nice digest reply Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM: Note: the quoted texts below are all liberally snipped... for full context see the thread... SNIP Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the threaded message reply path. Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong? SNIP At least on this bit I think there is a way to get the _effect_ you want, differently. This happens to be a reply to the lyx-users digest... the lyx-users digest is sent as a mime digest and with Thunderbird the user can simply double click on the message of interest (each message is listed as a mime attachment in the digest) which opens the message as a pretty much normal message and then hit reply. For some reason I had to take an extra Re: off the subject line, and I felt that SNIPing the message was reasonable, but this was the extent of the editing I HAD to do. for most mailman lists you can either select mime digests from the HTML interface or send `set digest mime` (with an authenticate line) to the list-request address see section 8 of http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+2.1+Members+Manual for some more details. Using this knowledge in another email client is an exorcise left to the reader and other list members. :) Lyx on Linux, with out header munging. :0 Boy we have stepped off topic. :) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter
nice digest reply Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM: Note: the quoted texts below are all liberally snipped... for full context see the thread... SNIP Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the threaded message reply path. Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong? SNIP At least on this bit I think there is a way to get the _effect_ you want, differently. This happens to be a reply to the lyx-users digest... the lyx-users digest is sent as a mime digest and with Thunderbird the user can simply double click on the message of interest (each message is listed as a mime attachment in the digest) which opens the message as a pretty much normal message and then hit reply. For some reason I had to take an extra Re: off the subject line, and I felt that SNIPing the message was reasonable, but this was the extent of the editing I HAD to do. for most mailman lists you can either select mime digests from the HTML interface or send `set digest mime` (with an authenticate line) to the list-request address see section 8 of http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+2.1+Members+Manual for some more details. Using this knowledge in another email client is an exorcise left to the reader and other list members. :) Lyx on Linux, with out header munging. :0 Boy we have stepped off topic. :) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter
nice digest reply Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM: Note: the quoted texts below are all liberally "snipped"... for full context see the thread... Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option that includes some kind of "header like" tag in each individual message of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the threaded message reply path. Like I said, it ain't gonna happen... But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong? At least on this bit I think there is a way to get the _effect_ you want, differently. This happens to be a reply to the lyx-users digest... the lyx-users digest is sent as a mime digest and with Thunderbird the user can simply double click on the message of interest (each message is listed as a mime attachment in the digest) which opens the message as a pretty much normal message and then hit reply. For some reason I had to take an extra Re: off the subject line, and I felt that SNIPing the message was reasonable, but this was the extent of the editing I HAD to do. for most mailman lists you can either select mime digests from the HTML interface or send `set digest mime` (with an authenticate line) to the list-request address see section 8 of http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+2.1+Members+Manual for some more details. Using this knowledge in another email client is an exorcise left to the reader and other list members. :) Lyx on Linux, with out header munging. :0 Boy we have stepped off topic. :) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter
Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread
Note: the quoted texts below are all liberally snipped...
for full context see the thread...
It would appear that on Sep 2, Delta moins did innocently start this thread:
there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people
this comes from the Lyx users list. It's very messing because
you cannot filter the mails efficiently.
I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list
system or if people that send mail should add something like
I've done for example manually.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Manveru did say:
Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
clients.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Helge Hafting did say:
Delta moins wrote:
Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
There are more who wants this, but also quite a few who don't want it. The
mail can be sorted by other headers than Subject.
Once the lyx mailing list arrives in a folder of its own anyway, having [LyX]
in every subject becomes somewhat irritating.
From my point of view that would becomes *_VERY_* irritating...
I subscribe to a list that does do this And I wish they didn't.
But like Helge: Who on Sep 9, also did say:
= This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect that.
= I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it, but I
= don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.
I don't ask them to change it... I just sigh a lot...
It would appear that on Sep 2, Murray Eisenberg did say:
I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily fixed
at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has, say,
[LyX] prepended to the subject.
Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the subscribers
to have to filter.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Christian Ridderström did say:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:
There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this
recurring discussion ;-)
I suspect that just as many mailing lists differ on this as do on the
Reply-To: munging issue somebody mentioned... Because there is such
a thing as free choice on operating systems, mail servers, and
mail clients, neither choice {for either issue} can possibly be a
one 'size' pleases all solution. And like top vs bottom posting
or the infamous vi vs emacs debates, these are all holy wars that
simply can NOT be forever put to rest...
EXCEPT that, at least in the case of Subject: tagging (IE [LyX]) then
there is the potential for it to become a non-issue. All it would take
is for the list server(s) to evolve to include a configuration choice
for tagged, or non tagged Subject: headers, just as there is usually a
choice for digest or non-digest...
Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message
of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
threaded message reply path.
Like I said, it ain't gonna happen...
But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?
sigh
It would appear that on Sep 2, Rich Shepard did say:
As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.
Hmmmnnn I myself use procmail (with only a minimal understanding of it)
I would be very interested in seeing your ~/.procmail.rc recipe for the
lyx mailing list...
And if perchance, you happen to know how I could use procmail to
strip such tags from the messages I get from lists that do add them,
would you kindly explain it to me???
Because if I knew how to do that I'd no longer mind it when some list
manager decides to add Subject: tags to a list I'm reading...
--
| ~^~ ~^~
| * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
| ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread
Note: the quoted texts below are all liberally snipped...
for full context see the thread...
It would appear that on Sep 2, Delta moins did innocently start this thread:
there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people
this comes from the Lyx users list. It's very messing because
you cannot filter the mails efficiently.
I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list
system or if people that send mail should add something like
I've done for example manually.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Manveru did say:
Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
clients.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Helge Hafting did say:
Delta moins wrote:
Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
There are more who wants this, but also quite a few who don't want it. The
mail can be sorted by other headers than Subject.
Once the lyx mailing list arrives in a folder of its own anyway, having [LyX]
in every subject becomes somewhat irritating.
From my point of view that would becomes *_VERY_* irritating...
I subscribe to a list that does do this And I wish they didn't.
But like Helge: Who on Sep 9, also did say:
= This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect that.
= I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it, but I
= don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.
I don't ask them to change it... I just sigh a lot...
It would appear that on Sep 2, Murray Eisenberg did say:
I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily fixed
at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has, say,
[LyX] prepended to the subject.
Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the subscribers
to have to filter.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Christian Ridderström did say:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:
There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this
recurring discussion ;-)
I suspect that just as many mailing lists differ on this as do on the
Reply-To: munging issue somebody mentioned... Because there is such
a thing as free choice on operating systems, mail servers, and
mail clients, neither choice {for either issue} can possibly be a
one 'size' pleases all solution. And like top vs bottom posting
or the infamous vi vs emacs debates, these are all holy wars that
simply can NOT be forever put to rest...
EXCEPT that, at least in the case of Subject: tagging (IE [LyX]) then
there is the potential for it to become a non-issue. All it would take
is for the list server(s) to evolve to include a configuration choice
for tagged, or non tagged Subject: headers, just as there is usually a
choice for digest or non-digest...
Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
that includes some kind of header like tag in each individual message
of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
threaded message reply path.
Like I said, it ain't gonna happen...
But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?
sigh
It would appear that on Sep 2, Rich Shepard did say:
As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.
Hmmmnnn I myself use procmail (with only a minimal understanding of it)
I would be very interested in seeing your ~/.procmail.rc recipe for the
lyx mailing list...
And if perchance, you happen to know how I could use procmail to
strip such tags from the messages I get from lists that do add them,
would you kindly explain it to me???
Because if I knew how to do that I'd no longer mind it when some list
manager decides to add Subject: tags to a list I'm reading...
--
| ~^~ ~^~
| * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
| ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: the [[Lyx] explicit mail subject] thread
Note: the quoted texts below are all liberally "snipped"...
for full context see the thread...
It would appear that on Sep 2, Delta moins did innocently start this thread:
> there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people
> "this comes from the Lyx users list". It's very messing because
> you cannot filter the mails efficiently.
> I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list
> system or if people that send mail should add something like
> I've done for example manually.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Manveru did say:
> Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
> mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
> clients.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Helge Hafting did say:
> Delta moins wrote:
> > Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
> > If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
>
> There are more who wants this, but also quite a few who don't want it. The
> mail can be sorted by other headers than "Subject".
> Once the lyx mailing list arrives in a folder of its own anyway, having "[LyX]
> in every subject becomes somewhat irritating.
>From my point of view that would "becomes *_VERY_* irritating"...
I subscribe to a list that does do this And I wish they didn't.
But like Helge: Who on Sep 9, also did say:
=> This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect that.
=> I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it, but I
=> don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.
I don't ask them to change it... I just sigh a lot...
It would appear that on Sep 2, Murray Eisenberg did say:
> I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily fixed
> at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has, say,
> "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.
>
> Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the subscribers
> to have to filter.
It would appear that on Sep 2, Christian Ridderström did say:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:
> > There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
> > people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
> > poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
>
> I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this
> recurring discussion ;-)
I suspect that just as many mailing lists differ on this as do on the
"Reply-To:" munging issue somebody mentioned... Because there is such
a thing as free choice on operating systems, mail servers, and
mail clients, neither choice {for either issue} can possibly be a
"one 'size' pleases all" solution. And like "top vs bottom" posting
or the infamous "vi vs emacs" debates, these are all "holy wars" that
simply can NOT be forever put to rest...
EXCEPT that, at least in the case of "Subject: tagging" (IE [LyX]) then
there is the potential for it to become a non-issue. All it would take
is for the list server(s) to evolve to include a configuration choice
for tagged, or non tagged Subject: headers, just as there is usually a
choice for digest or non-digest...
Personally I don't think that's ever going to happen any more than I
think anybody will ever offer a list server with a smart digest option
that includes some kind of "header like" tag in each individual message
of the digest that can be used by a digest only subscriber to request a
personal resend of just those individual messages they wanted to reply
to. Which would provide a way for digest users to avoid messing with the
threaded message reply path.
Like I said, it ain't gonna happen...
But wouldn't it be nice if I was wrong?
It would appear that on Sep 2, Rich Shepard did say:
> As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
> subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
> procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.
Hmmmnnn I myself use procmail (with only a minimal understanding of it)
I would be very interested in seeing your ~/.procmail.rc recipe for the
lyx mailing list...
And if perchance, you happen to know how I could use procmail to
strip such tags from the messages I get from lists that do add them,
would you kindly explain it to me???
Because if I knew how to do that I'd no longer mind it when some list
manager decides to add Subject: tags to a list I'm reading...
--
| ~^~ ~^~
| <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
| ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/ <>
