Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John Gardner]

...Must be doing something awesome...

No doubt.  The King's English & it's Gringo equivalent have

more than a few booby traps - "bugger" comes to mind.

AFAIK surfers don't get the blame for that one...   :)

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ken Pettit  wrote:

> Actually when I lived in China back in 2007 - 2009, I had to use a USA based
> proxy server to access the Bitchin100 site because it was being blocked by
> the country's universal firewall.
>
> Ken
>

Sheesh. It's not a bad word! Bitchin is surfer slang for "cool."

But I'm honored to have been blocked by the Great Firewall of China.
Must be doing something awesome...

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Ken Pettit]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:26 PM, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

>
> Thanks! I try to keep our hobby as clean as possible.
>
> Ken's NADSBox notwithstanding.
>

Guilty as charged.  :)

Actually when I lived in China back in 2007 - 2009, I had to use a USA
based proxy server to access the Bitchin100 site because it was being
blocked by the country's universal firewall.

Ken

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Mark Wickens  wrote:
> I'm using Talk Talk Business in the UK - they have a Worksafe URL filter
> mechanism to block sites based on categories.
> For some reason bitchin100.com is Pornographic - personally I don't see it
> ;)
>
> I've emailed their technical support department to try and get the site
> de-listed.
>
>

Thanks! I try to keep our hobby as clean as possible.

Ken's NADSBox notwithstanding.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mark Wickens  wrote:

> Great work on this - it's certainly saved me some time moving forward!
>

Thanks, it was actually a group effort, a few members contributed to
make the mapping (I think their names are in the wiki).

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John Martin]

Maybe the website owner can change Bitchin to something more appropriate.
Having the word bitch as part of a website name is lack of taste. Maybe
some ISP do not or will not access this website page. I do not know. Just
my opinion only.


From: John Gardner 
To: Model 100 Discussion 
Subject:

"bitchin" was not an acceptable usage in polite society in the UK /

Commonwealth when I was a young man - Which was a long time

ago, sad to say...  :)   Mind you, I'm not complaining, but apparently

someone is, or was...

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mark Wickens]

I've made a spreadsheet of the Unicode character conversions contained 
within the HTERM source file as a basis for what I need:


http://wickensonline.co.uk/static/files/tandy/Tandy%20Model%20T%20Code%20to%20Unicode%20v1.1.pdf

Great work on this - it's certainly saved me some time moving forward!

Kind regards, Mark.

On 10/11/15 15:02, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens > wrote:


Hi Russ

I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to find
the most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm already
some way down the road.



Isn't that the part that's already done?

We made that mapping some time back for HTERM.

Only concern is that the 102/200 is different than the 100.

But I know there's a complete mapping for the 100 at least in HTERM.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John Gardner]

"bitchin" iwas not an acceptable usage in polite society in the UK /

Commonwealth when I was a young man - Which was a long time

ago, sad to say...  :)   Mind you, I'm not complaining, but apparently

someone is, or was...

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mark Wickens]

I'm using Talk Talk Business in the UK - they have a Worksafe URL filter 
mechanism to block sites based on categories.
For some reason bitchin100.com is Pornographic - personally I don't see 
it ;)


I've emailed their technical support department to try and get the site 
de-listed.


Regards, Mark.

On 10/11/15 17:05, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:

That's weird. What search engine?

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens > wrote:


Great thank you - wasn't being thick, my ISP was blocking
bitchin100.com , so it never came up in a
search.

Regards, Mark.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John R. Hogerhuis]

That's weird. What search engine?

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens 
wrote:

> Great thank you - wasn't being thick, my ISP was blocking bitchin100.com,
> so it never came up in a search.
>
> Regards, Mark.
>
>
>

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mark Wickens]

Found it thanks - it wasn't in the source code when I did a git clone 
but you can see the table in the file:


http://bitchin100.com/files/m10x/HTERM.lst


On 10/11/15 16:38, Mike Stein wrote:

http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTERM

- Original Message -
*From:* Mark Wickens 
*To:* Model 100 Discussion 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after
PC file transfer...

I've had a quick look on t'internet for hterm but not found
anything approaching a mapping file or source code.
Do you have something handy you could give me?

Many thanks, Mark

On 10/11/15 15:02, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens
 wrote:

Hi Russ

I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to
find the most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm
already some way down the road.



Isn't that the part that's already done?

We made that mapping some time back for HTERM.

Only concern is that the 102/200 is different than the 100.

But I know there's a complete mapping for the 100 at least in HTERM.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mark Wickens]

Great thank you - wasn't being thick, my ISP was blocking 
bitchin100.com, so it never came up in a search.


Regards, Mark.

On 10/11/15 16:38, Mike Stein wrote:

http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTERM

- Original Message -
*From:* Mark Wickens 
*To:* Model 100 Discussion 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after
PC file transfer...

I've had a quick look on t'internet for hterm but not found
anything approaching a mapping file or source code.
Do you have something handy you could give me?

Many thanks, Mark

On 10/11/15 15:02, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens
 wrote:

Hi Russ

I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to
find the most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm
already some way down the road.



Isn't that the part that's already done?

We made that mapping some time back for HTERM.

Only concern is that the 102/200 is different than the 100.

But I know there's a complete mapping for the 100 at least in HTERM.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mike Stein]

http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTERM
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Wickens 
  To: Model 100 Discussion 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file 
transfer...


  I've had a quick look on t'internet for hterm but not found anything 
approaching a mapping file or source code.
  Do you have something handy you could give me?

  Many thanks, Mark


  On 10/11/15 15:02, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens  
wrote:

  Hi Russ

  I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to find the 
most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm already some way down the 
road.





Isn't that the part that's already done?


We made that mapping some time back for HTERM. 


Only concern is that the 102/200 is different than the 100. 


But I know there's a complete mapping for the 100 at least in HTERM. 


-- John.  

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mark Wickens]

I've had a quick look on t'internet for hterm but not found anything 
approaching a mapping file or source code.

Do you have something handy you could give me?

Many thanks, Mark

On 10/11/15 15:02, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens > wrote:


Hi Russ

I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to find
the most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm already
some way down the road.



Isn't that the part that's already done?

We made that mapping some time back for HTERM.

Only concern is that the 102/200 is different than the 100.

But I know there's a complete mapping for the 100 at least in HTERM.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mark Wickens]

Hi John

Thanks for the info - I'll look into HTERM and see what I can re-use.

Mark.

On 10/11/15 15:02, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens > wrote:


Hi Russ

I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to find
the most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm already
some way down the road.



Isn't that the part that's already done?

We made that mapping some time back for HTERM.

Only concern is that the 102/200 is different than the 100.

But I know there's a complete mapping for the 100 at least in HTERM.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Mark Wickens 
wrote:

> Hi Russ
>
> I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to find the
> most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm already some way down
> the road.
>
>
>
Isn't that the part that's already done?

We made that mapping some time back for HTERM.

Only concern is that the 102/200 is different than the 100.

But I know there's a complete mapping for the 100 at least in HTERM.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Conversion of Tandy Model T characters after PC file transfer...

[Mark Wickens]

Hi Russ

I've made a start - the biggest time waster for me will be to find the 
most suitable equivalent Unicode character, but I'm already some way 
down the road.


The actual conversion process I have code for already - and in fact the 
mechanism I use is really quite neat (for me anyway)! The text editor I 
use, jEdit, is able to open files in many character sets. What I do is 
write a new transliteration class that is embedded in the Java virtual 
machine that runs the editor and - hey presto - I am able to open files 
from the Tandy and they look fine and can then be saved in UTF-8 format.


I also have some very cool ideas about wireless connectivity that I'm 
hoping to explore. I've ordered some parts, if it goes anywhere I'll be 
sure to share the results.


Regards, Mark.

On 08/11/15 23:06, Russ Oechslin wrote:

IF you're serious and patient about this, we might be able to help.

Thirty years ago we needed to translate TRS-ASCII code to standard 
ASCII to post on bulletin boards for the newsrooms. But it will take 
some time to find that stuff.


As I recall it amounts to a tedious series of IF - THEN statements 
(one for every character) to filter the TRS characters and output it 
(print to a file) to the standard (.txt file) which can be opened in 
most any DOS/Windows edit program.


Let me know -- offline if necessary


 At 04:41 PM 11/8/2015, you wrote:

HiÂ

I noticed that there are some partial unicode mappings for the 
Tandy-specific characters on the following page: 
http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Unicode_Mappings 
Â


I think it would be quite nice to be able to transfer files to a PC 
and have (as close as possible) the full Tandy character preserved 
via conversion to Unicode. Anyone like to second this?


As it happens I have done this sort of work before when converting 
legacy APL programming files into Unicode, so it would be a fairly 
straightforward problem for me to solve in this instance.


On a related note having checked the 'print' library page on the 
club100 site http://www.club100.org/library/libprt.html 
 I couldn't see any 
applications that attempted to allowed the fonts to be printed - was 
there a specific printer model Tandy supplied that was able to print 
the additional non-ascii characters?


I've had renewed interest in this and other Tandy Model T topics 
today as I fixed the broken keys on my Model 200 (by opening up the 
individual key switches and cleaning the internals).


Kind regards, Mark



Russ Oechslin