Re: [M100] TPDD1 help?
righto - ran the multimeter across the cable. Those pinouts don't seem to match anything i found, but there does seem to be some resistors or something inline on a couple of wires which give odd readings to boot. *Shrug* Short of finding a replacement cable, i don't like my chances of trying to make another cable and then spending days chasing my tail around on the chance its not the cable anyway. I think I'll just but the M102 and its drive to bed for a while. Thanks for everyone's help however. On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > There was a schematic of the original cable somewhere but i can't find it. > You can try this one: > ftp://salsa.net/pub/M100SIG/Lib-09-PERIFERALS/TPDD.DO > The real cable has more active components in it than this, but the guy > claims it worked. > > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Mr Lurch <lu...@darksideofthepants.net> > wrote: > >> I actually woke up this morning thinking "I wonder if its just the cable?" >> Is there a wiring diagram for the cable anywhere? >> >> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 3:12 AM, Fugu ME100 <b4me...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> The AO error means the COM port is already open for use so the IPL.BA >>> will fail when it tries to use it. Not sure why it should be open before >>> the IPL. I had similar sorts of issues with my old TPDD that I bought of >>> the well know auction site. It appeared never to have been used or perhaps >>> used once or twice. It came with everything including the Util Disk. I >>> did overhaul it with a new belt and made sure the internals were clean >>> before using it. >>> >>> I went through the following steps with my TPDD: >>> >>> 1) Cold Reset of the T102 to clear out the memory. Then try the IPL.BA >>> see if it functions any differently. It had been used to do other things >>> before I bought the drive. >>> >>> 2) Verify the Serial port on the T102 is OK. I did this on mine by >>> connecting it to a PC via a USB-Serial cable and running Coolterm (or other >>> serial program). If you then run the IPL.ba you should see the S1 record >>> appear on the Coolterm screen. Coolterm also shows the status of the CTS >>> and DSR lines to verify they work, they are needed by the TPDD drive. If >>> that checks out OK then the T102 is probably fine. You can also just open >>> TERM on the T102 and type text which should appear on Coolterm and >>> vice-versa. Mine verified OK in this step…. >>> >>> 3) Test out the cable by checking pin to pin connectivity and that there >>> a no bad lines. Turned out this was my problem and I suspect the reason why >>> the unit appeared never to have been used. One of the pins was >>> intermittent. After I fixed this problem everything seemed to work. >>> >>> 4) This step is new and I did not try it but appears useful in this >>> context to verify the TPDD is working. It should/might be possible to use >>> this program on a PC http://www.club100.org/memf >>> iles/index.php?===Kurt%20McCullum/ >>> TPDD%20Client to read the disk on the TPDD to make sure the serial >>> port on the drive is working it will also verify the cable is OK. The >>> program states for use with TPDD2 not sure if it will work with the TPDD >>> drive. It is not my program but might be worth looking at to verify the >>> drive is working. >>> >>> After I had Coolterm working I started to use mcomm and did not use the >>> TPDD again once I had seen Floppy.co :) >>> >>> From: M100 <m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> on behalf of Mr Lurch < >>> lu...@darksideofthepants.net> >>> Reply-To: <m...@bitchin100.com> >>> Date: Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 12:17 AM >>> To: <m...@bitchin100.com> >>> Subject: [M100] TPDD1 help? >>> >>> Evening all, >>> So I managed to get a copy of the proper utility disk (thanks Gordon!) - >>> but still no joy. >>> I've created the IPL.BA >>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FIPL.BA=02%7C01%7C%7C2bfd8d13b48542bb845a08d549ddacca%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636496138788243218=5Og33kHo9JOwWZ6tP75td8g84nRVo9nYm%2Bck9pkRgv4%3D=0> >>> file (and triple checked my inputs). Running it does the following >>> (everytime) >>> First run: AO error. >>> Go back to Menu. >>> Run it again. Screen goes blank, disk reads for a split second, then >>> nothing. >>> Thats all she wrote. >>> >>> Initially, on the second run, the disk would read for a split second and >>> then the battery LED would flash continuously. Like I hadnt set the DIP >>> switches to On (which I had). I gave the switch bank a spray with contact >>> cleaner and moved them back and forth a bunch of times. That *seemed* to >>> fix the flashing battery light, and thats where im at now. >>> >>> Not sure if this is related, but if I switch on the drive first, and >>> then the M102, the battery light flashes continuously until I switch off/on >>> the drive again. >>> >>> - Jase >>> >>> >> >
Re: [M100] TPDD1 help?
I actually woke up this morning thinking "I wonder if its just the cable?" Is there a wiring diagram for the cable anywhere? On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 3:12 AM, Fugu ME100 <b4me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > The AO error means the COM port is already open for use so the IPL.BA > will fail when it tries to use it. Not sure why it should be open before > the IPL. I had similar sorts of issues with my old TPDD that I bought of > the well know auction site. It appeared never to have been used or perhaps > used once or twice. It came with everything including the Util Disk. I > did overhaul it with a new belt and made sure the internals were clean > before using it. > > I went through the following steps with my TPDD: > > 1) Cold Reset of the T102 to clear out the memory. Then try the IPL.BA > see if it functions any differently. It had been used to do other things > before I bought the drive. > > 2) Verify the Serial port on the T102 is OK. I did this on mine by > connecting it to a PC via a USB-Serial cable and running Coolterm (or other > serial program). If you then run the IPL.ba you should see the S1 record > appear on the Coolterm screen. Coolterm also shows the status of the CTS > and DSR lines to verify they work, they are needed by the TPDD drive. If > that checks out OK then the T102 is probably fine. You can also just open > TERM on the T102 and type text which should appear on Coolterm and > vice-versa. Mine verified OK in this step…. > > 3) Test out the cable by checking pin to pin connectivity and that there a > no bad lines. Turned out this was my problem and I suspect the reason why > the unit appeared never to have been used. One of the pins was > intermittent. After I fixed this problem everything seemed to work. > > 4) This step is new and I did not try it but appears useful in this > context to verify the TPDD is working. It should/might be possible to use > this program on a PC http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?= > ==Kurt%20McCullum/TPDD%20Client to read the disk on the > TPDD to make sure the serial port on the drive is working it will also > verify the cable is OK. The program states for use with TPDD2 not sure if > it will work with the TPDD drive. It is not my program but might be worth > looking at to verify the drive is working. > > After I had Coolterm working I started to use mcomm and did not use the > TPDD again once I had seen Floppy.co :) > > From: M100 <m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> on behalf of Mr Lurch < > lu...@darksideofthepants.net> > Reply-To: <m...@bitchin100.com> > Date: Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 12:17 AM > To: <m...@bitchin100.com> > Subject: [M100] TPDD1 help? > > Evening all, > So I managed to get a copy of the proper utility disk (thanks Gordon!) - > but still no joy. > I've created the IPL.BA > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FIPL.BA=02%7C01%7C%7C2bfd8d13b48542bb845a08d549ddacca%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636496138788243218=5Og33kHo9JOwWZ6tP75td8g84nRVo9nYm%2Bck9pkRgv4%3D=0> > file (and triple checked my inputs). Running it does the following > (everytime) > First run: AO error. > Go back to Menu. > Run it again. Screen goes blank, disk reads for a split second, then > nothing. > Thats all she wrote. > > Initially, on the second run, the disk would read for a split second and > then the battery LED would flash continuously. Like I hadnt set the DIP > switches to On (which I had). I gave the switch bank a spray with contact > cleaner and moved them back and forth a bunch of times. That *seemed* to > fix the flashing battery light, and thats where im at now. > > Not sure if this is related, but if I switch on the drive first, and then > the M102, the battery light flashes continuously until I switch off/on the > drive again. > > - Jase > >
Re: [M100] TPDD1 help?
Yup. Done all of that. The disk is a genuine Tandy one and the write protect is set correctly. The belt has also been done as well as checking and lubricating the head drive mechanism. Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Dec 2017, at 8:29 pm, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > A few likely and easy first things to verify are: > > Make sure you have a good drive belt. If you or someone didn't actually buy a > new FRW8.5 belt, then it needs one. > > Make sure the disk is a DD type (720k), not HD (1.44M). DD have only one hole > in one corner. HD have two holes in two corners. > > Make sure the disk write-protect window is open. > > -- > bkw > >> On Dec 23, 2017 3:17 AM, "Mr Lurch" <lu...@darksideofthepants.net> wrote: >> Evening all, >> So I managed to get a copy of the proper utility disk (thanks Gordon!) - but >> still no joy. >> I've created the IPL.BA file (and triple checked my inputs). Running it does >> the following (everytime) >> First run: AO error. >> Go back to Menu. >> Run it again. Screen goes blank, disk reads for a split second, then nothing. >> Thats all she wrote. >> >> Initially, on the second run, the disk would read for a split second and >> then the battery LED would flash continuously. Like I hadnt set the DIP >> switches to On (which I had). I gave the switch bank a spray with contact >> cleaner and moved them back and forth a bunch of times. That *seemed* to fix >> the flashing battery light, and thats where im at now. >> >> Not sure if this is related, but if I switch on the drive first, and then >> the M102, the battery light flashes continuously until I switch off/on the >> drive again. >> >> - Jase
[M100] TPDD1 help?
Evening all, So I managed to get a copy of the proper utility disk (thanks Gordon!) - but still no joy. I've created the IPL.BA file (and triple checked my inputs). Running it does the following (everytime) First run: AO error. Go back to Menu. Run it again. Screen goes blank, disk reads for a split second, then nothing. Thats all she wrote. Initially, on the second run, the disk would read for a split second and then the battery LED would flash continuously. Like I hadnt set the DIP switches to On (which I had). I gave the switch bank a spray with contact cleaner and moved them back and forth a bunch of times. That *seemed* to fix the flashing battery light, and thats where im at now. Not sure if this is related, but if I switch on the drive first, and then the M102, the battery light flashes continuously until I switch off/on the drive again. - Jase
Re: [M100] Hello and a TPDD Question
Gordon, that would be terrific. I know Duane is about to drop one in the post, but although not knowing where it is coming from (OS I assume) it sounds like its going to take a looong time to get here. - Jase lu...@dsotp.net -- Original Message -- From: "gotoole" <goto...@tpg.com.au> To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: 4/12/2017 4:43:34 PM Subject: Re: [M100] Hello and a TPDD Question I am also located in Canberra and can help you out with a disk if required Regards Gordon Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Lurch <lu...@darksideofthepants.net> Date: 2/12/17 8:59 pm (GMT+10:00) To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com Subject: [M100] Hello and a TPDD Question Firstly - G'Day from Canberra. I've recently added a beautiful old M102 to my collection. Complete with a matching printer and a TPDD. However (I'm assuming at least) because the machine was off for so long, the memory has reset itself back to original and wiped the TPDD utility. I also get the impression that the required Disk to reload it can only be duplicated from another copy, on a machine with a TPDD? (Mines the first model, by the way) Cheers, Jase.
[M100] Hello and a TPDD Question
Firstly - G'Day from Canberra. I've recently added a beautiful old M102 to my collection. Complete with a matching printer and a TPDD. However (I'm assuming at least) because the machine was off for so long, the memory has reset itself back to original and wiped the TPDD utility. I also get the impression that the required Disk to reload it can only be duplicated from another copy, on a machine with a TPDD? (Mines the first model, by the way) Cheers, Jase.
