Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica
Not likely a tip, just a memory: In the “old days” back when I was using the M100 in my newspaper business, the MacPlus and Mac Se printer cable to the Apple pin printer, which we used to print address labels to mail the paper, was a null modem cable. We simply reversed the cable — unplugged it from the printer and plugged it into the M100, leaving the Mac end plugged in. We used MockTerminal on the Mac and the Comm interface on the M100 to send text files back and forth. It was slick and easy. On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, John! I'm working on a couple of things for follow-up: Connecting via TELCOM and a null modem cable to various computers (PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi) as a terminal, to do file transfer, etc. Possibly doing some sort of Bluetooth-to-serial hack to connect to another system in similar fashion as above. Doing some dial-up (I need to order or create a modem cable, as the system I picked up came with just a printer ribbon cable with no termination) Spending a day doing my job from the Model 100. (Writing an article from the field, filing it, communicating with co-workers via IRC, checking email via some sort of gateway?). If anyone has any tips to share on any of these, I'd appreciate the help (and will properly credit it). :D Sean Gallagher Information Technology Editor Ars Technica E-mail: sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com Twitter:@thepacketrat phone: 312-281-5123 http://arstechnica.com/author/sean-gallagher/ PGP Public Key can be found at : https://arstechnica.com/ars-staff-pgp-keys/ On 7/20/15, 4:49 PM, M100 on behalf of John R. Hogerhuis m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com on behalf of jho...@pobox.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/back-to-the-future-the-trs-80-model-100/ I noticed that author also just joined the list... welcome Sean! -- John.
Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica
Sean, I've used a Raspberry Pi with my 102, 200, and Commodore 64/Turbo232 cartridge. I just used a standard USB to serial adapter on the Pi, ran Linux, configured my Pi using this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71t=48683 (last post) and was able to log in over all 3. Works very well. BTW, long-time Ars reader here. Awesome series on Prenda Law. Mitch On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:55 AM Kurt McCullum kurt.mccul...@att.net wrote: Sean, If your using TELCOM, you will need a 9-25 null modem cable. The one listed below is a full null cable meaning the RTS/CTS and DTR/DSR pins are not looped back. Enjoy tinkering. 7 Wire Cable PC--Model-T DB9-DB25 === 2--2 3--3 4--6 5--GND--7 6--20 7--5 8--4 Kurt On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:38 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, John! I'm working on a couple of things for follow-up: Connecting via TELCOM and a null modem cable to various computers (PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi) as a terminal, to do file transfer, etc. Possibly doing some sort of Bluetooth-to-serial hack to connect to another system in similar fashion as above. Doing some dial-up (I need to order or create a modem cable, as the system I picked up came with just a printer ribbon cable with no termination) Spending a day doing my job from the Model 100. (Writing an article from the field, filing it, communicating with co-workers via IRC, checking email via some sort of gateway?). If anyone has any tips to share on any of these, I'd appreciate the help (and will properly credit it). :D Sean Gallagher Information Technology Editor Ars Technica E-mail: sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com Twitter:@thepacketrat phone: 312-281-5123 http://arstechnica.com/author/sean-gallagher/ PGP Public Key can be found at : https://arstechnica.com/ars-staff-pgp-keys/ On 7/20/15, 4:49 PM, M100 on behalf of John R. Hogerhuis m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com on behalf of jho...@pobox.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/back-to-the-future-the-trs-80-model-100/ I noticed that author also just joined the list... welcome Sean! -- John.
Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica
What software would you recommend on the PC side for that? I run Linux. On 21 July 2015 at 22:22, Kurt McCullum kurt.mccul...@att.net wrote: Sadly it's true that a full null cable that is wired correctly is hard to find. I keep looking for a source and come up empty. Most places tie the RTS/CTS lines to ground. There is always the pre-made usb to db25 on ebay. Since a real serial port on a computer is getting harder to come by this is a excelent choice. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-USB-DB-25-Male-Serial-RS-232-Null-Modem-with-Full-Handshake-Cable-/151495441948?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2345d4fe1c But I believe the housing is too thick for a model 100 and would require a 25pin gender changer trick to fit. It fits the 102 and the 200 with no trouble. On 7/21/2015 9:39 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: I'm sure that Kurt' instructions are the best available, but they assume that you are going to wire up your own cable, definitely not for beginners. The serial port on the Model 100 is 25 pins so as well as a null modem cable you will need a 9 pin to 25 pin adaptor. On 21 July 2015 at 12:32, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, Dave. I'll give that a shot. From: M100 on behalf of David Flippo Reply-To: Model 100 Discussion Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 2:56 PM To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica I have used the three wire configuration RX, TX, Gnd, and have had no problems (RX/Tx reversed on other end) Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Hey, Kurt- Will a standard null modem work for terminal mode in TELCOM, or do I need to go with the pinout below? I see that's the cable used for the PC link… From: M100 on behalf of Kurt McCullum Reply-To: Model 100 Discussion Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 11:52 AM To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica Sean, If your using TELCOM, you will need a 9-25 null modem cable. The one listed below is a full null cable meaning the RTS/CTS and DTR/DSR pins are not looped back. Enjoy tinkering. 7 Wire Cable PC--Model-T DB9-DB25 === 2--2 3--3 4--6 5--GND--7 6--20 7--5 8--4 Kurt On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:38 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, John! I'm working on a couple of things for follow-up: Connecting via TELCOM and a null modem cable to various computers (PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi) as a terminal, to do file transfer, etc. Possibly doing some sort of Bluetooth-to-serial hack to connect to another system in similar fashion as above. Doing some dial-up (I need to order or create a modem cable, as the system I picked up came with just a printer ribbon cable with no termination) Spending a day doing my job from the Model 100. (Writing an article from the field, filing it, communicating with co-workers via IRC, checking email via some sort of gateway?). If anyone has any tips to share on any of these, I'd appreciate the help (and will properly credit it). :D Sean Gallagher Information Technology Editor Ars Technica E-mail: sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com Twitter:@thepacketrat phone: 312-281-5123 http://arstechnica.com/author/sean-gallagher/ PGP Public Key can be found at : https://arstechnica.com/ars-staff-pgp-keys/ On 7/20/15, 4:49 PM, M100 on behalf of John R. Hogerhuis m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com on behalf of jho...@pobox.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/back-to-the-future-the-trs-80-model-100/ I noticed that author also just joined the list... welcome Sean! -- John.
Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica
I think John has a version of LaddieAlpha for Linux but I'll defer that to him since my information is specific to Windows. Kurt On 7/21/2015 10:26 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: What software would you recommend on the PC side for that? I run Linux. On 21 July 2015 at 22:22, Kurt McCullum kurt.mccul...@att.net wrote: Sadly it's true that a full null cable that is wired correctly is hard to find. I keep looking for a source and come up empty. Most places tie the RTS/CTS lines to ground. There is always the pre-made usb to db25 on ebay. Since a real serial port on a computer is getting harder to come by this is a excelent choice. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-USB-DB-25-Male-Serial-RS-232-Null-Modem-with-Full-Handshake-Cable-/151495441948?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2345d4fe1c But I believe the housing is too thick for a model 100 and would require a 25pin gender changer trick to fit. It fits the 102 and the 200 with no trouble. On 7/21/2015 9:39 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: I'm sure that Kurt' instructions are the best available, but they assume that you are going to wire up your own cable, definitely not for beginners. The serial port on the Model 100 is 25 pins so as well as a null modem cable you will need a 9 pin to 25 pin adaptor. On 21 July 2015 at 12:32, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, Dave. I'll give that a shot. From: M100 on behalf of David Flippo Reply-To: Model 100 Discussion Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 2:56 PM To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica I have used the three wire configuration RX, TX, Gnd, and have had no problems (RX/Tx reversed on other end) Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Hey, Kurt- Will a standard null modem work for terminal mode in TELCOM, or do I need to go with the pinout below? I see that's the cable used for the PC link… From: M100 on behalf of Kurt McCullum Reply-To: Model 100 Discussion Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 11:52 AM To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica Sean, If your using TELCOM, you will need a 9-25 null modem cable. The one listed below is a full null cable meaning the RTS/CTS and DTR/DSR pins are not looped back. Enjoy tinkering. 7 Wire Cable PC--Model-T DB9-DB25 === 2--2 3--3 4--6 5--GND--7 6--20 7--5 8--4 Kurt On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:38 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, John! I'm working on a couple of things for follow-up: Connecting via TELCOM and a null modem cable to various computers (PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi) as a terminal, to do file transfer, etc. Possibly doing some sort of Bluetooth-to-serial hack to connect to another system in similar fashion as above. Doing some dial-up (I need to order or create a modem cable, as the system I picked up came with just a printer ribbon cable with no termination) Spending a day doing my job from the Model 100. (Writing an article from the field, filing it, communicating with co-workers via IRC, checking email via some sort of gateway?). If anyone has any tips to share on any of these, I'd appreciate the help (and will properly credit it). :D Sean Gallagher Information Technology Editor Ars Technica E-mail: sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com Twitter:@thepacketrat phone: 312-281-5123 http://arstechnica.com/author/sean-gallagher/ PGP Public Key can be found at : https://arstechnica.com/ars-staff-pgp-keys/ On 7/20/15, 4:49 PM, M100 on behalf of John R. Hogerhuis m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com on behalf of jho...@pobox.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/back-to-the-future-the-trs-80-model-100/ I noticed that author also just joined the list... welcome Sean! -- John.
Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica
I'm sure that Kurt' instructions are the best available, but they assume that you are going to wire up your own cable, definitely not for beginners. The serial port on the Model 100 is 25 pins so as well as a null modem cable you will need a 9 pin to 25 pin adaptor. On 21 July 2015 at 12:32, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, Dave. I'll give that a shot. From: M100 on behalf of David Flippo Reply-To: Model 100 Discussion Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 2:56 PM To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica I have used the three wire configuration RX, TX, Gnd, and have had no problems (RX/Tx reversed on other end) Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Hey, Kurt- Will a standard null modem work for terminal mode in TELCOM, or do I need to go with the pinout below? I see that's the cable used for the PC link… From: M100 on behalf of Kurt McCullum Reply-To: Model 100 Discussion Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 11:52 AM To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica Sean, If your using TELCOM, you will need a 9-25 null modem cable. The one listed below is a full null cable meaning the RTS/CTS and DTR/DSR pins are not looped back. Enjoy tinkering. 7 Wire Cable PC--Model-T DB9-DB25 === 2--2 3--3 4--6 5--GND--7 6--20 7--5 8--4 Kurt On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:38 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, John! I'm working on a couple of things for follow-up: Connecting via TELCOM and a null modem cable to various computers (PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi) as a terminal, to do file transfer, etc. Possibly doing some sort of Bluetooth-to-serial hack to connect to another system in similar fashion as above. Doing some dial-up (I need to order or create a modem cable, as the system I picked up came with just a printer ribbon cable with no termination) Spending a day doing my job from the Model 100. (Writing an article from the field, filing it, communicating with co-workers via IRC, checking email via some sort of gateway?). If anyone has any tips to share on any of these, I'd appreciate the help (and will properly credit it). :D Sean Gallagher Information Technology Editor Ars Technica E-mail: sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com Twitter:@thepacketrat phone: 312-281-5123 http://arstechnica.com/author/sean-gallagher/ PGP Public Key can be found at : https://arstechnica.com/ars-staff-pgp-keys/ On 7/20/15, 4:49 PM, M100 on behalf of John R. Hogerhuis m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com on behalf of jho...@pobox.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/back-to-the-future-the-trs-80-model-100/ I noticed that author also just joined the list... welcome Sean! -- John.
Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica
Sean, A three wire should work for PC to TELCOM using some terminal software. A model 200 has a quirk that requires RTS/CTS to be tied together. I sent that pinout because it works with simple terminal application sending, it also works with TPDD clients like LaddieAlpha and it also works with mComm which is a blend of TPDD and raw TELCOM transfers. I think mComm is the most picky about the cable being complete since it uses DTR to handle some of the file transfers. But if you don't have TS-DOS on the machine it may be your easiest solution to transfer data. A standard Null modem cable should work but check the pinouts. Kurt On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:33 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Hey, Kurt- Will a standard null modem work for terminal mode in TELCOM, or do I need to go with the pinout below? I see that's the cable used for the PC link… From: M100 on behalf of Kurt McCullum Reply-To: Model 100 Discussion Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 11:52 AM To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica Sean, If your using TELCOM, you will need a 9-25 null modem cable. The one listed below is a full null cable meaning the RTS/CTS and DTR/DSR pins are not looped back. Enjoy tinkering. 7 Wire Cable PC--Model-T DB9-DB25 === 2--2 3--3 4--6 5--GND--7 6--20 7--5 8--4 Kurt On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:38 AM, Sean Gallagher sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com wrote: Thanks, John! I'm working on a couple of things for follow-up: Connecting via TELCOM and a null modem cable to various computers (PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi) as a terminal, to do file transfer, etc. Possibly doing some sort of Bluetooth-to-serial hack to connect to another system in similar fashion as above. Doing some dial-up (I need to order or create a modem cable, as the system I picked up came with just a printer ribbon cable with no termination) Spending a day doing my job from the Model 100. (Writing an article from the field, filing it, communicating with co-workers via IRC, checking email via some sort of gateway?). If anyone has any tips to share on any of these, I'd appreciate the help (and will properly credit it). :D Sean Gallagher Information Technology Editor Ars Technica E-mail: sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com Twitter:@thepacketrat phone: 312-281-5123 http://arstechnica.com/author/sean-gallagher/ PGP Public Key can be found at : https://arstechnica.com/ars-staff-pgp-keys/ On 7/20/15, 4:49 PM, M100 on behalf of John R. Hogerhuis m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com on behalf ofjho...@pobox.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/back-to-the-future-the-trs-80-model-100/ I noticed that author also just joined the list... welcome Sean! -- John.
Re: [M100] Recent article about Model 100 posted on Ars Technica
Thanks, John! I'm working on a couple of things for follow-up: Connecting via TELCOM and a null modem cable to various computers (PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi) as a terminal, to do file transfer, etc. Possibly doing some sort of Bluetooth-to-serial hack to connect to another system in similar fashion as above. Doing some dial-up (I need to order or create a modem cable, as the system I picked up came with just a printer ribbon cable with no termination) Spending a day doing my job from the Model 100. (Writing an article from the field, filing it, communicating with co-workers via IRC, checking email via some sort of gateway?). If anyone has any tips to share on any of these, I'd appreciate the help (and will properly credit it). :D Sean Gallagher Information Technology Editor Ars Technica E-mail: sean.gallag...@arstechnica.com Twitter:@thepacketrat phone: 312-281-5123 http://arstechnica.com/author/sean-gallagher/ PGP Public Key can be found at : https://arstechnica.com/ars-staff-pgp-keys/ On 7/20/15, 4:49 PM, M100 on behalf of John R. Hogerhuis m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com on behalf of jho...@pobox.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/back-to-the-future-the-trs-80-model-100/ I noticed that author also just joined the list... welcome Sean! -- John.
