Automatically interacting with HTML content?

2013-04-16 Thread Catherine Turner
Hi,

Here I am with another newbie question…it seems sometimes in Safari VO
automatically interacts with HTML content, and other times I have to
keep making it interact.  Is there any reason/pattern to this
behaviour or is it just one of those things?  Is there any way of
making it automatically interact every time a page loads?  SOmetimes
it does and sometimes it doesn't, and I can't work out any
reason/pattern…

Thanks,
Catherine
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Using Voiceover In applications

2013-04-16 Thread George Cham
Ok , I've been using voiceover for a few weeks months,
And I would like to use voiceover and the keyboard , together .
I'm  not sure if I've asked this question before, 
But how do I move the voiceover curcer
for example , from the list of folders in mail , to the list of messages .

george.c...@outlook.com




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Re: help installing vuescan

2013-04-16 Thread Daniela Rubio
Hello:
Instead of trying to open it with VO+space or CMD+O, bring the context menu via 
VO+SHIFT+M and from there, pick open. In that way, you ail still get a message 
saying that it is not from an identified developer, but it will let you open it.

Daniela Rubio T
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iPhone: +34662328507





El 16/04/2013, a las 01:07, Cathy flowersandhe...@gmail.com escribió:

 hello
 I am having difficulty installing vuescan on my Mac. the message I get is:
 
 can't open because it is from an unidentified developer.
 
 please let me know how to allow the file to open?
 
 also, I'd like some recommendations for an inexpensive scanner from Amazon to 
 go along with the vuescan.
 I have two scanners that I have tried and my Mac will not recognize them. 
 perhaps they are too old?
 
 thank you.
 
 Cathy
 
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Re: Entering Unicode characters

2013-04-16 Thread Catherine Turner
Hi Esther,

Ah, I have progress.  It seems the substitution was being made but
Voiceover wasn't necessarily reporting it accurately.  I discovered
that if I did the substitution and then went down onto a new line and
then cursored back up again VO would read it accurately.  THis also
happens with the other (default) substitutions such as the copyright
sign - if I type left paren c right paren and then cursor left to
check it VO still reports as left parent c right paren.  But if I
cursor up or down to a different line and then back again VO reports
the copyright sign.  So I guess it takes VO a while to pick up on it
or I need to refresh/refocus VO somehow to make it realise it has
changed.  Well I can be confident it's working now.  I guess I just
need to make sure that checkbox for allowing substitutes is checked in
any apps I want to use it in.  Thank you very much for your help.  And
yes, by the way, my Windows key is functioning as the Command key.

Catherine

On 4/15/13, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hi Catherine and Colin,

 I thought that Catherine was probably using TextEdit, but the instructions I
 gave her should have worked for Mail (and notes in Mail), too. Catherine,
 when you type in your first string, just type the semi-colon and the a, and
 then press tab.  Then, in the next field, paste in the apostrophe with
 Command+v and press return.  You want your string to end with a character,
 and you want your substituted text to also end with a character.  If you're
 typing a space after the semi-colon and the a in the table, that might be
 the problem.

 If your Mac is accepting letters and key combinations from your Maltron
 keyboard, then you should be able to do the character substitution.  Can you
 check whether you can use the Windows key of your Maltron keyboard as a
 Command key so that you can copy with Command+c and paste with Command+v?
 That's usually what works with PC keyboards that have a Windows key.

 If I type a note with ;a (where I omit the quotation marks, and where I've
 changed the substitution characters to match the ones you've used), as soon
 as I press the spacebar after typing the a, the string turns into an
 apostrophe for me.  This should work for you, too.

 By the way, is it easier for you to repeat using the arrow keys to move to
 the Add button, or would you prefer to use item chooser menu
 (Control+Option+i) and type a d to move to the Add button?

 HTH.  Cheers,

 Esther



 On Apr 14, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

 Hi sorry I've got nothing about the coding but you said you did not have
 textedit!
 But if your using a MBA MBP textedit is already on there to use!

 On 15 Apr 2013, at 08:31, Catherine Turner
 catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Esther,

 Thanks for these instructions.  I haven't been able to get the text
 substitution to work though.  This is most likely something I've done
 wrong but I can't figure out what.

 I haven't got Textedit at the moment but I was trying it out with
 Notes.  In notes if I go to edit, Substitutions, Show Substitutions,
 the checkbox Text replacement s checked, and I press the Text
 Preferences button.  In the ensuing preferences the use symbol and
 text substitution checkbox is selected.  I pressed the add button and
 used the string ;a that's semicolon a space.  I've tried other strings
 too ad can't get any of them to work.  When I interact with the table
 of substitutions now at the bottom is the one I've added and the
 checkbox on the left of it is checked.  I've gone in and out of the
 preferences a few times and it's still there so I guess it's saved.
 But it doesn't appear in notes when I type it.  I tried out some of
 the other substitutions from that table like left paren c right paren
 for copyright symbol and it works.  I can only think that there's some
 small thing I haven't noticed but not sure what.  Let me know if you
 get any ideas.  I'll see if I can go to a Mac store though it's a bit
 awkward because they're quite noisy and don't know if there'd be a
 space I could set my stuff up with a desk I could get under (I'm in a
 wheelchair).  Anyway at least I have the unicode entry working now...

 Thanks,
 Catherine

 On 4/14/13, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hi Catherine,

 If you simply need to type an apostrophe, then the quickest way to
 enable
 you to do that is to use your Mac's facility for keyboard substitution.
 This will let you continue to use your Maltron keyboard, but give you
 access
 to the apostrophe character when you type some other string.  Here's how
 to
 do this.  I'm going to set up a shortcut so that the 2-letter
 combination
 ;l when typed together, with no space between the semi-colon and the
 l,
 will be substituted with an apostrophe character.  So the substitution
 will
 use the two character groups:
 ;l '
 (that's semi-colon+l, a space separator, and the apostrophe character,
 so
 you can copy and paste).  You should choose a convenient key 

Re: Automatically interacting with HTML content?

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Actually i'd love to know this as well.  This drives me bananas. Is it the web 
master, voice over, safari, osx? as junnie b jones says, i'd like to know.

Take care.
On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Catherine Turner 
catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Here I am with another newbie question…it seems sometimes in Safari VO
 automatically interacts with HTML content, and other times I have to
 keep making it interact.  Is there any reason/pattern to this
 behaviour or is it just one of those things?  Is there any way of
 making it automatically interact every time a page loads?  SOmetimes
 it does and sometimes it doesn't, and I can't work out any
 reason/pattern…
 
 Thanks,
 Catherine
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Re: Using Voiceover In applications

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Hello. to jump from table to table in the mail app hit vo cmd t. You can get a 
lot of key references by hitting vo h twice and you can memorize with practice 
the keys you will need. This is how I learned the mac as I had no one to teach 
me, well someone to show me the basics but after that I was on my own. It's all 
muscle memory.

Good luck.
On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:08 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:

 Ok , I've been using voiceover for a few weeks months,
 And I would like to use voiceover and the keyboard , together .
 I'm  not sure if I've asked this question before, 
 But how do I move the voiceover curcer
 for example , from the list of folders in mail , to the list of messages .
 
 george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
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Lost Say all on Text Edit

2013-04-16 Thread David Griffith
On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.

Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
read the current page and no more.
I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
the cloud.

I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
read a page.
Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.

Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?

David Griffith

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iPhone wireless issue.

2013-04-16 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Folks,

Can anyone think of a valid reason why an iPhone 4S can connect to a WIFI 
network but the 5, cannot.  They are both in the same place.

Dónal
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Re: Lost Say all on Text Edit

2013-04-16 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello David,

Try switching from Wrap to Page to Wrap to window (Cmd-Shift-W).

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:24, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
 
 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
 the cloud.
 
 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
 
 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
 
 David Griffith
 
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Re: Using Voiceover In applications

2013-04-16 Thread Phil Halton

George, could you be referring to the keyboard command VO+J?
That'll move you from the mailbox list to the messages list, and then to the 
message text area.


- Original Message - 
From: George Cham george.c...@outlook.com

To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:08 AM
Subject: Using Voiceover In applications



Ok , I've been using voiceover for a few weeks months,
And I would like to use voiceover and the keyboard , together .
I'm  not sure if I've asked this question before,
But how do I move the voiceover curcer
for example , from the list of folders in mail , to the list of messages .

george.c...@outlook.com




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scanners

2013-04-16 Thread Todd Flesher
Hi All,

Can anyone recommend an inexpensive scanner to use with docu scan?
On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:24 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
 
 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
 the cloud.
 
 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
 
 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
 
 David Griffith
 
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Re: Lost Say all on Text Edit

2013-04-16 Thread Isaac Hebert
Did you try restarting text edit?

On 4/16/13, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 Hello David,

 Try switching from Wrap to Page to Wrap to window (Cmd-Shift-W).

 Cheers,

 Anne


 On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:24, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as
 it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.

 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in
 order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files
 from
 the cloud.

 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now
 only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.

 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that
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 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?

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Re: Lost Say all on Text Edit

2013-04-16 Thread David Griffith
brilliant that sorted it.
As a matter of interest does this force any formatting change to the actual 
text, for example line length and margins etc.

If so I need to be wary of using this command on documents that I havehad   
sight approved for formatting.

David Griffith
d.griff...@btinternet.com



On 16 Apr 2013, at 13:47, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello David,
 
 Try switching from Wrap to Page to Wrap to window (Cmd-Shift-W).
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:24, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
 
 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
 the cloud.
 
 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
 
 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
 
 David Griffith
 
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Re: scanners

2013-04-16 Thread Isaac Hebert
On 4/16/13, Todd Flesher toddafles...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Hi All,

 Can anyone recommend an inexpensive scanner to use with docu scan?
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:24 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com
 wrote:

 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as
 it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.

 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in
 order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files
 from
 the cloud.

 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now
 only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.

 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that
 you
 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?

 David Griffith

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Re: Lost Say all on Text Edit

2013-04-16 Thread Anne Robertson
Wrap to page or Wrap to window has no effect on formatting. Interestingly, when 
Wrap to window is set, the VO page up and page down commands don't work. 
However, it's easy enough to change from one to the other depending on what you 
want to do.

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Apr 2013, at 15:21, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 brilliant that sorted it.
 As a matter of interest does this force any formatting change to the actual 
 text, for example line length and margins etc.
 
 If so I need to be wary of using this command on documents that I havehad 
   sight approved for formatting.
 
 David Griffith
 d.griff...@btinternet.com
 
 
 
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 13:47, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello David,
 
 Try switching from Wrap to Page to Wrap to window (Cmd-Shift-W).
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:24, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
 
 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
 the cloud.
 
 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
 
 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
 
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Re: iPhone wireless issue.

2013-04-16 Thread Isaac Hebert
On 4/16/13, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 Folks,

 Can anyone think of a valid reason why an iPhone 4S can connect to a WIFI
 network but the 5, cannot.  They are both in the same place.

 Dónal
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Do you have the wifi option turned on on the iPhone go to settings
wifi and check to see if the wifi is on.
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Re: scanners

2013-04-16 Thread Harmony Neil
Hellow, I'm using the EPSON Perfection V37/V370 which is a scanner with only 4 
buttons.  It's pretty expensive as far as scanners go though, since it cost me 
between 70 and £100.

On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:19, Todd Flesher toddafles...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Can anyone recommend an inexpensive scanner to use with docu scan?
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:24 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
 
 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
 the cloud.
 
 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
 
 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
 
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Re: Automatically interacting with HTML content?

2013-04-16 Thread Josh Gregory
I don't know, but other than that voiceover works great on the Internet In my 
opinion. Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2013, at 4:37 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually i'd love to know this as well.  This drives me bananas. Is it the 
 web master, voice over, safari, osx? as junnie b jones says, i'd like to know.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Catherine Turner 
 catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Here I am with another newbie question…it seems sometimes in Safari VO
 automatically interacts with HTML content, and other times I have to
 keep making it interact.  Is there any reason/pattern to this
 behaviour or is it just one of those things?  Is there any way of
 making it automatically interact every time a page loads?  SOmetimes
 it does and sometimes it doesn't, and I can't work out any
 reason/pattern…
 
 Thanks,
 Catherine
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Re: iPhone wireless issue.

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah k Alawami
It's a bug in the latest ios6, or maybe it's an earlier one.  Are you updated 
to ios 6.1.3 I think is the latest.  Not sure on that one.
On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4/16/13, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 Folks,
 
 Can anyone think of a valid reason why an iPhone 4S can connect to a WIFI
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Re: iPhone wireless issue.

2013-04-16 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I am indeed.

Dónal
On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:25, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a bug in the latest ios6, or maybe it's an earlier one.  Are you updated 
 to ios 6.1.3 I think is the latest.  Not sure on that one.
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 4/16/13, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
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 Can anyone think of a valid reason why an iPhone 4S can connect to a WIFI
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Re: iPhone wireless issue.

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Then the bug must still persist. if you have wifi on on both devices and your 5 
won't connect, it's time to eirh try restoring it to factory  defaults or take 
it to an apple store and see if it is the hardware radio that's broken.

I have the issue sometimes with our unlv wifi connection and the star bucks 
connection when I go there to get a drink. It shows an error that says the 
webpage could not be connected to, in the wifi screen. So maybe it's a 5 
specific thing this time?
On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie 
wrote:

 I am indeed.
 
 Dónal
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:25, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's a bug in the latest ios6, or maybe it's an earlier one.  Are you 
 updated to ios 6.1.3 I think is the latest.  Not sure on that one.
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 4/16/13, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 Folks,
 
 Can anyone think of a valid reason why an iPhone 4S can connect to a WIFI
 network but the 5, cannot.  They are both in the same place.
 
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Re: iPhone wireless issue.

2013-04-16 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I think it is yes.  The 5 connects upstairs in the house but as soon as we come 
downstairs it drops.  The 4S keeps the connection going.

Dónal
On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:43, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Then the bug must still persist. if you have wifi on on both devices and your 
 5 won't connect, it's time to eirh try restoring it to factory  defaults or 
 take it to an apple store and see if it is the hardware radio that's broken.
 
 I have the issue sometimes with our unlv wifi connection and the star bucks 
 connection when I go there to get a drink. It shows an error that says the 
 webpage could not be connected to, in the wifi screen. So maybe it's a 5 
 specific thing this time?
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie 
 wrote:
 
 I am indeed.
 
 Dónal
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:25, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's a bug in the latest ios6, or maybe it's an earlier one.  Are you 
 updated to ios 6.1.3 I think is the latest.  Not sure on that one.
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 4/16/13, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 Folks,
 
 Can anyone think of a valid reason why an iPhone 4S can connect to a WIFI
 network but the 5, cannot.  They are both in the same place.
 
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Re: Lost Say all on Text Edit

2013-04-16 Thread Esther
Hi Anne, David, and Others,

I think you're talking about Wrap to page and Wrap to window having no effect 
on formatting when you use rich text format.   If you are using plain text in 
TextEdit,  having Wrap to window set will change the number of lines on each 
page, and if you print directly from the plain text file the text you have 
printed will have margins around the text.  So the size of each page in this 
mode of plain text with Wrap to window is determined by the default paper size 
you use when printing, and can be adjusted under the TextEdit File menu 
option of Page Setup… (Command-Shift-P).  

If you are using plain text mode and bring up the page setup dialog window 
either from the File menu or with the Command-Shift-P shortcut, you'll view 
what appears to be a subset of the printer dialog window with the pop up menu 
button for Settings set to Page attributes.  Try changing the paper size or 
the orientation.  You'll find that the number of words per line and lines per 
page of your plain text file with Wrap to window set has been changed to match 
that paper size and orientation, even custom page settings.

I think this is why the VO page up and page down commands don't work when Wrap 
to window is set, since the size of the page is not so easily determined in 
plain text mode, but depends on font selection and page setup selection.  
Although most people use TextEdit in Rich Text Format, this option was put in 
as a quick way to get minimal margin formatting in printed plain text files.  
Anyone doing more work files under unix and linux may be aware of the fact that 
when you just send text files to the printer, the text has no margins.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Apr 16, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Wrap to page or Wrap to window has no effect on formatting. Interestingly, 
 when Wrap to window is set, the VO page up and page down commands don't work. 
 However, it's easy enough to change from one to the other depending on what 
 you want to do.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 15:21, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 brilliant that sorted it.
 As a matter of interest does this force any formatting change to the actual 
 text, for example line length and margins etc.
 
 If so I need to be wary of using this command on documents that I have
 had   sight approved for formatting.
 
 David Griffith
 d.griff...@btinternet.com
 
 
 
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 13:47, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello David,
 
 Try switching from Wrap to Page to Wrap to window (Cmd-Shift-W).
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:24, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as 
 it,
 unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
 document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
 
 Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
 replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
 read the current page and no more.
 I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in 
 order
 to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
 the cloud.
 
 I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
 read a page.
 Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
 I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
 
 Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
 can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
 
 David Griffith

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Re: Entering Unicode characters

2013-04-16 Thread Esther
Hi Catherine,

I should have thought of having you move away and then back to the word or line 
in question to check that substitution was being done. The issue is that the 
screen dynamically updates, and your screen reader is telling you what it it 
read when you first navigated to that text.  It doesn't refresh the content 
until you move off and then back on again.  This can be one of the problems in 
using iOS apps, if one of the elements changes but the developer hasn't had the 
screen do a refresh.

With third party text substitution software, there's generally a setting 
enabled by default to have a distinctive alert sound played when a substitution 
is made.  This is what I hear when I use TextExpander on my Mac or TextExpander 
Touch on my iOS devices and a substitution has been made.  It's also why, when 
I suggested that some list members might want to look into the aText text 
expansion software 15-day free trial version, I suggested that they go into the 
preferences pane (Command-comma), and change the default notification sound 
from click to something more distinctive.

By the way, I think that part of my description of the aText text 
substitution software got cut off in the original post.  I meant to detail one 
of my reasons for preferring the TextExpander interface is that it's easy to 
review the list of substituted strings, whereas in aText you get the list of 
your defined text snippets, but you have to VO-J to the detailed panel for 
editing, in order to read the substituted text string.  On the other hand, 
aText sounds like a bargain for what it does at $4.99 -- seven times less 
than the TextExpander list price -- especially since it can now be used for 
synced Dropbox content, and I think also Google Drive.  As I said, I hope some 
other list member checks this out in more detail from the aText web page:
http://www.trankynam.com/atext/
I also read at the web page that some of the functionality of being able to do 
text expansion involving AppleScripts and shell scripts may be limited if you 
get the version from the Mac App store instead of the one at the developer's 
site.  That's because of the restrictions placed on software in the Mac App 
store.  While the policy limits the ability of malicious software to take over 
other software, it also limits the ability of your software to use certain 
system-wide actions, or bits of other software.  It's difficult for me to do 
more than a casual test of the aText software because I already have 
TextExpander running for most of my text expansion.

Catherine, I read that the Maltron one-handed keyboards also have a separate 
numpad.  I don't know how convenient it is for you to use the number pad, but 
you could also customized those keys by turning on NumPad Commander in 
VoiceOver Utility, if that is a desirable option for you.  I'm deleting some of 
the earlier messages in this thread, to keep the post from being too long.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Apr 15, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Catherine Turner wrote:

 Hi Esther,
 
 Ah, I have progress.  It seems the substitution was being made but
 Voiceover wasn't necessarily reporting it accurately.  I discovered
 that if I did the substitution and then went down onto a new line and
 then cursored back up again VO would read it accurately.  THis also
 happens with the other (default) substitutions such as the copyright
 sign - if I type left paren c right paren and then cursor left to
 check it VO still reports as left parent c right paren.  But if I
 cursor up or down to a different line and then back again VO reports
 the copyright sign.  So I guess it takes VO a while to pick up on it
 or I need to refresh/refocus VO somehow to make it realise it has
 changed.  Well I can be confident it's working now.  I guess I just
 need to make sure that checkbox for allowing substitutes is checked in
 any apps I want to use it in.  Thank you very much for your help.  And
 yes, by the way, my Windows key is functioning as the Command key.
 
 Catherine
 
 On 4/15/13, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hi Catherine and Colin,
 
 I thought that Catherine was probably using TextEdit, but the instructions I
 gave her should have worked for Mail (and notes in Mail), too. Catherine,
 when you type in your first string, just type the semi-colon and the a, and
 then press tab.  Then, in the next field, paste in the apostrophe with
 Command+v and press return.  You want your string to end with a character,
 and you want your substituted text to also end with a character.  If you're
 typing a space after the semi-colon and the a in the table, that might be
 the problem.
 
 If your Mac is accepting letters and key combinations from your Maltron
 keyboard, then you should be able to do the character substitution.  Can you
 check whether you can use the Windows key of your Maltron keyboard as a
 Command key so that you can copy with Command+c and paste with Command+v?
 That's usually what works with PC keyboards 

Re: iPhone wireless issue.

2013-04-16 Thread Glenn
I used to have that problem with my iPhone 4.
I always had to reconnect whenever I got home.
I transferred my settings from my 4 to my 5, and with the exact same 
settings, my 5 stays connected.
Look in settings, wireless, and find your router, and on the button after 
the connect button, I think it is the SSID and it says info.
Compare the settings for that connection compared to the 4S.

Hope you get it figured out.

Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone wireless issue.


I think it is yes.  The 5 connects upstairs in the house but as soon as we 
come downstairs it drops.  The 4S keeps the connection going.

Dónal
On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:43, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Then the bug must still persist. if you have wifi on on both devices and 
 your 5 won't connect, it's time to eirh try restoring it to factory 
 defaults or take it to an apple store and see if it is the hardware radio 
 that's broken.

 I have the issue sometimes with our unlv wifi connection and the star 
 bucks connection when I go there to get a drink. It shows an error that 
 says the webpage could not be connected to, in the wifi screen. So maybe 
 it's a 5 specific thing this time?
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie 
 wrote:

 I am indeed.

 Dónal
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:25, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a bug in the latest ios6, or maybe it's an earlier one.  Are you 
 updated to ios 6.1.3 I think is the latest.  Not sure on that one.
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 On 4/16/13, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 Folks,

 Can anyone think of a valid reason why an iPhone 4S can connect to a 
 WIFI
 network but the 5, cannot.  They are both in the same place.

 Dónal
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iPlayer Automator question

2013-04-16 Thread Orin
Hi all,
So, I have that Get iPlayer Automator app that people use to get some described 
shows from the BBC. However, several shows that I know are described, such as 
Revenge and The Vampire Diaries, don't download described even when that option 
is checked in preferences. Can anyone help with this? Email me off list if you 
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extra voices for the mac

2013-04-16 Thread Laurel Wheeler
Hi all,
I know that you can go into VO preferences and download extra voices for the 
mac in various languages. I've done this and love it. I also know that there 
are other places where you can buy, or get for free, voices that will work on 
the mac with voiceover that are not from Apple. I know for example that 
InfoBox, iBox has voices that can be gotten for the mac. I was wondering if any 
of you know of other places where we can get voices that will work with 
voiceover that are good. I see places on the web where I can download open 
shareware, but I don't think it looks too safe, so I'm wanting to get extra 
voices from places that we know are good. I would be particularly interested in 
Hebrew voices, if anybody knows of any, but even just in general. Where all can 
we get good voices from?
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: extra voices for the mac

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I think the a cappella voices work just as good. If those are the same as the 
info vox voices excuse ignorance. lol! 
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 Hi all,
 I know that you can go into VO preferences and download extra voices for the 
 mac in various languages. I've done this and love it. I also know that there 
 are other places where you can buy, or get for free, voices that will work on 
 the mac with voiceover that are not from Apple. I know for example that 
 InfoBox, iBox has voices that can be gotten for the mac. I was wondering if 
 any of you know of other places where we can get voices that will work with 
 voiceover that are good. I see places on the web where I can download open 
 shareware, but I don't think it looks too safe, so I'm wanting to get extra 
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 in Hebrew voices, if anybody knows of any, but even just in general. Where 
 all can we get good voices from?
 Thanks
 Laurel
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