Re: keychain

2013-12-07 Thread Chris H
Don't think so as once turned on both devices they should just work. 
Since Macs cannot accept passcodes then you probably won't be prompted 
for anything when checked.


On 07/12/2013 04:32, don bishop wrote:

Hi,

I’m trying to figure out what I need to do to properly use keychain.  I have it 
turned on and have entered the access code on my phone, but not just sure what 
I need to do on the mac.  I have the checkbox for keychane checked in system 
preferences.  Do I need to do anything else?

Thanks,

Don


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Re: Voiceover on Apple TV

2013-12-07 Thread Chris H
Was going to get this now but this will be sizzled as in the near future 
I may be getting an iPad with accessories as a gift.


On 06/12/2013 22:10, Martin G. McCormick wrote:

We are thinking about possibly getting Apple TV. I am
familiar with Voiceover on the Mac and iPad. Is the Voiceover on
Apple TV similar and useful?

Thank you.

Martin McCormick
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mavricks

2013-12-07 Thread Linda C. Knight
 

 

Hi all,

 

I finally upgraded the mac to Mavricks. Thus far, it seems to be running
smoothly. 

 

One thing I knotice is when it starts up, it says finder and desktop and
twice which is the norm as I have dropbox. But then it says finder busy
finder ready. Do any of you get this and if so, is there a remedy? 

 

Do I need to make any changes say in preferences?

 

Any tips would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, I find it seems to be a
smooth ride.

 

 

Hugs and 73

Linda C. Knight  shirley

CallSign: kk4hrg

Please note email:

l...@tampabay.rr.com

 

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Re: mavricks

2013-12-07 Thread Esther
Hello Linda,

Do you use Finder in column view?  You might want to change to list view 
(Command-2) to avoid the Finder busy announcements in Mavericks,

Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Linda C. Knight wrote:

 
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 
 I finally upgraded the mac to Mavricks. Thus far, it seems to be running
 smoothly. 
 
 
 
 One thing I knotice is when it starts up, it says finder and desktop and
 twice which is the norm as I have dropbox. But then it says finder busy
 finder ready. Do any of you get this and if so, is there a remedy? 
 
 
 
 Do I need to make any changes say in preferences?
 
 
 
 Any tips would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, I find it seems to be a
 smooth ride.
 
 
 
 
 
 Hugs and 73
 
 Linda C. Knight  shirley
 
 CallSign: kk4hrg
 
 Please note email:
 
 l...@tampabay.rr.com
 
 
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Re: mavricks

2013-12-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
No I have that problem as well even wihta  reinstall. It seems to take the mac 
a bit longer to start and get running but then again my system is 3 years old, 
going on 4. lol!

Take care. 
On Dec 7, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

 
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 
 I finally upgraded the mac to Mavricks. Thus far, it seems to be running
 smoothly. 
 
 
 
 One thing I knotice is when it starts up, it says finder and desktop and
 twice which is the norm as I have dropbox. But then it says finder busy
 finder ready. Do any of you get this and if so, is there a remedy? 
 
 
 
 Do I need to make any changes say in preferences?
 
 
 
 Any tips would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, I find it seems to be a
 smooth ride.
 
 
 
 
 
 Hugs and 73
 
 Linda C. Knight  shirley
 
 CallSign: kk4hrg
 
 Please note email:
 
 l...@tampabay.rr.com
 
 
 
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Re: mavricks

2013-12-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Actually for me even in column view I still get finder busy when opening a 
folder of about 300 items or more. It seems like apple are loading details of 
the folder but all I have checked are name, date modified, size and kind.  it’s 
a thought though.

Good luci.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hello Linda,
 
 Do you use Finder in column view?  You might want to change to list view 
 (Command-2) to avoid the Finder busy announcements in Mavericks,
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Linda C. Knight wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 
 I finally upgraded the mac to Mavricks. Thus far, it seems to be running
 smoothly. 
 
 
 
 One thing I knotice is when it starts up, it says finder and desktop and
 twice which is the norm as I have dropbox. But then it says finder busy
 finder ready. Do any of you get this and if so, is there a remedy? 
 
 
 
 Do I need to make any changes say in preferences?
 
 
 
 Any tips would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, I find it seems to be a
 smooth ride.
 
 
 
 
 
 Hugs and 73
 
 Linda C. Knight  shirley
 
 CallSign: kk4hrg
 
 Please note email:
 
 l...@tampabay.rr.com
 
 
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apple mail

2013-12-07 Thread Haghighi,Amin
Created an exchange account and imported my mails from outlook 360. to apple 
mail
In outlook I had created several sub folders under inbox.
I don’t see any of sub folders in apple mail.
I only see them in message menu bar under “copy to” or “move to”.
I would like to be able  to access the sub folder mail messages.

Does anyone know?


Thanks..


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Re: apple mail

2013-12-07 Thread Zachary Kline
These folders should be under the account in the Mailboxes list, especially 
since you can move messages to them.
Best,
Zack.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Haghighi,Amin haghi...@oclc.org wrote:

 Created an exchange account and imported my mails from outlook 360. to apple 
 mail
 In outlook I had created several sub folders under inbox.
 I don’t see any of sub folders in apple mail.
 I only see them in message menu bar under “copy to” or “move to”.
 I would like to be able  to access the sub folder mail messages.
 
 Does anyone know?
 
 
 Thanks..
 
 
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Re: apple mail

2013-12-07 Thread Haghighi,Amin
I don’t see them under mail boxes table.
I don’t know where else to look.

On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:

 These folders should be under the account in the Mailboxes list, especially 
 since you can move messages to them.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Haghighi,Amin haghi...@oclc.org wrote:
 
 Created an exchange account and imported my mails from outlook 360. to apple 
 mail
 In outlook I had created several sub folders under inbox.
 I don’t see any of sub folders in apple mail.
 I only see them in message menu bar under “copy to” or “move to”.
 I would like to be able  to access the sub folder mail messages.
 
 Does anyone know?
 
 
 Thanks..
 
 
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Re: apple mail

2013-12-07 Thread Zachary Kline
If you explore the table completely, you will find sections which can be 
expanded and collapsed. Press vo-backslash on a section which claims to be 
collapsed, and you will find the mailboxes.
Best,
Zack.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Haghighi,Amin haghi...@oclc.org wrote:

 I don’t see them under mail boxes table.
 I don’t know where else to look.
 
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:
 
 These folders should be under the account in the Mailboxes list, especially 
 since you can move messages to them.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Haghighi,Amin haghi...@oclc.org wrote:
 
 Created an exchange account and imported my mails from outlook 360. to 
 apple mail
 In outlook I had created several sub folders under inbox.
 I don’t see any of sub folders in apple mail.
 I only see them in message menu bar under “copy to” or “move to”.
 I would like to be able  to access the sub folder mail messages.
 
 Does anyone know?
 
 
 Thanks..
 
 
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Re: apple mail

2013-12-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
If you don’t see anything but inbox though press I think it’s cmd shift m and 
you will show your mail box list. Then you can vo up and down arrow and expand 
what says it collapsed. then you should see your stuff from your exchange 
account.

Good luck.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:

 If you explore the table completely, you will find sections which can be 
 expanded and collapsed. Press vo-backslash on a section which claims to be 
 collapsed, and you will find the mailboxes.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Haghighi,Amin haghi...@oclc.org wrote:
 
 I don’t see them under mail boxes table.
 I don’t know where else to look.
 
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:
 
 These folders should be under the account in the Mailboxes list, especially 
 since you can move messages to them.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Haghighi,Amin haghi...@oclc.org wrote:
 
 Created an exchange account and imported my mails from outlook 360. to 
 apple mail
 In outlook I had created several sub folders under inbox.
 I don’t see any of sub folders in apple mail.
 I only see them in message menu bar under “copy to” or “move to”.
 I would like to be able  to access the sub folder mail messages.
 
 Does anyone know?
 
 
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Re: apple mail

2013-12-07 Thread Haghighi,Amin
Thanks, I see them now.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:

 If you explore the table completely, you will find sections which can be 
 expanded and collapsed. Press vo-backslash on a section which claims to be 
 collapsed, and you will find the mailboxes.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Haghighi,Amin haghi...@oclc.org wrote:
 
 I don’t see them under mail boxes table.
 I don’t know where else to look.
 
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:
 
 These folders should be under the account in the Mailboxes list, especially 
 since you can move messages to them.
 Best,
 Zack.
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 Created an exchange account and imported my mails from outlook 360. to 
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 I would like to be able  to access the sub folder mail messages.
 
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next mavrics update status?

2013-12-07 Thread Michael Marshall
hey all,
just out of interest is the next mavrics update still in beater testing stage? 
i was just thinking about that question and wondering if we would get it before 
the new year.

thanks

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jaw bone updater not deleting

2013-12-07 Thread Rudolph, Douglas
hey guys. this is a very strange situation for me. I no longer have a jaw bone 
bt headset so i am wanting to get rid of the jaw bone updater application on 
the computer. every time i try deleting from the applications folder, it tells 
me that i can’t delete it because its running. I have removed all files for it 
from the library, and still no go. how do i delete it or trick mac into 
thinking its not running so that i can delete it. its on a mid 2012 mba on 
mavrix 
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Re: jaw bone updater not deleting

2013-12-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Have yu checked the activity monitor to see if the jawbone  update process is 
running? Just something to check first. if so force quit it with cmd option q 
or click force quit in the tool bar, then try and remove the app again.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Rudolph, Douglas douglas.rudo...@usask.ca wrote:

 hey guys. this is a very strange situation for me. I no longer have a jaw 
 bone bt headset so i am wanting to get rid of the jaw bone updater 
 application on the computer. every time i try deleting from the applications 
 folder, it tells me that i can’t delete it because its running. I have 
 removed all files for it from the library, and still no go. how do i delete 
 it or trick mac into thinking its not running so that i can delete it. its on 
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A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

2013-12-07 Thread Chris Goodwin
Hi all,

I went to upgrade my iPhone 4S from (I guess) ios6 to ios7.0.4 on Wednesday 
evening this week.  I'd seen the option there for several months but had held 
back as being mostly used to Microsoft that I should hold back from the first 
version of a new release.

Well, I started the upgrade via my wi-fi and after a short time the phone 
restarted itself.  Or rather, it went to a screen with the apple logo on and 
something like a signpost underneath.  And it sat there.  After 20 mins I tried 
to shut it off which didn't work.  Had to do a hard reset with top button and 
home key at the same time.  All attempts to switch the phone back on gave the 
same screen which then went blank after about 20 seconds.

Basically, my phone wasn't working.

A google told me I had to restore my phone.  So I started iTunes and connected 
my phone to my Windows laptop.  iTunes detected a phone that needed restoring 
but Jaws couldn't locate any button I was expecting to see labelled Restore.  
My sighted wife was able to see it though and started the process.  Alas, 
iTunes eventually returned with a message saying This phone could not be 
restored.

Fortunately I live in a city which has an Apple store.  I trotted off to the 
shop and they were very helpful and went through the restore process.  In less 
than 10 minutes my phone was up and running again and the assistant did things 
like log me back into iCloud and set up my phone to back up to iCloud.  
Unfortunatley, it hadn't been backing up before and all my data was lost.  This 
in practice meant my contacts, and settings within apps, and the photos I had 
on the phone at the time.  The assistant downloaded all my apps for me though 
as there was a download all function.

the reason the assistant thought her restore worked was that at the shop, the 
firmware was also updated and not just the ios.

I had to return another day with my old Nokia phone so they could transfer all 
my contacts again.

I've spent a fairly jolly couple of days now re-organising all my apps and 
running each of them and setting up various configurations and favourites.  
Still some way to go on this.

I don't use my iPhone for music so had never plugged it into iTunes other than 
once or twice just to see what it all looked like.  iTunes is a pretty tricky 
app with Jaws.  But I had no idea it was a tool to use to help backup my phone.

I need to learn more about backing up I think.

The assistant at the Apple store said the most likely reason for my problem was 
that a bit of data went missing when I did the update via wi-fi and she always 
does it when the phone is powered.  It sounds a bit of a funny reason but I 
don't know enough to dispute her.

Not sure what the moral of the story is.

Best, 

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Re: next mavrics update status?

2013-12-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
The next update will be out when it’s out. I hear that apple released the gm to 
devs a while back so it should be soonish, if they find no problems.  I follow 
a lot of twitter accounts that talk about this kind of stuff lol!

Take care. 
On Dec 7, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:

 hey all,
 just out of interest is the next mavrics update still in beater testing 
 stage? i was just thinking about that question and wondering if we would get 
 it before the new year.
 
 thanks
 
 Michael
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Metronome

2013-12-07 Thread Chris Goodwin
All,

Thanks for recent advice on an app that beeps so I can pedal at the correct 
speed on my training bike.  the TempoPerfect app does the trick just fine.  It 
is a basic but simple app that does what I need.

Many thanks,

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Re: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

2013-12-07 Thread Glenn
Chris,
I wonder if you worried too soon.
I think that major updates can take quite a while to complete.
Glenn
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From: Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com
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Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade


Hi all,

I went to upgrade my iPhone 4S from (I guess) ios6 to ios7.0.4 on Wednesday 
evening this week.  I'd seen the option there for several months but had 
held back as being mostly used to Microsoft that I should hold back from the 
first version of a new release.

Well, I started the upgrade via my wi-fi and after a short time the phone 
restarted itself.  Or rather, it went to a screen with the apple logo on and 
something like a signpost underneath.  And it sat there.  After 20 mins I 
tried to shut it off which didn't work.  Had to do a hard reset with top 
button and home key at the same time.  All attempts to switch the phone back 
on gave the same screen which then went blank after about 20 seconds.

Basically, my phone wasn't working.

A google told me I had to restore my phone.  So I started iTunes and 
connected my phone to my Windows laptop.  iTunes detected a phone that 
needed restoring but Jaws couldn't locate any button I was expecting to see 
labelled Restore.  My sighted wife was able to see it though and started 
the process.  Alas, iTunes eventually returned with a message saying This 
phone could not be restored.

Fortunately I live in a city which has an Apple store.  I trotted off to the 
shop and they were very helpful and went through the restore process.  In 
less than 10 minutes my phone was up and running again and the assistant did 
things like log me back into iCloud and set up my phone to back up to 
iCloud.  Unfortunatley, it hadn't been backing up before and all my data was 
lost.  This in practice meant my contacts, and settings within apps, and the 
photos I had on the phone at the time.  The assistant downloaded all my apps 
for me though as there was a download all function.

the reason the assistant thought her restore worked was that at the shop, 
the firmware was also updated and not just the ios.

I had to return another day with my old Nokia phone so they could transfer 
all my contacts again.

I've spent a fairly jolly couple of days now re-organising all my apps and 
running each of them and setting up various configurations and favourites. 
Still some way to go on this.

I don't use my iPhone for music so had never plugged it into iTunes other 
than once or twice just to see what it all looked like.  iTunes is a pretty 
tricky app with Jaws.  But I had no idea it was a tool to use to help backup 
my phone.

I need to learn more about backing up I think.

The assistant at the Apple store said the most likely reason for my problem 
was that a bit of data went missing when I did the update via wi-fi and she 
always does it when the phone is powered.  It sounds a bit of a funny reason 
but I don't know enough to dispute her.

Not sure what the moral of the story is.

Best,

Chris
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Re: jaw bone updater not deleting

2013-12-07 Thread Rudolph, Douglas
Thanks :) didn't know about dat  

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 On Dec 7, 2013, at 15:00, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Have yu checked the activity monitor to see if the jawbone  update process is 
 running? Just something to check first. if so force quit it with cmd option q 
 or click force quit in the tool bar, then try and remove the app again.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Rudolph, Douglas douglas.rudo...@usask.ca 
 wrote:
 
 hey guys. this is a very strange situation for me. I no longer have a jaw 
 bone bt headset so i am wanting to get rid of the jaw bone updater 
 application on the computer. every time i try deleting from the applications 
 folder, it tells me that i can’t delete it because its running. I have 
 removed all files for it from the library, and still no go. how do i delete 
 it or trick mac into thinking its not running so that i can delete it. its 
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Re: jaw bone updater not deleting

2013-12-07 Thread Esther
Hi Doug,

Another thought to add to Sarah's suggestion: you might want to check whether 
your Jawbone headset still shows up as one of the devices in System Preferences 
 Bluetooth and delete it from the table.  I think that the device will no 
longer appear as an output device under the System Preferences  sound 
preferences pane, too. So I would both check the Activity Monitor utility to 
kill the process, and make sure that the headset is deleted from your Bluetooth 
devices, since you no longer have it.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

 Have yu checked the activity monitor to see if the jawbone  update process is 
 running? Just something to check first. if so force quit it with cmd option q 
 or click force quit in the tool bar, then try and remove the app again.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Rudolph, Douglas wrote:
 
 hey guys. this is a very strange situation for me. I no longer have a jaw 
 bone bt headset so i am wanting to get rid of the jaw bone updater 
 application on the computer. every time i try deleting from the applications 
 folder, it tells me that i can’t delete it because its running. I have 
 removed all files for it from the library, and still no go. how do i delete 
 it or trick mac into thinking its not running so that i can delete it. its 
 on a mid 2012 mba on mavrix 
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GigBabyFree

2013-12-07 Thread Chris Goodwin
Hi Esther,

Thanks for the app GigBabyFree.  It might well be fun to train along to the 
drum beat rather than just a metronome.  I prefer metronomes rather than tunes 
as I like to be precise about the tempo.

How though can I remove the selected rhythm and return back to a plain 
metronome?

Thanks,

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Re: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

2013-12-07 Thread alberto
Yes I think that is what the issue would be I personally give it about 20 
minutes before worrying  that is usually the time it takes for a major update 
to complete correctly.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:

 Chris,
 I wonder if you worried too soon.
 I think that major updates can take quite a while to complete.
 Glenn
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com
 To: MacAccessList mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:01 PM
 Subject: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I went to upgrade my iPhone 4S from (I guess) ios6 to ios7.0.4 on Wednesday 
 evening this week.  I'd seen the option there for several months but had 
 held back as being mostly used to Microsoft that I should hold back from the 
 first version of a new release.
 
 Well, I started the upgrade via my wi-fi and after a short time the phone 
 restarted itself.  Or rather, it went to a screen with the apple logo on and 
 something like a signpost underneath.  And it sat there.  After 20 mins I 
 tried to shut it off which didn't work.  Had to do a hard reset with top 
 button and home key at the same time.  All attempts to switch the phone back 
 on gave the same screen which then went blank after about 20 seconds.
 
 Basically, my phone wasn't working.
 
 A google told me I had to restore my phone.  So I started iTunes and 
 connected my phone to my Windows laptop.  iTunes detected a phone that 
 needed restoring but Jaws couldn't locate any button I was expecting to see 
 labelled Restore.  My sighted wife was able to see it though and started 
 the process.  Alas, iTunes eventually returned with a message saying This 
 phone could not be restored.
 
 Fortunately I live in a city which has an Apple store.  I trotted off to the 
 shop and they were very helpful and went through the restore process.  In 
 less than 10 minutes my phone was up and running again and the assistant did 
 things like log me back into iCloud and set up my phone to back up to 
 iCloud.  Unfortunatley, it hadn't been backing up before and all my data was 
 lost.  This in practice meant my contacts, and settings within apps, and the 
 photos I had on the phone at the time.  The assistant downloaded all my apps 
 for me though as there was a download all function.
 
 the reason the assistant thought her restore worked was that at the shop, 
 the firmware was also updated and not just the ios.
 
 I had to return another day with my old Nokia phone so they could transfer 
 all my contacts again.
 
 I've spent a fairly jolly couple of days now re-organising all my apps and 
 running each of them and setting up various configurations and favourites. 
 Still some way to go on this.
 
 I don't use my iPhone for music so had never plugged it into iTunes other 
 than once or twice just to see what it all looked like.  iTunes is a pretty 
 tricky app with Jaws.  But I had no idea it was a tool to use to help backup 
 my phone.
 
 I need to learn more about backing up I think.
 
 The assistant at the Apple store said the most likely reason for my problem 
 was that a bit of data went missing when I did the update via wi-fi and she 
 always does it when the phone is powered.  It sounds a bit of a funny reason 
 but I don't know enough to dispute her.
 
 Not sure what the moral of the story is.
 
 Best,
 
 Chris
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Re: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

2013-12-07 Thread Esther
Hi Chris,

Glenn is correct that major system updates in iOS can take quite a while to 
complete.  However, it is always a good idea to backup your iOS device or Mac 
computer before doing major upgrades. 

Here's a link to a MacWorld article on how to upgrade to iOS 7.  You can use 
the Safari Reader option.  There are links in the article to separate sections 
describing how to make backups using either with iTunes or through the Cloud if 
you have an iCloud account and have set up backups under the Settings menu for 
your phone.  There is also an advisory to make sure your battery has sufficient 
charge, or you are connected to a power source, so that you do not run out of 
power during the update process, which can take time, depending on whether you 
are doing the backup over the air or through iTunes on your computer.  They 
also warn you not to turn your phone off before your backup completes, so you 
do not lose information in the middle of the process.

Finally, if you want to learn more about using iTunes with JAWS, in order to 
better work with your iPhone, I'll point you to these two Freedom Scientific 
FSCast podcasts:
• Part one of the two-part demonstration of using Apple's iTunes® 11 with JAWS® 
14 screen reading software.
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast073-December2012.mp3
• Part two of the two-part demonstration of using Apple's iTunes® 11 with JAWS® 
14 screen reading software.
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast074-January2013.mp3

One advantage of using iTunes on your computer for backing up your iPhone is 
that you can keep accessible versions of apps, or apps that may no longer be 
available for sale in the App Store (but which still work) on your phone.  I 
don't automatically update my iOS apps because I like to ensure that the 
versions I use continue to work well with VoiceOver.  When you use Cloud 
backups, you always get the latest version of an app that is available from the 
app store, which is not necessarily still accessible.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Dec 7, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Glenn wrote:

 Chris,
 I wonder if you worried too soon.
 I think that major updates can take quite a while to complete.
 Glenn
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com
 To: MacAccessList mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:01 PM
 Subject: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I went to upgrade my iPhone 4S from (I guess) ios6 to ios7.0.4 on Wednesday 
 evening this week.  I'd seen the option there for several months but had 
 held back as being mostly used to Microsoft that I should hold back from the 
 first version of a new release.
 
 Well, I started the upgrade via my wi-fi and after a short time the phone 
 restarted itself.  Or rather, it went to a screen with the apple logo on and 
 something like a signpost underneath.  And it sat there.  After 20 mins I 
 tried to shut it off which didn't work.  Had to do a hard reset with top 
 button and home key at the same time.  All attempts to switch the phone back 
 on gave the same screen which then went blank after about 20 seconds.
 
 Basically, my phone wasn't working.
 
 A google told me I had to restore my phone.  So I started iTunes and 
 connected my phone to my Windows laptop.  iTunes detected a phone that 
 needed restoring but Jaws couldn't locate any button I was expecting to see 
 labelled Restore.  My sighted wife was able to see it though and started 
 the process.  Alas, iTunes eventually returned with a message saying This 
 phone could not be restored.
 
 Fortunately I live in a city which has an Apple store.  I trotted off to the 
 shop and they were very helpful and went through the restore process.  In 
 less than 10 minutes my phone was up and running again and the assistant did 
 things like log me back into iCloud and set up my phone to back up to 
 iCloud.  Unfortunatley, it hadn't been backing up before and all my data was 
 lost.  This in practice meant my contacts, and settings within apps, and the 
 photos I had on the phone at the time.  The assistant downloaded all my apps 
 for me though as there was a download all function.
 
 the reason the assistant thought her restore worked was that at the shop, 
 the firmware was also updated and not just the ios.
 
 I had to return another day with my old Nokia phone so they could transfer 
 all my contacts again.
 
 I've spent a fairly jolly couple of days now re-organising all my apps and 
 running each of them and setting up various configurations and favourites. 
 Still some way to go on this.
 
 I don't use my iPhone for music so had never plugged it into iTunes other 
 than once or twice just to see what it all looked like.  iTunes is a pretty 
 tricky app with Jaws.  But I had no idea it was a tool to use to help backup 
 my phone.
 
 I need to learn more about backing up I think.
 
 The assistant at the Apple store said the most likely 

Re: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

2013-12-07 Thread Esther
Sorry, left out the link to the MacWorld article on upgrading to iOS 7:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2048720/how-to-upgrade-to-ios-7.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Esther wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 
 Glenn is correct that major system updates in iOS can take quite a while to 
 complete.  However, it is always a good idea to backup your iOS device or Mac 
 computer before doing major upgrades. 
 
 Here's a link to a MacWorld article on how to upgrade to iOS 7.  You can use 
 the Safari Reader option.  
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Re: GigBabyFree

2013-12-07 Thread Esther
Hi Chris,

If you want to return to the metronome beat in the GigBabyFree! app I would 
just select Count in 4/4 on the Rhythms tab.  

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Chris Goodwin wrote:

 Hi Esther,
 
 Thanks for the app GigBabyFree.  It might well be fun to train along to the 
 drum beat rather than just a metronome.  I prefer metronomes rather than 
 tunes as I like to be precise about the tempo.
 
 How though can I remove the selected rhythm and return back to a plain 
 metronome?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris 
 
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Re: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

2013-12-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Actually all of my major updates take about 5 minutes to complete and that was 
from 6 to 7 so dunno what happened there. I normally plug the phone in to power 
though thirst updating so the phone does not have a chance of dying.

Tc.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 1:40 PM, alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes I think that is what the issue would be I personally give it about 20 
 minutes before worrying  that is usually the time it takes for a major update 
 to complete correctly.
 On Dec 7, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:
 
 Chris,
 I wonder if you worried too soon.
 I think that major updates can take quite a while to complete.
 Glenn
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com
 To: MacAccessList mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:01 PM
 Subject: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I went to upgrade my iPhone 4S from (I guess) ios6 to ios7.0.4 on Wednesday 
 evening this week.  I'd seen the option there for several months but had 
 held back as being mostly used to Microsoft that I should hold back from the 
 first version of a new release.
 
 Well, I started the upgrade via my wi-fi and after a short time the phone 
 restarted itself.  Or rather, it went to a screen with the apple logo on and 
 something like a signpost underneath.  And it sat there.  After 20 mins I 
 tried to shut it off which didn't work.  Had to do a hard reset with top 
 button and home key at the same time.  All attempts to switch the phone back 
 on gave the same screen which then went blank after about 20 seconds.
 
 Basically, my phone wasn't working.
 
 A google told me I had to restore my phone.  So I started iTunes and 
 connected my phone to my Windows laptop.  iTunes detected a phone that 
 needed restoring but Jaws couldn't locate any button I was expecting to see 
 labelled Restore.  My sighted wife was able to see it though and started 
 the process.  Alas, iTunes eventually returned with a message saying This 
 phone could not be restored.
 
 Fortunately I live in a city which has an Apple store.  I trotted off to the 
 shop and they were very helpful and went through the restore process.  In 
 less than 10 minutes my phone was up and running again and the assistant did 
 things like log me back into iCloud and set up my phone to back up to 
 iCloud.  Unfortunatley, it hadn't been backing up before and all my data was 
 lost.  This in practice meant my contacts, and settings within apps, and the 
 photos I had on the phone at the time.  The assistant downloaded all my apps 
 for me though as there was a download all function.
 
 the reason the assistant thought her restore worked was that at the shop, 
 the firmware was also updated and not just the ios.
 
 I had to return another day with my old Nokia phone so they could transfer 
 all my contacts again.
 
 I've spent a fairly jolly couple of days now re-organising all my apps and 
 running each of them and setting up various configurations and favourites. 
 Still some way to go on this.
 
 I don't use my iPhone for music so had never plugged it into iTunes other 
 than once or twice just to see what it all looked like.  iTunes is a pretty 
 tricky app with Jaws.  But I had no idea it was a tool to use to help backup 
 my phone.
 
 I need to learn more about backing up I think.
 
 The assistant at the Apple store said the most likely reason for my problem 
 was that a bit of data went missing when I did the update via wi-fi and she 
 always does it when the phone is powered.  It sounds a bit of a funny reason 
 but I don't know enough to dispute her.
 
 Not sure what the moral of the story is.
 
 Best,
 
 Chris
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Re: iPad

2013-12-07 Thread Matthew Carello
Me and my wife recently upgraded to the iPhone 5s. We each got a Mophie air 
juice pack\. These are awesome. They do not make the phone to big and I 
actually like the style. With my normal use I started it on the charging part 
at 5:30 yesterday morning. After the charger part died it went to phone battery 
and is still going as I write this email. I used some gps, read, and did some 
social stuff on it. So far this battery pack looks really worth it.
On Dec 6, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:

 An extra battery pack on the phone is still much smaller than lugging an 
 iPad.
 Glenn
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:43 PM
 Subject: Re: iPad
 
 
 Not Phil but ok, I currently use my phone every day, therefore only
 getting two to three days battery life at a push. With the pad and this
 is just an example I could receive a notification on the phone but
 actually deal with it on the pad, therefore saving battery life on the
 phone.
 
 On 06/12/2013 01:12, Mary Otten wrote:
 Hi Phil,
 Aside from the different layout that you get on the iPad with some apps, 
 which some folks like and others don't, there are advantages to having 
 more than one device. It's sort of depends on how much you use your phone 
 every day. I know that I could not do everything on my phone that I do on 
 my phone plus my iPad, simply because the battery would run out. And I do 
 like the sound of the larger speaker or bigger cabinet or whatever it is 
 on the iPad. So I do most of my reading an radio listening on the pad.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over 
 an iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does 
 that isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?
 
 
 On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone
 thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear 
 it too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 
 inches, and the sound quality is great.
 So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to 
 go.
 Kind regards
 Chris.
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Watching videos on OS X 10.9 and Safari

2013-12-07 Thread Parham Doustdar
Hi all,

I can’t see any controls while watching a video on Youtube. Is there a way to 
watch Youtube videos with Os X 10.9 Mavericks?

Thanks.
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