mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu

2014-06-24 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Hello to all. I did not change anything that I can recall but I believe mail 
might have a memory leak.

I have been noticing that now when I start mail it takes up over 100 percent of 
my cpu. I have a sample; of the process which I will attach to this message via 
dropbox. A restart does not fix it. It will spike  and stay at 100 percent over 
the course of the time mail is launched. Advice?



sample link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/or2hkajmhs4ywum/sample%20of%20mail%2006-23-2014.txt

Hth.


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Re: Can't get drive door open

2014-06-24 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
According to the list of start-up commands on the Apple support site, 
holding eject or f12 or the mouse at start-up will eject any removable 
media present such as optical discs. Also check this out! You know the c 
command? Well that will even start from a bootable thumb drive such as 
OS X install media!


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On 24/06/2014 04:01, John Gunn wrote:

Hi,

With the computer off hold in the mouse, and while holding hit the power 
button.  Keep holding and you should here it come out but only a guess.


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I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd in and 
now I can’t get the door open.  I may have put it in upside down.  At any rate, 
the eject button doesn’t show up.  I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in 
again but I still can’t get the door to open.  What can I try?

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Re: Can't get drive door open

2014-06-24 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
On a Macbook Pro or Macbook Air it's the key to the right of F12. Can't 
help if you have an iMac or Mac Pro.


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On 24/06/2014 02:59, Juaanita Marttin wrote:

Where is the eject button?  I was trying to use the command in iTunes?
On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:


Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive 
should open and eject whatever CD is inside.
Best,
Zack.
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I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd in and 
now I can’t get the door open.  I may have put it in upside down.  At any rate, 
the eject button doesn’t show up.  I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in 
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Re: Can't get drive door open

2014-06-24 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

I didn't think Macbook Air have an optical drive?

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On 24/06/2014 02:35, Zachary Kline wrote:

Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive 
should open and eject whatever CD is inside.
Best,
Zack.
On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:


I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd in and 
now I can’t get the door open.  I may have put it in upside down.  At any rate, 
the eject button doesn’t show up.  I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in 
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RE: Can't get drive door open

2014-06-24 Thread David Griffith

I assume that as the poster said that in an effort to remedy the problem
that they had unplugged and plugged in the drive they are referring to an
external drive.

David Griffith
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Hallsworth
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To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Can't get drive door open

I didn't think Macbook Air have an optical drive?

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On 24/06/2014 02:35, Zachary Kline wrote:
 Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the
drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net
wrote:

 I'm in the process of putting my cd's onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd
in and now I can't get the door open.  I may have put it in upside down.  At
any rate, the eject button doesn't show up.  I unplugged the drive and then
plugged it in again but I still can't get the door to open.  What can I try?

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Re: Can't get drive door open

2014-06-24 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

I must have missed that one. My bad.

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On 24/06/2014 07:45, David Griffith wrote:


I assume that as the poster said that in an effort to remedy the problem
that they had unplugged and plugged in the drive they are referring to an
external drive.

David Griffith
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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: 24 June 2014 07:39
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Can't get drive door open

I didn't think Macbook Air have an optical drive?

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 24/06/2014 02:35, Zachary Kline wrote:

Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the

drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside.

Best,
Zack.
On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net

wrote:



I'm in the process of putting my cd's onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd

in and now I can't get the door open.  I may have put it in upside down.  At
any rate, the eject button doesn't show up.  I unplugged the drive and then
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Emacs accessibility under OS X

2014-06-24 Thread Jason White
A few notes for those who haven't tried this yet:

1. The graphical (i.e., Cocoa) version of Emacs 24.3 is not accessible with
VoiceOver. I can run emacs.app, but VoiceOver only identifies the name of the
Emacs buffer. It can't access the text or the echo area of the editor window,
for example.

2. Emacs in a terminal is relatively accessible with VoiceOver. (I need this
for the benefit of my braille display, hence the interest.) My next step will
be to try to get Emacspeak to run, once I've installed the prerequisites and
dealt with any problems that arise.

3. If you're using Emacs in a terminal, you have to open the terminal
preferences, choose the keyboard tab, and select the checkbox to use the
option key as the meta key. Otherwise, pressing the option key in combination
with other keys will insert characters into your text instead of invoking
Emacs commands.

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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

2014-06-24 Thread Christian Schoepplein
Hi,

On Di, Jun 24, 2014 at 09:34:15 +1000, Sean Murphy wrote:
I think we should compile the short comings of the terminal app and 
send them to Apple Accessibility. They might or might not know the 
short comings. 

Good idea. IMHO only a few little things have to be fixed that VO can a 
good screenreader for the terminal too.

Cheers,

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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

2014-06-24 Thread Christian Schoepplein
On Di, Jun 24, 2014 at 09:54:37 +1000, Jason White wrote:
Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 I also wish to install EmacSpeak if it uses the Apple speech to learn it. Is 
 there a simple how to guide on configuring the Mac and EmacSpeak?

http://e-mac-speak.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/e-mac-speak-howto.org

Thanks for this link.

Another solution to have a good system with good support for textbased 
enviroments is to install a virtual machine with linux and for example 
speakup.

I use this aproach at the moment because of the mensioned problems with 
VO in the terminal, it works good for me, but ofcourse it would be 
better not to use a vm.

Cheers,

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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

2014-06-24 Thread Jason White
Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote:
 
 Thanks for this link.
 

My pleasure.
 Another solution to have a good system with good support for textbased 
 enviroments is to install a virtual machine with linux and for example 
 speakup.
 

Yes, I have friends who have done this, but they also have other reasons to
run virtual machines.
 I use this aproach at the moment because of the mensioned problems with 
 VO in the terminal, it works good for me, but ofcourse it would be 
 better not to use a vm.
 

Yes, unless you're doing it for other reasons of course. Apparently, BRLTTY
can also be made to work in a virtual machine under OS X. Furthermore,,, you
can run Linux directly on some Mac hardware, dual-booted with OS X or by
completely replacing OS X with Linux. I've never tried this, but I've read
about it.

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RE: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu

2014-06-24 Thread David Griffith
I think I  have a similar problem.

Basically when Mail starts my Mac becomes completely non responsive for
about 30  - 60  seconds. Once  it is loaded it is very snappy but is  if I
command tab away from it the non-responsiveness returns.

Let me know if you get any solutions. .

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 24 June 2014 07:04
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu

Hello to all. I did not change anything that I can recall but I believe mail
might have a memory leak.

I have been noticing that now when I start mail it takes up over 100 percent
of my cpu. I have a sample; of the process which I will attach to this
message via dropbox. A restart does not fix it. It will spike  and stay at
100 percent over the course of the time mail is launched. Advice?



sample link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/or2hkajmhs4ywum/sample%20of%20mail%2006-23-2014.tx
t

Hth.


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Re: Can't get drive door open

2014-06-24 Thread Juaanita Marttin
It’s a slot loading drive so technically, I guess it doesn’t have a door but 
I’m glad you all knew what I meant.

On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm. Ok, I guess that works. I've never heard of that hapepning, but glad you 
 got it out.
 
 Nowwhen you say door what do you mean as yoru drive unless you have a 
 differen one shoudl be slot loading.
 
 Take care and glad you did get it solved.
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I held the button down and the Mac shut down but when I logged back in, I 
 found the drive on the desktop and did the cmd E and the door popped open.
 Thanks everyone for the help.
 
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 They do have an eject button but if you hold it down it shuts off the 
 computer, or it gives  that option anyway. it feels weird but there you  go.
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:
 
 Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m 
 seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it 
 show up on your desktop?
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 Where is the eject button?  I was trying to use the command in iTunes?  
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:
 
 Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the 
 drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin 
 jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 
 I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd 
 in and now I can’t get the door open.  I may have put it in upside 
 down.  At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up.  I unplugged the 
 drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to 
 open.  What can I try?
 
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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

2014-06-24 Thread Christian Schoepplein
Hi Jason,

On Di, Jun 24, 2014 at 06:49:14 +1000, Jason White wrote:
Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote:
 Another solution to have a good system with good support for textbased 
 enviroments is to install a virtual machine with linux and for example 
 speakup.
 
Yes, I have friends who have done this, but they also have other reasons to
run virtual machines.

Yes, I also have to run Win7 in a VM for several tasks, so the better 
terminal support and a good linux screenreader is not the only reason 
for VMware Fusion on my Mac OS host system :-).

 I use this aproach at the moment because of the mensioned problems with 
 VO in the terminal, it works good for me, but ofcourse it would be 
 better not to use a vm.

Yes, unless you're doing it for other reasons of course. Apparently, BRLTTY
can also be made to work in a virtual machine under OS X. Furthermore,,, you
can run Linux directly on some Mac hardware, dual-booted with OS X or by
completely replacing OS X with Linux. I've never tried this, but I've read
about it.

Yes, I know of all that possebilities, but for me one reason to use Mac 
OS was that it is a stable and modern system with good screen reader 
support for the graphical environment, which is much better then the 
support for graphic mode in linux with gnome and orca. Aditionaly I 
hoped that also the terminal can be used without big problems, I'm 
administrating many linux systems in my job and I have to do many tasks 
via shell, but unfortunatly there are the problems we allready discussed 
before :-(. 

Better terminal support with VoiceOver would be great, then Mac OS would 
be the perfect system for my needs...

Cheers,

  Christian

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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

2014-06-24 Thread Travis Siegel
As mentioned before, search the list archives.  I posted a message  
here a couple years ago (in the leopard days) with a configuration  
that makes vo work better with terminal.  It's largely a matter of  
changing the cursor type, and changing things to track that new type  
of cursor.  It's relatively simple to modify settings on the fly too,  
if you're in a program like mutt, pine, or something similar that uses  
highlight tracking, the terminal has a setting for that, just change  
your cursor type, and all works well.  Admittedly, it's irritating to  
have to keep switching back and forth, but since I don't have the  
latest osx, I can't work on a solution for that.
I use terminal daily, and have very very few issues with it, and I'm  
still using leopard on this imac, though I have used snowleopard, and  
found few (if any) differences in terminal access.


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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

2014-06-24 Thread Christian Schöpplein
Hi,

Am 24.06.2014 um 18:01 schrieb Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com:
 As mentioned before, search the list archives.  I posted a message here a 
 couple years ago (in the leopard days) with a configuration that makes vo 
 work better with terminal.  It's largely a matter of changing the cursor 
 type, and changing things to track that new type of cursor.  It's relatively 
 simple to modify settings on the fly too, if you're in a program like mutt, 
 pine, or something similar that uses highlight tracking, the terminal has a 
 setting for that, just change your cursor type, and all works well.

Unfortunatly not for me, but I’ll take a look at your description, maybe I 
missed something.

Here is the direct link to your mail in the archive:

http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2010/004769.html

Cheers,

  Christian


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Keep On Trucking'

2014-06-24 Thread Gordon, Lynne Tracy
Hello everybody

At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that you 
all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.

Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
and myself.

I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the PC 
and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.

Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
you’re happy with standard settings.

Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
please feel free to let us know.

And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free E-Mail 
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to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to allocate free 
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Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.

Warm regards

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Re: Keep On Trucking'

2014-06-24 Thread Lovette Yewchan
Yes I would like to remain as well.
Lovette Yewchan

On Jun 24, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy supp...@mac-access.net 
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 Hello everybody
 
 At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
 responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
 respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that 
 you all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.
 
 Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
 and myself.
 
 I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the 
 PC and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.
 
 Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
 settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
 you’re happy with standard settings.
 
 Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
 name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
 you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
 please feel free to let us know.
 
 And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free 
 E-Mail system. If you’re looking for a new E-Mail address, or if you’d just 
 like one to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to 
 allocate free accounts as long as they are non-commercial.
 
 Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.
 
 Warm regards
 
 Lynne
 
 
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More On Our Plans

2014-06-24 Thread Gordon, Lynne Tracy
Hello everybody

The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. That is 
just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.

This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the new 
group. As you’re subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as you were 
when you joined the group. Despite this, please don’t start posting to the new 
address until we tell you that it’s operational. Further, there will be a short 
outage of service. This is inevitable as Gordon changes the DNS settings for 
the domains over to the new servers. Usually, your provider will pick up the 
change quite quickly; but it isn’t unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 
hours for it to happen with some of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems 
only poll one of the 13 global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, 
however, it only takes a matter of minutes.

Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name servers 
and IP addresses so that they don’t have to keep continually polling the 
provider’s servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless you know how to 
disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system’s IP stack rules, 
there isn’t much that you can do about it other than rebooting.

Anyway, please don’t panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
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everybody.

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Re: More On Our Plans

2014-06-24 Thread Margaret Booth
Hi! Lynn

Can you please send me your original email about changing the email list or the 
email address so I can let you know that I want to move to the new list. 

Margaret 


Sent from my iPhone

 On 25 Jun 2014, at 8:04 am, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy supp...@mac-access.net 
 wrote:
 
 Hello everybody
 
 The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. That 
 is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.
 
 This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
 new group. As you’re subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as you 
 were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don’t start posting to 
 the new address until we tell you that it’s operational. Further, there will 
 be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as Gordon changes the DNS 
 settings for the domains over to the new servers. Usually, your provider will 
 pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn’t unknown for it to take between 
 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some of the most rigid providers whose 
 DNS systems only poll one of the 13 global NS systems once or twice a day. In 
 the norm, however, it only takes a matter of minutes.
 
 Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
 same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
 reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name servers 
 and IP addresses so that they don’t have to keep continually polling the 
 provider’s servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless you know how 
 to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system’s IP stack 
 rules, there isn’t much that you can do about it other than rebooting.
 
 Anyway, please don’t panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
 bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
 eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you to 
 tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care about 
 our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible for 
 everybody.
 
 Warmest regards
 
 Lynne
 
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Re: More On Our Plans

2014-06-24 Thread don bishop
I would also like to move to the new list location and misplaced the original 
message. Please post again if 

possible.

Thanks,
Don


- Original Message -
From: Margaret Booth margaretebo...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: More On Our Plans



 Hi! Lynn
 
 Can you please send me your original email about changing the email list or 
 the email address so I can let you know that I want to move to the new list. 
 
 Margaret 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 25 Jun 2014, at 8:04 am, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy 
  supp...@mac-access.net wrote:
  
  Hello everybody
  
  The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. 
  That is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.
  
  This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
  new group. As you're subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as 
  you were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don't start 
  posting to the new address until we tell you that it's operational. 
  Further, there will be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as 
  Gordon changes the DNS settings for the domains over to the new servers. 
  Usually, your provider will pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn't 
  unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some 
  of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems only poll one of the 13 
  global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, however, it only takes 
  a matter of minutes.
  
  Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
  same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
  reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name 
  servers and IP addresses so that they don't have to keep continually 
  polling the provider's servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless 
  you know how to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system's 
  IP stack rules, there isn't much that you can do about it other than 
  rebooting.
  
  Anyway, please don't panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
  bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
  eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you 
  to tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care 
  about our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible 
  for everybody.
  
  Warmest regards
  
  Lynne
  
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Re: More On Our Plans

2014-06-24 Thread Bryan Jones
Here’s a link to Lynn’s original message. For future reference, all Mac-Access 
emails are available from two message archives, both of which can be reached 
from links provided at the bottom of each Mac-Access List email.

http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2014-June/042492.html

HTH,
Bryan

On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:45 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:

 I would also like to move to the new list location and misplaced the original 
 message. Please post again if 
 
 possible.
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Margaret Booth margaretebo...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:41 pm
 Subject: Re: More On Our Plans
 
 
 
 Hi! Lynn
 
 Can you please send me your original email about changing the email list or 
 the email address so I can let you know that I want to move to the new list. 
 
 Margaret 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 25 Jun 2014, at 8:04 am, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy 
 supp...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello everybody
 
 The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. 
 That is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.
 
 This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
 new group. As you're subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as 
 you were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don't start 
 posting to the new address until we tell you that it's operational. 
 Further, there will be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as 
 Gordon changes the DNS settings for the domains over to the new servers. 
 Usually, your provider will pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn't 
 unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some 
 of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems only poll one of the 13 
 global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, however, it only takes 
 a matter of minutes.
 
 Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
 same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
 reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name 
 servers and IP addresses so that they don't have to keep continually 
 polling the provider's servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless 
 you know how to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system's 
 IP stack rules, there isn't much that you can do about it other than 
 rebooting.
 
 Anyway, please don't panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
 bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
 eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you 
 to tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care 
 about our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible 
 for everybody.
 
 Warmest regards
 
 Lynne
 
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 To reply to this post, 

Re: Keep On Trucking'

2014-06-24 Thread Matthew Carello
hello there. I do apologize I must have miss an email. i would like to stay on 
the list. Thanks. no special settings.
On Jun 24, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy supp...@mac-access.net 
wrote:

 Hello everybody
 
 At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
 responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
 respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that 
 you all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.
 
 Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
 and myself.
 
 I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the 
 PC and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.
 
 Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
 settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
 you’re happy with standard settings.
 
 Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
 name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
 you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
 please feel free to let us know.
 
 And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free 
 E-Mail system. If you’re looking for a new E-Mail address, or if you’d just 
 like one to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to 
 allocate free accounts as long as they are non-commercial.
 
 Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.
 
 Warm regards
 
 Lynne
 
 
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Scanning with the Epson scanner and Fine Reader

2014-06-24 Thread Juaanita Marttin
I just got my new Epson scanner and I installed the Fine Reader software.  I 
think I have the settings where I want them but how do you just scan in stuff 
like snail mail.  I did a test document but how do you listen to what you’ve 
scanned in?  I’m coming from a K1000 and Windows environment.  

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Re: Scanning with the Epson scanner and Fine Reader

2014-06-24 Thread Phil Halton
you read the scanned material in another app like Textedit. I have things setup 
so that when I finish a scan, FineReader converts the pages and then opens 
textedit with the scanned document for reading.
There is no facility for reading scanned documents inside FineReader as far as 
I know. It is just for scanning and converting to text.

On Jun 24, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 I just got my new Epson scanner and I installed the Fine Reader software.  I 
 think I have the settings where I want them but how do you just scan in stuff 
 like snail mail.  I did a test document but how do you listen to what you’ve 
 scanned in?  I’m coming from a K1000 and Windows environment.  
 
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Re: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu

2014-06-24 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Well, here is my load avrage when my mac is on. Bleh!

uptime
17:49  up 11 days, 23:16, 2 users, load averages: 2.80 2.31 1.98


Yeah tha'ts grose, and shoudl be taken care of. It seems like it is calming 
down but if not I might restart the system and cry as my record of about 15 
days will not be broken again. lol!

Take care.
On Jun 24, 2014, at 1:51 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 I think I  have a similar problem.
 
 Basically when Mail starts my Mac becomes completely non responsive for
 about 30  - 60  seconds. Once  it is loaded it is very snappy but is  if I
 command tab away from it the non-responsiveness returns.
 
 Let me know if you get any solutions. .
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
 Sent: 24 June 2014 07:04
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
 Subject: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu
 
 Hello to all. I did not change anything that I can recall but I believe mail
 might have a memory leak.
 
 I have been noticing that now when I start mail it takes up over 100 percent
 of my cpu. I have a sample; of the process which I will attach to this
 message via dropbox. A restart does not fix it. It will spike  and stay at
 100 percent over the course of the time mail is launched. Advice?
 
 
 
 sample link:
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/or2hkajmhs4ywum/sample%20of%20mail%2006-23-2014.tx
 t
 
 Hth.
 
 
 Sarah Alawami
 
 MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
 skype: marrie1 (please let me know where you know me from in the message
 box).
 
 website: http://alawamiproductions.com
 Portfolio: http://alawamiproductions.com/listen
 Podcast: http://tffppodcast.com/listen
 youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
 
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Re: More On Our Plans

2014-06-24 Thread Michael Maslo

I would like to stay on the list also


On June 24, 2014 5:05:20 PM Gordon, Lynne  Tracy 
supp...@mac-access.net wrote:



Hello everybody

The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. 
That is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.


This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
new group. As you’re subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as 
you were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don’t start 
posting to the new address until we tell you that it’s operational. 
Further, there will be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as 
Gordon changes the DNS settings for the domains over to the new servers. 
Usually, your provider will pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn’t 
unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some 
of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems only poll one of the 13 
global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, however, it only takes 
a matter of minutes.


Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name 
servers and IP addresses so that they don’t have to keep continually 
polling the provider’s servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless 
you know how to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system’s 
IP stack rules, there isn’t much that you can do about it other than rebooting.


Anyway, please don’t panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you 
to tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care 
about our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible 
for everybody.


Warmest regards

Lynne

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Re: Scanning with the Epson scanner and Fine Reader

2014-06-24 Thread Juaanita Marttin
Pages came up automatically.  I wish I had known that you couldn’t scan and 
read with Fine Reader and the scanner before I purchased them.

I guess that’s what happens when one assumes.

On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

 you read the scanned material in another app like Textedit. I have things 
 setup so that when I finish a scan, FineReader converts the pages and then 
 opens textedit with the scanned document for reading.
 There is no facility for reading scanned documents inside FineReader as far 
 as I know. It is just for scanning and converting to text.
 
 On Jun 24, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just got my new Epson scanner and I installed the Fine Reader software.  I 
 think I have the settings where I want them but how do you just scan in 
 stuff like snail mail.  I did a test document but how do you listen to what 
 you’ve scanned in?  I’m coming from a K1000 and Windows environment.  
 
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Re: Server Transition: IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ!

2014-06-24 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I would like to stay on here too, for the time being.
Jake
JAKE JOEHL
jajo...@att.net



On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Jessica Benzing jb...@me.com wrote:

But I am on the list. Just please don't take me off?  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry for confusing your name with someone else's. Please accept my apology. 
 
 Eileen
 On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy 
 supp...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello everybody
 
 As some of you may be aware, we have been planning for some time to migrate 
 the Mac Access server to a new physical server system and also to a new DNS 
 host. This involves a very great deal of work on our part and I’d like to 
 tell you a little bit about why that is the case.
 
 For some time now, we have been experiencing a problem with the server 
 administration tools we used to use to help us administrate both the member 
 listing for all of our groups, and also other vital server configurational 
 data. The net result of these problems is that the member listing is not 
 visible to us at all, neither is any of the other server data, or the list 
 data itself.  Therefore, the only access we have to the list configuration 
 is that which every user has to their own specific configuration. Without 
 going into too much technical detail, Gordon keeps having to manually 
 rebuild the Open Directory database because there’s a problem somewhere in 
 the system and it keeps causing corruption. The GUI-based administration 
 tools are useless so Gordon needs to use the Terminal and command line tools 
 to keep this airplane flying! Indeed, Apple’s own engineering staff have 
 been unable to determine the cause of the problem and their ultimate advice 
 was to simply trash the server instance totally and rebuild it from the 
 ground up with a new OS install. That is fine in principle, but we are keen 
 to retain as much information as possible in order to minimise inconvenience 
 to our clients and group members. Please know that even those of you who are 
 not our direct clients are important to us. Although our first duty is to 
 those for whom we host services, we regard all of our members as part of 
 what we do. Anyway I am babbling. e h
 
 This means that, in order to obtain the address of each user, along with any 
 specific configuration settings they may have set, we have to 
 effectivelyΩzsw log in as though we were that user via the web interface at 
 http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/your-address@your-host.whatever/.
  Aside from this, we’re going to have to manually replicate all of the 
 generic list data onthe new server for every single one of the groups 
 hosted here. This, believe me, is no easy task; as some of the groups used 
 by our commercial clients use very highly configured virtual hosts. One of 
 our most valued non-commercial clients has multilingual options configured 
 which we are also very keen to replicate. We shall be in touch with that 
 client directly shortly to discuss the way forward for them.
 
 Gordon has spent most of this weekend working behind the scenes in the room 
 from which we run all of our servers; (I’ve almost forgotten what he looks 
 like! ;-)); on the new system, and even as I write he estimates that several 
 more days will elapse before we’re ready to even test the new system 
 locally, let alone expose it to the Internet. Why am I telling you all this? 
 It’s really quite simple. We require, and would very much appreciate, your 
 assistance.
 
 It would make our lives far easier if you as list members would take a 
 moment to drop us a line privately, using the support address 
 supp...@mac-access.net to let us know whether or not you anticipate or 
 intend to remain a member of this group in the medium to long term, or even 
 whether you wish us to add you to the new system at all. As well as this, we 
 would be grateful if you would please let us have details of any specific 
 settings you have configured on our server. For instance, if you are using 
 digest mode to receive messages in bulk, whether you have a system password 
 configured which overrides the default, etc.. Of course, when the new 
 instance goes live, you will be able to modify your own configuration once 
 you’ve been subscribed. We are simply trying to save you the work and 
 minimise your inconvenience. :)
 
 We have not far short of 500 members in this group alone now, and it would 
 be a horrendously laborious task for Gordon to use the web interface to 
 inspect every single user’s individual configuration; especially since the 
 majority of users have never changed any settings. You may say “why not just 
 use the defaults then?” That in theory may save time. But we are anxious to 
 have the transition be as seamless as possible for everybody and, therefore, 
 we’d like to have this data available in a database which I shall be 
 compiling 

Re: Server Transition: IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ!

2014-06-24 Thread Mark
My intention is to stay connected. It would be great, however, if I could be 
referred to the beginning or intermediate list? I want to stay connected, even 
though most of what goes across this list, is for people that even using the 
Mac for quite some time. Would be great to find someplace to ask questions to 
learn how to become a more expert at Mac. Movie from a PC environment. Moving 
because, my experience with iOS was great.
arosind...@me.com 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:32 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:

I would like to stay on here too, for the time being.
Jake
JAKE JOEHL
jajo...@att.net



On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Jessica Benzing jb...@me.com wrote:

But I am on the list. Just please don't take me off?  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry for confusing your name with someone else's. Please accept my apology. 
 
 Eileen
 On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy 
 supp...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello everybody
 
 As some of you may be aware, we have been planning for some time to migrate 
 the Mac Access server to a new physical server system and also to a new DNS 
 host. This involves a very great deal of work on our part and I’d like to 
 tell you a little bit about why that is the case.
 
 For some time now, we have been experiencing a problem with the server 
 administration tools we used to use to help us administrate both the member 
 listing for all of our groups, and also other vital server configurational 
 data. The net result of these problems is that the member listing is not 
 visible to us at all, neither is any of the other server data, or the list 
 data itself.  Therefore, the only access we have to the list configuration 
 is that which every user has to their own specific configuration. Without 
 going into too much technical detail, Gordon keeps having to manually 
 rebuild the Open Directory database because there’s a problem somewhere in 
 the system and it keeps causing corruption. The GUI-based administration 
 tools are useless so Gordon needs to use the Terminal and command line tools 
 to keep this airplane flying! Indeed, Apple’s own engineering staff have 
 been unable to determine the cause of the problem and their ultimate advice 
 was to simply trash the server instance totally and rebuild it from the 
 ground up with a new OS install. That is fine in principle, but we are keen 
 to retain as much information as possible in order to minimise inconvenience 
 to our clients and group members. Please know that even those of you who are 
 not our direct clients are important to us. Although our first duty is to 
 those for whom we host services, we regard all of our members as part of 
 what we do. Anyway I am babbling. e h
 
 This means that, in order to obtain the address of each user, along with any 
 specific configuration settings they may have set, we have to 
 effectivelyΩzsw log in as though we were that user via the web interface at 
 http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/your-address@your-host.whatever/.
  Aside from this, we’re going to have to manually replicate all of the 
 generic list data onthe new server for every single one of the groups 
 hosted here. This, believe me, is no easy task; as some of the groups used 
 by our commercial clients use very highly configured virtual hosts. One of 
 our most valued non-commercial clients has multilingual options configured 
 which we are also very keen to replicate. We shall be in touch with that 
 client directly shortly to discuss the way forward for them.
 
 Gordon has spent most of this weekend working behind the scenes in the room 
 from which we run all of our servers; (I’ve almost forgotten what he looks 
 like! ;-)); on the new system, and even as I write he estimates that several 
 more days will elapse before we’re ready to even test the new system 
 locally, let alone expose it to the Internet. Why am I telling you all this? 
 It’s really quite simple. We require, and would very much appreciate, your 
 assistance.
 
 It would make our lives far easier if you as list members would take a 
 moment to drop us a line privately, using the support address 
 supp...@mac-access.net to let us know whether or not you anticipate or 
 intend to remain a member of this group in the medium to long term, or even 
 whether you wish us to add you to the new system at all. As well as this, we 
 would be grateful if you would please let us have details of any specific 
 settings you have configured on our server. For instance, if you are using 
 digest mode to receive messages in bulk, whether you have a system password 
 configured which overrides the default, etc.. Of course, when the new 
 instance goes live, you will be able to modify your own configuration once 
 you’ve been subscribed. We are simply trying to save you the work and 
 minimise your inconvenience. :)
 
 We 

Re: Keep On Trucking'

2014-06-24 Thread Sean Murphy
Please keep me on the list. 

On 25 Jun 2014, at 6:02 am, Gordon, Lynne  Tracy supp...@mac-access.net 
wrote:

 Hello everybody
 
 At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
 responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
 respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that 
 you all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.
 
 Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
 and myself.
 
 I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the 
 PC and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.
 
 Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
 settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
 you’re happy with standard settings.
 
 Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
 name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
 you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
 please feel free to let us know.
 
 And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free 
 E-Mail system. If you’re looking for a new E-Mail address, or if you’d just 
 like one to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to 
 allocate free accounts as long as they are non-commercial.
 
 Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.
 
 Warm regards
 
 Lynne
 
 
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 Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by 
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We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable 
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