Re: Safari HTML Reference: Supported Accessibility Roles
HI, Does Webkit support any other ones. Regards, Alex, On 11-Jun-09, at 7:47 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good morning, The following document from the Apple developer's site lists the 17 ARIA roles that are supported in Safari 4. Note, that there are 59 ARIA roles in the draft ARIA recommendation. http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariHTMLRef/Articles/AccessibilityRoles.html HTH, Everett Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another Leopard Bug
Hi, This is not a bug, because the focus is placed on the text field. This is because that is where the focus is when you type the word. It is only logical that it should jump back to the toolbar. My feeling is that this is how it was intended, so that you could enter another word it you wished. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jun-09, at 1:47 PM, Gary W. Kelly wrote: Hi, Have any of you had the experience of being with another person who attracts bugs whenever outdoors? My wife will be bitten by mosquitos when I swear there are none around. In physical reality, I seldom attract any biting bugs, but in the virtual world, I have a talent that sometimes is a nuisance! An amazing number of them come my way. This is another bug I found in using VoiceOver a while ago. I was not quite up to speed at getting out in email, so here it is now, for those who may wish to know. This occurs in the main Dictionary for Leopard. -Gary From: Accessibility accessibil...@apple.com Subject: Re: Help with VoiceOver Hi Gary: I tried the Dictionary and there seems to be a bug that prevents it from reading the definitions. Here's what I did: After typing Apple, you'll get the list of results. You have to stop interacting with the search field or the VO cursor will be stuck inside the toolbar at the top of the window. Press Control-Option- Shift-UpArrow to stop interacting, then move the VO cursor right a few times until you hear scroll area or HTML content area. It changes depending on what's being displayed. When you hear this, press Control-Option-A to read the contents. You can press Control to stop on an item and use the VO arrow keys to move around the list. Pressing return selects it and changes the window to display the definition. Unfortunately, it also moves the VO cursor back to the search field (a bug). So, you have to stop interacting and move back down the the HTML content area to hear the definition. Pressing Control-Option-A starts to read the definition, but when I looked up Apple, it stuttered and had a problem reading. I'll make sure the engineers are notified. Sorry this happened to be one of the apps that doesn't seem to be working right. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adium
well, what is it then if ts nbot the time, it sounds like the time to me it says my name then the time of the message etc. On 12 Jun 2009, at 01:59, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, That isn't the time. I'm not sure what it is. Regards, Alex, On 11-Jun-09, at 10:41 AM, Wendy wrote: Hi, the other day i installed the update to safari and since then the time has been showing up on every message i type on adium. Does anyone know how i can change it so that the time don't show up on the messages please? Thank you. From Wendy. Member of www.tafn.org.uk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ITunes 8.2 and accessibility
Chris. Why are you asking on this mac list about iTunes access with jfw? This is a macintosh list not a jfw or other windows screen reader list. Take your questions non mac related to another list. - Original Message - From: Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: j...@freelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: ITunes 8.2 and accessibility I am curious to know if anyone has any clue what the scoop is on ITunes 8.2. I know it is somewhat inaccessible for some weird reason with jaws 10 on the windows side of things. I was curious if this issue ever as of yet has been addressed. I spoke to a product specialist at Apple, and he said he'd get back with me within 72 business hours. It's been way way way way! w'w'w'w'way!more than that now. Looks like I'm gonna have to call them, and chew another one onnem. Chris. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Hmm, let's see if i can formulate this so that it makes sence... I think that you have some valid points in what you're saying, however that info in the beginning about how to get help should, imho be optional, that is if it was there, you should be able to turn it on and off. I for one would be half crazy if i was to hear that info every time, even if i knew how to silence it with the ctrl key. However, for newbies, this info would be helpful. /Krister 12 jun 2009 kl. 04.40 skrev Mike Reiser: I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't mentioned accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I think the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I feel they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a welcome dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. Mike On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 or 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. Editing with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the article but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this fellow writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences and giving the program a fair crack, it would have been just as easy for him to take advantage of the good help available on this list:). On 11-Jun-09, at 9:20 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you started with the Mac, something you may not have had when you started to use Windows. I'm not suggesting the Mac isn't easier to learn but I may have a valid point also. At 01:04 11/06/2009, you wrote: You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since 2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did for me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the experience of the Mac and VoiceOver are so closely related, where the experience of the windows environement and the screen reader are not going to be the same. I guess the best way to say it is the screen reader does present things a little different than what a sighted user may experience and VO more closely represents the experience a sighted user gets. Hmmm, hope that made sense. :) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Strange Itunes problem.
Did you turn VO off/on? I noticed this when I upgraded, but once I turned VO off/on, the problem resolved itself. On Jun 11, 2009, at 9: --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
I think what is important is you learn how to navigate with VO and then learn the applications as would any other user regardless of their ability or disability. I may be recalling incorrectly since it has been years since I bothered reading the manual for Window-EYes, but I think generally it instructed me on how to use WE and not on how to use all the applications. Now it is possible because the keys required for WE possibly change some behavior of an app, they might have touched on the differences, but gee you know I couldn't tell you what impact the windows-based screen reader has on the windows experience. :) I understand some of what you are saying, but yet once you learn VO, you'll learn the apps very quickly. I started off when VO was really new, so I really had to read what info I could find and learn from there. You know it wasn't to bad and really hey when you think about it, a number of people have produced tutorials on how to use this or that screen reader and this or that application, sold them, and made money. You can do the same thing as well. Wait, maybe I should be doing that. :) On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't mentioned accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I think the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I feel they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a welcome dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. Mike On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 or 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. Editing with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the article but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this fellow writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences and giving the program a fair crack, it would have been just as easy for him to take advantage of the good help available on this list:). On 11-Jun-09, at 9:20 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you started with the Mac, something you may not have had when you started to use Windows. I'm not suggesting the Mac isn't easier to learn but I may have a valid point also. At 01:04 11/06/2009, you wrote: You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since 2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did for me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the experience of the Mac and VoiceOver are so closely related, where the experience of the windows environement and the screen reader are not going to be the same. I guess the best way to say it is the screen reader does present things a little different than what a sighted user may experience and VO more closely represents the experience a sighted user gets. Hmmm, hope that made sense. :) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
I agree, the welcome dialog will have an option to show at startup or not, there could also be an option to show help message at startup or something. My hope is that these help instructions will be put into the welcome screen. Mike On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hmm, let's see if i can formulate this so that it makes sence... I think that you have some valid points in what you're saying, however that info in the beginning about how to get help should, imho be optional, that is if it was there, you should be able to turn it on and off. I for one would be half crazy if i was to hear that info every time, even if i knew how to silence it with the ctrl key. However, for newbies, this info would be helpful. /Krister 12 jun 2009 kl. 04.40 skrev Mike Reiser: I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't mentioned accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I think the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I feel they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a welcome dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. Mike On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 or 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. Editing with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the article but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this fellow writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences and giving the program a fair crack, it would have been just as easy for him to take advantage of the good help available on this list:). On 11-Jun-09, at 9:20 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you started with the Mac, something you may not have had when you started to use Windows. I'm not suggesting the Mac isn't easier to learn but I may have a valid point also. At 01:04 11/06/2009, you wrote: You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since 2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did for me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the experience of the Mac and VoiceOver are so closely related, where the experience of the windows environement and the screen reader are not going to be the same. I guess the best way to say it is the screen reader does present things a little different than what a sighted user may experience and VO more closely represents the experience a sighted user gets. Hmmm, hope that made sense. :) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
trying read iris
Hi friends. I'm interested in trying Read Iris. I know it's been discussed before, so if you want to leave me any comments or suggestions off list, that's fine. Fraid I've gotten off to a bad start. I found the company's web site alright. I clicked downloads. Then I clicked demos, then I clicked the download link beside trial version for mac OSX. So far so good. Then I filled in my country of origin and my email, and I got a nice little email offering me a link to a flash movie demo showing how to use read iris, which is, quite frankly, not what was advertized, and sertainly not what I asked for. Then reading the fine print at the bottom I discover I've been cavoleerly subscribed to a company mailing list and I'll have to take action to get myself unsubscribed which is most disconserting. So, I am tourn. The email is offering me read iris for half price, and it's not all that expensive to begin with. Money is always tight here though, and I'm not sure I want to invest in a company that impresses me as being just a tidge high handed. This especially since I can't try the product for free before I buy it. I'm still semi-interested. To be honest, it would be nice not to have to go to windows every time I want to read something, which again to be honest isn't really often enough to justify having a copy of kurzweil around all the time. Plus, I'd like to demonstrate that there is a good scanning and reading solution for the mac. One of the companies I work for sells a fare amount of apple, and it would be nice to show this as part of the mac experience. I'd be greatful for simple reassurance if nothing else, preferably from actual users of the program. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The iphone and gps
The iPhone has GPS. GPS is separate from the Google Maps application that ships on the iPhone, which simply uses GPS to pin-point your location. GPS can be used for any number of things, and is not restricted to Google Maps. Apple states that the Maps app that ships with the iPhone is accessible with VoiceOver. Other applications from third-party developers is unknown at this time. Just wanted to clarify. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: The I phone does have gps but it's a system that works with google maps over the data connection to work. As for accessibility hel whos knows. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Strange Itunes problem.
Scott Howell wrote: Did you turn VO off/on? I noticed this when I upgraded, but once I turned VO off/on, the problem resolved itself. On Jun 11, 2009, at 9: I'll try that. Thanks for the help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IWorks
Dear Kerry, My name is Ben King and I have heard wonderful things about Iwork. It is quite accessible with Voiceover. There is a podcast explaining about Iwork. It is the Screenlesswitchers podcast 28. I hope this helps. Have a wonderful day. Blessings, Ben King On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Kerry Painter wrote: Hi Folks. I don't own a Mac yet but have been watching this list with great interest. Can somebody tell me a bit about IWorks and what it does and whether it is accessible using VO? Thanks. Kerry Probably the best kept financial secret in the UK What's it all about www.wiaa.co.uk/186269 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: tool to store and search several data
hi I am looking for a stats pakage that will work with vo? also I am intrested what can help this person as well. On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:29 PM, william windels wrote: Hello all, I am looking for a program to store different types of data and a quick way to search specific parts of thi data. For example: I would like to store all properties of different contacts like name, address, mail, phone, mobile... but also some extra notes like e.g. accountnr, website, bank-account, contactperson... So, if they are stored somewhere, I will have a quick why to see on the screen e.g. the bankaccount of person george by typing the name george. On linux , I was using the abook addressbook in combination with the mutt email-client. When I typed then the name of the person in the console, I received all the related information of this person on my screen. is there a solution on the mac? best regards, William Windels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
Hello All; I've just started a list called VIPhone, (Visually Impaired - IPhone) on GoogleGroups to discuss the new Apple IPhone 3GS. the url is: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone Please feel free to share this url anywhere you like, to anyone you feel might want to discuss this sort of thing. The list is both for those of us whom are early-adopters, as well as for anyone whom may have questions / political views etc on the new IPhone. As far as list etiquette goes, as far as I'm concerned, the list will reflect the character of its members. smile -You want flame wars, fine, have them! -Want a friendly, welcoming, well-informed list, then wonderful! You've got that! You'll have the list you create! If there's something drastic, and I need to step in as mod, then be assured, I will; other than that, -Be the list you want… Enjoy and let's explore the IPhone together!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trying read iris
Hello Eric, Readiris does a great job on OCR but is rubbish for scanning. I use a combination of VueScan with Readiris and the results are excellent. You can find a set up guide and user guide for VueScan with Readiris on: www.lioncourt.com or on: www.icanworkthisthing.com VueScan and Readiris work seamlessly together. After scanning, VueScan launches Readiris which then launches TextEdit. The whole process is explained in the user guide. Cheers, Anne On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:47 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi friends. I'm interested in trying Read Iris. I know it's been discussed before, so if you want to leave me any comments or suggestions off list, that's fine. Fraid I've gotten off to a bad start. I found the company's web site alright. I clicked downloads. Then I clicked demos, then I clicked the download link beside trial version for mac OSX. So far so good. Then I filled in my country of origin and my email, and I got a nice little email offering me a link to a flash movie demo showing how to use read iris, which is, quite frankly, not what was advertized, and sertainly not what I asked for. Then reading the fine print at the bottom I discover I've been cavoleerly subscribed to a company mailing list and I'll have to take action to get myself unsubscribed which is most disconserting. So, I am tourn. The email is offering me read iris for half price, and it's not all that expensive to begin with. Money is always tight here though, and I'm not sure I want to invest in a company that impresses me as being just a tidge high handed. This especially since I can't try the product for free before I buy it. I'm still semi-interested. To be honest, it would be nice not to have to go to windows every time I want to read something, which again to be honest isn't really often enough to justify having a copy of kurzweil around all the time. Plus, I'd like to demonstrate that there is a good scanning and reading solution for the mac. One of the companies I work for sells a fare amount of apple, and it would be nice to show this as part of the mac experience. I'd be greatful for simple reassurance if nothing else, preferably from actual users of the program. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
Hi there Simon Cavendish wrote Has there been a request for a separate list for IPhone? There has now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
Hi, I think the iPod is different than the iPhone. The iPhone is a much more dynamic platform and I think that there could be many messages about the iPhone both at the release and then over time. There is certainly a group of people on the current list that are only Mac users and may not want the bother of all the iPhone related traffic. On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: Why do we have to have a separate list for every single thing that happens regarding voiceover and such like? Are we going to have a separate list for Ipod too? It just fragments things and makes it impossible to follow things. But if that's what people want, that's fine with me. Has there been a request for a separate list for IPhone? Best wishes Simon On 12 Jun 2009, at 21:47, Cara Quinn wrote: Hello All; I've just started a list called VIPhone, (Visually Impaired - IPhone) on GoogleGroups to discuss the new Apple IPhone 3GS. the url is: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone Please feel free to share this url anywhere you like, to anyone you feel might want to discuss this sort of thing. The list is both for those of us whom are early-adopters, as well as for anyone whom may have questions / political views etc on the new IPhone. As far as list etiquette goes, as far as I'm concerned, the list will reflect the character of its members. smile -You want flame wars, fine, have them! -Want a friendly, welcoming, well-informed list, then wonderful! You've got that! You'll have the list you create! If there's something drastic, and I need to step in as mod, then be assured, I will; other than that, -Be the list you want… Enjoy and let's explore the IPhone together!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
Simon, I'll respond to you below. On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: Why do we have to have a separate list for every single thing that happens regarding voiceover and such like? Perhaps I'm not getting your tone right here, but Do we really need to be this touchy about every little thing? If you must know, I created that list not to shunt off discussions from here, but just because I wanted to! :) Neither you, nor anyone else here need join if you don't wish. Someone did ask me about the possibility of excess traffic over the IPhone, and if I thought another list was necessary, and I said no. - And I still don't… If you'd like to join the new list, then by all means, go right ahead. However, I will say that if there are a number of people who write me, frustrated with the traffic level concerning the IPhone if the list does get out of hand, then I most certainly will suggest that topics be moved there… Are we going to have a separate list for Ipod too? Your sarcasm aside, no, I wasn't planning on doing that; however, with all due respect, I'll set up whatever lists I choose to, and you're welcome to do the same, yes?… It just fragments things and makes it impossible to follow things. But if that's what people want, that's fine with me. I'd agree that too many lists on similar topics can fragment things but it's also good to have choices. If this is in fact, fine with you, then why, might I ask are you so upset?… :) Has there been a request for a separate list for IPhone? (See above) Simon, and All, please know that as list mod, I will do whatever is the best fit for this list as a whole. This, however, might rub some the wrong way. -But I'll do what's necessary to help the list run smoothly for all of us, or as many as possible, not just a few of us. Thanks for your note and have a nice weekend!… Sincerely, Cara :) Best wishes Simon On 12 Jun 2009, at 21:47, Cara Quinn wrote: Hello All; I've just started a list called VIPhone, (Visually Impaired - IPhone) on GoogleGroups to discuss the new Apple IPhone 3GS. the url is: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone Please feel free to share this url anywhere you like, to anyone you feel might want to discuss this sort of thing. The list is both for those of us whom are early-adopters, as well as for anyone whom may have questions / political views etc on the new IPhone. As far as list etiquette goes, as far as I'm concerned, the list will reflect the character of its members. smile -You want flame wars, fine, have them! -Want a friendly, welcoming, well-informed list, then wonderful! You've got that! You'll have the list you create! If there's something drastic, and I need to step in as mod, then be assured, I will; other than that, -Be the list you want… Enjoy and let's explore the IPhone together!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
strange issue with adium
Hi all. Has anyone else had problems with adium recently? I have the newest version, and am using the default server, I think it's hot mail. Anyway, it some times takes a really long time to connect, and some times doesn't connect at all. It was working fine before this started, and I haven't changed anything. I did try deleting and adding the account again but that didn't help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The iphone and gps
I wonder if the folks at way finder will develop a program for the Iphone, they already have Way Finder on several other platforms. On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: The iPhone has GPS. GPS is separate from the Google Maps application that ships on the iPhone, which simply uses GPS to pin-point your location. GPS can be used for any number of things, and is not restricted to Google Maps. Apple states that the Maps app that ships with the iPhone is accessible with VoiceOver. Other applications from third-party developers is unknown at this time. Just wanted to clarify. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: The I phone does have gps but it's a system that works with google maps over the data connection to work. As for accessibility hel whos knows. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari VS Webkit explanation
For what I know, Chrome doesn't work with VO. Don't ask me why... Because theoretically it should. On Jun 12, 2009, at 12:13 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: HI, If it is exposed so. The Mac Alpha's are out now. Regards, Alex, On 11-Jun-09, at 7:42 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: In theory I'm going to guess that chrome will be accessible too sense it's written with webkit? Mike On Jun 11, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: This explanation helps. Thank you. Brett On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Safari 3/4 are just the GUI which Apple places on top of Webkit. Think of Safari as the container you put food in when you go to a fancy container. YOu may add a Microwave feature to the container, etc. But if you leave food in it for a long time it won't taste quite as good as the latest trend in gormé cooking. Webkit is the powering engine of Safari and Google Chrome. It is like the food inside the container. Updating nightly Webkits and using Webkit VS Safari allows you to have the latest features in something that looks just like Safari. Now I am hungry and I must go eat. Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: strange issue with adium
The same thing happened to me, after I installed 10.5.7. Mail was also doing weird things, but somehow everything out of normal stopped happening at some point. Everything is perfect for me now. Isn't it weird? On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Hi all. Has anyone else had problems with adium recently? I have the newest version, and am using the default server, I think it's hot mail. Anyway, it some times takes a really long time to connect, and some times doesn't connect at all. It was working fine before this started, and I haven't changed anything. I did try deleting and adding the account again but that didn't help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Multi finger jestures and desktop Macs
Here's what I think, but this information might be wrong... All macbook aluminum models do have multi touch. The plastic ones don't. Am I wrong? On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Brent Harding wrote: Will the ones from October of 2008 support it? That's what I bought in March or so. - Original Message - From: Ignasi Cambra ignasicam...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Multi finger jestures and desktop Macs It's a hardware issue. I don't know if you already got the answer but oh well... I'm behind reading emails! On Jun 11, 2009, at 7:38 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: But is it a issue of there drivers not supporting multi touch or an actual hardware one? On 11/06/2009, Ignasi Cambra ignasicam...@gmail.com wrote: No, it probably won't work on older macbooks because their trackpads don't support multi tuch. On Jun 11, 2009, at 7:16 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Surely its just a software thing for all the mb's and mbp's though. On 11/06/2009, Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com wrote: Or for that matter, will older macbook and macbook pro models be left out. I'm pretty sure that the newer notebooks use different touch pad technology. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Dean Wilcox wrote: Hi, I've been on this list for what feels like a long time, I want a Mac but my Windows PC just keeps going so I haven't justified it yet. I was reading the accessibility page relating to the up and coming Snow Leopard and was interested to read about the different finger jestures and ways that Voice Over will make use of the trackpad. I'm refering to the two sections now the trackpad is the screen and the rotor, both of which are headings. Are desktop Macs getting left behind in this respect? Here is the link: http://www.apple.com/macosx/accessibility/ -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Attention Syrinx users!
Hmmm, not sure what that is, when I tried to open that page, got a page that Safari couldn't find the server? On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: Hi everyone. Apparently the twitter client Syrinx is being effected by the Twitpocalypse. If you don't know what that is, a description is here. http://www.twitpocalypse.com/ Until this gets fixed, you'll have to switch back to either twitterific or twitterpod. Darcy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Attention Syrinx users!
Or rather, that it couldn't connect to it? On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hmmm, not sure what that is, when I tried to open that page, got a page that Safari couldn't find the server? On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: Hi everyone. Apparently the twitter client Syrinx is being effected by the Twitpocalypse. If you don't know what that is, a description is here. http://www.twitpocalypse.com/ Until this gets fixed, you'll have to switch back to either twitterific or twitterpod. Darcy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Also, if more documentation is required, Really what would stop one or two of us from building a document ourselves and making it available? If we want to leave feature implimentation to apple, between most of us on the list proactive written documentation available and offered to apple to distribute might provide the much needed touch that some of the blind community may prefer from their own members. Just a thought. On 12-Jun-09, at 8:42 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: I totally agree. I think the VO quick start that exists in Leopard is enough, because it shows you how to navigate all kinds of controls, which in the end are the ones you find all over OS X and most applications. So what's wrong with it? Personally I found it very useful, along with the keyboard help feature. When I first started using a Mac, I could do pretty much everything after a couple of hours working on it. I mean I don't think more documentation would hurt, but I would rather let those people work on actual features than putting them to write documentation... On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Scott Howell wrote: I think what is important is you learn how to navigate with VO and then learn the applications as would any other user regardless of their ability or disability. I may be recalling incorrectly since it has been years since I bothered reading the manual for Window-EYes, but I think generally it instructed me on how to use WE and not on how to use all the applications. Now it is possible because the keys required for WE possibly change some behavior of an app, they might have touched on the differences, but gee you know I couldn't tell you what impact the windows-based screen reader has on the windows experience. :) I understand some of what you are saying, but yet once you learn VO, you'll learn the apps very quickly. I started off when VO was really new, so I really had to read what info I could find and learn from there. You know it wasn't to bad and really hey when you think about it, a number of people have produced tutorials on how to use this or that screen reader and this or that application, sold them, and made money. You can do the same thing as well. Wait, maybe I should be doing that. :) On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't mentioned accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I think the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I feel they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a welcome dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. Mike On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 or 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. Editing with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the article but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this fellow writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences and giving the program a fair crack, it would have been just as easy for him to take advantage of the good help available on this list:). On 11-Jun-09, at 9:20 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you started with the Mac, something you may not have had when you started to use Windows. I'm not suggesting the Mac
Re: Attention Syrinx users!
oh it seems like it is cause it's telling me when the lext tweets will be but none ever come. On 6/12/09, Dan Eickmeier va3...@yahoo.ca wrote: Or rather, that it couldn't connect to it? On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hmmm, not sure what that is, when I tried to open that page, got a page that Safari couldn't find the server? On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: Hi everyone. Apparently the twitter client Syrinx is being effected by the Twitpocalypse. If you don't know what that is, a description is here. http://www.twitpocalypse.com/ Until this gets fixed, you'll have to switch back to either twitterific or twitterpod. Darcy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Like I said I'm not sure what the right solution is. I think there should at least be a basic tutorial that covers the use of vo with the finder maybe and other things. Again I really don't know how this will be balanced or solved. Mike On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: I totally agree. I think the VO quick start that exists in Leopard is enough, because it shows you how to navigate all kinds of controls, which in the end are the ones you find all over OS X and most applications. So what's wrong with it? Personally I found it very useful, along with the keyboard help feature. When I first started using a Mac, I could do pretty much everything after a couple of hours working on it. I mean I don't think more documentation would hurt, but I would rather let those people work on actual features than putting them to write documentation... On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Scott Howell wrote: I think what is important is you learn how to navigate with VO and then learn the applications as would any other user regardless of their ability or disability. I may be recalling incorrectly since it has been years since I bothered reading the manual for Window-EYes, but I think generally it instructed me on how to use WE and not on how to use all the applications. Now it is possible because the keys required for WE possibly change some behavior of an app, they might have touched on the differences, but gee you know I couldn't tell you what impact the windows-based screen reader has on the windows experience. :) I understand some of what you are saying, but yet once you learn VO, you'll learn the apps very quickly. I started off when VO was really new, so I really had to read what info I could find and learn from there. You know it wasn't to bad and really hey when you think about it, a number of people have produced tutorials on how to use this or that screen reader and this or that application, sold them, and made money. You can do the same thing as well. Wait, maybe I should be doing that. :) On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't mentioned accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I think the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I feel they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a welcome dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. Mike On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 or 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. Editing with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the article but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this fellow writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences and giving the program a fair crack, it would have been just as easy for him to take advantage of the good help available on this list:). On 11-Jun-09, at 9:20 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you started with the Mac, something you may not have had when you started to use Windows. I'm not suggesting the Mac isn't easier to learn but I may have a valid point also. At 01:04 11/06/2009, you wrote: You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since 2005 and quite
Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
I don't have a problem with a seperate iphone list. I can see where both sides are comeing from, but I don't have a problem either way. Mike On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: I think it's a good idea. Not everyone that owns a Mac necessarily wants to know about the iPhone, and vice versa. In my case I just send everything from vo-bs, macvoiceover and macvisionaries to the same mailbox using a rule, so many times I don't even pay attention to the list I'm reading. So the iPhone list will probably go to that mailbox too. This works great for me. On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Justin Harford wrote: HiI would like to see a separate list for iphone discussions. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hello All; I've just started a list called VIPhone, (Visually Impaired - IPhone) on GoogleGroups to discuss the new Apple IPhone 3GS. the url is: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone Please feel free to share this url anywhere you like, to anyone you feel might want to discuss this sort of thing. The list is both for those of us whom are early-adopters, as well as for anyone whom may have questions / political views etc on the new IPhone. As far as list etiquette goes, as far as I'm concerned, the list will reflect the character of its members. smile -You want flame wars, fine, have them! -Want a friendly, welcoming, well-informed list, then wonderful! You've got that! You'll have the list you create! If there's something drastic, and I need to step in as mod, then be assured, I will; other than that, -Be the list you want… Enjoy and let's explore the IPhone together!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Attention Syrinx users!
Twitterific still works, Syrinx doesn't seem to any more. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
