Hotmail

2011-02-10 Thread Ian Robinson
Hi All,

Does anyone use Mail on the Mac with Hotmail?  Just wondering how well they 
work together.

Cheers.

Ian

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Re: sparrow email client for Mac

2011-02-10 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
I checked it out briefly when it was in beta and guess what? It's not 
accessible. That is, you can set up accounts no problems, and you can manage 
preferences and so on, but the mailboxes as well as the messages table are just 
presented to VO as empty tables.
You could try the free one and see if improvements are made, but i doubt it. 
Furthermore, unless you're on the windows side or Firefox miraculously has been 
made accessible, you can't send a feedback message to the developers, because 
there's a bloody captcha that you have to fill in in order for the message to 
reach the developer.
Sorry for bringing you these bad news.
I would also love to try out Sparrow.
/Krister

10 feb 2011 kl. 00.56 skrev Mary Otten:

 This email application is new on the Mac app store for $10 bucks. I read 
 about it on TUAW. They seem to think its the bee's knees, but I wonder if 
 anybody here has tried it, and whether or not it is accessible.
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
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Re: Hotmail

2011-02-10 Thread joseph
hi

i use my hotmail account with apple mail client and have no problem there.

hth
On 10 Feb 2011, at 09:19, Ian Robinson wrote:

 Hi All,
  
 Does anyone use Mail on the Mac with Hotmail?  Just wondering how well they 
 work together.
  
 Cheers.
  
 Ian
  
 
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App store's suggestions!

2011-02-10 Thread Colin M
Hi all!
I've sent a suggestion to Apple access to make Apps more easier to find by 
adding something like [vo] to the titles if the App is vo friendly!
They have forwarded it to the appropriate people!
So lets see what happens!
All the best!
Colin
Qapla!

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Re: Hotmail

2011-02-10 Thread Ian Robinson
Hi Joseph,

Do you connect via pop or MAPI?

Thanks.  Ian



From: joseph 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Hotmail

hi 

i use my hotmail account with apple mail client and have no problem there.

hth

On 10 Feb 2011, at 09:19, Ian Robinson wrote:


  Hi All,

  Does anyone use Mail on the Mac with Hotmail?  Just wondering how well they 
work together.

  Cheers.

  Ian


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Voiceover in mail

2011-02-10 Thread Cheok Cheng Ann
Hi

I am new to the mac and have a few questions:

How do I get voiceover to stop saying blanks when reading rows in the mail app?
How do I select multiple emails for deletion?

Regards
Cheng Ann

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Evernote

2011-02-10 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

Has anyone tried this service and software yet? Http://www.evernote.com

I'm having a play with it now, the system seems to allow you to capture.. well 
just about anything from an idea to a picture to a web page, sync your captured 
content or note and share it amongst other devices such as Iphone and Ipad.

I'm playing with the Mac software for Evernote now which seems surprisingly 
accessible though I'm going to have to get some sighted assistance to label the 
buttons and check boxes but that won't be a problem I'm sure.


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pass word protection and internet filtering

2011-02-10 Thread Stephanie Mitchell
I have a new imac which I will set up on the weekend.  Can i pass 
word protect it.  also, since i have kids in the house, what 
internet filtering software is there for the mac?

Thanks.
Steph

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Re: pass word protection and internet filtering

2011-02-10 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

Yep you can password protect your Imac as you can with Macbook Pro etc no 
trouble.

The Imac as does every other Mac comes with parental control by default, I've 
never tried to use it as I have no need smile.


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 protect it.  also, since i have kids in the house, what internet filtering 
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 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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Re: App store's suggestions!

2011-02-10 Thread Cheree Heppe
Cheree Heppe here:
that's a good idea.

regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPad

On 10/02/2011, at 2:25, Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi all!
 I've sent a suggestion to Apple access to make Apps more easier to find by 
 adding something like [vo] to the titles if the App is vo friendly!
 They have forwarded it to the appropriate people!
 So lets see what happens!
 All the best!
 Colin
 Qapla!
 
 Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
 
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audacity quick qestion

2011-02-10 Thread chad
hi does anyone know in audacity how to hear your end of the sample my start 
possition is fine 
i need to trim the end
any tutorials out there
thanks

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Re: Evernote

2011-02-10 Thread Jane
I have it but I haven't used it. I figure I already have one dropbox client for 
the iPad; I am trying to think of a reason why I need another cloud app?  Or 
maybe I have it wrong.

Jane


On Feb 10, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Has anyone tried this service and software yet? Http://www.evernote.com
 
 I'm having a play with it now, the system seems to allow you to capture.. 
 well just about anything from an idea to a picture to a web page, sync your 
 captured content or note and share it amongst other devices such as Iphone 
 and Ipad.
 
 I'm playing with the Mac software for Evernote now which seems surprisingly 
 accessible though I'm going to have to get some sighted assistance to label 
 the buttons and check boxes but that won't be a problem I'm sure.
 
 
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Re: Evernote

2011-02-10 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
As of about 6 months ago, the iPhone app was inaccessible and caused
vo to perform very slowly until I restarted.

On 10/02/2011, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have it but I haven't used it. I figure I already have one dropbox client
 for the iPad; I am trying to think of a reason why I need another cloud app?
  Or maybe I have it wrong.

 Jane


 On Feb 10, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

 Hi!

 Has anyone tried this service and software yet? Http://www.evernote.com

 I'm having a play with it now, the system seems to allow you to capture..
 well just about anything from an idea to a picture to a web page, sync
 your captured content or note and share it amongst other devices such as
 Iphone and Ipad.

 I'm playing with the Mac software for Evernote now which seems
 surprisingly accessible though I'm going to have to get some sighted
 assistance to label the buttons and check boxes but that won't be a
 problem I'm sure.


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Re: new website

2011-02-10 Thread Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
Apple people? 

I respectrully submit that the community has enough knowledge and ability to 
inform itself, and the project need not exclude Apple resources.

Antonio



On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

 Cheree Heppe here:
 
 It might be splintering for info gatherers and such.
 
 Won't the Apple people work with you to develop this idea with them?
 
 
 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Brianna Snyder briannasnyde...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:09
 Subject: Re: new website
 
 
 I think that this would be a good idea. I've wanted to see something like 
 this since I got myMac. 
 
 Brianna
 
 On Feb 9, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Mohammed Al-shara wrote:
 
 hi listers.
 
 I have been getting wonderful help from the list in just 3 days of me 
 getting my mac. as a pay back to the community, I am thinking of 
 establishing a new website which will be very similar to the applevis.com 
 site, only that it has to do with everything mac and voiceover, and not the 
 IO devices since that is very well covered by the applevis website. so, what 
 do you folks think of this idea, and if any of you would like to contribute 
 some content, please let me know, so that I know ahead of time and to plan 
 the site in the right manner.
 
 Best,
 Mohammed Al-shara.
 
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Re: new website

2011-02-10 Thread Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
Mohamed,

Go right ahead if you can get the site put up, designed, and regularly updated.

I say go right ahead if you have the expertise to make it happen, or can find 
it.



On Feb 9, 2011, at 7:33 AM, johns.kary wrote:

 Hi  Mohammed,
 Sounds like a fantastic idea.
 With the Mac App store that's recently come online, it's exactly what we need.
 
 Kari. 
 On 09/02/2011, at 10:19 PM, Mohammed Al-shara wrote:
 
 hi listers.
 
 I have been getting wonderful help from the list in just 3 days of me 
 getting my mac. as a pay back to the community, I am thinking of 
 establishing a new website which will be very similar to the applevis.com 
 site, only that it has to do with everything mac and voiceover, and not the 
 IO devices since that is very well covered by the applevis website. so, what 
 do you folks think of this idea, and if any of you would like to contribute 
 some content, please let me know, so that I know ahead of time and to plan 
 the site in the right manner.
 
 Best,
 Mohammed Al-shara.
 
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Re: Evernote

2011-02-10 Thread Dane Trethowan
Okay well its a bit like trying to explain the difference between Sendspace and 
Dropbox I suppose, the differences don't become apparent until you actually use 
the products.

For example, from what I've found out so far Evernote is designed to capture 
all sorts of things and you can search amongst what you've captured for words 
or phrases.

Interesting to note that the Mac version is far more accessible than the 
Windows version, what a change! smile.


On 11/02/2011, at 1:16 AM, Jane wrote:

 I have it but I haven't used it. I figure I already have one dropbox client 
 for the iPad; I am trying to think of a reason why I need another cloud app?  
 Or maybe I have it wrong.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 Has anyone tried this service and software yet? Http://www.evernote.com
 
 I'm having a play with it now, the system seems to allow you to capture.. 
 well just about anything from an idea to a picture to a web page, sync your 
 captured content or note and share it amongst other devices such as Iphone 
 and Ipad.
 
 I'm playing with the Mac software for Evernote now which seems surprisingly 
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 the buttons and check boxes but that won't be a problem I'm sure.
 
 
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Re: Evernote

2011-02-10 Thread Dane Trethowan
Thanks, I'll bare that in mind, having no trouble with the Mac software at the 
moment.


On 11/02/2011, at 1:27 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

 As of about 6 months ago, the iPhone app was inaccessible and caused
 vo to perform very slowly until I restarted.
 
 On 10/02/2011, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have it but I haven't used it. I figure I already have one dropbox client
 for the iPad; I am trying to think of a reason why I need another cloud app?
 Or maybe I have it wrong.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 Has anyone tried this service and software yet? Http://www.evernote.com
 
 I'm having a play with it now, the system seems to allow you to capture..
 well just about anything from an idea to a picture to a web page, sync
 your captured content or note and share it amongst other devices such as
 Iphone and Ipad.
 
 I'm playing with the Mac software for Evernote now which seems
 surprisingly accessible though I'm going to have to get some sighted
 assistance to label the buttons and check boxes but that won't be a
 problem I'm sure.
 
 
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Re: Hotmail

2011-02-10 Thread AZ

Hi
Hotmail works but not as an exchange service.
AZ
10.02.2011 12:19, Ian Robinson writes:

Hi All,
Does anyone use Mail on the Mac with Hotmail?  Just wondering how well 
they work together.

Cheers.
Ian
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haptics but not for IOS. Soon though

2011-02-10 Thread Yuma Decaux
The guys at e-sense told me they were working with high profile japanese screen 
makers on their haptic tech, including toshiba. And we all know the industry 
talks about aple asking toshiba for screens.

In the meantime, anyoen want to make a jump to androïd so they can feel 
wherever there's no accessibility?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/10/immersions-motiv-development-platform-integrates-haptics-into-a/


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iPod Touch and new MacBook

2011-02-10 Thread Html-man


Hi all,
I am going to connect my iPod Touch to my Mac for the first time. Do I have 
to disable syncronization first, will iTunes mess it up?


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Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hi,

Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in either 
textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this yet.

Aum namah Śivāya
Brandon Olivares
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I help people to experience healing on all levels, and to choose a path that is 
fulfilling for them.



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Re: haptics but not for IOS. Soon though

2011-02-10 Thread Carolyn Haas
Yuma:
Don't know what haptics are.  But, I have a friend whose doing the droid thing 
and it sure seems quirky to me in terms of accessibility.  And I never heard 
anything about Apple asking Toshiba for screens.
Carolyn
On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

 The guys at e-sense told me they were working with high profile japanese 
 screen makers on their haptic tech, including toshiba. And we all know the 
 industry talks about aple asking toshiba for screens.
 
 In the meantime, anyoen want to make a jump to androïd so they can feel 
 wherever there's no accessibility?
 
 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/10/immersions-motiv-development-platform-integrates-haptics-into-a/
 
 
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Re: iPod Touch and new MacBook

2011-02-10 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi  html:
When you plug in your device, iTunes will tell you all you need to know.  It 
will ask you if you want to create a new library, or keep what's on your 
device.  Then assuming you have stuff on there, you'll follow the instructions 
for having it back up yourdevice.  Most of it's pretty easy to follow.

HTH
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 I am going to connect my iPod Touch to my Mac for the first time. Do I have 
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Re: haptics but not for IOS. Soon though

2011-02-10 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Carolyn and all,

the Droid thing is *incredibly quirky in terms of accessibility.  And haptic 
feedback, though very cool, is definitely not worth the accessibility trade-off.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

 Yuma:
 Don't know what haptics are.  But, I have a friend whose doing the droid 
 thing and it sure seems quirky to me in terms of accessibility.  And I never 
 heard anything about Apple asking Toshiba for screens.
 Carolyn
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 
 The guys at e-sense told me they were working with high profile japanese 
 screen makers on their haptic tech, including toshiba. And we all know the 
 industry talks about aple asking toshiba for screens.
 
 In the meantime, anyoen want to make a jump to androïd so they can feel 
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 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/10/immersions-motiv-development-platform-integrates-haptics-into-a/
 
 
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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
A simple applescript should do the trick...

tell document 1 of application TextEdit
set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
end tell
say wordcount   words and   charactercount   characters


 
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 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in either 
 textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this yet.
 
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Creating Apple Scripts, wasWord Count

2011-02-10 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all,

Sorry if I'm really behind here, but I need to get on top of how to create 
apple scripts.  Can someone give me some pointers for how to do this?
thanks in advance,
Donna
On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

 A simple applescript should do the trick...
 
 tell document 1 of application TextEdit
   set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
   set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
 end tell
 say wordcount   words and   charactercount   characters
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in 
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this 
 yet.
 
 Aum namah Śivāya
 Brandon Olivares
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 is fulfilling for them.
 
 
 
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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Kevin Mattingly
you may be able to use the wc command in ther terminal to get it. open a 
terminal session. Use the man pages for options, for example (man wc). 

That may help you do it manually.

Kev
On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in either 
 textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this yet.
 
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Re: pass word protection and internet filtering

2011-02-10 Thread Scott Granados
Don't bother with Internet filtering, it's a waste of time and diverts the 
parenting role away from where it belongs.

Speaking as someone who has raised 3 kids successfully and as someone who has 
had internet longer than most in the home it's just not worth the aggrivation 
and it builds a lot of distrust.  Your kids will just figure out how to 
circumvent the filters and feel they can't talk to you about what they 
encounter online because you don't trust them enough to give them access to the 
computer.

Some strategies that do work really well is don't keep the computer in an out 
of the way location.  If the computer is in the middle of the kitchen or family 
room it's less likely they will visit sites they shouldn't because you or your 
other adult family members can look over the shoulder.
Another thing to do is maybe use some logging software.  This way you 
can see the sites they visit but not have the headache of valid sites being 
blocked or false positives.
More important than all these tips is just talk to the kids.  I realize 
that's the obvious thing to say but it's worth repeating.  No filtering 
software can come close to matching the value of open channels of 
communication.  So save the effort and slap that computer in the family room.

Thanks
Scott

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 I have a new imac which I will set up on the weekend.  Can i pass word 
 protect it.  also, since i have kids in the house, what internet filtering 
 software is there for the mac?
 Thanks.
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Re: Mod note, off topic posts.

2011-02-10 Thread Michael Thurman
the last ot post turned into someone giving advice to get an ON topic item 
rather than a note taker, so i think it was worthwile, not to mention the fact 
that thi slist  is full of people likely to be able to help. The blind guide 
dog and marriage counseling discussion board is likel to be so full of drama 
that a meaning ful rsonse could be impossible to find

On Feb 9, 2011, at 4:14 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:

 Greetings y'all,
 
 This seems like an apt moment to request everyone's help to please keep posts 
 on topic.  Sadly, this list has reached the level of subscriber ship (639 at 
 this writing) where we don't have the flexibility to welcome off topic 
 messages.  Marking a post as OT does not render it topical.  To illustrate  
 via analogy, if I entered a store waring a sign reading: shop lifter 
 present, I suspect the store owner would still prefer charges if I was 
 caught attempting to plunder the place.
 
 
 The reader may be saying: but I only posted one ot item.  I would suggest 
 that if everyone did this even just once a year, we'd find ourselves 
 continuously discussing unrelated topics such as guide dogs or relationships 
 with sighted members of the opposite sex.  Between Yahoo and Google groups 
 there are hundreds of lists which are open to more general topics related to 
 blindness.
 
 Thanks for your help in keeping this list a great technical resource, and 
 best regards.
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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Colin M
Hi there!
This guy has a working text edit word count thing here!
http://www.softcon.com/mac
You can download just the script or a whole text edit with that combined!
It is free!
Colin!
Qapla!
Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 10 Feb 2011, at 17:37, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

 A simple applescript should do the trick...
 
 tell document 1 of application TextEdit
   set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
   set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
 end tell
 say wordcount   words and   charactercount   characters
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in 
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this 
 yet.
 
 Aum namah Śivāya
 Brandon Olivares
 www.thefulleffect.org - Healing the Whole Person
 I help people to experience healing on all levels, and to choose a path that 
 is fulfilling for them.
 
 
 
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Re: Mod note, off topic posts.

2011-02-10 Thread Geoff Waaler
Hello Michael,

If you or anyone have concerns over the wording or content of mod notes, please 
direct them to Cara and/or me privately.  We value feedback and all opinions, 
however the list is not the place for discussion of management policy.

Your point that the last message was steered on topic is well taken, and 
perhaps I could have used better examples, however this does not alter our 
guidelines in terms of off topic postings.  If a person knows an item to be off 
topic, it does not belong here not withstanding an OT warning in the subject. 
 The fact that many here are familiar with other blindness topics in general is 
irrelevant because the number of subscribers sadly precludes such flexibility.

To reiterate, if you or anyone else have concerns, comments, or suggestions 
please don't hesitate to direct them to the mod team privately.

Thanks and best regards.
Geoff

On Feb 10, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:

 the last ot post turned into someone giving advice to get an ON topic item 
 rather than a note taker, so i think it was worthwile, not to mention the 
 fact that thi slist  is full of people likely to be able to help. The blind 
 guide dog and marriage counseling discussion board is likel to be so full of 
 drama that a meaning ful rsonse could be impossible to find
 
 On Feb 9, 2011, at 4:14 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
 
 Greetings y'all,
 
 This seems like an apt moment to request everyone's help to please keep 
 posts on topic.  Sadly, this list has reached the level of subscriber ship 
 (639 at this writing) where we don't have the flexibility to welcome off 
 topic messages.  Marking a post as OT does not render it topical.  To 
 illustrate  via analogy, if I entered a store waring a sign reading: shop 
 lifter present, I suspect the store owner would still prefer charges if I 
 was caught attempting to plunder the place.
 
 
 The reader may be saying: but I only posted one ot item.  I would suggest 
 that if everyone did this even just once a year, we'd find ourselves 
 continuously discussing unrelated topics such as guide dogs or relationships 
 with sighted members of the opposite sex.  Between Yahoo and Google groups 
 there are hundreds of lists which are open to more general topics related to 
 blindness.
 
 Thanks for your help in keeping this list a great technical resource, and 
 best regards.
 Geoff
 
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Re: Voiceover in mail

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
To select multiple rows for deletion just hold down the shift key and hit down 
arrow. This is if you want to select consecutive rows.

S
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 I am new to the mac and have a few questions:
 
 How do I get voiceover to stop saying blanks when reading rows in the mail 
 app?
 How do I select multiple emails for deletion?
 
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Re: App store's suggestions!

2011-02-10 Thread Ricardo Walker
I wouldn't hold my breath for this one.  People have been asking for something 
like this for the IOS app store for almost 2 years and no dice.  But then 
again, you never know.

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 Hi all!
 I've sent a suggestion to Apple access to make Apps more easier to find by 
 adding something like [vo] to the titles if the App is vo friendly!
 They have forwarded it to the appropriate people!
 So lets see what happens!
 All the best!
 Colin
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Re: Mod note, off topic posts.

2011-02-10 Thread Scott Granados
Actually, Geof, the number of subscribers is a non issue.  I've seen several 
lists with many factors more members handle OT posts much more effectively by 
using the tagging method you mentioned.

You're assuming that people don't know how to use / configure mail rules.

An OT tag makes filtering so much more simple and actually reduces work load 
for the moderators and non interested users at the same time.

What you say goes of course but I'm just pointing out the flaw in your 
argument.  Whether you're right or not we'll follow the requests.

On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

 Hello Michael,
 
 If you or anyone have concerns over the wording or content of mod notes, 
 please direct them to Cara and/or me privately.  We value feedback and all 
 opinions, however the list is not the place for discussion of management 
 policy.
 
 Your point that the last message was steered on topic is well taken, and 
 perhaps I could have used better examples, however this does not alter our 
 guidelines in terms of off topic postings.  If a person knows an item to be 
 off topic, it does not belong here not withstanding an OT warning in the 
 subject.  The fact that many here are familiar with other blindness topics in 
 general is irrelevant because the number of subscribers sadly precludes such 
 flexibility.
 
 To reiterate, if you or anyone else have concerns, comments, or suggestions 
 please don't hesitate to direct them to the mod team privately.
 
 Thanks and best regards.
 Geoff
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
 
 the last ot post turned into someone giving advice to get an ON topic item 
 rather than a note taker, so i think it was worthwile, not to mention the 
 fact that thi slist  is full of people likely to be able to help. The blind 
 guide dog and marriage counseling discussion board is likel to be so full of 
 drama that a meaning ful rsonse could be impossible to find
 
 On Feb 9, 2011, at 4:14 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
 
 Greetings y'all,
 
 This seems like an apt moment to request everyone's help to please keep 
 posts on topic.  Sadly, this list has reached the level of subscriber ship 
 (639 at this writing) where we don't have the flexibility to welcome off 
 topic messages.  Marking a post as OT does not render it topical.  To 
 illustrate  via analogy, if I entered a store waring a sign reading: shop 
 lifter present, I suspect the store owner would still prefer charges if I 
 was caught attempting to plunder the place.
 
 
 The reader may be saying: but I only posted one ot item.  I would suggest 
 that if everyone did this even just once a year, we'd find ourselves 
 continuously discussing unrelated topics such as guide dogs or 
 relationships with sighted members of the opposite sex.  Between Yahoo and 
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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Caitlin Lynch
Hi Brandon,
   Or, you can use command+option+I which displays document info. I
believe you have to check the text radiobutton, but I know it will
display using one of thosesorry, I don't use it enough to recall
of the top of my head which one you check.

HTH,
Caitlin

On 2/10/11, Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi there!
 This guy has a working text edit word count thing here!
 http://www.softcon.com/mac
 You can download just the script or a whole text edit with that combined!
 It is free!
 Colin!
 Qapla!
 Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

 On 10 Feb 2011, at 17:37, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

 A simple applescript should do the trick...

 tell document 1 of application TextEdit
  set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
  set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
 end tell
 say wordcount   words and   charactercount   characters



 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

 Hi,

 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this
 yet.

 Aum namah Śivāya
 Brandon Olivares
 www.thefulleffect.org - Healing the Whole Person
 I help people to experience healing on all levels, and to choose a path
 that is fulfilling for them.



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haptics

2011-02-10 Thread Yuma Decaux
Exactly, i don't know about the accessibility of androïd 's haptic tech and the 
main difference is that theirs is motorized whereas the e-sense technology is a 
whole different level.

And for toshiba being a possible supplier, as in possible quote unquote, i'll 
just keep it at that if it bothers some minds in one way or the other, but i 
follow these business sentiments everyday. Both hands and toes aren't enough 
pointers to articles showing that apple has been looking for supply-chains, 
making their own independant supply chains for internals for the iphone ipad 
etc. Look at a track record of internals for macs, and IOS devices. Toshiba is 
there many more times than not, including screens.


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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Brandon,

In Pages, the word-, character-, line- paragraph-count and possibly other 
counts too, are under Document and Info in the Inspector.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: new website

2011-02-10 Thread Jorge Paez
Hi Mohammed.

Jorge here.
I am a podcaster and blogger
who does a ton of Apple accessibility related stuff--though I can talk about 
general accessibility too, so if you
need any bloggers/articles I'd be happy to contribute.



Jorge



On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote:

 Apple people? 
 
 I respectrully submit that the community has enough knowledge and ability to 
 inform itself, and the project need not exclude Apple resources.
 
 Antonio
 
 
 
 On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
 
 Cheree Heppe here:
 
 It might be splintering for info gatherers and such.
 
 Won't the Apple people work with you to develop this idea with them?
 
 
 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Brianna Snyder briannasnyde...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:09
 Subject: Re: new website
 
 
 I think that this would be a good idea. I've wanted to see something like 
 this since I got myMac. 
 
 Brianna
 
 On Feb 9, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Mohammed Al-shara wrote:
 
 hi listers.
 
 I have been getting wonderful help from the list in just 3 days of me 
 getting my mac. as a pay back to the community, I am thinking of 
 establishing a new website which will be very similar to the applevis.com 
 site, only that it has to do with everything mac and voiceover, and not the 
 IO devices since that is very well covered by the applevis website. so, 
 what do you folks think of this idea, and if any of you would like to 
 contribute some content, please let me know, so that I know ahead of time 
 and to plan the site in the right manner.
 
 Best,
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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
Hmm if you use the termainal can ou then do a do shell script wc?I'm guessing.

S
On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi there!
 This guy has a working text edit word count thing here!
 http://www.softcon.com/mac
 You can download just the script or a whole text edit with that combined!
 It is free!
 Colin!
 Qapla!
 Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
 
 On 10 Feb 2011, at 17:37, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
 A simple applescript should do the trick...
 
 tell document 1 of application TextEdit
  set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
  set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
 end tell
 say wordcount   words and   charactercount   characters
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in 
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this 
 yet.
 
 Aum namah Śivāya
 Brandon Olivares
 www.thefulleffect.org - Healing the Whole Person
 I help people to experience healing on all levels, and to choose a path 
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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
Actually the  file is not found. I click ont he link and it says tha the word 
count script or the text edit script is not found.

s
On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

 you may be able to use the wc command in ther terminal to get it. open a 
 terminal session. Use the man pages for options, for example (man wc). 
 
 That may help you do it manually.
 
 Kev
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in 
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this 
 yet.
 
 Aum namah Śivāya
 Brandon Olivares
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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Zachary Kline
Sadly, wc will only work for text input files, and would probably give very 
misleading results if used on a Pages or RTF file.  I'd recommend against 
trying this method.
On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

 you may be able to use the wc command in ther terminal to get it. open a 
 terminal session. Use the man pages for options, for example (man wc). 
 
 That may help you do it manually.
 
 Kev
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in 
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get this 
 yet.
 
 Aum namah Śivāya
 Brandon Olivares
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 I help people to experience healing on all levels, and to choose a path that 
 is fulfilling for them.
 
 
 
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Researchers reveal iPhone passwords in under six minutes

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
Will apple fix this in an ios update? should be be more careful with our 
phones? Are we even safe? read on:

http://bit.ly/eocp6x

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Audio Hijack Pro

2011-02-10 Thread louie
Hi all,
I am using a VOIP application called Whistle.
You can get the application from:
http://whistlephone.com/
This application allows me to make calls from my puter.
I have Whistle configured to use my Plantronics Headset for input and out put.
I have made a audio hijack entry in Component and Session List table called 
Whistle.
I set the input to the application Whistle.
I use the below apple script to start recording.
When I run the scrip the audio out put is from the system speakers not the 
headset. the input is from the headset and I can hear myself from the system 
speakers.
WhatI want  is to hear output from my headset when recording and not hear 
myself in the headset.
When I run the application with out recording it all works.

Thank you for any help.


tell application Audio Hijack Pro
set theSession to the first session whose name contains Whistle
tell theSession to start hijacking
tell theSession to start recording
end tell

louie
louiem...@wavecable.com



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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
I didn't know there was a way to do word count in TextEdit, so I found a word 
counter widget and installed it in my widget bar.


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Re: IOS Sudoku App Developer seeking suggestions to make his Apps accessible

2011-02-10 Thread Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
Brian,

Sudoku is and has been an interest of mine for about 4 years, and when I play I 
use a braille note-taker.

I've used a braille lite 40, and now use a braille sense. I prefer the 40 cell 
display and set up of the braille lite, but can use the sense just as well.

The thoughts on this are as follows:

1. Developers for an accessible game will  need to consider board enquiries. 
How do I ask that the information I want to have be read to me.

This is where one can get really creative with gestures, but there needs to be 
a way to read a column, a row, and a square, as well as a way to navigate 
quicly through the board.

So a right, left, up, or down flick of a single finger will move you one square 
in that direction.

A two finger swipe in any direction will trigger a query on the row or column 
in question. It is a bit beyond me why a player would ask for a column or row 
to be read from right to left, or bottom to top, but we'll leave this one alone 
since it gives players more navigational options available to them.

A double tap on the last read spot will activate it for editing, entry.

A two finger double tap on any spot will trigger a query on that 3 by 3 grid, 
top left to bottom right.

There may be ways to ask the board what numbers are missing from a region, but 
I think this should be a player's job and thought process when solving the 
puzzle.

One other issue is how fast you want your numbers read to you. I might like to 
have a .75 second interval between each number spoken, while someone else can 
go at .4 seconds, and another person might prefer a 1 second pause.

this is probably not hard to implement into a settings option that users would 
change.

2. I do have some thoughts about filling out the grid.

A. Double tap on an empty or penciled in spot in which to enter a new number.

B. Once the edit field comes up you would have a phone stile pat 1 through 9 
that you could double tap to enter your answer.

C. Another way to enter your choice once the edit comes up will be to tap as 
many times as the number you wish to input. After you stop tapping, say a 
second after you stop tapping, the software would confirm your entry. It might 
say something like

Enter a 2? Double tap for yes, tripple tap for no.

I realize this is more cumbersome but could be consider. Option B is admittedly 
the easiest.

Hope these suggestions help.

Antonio Guimaraes

On Feb 9, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Greetings All,
 
 For those Sudoku players on the list, I'd like to pick your brains a bit. 
 I've been evaluating IOS Sudoku Apps (more details at the bottom of this 
 email) and have found a good one whose developer is very receptive to making 
 the App accessible and would like some input from the List as to how to best 
 handle the Sudoku Grid. Again, I don't consider myself to be a very creative 
 thinker in this kind of task so I'm hoping some of you can throw out some 
 good ideas.
 
 As you probably know, the standard Sudoku grid consists of 9x9 squares, 
 subdivided into 9 smaller 3x3 squares. How do you think VO could best tell us 
 about these squares? Do you want to hear coordinates as in Chess-wise (A1 to 
 H8)? Would you rather hear each 3x3 grid identified uniquely? How would you 
 expect to hear status of pencil marks? Most of these Apps have a separate 
 Number Pad that you use to select the number you want to place on the Grid. 
 Would you expect to first select the number and then select the destination 
 square, or would it make more sense to select the square first and then tap 
 the number pad? Would you want to hear entire rows and columns read?
 
 That is the end of the questions for now, but if you're interested in more 
 info, here are some more details regarding my evaluations and these two Apps. 
 I've been evaluating the various free Sudoku Apps and am of course running 
 into the same issue we had with chess prior to Chess-wise being updated; that 
 is, the Sudoku Grid is inaccessible even if the rest of the game has been 
 properly labeled for VO. While I found one app, Tap Sudoku that has a 
 semi-accessible grid, the rest of the App needs lots of work. I've been 
 unsuccessful in my attempts to contact the Developer of Tap Sudoku and, in 
 fact, the developer website appears to be just a marketing site. 
 
 Prior to starting my search I had asked Marcel Nijman if he was interested in 
 developing an accessible Sudoku App, since he has been so good to work with 
 through the process of making his other Apps accessible. Marcel respectfully 
 declined saying he wanted to focus on upgrading his current group of Apps. He 
 did however suggest trying the Sudoku Tablet App as he said it looks like a 
 well-designed App. I've tested Sudoku Tablet for the iPad and it's sister 
 App, iSudoku for all IOS devices. While their grids are not accessible, 
 they both have excellent labeling and navigation for VO. I contacted the 
 Developer, Wolfgang Tumler, and like 

Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ah I disabled the dash board. lol! so inthat case that would not work for me. 
nice idea though.

S
On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 I didn't know there was a way to do word count in TextEdit, so I found a word 
 counter widget and installed it in my widget bar.
 
 
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Report: Apple making cheaper iPhone to fight Google

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
This is interesting.. Will apple succeed with this?

http://cnet.co/fZiAgK

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Re: Word Count

2011-02-10 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
why the heck would you disable dashboard?  It's really useful thing!


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Re: Hotmail

2011-02-10 Thread joseph
hi

i cann't remember but if you tell me how to check i can do that and let you 
know.

regards
On 10 Feb 2011, at 10:31, Ian Robinson wrote:

 Hi Joseph,
  
 Do you connect via pop or MAPI?
  
 Thanks.  Ian
  
  
  
 From: joseph
 Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:27 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hotmail
  
 hi
  
 i use my hotmail account with apple mail client and have no problem there.
  
 hth
 On 10 Feb 2011, at 09:19, Ian Robinson wrote:
 
 Hi All,
  
 Does anyone use Mail on the Mac with Hotmail?  Just wondering howwell 
 they work together.
  
 Cheers.
  
 Ian
  
  
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Re: Hotmail

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
Hello. look in the account settings and find out if it is imap or smtp, I think.

S
On Feb 10, 2011, at 3:50 PM, joseph wrote:

 hi
 
 i cann't remember but if you tell me how to check i can do that and let you 
 know.
 
 regards
 On 10 Feb 2011, at 10:31, Ian Robinson wrote:
 
 Hi Joseph,
 
 Do you connect via pop or MAPI?
 
 Thanks.  Ian
 
 
 
 From: joseph
 Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:27 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hotmail
 
 hi
 
 i use my hotmail account with apple mail client and have no problem there.
 
 hth
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 Hi All,
 
 Does anyone use Mail on the Mac with Hotmail?  Just wondering howwell 
 they work together.
 
 Cheers.
 
 Ian
 
 
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Re: Audio Hijack Pro

2011-02-10 Thread Sarah Alawami
and in mega mix mode you cannot rout the sound let's say to sound flower in my 
case. I really don't know why this happens but ah well.

Take care.
On Feb 10, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

 Hi Louie.  In your whistle session, you want to go in to advanced recording 
 options, and make sure the radio button for megamix mode is selected.  This 
 records all input and output audio streams from an application.  However, for 
 some reason when you're recording you hear your voice coming back through the 
 headphones.  I haven't yet found a way around this.
 Darcy
 
 On 2011-02-10, at 5:52 PM, louie wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I am using a VOIP application called Whistle.
 You can get the application from:
 http://whistlephone.com/
 This application allows me to make calls from my puter.
 I have Whistle configured to use my Plantronics Headset for input and out 
 put.
 I have made a audio hijack entry in Component and Session List table 
 called Whistle.
 I set the input to the application Whistle.
 I use the below apple script to start recording.
 When I run the scrip the audio out put is from the system speakers not the 
 headset. the input is from the headset and I can hear myself from the system 
 speakers.
 WhatI want  is to hear output from my headset when recording and not hear 
 myself in the headset.
 When I run the application with out recording it all works.
 
 Thank you for any help.
 
 
 tell application Audio Hijack Pro
  set theSession to the first session whose name contains Whistle
  tell theSession to start hijacking
  tell theSession to start recording
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blocking emails

2011-02-10 Thread Jorge Paez
Hi.
Just wondering,
how can I block specific emails in
Apple Mail?

Thanks,

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Re: Voiceover in mail

2011-02-10 Thread Cheok Cheng Ann
Voiceover does not read the newly selected items when using the shift arrow 
keys. It only indicates new items were added to the selection.

On 11-Feb-2011, at 3:01 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 To select multiple rows for deletion just hold down the shift key and hit 
 down arrow. This is if you want to select consecutive rows.
 
 S
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 I am new to the mac and have a few questions:
 
 How do I get voiceover to stop saying blanks when reading rows in the mail 
 app?
 How do I select multiple emails for deletion?
 
 Regards
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Re: Voiceover in mail

2011-02-10 Thread Esther

Hello,

To expand on Sarah's comment about using the Shift key to select, you can use 
VO-F6 to check which items are selected.  This is particularly useful when you 
are selecting items in a list non-contiguously, and want to review them.  This 
woks quite generally for selections of all sorts (e.g., files in Finder, 
messages in Mail, tracks in iTunes).  You can read an archived list post on 
selecting non-contguous items and checking on the selection here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg13774.html

To read down the thread to my additional comments, press Control+n (for next post in 
thread).  Control+p will let you read the previous post in the archived thread. (I 
assume you're using Safari; for Internet Explorer use Alt instead of Control for then access key; 
and for FIrefox I believe you use Alt+Shift instead of Control).

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther  


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Voiceover does not read the newly selected items when using the shift arrow 
keys. It only indicates new items were added to the selection.

On 11-Feb-2011, at 3:01 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:


To select multiple rows for deletion just hold down the shift key and hit down 
arrow. This is if you want to select consecutive rows.

S
On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:


Hi

I am new to the mac and have a few questions:

How do I get voiceover to stop saying blanks when reading rows in the mail app?
How do I select multiple emails for deletion?

Regards
Cheng Ann





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Re: Voiceover in mail

2011-02-10 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
Voice Over F6 will read you everything in the selection.

Jonathan

On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:

 Voiceover does not read the newly selected items when using the shift arrow 
 keys. It only indicates new items were added to the selection.
 
 On 11-Feb-2011, at 3:01 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 To select multiple rows for deletion just hold down the shift key and hit 
 down arrow. This is if you want to select consecutive rows.
 
 S
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 I am new to the mac and have a few questions:
 
 How do I get voiceover to stop saying blanks when reading rows in the mail 
 app?
 How do I select multiple emails for deletion?
 
 Regards
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Re: IOS Sudoku App Developer seeking suggestions to make his Apps accessible

2011-02-10 Thread Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
Hello,

I do not think braille should be considered just yet when making a sudoku app.

Are these apps to be run on a mac, or iPhone?

Either way I see no need to read grids at all times, only when the player makes 
a region query as I suggested.

I bet some developer out there may be able to retrofit their existing app with 
VoiceOver features you may furnish. Try it I say, or you'll never know how far 
the developers are willing to go.

Antonio Guimaraes


On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:35 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

 Woe, this all sounds good Antonio; however, we're talking about modifying an 
 existing game, not reinventing one. The various gestures would require a 
 substantial amount of recoding even if it would be possible. What your 
 talking about may even be beyond VO's abilities at this point. I really need 
 to go study up on Sudoku because I have an interest, but not enough knowledge 
 to completely understand all the aspects of the board. However, setting aside 
 Braille for the minute, we need to consider what is possible without 
 rewriting the entire interface.
 Not trying to pea on your parade, but perhaps looking at this from the 
 perspective of what is instead of what we wish could be. DOes that make sense?
 I just think if we approach the developer with all of these ideas of changing 
 the interface, he bay balk at the idea. Do you feel there is another 
 approach? Do you think the coordinates are necessary? Just trying to think 
 through this.
 
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote:
 
 Brian,
 
 Sudoku is and has been an interest of mine for about 4 years, and when I 
 play I use a braille note-taker.
 
 I've used a braille lite 40, and now use a braille sense. I prefer the 40 
 cell display and set up of the braille lite, but can use the sense just as 
 well.
 
 The thoughts on this are as follows:
 
 1. Developers for an accessible game will  need to consider board enquiries. 
 How do I ask that the information I want to have be read to me.
 
 This is where one can get really creative with gestures, but there needs to 
 be a way to read a column, a row, and a square, as well as a way to navigate 
 quicly through the board.
 
 So a right, left, up, or down flick of a single finger will move you one 
 square in that direction.
 
 A two finger swipe in any direction will trigger a query on the row or 
 column in question. It is a bit beyond me why a player would ask for a 
 column or row to be read from right to left, or bottom to top, but we'll 
 leave this one alone since it gives players more navigational options 
 available to them.
 
 A double tap on the last read spot will activate it for editing, entry.
 
 A two finger double tap on any spot will trigger a query on that 3 by 3 
 grid, top left to bottom right.
 
 There may be ways to ask the board what numbers are missing from a region, 
 but I think this should be a player's job and thought process when solving 
 the puzzle.
 
 One other issue is how fast you want your numbers read to you. I might like 
 to have a .75 second interval between each number spoken, while someone else 
 can go at .4 seconds, and another person might prefer a 1 second pause.
 
 this is probably not hard to implement into a settings option that users 
 would change.
 
 2. I do have some thoughts about filling out the grid.
 
 A. Double tap on an empty or penciled in spot in which to enter a new number.
 
 B. Once the edit field comes up you would have a phone stile pat 1 through 9 
 that you could double tap to enter your answer.
 
 C. Another way to enter your choice once the edit comes up will be to tap as 
 many times as the number you wish to input. After you stop tapping, say a 
 second after you stop tapping, the software would confirm your entry. It 
 might say something like
 
 Enter a 2? Double tap for yes, tripple tap for no.
 
 I realize this is more cumbersome but could be consider. Option B is 
 admittedly the easiest.
 
 Hope these suggestions help.
 
 Antonio Guimaraes
 
 On Feb 9, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Greetings All,
 
 For those Sudoku players on the list, I'd like to pick your brains a bit. 
 I've been evaluating IOS Sudoku Apps (more details at the bottom of this 
 email) and have found a good one whose developer is very receptive to 
 making the App accessible and would like some input from the List as to how 
 to best handle the Sudoku Grid. Again, I don't consider myself to be a very 
 creative thinker in this kind of task so I'm hoping some of you can throw 
 out some good ideas.
 
 As you probably know, the standard Sudoku grid consists of 9x9 squares, 
 subdivided into 9 smaller 3x3 squares. How do you think VO could best tell 
 us about these squares? Do you want to hear coordinates as in Chess-wise 
 (A1 to H8)? Would you rather hear each 3x3 grid identified uniquely? How 
 would you expect to hear status of pencil marks? Most of these Apps have a 
 separate Number Pad that 

Re: mHow to turn numpad on offm

2011-02-10 Thread Kevin Gibbs
Ester,
As it turned out, the solution was far simpler than anyone could
imagine.  All I had to do was turn Numpad commander off.  Once I did
that, the Numeric keypad numbers
worked perfectly.
Thanks,
Kevin

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what's the deal with ebay and safari??

2011-02-10 Thread trahern culver
hey all what's the deal with ebay and safari? some of the key features
like the buy  now check box are not accssable with voice over does any
one know how to solve this problem??

your help with this question would be most welcome!!!

kind regards trahern.

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GPS Apps

2011-02-10 Thread Robert Hooper
Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me stop 
and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word best, so 
often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly anything. With that 
being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and wish to fill it full of 
delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be a GPS package.
At this point, I have arrived at three possible conclusions via 
friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am considering the Garmin app, 
Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because I hear it's accessible and the 
primary rival to Navigon. What are the benefits for each app? Why should I 
choose one over the other? I know that the Garmin app doesn't locally store map 
information and the maps are constantly updated as well as traffic and weather 
information. How does Navigon compete with this? Are there updates to Navigon's 
maps? Does it provide the same type of information? And what of Tomtom? Does it 
store maps locally or are they accessed remotely like Garmin?
Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, yet it 
is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear-so is there some drawback to 
Garmin which prevents it from competing on the same level? I read on the 
Applevis web site that Garmin is very accessible, as well as Navigon. Any 
information is welcome-if I have to have multiple solutions, I guess I could do 
that, but it would be much easier just to depend on one.
Finally, does it really matter that much which app I decide to use? Is one 
essentially as good as the other? Any input would be appreciated-no matter how 
lengthy (I would even prefer lengthy smile).
Thanks,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edumailto:hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
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Re: Regarding mac Os server.

2011-02-10 Thread Mike Huckabay
Woops my bad I ment to say I'm looking for documentation on the server and yes 
HTML would be fine lol my bad. 
On 2011-02-10, at 10:00 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

 What do you mean by a PDF version of the server?  A PDF is a document format. 
  Do you mean you want a PDF version of the documentation for the server?  
 Would HTML documentation be acceptable?
 just curious
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Mike Huckabay wrote:
 
 Hi dus enny one know where I can get a PDF version of mac OS server?  I'm 
 thinking of getting a mac server for my house so I can do more file sharing 
 and what not.
 Also is there enny good demo's of OS server at all thanks.
 
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Re: IOS Sudoku App Developer seeking suggestions to make his Apps accessible

2011-02-10 Thread Donna Goodin
I *strongly disagree.  The easiest way to work a sudoku is with braille.  Why 
on earth would you cut that out?
Donna
On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I do not think braille should be considered just yet when making a sudoku app.
 
 Are these apps to be run on a mac, or iPhone?
 
 Either way I see no need to read grids at all times, only when the player 
 makes a region query as I suggested.
 
 I bet some developer out there may be able to retrofit their existing app 
 with VoiceOver features you may furnish. Try it I say, or you'll never know 
 how far the developers are willing to go.
 
 Antonio Guimaraes
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:35 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Woe, this all sounds good Antonio; however, we're talking about modifying an 
 existing game, not reinventing one. The various gestures would require a 
 substantial amount of recoding even if it would be possible. What your 
 talking about may even be beyond VO's abilities at this point. I really need 
 to go study up on Sudoku because I have an interest, but not enough 
 knowledge to completely understand all the aspects of the board. However, 
 setting aside Braille for the minute, we need to consider what is possible 
 without rewriting the entire interface.
 Not trying to pea on your parade, but perhaps looking at this from the 
 perspective of what is instead of what we wish could be. DOes that make 
 sense?
 I just think if we approach the developer with all of these ideas of 
 changing the interface, he bay balk at the idea. Do you feel there is 
 another approach? Do you think the coordinates are necessary? Just trying to 
 think through this.
 
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote:
 
 Brian,
 
 Sudoku is and has been an interest of mine for about 4 years, and when I 
 play I use a braille note-taker.
 
 I've used a braille lite 40, and now use a braille sense. I prefer the 40 
 cell display and set up of the braille lite, but can use the sense just as 
 well.
 
 The thoughts on this are as follows:
 
 1. Developers for an accessible game will  need to consider board 
 enquiries. How do I ask that the information I want to have be read to me.
 
 This is where one can get really creative with gestures, but there needs to 
 be a way to read a column, a row, and a square, as well as a way to 
 navigate quicly through the board.
 
 So a right, left, up, or down flick of a single finger will move you one 
 square in that direction.
 
 A two finger swipe in any direction will trigger a query on the row or 
 column in question. It is a bit beyond me why a player would ask for a 
 column or row to be read from right to left, or bottom to top, but we'll 
 leave this one alone since it gives players more navigational options 
 available to them.
 
 A double tap on the last read spot will activate it for editing, entry.
 
 A two finger double tap on any spot will trigger a query on that 3 by 3 
 grid, top left to bottom right.
 
 There may be ways to ask the board what numbers are missing from a region, 
 but I think this should be a player's job and thought process when solving 
 the puzzle.
 
 One other issue is how fast you want your numbers read to you. I might like 
 to have a .75 second interval between each number spoken, while someone 
 else can go at .4 seconds, and another person might prefer a 1 second pause.
 
 this is probably not hard to implement into a settings option that users 
 would change.
 
 2. I do have some thoughts about filling out the grid.
 
 A. Double tap on an empty or penciled in spot in which to enter a new 
 number.
 
 B. Once the edit field comes up you would have a phone stile pat 1 through 
 9 that you could double tap to enter your answer.
 
 C. Another way to enter your choice once the edit comes up will be to tap 
 as many times as the number you wish to input. After you stop tapping, say 
 a second after you stop tapping, the software would confirm your entry. It 
 might say something like
 
 Enter a 2? Double tap for yes, tripple tap for no.
 
 I realize this is more cumbersome but could be consider. Option B is 
 admittedly the easiest.
 
 Hope these suggestions help.
 
 Antonio Guimaraes
 
 On Feb 9, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Greetings All,
 
 For those Sudoku players on the list, I'd like to pick your brains a bit. 
 I've been evaluating IOS Sudoku Apps (more details at the bottom of this 
 email) and have found a good one whose developer is very receptive to 
 making the App accessible and would like some input from the List as to 
 how to best handle the Sudoku Grid. Again, I don't consider myself to be a 
 very creative thinker in this kind of task so I'm hoping some of you can 
 throw out some good ideas.
 
 As you probably know, the standard Sudoku grid consists of 9x9 squares, 
 subdivided into 9 smaller 3x3 squares. How do you think VO could best tell 
 us about these squares? Do you want to hear 

Re: pass word protection and internet filtering

2011-02-10 Thread Stephanie Mitchell

Hi scot,
I have no desire to stop our kids accessing stuff online.  It's 
the porn and pop up adds i am trying to protect them.  The reason 
i need to password protect the mac is for my piano studio.

Thanks for the great tips.
Steph


- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados scott.grana...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:06:09 -0800
Subject: Re: pass word protection and internet filtering

Don't bother with Internet filtering, it's a waste of time and 
diverts the parenting role away from where it belongs.


Speaking as someone who has raised 3 kids successfully and as 
someone who has had internet longer than most in the home it's 
just not worth the aggrivation and it builds a lot of distrust.  
Your kids will just figure out how to circumvent the filters and 
feel they can't talk to you about what they encounter online 
because you don't trust them enough to give them access to the 
computer.


Some strategies that do work really well is don't keep the 
computer in an out of the way location.  If the computer is in 
the middle of the kitchen or family room it's less likely they 
will visit sites they shouldn't because you or your other adult 
family members can look over the shoulder.
	Another thing to do is maybe use some logging software.  
This way you can see the sites they visit but not have the 
headache of valid sites being blocked or false positives.
	More important than all these tips is just talk to the kids.  
I realize that's the obvious thing to say but it's worth 
repeating.  No filtering software can come close to matching 
the value of open channels of communication.  So save the 
effort and slap that computer in the family room.


Thanks
Scott

On Feb 10, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:

I have a new imac which I will set up on the weekend.  Can i 
pass word protect it.  also, since i have kids in the house, what 
internet filtering software is there for the mac?

Thanks.
Steph

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Re: Creating Apple Scripts, wasWord Count

2011-02-10 Thread Donna Goodin
Thanks!  I'll give it a try.
Donna
On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

 start AppleScript editor and paste everything into it.
 
 Press the run button in the toolbar or command-R and see if it works.  If it 
 works save it.
 
 There is a place in the library where you can put it so the script shows up 
 in your contextual (VO-Shift-M) menus.  
 
 Something like Library/Apple Scripts/Textedit Scripts  In order for those 
 scripts to show up in your menu though there is a preference that needs to be 
 checked in the AppleScript editor.
 
 Jon
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 Thanks for responding, but I think you're a bit over my head. :)
 
 Let's be more concrete.  You suggested that a simple script would allow one 
 the option to see the word count.  I've saved the script text, but what 
 specific steps do I take to implement that script?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
 Creating an AppleScript can be frustrating even to programmers. But it 
 certainly is possible,  I have a AppleScript that is about 200 lines of 
 code right now.  Some sections were quite annoyng  for example, I decided 
 to have a handler that creates a folder if it does not exist.  When I use 
 this to create desktop folders I get an error the first time something is 
 attempted to be put into the folder.  The error said can't turn a folder 
 into a number or some other weirdness.
 
 IN terms of using AppleScript, the AppleScript editor in the Utilities 
 directory comes with a help menu that points you to the Apple web site with 
 a manual.  For simple utilities  or system admin it can be quite useful.  
 
 Hope I am not being too vague.  Also there were a couple posts on this list 
 2-3 months ago discussing ways to make the experience better.  I believe 
 that Uma uses the developer extras that can be installed from the Snow 
 Leopard disk to write his AppleScripts.
 
 Jon
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Sorry if I'm really behind here, but I need to get on top of how to create 
 apple scripts.  Can someone give me some pointers for how to do this?
 thanks in advance,
 Donna
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
 A simple applescript should do the trick...
 
 tell document 1 of application TextEdit
   set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
   set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
 end tell
 say wordcount   words and   charactercount   characters
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in 
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get 
 this yet.
 
 Aum namah Śivāya
 Brandon Olivares
 www.thefulleffect.org - Healing the Whole Person
 I help people to experience healing on all levels, and to choose a path 
 that is fulfilling for them.
 
 
 
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Re: Report: Apple making cheaper iPhone to fight Google

2011-02-10 Thread brandt

Hi there,

Usually in cheeper models of stuff, weather it be iPhone or car, something 
goes by the wayside. Let's just hope it's not VoiceOver.


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This is interesting.. Will apple succeed with this?

http://cnet.co/fZiAgK

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Re: pass word protection and internet filtering

2011-02-10 Thread Scott Granados
Hi Steph,

Don't sweat the porn thing.  A lot of it requires a credit card anyway 
so kids won't get far.  If you block off porn using a lot of the standard 
packages you'll block non porn sites that you want them to actually have access 
to.  One example of this is whitehouse.gov.  THere's a whitehouse.com and some 
other white house variants that trigger a filter on whitehouse.gov which kids 
might visit for example for research on the executive branch etc.
The other factor to consider is if you block it off you create an 
unnatural interest.  I'll just say as a young man nothing got my attention more 
than someone putting a block in the way of something.  I circumvented 
everything ranging from the first scrambled cable channels to military computer 
systems and yes even the child locks on the TV later on.  Like I said, having 
the computer out in the kitchen or living room in front of mom and country 
limits the kids interest in porn anyway hahaha.  
Understand I'm not questioning your parenting it's just I've owned 2 
ISPs and provided access to thousands of families and schools so it's an issue 
I'm familiar with and I see a lot of companies and individuals cashing in on 
fear that has no basis in reality.  Some good free methods do far better and 
enforce some of the better parts and attitudes in the family.  Enjoy and good 
luck with what ever solution you go with.
  
 
HTH
Scott


On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:

 Hi scot,
 I have no desire to stop our kids accessing stuff online.  It's the porn and 
 pop up adds i am trying to protect them.  The reason i need to password 
 protect the mac is for my piano studio.
 Thanks for the great tips.
 Steph
 
 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:06:09 -0800
 Subject: Re: pass word protection and internet filtering
 
 Don't bother with Internet filtering, it's a waste of time and diverts the 
 parenting role away from where it belongs.
 
 Speaking as someone who has raised 3 kids successfully and as someone who has 
 had internet longer than most in the home it's just not worth the aggrivation 
 and it builds a lot of distrust.  Your kids will just figure out how to 
 circumvent the filters and feel they can't talk to you about what they 
 encounter online because you don't trust them enough to give them access to 
 the computer.
 
 Some strategies that do work really well is don't keep the computer in an out 
 of the way location.  If the computer is in the middle of the kitchen or 
 family room it's less likely they will visit sites they shouldn't because you 
 or your other adult family members can look over the shoulder.
   Another thing to do is maybe use some logging software.  This way you 
 can see the sites they visit but not have the headache of valid sites being 
 blocked or false positives.
   More important than all these tips is just talk to the kids.  I realize 
 that's the obvious thing to say but it's worth repeating.  No filtering 
 software can come close to matching the value of open channels of 
 communication.  So save the effort and slap that computer in the family room.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:
 
 I have a new imac which I will set up on the weekend.  Can i pass word 
 protect it.  also, since i have kids in the house, what internet filtering 
 software is there for the mac?
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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Re: Report: Apple making cheaper iPhone to fight Google

2011-02-10 Thread Ryan Mann
The article said that the phone would be smaller.  I would be worried that this 
would be harder to use.  I could see myself touching two icons at once since 
they would have to be smaller than my fingers.

On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:39 PM, brandt wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 Usually in cheeper models of stuff, weather it be iPhone or car, something 
 goes by the wayside. Let's just hope it's not VoiceOver.
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brandt Steenkamp
 
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iWOrk, Pages and KeyNote: Content Creation and Formatting

2011-02-10 Thread Kevin Chao
In our latest VoiceOver On, episode 7;we take a thorough look atiWOrk 
content creation and formatting, in particular with Pages and KeyNote.

We have  a  guest on, Anne Robertson, who we certainly appreciate her 
presenting content, providing explanation and point of view on current state of 
iWOrk VoiceOver accessibility. 

Please have a listen at:
http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com
or subscribe at:
http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com/feed

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Re: Report: Apple making cheaper iPhone to fight Google

2011-02-10 Thread Mike Arrigo
I don't think it will be voiceover, that's part of the operating system, 
nothing to worry about there.
On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:39 PM, brandt wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 Usually in cheeper models of stuff, weather it be iPhone or car, something 
 goes by the wayside. Let's just hope it's not VoiceOver.
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brandt Steenkamp
 
 You can tune in to my show wednesday afternoons at 3 PM UTC by going to 
 www.TheGlobalVoice.info
 
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Re: Creating Apple Scripts, wasWord Count

2011-02-10 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hi John,

Thanks for your help. I saw the code that was given, and it makes enough sense. 
However, the tel block seems to specify a specific document (document 1?). How 
would I have it check the count of whatever document is currently active in 
TextEdit?

I figured out how to use the script editor, and how to enable the scripts menu 
as well.

Aum namah Śivāya
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On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

 start AppleScript editor and paste everything into it.
 
 Press the run button in the toolbar or command-R and see if it works.  If it 
 works save it.
 
 There is a place in the library where you can put it so the script shows up 
 in your contextual (VO-Shift-M) menus.  
 
 Something like Library/Apple Scripts/Textedit Scripts  In order for those 
 scripts to show up in your menu though there is a preference that needs to be 
 checked in the AppleScript editor.
 
 Jon
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 Thanks for responding, but I think you're a bit over my head. :)
 
 Let's be more concrete.  You suggested that a simple script would allow one 
 the option to see the word count.  I've saved the script text, but what 
 specific steps do I take to implement that script?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
 Creating an AppleScript can be frustrating even to programmers. But it 
 certainly is possible,  I have a AppleScript that is about 200 lines of 
 code right now.  Some sections were quite annoyng  for example, I decided 
 to have a handler that creates a folder if it does not exist.  When I use 
 this to create desktop folders I get an error the first time something is 
 attempted to be put into the folder.  The error said can't turn a folder 
 into a number or some other weirdness.
 
 IN terms of using AppleScript, the AppleScript editor in the Utilities 
 directory comes with a help menu that points you to the Apple web site with 
 a manual.  For simple utilities  or system admin it can be quite useful.  
 
 Hope I am not being too vague.  Also there were a couple posts on this list 
 2-3 months ago discussing ways to make the experience better.  I believe 
 that Uma uses the developer extras that can be installed from the Snow 
 Leopard disk to write his AppleScripts.
 
 Jon
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Sorry if I'm really behind here, but I need to get on top of how to create 
 apple scripts.  Can someone give me some pointers for how to do this?
 thanks in advance,
 Donna
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
 A simple applescript should do the trick...
 
 tell document 1 of application TextEdit
   set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
   set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
 end tell
 say wordcount   words and   charactercount   characters
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to get the word or at least character count of text, in 
 either textedit and/or pages? It's getting annoying that I can't get 
 this yet.
 
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update on the xmradio site

2011-02-10 Thread chad
hi guys i have an update on the xmradio site
i spoke with a listener care rep he said they won't go back to the previous 
version of the player
just waiting for pulsar to come out with a update right now can't listen online 
at all sucks 
rogueameba e mailed and there aware of the pulsar issue there working on it
that's my only solution for listening
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Re: Report: Apple making cheaper iPhone to fight Google

2011-02-10 Thread Michael Thurman
do you relally thint hat tey would toss voiceover? apple seems commited to 
accesibility for everyone more than anything else, even their cheaptest i pod 
has vo now, so i relaly can not see them not having vo. I also believe creating 
a different os would be more expensive. i suspect we will loose gps or the 
camera or something like that. perhaps no front facing camera and maybe a low 
res or monochrome screen?  i can't wait, if I can get an I phone cheaper than 
an I pod touch I'll jump on it with no contract as long as it still has gps as 
accessible gps is one of th ebiggest reasons i ant one

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 Usually in cheeper models of stuff, weather it be iPhone or car, something 
 goes by the wayside. Let's just hope it's not VoiceOver.
 
 Warm regards,
 
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Re: update on the xmradio site

2011-02-10 Thread Michael Thurman
just one reason I am not an xm subscriber anymore   they do not care about 
accessibility.  and they keep raising their princes while adding commercials to 
some stations and wasting slots with copies ofterrestrial broadcasters  as many 
of us said before it happens sirius and xm being allowed to merge was a total 
srew up by the fcc and the ft and we loose  
at least with both there was some competition
On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:00 AM, chad wrote:

 hi guys i have an update on the xmradio site
 i spoke with a listener care rep he said they won't go back to the previous 
 version of the player
 just waiting for pulsar to come out with a update right now can't listen 
 online at all sucks
 rogueameba e mailed and there aware of the pulsar issue there working on it
 that's my only solution for listening
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