What is iWeb

2011-07-29 Thread Teresa Cochran
Just a curious question as I've seen references to it in various places. Is it 
an engine for web browsers, or something else entirely?

Thanks,
Teresa

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Good Things About Lion and Safari

2011-07-29 Thread Teresa Cochran
Well, I suppose those too words are a good fit in more than one context. :) In 
any case, here are some things I've noticed improvement  on with VO.

1. VO just seems much more stable to me. I haven't had to restart it once since 
I got Lion a week ago.

2. I used to have a terrible problem with quick-nav spontaneously activating 
itself. No more. Yay.

3. I haven't had to import my vO prefs once since I've had Lion, whereas I used 
to have to do this three times in a week.

4. Safari and vO play much more nicely together, IMO. There are many fewer 
busy messages.

Good job, developers. I'm pleased in general. Of course, there are always 
little things that don't go as smoothly as they might, but these things happen 
with computer software.

Anyone else had similar experiences to mine?

Teresa

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A List Update From Moderator Mark: All Is Well

2011-07-29 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone,  

First, as Cara and I manage both the MacVisionaries and V iPhone lists, I am
cross-posting.

Second, allow me to extend a welcome to all the new list members.  

For the past couple of hours, I given a great deal of thought on how to
respond to some of the statements made on list, today.  Finally, it occurred
to me that to respond to the messages that have stirred up more than a few
flames would be the worst thing I could possibly do.  So, instead, I will
say the following:

1.
Like it or not, as blind and low vision people, we share an existence that
binds us together in a very special way.  Some people treasure this bond and
some do not but regardless it is there.  I want you all to know that I value
this connection more than words can express.

2.
I ask you all to keep in mind that despite the efforts of some list members,
neither the MacVisionaries nor the V iPhone lists exist merely to serve as a
database of questions and answers; if that is what you seek, then you would
be better serve by searching your nearest knowledge base.  In addition to
exchanging knowledge, This list is a place for us to fellowship in some
small way.  I want to make it clear that in no way am I condoning personal
chat-like posts but, from time-to-time, such posts will make their way to
the entire list.  When this happens, please be tolerant.

3.
We share a bond, Family, so it really doesn't matter to which list you
choose to subscribe for the information will eventually find its way to us
all.  I don't want anyone to leave the list for I sincerely think Cara has
cultivated something very unique and special here but if you think you can
build a better mousetrap then, by all means, build it and we will celebrate
you for in so doing, we celebrate ourselves as we are one community.  It's
really that simple.  There is no competition.  

4.
A very special thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions
and publish some of the best podcasts in the world.  I'm always excited when
someone posts a notice to the list describing his/her latest podcast which
is filled with useful information from which we all can benefit.  Thank you,
thank you, thank you.

5.
It is not easy to manage large email lists for there will always be some who
choose to see only the shadows in a room filled with light. It is to these
list members that I say the following: Personal criticisms will no longer be
tolerated.  While I will not ban anyone from receiving information posted to
the list, if you lob personal attacks against any other list member or take
it upon yourself to moderate fellow members by criticizing their posts, I
will summarily revoke your posting privileges.  It's really that simple.  If
you have a problem which a list member, contact that person off-list.  If
you don't like something on the list, Contact Cara or me.  Just so you know,
I have already begun to implement this policy.  

6.
To those who think that no one is listening, I want you to know that,
because of the brilliant implementation of VoiceOver with the Mac mail
client and the iOS mail client, I either read or skim through virtually all
of the list messages.

7.
To those of you who find yourselves being overwhelmed with posts from the
lists, I invite you to consider either switching to List Digest Mode or
explore your preferred mail client so that you can browse list messages more
efficiently.

8.
I want you to know that I look forward to reading all your messages.  When
reading, I am amazed at how comforting it is to learn that I am not the only
one experiencing a particular problem or challenge on my Apple device or in
my Apple compatible software.  Some how, I feel less alone when reading your
experiences so please keep them coming.

9.
As has been stated several times before, whenever there is a major operating
system release, list traffic will increase.  Please be tolerant of this and
know that more often than not, the increase is temporary.

10.
We live in amazing times, Family; keep this in mind when you find yourself
becoming discouraged, irritated, or just plain bothered.  As blind and low
vision people, we enjoy access to the world in ways that no generation
before us could even imagine.

Be assured that the integrity of this list is intact and all is well.

I hope this message finds you happy, safe, and making a joyful noise.

Most Sincerely,

Mark

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backuping vo-settings: activities

2011-07-29 Thread William Windels
Hello all,
I would like to know if the made activities are also stored in the global 
export of the vo-settings?
It would be nice if I don't have to make that again after reinstalling lion on 
a clean way.

Thx for your answers,
kind regards 
William 

Mvg
william Windels

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

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Re: A List Update From Moderator Mark: All Is Well

2011-07-29 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, Mark,

Thanks for your positive words. I agree with you whole-heartedly on all the 
points you've made.

Keep up the good work, Mark and everyone else who is responsible for making 
this list the informative and empowering thing it is.

Be well,
Teresa
On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

 Hello Everyone,  
 
 First, as Cara and I manage both the MacVisionaries and V iPhone lists, I am
 cross-posting.
 
 Second, allow me to extend a welcome to all the new list members.  
 
 For the past couple of hours, I given a great deal of thought on how to
 respond to some of the statements made on list, today.  Finally, it occurred
 to me that to respond to the messages that have stirred up more than a few
 flames would be the worst thing I could possibly do.  So, instead, I will
 say the following:
 
 1.
 Like it or not, as blind and low vision people, we share an existence that
 binds us together in a very special way.  Some people treasure this bond and
 some do not but regardless it is there.  I want you all to know that I value
 this connection more than words can express.
 
 2.
 I ask you all to keep in mind that despite the efforts of some list members,
 neither the MacVisionaries nor the V iPhone lists exist merely to serve as a
 database of questions and answers; if that is what you seek, then you would
 be better serve by searching your nearest knowledge base.  In addition to
 exchanging knowledge, This list is a place for us to fellowship in some
 small way.  I want to make it clear that in no way am I condoning personal
 chat-like posts but, from time-to-time, such posts will make their way to
 the entire list.  When this happens, please be tolerant.
 
 3.
 We share a bond, Family, so it really doesn't matter to which list you
 choose to subscribe for the information will eventually find its way to us
 all.  I don't want anyone to leave the list for I sincerely think Cara has
 cultivated something very unique and special here but if you think you can
 build a better mousetrap then, by all means, build it and we will celebrate
 you for in so doing, we celebrate ourselves as we are one community.  It's
 really that simple.  There is no competition.  
 
 4.
 A very special thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions
 and publish some of the best podcasts in the world.  I'm always excited when
 someone posts a notice to the list describing his/her latest podcast which
 is filled with useful information from which we all can benefit.  Thank you,
 thank you, thank you.
 
 5.
 It is not easy to manage large email lists for there will always be some who
 choose to see only the shadows in a room filled with light. It is to these
 list members that I say the following: Personal criticisms will no longer be
 tolerated.  While I will not ban anyone from receiving information posted to
 the list, if you lob personal attacks against any other list member or take
 it upon yourself to moderate fellow members by criticizing their posts, I
 will summarily revoke your posting privileges.  It's really that simple.  If
 you have a problem which a list member, contact that person off-list.  If
 you don't like something on the list, Contact Cara or me.  Just so you know,
 I have already begun to implement this policy.  
 
 6.
 To those who think that no one is listening, I want you to know that,
 because of the brilliant implementation of VoiceOver with the Mac mail
 client and the iOS mail client, I either read or skim through virtually all
 of the list messages.
 
 7.
 To those of you who find yourselves being overwhelmed with posts from the
 lists, I invite you to consider either switching to List Digest Mode or
 explore your preferred mail client so that you can browse list messages more
 efficiently.
 
 8.
 I want you to know that I look forward to reading all your messages.  When
 reading, I am amazed at how comforting it is to learn that I am not the only
 one experiencing a particular problem or challenge on my Apple device or in
 my Apple compatible software.  Some how, I feel less alone when reading your
 experiences so please keep them coming.
 
 9.
 As has been stated several times before, whenever there is a major operating
 system release, list traffic will increase.  Please be tolerant of this and
 know that more often than not, the increase is temporary.
 
 10.
 We live in amazing times, Family; keep this in mind when you find yourself
 becoming discouraged, irritated, or just plain bothered.  As blind and low
 vision people, we enjoy access to the world in ways that no generation
 before us could even imagine.
 
 Be assured that the integrity of this list is intact and all is well.
 
 I hope this message finds you happy, safe, and making a joyful noise.
 
 Most Sincerely,
 
 Mark
 
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Re: A List Update From Moderator Mark: All Is Well

2011-07-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi Everyone.

I too agree with Teresa and may this list become positive in all that we do.

I may not ask or answer many questions but I have made some friendships on here 
which I value highly not least Mark as he knows how much I value his 
contribution.  I am very excited when I listen to his podcasts plus I love 
everyone's podcast

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2011, at 08:15 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Mark,
 
 Thanks for your positive words. I agree with you whole-heartedly on all the 
 points you've made.
 
 Keep up the good work, Mark and everyone else who is responsible for making 
 this list the informative and empowering thing it is.
 
 Be well,
 Teresa
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,  
 
 First, as Cara and I manage both the MacVisionaries and V iPhone lists, I am
 cross-posting.
 
 Second, allow me to extend a welcome to all the new list members.  
 
 For the past couple of hours, I given a great deal of thought on how to
 respond to some of the statements made on list, today.  Finally, it occurred
 to me that to respond to the messages that have stirred up more than a few
 flames would be the worst thing I could possibly do.  So, instead, I will
 say the following:
 
 1.
 Like it or not, as blind and low vision people, we share an existence that
 binds us together in a very special way.  Some people treasure this bond and
 some do not but regardless it is there.  I want you all to know that I value
 this connection more than words can express.
 
 2.
 I ask you all to keep in mind that despite the efforts of some list members,
 neither the MacVisionaries nor the V iPhone lists exist merely to serve as a
 database of questions and answers; if that is what you seek, then you would
 be better serve by searching your nearest knowledge base.  In addition to
 exchanging knowledge, This list is a place for us to fellowship in some
 small way.  I want to make it clear that in no way am I condoning personal
 chat-like posts but, from time-to-time, such posts will make their way to
 the entire list.  When this happens, please be tolerant.
 
 3.
 We share a bond, Family, so it really doesn't matter to which list you
 choose to subscribe for the information will eventually find its way to us
 all.  I don't want anyone to leave the list for I sincerely think Cara has
 cultivated something very unique and special here but if you think you can
 build a better mousetrap then, by all means, build it and we will celebrate
 you for in so doing, we celebrate ourselves as we are one community.  It's
 really that simple.  There is no competition.  
 
 4.
 A very special thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions
 and publish some of the best podcasts in the world.  I'm always excited when
 someone posts a notice to the list describing his/her latest podcast which
 is filled with useful information from which we all can benefit.  Thank you,
 thank you, thank you.
 
 5.
 It is not easy to manage large email lists for there will always be some who
 choose to see only the shadows in a room filled with light. It is to these
 list members that I say the following: Personal criticisms will no longer be
 tolerated.  While I will not ban anyone from receiving information posted to
 the list, if you lob personal attacks against any other list member or take
 it upon yourself to moderate fellow members by criticizing their posts, I
 will summarily revoke your posting privileges.  It's really that simple.  If
 you have a problem which a list member, contact that person off-list.  If
 you don't like something on the list, Contact Cara or me.  Just so you know,
 I have already begun to implement this policy.  
 
 6.
 To those who think that no one is listening, I want you to know that,
 because of the brilliant implementation of VoiceOver with the Mac mail
 client and the iOS mail client, I either read or skim through virtually all
 of the list messages.
 
 7.
 To those of you who find yourselves being overwhelmed with posts from the
 lists, I invite you to consider either switching to List Digest Mode or
 explore your preferred mail client so that you can browse list messages more
 efficiently.
 
 8.
 I want you to know that I look forward to reading all your messages.  When
 reading, I am amazed at how comforting it is to learn that I am not the only
 one experiencing a particular problem or challenge on my Apple device or in
 my Apple compatible software.  Some how, I feel less alone when reading your
 experiences so please keep them coming.
 
 9.
 As has been stated several times before, whenever there is a major operating
 system release, list traffic will increase.  Please be tolerant of this and
 know that more often than not, the increase is temporary.
 
 10.
 We live in amazing times, Family; keep this in mind when you find yourself
 becoming discouraged, irritated, or just plain bothered.  As blind and low
 vision people, we enjoy 

Re: A List Update From Moderator Mark: All Is Well

2011-07-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Sorry just have to finish what I am saying.

I think it would be good if we
could all work together and build a fabulous list.

Kawal.
Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2011, at 08:15 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Mark,
 
 Thanks for your positive words. I agree with you whole-heartedly on all the 
 points you've made.
 
 Keep up the good work, Mark and everyone else who is responsible for making 
 this list the informative and empowering thing it is.
 
 Be well,
 Teresa
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,  
 
 First, as Cara and I manage both the MacVisionaries and V iPhone lists, I am
 cross-posting.
 
 Second, allow me to extend a welcome to all the new list members.  
 
 For the past couple of hours, I given a great deal of thought on how to
 respond to some of the statements made on list, today.  Finally, it occurred
 to me that to respond to the messages that have stirred up more than a few
 flames would be the worst thing I could possibly do.  So, instead, I will
 say the following:
 
 1.
 Like it or not, as blind and low vision people, we share an existence that
 binds us together in a very special way.  Some people treasure this bond and
 some do not but regardless it is there.  I want you all to know that I value
 this connection more than words can express.
 
 2.
 I ask you all to keep in mind that despite the efforts of some list members,
 neither the MacVisionaries nor the V iPhone lists exist merely to serve as a
 database of questions and answers; if that is what you seek, then you would
 be better serve by searching your nearest knowledge base.  In addition to
 exchanging knowledge, This list is a place for us to fellowship in some
 small way.  I want to make it clear that in no way am I condoning personal
 chat-like posts but, from time-to-time, such posts will make their way to
 the entire list.  When this happens, please be tolerant.
 
 3.
 We share a bond, Family, so it really doesn't matter to which list you
 choose to subscribe for the information will eventually find its way to us
 all.  I don't want anyone to leave the list for I sincerely think Cara has
 cultivated something very unique and special here but if you think you can
 build a better mousetrap then, by all means, build it and we will celebrate
 you for in so doing, we celebrate ourselves as we are one community.  It's
 really that simple.  There is no competition.  
 
 4.
 A very special thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions
 and publish some of the best podcasts in the world.  I'm always excited when
 someone posts a notice to the list describing his/her latest podcast which
 is filled with useful information from which we all can benefit.  Thank you,
 thank you, thank you.
 
 5.
 It is not easy to manage large email lists for there will always be some who
 choose to see only the shadows in a room filled with light. It is to these
 list members that I say the following: Personal criticisms will no longer be
 tolerated.  While I will not ban anyone from receiving information posted to
 the list, if you lob personal attacks against any other list member or take
 it upon yourself to moderate fellow members by criticizing their posts, I
 will summarily revoke your posting privileges.  It's really that simple.  If
 you have a problem which a list member, contact that person off-list.  If
 you don't like something on the list, Contact Cara or me.  Just so you know,
 I have already begun to implement this policy.  
 
 6.
 To those who think that no one is listening, I want you to know that,
 because of the brilliant implementation of VoiceOver with the Mac mail
 client and the iOS mail client, I either read or skim through virtually all
 of the list messages.
 
 7.
 To those of you who find yourselves being overwhelmed with posts from the
 lists, I invite you to consider either switching to List Digest Mode or
 explore your preferred mail client so that you can browse list messages more
 efficiently.
 
 8.
 I want you to know that I look forward to reading all your messages.  When
 reading, I am amazed at how comforting it is to learn that I am not the only
 one experiencing a particular problem or challenge on my Apple device or in
 my Apple compatible software.  Some how, I feel less alone when reading your
 experiences so please keep them coming.
 
 9.
 As has been stated several times before, whenever there is a major operating
 system release, list traffic will increase.  Please be tolerant of this and
 know that more often than not, the increase is temporary.
 
 10.
 We live in amazing times, Family; keep this in mind when you find yourself
 becoming discouraged, irritated, or just plain bothered.  As blind and low
 vision people, we enjoy access to the world in ways that no generation
 before us could even imagine.
 
 Be assured that the integrity of this list is intact and all is well.
 
 I hope this message finds you happy, safe, and 

Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard

2011-07-29 Thread David Hole
Hi again.
When I select an artist, and press play, it plays all the songs thats
listed, so I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.
One of the purposes of Spotify is playlists. Make a playlist of the
songs you want, and then ith shall play.
Hope that helps.
-David

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 07:04, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had the chance to check that out by choosing an artist that I know I
 don't have any of in my personal collection. And yes, you're right.
  Next question is, how do I set it up so that all the tunes that I
 find under an artist get played in a row instead of one at a time?  I
 heard one song followed by an ad.  I don't care about the commercials,
 but I would like to hear several songs in a row commercials are not. I
 don't want to have to press the play button for each song.

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Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard

2011-07-29 Thread David Eagle
I downloaded spotify for the Mac and foudn it completely inaccessible.
It had been a little accessible on windows . But then I tried it on
windows. Spotify updated itself and became completely inaccessible on
windows. I use Napster using the web interface on the Mac which is
more or less accessible, apart from the volume slider which voice-over
doesn't see.

On 29/07/2011, David Hole balubathebr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi again.
 When I select an artist, and press play, it plays all the songs thats
 listed, so I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.
 One of the purposes of Spotify is playlists. Make a playlist of the
 songs you want, and then ith shall play.
 Hope that helps.
 -David

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 07:04, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had the chance to check that out by choosing an artist that I know I
 don't have any of in my personal collection. And yes, you're right.
  Next question is, how do I set it up so that all the tunes that I
 find under an artist get played in a row instead of one at a time?  I
 heard one song followed by an ad.  I don't care about the commercials,
 but I would like to hear several songs in a row commercials are not. I
 don't want to have to press the play button for each song.

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Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac

2011-07-29 Thread Max
Thanks. I've managed to download some books from Kobo and i'm reading
them with Adobe Digital Editions 1.8 preview.
Just to put it very clearly - you need to interact with the page, then
make sure that quicknav is off, and then you can page back and forward
with left and right. It works pretty well - although more control and
the option for continuous reading is certainly missed. I think it is
worth engaging with Adobe on sorting out these final niggles in what
is a much-improved app for the Mac.

I'd also encourage people to write to apple to request iBooks for the
Mac. The access potential is so huge - and it is really silly that it
should be held up by small technicalities at this point.

Jane wrote:
 I just use the arrow keys for previous and next page.  Left for previous, 
 right for next.

 Jane


 On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

  Hello Max,
 
  I'm not Jane, but I've started using Adobe Digital Editions Preview. 
  Theoretically, you can interact with the page and read using the usual VO 
  reading commands. However, I find that every time I interact with the page, 
  VO crashes.
 
  As for continuous reading, it isn't currently possible, but you can speed 
  up page turning by creating your own shortcuts for Previous Page and Next 
  Page.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Anne
 
 
  On 27 Jul 2011, at 15:37, Max wrote:
 
  Thank you Jane. I downloaded Adobe Digital Editions 1.8 preview and it
  seems to be quite accessible with Voice Over. At the moment i can
  only  read by page - but maybe i just haven't found the short cut keys
  for reading by line etc yet. I'm also finding that after every page i
  manually have to click on next page before it goes on. Do you know if
  there is a setting to make pages turn automatically?
  Either way, it is a massive improvement over the previous Digital
  Editions App which wasn't at all accessible.
 
 
 
  Jane wrote:
  Hi there.  Yes I am talking a bout 1.8 Beta for Adobe Digital Editions.
 
  As for Overdrive, not talking about those.  I'm talking specifically 
  about Kobo Books--I thought that's what the person was referring to.  
  Overdrive books are supposed to be supported now with adobe 1.8.  I have 
  yet to find out, but I plan to--soon.
 
  Jane
 
 
  On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Esther wrote:
 
  Hi Jane,
 
  Wow, this must be the 1.8 beta that is supposed to add accessibility 
  support.  According to the MacUpdate page, this was released July 20, 
  2011. Is this usable? The current stable version of Adobe Digital 
  Editions (1.7.2) does not let VoiceOver read anything.  The MacUpdate 
  reviews of this product (stable versions) by sighted users are at the 
  lowest ratings.  Have things gotten better? On the iPad are you using 
  this with OverDrive? (since BlueFire Reader, the other app that supports 
  library downloadable ADE DRM renders even books without DRM protection 
  unreadable by VoiceOver).
 
  Cheers,
 
  Esther
 
  On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:20, Jane wrote:
 
  I am currently using Adobe Digital Edition 1.8 to read books from Kobo 
  on the Mac.  I am also getting it to work on the iPad.  It takes some 
  fiddling, but you can read books from there with either the Mac or the 
  iPad or other iDevice.
 
  Jane
 
 
  On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Max wrote:
 
  Hi. Can anyone give some advice on reading e-books on the Mac?
  I've tried the Kindle and Kobo apps for Mac and they are both not
  accessible.
  I know that Stanza can read some DRM-free formats - but that only
  takes you so far.
  Are there any Mac solutions that are as easy to use and accessible as
  iBooks on the iPhone?
  Please help
  Thanks
  Max
 
 
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Re: Auto log in for the Mac

2011-07-29 Thread Scott Howell
Did you unlock these preferences first? Some preferences such as the account 
options are locked even if you are the administrator.

On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:36 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

 I am still struggling with this issue. I have found options for
 disabling auto login in the Accounts applet of system preferences but
 all items appear to be dimmed. There is a radio button for auto log in
 as well as check boxes for use voice over and show password hints. All
 of which are dimmed as well. In security there is only one button that
 is not dimmed.
 Frank
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:59 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Auto log in for the Mac
 
 It was in security I think, something about the automatic log in.
 On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
 
 Hi! I had this problem for a while, but changed it somewhere under 
 system preferences. I wish I could remember exactly, but the 1 thing I
 
 remember clearly is that 1 setting was the opposite of what you'd
 logically think it should be. I think you have to disable auto-login.
 Anyway, mine doesn't do it any more. Good luck fixing the problem.
 Missy
 
 
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 Subject: Auto log in for the Mac
 
 Hi all, my Mac Book Pro just started doing something different after 
 the last round of updates. When powered on it used to immediately log
 me in.
 Now when powered on it lands at the log on screen and asks me to log 
 on, even though I have the only account on this Mac. Any ideas how I 
 can fix this?
 Tia
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Keynote error

2011-07-29 Thread Allison Manzino
Hi all,

I just tried to oepn Keynote and received the following error. Does anyone know 
what this means? I'm stumped. I will try to restart and see if this helps. I've 
been able to launch Pages, and I'm not sure about Numbers, I have to check. If 
anyone could help, I'd grately appreciate it. Have a great day.
Here is the message I receive when opening Keynote Process: Keynote 
[345]
Path:/Applications/iWork '09/Keynote.app/Contents/MacOS/Keynote
Identifier:  com.apple.iWork.Keynote
Version: 5.0.5 (942)
Build Info:  Keynote-942~2
Code Type:   X86 (Native)
Parent Process:  launchd [128]

Date/Time:   2011-07-29 07:28:00.579 -0400
OS Version:  Mac OS X 10.7 (11A511)
Report Version:  9

Interval Since Last Report:  101598 sec
Crashes Since Last Report:   4
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   2
Anonymous UUID:  A4323F68-45CE-4DFB-A50D-8A6FF4A91199

Crashed Thread:  0

Exception Type:  EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes: 0x0002, 0x

Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries

Dyld Error Message:
  Symbol not found: _SFXTransform3DIdentity
  Referenced from: /Applications/iWork '09/Keynote.app/Contents/MacOS/Keynote
  Expected in: /Library/Application Support/iWork 
'09/*/SFAnimation.framework/Versions/A/SFAnimation

Binary Images:


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Voice Memos and Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Allison Manzino
Hi all,

I have tried to sync my  Voice memos  from my Iphone to my Mac. This might be 
better suited to the Viphone list. If it is, I apologize. The reason I think it 
is relevant here, is that I was able to sync my memos in Snow Leopard, now that 
I've updated to Lion they don't seem to be syncing. Any ideas?

Allison

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Re: Keynote error

2011-07-29 Thread Bryan Jones
Hello Allison,

I noticed in your error message that you appear to have an older version of 
Keynote running on Lion. My first thought was that you might need to upgrade to 
the latest version of Keynote, which is version 5.1. Apple released free 
updates for Keynote, Pages and Numbers a few days before releasing Lion and I 
believe they addressed some Lion-related issues. You should be able to get the 
updates by running the standard Software Update process from the Apple menu.

HTH,
Bryan

On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
 I just tried to oepn Keynote and received the following error. Does anyone 
 know what this means? I'm stumped. I will try to restart and see if this 
 helps. I've been able to launch Pages, and I'm not sure about Numbers, I have 
 to check. If anyone could help, I'd grately appreciate it. Have a great day.
 Here is the message I receive when opening Keynote Process: Keynote 
 [345]
 Path:/Applications/iWork '09/Keynote.app/Contents/MacOS/Keynote
 Identifier:  com.apple.iWork.Keynote
 Version: 5.0.5 (942)
 Build Info:  Keynote-942~2
 Code Type:   X86 (Native)
 Parent Process:  launchd [128]
 
 Date/Time:   2011-07-29 07:28:00.579 -0400

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Re: Looking for a music creator program

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

did you try bringing up the edit window with command E or pressing the edit 
button or, bringing up the keyboard with command K, which can also be found in 
the windows menu?

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On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

Hi. We took a look at it last night. It has nothing in it for writing a score. 
It all deals with loops and recorded music. Interesting, but no way to enter a 
music score.
Still looks like it would be fun to play with, though.

On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 I don't know this for sure but I believe it does.  Why not have her try it 
 out?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
 
 Does garage band allow one to enter a score without hooking up a midi device? 
 Cakewalk and scorewriter allowed one to do this using a mouse. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Jeff Bishop j...@jeffbishop.com wrote:
 
 Couldn't Garage Band do this maybe?
 
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 Subject: Looking for a music creator program
 
 Hi, All. On the PC, my sighted wife used to use a version of Cakewalk a few
 years ago which allowed her to enter music one note at a time. I'm not a
 music reader, but i guess she could enter the staffs and create the entire
 choir song as if it were played on the piano. 
 She would use her mouse to do this.
 She could then save the mp3 so I could listen to it and learn my part. She
 could even drop the volume on the other parts so I could primarily hear the
 bass line.
 Is there anything like that on the Mac?
 I'd like to find something for as I know she enjoyed entering music.
 Since she is sighted, accessibility isn't an issue.
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Re: Looking for a music creator program

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Yup,

But I believe he said his wife was sighted so, voiceover accessibility might 
not be a high priority in this case.

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

Unfortunately,  there's nothing that works with VoiceOver.  You write
notation, you can look at Sibelius.

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Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hmm,

When I interact with the page, voiceover crashes.

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Max wrote:

Thanks. I've managed to download some books from Kobo and i'm reading
them with Adobe Digital Editions 1.8 preview.
Just to put it very clearly - you need to interact with the page, then
make sure that quicknav is off, and then you can page back and forward
with left and right. It works pretty well - although more control and
the option for continuous reading is certainly missed. I think it is
worth engaging with Adobe on sorting out these final niggles in what
is a much-improved app for the Mac.

I'd also encourage people to write to apple to request iBooks for the
Mac. The access potential is so huge - and it is really silly that it
should be held up by small technicalities at this point.

Jane wrote:
 I just use the arrow keys for previous and next page.  Left for previous, 
 right for next.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 
 Hello Max,
 
 I'm not Jane, but I've started using Adobe Digital Editions Preview. 
 Theoretically, you can interact with the page and read using the usual VO 
 reading commands. However, I find that every time I interact with the page, 
 VO crashes.
 
 As for continuous reading, it isn't currently possible, but you can speed up 
 page turning by creating your own shortcuts for Previous Page and Next Page.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 27 Jul 2011, at 15:37, Max wrote:
 
 Thank you Jane. I downloaded Adobe Digital Editions 1.8 preview and it
 seems to be quite accessible with Voice Over. At the moment i can
 only  read by page - but maybe i just haven't found the short cut keys
 for reading by line etc yet. I'm also finding that after every page i
 manually have to click on next page before it goes on. Do you know if
 there is a setting to make pages turn automatically?
 Either way, it is a massive improvement over the previous Digital
 Editions App which wasn't at all accessible.
 
 
 
 Jane wrote:
 Hi there.  Yes I am talking a bout 1.8 Beta for Adobe Digital Editions.
 
 As for Overdrive, not talking about those.  I'm talking specifically about 
 Kobo Books--I thought that's what the person was referring to.  Overdrive 
 books are supposed to be supported now with adobe 1.8.  I have yet to find 
 out, but I plan to--soon.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Jane,
 
 Wow, this must be the 1.8 beta that is supposed to add accessibility 
 support.  According to the MacUpdate page, this was released July 20, 
 2011. Is this usable? The current stable version of Adobe Digital 
 Editions (1.7.2) does not let VoiceOver read anything.  The MacUpdate 
 reviews of this product (stable versions) by sighted users are at the 
 lowest ratings.  Have things gotten better? On the iPad are you using 
 this with OverDrive? (since BlueFire Reader, the other app that supports 
 library downloadable ADE DRM renders even books without DRM protection 
 unreadable by VoiceOver).
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:20, Jane wrote:
 
 I am currently using Adobe Digital Edition 1.8 to read books from Kobo 
 on the Mac.  I am also getting it to work on the iPad.  It takes some 
 fiddling, but you can read books from there with either the Mac or the 
 iPad or other iDevice.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Max wrote:
 
 Hi. Can anyone give some advice on reading e-books on the Mac?
 I've tried the Kindle and Kobo apps for Mac and they are both not
 accessible.
 I know that Stanza can read some DRM-free formats - but that only
 takes you so far.
 Are there any Mac solutions that are as easy to use and accessible as
 iBooks on the iPhone?
 Please help
 Thanks
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Re: backuping vo-settings: activities

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
I don't know this for a fact but, I assume it would.  You should test it out 
and report your findings. :). lol

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:56 AM, William Windels wrote:

Hello all,
I would like to know if the made activities are also stored in the global 
export of the vo-settings?
It would be nice if I don't have to make that again after reinstalling lion on 
a clean way.

Thx for your answers,
kind regards 
William 

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Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac

2011-07-29 Thread Mary Otten
Max, Are you using SL or Lion with the Adobe application? It seems people with 
Lion are reporting crashes upon interacting with a page. Also, just to clarify, 
should this Adobe beta allow the use of books from the google store as well as 
Kobo and Barnes and Noble's nook store? I've been out of town for a few days 
and could not believe the number of messages I just went through, so it is 
possible this has been answered and I missed it in the flood.

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Bookmarks bug in Safari?

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi folks,

I noticed when in Safari, when I press command D to save a webpage to 
bookmarks, voiceover does not see the add to bookmarks window.  I have to 
toggle voiceover on/off for voiceover to see it.  Are others having this 
problem?

Thanks.


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Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
I'm not sure about google but, It does work with BN and Kobo.

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Max, Are you using SL or Lion with the Adobe application? It seems people with 
Lion are reporting crashes upon interacting with a page. Also, just to clarify, 
should this Adobe beta allow the use of books from the google store as well as 
Kobo and Barnes and Noble's nook store? I've been out of town for a few days 
and could not believe the number of messages I just went through, so it is 
possible this has been answered and I missed it in the flood.

Mary

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Re: Choosing a Mac Book Air

2011-07-29 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Garth,

one other thing to throw in, as its not been covered, but you mention it in 
your last post, battery life, I have the 11in, and have just bought the newer 
11in, so have a spare 11in, fully upgraded up for sale, :_), contact off list 
if interested...

the 11in with the screen turned off or dulled right down, for those moments you 
are using Voice Over only, will give like 11 hours or so battery life.
On 28 Jul 2011, at 23:22, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Good luck.  I'm sure you will pick the machine that best suits your needs.

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On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

Thanks to both of you.

I think my choice is now pretty clearly between the 11 inch with 4Gb and 128 Gb 
SSD and the 13 inch with the same spec. There is a $100 price difference 
between the two at $1349 or $1449. The 13 also has a slightly faster processor 
and supposably better battery life.  I guess I will just keep playing with them 
in store.  The base model is only $1099 Australian but as I suspected, I 
shouldn't have been considering this one. 

Garth

On 29/07/2011, at 12:05 AM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:

 Hello Garth,
 
 I have a late 2010 11 inch macbook air and can give my opinions. I've never 
 tried the 13 inch Air, so I won't give an opinion on it.
 Regarding RAM: I think there are several good reasons to purchase it with 4 
 GB of RAM.
 Reason one: Unlike most computers, RAM on the Air is not upgradable after 
 you've purchased it. It is soldered to the system board and cannot be 
 expanded. Perhaps an enterprising third party will come along with a method 
 of upgrading RAM but as of yet this has not happened to the best of my 
 knowledge.
 Reason two: Lion's minimum RAM requirement is two GB. It's probably a good 
 idea to have more than the minimum even if you only plan to do basic web 
 surfing, email and skype..
 Reason three: If you're considering the only model that comes with 2GB RAM, I 
 assume that also means you're considering the 64 GB SSD that comes with that 
 base model. Apple's retail price is US $100 to bump that base model up to 
 4GB. However, if you bypass the base model and go with the higher-level 
 model, you will get both the additional 2 GB of RAM plus a 128 GB SSD for not 
 a lot more money, especially if you shop around at vendors such as macmall 
 and amazon where you can find better pricing. While I would normally also 
 recommend looking at Apple's online refurb store, in this case I think the 
 reported performance improvements of the newest Air probably outweigh the 
 small price difference offered by purchasing a last-generation refurbished 
 Air.
 
 Regarding Zoom: I used Zoom extensively in the past when my vision was 
 better, and I still use it sometimes with my 24 inch external monitor. For 
 getting out of tricky situations, I find Zoom is fine on the 11 inch screen. 
 Try it in the store and see what you think. You can zoom the heck out of most 
 things. If you're like me and cannot see anything on a white background, you 
 might want to also try reversing the video to white-on-black. The Zoom, color 
 and contrast options can all be found and quickly toggled in the Universal 
 Access panel of System Preferences. If you decide to attach an external 
 monitor, you can do this through the new Thunderbolt port which actually 
 doubles as a mini DisplayPort, thus allowing you to use Apple's variety of 
 adapters to connect to VGA, DVI and I think HDMI displays.
 
 HTH,
 Bryan
 
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
 I am trying to decide which Mac Book Air to buy.  I would love to hear the 
 experiences of those of you who use the zoom feature with VO.  I have been 
 trying the air out at our local Apple store and am trying to decide between 
 the 11 inch and the 13 inch models.
 
 Firstly, do you all think that it is important to get 4  Gb RAM or would 2 
 Gb be fine with VO.  Keep in mind that the Air would primarily be used for 
 email and browsing. At times I will be using the Air for skype and will want 
 to be able to record the audio.
 
 Next, how well does the Zoom feature work. The reason for asking is that I 
 am trying to evaluate the value of spending an extra $100 or so for the 
 extra screen realestate of the 13 inch.  My sight is poor enough that I 
 would probably only use the screen to help get out of those tricky 
 situations where seeing the screen makes it easier.  I hope this makes sence 
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Re: Good Things About Lion and Safari

2011-07-29 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Yes, i don't have any problems with my preferences  either. Everything seems to 
work as it should now. In fact, the things i've seen as bugs have been reported 
to Apple Accessibility and i've gotten confirmation that they are being worked 
on, so i'm convinced they will be fixed sooner or later.
/Krister

29 jul 2011 kl. 08:39 skrev Teresa Cochran:

 Well, I suppose those too words are a good fit in more than one context. :) 
 In any case, here are some things I've noticed improvement  on with VO.
 
 1. VO just seems much more stable to me. I haven't had to restart it once 
 since I got Lion a week ago.
 
 2. I used to have a terrible problem with quick-nav spontaneously activating 
 itself. No more. Yay.
 
 3. I haven't had to import my vO prefs once since I've had Lion, whereas I 
 used to have to do this three times in a week.
 
 4. Safari and vO play much more nicely together, IMO. There are many fewer 
 busy messages.
 
 Good job, developers. I'm pleased in general. Of course, there are always 
 little things that don't go as smoothly as they might, but these things 
 happen with computer software.
 
 Anyone else had similar experiences to mine?
 
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Re: Bookmarks bug in Safari?

2011-07-29 Thread Bryan Jones
Hello Ricardo,

I'm not having that problem. Pressing Command+D pops up the Save this page 
to... dialog box with VO focused on it in Safari 5.1. For kicks, I also tried 
it in the latest webkit and chrome and it also worked OK in both. Lion on late 
2010 MBA.

HTH,
Bryan

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 toggle voiceover on/off for voiceover to see it.  Are others having this 
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Re: New mac and apple care pertection plan.

2011-07-29 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Matthew,

No, Apple Care Protection plans are specific and unique to each device, so if 
you buy a new machine, then you will have to get a new plan, however, noting 
you have Apple Care, why have you not got them to fix the issues on your Mini?

you could why they are doing it ask them to upgrade the RAM to say 4Gb, which 
will let you easily run Lion, provide your Mini has a Core2 processor or higher.
On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:12, matthew dyer at work wrote:

Hi all.  I currently have a old mac  mini which is over 2 years old.  I have sl 
installed on it and it only has 1 gb of ram so can not install lion on it do to 
the specks of this machine.  I have possible 2 bad usb ports and even possibly 
a bad cd rom drive.  Any how If I were to get a new machine and assooming it 
was something like a mac book pro could my acp be transfered over to it or not. 
 I want to have something that has a screen since I woould have to pay extra 
for a display and addapter.  I am hoping I can maybe get someone to go in on it 
oor somethinng. I am not sure though.  Just wondered though.  Thanks.

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VoiceOver not starting automatically in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Joseph Norton
Hi list:

Have any of you noticed a problem with Lion where VoiceOver does not start 
automatically?

I had no problems installing, but, when I reboot, or religion, VoiceOver does 
not automatically come up.

Have they added a preference somewhere I don't know about?

Thanks!

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Preview in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi List,

just an observation and your experience please:
When I open a pdf file in Preview in Lion, interact with the content area and 
start reading with a two finger swipe on the trackpad, VoiceOver doesn't read 
the first one or two letters of the first word of a sentence. Can you duplicate 
this behavior or is it just me who did something wrong?

Thanks and
all the best
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Re: [Bulk] VoiceOver not starting automatically in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Nope.  Starts up for me just fine.


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On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

 Hi list:
 
 Have any of you noticed a problem with Lion where VoiceOver does not start 
 automatically?
 
 I had no problems installing, but, when I reboot, or religion, VoiceOver does 
 not automatically come up.
 
 Have they added a preference somewhere I don't know about?
 
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Re: VoiceOver not starting automatically in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

by any chance, do you have your Mac set up to log you in automatically or, do 
you have to type in your password?  If you have to type in your password, you 
need to go to system preferences/users and groups and set voiceover to turn on 
at the login screen

Ricardo Walker
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Hi list:

Have any of you noticed a problem with Lion where VoiceOver does not start 
automatically?

I had no problems installing, but, when I reboot, or religion, VoiceOver does 
not automatically come up.

Have they added a preference somewhere I don't know about?

Thanks!

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Re: Bookmarks bug in Safari?

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Thanks for this.  How odd.  I'm using a mid 2010 MBP.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

Hello Ricardo,

I'm not having that problem. Pressing Command+D pops up the Save this page 
to... dialog box with VO focused on it in Safari 5.1. For kicks, I also tried 
it in the latest webkit and chrome and it also worked OK in both. Lion on late 
2010 MBA.

HTH,
Bryan

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 I noticed when in Safari, when I press command D to save a webpage to 
 bookmarks, voiceover does not see the add to bookmarks window.  I have to 
 toggle voiceover on/off for voiceover to see it.  Are others having this 
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Scripting functionalities ...

2011-07-29 Thread Jon Cohn
How much have you actually looked at AppleScript?  The Voice Over set of 
commands just allows you to script the various VoiceOver functions if you want 
access to the menus or different graphical widgets an application that has been 
available in the Macintosh environment longer then VoiceOver has been around.  
I have not seen anybody try to merge the VoiceOver scripting and the UI element 
scripting, but doing this should give you the same level of control that jaws 
scripting gives to jaws users.

OK.  90% of the items you listed can or should be able to be done with 
Hotspots.  I wish hot spots were a bit more configurable:
1. ability to change some hot spots when application or focus changes.
2. Ability to have the HotSpot indicate only what changed when tracking is on.
 persistence in hotspots when used with AREA regions of a HTML 5 page.
 1. I an not quite sure about Skype chat, since I have only used it a couple of 
times, but for most chats turning off cursor tracking (which I would expect can 
now be done on a application basis ) should solve most of the issues. I find 
the jump command often does the right thing (though not innumbers)
I don't have any documents with footnotes / endnotes, so I can not truely 
discuss these, again since a foot note is a reference to a specific spot in the 
text, using the jump-to function might make sense.

 .  


Jonathan 

So an interesting request to the iWork accessability team would be to have VO-J 
jump from formula to table.  Though it might even be possible to do this with 
an apple script.

On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Massimo wrote:

 In data Giovedì 28 Luglio 2011 17.11.33, Krister Ekstrom 
 kris...@kristersplace.com ha scritto:
 Ok, i may be naive to the point of stupidness here, but i hope and pray to 
 God that we will be free from scripting on the VO platform.
 
 As you wish. What I need to have done is automatic reading of incoming 
 messages in skype active chat window. Right now, if I want to read incoming 
 chat messages, I need to move VO cursor, then I have to interact with the 
 HTML content, then I have to move to the last message. In alternative, I have 
 to unlink VO cursor from the  system focus and still I am not able to have 
 incoming messages read automatically. I need to enter commands. I need to 
 know if a paragraph contains footnotes and endnotes reference; and, if it 
 does and if I want, I should be able to read the note's content without 
 leaving the document text area. When in a spreadsheet, I need to define 
 monitor cells on a document base; when navigating the cells, I need to know 
 if a cell content is a constant or the result of a formula again without 
 leaving the spreadsheet itself. JAWS, Orca, NVDA, Windows eyes to are 
 scriptable. And it is a very powerfull feature. If you want to use that 
 feature, well, it is there; if you do not want, just don't. If something is 
 there, you can choose if you want to use it or not; if a feature is not 
 available... Yes, I know, you can control VO using Apple Script. But there 
 are some limitations and they are major limitations too.
 
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Re: Preview in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread William Mutch
Hi Jurgen, I have noticed the same thing. In fact it occasionally does not 
pronounce some of the text at the end of the line. I have written to mac 
accessibility. It would be nice if you could also write them as the more of us 
that do should highlight the problem and hasten a solution.
Regards 
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Re: VoiceOver not starting automatically in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Joseph Norton
Tried both ways.

VO starts in the login screen, but, after I log in (or after an autologin), it 
does not start.

The only thing I can think of is that, I'm running without a display.

I will try to get a monitor later today and see if it continues after I hook up 
the monitor.


On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,
 
 by any chance, do you have your Mac set up to log you in automatically or, do 
 you have to type in your password?  If you have to type in your password, you 
 need to go to system preferences/users and groups and set voiceover to turn 
 on at the login screen
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:
 
 Hi list:
 
 Have any of you noticed a problem with Lion where VoiceOver does not start 
 automatically?
 
 I had no problems installing, but, when I reboot, or religion, VoiceOver does 
 not automatically come up.
 
 Have they added a preference somewhere I don't know about?
 
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IWeb?

2011-07-29 Thread KliphSharrie
Just wondering what this program is for and what does it do?  Was poking around 
my mac and saw it.  Thanks.

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Re: IWeb?

2011-07-29 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi there!
I think it is to set up your own web pages and there layouts but as far as I 
know it is not vo friendly unless someone tells you otherwise!
Colin

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Re: Bookmarks bug in Safari?

2011-07-29 Thread Kevin Shaw
HI Riccardo,

I've experienced this within Safari as well as other applications where 
Voiceover will lose focus on the forward most window. Odd behaviour for sure. 
If a simple workaround is restarting VO, then it's not an insurmountable 
problem. It is frustrating though.

Kevin

On 2011-07-29, at 8:25 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I noticed when in Safari, when I press command D to save a webpage to 
 bookmarks, voiceover does not see the add to bookmarks window.  I have to 
 toggle voiceover on/off for voiceover to see it.  Are others having this 
 problem?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: custom sounds?

2011-07-29 Thread Jon Cohn
Yes, you can select play sound as one of the items in the Mail rules.  Just 
select add new action and then there should be a drop down for play sound.  
Once you select that a second drop down will appear with the sounds in your 
library sounds directory.  THere might be a browse button too, but I am not 
sure.

Jonathan 

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 Hello, someone mentioned on this list before that you could add your own 
 custom sounds in to mail?  How do you do this, and is there a way to set up a 
 rule to have individual sounds for different mailboxes?  Thanks.
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drag and drop question

2011-07-29 Thread chad baker
hi i'm trying to drag a bunch of loops i purchased a while back into gb
when i cycle through windows gb don't show up
any suggestions
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Re: Bookmarks bug in Safari?

2011-07-29 Thread Jon Cohn
Did uou try a window list?  Double click on the right side of the track pad 
with track pad commander on.  Also Control-Option-F2 twice...

Jonathan 

On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

 HI Riccardo,
 
 I've experienced this within Safari as well as other applications where 
 Voiceover will lose focus on the forward most window. Odd behaviour for sure. 
 If a simple workaround is restarting VO, then it's not an insurmountable 
 problem. It is frustrating though.
 
 Kevin
 
 On 2011-07-29, at 8:25 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I noticed when in Safari, when I press command D to save a webpage to 
 bookmarks, voiceover does not see the add to bookmarks window.  I have to 
 toggle voiceover on/off for voiceover to see it.  Are others having this 
 problem?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
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Re: drag and drop question

2011-07-29 Thread Jon Cohn
Make sure Garage Band is not in full screen mode.  
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 when i cycle through windows gb don't show up
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drag and drop solved

2011-07-29 Thread chad baker
hi i solved my drag and drop issue gb was in full screen took out of full 
screen worked
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Re: clean install of lion?

2011-07-29 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
sounds like you did not boot from the CD / USB, hold down the C key at start to 
boot from disk.


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On 27 Jul 2011, at 17:04, KliphSharrie wrote:

 Okay, tried to help a friend to a clean install of lion.  Burned the DVD, and 
 restarted the computer, launched disc utility from the DVD, and attempted to 
 erase the hard drive, but it kept saying error.  Am I doing something wrong, 
 did I miss a step, or am I suppose to ear ace with disc utility before I try 
 to use the dvd?  Thanks in advance!
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Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

2011-07-29 Thread Paul Henrichsen
Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like Handbrake. I 
want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 
If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?
I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup and put 
the original away for safe keeping.
I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft for 
windows, but they are totally inaccessible under windows.
Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on the 
mac?
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Re: Booting from the Lion Partition

2011-07-29 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
hold down command key and R together.


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On 27 Jul 2011, at 14:54, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:

Can anyone also please post the key sequence to boot up the machine
and bring up the Lion partition?

Thanks,
Mika

On 7/27/11, Dan Roy droy1...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem is, when you boo from that partition, the window chooser isn't
 available.  VO does work, but, it's a subset of the normal features.
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
 Try pressing control option f2 to open the window chooser menu, that
 usually will allow you to select the window you need.
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
 
 I want to do a fresh install of Lion.  I did the upgrade, but, as I
 mentioned on the list before, I am having a few problems.  I am thinking
 a clean install might straighten it out.  My problems seem to be unusual
 enough where I feel like something might have gotten corrupted during the
 upgrade or maybe even before.
 
 anyway, I am able to boot to the Lion partition with no problems.
 However, when I get to the part of the install where you have to put in
 your apple ID, apparently, that window is opening in the background.
 Since we don't have access to all the voiceover features, I can't seem to
 focus on that window in order to put in my ID.  I was able to shut off
 vo, and by tapping the trackpad randomly, I was able to get it to the
 foreground once.  However, I can't do it again.
 
 I am wondering if anyone has discovered another, more reliable way of
 getting it done?
 
 I am assuming that burning a CD would result in the same problem.
 
 If anyone has an idea of how to get around this,I would appreciate
 knowing about it, thanks.
 
 
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Re: Bookmarks bug in Safari?

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Yup,

Its not a show stopper at all.  I just wondered if others were experiencing 
this issue.  I'll send along a e-mail about this.

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

HI Riccardo,

I've experienced this within Safari as well as other applications where 
Voiceover will lose focus on the forward most window. Odd behaviour for sure. 
If a simple workaround is restarting VO, then it's not an insurmountable 
problem. It is frustrating though.

Kevin

On 2011-07-29, at 8:25 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I noticed when in Safari, when I press command D to save a webpage to 
 bookmarks, voiceover does not see the add to bookmarks window.  I have to 
 toggle voiceover on/off for voiceover to see it.  Are others having this 
 problem?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: drag and drop question

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

why drag and drop when you can just paste?

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:44 AM, chad baker wrote:

hi i'm trying to drag a bunch of loops i purchased a while back into gb
when i cycle through windows gb don't show up
any suggestions
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Re: Bookmarks bug in Safari?

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Just toggle VO on/off brings focus to it.  Its just the fact that it doesn't do 
it automatically 100% of the time.
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On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:

Did uou try a window list?  Double click on the right side of the track pad 
with track pad commander on.  Also Control-Option-F2 twice...

Jonathan 

On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

 HI Riccardo,
 
 I've experienced this within Safari as well as other applications where 
 Voiceover will lose focus on the forward most window. Odd behaviour for sure. 
 If a simple workaround is restarting VO, then it's not an insurmountable 
 problem. It is frustrating though.
 
 Kevin
 
 On 2011-07-29, at 8:25 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I noticed when in Safari, when I press command D to save a webpage to 
 bookmarks, voiceover does not see the add to bookmarks window.  I have to 
 toggle voiceover on/off for voiceover to see it.  Are others having this 
 problem?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac

2011-07-29 Thread Max
It is working for me on Lion. I did have some crashes before, but i
don't get crashes if i do exactly the following: 1. With quicknav on
interact with the page. 2. With the very next key bress put quicknav
off. 3. Then left and right works fine for skipping pages backward and
forward.

I've only tried it with Kobo books - but it should really work with
books from any store that uses Adobe epubs..

Ricardo Walker wrote:
 I'm not sure about google but, It does work with BN and Kobo.

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 Max, Are you using SL or Lion with the Adobe application? It seems people 
 with Lion are reporting crashes upon interacting with a page. Also, just to 
 clarify, should this Adobe beta allow the use of books from the google store 
 as well as Kobo and Barnes and Noble's nook store? I've been out of town for 
 a few days and could not believe the number of messages I just went through, 
 so it is possible this has been answered and I missed it in the flood.

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Re: Booting from the Lion Partition

2011-07-29 Thread Doug Lawlor
Hi Mika,
As I understand it the command is new in Lion and is designed to make it easier 
for you to activate the recovery partition. I have never heard the command-r 
while powering on mentioned before the release of Lion.  

Doug

On 2011-07-27, at 2:12 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:

 Thanks Doug, just curious, is this command-R key new or has it been
 around with SL?
 In other words would you use the same command-R to boot off a SL dvd
 on a mac that did not have Lion?
 Best,
 Mikab
 
 On 7/27/11, Doug Lawlor doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just hold down command-r while powering on and the recovery partition will
 come up.
 
 Doug
 
 On 2011-07-27, at 11:24 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:
 
 Can anyone also please post the key sequence to boot up the machine
 and bring up the Lion partition?
 
 Thanks,
 Mika
 
 On 7/27/11, Dan Roy droy1...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem is, when you boo from that partition, the window chooser
 isn't
 available.  VO does work, but, it's a subset of the normal features.
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
 Try pressing control option f2 to open the window chooser menu, that
 usually will allow you to select the window you need.
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
 
 I want to do a fresh install of Lion.  I did the upgrade, but, as I
 mentioned on the list before, I am having a few problems.  I am
 thinking
 a clean install might straighten it out.  My problems seem to be
 unusual
 enough where I feel like something might have gotten corrupted during
 the
 upgrade or maybe even before.
 
 anyway, I am able to boot to the Lion partition with no problems.
 However, when I get to the part of the install where you have to put in
 your apple ID, apparently, that window is opening in the background.
 Since we don't have access to all the voiceover features, I can't seem
 to
 focus on that window in order to put in my ID.  I was able to shut off
 vo, and by tapping the trackpad randomly, I was able to get it to the
 foreground once.  However, I can't do it again.
 
 I am wondering if anyone has discovered another, more reliable way of
 getting it done?
 
 I am assuming that burning a CD would result in the same problem.
 
 If anyone has an idea of how to get around this,I would appreciate
 knowing about it, thanks.
 
 
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Lion recovery with voiceover

2011-07-29 Thread Sakamoto Mitsugu
Hello all.
I tried os x lion recovery with voiceover.
I use lion with voiceover Japanese Kyoko.
I use iMac late 2010.
start up recovery partition. and cmd-f5. the voiceover start up here.
and then I want to connect Wi-Fi network. but I don't understand connect wi-fi 
network to use voiceover.
vo-m m is not work.
what will be  doing solved this problem? 

thanks so a lot.

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Re: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

2011-07-29 Thread Doug Lawlor
Hi Paul,
Check out dvd remaster. This program should do what you want and is very 
accessible. I'm not sure how much it is because when I bought the program it 
was on sale for 90% off the list price.

Doug

On 2011-07-29, at 1:42 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

 Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like Handbrake. 
 I want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 
 If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?
 I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup and 
 put the original away for safe keeping.
 I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft for 
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 Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on the 
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Re: Scripting functionalities ...

2011-07-29 Thread Austin Seraphin
You can configure hotspots per application with activities. As for AppleScript, 
I've poked around a little and want to learn it more. Someone here posted a 
script to speak the battery percentage, and I modified it to also say the 
remaining time. Not bad for not knowing the language! I did note in the new 
features for Lion that AppleScript now supports interacting with the Cocoa 
framework. Does this mean we can make neat little scripts with controls and 
all? I think it does.

 - Austin

On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:

 How much have you actually looked at AppleScript?  The Voice Over set of 
 commands just allows you to script the various VoiceOver functions if you 
 want access to the menus or different graphical widgets an application that 
 has been available in the Macintosh environment longer then VoiceOver has 
 been around.  I have not seen anybody try to merge the VoiceOver scripting 
 and the UI element scripting, but doing this should give you the same level 
 of control that jaws scripting gives to jaws users.
 
 OK.  90% of the items you listed can or should be able to be done with 
 Hotspots.  I wish hot spots were a bit more configurable:
 1. ability to change some hot spots when application or focus changes.
 2. Ability to have the HotSpot indicate only what changed when tracking is on.
 persistence in hotspots when used with AREA regions of a HTML 5 page.
 1. I an not quite sure about Skype chat, since I have only used it a couple 
 of times, but for most chats turning off cursor tracking (which I would 
 expect can now be done on a application basis ) should solve most of the 
 issues. I find the jump command often does the right thing (though not 
 innumbers)
 I don't have any documents with footnotes / endnotes, so I can not truely 
 discuss these, again since a foot note is a reference to a specific spot in 
 the text, using the jump-to function might make sense.
 
 .  
 
 
 Jonathan 
 
 So an interesting request to the iWork accessability team would be to have 
 VO-J jump from formula to table.  Though it might even be possible to do this 
 with an apple script.
 
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Massimo wrote:
 
 In data Giovedì 28 Luglio 2011 17.11.33, Krister Ekstrom 
 kris...@kristersplace.com ha scritto:
 Ok, i may be naive to the point of stupidness here, but i hope and pray to 
 God that we will be free from scripting on the VO platform.
 
 As you wish. What I need to have done is automatic reading of incoming 
 messages in skype active chat window. Right now, if I want to read incoming 
 chat messages, I need to move VO cursor, then I have to interact with the 
 HTML content, then I have to move to the last message. In alternative, I 
 have to unlink VO cursor from the  system focus and still I am not able to 
 have incoming messages read automatically. I need to enter commands. I need 
 to know if a paragraph contains footnotes and endnotes reference; and, if it 
 does and if I want, I should be able to read the note's content without 
 leaving the document text area. When in a spreadsheet, I need to define 
 monitor cells on a document base; when navigating the cells, I need to know 
 if a cell content is a constant or the result of a formula again without 
 leaving the spreadsheet itself. JAWS, Orca, NVDA, Windows eyes to are 
 scriptable. And it is a very powerfull feature. If you want to use that 
 feature, well, it is there; if you do not want, just don't. If something is 
 there, you can choose if you want to use it or not; if a feature is not 
 available... Yes, I know, you can control VO using Apple Script. But there 
 are some limitations and they are major limitations too.
 
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Can You Import a DVD Into ITunes?

2011-07-29 Thread Kevin Mattingly
Does anyone know how you'd import a DVD into ITunes?

Kev

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Re: New mac and apple care pertection plan.

2011-07-29 Thread matthew Dyer
I am going to have them update he ram any how.  I  am going to try to ge the 
machine  as soon as I can as this is the only machine I have rite now.  

Also, this is a 2 year old machine so not sure if I can go up o 4 gb or not 
though I do intend to see if I can add 1 gb any how perviding it does not cost 
alot of money to do so.  not sure if it would be covered on the plan or not.  
Thanks any how.


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On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

 Matthew,
 
 No, Apple Care Protection plans are specific and unique to each device, so if 
 you buy a new machine, then you will have to get a new plan, however, noting 
 you have Apple Care, why have you not got them to fix the issues on your Mini?
 
 you could why they are doing it ask them to upgrade the RAM to say 4Gb, which 
 will let you easily run Lion, provide your Mini has a Core2 processor or 
 higher.
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:12, matthew dyer at work wrote:
 
 Hi all.  I currently have a old mac  mini which is over 2 years old.  I have 
 sl installed on it and it only has 1 gb of ram so can not install lion on it 
 do to the specks of this machine.  I have possible 2 bad usb ports and even 
 possibly a bad cd rom drive.  Any how If I were to get a new machine and 
 assooming it was something like a mac book pro could my acp be transfered 
 over to it or not.  I want to have something that has a screen since I woould 
 have to pay extra for a display and addapter.  I am hoping I can maybe get 
 someone to go in on it oor somethinng. I am not sure though.  Just wondered 
 though.  Thanks.
 
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Re: Scripting functionalities ...

2011-07-29 Thread Bryan Jones
I, too, am intrigued by what Applescript might offer in terms of increased 
accessibility. Bryan S of VoxKeys fame has some interesting things on his 
website as does the Developer of the FastScripts utility (links below). In 
fact, I noticed that the developer's notes inside his script to re-enable the 
Safari 5.1 Downloads hotkey mentions that it finds the correct button by using 
it's accessibility description..

Voxkeys website: www.bryansmart.com
Fastscripts website: www.red-sweater.com

Bryan

On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote:
 You can configure hotspots per application with activities. As for 
 AppleScript, I've poked around a little and want to learn it more. Someone 
 here posted a script to speak the battery percentage, and I modified it to 
 also say the remaining time. Not bad for not knowing the language! I did note 
 in the new features for Lion that AppleScript now supports interacting with 
 the Cocoa framework. Does this mean we can make neat little scripts with 
 controls and all? I think it does.
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
 How much have you actually looked at AppleScript?  The Voice Over set of 
 commands just allows you to script the various VoiceOver functions if you 
 want access to the menus or different graphical widgets an application that 
 has been available in the Macintosh environment longer then VoiceOver has 
 been around.  I have not seen anybody try to merge the VoiceOver scripting 
 and the UI element scripting, but doing this should give you the same level 
 of control that jaws scripting gives to jaws users.

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Option click?

2011-07-29 Thread Courtney Curran
Hi,
How do you option click something in a menu?
Thanks,
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Re: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

2011-07-29 Thread Brett C.
DVD Remaster is accessible and works well, but it won't rip protected DVDs, 
which happens to be most movies you purchase and want to put into iTunes. :(

Brett C.

On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

 Hi Paul,
 Check out dvd remaster. This program should do what you want and is very 
 accessible. I'm not sure how much it is because when I bought the program it 
 was on sale for 90% off the list price.
 
 Doug
 
 On 2011-07-29, at 1:42 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
 
 Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like Handbrake. 
 I want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 
 If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?
 I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup and 
 put the original away for safe keeping.
 I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft for 
 windows, but they are totally inaccessible under windows.
 Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on the 
 mac?
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Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard

2011-07-29 Thread David Hole
Hi.
This is somehow off-topic, but I try it anyway...
Here's something JAWS-stuff I played around with, and it works ok for
me and other here in Norway:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1394111/spotify-0.4.zip
Put the files inside to your JAWS-settings-directory, and see if it helps.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:13, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I downloaded spotify for the Mac and foudn it completely inaccessible.
 It had been a little accessible on windows . But then I tried it on
 windows. Spotify updated itself and became completely inaccessible on
 windows. I use Napster using the web interface on the Mac which is
 more or less accessible, apart from the volume slider which voice-over
 doesn't see.

 On 29/07/2011, David Hole balubathebr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi again.
 When I select an artist, and press play, it plays all the songs thats
 listed, so I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.
 One of the purposes of Spotify is playlists. Make a playlist of the
 songs you want, and then ith shall play.
 Hope that helps.
 -David

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 07:04, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had the chance to check that out by choosing an artist that I know I
 don't have any of in my personal collection. And yes, you're right.
  Next question is, how do I set it up so that all the tunes that I
 find under an artist get played in a row instead of one at a time?  I
 heard one song followed by an ad.  I don't care about the commercials,
 but I would like to hear several songs in a row commercials are not. I
 don't want to have to press the play button for each song.

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Re: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

2011-07-29 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Brett!
Quite a while ago someone talked about a software called mac the ripper!
It might do what you want [I don't know]
And unless someone else give's you a link I'm afraid it's off to google for you!
hth Colin

On 29 Jul 2011, at 18:59, Brett C. wrote:

 DVD Remaster is accessible and works well, but it won't rip protected DVDs, 
 which happens to be most movies you purchase and want to put into iTunes. :(
 
 Brett C.
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
 
 Hi Paul,
 Check out dvd remaster. This program should do what you want and is very 
 accessible. I'm not sure how much it is because when I bought the program it 
 was on sale for 90% off the list price.
 
 Doug
 
 On 2011-07-29, at 1:42 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
 
 Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like 
 Handbrake. I want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 
 If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?
 I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup and 
 put the original away for safe keeping.
 I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft 
 for windows, but they are totally inaccessible under windows.
 Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on 
 the mac?
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Re: Option click?

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

You hold down the option key and press your track pad.  You have to make sure 
trackpad commander is off though.

hth

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Hi,
How do you option click something in a menu?
Thanks,
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Re: Option click?

2011-07-29 Thread Jon Cohn
I assume you are talking about getting extended options in the bluetooth, 
airport and other status menu bar items?

I do this by the following process:
1. Hit vo-m twice to get to the status menu items.
2. Make sure quick nav is turned off.
3. Hold down the option key with your left hand and use left and right arrow 
keys until you get to the menu you want extended information on.
4. Release the option key and use the down arrow key.  

This provides signal strength information in the Airport menu, a selector for 
input and output sound in the sound volume menu, and bluetooth diagnostics and 
hardware addresses in the bluetooth menu.

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Good news for all writers

2011-07-29 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi All,

here's a good news for all of you who likes to write textes, novels and so: One 
of the most popular programs for writer is Scrivener. It provides you with 
different styles to write manuscripts or even complete novels. The latest 
version of Scrivener took a big step to get more accessible. I can really 
recommend it to write your poetries or what ever.

More info in the Mac App Store or here:
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/

All the best
Jürgen

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Re: Preview in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi William,

oh yes I'm also going to write to the accessibility team. Thanks for your 
answer. Good to know that I'm not alone with that issue.

All the best
Jürgen
Am 29.07.2011 um 15:50 schrieb William Mutch:

 Hi Jurgen, I have noticed the same thing. In fact it occasionally does not 
 pronounce some of the text at the end of the line. I have written to mac 
 accessibility. It would be nice if you could also write them as the more of 
 us that do should highlight the problem and hasten a solution.
 Regards 
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 Aberdeen
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a most paculiar Safari behavior

2011-07-29 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the VO 
curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page in a 
session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each and every 
page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.

1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser is 
supposed to go directly to it.

2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed Lion 
and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day Lion came out.

Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will be 
fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust differently?  
Thanks.


Sincerely,
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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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great wireless headset for computer

2011-07-29 Thread KliphSharrie
So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics wouldn't 
pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to pick with a 
mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to be wireless, so I 
could move around while using skype, and even be on my IMac.  So I got the 
logitech wireless headset with behind the head design.  It ran about 99 bucvks 
retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you need 
to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and your done.  
I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no where in the house I 
couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound quality for me is great, 
I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a chance to set up skype or 
vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a clean install of lion on tuesday.  
And the best part for me is, since I don't need the screen, I can work on 
things from the kitchen table, witch is about 25 feet from my desk, and the 
keyboard or the headset never loses or breaks up the connection.  So if your 
looking for a wireless headset for the computer, this is the way to go.  The 
only thing that would make it better, is being able to connect to the IPhone.  
Can't have everything though.  HTH
 
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Re: clean install of lion?

2011-07-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Neil,

I tried to do a clean install and when I tried doing C after putting DVD in, 
although the DVD spun nothing happened.
On 29 Jul 2011, at 17:06, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

 sounds like you did not boot from the CD / USB, hold down the C key at start 
 to boot from disk.
 
 
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 On 27 Jul 2011, at 17:04, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 Okay, tried to help a friend to a clean install of lion.  Burned the DVD, 
 and restarted the computer, launched disc utility from the DVD, and 
 attempted to erase the hard drive, but it kept saying error.  Am I doing 
 something wrong, did I miss a step, or am I suppose to ear ace with disc 
 utility before I try to use the dvd?  Thanks in advance!
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Re: great wireless headset for computer

2011-07-29 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi there!
Is there a model name/number!
Or is it just what you posted!
Cheers
Colin

On 29 Jul 2011, at 21:30, KliphSharrie wrote:

 So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics wouldn't 
 pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to pick with a 
 mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to be wireless, so 
 I could move around while using skype, and even be on my IMac.  So I got the 
 logitech wireless headset with behind the head design.  It ran about 99 bucks 
 retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
 But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you 
 need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and your 
 done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no where in the 
 house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound quality for me 
 is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a chance to set up 
 skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a clean install of lion on 
 tuesday.  And the best part for me is, since I don't need the screen, I can 
 work on things from the kitchen table, witch is about 25 feet from my desk, 
 and the keyboard or the headset never loses or breaks up the connection.  So 
 if your looking for a wireless headset for the computer, this is the way to 
 go.  The only thing that would make it better, is being able to connect to 
 the IPhone.  Can't have everything though.  HTH
 
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Re: great wireless headset for computer

2011-07-29 Thread KliphSharrie
I don't have the exact model number, but if you go on amazon.com and search for 
logitech wireless headset with behind the head design, it should be the first 
item, if not the second.  I don't have the link on my phone, and I am on a 
little emeregency road trip right now.  If you still need it later on tonight, 
email me privately.  HTH

Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone

On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
wrote:

 Hi there!
 Is there a model name/number!
 Or is it just what you posted!
 Cheers
 Colin
 
 On 29 Jul 2011, at 21:30, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics wouldn't 
 pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to pick with a 
 mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to be wireless, so 
 I could move around while using skype, and even be on my IMac.  So I got the 
 logitech wireless headset with behind the head design.  It ran about 99 
 bucks retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
 But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you 
 need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and your 
 done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no where in 
 the house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound quality 
 for me is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a chance to 
 set up skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a clean install of 
 lion on tuesday.  And the best part for me is, since I don't need the 
 screen, I can work on things from the kitchen table, witch is about 25 feet 
 from my desk, and the keyboard or the headset never loses or breaks up the 
 connection.  So if your looking for a wireless headset for the computer, 
 this is the way to go.  The only thing that would make it better, is being 
 able to connect to the IPhone.  Can't have everything though.  HTH
 
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Re: Option click?

2011-07-29 Thread Brett C.
What type of circumstance is option click used, and how does one know when to 
use it?

Thanks,

Brett C.

On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,
 
 You hold down the option key and press your track pad.  You have to make sure 
 trackpad commander is off though.
 
 hth
 
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Re: great wireless headset for computer

2011-07-29 Thread Christine Grassman
You're positive this is not compatible with the iPhone?
That's too bad, as I've got a one-ear Bluetooth earpiece for the iPhone, but 
would really like a headset, but all the searching I've done has only come up 
with earpieces or poorly rated headsets.
Christine

On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:55 PM, KliphSharrie wrote:

 I don't have the exact model number, but if you go on amazon.com and search 
 for logitech wireless headset with behind the head design, it should be the 
 first item, if not the second.  I don't have the link on my phone, and I am 
 on a little emeregency road trip right now.  If you still need it later on 
 tonight, email me privately.  HTH
 
 Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Is there a model name/number!
 Or is it just what you posted!
 Cheers
 Colin
 
 On 29 Jul 2011, at 21:30, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics wouldn't 
 pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to pick with 
 a mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to be wireless, 
 so I could move around while using skype, and even be on my IMac.  So I got 
 the logitech wireless headset with behind the head design.  It ran about 99 
 bucks retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
 But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you 
 need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and 
 your done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no where 
 in the house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound 
 quality for me is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a 
 chance to set up skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a clean 
 install of lion on tuesday.  And the best part for me is, since I don't 
 need the screen, I can work on things from the kitchen table, witch is 
 about 25 feet from my desk, and the keyboard or the headset never loses or 
 breaks up the connection.  So if your looking for a wireless headset for 
 the computer, this is the way to go.  The only thing that would make it 
 better, is being able to connect to the IPhone.  Can't have everything 
 though.  HTH
 
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Re: Option click?

2011-07-29 Thread Courtney Curran
Hi, I can't get my output device to switch from my internal mic to line-in on 
my macbook air. I've never been able to  do this from within system preferences 
either, so I was hoping an option click would work. And I also clean installed 
lion on Tuesday, just curious whether this would be a solution.
 
Courtney

On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Brett C. wrote:

 What type of circumstance is option click used, and how does one know when to 
 use it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Brett C.
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You hold down the option key and press your track pad.  You have to make 
 sure trackpad commander is off though.
 
 hth
 
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 Hi,
 How do you option click something in a menu?
 Thanks,
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Upgrading from a white Macbook to a Macbook Pro

2011-07-29 Thread Graham Roby
 Hi,

 I am about to upgrade from a White Macbook to a Macbook Pro 2010 model. both 
 machines are running Snow Leopard. 
 
 I have a ccc clone of the White Macbook's hd on an external drive along with 
 time machine backups on my tc. 
 
 I would like to know is it possible to boot straight in to my cloned drive of 
 the White Macbook and from there get ccc to clone my new Macbook Pro's HD so 
 I have everything as it was on my White Macbook? 
 
 Also if I used Migration assistant are there any advantages and would this 
 copy everything across from my old machine to the new one including Itunes 
 email etc? 
 
 Lastly I read somewhere you need to de register your old computer from the 
 Itunes Store before setting up the new one. How do you go about this. 
 
 Sorry for all the q's its something I've never done before so want to get it 
 right. 
 
 Kind regards
 
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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

2011-07-29 Thread Chris Westbrook
I've noticed this, but only intermittently and not that often so didn't think 
of it.  I'm using webkit though so perhaps they've made progress toward fixing 
it there.
On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the VO 
 curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page in a 
 session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each and every 
 page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
 
 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser is 
 supposed to go directly to it.
 
 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed Lion 
 and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day Lion came 
 out.
 
 Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will be 
 fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust differently?  
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: Good Things About Lion and Safari

2011-07-29 Thread Tony Bernedal
Hi.
The only thing I have problem with is when a website pops up a dialog for 
example confirm something. My readynas have those dialogs in its webbinterface. 
If such dialog pops up v o hangs completely. It also happens when you have to 
confirm a safari extension installation such as 1password.

this is also reported to apple but no confirmation from them yet.
Regards Tony 

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29 jul 2011 kl. 14:39 skrev Krister Ekstrom:

 Yes, i don't have any problems with my preferences  either. Everything seems 
 to work as it should now. In fact, the things i've seen as bugs have been 
 reported to Apple Accessibility and i've gotten confirmation that they are 
 being worked on, so i'm convinced they will be fixed sooner or later.
 /Krister
 
 29 jul 2011 kl. 08:39 skrev Teresa Cochran:
 
 Well, I suppose those too words are a good fit in more than one context. :) 
 In any case, here are some things I've noticed improvement  on with VO.
 
 1. VO just seems much more stable to me. I haven't had to restart it once 
 since I got Lion a week ago.
 
 2. I used to have a terrible problem with quick-nav spontaneously activating 
 itself. No more. Yay.
 
 3. I haven't had to import my vO prefs once since I've had Lion, whereas I 
 used to have to do this three times in a week.
 
 4. Safari and vO play much more nicely together, IMO. There are many fewer 
 busy messages.
 
 Good job, developers. I'm pleased in general. Of course, there are always 
 little things that don't go as smoothly as they might, but these things 
 happen with computer software.
 
 Anyone else had similar experiences to mine?
 
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Switching to Line-In [was Re: Option click?]

2011-07-29 Thread Esther
Hi Courtney,

To change your input from your internal mic to line-in, you might try 
downloading the free LineIn application from the freebies section of Rogue 
Amoeba's web site:

http://rogueamoeba.com/freebies/

This lets you select your Input and Output, and also lets you VO-Space on the 
Pass Thru (unchecked check box) to monitor a recording (e.g., if you select 
Input from Built-in Line In and Output to Default System Output).

This has nothing to do with Option click or menu extras on the Menu bar, so 
I've changed the subject line.  I use Line In with the Pass Thru if I want to 
connect to an iPod or iPhone and monitor or record what's happening.  This can 
also be used to record what's going on with an iPod or iPhone connected into 
the line in for a podcast.  (You can find this in the Mail Archives for this 
list in connection with discussions on how to demo the iPod Nano and other 
iPods for a podcast).

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:21, Courtney Curran wrote:

 Hi, I can't get my output device to switch from my internal mic to line-in on 
 my macbook air. I've never been able to  do this from within system 
 preferences either, so I was hoping an option click would work. And I also 
 clean installed lion on Tuesday, just curious whether this would be a 
 solution.
 
 Courtney

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Re: great wireless headset for computer

2011-07-29 Thread KliphSharrie
Possative, since there is a usb adapter that needs to plug in to your computer 
to make it wireless, and I doubt they will ever put a usb port on the IPhone JMO

Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone

On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

 You're positive this is not compatible with the iPhone?
 That's too bad, as I've got a one-ear Bluetooth earpiece for the iPhone, but 
 would really like a headset, but all the searching I've done has only come up 
 with earpieces or poorly rated headsets.
 Christine
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:55 PM, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 I don't have the exact model number, but if you go on amazon.com and search 
 for logitech wireless headset with behind the head design, it should be the 
 first item, if not the second.  I don't have the link on my phone, and I am 
 on a little emeregency road trip right now.  If you still need it later on 
 tonight, email me privately.  HTH
 
 Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Is there a model name/number!
 Or is it just what you posted!
 Cheers
 Colin
 
 On 29 Jul 2011, at 21:30, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics 
 wouldn't pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to 
 pick with a mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to 
 be wireless, so I could move around while using skype, and even be on my 
 IMac.  So I got the logitech wireless headset with behind the head design. 
  It ran about 99 bucks retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
 But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you 
 need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and 
 your done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no 
 where in the house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound 
 quality for me is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a 
 chance to set up skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a 
 clean install of lion on tuesday.  And the best part for me is, since I 
 don't need the screen, I can work on things from the kitchen table, witch 
 is about 25 feet from my desk, and the keyboard or the headset never loses 
 or breaks up the connection.  So if your looking for a wireless headset 
 for the computer, this is the way to go.  The only thing that would make 
 it better, is being able to connect to the IPhone.  Can't have everything 
 though.  HTH
 
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Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues

2011-07-29 Thread rossy
ciao luca and massimo veturetti!
you know well that i don't agree with you.
i don't understand what are your measures  since with that other system in 20 
years we stil can not install the os?

 you will say that an advanced user surely knows how to deal with this  issue  
but as always i can anser that eden more advanced users can serve them selves 
with all the tools they know how to use regardless of operating systems.


most of all fail to give assolute importance to the tables and the braille 
because the computer is not used only for super documents or who knowswhat else 
. i think that if somebody whants to nivea serios opinione on an assistive 
technology he or she must consider the system and its general use instead of an 
element by it self. for example ilote the touch pad but i will neverblame jais 
for not having it.



then if we watt to be fair enough must say that ms office 2007 is not the most 
easy thing to use and let us not talk to some jais problems which jais keeps on 
having besides its price.




Inviato da iPad

Il giorno 25/lug/2011, alle ore 14:31, Luca luca.dava...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 I agree,  i was expecting a lot more from  vo in lion... look,  two
 years have passed  since last release, and what have you  new? ok
 activities, single navigation letter (which could have been made
 better...), international voices (very buggy, cant deny it...), and
 new drag and drop...
 Well in two  years only these things is a little on my opinion..
 Braille support is terrible, whe told them, wrote a lot of mail... and
 nothing has changed.
 Still You cannot do decent word processing with vo, no tables, no
 footnnotes detection, no title/list  detection...
 Ok some of these  things you can do wiith pages but in  an extremely
 convoluted and non efficient way..
 And what about numbers? you can use it in a very basic way only...
 And i am not speaking of bugs, those i hope will be fixed.. but there
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adobe digital editions preview: how to find the text to read?

2011-07-29 Thread Mary Otten
Hello all,

I downloaded and installed the digital editions 1.8. It comes with a book 
getting started. I have that book open. I can see buttons for previous page, 
which is dimmed, for next page, a slider, a close zoom and one unlabeled 
button, an edit field with an associated search button, an add bookmark button 
and an edit field with page one already inserted as the page I should go to, 
unless I type a different number, of course. I have tried vo m and also up and 
down arrows with QN engaged. I'm not seeing any text or any area that offers to 
be interacted with, e.g. a scroll area or whatever. The only unlabeled control 
in this whole application is just one unlabeled button. So the question: how 
can you actually start reading text? Where is it? And what does that slider do? 
I tried advancing it to 100% from the 0 it started at. It seemed to make no 
difference.


Mary

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Re: adobe digital editions preview: how to find the text to read?

2011-07-29 Thread Esther
Hi Mary,

When you start up in the Getting Started guide you're on a Cover graphic.  
I'll spare you the experiments, and tell you to just use your right arrow key 
(with QuickNav off) to move to the next page.  If you keep QuickNav on, you'll 
have to move to the Next Page button and press it. 

I ended up pressing the TOC button to get to the Table of Contents, but you 
don't want to really use that unless you want Table of Contents navigation and 
Bookmarks access.  It will split your view to put a Table of Contents or 
Bookmarks pane always visible along with the book page, which will just make 
for extra controls to navigate through when you don't want them.  pressing the 
TOC button again will make this go away. 

There's no way that I've found to read continuously.  I skipped most of the 
guide and just added an ePub book to start reading.  If you download one from 
Kobo Books on your account page (to have an example which requires the ADE 
login) the first time you try to open it you'll be prompted for an Adobe 
Digital Editions log in and password.  From then on your computer will be 
authorized, and you can start reading.  You can also add any ePub books which 
are DRM free and read them in Adobe Digital Editions Preview.

Bookmarking, searches, and table of contents navigation are supported.  
Languages other than English and annotations are not supported in the Preview 
version.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
  
On Jul 29, 2011, at 13:09, Mary Otten wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I downloaded and installed the digital editions 1.8. It comes with a book 
 getting started. I have that book open. I can see buttons for previous 
 page, which is dimmed, for next page, a slider, a close zoom and one 
 unlabeled button, an edit field with an associated search button, an add 
 bookmark button and an edit field with page one already inserted as the page 
 I should go to, unless I type a different number, of course. I have tried vo 
 m and also up and down arrows with QN engaged. I'm not seeing any text or any 
 area that offers to be interacted with, e.g. a scroll area or whatever. The 
 only unlabeled control in this whole application is just one unlabeled 
 button. So the question: how can you actually start reading text? Where is 
 it? And what does that slider do? I tried advancing it to 100% from the 0 it 
 started at. It seemed to make no difference.
 
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 

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Re: clean install of lion?

2011-07-29 Thread Teresa Cochran
You actually have to wait about ten minutes, because there are some diagnostics 
being performed before you can load VO. So don't throw away your DVD yet.

Teresa
On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 Neil,
 
 I tried to do a clean install and when I tried doing C after putting DVD in, 
 although the DVD spun nothing happened.
 On 29 Jul 2011, at 17:06, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
 
 sounds like you did not boot from the CD / USB, hold down the C key at start 
 to boot from disk.
 
 
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 On 27 Jul 2011, at 17:04, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 Okay, tried to help a friend to a clean install of lion.  Burned the DVD, 
 and restarted the computer, launched disc utility from the DVD, and 
 attempted to erase the hard drive, but it kept saying error.  Am I doing 
 something wrong, did I miss a step, or am I suppose to ear ace with disc 
 utility before I try to use the dvd?  Thanks in advance!
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Re: great wireless headset for computer

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

You might want to check out the plantronics back beat.  I've heard people say 
good things about it.  This is a stereo bluetooth headset.

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

You're positive this is not compatible with the iPhone?
That's too bad, as I've got a one-ear Bluetooth earpiece for the iPhone, but 
would really like a headset, but all the searching I've done has only come up 
with earpieces or poorly rated headsets.
Christine

On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:55 PM, KliphSharrie wrote:

 I don't have the exact model number, but if you go on amazon.com and search 
 for logitech wireless headset with behind the head design, it should be the 
 first item, if not the second.  I don't have the link on my phone, and I am 
 on a little emeregency road trip right now.  If you still need it later on 
 tonight, email me privately.  HTH
 
 Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Is there a model name/number!
 Or is it just what you posted!
 Cheers
 Colin
 
 On 29 Jul 2011, at 21:30, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics wouldn't 
 pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to pick with 
 a mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to be wireless, 
 so I could move around while using skype, and even be on my IMac.  So I got 
 the logitech wireless headset with behind the head design.  It ran about 99 
 bucks retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
 But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you 
 need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and 
 your done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no where 
 in the house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound 
 quality for me is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a 
 chance to set up skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a clean 
 install of lion on tuesday.  And the best part for me is, since I don't 
 need the screen, I can work on things from the kitchen table, witch is 
 about 25 feet from my desk, and the keyboard or the headset never loses or 
 breaks up the connection.  So if your looking for a wireless headset for 
 the computer, this is the way to go.  The only thing that would make it 
 better, is being able to connect to the IPhone.  Can't have everything 
 though.  HTH
 
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Re: clean install of lion?

2011-07-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

10 minutes is a bit to long I think.  more like 3 to 5 minutes.  And keep in 
mind voiceover doesn't start talking by itself.  You have to press command F5 
to get it going.

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

You actually have to wait about ten minutes, because there are some diagnostics 
being performed before you can load VO. So don't throw away your DVD yet.

Teresa
On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 Neil,
 
 I tried to do a clean install and when I tried doing C after putting DVD in, 
 although the DVD spun nothing happened.
 On 29 Jul 2011, at 17:06, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
 
 sounds like you did not boot from the CD / USB, hold down the C key at start 
 to boot from disk.
 
 
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 On 27 Jul 2011, at 17:04, KliphSharrie wrote:
 
 Okay, tried to help a friend to a clean install of lion.  Burned the DVD, 
 and restarted the computer, launched disc utility from the DVD, and 
 attempted to erase the hard drive, but it kept saying error.  Am I doing 
 something wrong, did I miss a step, or am I suppose to ear ace with disc 
 utility before I try to use the dvd?  Thanks in advance!
 Kliphton SR
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Re: great wireless headset for computer

2011-07-29 Thread Cody
I use a Freetalk Wireless ISS5192 headset. You can answer/reject calls right 
from the headset. That function however doesn't work off the bat with OSX, 
but there is a process that you have to go through in order to get it to 
work...The freetalk 5192 was $99.88 from the skyep store


Cody
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: great wireless headset for computer


Hi,

You might want to check out the plantronics back beat.  I've heard people 
say good things about it.  This is a stereo bluetooth headset.


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Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
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On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

You're positive this is not compatible with the iPhone?
That's too bad, as I've got a one-ear Bluetooth earpiece for the iPhone, but 
would really like a headset, but all the searching I've done has only come 
up with earpieces or poorly rated headsets.

Christine

On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:55 PM, KliphSharrie wrote:

I don't have the exact model number, but if you go on amazon.com and 
search for logitech wireless headset with behind the head design, it 
should be the first item, if not the second.  I don't have the link on my 
phone, and I am on a little emeregency road trip right now.  If you still 
need it later on tonight, email me privately.  HTH


Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone

On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Red.Falcon 
velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:



Hi there!
Is there a model name/number!
Or is it just what you posted!
Cheers
Colin

On 29 Jul 2011, at 21:30, KliphSharrie wrote:

So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics 
wouldn't pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset 
to pick with a mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted 
to be wireless, so I could move around while using skype, and even be on 
my IMac.  So I got the logitech wireless headset with behind the head 
design.  It ran about 99 bucks retail but I got it off amazon for about 
71 bucks.
But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing 
you need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, 
and your done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is 
no where in the house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The 
sound quality for me is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't 
had a chance to set up skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I 
did a clean install of lion on tuesday.  And the best part for me is, 
since I don't need the screen, I can work on things from the kitchen 
table, witch is about 25 feet from my desk, and the keyboard or the 
headset never loses or breaks up the connection.  So if your looking for 
a wireless headset for the computer, this is the way to go.  The only 
thing that would make it better, is being able to connect to the IPhone. 
Can't have everything though.  HTH


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Re: Option click?

2011-07-29 Thread Jon Cohn
I think that is an option with the option key. :-)  though I also believe that 
Esther's solution might be a bit easier to control.

Jonathan

On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

 Hi, I can't get my output device to switch from my internal mic to line-in on 
 my macbook air. I've never been able to  do this from within system 
 preferences either, so I was hoping an option click would work. And I also 
 clean installed lion on Tuesday, just curious whether this would be a 
 solution.
 
 Courtney
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Brett C. wrote:
 
 What type of circumstance is option click used, and how does one know when 
 to use it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Brett C.
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You hold down the option key and press your track pad.  You have to make 
 sure trackpad commander is off though.
 
 hth
 
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 On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
 
 Hi,
 How do you option click something in a menu?
 Thanks,
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Re: adobe digital editions preview: how to find the text to read?

2011-07-29 Thread Mary Otten
Thanks, Esther, for clarifying the business about the graphic that comes up 
when you first open the digital editions getting started guide. I guess I 
should have clicked that next page button, and it would have become clear what 
was going on. 

Our library subscribes to the Overdrive e-books service as well as the audio 
service. Now I am intrigued by the e-books service, which I had totally ignored 
until now. You're suppose to be able to read those books using this preview 
1.8. With audio books, I think they make you use a special application to 
download and then read the books. So with these e-books that are drm protected, 
I assume they're going to let me download the book on my Mac in the usual way 
and then open it in digital additions; there seems not to be a download method 
from within the application itself nor any import buttons that I saw. So I 
presume either the Mac will be smart enough to pick digital additions if I 
click on an Overdrive e-book, or there will be some means of adding those books 
to my digital editions bookshelf. I'll have to give Kobo another look as well.

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lion clean install

2011-07-29 Thread Mike Arrigo
Hey everyone, ok, here is my experience so far. One of my other macs is doing 
the install now. Purchased the app and downloaded it. Used disk utility to make 
a bootable DVD, also attempted to make a bootable flash drive, but disk utility 
seems to require you to drag the disk image to the destination, tried that but 
couldn't seem to get that to work. So I used super duper to clone the image to 
my flash drive, actually it's an 8 GB micro SD card and a card reader, but 
should be the same. Attempted to boot the mac using the flash drive first, that 
didn't seem to work, the apple logo displayed for a while, then the screen 
stayed blank, waited for about 15 minutes, then I decided to try the DVD I 
made. Having better luck with that, mac booted, started voiceover and used disk 
utility to erase my hard drive, since I want to do a clean install. Now comes 
the interesting part, it wants you to enter your apple ID and password, I guess 
to verify that you have purchased 10.7. There are actually 2 windows open here, 
one is the installer, and there is another window behind that where you need to 
enter your user name and password. I know a few users have had problems with 
this, to get around it, press control option function F2 twice. When booted 
from the DVD, the function keys are configured to do hardware functions. You 
need to do this key stroke twice, the first time reads the window title, the 
second time will open the window chooser menu where you can switch to the sign 
in window. After entering the user name and password, it's downloading 
components, I figured it would just use what was already on the DVD, it's 
probably downloading the same thing, but there doesn't seem to be a way around 
that. Also, the customize option was disabled, so hopefully it will not install 
all of the multilanguage support, since I don't really need that or all the 
print drivers. Not sure why the flash drive method did not work, but so far the 
DVD is working.

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Re: adobe digital editions preview: how to find the text to read?

2011-07-29 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Esther,
I did manage to get to the next page of the getting started guide with the next 
page button. I will say that arrowing does not do anything with qn off. I'm 
using SL. I have to have qn on and arrow over to the next page button, then 
arrow back to where the text is, and it reads all at once. No way to stop, 
review line by line etc. Interestingly, there are shortcuts listed at the end 
of the getting started guide. And the ones for the windows screen reader have 
things like review by character, line word etc, but not for VO. Maybe this is 
an exception. But I could not interact with the text, nor did plain arrows with 
no QN have any affect at all. 

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iTunes Keystroke Discovery

2011-07-29 Thread Kevin Shaw
Hi friends,

I've discovered a keystroke in iTunes rather by accident. In the main music 
library playlist and with Shuffle off, option + the arrow left and right keys 
will jump to the previous and next artist in the main playlist. For example,e I 
was able to jump from Fitz and the Tantrums to The Fixx by hitting option + 
right arrow. A cool feature which is way better than just hitting right arrow 
repeatedly.

Unfortunately, option and F9/F7 does not reproduce this, so you have to be in 
the main iTunes window for this to occur.

Please forgive me if this is common knowledge, but I thought it was pretty rad. 

Kevin

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Extremely frustrating problem on Web site

2011-07-29 Thread Christine Grassman
I've never faced this one before.  I am attempting to purchase an e-gift card 
for one of my daughter's friends at candyfavorites.com.  I tried using the item 
chooser and the search function to find gift certificates.  The latter yields 
that annoying error sound.  The item chooser tells me gift certificates tab 2 
of 4 I attempt to choose this and nothing happens. What does this mean? What 
tabs? Anyone have a clue what is going on here?
Thanks.
Christine

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Re: [Bulk] Extremely frustrating problem on Web site

2011-07-29 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I have found that VO+F can work well where Item chooser goes astray.  For some 
reason, a few of us have found that the item chooser is no longer what it once 
was; but, VO+f seems to be both more accurate and faster.  Give that a whirl 
and let us know how you get on with that option.


Sincerely,
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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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 I've never faced this one before.  I am attempting to purchase an e-gift card 
 for one of my daughter's friends at candyfavorites.com.  I tried using the 
 item chooser and the search function to find gift certificates.  The latter 
 yields that annoying error sound.  The item chooser tells me gift 
 certificates tab 2 of 4 I attempt to choose this and nothing happens. What 
 does this mean? What tabs? Anyone have a clue what is going on here?
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Problem with VoiceOver not starting in Lion

2011-07-29 Thread Joseph Norton
Hi:

Just upgraded to Lion and everything works satisfactorily, except that, when I 
boot up, VO does not automatically come up after log in.

VO works fine in the Login screen, but, won't automatically come on after login.

I believe the problem may be that I am running without a display, since I'm 
using a Mac Mini and this has worked ok, for the most part.

If there are any Mac Mini lion users out there, could you try booting up 
without your display plugged in and see if VO comes up?  If it doesn't, you 
should be able to hit cmd-f5 to get it to come up.

It's not enough to turn the monitor off, it needs to be disconnected to 
duplicate the conditions I'm working under.

If this happens, can any of you suggest a work-around?  I can get an old 
monitor and physically connect it.   It doesn't work, but, should provide the 
hardware functionality needed to correct this problem, if that's what it is.

It's not a big deal, although I'm going to write to the accessibility team at 
Apple to see what their thoughts are.

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Re: iTunes Keystroke Discovery

2011-07-29 Thread CJ Daniel
Hi,

Now if some one could just tell me how to play an album in the original track 
order, I'd be a happy camper...LOL  Anyone?  I mean absolutely @ all.

CJ

On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

 Hi friends,
 
 I've discovered a keystroke in iTunes rather by accident. In the main music 
 library playlist and with Shuffle off, option + the arrow left and right keys 
 will jump to the previous and next artist in the main playlist. For example,e 
 I was able to jump from Fitz and the Tantrums to The Fixx by hitting option + 
 right arrow. A cool feature which is way better than just hitting right arrow 
 repeatedly.
 
 Unfortunately, option and F9/F7 does not reproduce this, so you have to be in 
 the main iTunes window for this to occur.
 
 Please forgive me if this is common knowledge, but I thought it was pretty 
 rad. 
 
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Re: iTunes Keystroke Discovery

2011-07-29 Thread Esther

Hi CJ, 

To play an album in original track order, in the songs table of iTunes, navigate to the column for Album and use the sort command 
(VO+Shift+Backslash on an English input keyboard). You should be in list view (Command+Option+3).  If Album is not one of the columns 
being displayed, you can bring up the iTunes View Options… menu with Command+J and then check the box for Album before 
closing the window with Command+w.  (You can also do this by navigating to the menu bar with VO+m, pressing v to go to the 
View menu, and arrowing down to View Options… if you forget the shortcut).  The sort command is a toggle action and the first 
operation sorts in ascending order, the second reverses the sort to descending order.

You can always select the tracks and use Command+Shift+n for New Playlist from 
Selection to create a playlist in the listed order.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 29, 2011, at 07:18 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

Hi,

Now if some one could just tell me how to play an album in the original track 
order, I'd be a happy camper...LOL Anyone? I mean absolutely @ all.

CJ

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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

2011-07-29 Thread Shen
Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of Safari 
5.1.
I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content automatically.

On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the VO 
 curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page in a 
 session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each and every 
 page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
 
 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser is 
 supposed to go directly to it.
 
 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed Lion 
 and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day Lion came 
 out.
 
 Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will be 
 fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust differently?  
 Thanks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
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 barefootedray
 
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