Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Paul,

I probably spent about an hour learning how to use Prizmo. However, I recently 
had a client who learned how to use it in ten minutes and he had no sight at 
all, either!

You need a steady hand or something to rest the phone on while taking the 
picture. I use the voice command to minimise the risk of shaking the phone.

Have you read the Prizmo guide on Applevis?

Cheers,

Anne


On 19 Jun 2012, at 03:32, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Anne. I have tried Prismo a few times and haven't been very successful
> even with the aid of Light Detector. How much practice did it take for you
> to become proficient?
> 
> 
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> This is my signature
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> 
> Hello Lisette,
> 
> I have an iPhone 4 and have been using Prizmo successfully in both English
> and French for over a year now. I'm totally blind, no light perception, and
> yet it still works for me, often at the first attempt!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 18 Jun 2012, at 22:24, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
> 
>> My understanding is that Prismo is not worth bothering with unless you
> have an iPhone 4s. On anything lower the camera isn't good enough. That's
> why I haven't bought it. I hear it's quite good on the 4s though
>> 
>> Lisette
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Re: highlighting text in pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Maria,

To highlight the passages in Pages, you could select the section and change the 
colour. Press Cmd-Shift-c to open the colour window where you can choose your 
colour. The same command closes it again.

Cheers,

Anne


On 19 Jun 2012, at 02:10, Maria Chapman wrote:

> HI.
> 
> I am scanning a text book for my course.  My tutor wants me to highlight any 
> text that either won't read properly or any diagrams as I come across them.  
> In ms word I was shading the text.  Is there an equivalent way to do this in 
> pages?  If not, can anyone suggest how i can mark the section i need help 
> with?  Also when i export a document to word format and then save it after 
> making changes will it stay in that format?  IE will I be able to open it in 
> word when I get to TAFE?  
> 
> thanks
> 
> Maria Chapman
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> 
> "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
> Mahatma Gandhi
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Brandon Misch]

for lion you need 2gb of ram. if you check the section in the about this mac 
item, it should tell you how much ram you have. 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

> This was in the Apple keynote that Tim Cook gave last week at WWDC. 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
>> start with?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Jasonlefevers.massage" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
>>> 
>>> Jason LeFevers 
>>> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner
>>> Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
>>> massage today! 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
 My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
 enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do 
 I need more ram?
 Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
 Thanks,
 Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
 
 
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Re: few questions about osx mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Jacob,

You can select a specific MailBox, then go up to the View menu and deselect the 
Organize by Conversation option.  This will have all the messages within the 
given MailBox listed in whatever style you've chosen but not affect the other 
MailBoxes you've set up.

Hope that was what you were looking for.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-06-18, at 4:22 PM, Jakob Rosin wrote:

> Hi list!
> I have written into this list only one or two times before. that was the time 
> I didn't have a mac.
> Today I am happy to say, that I've got my first mac, the mac book air (wich I 
> currently am typing on, so excuse please if I messed something up).
> I've had time to play with it only few hours, but I already love it. I have a 
> question too.
> Is it possible to group messages by title in one folder, and don't group in 
> other folders?
> for example, I want the folder, where the mac visionaires list is to have 
> messages grouped to get better over view when reading, but I want to have 
> every message in my inbox shown without grouping.
> Is it somehow possible and where I could do that?
> 
> With best regards
> Jakob Rosin
> Skype: jakob.rosin
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RE: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Anne. I have tried Prismo a few times and haven't been very successful
even with the aid of Light Detector. How much practice did it take for you
to become proficient?



This is my signature


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Subject: Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

Hello Lisette,

I have an iPhone 4 and have been using Prizmo successfully in both English
and French for over a year now. I'm totally blind, no light perception, and
yet it still works for me, often at the first attempt!

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Jun 2012, at 22:24, Lisette Wesseling wrote:

> My understanding is that Prismo is not worth bothering with unless you
have an iPhone 4s. On anything lower the camera isn't good enough. That's
why I haven't bought it. I hear it's quite good on the 4s though
> 
> Lisette

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question for developers

[Blinkin]

Developers or anyone who does programming 
I am getting ready to get out of the military and have the opportunity 
to choose a new career. I am considering getting into computers on the nerd 
level instead of just the user level.
I love mac and Apple obviously so that is what I am thinking I want to 
target .
My question is in regards to schooling. 
Is it g=better to go and get a 4 year degree of to attend some sort of 
technical school and get more specific training.
I am still just gathering thoughts and info right now and haven't 
totally decided if this is what I want to do or not. The more you can share 
with me the better.
Feel free to email me off list since this isn't exactly Mac related but 
this list is the best place to ask this question. Thanks!

Mike 

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Re: remote access for macs?

[John Panarese]

 The only way I know of is using screen sharing through iChat.  The thing 
is, the person has to have the volume loud enough to hear for VoiceOver on 
their end because you will have to listen to it through the connection.  You 
could use SSH in terminal, but you would have to know your way around the 
command line.


Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:

> as far as I know this doesn't ixist.
> On 6/18/2012 1:33 PM, May and Noah wrote:
>> Hey there. I was wondering if the macs have remote access like with jaws? i 
>> need to help someone fix their mac and we're in two different locations of 
>> course. Do we have that capability? If so, can someone send me the steps on 
>> how to do so or where I should go look for that?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> May and Prince Noah
>> 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Pete Nalda]

This was in the Apple keynote that Tim Cook gave last week at WWDC. 

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On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
> start with?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Jasonlefevers.massage" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
>> 
>> Jason LeFevers 
>> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner
>> Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
>> massage today! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
>>> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
>>> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
>>> need more ram?
>>> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
>>> 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Stacey Robinson]

Kimberly, how much memory do you have?

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> You can upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.  I already tried the 
> upgrade from SL to Lion and hated it.  I went back to SL and don't know if 
> I'll give ML a shot or not.
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
>> start with?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Jasonlefevers.massage" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
>>> 
>>> Jason LeFevers 
>>> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner 
>>> Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
>>> massage today! 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
 My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
 enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do 
 I need more ram?
 Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
 Thanks,
 Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
 
 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks Ricardo.
I didn't want to try an upgrade without knowing for sure. SL is working well 
for me at the moment.

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> No way.  1GB is pretty under powered.  It might run but, I don't think it 
> would be very stable.
> 
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> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
>> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
>> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
>> need more ram?
>> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
>> Thanks,
>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
>> 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Jasonlefevers.massage]

Well this was a pleasant response. I an not totally sure if you can I am not 
that knowledgeable about it, however I don't see why you couldn't? And maybe 
just say that upgrade is not possible or something instead of this smart remark?

Jason LeFevers 
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massage today! 
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
> start with?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Jasonlefevers.massage" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
>> 
>> Jason LeFevers 
>> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner 
>> Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
>> massage today! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
>>> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
>>> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
>>> need more ram?
>>> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
>>> 
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Re: remote access for macs?

[Hank Smith]

as far as I know this doesn't ixist.
On 6/18/2012 1:33 PM, May and Noah wrote:

Hey there. I was wondering if the macs have remote access like with jaws? i 
need to help someone fix their mac and we're in two different locations of 
course. Do we have that capability? If so, can someone send me the steps on how 
to do so or where I should go look for that?

Thanks,
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Re: Mudder?

[Tamesha Tate]

Hi list,
In mudder, I  can get the muds to load perfectly fine, but I can't
control voice over. It will start  reading the output on the screen
and I can't get it to stop so I can type in info such as user name and
pass word or read line by line. Or just read output that is incoming
for that matter. Any help would greatly be appreciated.


On 6/18/12, Vivianna  wrote:
> hmm, well in my menus there are no buttons at all.  for example, there is
> connection but, it's not a button, no matter what i do it won't open.  and,
> yes, of course i tried to interact with everything, tab, open, use track
> pad, everything.  i can not get this app to do a thing.  anybody who wishes
> to help me out please contact me privately at; irish...@gmail.com
> i have also tried working with a very experienced mac user who tells me this
> app is completely not accessible and that there's nothing i am doing wrong.
> so, how are you guys getting a thing out of it?  nothing is labeled and i
> can't open anything.
> Vivianna
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>
>> HI.  in the connections group, there is a button that will open a list of
>> muds  you can connect to.
>>
>> hth.
>>
>>
>>  regards
>> Maria and crew from australia
>> email:
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> check out
>> www.powerradio104.us
>> where we play lots of great music
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19/06/2012, at 1:42 AM, jason lefevers wrote:
>>
>>> Hi I downloaded this att and I get connection apptions. Does someone
>>> have experience with using this app or playing MUD RPG games in general
>>> this seems very cool but I am not sure how to get started. When I got the
>>> Mudder app and open it it askes for ip address  and other things. I am
>>> not sure how to go about finding this info out . I did a couple google
>>> searches about MUD RPG but I am still not really sure what I am looking
>>> for. So if anyone could shead a little light on this for me and possibley
>>> give me a good place to get started I would greatly appreciate it.
>>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>>
 Hi.  I am not getting the unknown.  I get a connection group and other
 options did you try interacting with the unknown?


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> Hi all.
> i just purchased the mudder app from the app store.  it specifically
> states that this app works with voiceover however, when i open the app
> i am presented with "unknown".  i am unable to do anything with this
> app.  please help if you have used this app.  thanks so much.
>
> Vivianna
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Kimberly thurman]

You can upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.  I already tried the 
upgrade from SL to Lion and hated it.  I went back to SL and don't know if I'll 
give ML a shot or not.
On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
> start with?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
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> 
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Jasonlefevers.massage" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
>> 
>> Jason LeFevers 
>> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner 
>> Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
>> massage today! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
>>> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
>>> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
>>> need more ram?
>>> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
>>> 
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highlighting text in pages?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

I am scanning a text book for my course.  My tutor wants me to highlight any 
text that either won't read properly or any diagrams as I come across them.  In 
ms word I was shading the text.  Is there an equivalent way to do this in 
pages?  If not, can anyone suggest how i can mark the section i need help with? 
 Also when i export a document to word format and then save it after making 
changes will it stay in that format?  IE will I be able to open it in word when 
I get to TAFE?  

thanks

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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Ricardo Walker]

No way.  1GB is pretty under powered.  It might run but, I don't think it would 
be very stable.

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> Hi,
> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
> need more ram?
> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
> Thanks,
> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
> 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Ricardo Walker]

Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
start with?

Ricardo Walker
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> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
> 
> Jason LeFevers 
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> massage today! 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
>> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
>> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
>> need more ram?
>> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
>> Thanks,
>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
>> 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Jasonlefevers.massage]

Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 

Jason LeFevers 
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Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi,
> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
> need more ram?
> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
> Thanks,
> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
> 
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Re: Checking Mountain Lion Update Capability?

[Teresa Cochran]

Here's a page on upgrade info:
http://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/

HTH,
Teresa
On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:

> Evening list members I know there is a way to check if my machine is capable 
> of updating to Mountain Lion when it is released. I know this is in the about 
> this Mac menu, but I cannot seem to find it. I am fairly certain my mac pro 
> will run Mountain lion, but I would like to be certain.
> thanks for the help.
> Jesus Garcia
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Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi,
I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this enough 
to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I need more 
ram?
Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
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Re: VO support for FireFox.

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, I consider it an experiment and adventure at this point. Let's hope for 
accessibility more often than not.

Teresa

"Visualize whirled peas."

On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Yup, just tried it and they broke something. All I could reach was the full 
> screen button, close button etc. in the window chrome and none of the actual 
> browser controls or content. That's part of the fun in playing with nightly 
> builds. Some days you get the latest hot new features and other days you get 
> the latest hot new bugs.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/18/12 3:07 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>> Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case 
>> is 16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support.
>> My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox 
>> nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from 
>> that version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support 
>> again but the link appears to of broken.
>> 
>> Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover 
>> support is missing?
>> 
>> I'm dissapointed. Sad smile.
>> 
>> Daniel
>> On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here:
>>> 
>>> http://www.marcozehe.de/
>>> 
>>> although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in 
>>> the nightly builds of Firefox:
>>> 
>>> http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/
>>> 
>>> he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known 
>>> issues attached to it so you can add more  and/or read about the current 
>>> state of things here:
>>> 
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them 
 lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the 
 OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about 
 thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been 
 doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I 
 actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, 
 seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look 
 like they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's 
 source tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they 
 are required to do.  I think it is also that they want to use Apple's 
 development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, 
 but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it).
 
 It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X 
 (and not just by email).
 
 -eric
 
 On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
 
> Hi all.
> I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that 
> this was supposed to be at least partly accessible.
> Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing 
> something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, 
> nothing. All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom.
> Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this.
> Matthew Campbell.
> 
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Checking Mountain Lion Update Capability?

[Jesus Garcia]

Evening list members I know there is a way to check if my machine is capable
of updating to Mountain Lion when it is released. I know this is in the
about this Mac menu, but I cannot seem to find it. I am fairly certain my
mac pro will run Mountain lion, but I would like to be certain.

thanks for the help.

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RE: automatically importing audible books iTunes possible?

[Jesus Garcia]

And if this answer can go to the list I too would appreciated.

Jesus Garcia

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 17:46
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: automatically importing audible books iTunes possible?

 

Hi all,

 

When I I started downloading audiobooks to the mac they used to
automatically download after purchasing and then I am pretty sure they would
automatically start playing in iTunes. I disabled that at the time but have
absolutely no idea how to access this kind of preferences. Any help is as
allays very appreciated.

 

Best,

 

Ioana 


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Re: speaking of training...apple store?

[Karen Lewellen]

...hang a second.
they will train you for a year in person? and for only $99?
mercy!
Thanks,
Karen

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Les Kriegler wrote:


It's $99 for 1 year of training.

Les
On Jun 18, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi all,
How much does it cost there?
I long ago decided, especially after I had a macbook as a loan for a while, 
that when the time came, I am going to the store for voiceover work.  first, 
its terrific Apple offers this, and second they should be rewarded with people 
to make use of that option.
As I lean more towards an ipad, I wondered about others training experiences.  
and the rate?
I am simply interested, I am likely to try it regardless.
thanks,
Kare

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Re: speaking of training...apple store?

[Les Kriegler]

It's $99 for 1 year of training.

Les
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> Hi all,
> How much does it cost there?
> I long ago decided, especially after I had a macbook as a loan for a while, 
> that when the time came, I am going to the store for voiceover work.  first, 
> its terrific Apple offers this, and second they should be rewarded with 
> people to make use of that option.
> As I lean more towards an ipad, I wondered about others training experiences. 
>  and the rate?
> I am simply interested, I am likely to try it regardless.
> thanks,
> Kare
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Re: question about iPhone training

[Chuck]

Hi Gigi,
there is another Google group called VIPhone that deals strictly with voice 
over issues on the iPhone ,iPad, and iPod Touch.

There is a lot of very helpful and friendly advice there. here is a link:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/viphone

You may also want to look around for free iPhone  training  in your area.
I offer my school of hard knocks knowledge here in Tempe, AZ. at no cost.

Chuck



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> Hi guys.
> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk 
> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch 
> is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech 
> support. She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she 
> had tech support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at 
> work, her computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes 
> wrong. I at least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her 
> computer where they have tech people. 
>
> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I 
> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because 
> she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody 
> know if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like 
> you can on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only 
> blind person in the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I 
> may have to give it to her myself, but I think she would like it better 
> done by someone professional instead of a long-time friend. 
>
>
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>  
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Voiceover speak clipboard?

[Chuck]

Hi all, Is there a way to get Voiceover to speak the clipboard content on 
my Mac Mini?


When I want to read something on my PC I select the text, copy it then have 
Zoom Text read the clipboard.
I would like to be able to do this on my Mini.
Thanks
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speaking of training...apple store?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
How much does it cost there?
I long ago decided, especially after I had a macbook as a loan for a 
while, that when the time came, I am going to the store for voiceover 
work.  first, its terrific Apple offers this, and second they should be 
rewarded with people to make use of that option.
As I lean more towards an ipad, I wondered about others training 
experiences.  and the rate?

I am simply interested, I am likely to try it regardless.
thanks,
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few questions about osx mail

[Jakob Rosin]

Hi list!
I have written into this list only one or two times before. that was the time I 
didn't have a mac.
Today I am happy to say, that I've got my first mac, the mac book air (wich I 
currently am typing on, so excuse please if I messed something up).
I've had time to play with it only few hours, but I already love it. I have a 
question too.
Is it possible to group messages by title in one folder, and don't group in 
other folders?
for example, I want the folder, where the mac visionaires list is to have 
messages grouped to get better over view when reading, but I want to have every 
message in my inbox shown without grouping.
Is it somehow possible and where I could do that?

With best regards
Jakob Rosin
Skype: jakob.rosin

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Re: question about iPhone training

[Eugenia Firth]

Thanks again guys. I am saving all this information away for her. 


Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:09 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  I hear ebony consulting is pretty good.  :)  Please check out 
> www.erik-burggraaf.com, and feel free to call at the toll-free number below 
> if there is anything I can do to help.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at 
> $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-06-18, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
>> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk 
>> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch 
>> is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
>> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
>> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
>> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
>> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
>> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
>> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
>> they have tech people. 
>> 
>> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I 
>> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because 
>> she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know 
>> if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can 
>> on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person 
>> in the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give 
>> it to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
>> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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automatically importing audible books iTunes possible?

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,

When I I started downloading audiobooks to the mac they used to automatically 
download after purchasing and then I am pretty sure they would automatically 
start playing in iTunes. I disabled that at the time but have absolutely no 
idea how to access this kind of preferences. Any help is as allays very 
appreciated.

Best,

Ioana 

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question for app writers?

[Karen Lewellen]

Greetings,
sharing the below for a former computer professional of mine based on long 
island.  If anyone is writing using this code, reach out to him will you?

I feel sure Peter will be a sensational contributor to the cause.
Thanks,
Karen

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:27:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Mikochik 

hi list

i have been teaching myself  xcode, the environment used for creating iphone 
apps.

i am making good progress, but struggling with some aspects.

i am not sure where to turn for advice, so if anyone out there knows any blind 
folks who are also using xcode,  please help me to contact them.





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Re: question about iPhone training

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  I hear ebony consulting is pretty good.  :)  Please check out 
www.erik-burggraaf.com, and feel free to call at the toll-free number below if 
there is anything I can do to help.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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$0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2012-06-18, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk her 
> into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch is 
> because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
> they have tech people. 
> 
> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I can 
> talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because she 
> tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know if 
> VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can on 
> the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person in 
> the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give it 
> to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
> 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Lisette,

I have an iPhone 4 and have been using Prizmo successfully in both English and 
French for over a year now. I'm totally blind, no light perception, and yet it 
still works for me, often at the first attempt!

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Jun 2012, at 22:24, Lisette Wesseling wrote:

> My understanding is that Prismo is not worth bothering with unless you have 
> an iPhone 4s. On anything lower the camera isn't good enough. That's why I 
> haven't bought it. I hear it's quite good on the 4s though
> 
> Lisette

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Re: solved problem installing overdrive thanks for help!

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI,

Mistery solved. I must have opened the dmg file but for some reason focus was 
not brought to it so I ended up with multiple mounted drives. FOund them when I 
looked in my computer. 

Thought I'd share in case anyone runs into similar problems.

Best,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> HI all,
> 
> Hoe you are enjoying summer wherever you are.
> I tried to install overdrive to make use of the great info Esther shared 
> about those free audiobooks for the summer but am having the following 
> problem:
> I downloaded the odmediaconsolesetup.dmg it shows it is 5 mb. I go to finder 
> and try to open the dmg file and nothing happens. No warning no nothing. 
> Tried command o command down arrow open from menu etc. What am I missing?
> Thanks for your help!
> Best,
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 

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remote access for macs?

[May and Noah]

Hey there. I was wondering if the macs have remote access like with jaws? i 
need to help someone fix their mac and we're in two different locations of 
course. Do we have that capability? If so, can someone send me the steps on how 
to do so or where I should go look for that?

Thanks,
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Re: VO support for FireFox.

[Chris Blouch]

Yup, just tried it and they broke something. All I could reach was the 
full screen button, close button etc. in the window chrome and none of 
the actual browser controls or content. That's part of the fun in 
playing with nightly builds. Some days you get the latest hot new 
features and other days you get the latest hot new bugs.


CB

On 6/18/12 3:07 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case is 
16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support.
My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox 
nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from that 
version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support again but 
the link appears to of broken.

Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover support 
is missing?

I'm dissapointed. Sad smile.

Daniel
On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote:


For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here:

http://www.marcozehe.de/

although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in the 
nightly builds of Firefox:

http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/

he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known issues 
attached to it so you can add more  and/or read about the current state of 
things here:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1

CB

On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them lots 
of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the OS X 
platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about thanking me 
for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been doing this for 
slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I actually had a human 
respond to me about keeping a separate code base, seeking access to apple's 
entire source tree, etc. it really does look like they won't do much unless 
they can get unfettered access to apple's source tree. apple did publish their 
API standards and that is all they are required to do.  I think it is also that 
they want to use Apple's development environment without paying for the 
privilege (it is not free, but the price is still cheap enough that I can 
afford it).

It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X (and 
not just by email).

-eric

On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:


Hi all.
I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this 
was supposed to be at least partly accessible.
Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something 
wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see are 
buttons for close, full screen and zoom.
Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this.
Matthew Campbell.


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Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

[Lisette Wesseling]

My understanding is that Prismo is not worth bothering with unless you have 
an iPhone 4s. On anything lower the camera isn't good enough. That's why I 
haven't bought it. I hear it's quite good on the 4s though


Lisette

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To: 
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Subject: Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad



Hello Mary,

On 18 Jun 2012, at 21:54, Mary Scott wrote:

So does this maake it possible to take a picture of printed material and 
it will read it back on the iPhone?


Not exactly. Once Prizmo is set up correctly, you select Text, take the 
picture of the page, tap Use and wait for the OCR to be completed.


It takes some practice to get the knack.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: VO support for FireFox.

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
This is exactly the same issue I brought up over the weekend. Not entirely sure 
what's going on here.
On 2012-06-18, at 3:07 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case 
> is 16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support. 
> My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox 
> nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from that 
> version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support again but 
> the link appears to of broken. 
> 
> Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover support 
> is missing? 
> 
> I'm dissapointed. Sad smile. 
> 
> Daniel 
> On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here:
>> 
>> http://www.marcozehe.de/
>> 
>> although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in 
>> the nightly builds of Firefox:
>> 
>> http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/
>> 
>> he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known issues 
>> attached to it so you can add more  and/or read about the current state of 
>> things here:
>> 
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them 
>>> lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the 
>>> OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about 
>>> thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been 
>>> doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I 
>>> actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, 
>>> seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like 
>>> they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source 
>>> tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are 
>>> required to do.  I think it is also that they want to use Apple's 
>>> development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, 
>>> but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it).
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X 
>>> (and not just by email).
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all.
 I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that 
 this was supposed to be at least partly accessible.
 Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing 
 something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. 
 All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom.
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Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mary,

On 18 Jun 2012, at 21:54, Mary Scott wrote:

> So does this maake it possible to take a picture of printed material and it 
> will read it back on the iPhone?

Not exactly. Once Prizmo is set up correctly, you select Text, take the picture 
of the page, tap Use and wait for the OCR to be completed.

It takes some practice to get the knack.

Cheers,

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problem installing overdrive thanks for help!

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI all,

Hoe you are enjoying summer wherever you are.
I tried to install overdrive to make use of the great info Esther shared about 
those free audiobooks for the summer but am having the following problem:
I downloaded the odmediaconsolesetup.dmg it shows it is 5 mb. I go to finder 
and try to open the dmg file and nothing happens. No warning no nothing. Tried 
command o command down arrow open from menu etc. What am I missing?
Thanks for your help!
Best,
Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
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Re: question about iPhone training

[Cameron Strife]

I offer iOS training via skype for a reasonable price. If that's a
route she may be interested in, please have her drop me an e mail. My
e mail address is came...@cameronstrife.com

Thanks,

Cameron.





On 6/18/12, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> Thanks Scott. I will let her know. She is not yet ready, but I wanted to
> check on it before I mentioned it to her.
>
>
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>
>> Hello Eugene,
>>  If your friend is interested in getting some training or I would rather
>> call it teaching help with an iPhone or for that matter anything to do
>> with assistive technology, I would like to offer my services.  I am part
>> of a new firm here in Georgia that offers low cost support and training or
>> teaching for all of Apple's products.  I am also very knowledgeable with
>> Windows screen readers so I could also help with that as well.
>>
>>  If you or your friend are interested let me know and we can talk about
>> rates and what services that your friend might be interested in.  If you
>> go to:  http://www.fedoraoutlier.com you can learn more about our company
>> and what services we offer.  As I said we are a firm that specializes in
>> Apple accessibility and I am sure that once you and your friend look at
>> our website that you will agree that we are the ones to come to for
>> teaching skills such as you described.
>>
>> Scott E. Rumery
>> Assistive Technology Consultant
>>
>> Phone Number: 478-993-8717
>> Email Address: blindfait...@gmail.com
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys.
>>> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line.
>>> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk
>>> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't
>>> switch is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to
>>> edit the things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but
>>> sort of not, I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with
>>> little tech support. She just retired from a job where she was using
>>> Windows, and she had tech support any time things went wrong. Despite her
>>> experience at work, her computer skills are a little shaky, especially if
>>> anything goes wrong. I at least talked her into a laptop and going
>>> somewhere to get her computer where they have tech people.
>>>
>>> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I
>>> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all.
>>> Because she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does
>>> anybody know if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the
>>> iPhone like you can on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would
>>> be the only blind person in the class, and I think she's going to need
>>> one-on-one. I may have to give it to her myself, but I think she would
>>> like it better done by someone professional instead of a long-time
>>> friend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: OCR for iPhone 4s or iPad

[Mary Scott]

So does this maake it possible to take a picture of printed material and it 
will read it back on the iPhone?
On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Most people find Prizmo to be the best OCR app for iPhone. Here is a link to 
> the Prizmo guide on Applevis:
> 
> 
> I suspect it works best on an iPhone since it has a better camera than other 
> IOS devices.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2012, at 11:26, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Hello listers!
>> I would like to know if there is any good or cout software for iPhone or iPad
>> If it exists, which is better? An iPhone or the new iPad? 
>> Please let me know the name of such a software.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated
>> Thank you
>> Cheers
>> Venkatesh Potluri 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: question about iPhone training

[Eugenia Firth]

Thanks Scott. I will let her know. She is not yet ready, but I wanted to check 
on it before I mentioned it to her. 


Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Scott Rumery wrote:

> Hello Eugene,
>   If your friend is interested in getting some training or I would rather 
> call it teaching help with an iPhone or for that matter anything to do with 
> assistive technology, I would like to offer my services.  I am part of a new 
> firm here in Georgia that offers low cost support and training or teaching 
> for all of Apple's products.  I am also very knowledgeable with Windows 
> screen readers so I could also help with that as well.
> 
>   If you or your friend are interested let me know and we can talk about 
> rates and what services that your friend might be interested in.  If you go 
> to:  http://www.fedoraoutlier.com you can learn more about our company and 
> what services we offer.  As I said we are a firm that specializes in Apple 
> accessibility and I am sure that once you and your friend look at our website 
> that you will agree that we are the ones to come to for teaching skills such 
> as you described.
> 
> Scott E. Rumery
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> 
> Phone Number: 478-993-8717
> Email Address: blindfait...@gmail.com
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
>> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk 
>> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch 
>> is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
>> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
>> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
>> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
>> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
>> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
>> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
>> they have tech people. 
>> 
>> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I 
>> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because 
>> she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know 
>> if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can 
>> on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person 
>> in the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give 
>> it to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
>> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: VO support for FireFox.

[Daniel McGee]

Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case is 
16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support. 
My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox 
nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from that 
version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support again but 
the link appears to of broken. 

Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover support 
is missing? 

I'm dissapointed. Sad smile. 

Daniel 
On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote:

> For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here:
> 
> http://www.marcozehe.de/
> 
> although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in the 
> nightly builds of Firefox:
> 
> http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/
> 
> he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known issues 
> attached to it so you can add more  and/or read about the current state of 
> things here:
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them 
>> lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the 
>> OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about 
>> thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been 
>> doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I 
>> actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, 
>> seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like 
>> they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source 
>> tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are 
>> required to do.  I think it is also that they want to use Apple's 
>> development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, 
>> but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it).
>> 
>> It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X 
>> (and not just by email).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that 
>>> this was supposed to be at least partly accessible.
>>> Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing 
>>> something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. 
>>> All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom.
>>> Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this.
>>> Matthew Campbell.
>>> 
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Re: Mudder?

[Vivianna]

hmm, well in my menus there are no buttons at all.  for example, there is 
connection but, it's not a button, no matter what i do it won't open.  and, 
yes, of course i tried to interact with everything, tab, open, use track pad, 
everything.  i can not get this app to do a thing.  anybody who wishes to help 
me out please contact me privately at; irish...@gmail.com
i have also tried working with a very experienced mac user who tells me this 
app is completely not accessible and that there's nothing i am doing wrong.  
so, how are you guys getting a thing out of it?  nothing is labeled and i can't 
open anything. 
Vivianna
On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> HI.  in the connections group, there is a button that will open a list of 
> muds  you can connect to.
> 
> hth.
> 
> 
>   regards
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> email:
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> www.powerradio104.us
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> 
> 
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 1:42 AM, jason lefevers wrote:
> 
>>  Hi I downloaded this att and I get connection apptions. Does someone 
>> have experience with using this app or playing MUD RPG games in general this 
>> seems very cool but I am not sure how to get started. When I got the Mudder 
>> app and open it it askes for ip address  and other things. I am not sure how 
>> to go about finding this info out . I did a couple google searches about MUD 
>> RPG but I am still not really sure what I am looking for. So if anyone could 
>> shead a little light on this for me and possibley give me a good place to 
>> get started I would greatly appreciate it. 
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.  I am not getting the unknown.  I get a connection group and other 
>>> options did you try interacting with the unknown?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
>>> Email/ I Message: &fb  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> twitter: bubbygirl 
>>> skype: bubbygirl1972
>>> 
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/06/2012, at 11:17 AM, Vivianna wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all.
 i just purchased the mudder app from the app store.  it specifically 
 states that this app works with voiceover however, when i open the app i 
 am presented with "unknown".  i am unable to do anything with this app.  
 please help if you have used this app.  thanks so much.
 
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Re: Upgrading a macbook pro from late 2010

[CJ Daniel]

David,

I, recently, upgraded the RAM in my 2008 MBP by myself, with a little sighted 
assistant from my 17-year-old.  I went from 2GB to 4GB & really noticed a 
difference in VoiceOver's performance.  Mind you, it's not as if I went from a 
VolksWagon to a Formula 1 race car.  But, VO doesn't lag or stutter anymore.

I'm thinking about a SSD,now, myself.  I believe that would be about the last 
tweak I could make to this machine for any performance gain.  I wish you luck.

CJ


On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:52 PM, David Philip Martin Babula Hole wrote:

> Thanks much.
> 
> But can I do it myself, or do I have to visit an apple store?
> 
> -David
> 
> Sendt fra min iPhone
> 
> Den 18. juni 2012 kl. 05:33 skrev Ricardo Walker :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes it is.  I upgraded the RAM, and put an SSD into my 2010 Macbook
> pro.  I also took out my optical drive and replaced it with the old
> rotating hard drive that came with my Mac.  The performance is great.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:30 PM, David Hole  wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> Is it possible to upgrade a mbp from late 2010 with more ram and maybe
>> a ssd disk?
>> If so, is it worth doing it?
>> 
>> -David
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Re: question about iPhone training

[Scott Rumery]

I completely agree Les.  That is why our firm specializes in One To One 
training, and we also offer group training for those clients that would like to 
have 3 to 10 people trained at the same time.  This group training takes up a 
full 8 hour day in a specific location that we and our clients agree on and of 
course costs more, but as I said, with this service we can train/ teach a group 
of individuals at the same time.

Scott E. Rumery
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Phone Number: 478-993-8717
Email Address: blindfait...@gmail.com
On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

> There are 2 issues to consider about one on one training at an Apple store.  
> First, while the reps have heard of VoiceOver, it doesn't mean they really 
> know it.  She would have to find someone at the store with whom she could 
> work on a regular basis.  When I purchased our first Mac, this is what I did, 
> I had to work it out with the store manager.  I had a better experience once 
> I identified the rep who knew VoiceOver.  The second issue is that training 
> must take place in the store out in the open.  You sit at a table on a high 
> stool, and you have to block out the noise around you.  If she becomes 
> rattled easily, I don't think this would be the most optimal  learning 
> environment for a beginner.  One on One training in a quiet setting is a 
> better route to go, in my opinion.
> 
> Les
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
>> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk 
>> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch 
>> is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
>> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
>> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
>> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
>> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
>> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
>> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
>> they have tech people. 
>> 
>> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I 
>> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because 
>> she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know 
>> if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can 
>> on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person 
>> in the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give 
>> it to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
>> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mudder?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.  in the connections group, there is a button that will open a list of muds  
you can connect to.

hth.


regards
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On 19/06/2012, at 1:42 AM, jason lefevers wrote:

>   Hi I downloaded this att and I get connection apptions. Does someone 
> have experience with using this app or playing MUD RPG games in general this 
> seems very cool but I am not sure how to get started. When I got the Mudder 
> app and open it it askes for ip address  and other things. I am not sure how 
> to go about finding this info out . I did a couple google searches about MUD 
> RPG but I am still not really sure what I am looking for. So if anyone could 
> shead a little light on this for me and possibley give me a good place to get 
> started I would greatly appreciate it. 
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  I am not getting the unknown.  I get a connection group and other 
>> options did you try interacting with the unknown?
>> 
>> 
>> Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
>> Email/ I Message: &fb  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> twitter: bubbygirl 
>> skype: bubbygirl1972
>> 
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/06/2012, at 11:17 AM, Vivianna wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> i just purchased the mudder app from the app store.  it specifically states 
>>> that this app works with voiceover however, when i open the app i am 
>>> presented with "unknown".  i am unable to do anything with this app.  
>>> please help if you have used this app.  thanks so much.
>>> 
>>> Vivianna
>>> 
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Re: Mudder?

[jason lefevers]

Hi I downloaded this att and I get connection apptions. Does someone 
have experience with using this app or playing MUD RPG games in general this 
seems very cool but I am not sure how to get started. When I got the Mudder app 
and open it it askes for ip address  and other things. I am not sure how to go 
about finding this info out . I did a couple google searches about MUD RPG but 
I am still not really sure what I am looking for. So if anyone could shead a 
little light on this for me and possibley give me a good place to get started I 
would greatly appreciate it. 
On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> Hi.  I am not getting the unknown.  I get a connection group and other 
> options did you try interacting with the unknown?
> 
> 
> Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 18/06/2012, at 11:17 AM, Vivianna wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> i just purchased the mudder app from the app store.  it specifically states 
>> that this app works with voiceover however, when i open the app i am 
>> presented with "unknown".  i am unable to do anything with this app.  please 
>> help if you have used this app.  thanks so much.
>> 
>> Vivianna
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Re: question about iPhone training

[Scott Rumery]

Hello Eugene,
If your friend is interested in getting some training or I would rather 
call it teaching help with an iPhone or for that matter anything to do with 
assistive technology, I would like to offer my services.  I am part of a new 
firm here in Georgia that offers low cost support and training or teaching for 
all of Apple's products.  I am also very knowledgeable with Windows screen 
readers so I could also help with that as well.

If you or your friend are interested let me know and we can talk about 
rates and what services that your friend might be interested in.  If you go to: 
 http://www.fedoraoutlier.com you can learn more about our company and what 
services we offer.  As I said we are a firm that specializes in Apple 
accessibility and I am sure that once you and your friend look at our website 
that you will agree that we are the ones to come to for teaching skills such as 
you described.

Scott E. Rumery
Assistive Technology Consultant

Phone Number: 478-993-8717
Email Address: blindfait...@gmail.com
On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk her 
> into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch is 
> because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
> they have tech people. 
> 
> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I can 
> talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because she 
> tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know if 
> VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can on 
> the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person in 
> the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give it 
> to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
> 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
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Screen Curtain in Lion fixed?

[Rodney Haynie]

Hey everyone.

I did not notice a post on this so...

FYI:
Looks like Apple fixed the screen curtain in one of the more recent
Lion updates.
When I toggle the screen curtain on the screen no longer goes
completely bright. It goes dark like it is supposed to.

Keystroke Vo/shift f11.
Or three finger tripple tap will toggle the curtain as well.

Take care.
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Re: The Apple Key Note

[Chris Blouch]

I thought they said something to that effect - that pedestrian, biking, 
hiking and public transportation stuff was being left to 3rd party apps 
for now.


CB

On 6/16/12 6:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

in this instance, I don't know if telling us the destination is on the left or 
right side would matter since the new Maps app by all accounts doesn't support 
pedestrian mode.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jun 16, 2012, at 6:21 AM, Gigi  wrote:


Hi guys
I was waiting to see if anybody was going to pick up on this, but one of the 
things Apple talked about on the keynote was turn by turn directions, not just 
maps. They gave a demonstration and it did what you think it would, Toews right 
and left for the street. So far, I only have one criticism of the 
demonstration. The voiceover type voice never told that the dent that the 
destination was on the right or the left. They were talking about sighted   
people using their

Cars eyes free. They have managed to acquire a perfect population for checking 
this out on. Because if we can do it…

Regards
Gigi Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 12, 2012, at 8:53 AM, irid domnori  wrote:


I'm not sure about it, but I can say  you that it uses google maps for the 
names of the roads ecc….
It really is not a real navigator but it can be useful for looking (or better, 
touching) the roads near us for helping as orienteering ourselves.

irid domnori
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Il giorno 12/giu/2012, alle ore 15:29, Krister Ekstrom ha scritto:

Hi,
Maybe a stupid question here, but could Ariadne help us if walking in a forest? 
I thought it was more for streets and such, but i could be wrong.
/Krister

12 jun 2012 kl. 14:03 skrev irid domnori:


yes, the Gps navigation was developed by an Italian developer and it's named 
Ariadne gps (in euros it coast 4.99 euros, maybe 8$?)

irid domnori
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Il giorno 12/giu/2012, alle ore 14:00, Eugenia Firth ha scritto:

Hi guys.
I really like the Apple Key Note. To start with, the first person they showed 
on the video of Apps was a blind guy using a GPS to walk in the forest. 
Although they had to talk about pictures and displays for our sighted friends, 
there was a lot talked about (like Mountain Lion and Siri and IOS) that we want 
to know about, too. They even said they were glad about more people using 
accessibility with IOS and that were more of us. So, if you haven't called it 
up yet, you might want to check out the Key Note.


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Re: VO support for FireFox.

[Chris Blouch]

For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here:

http://www.marcozehe.de/

although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being 
in the nightly builds of Firefox:


http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/

he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known 
issues attached to it so you can add more  and/or read about the current 
state of things here:


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1

CB

On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them lots 
of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the OS X 
platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about thanking me 
for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been doing this for 
slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I actually had a human 
respond to me about keeping a separate code base, seeking access to apple's 
entire source tree, etc. it really does look like they won't do much unless 
they can get unfettered access to apple's source tree. apple did publish their 
API standards and that is all they are required to do.  I think it is also that 
they want to use Apple's development environment without paying for the 
privilege (it is not free, but the price is still cheap enough that I can 
afford it).

It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X (and 
not just by email).

-eric

On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:


Hi all.
I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this 
was supposed to be at least partly accessible.
Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something 
wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see are 
buttons for close, full screen and zoom.
Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this.
Matthew Campbell.


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Re: Mudder?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.  I am not getting the unknown.  I get a connection group and other options 
did you try interacting with the unknown?


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On 18/06/2012, at 11:17 AM, Vivianna wrote:

> Hi all.
> i just purchased the mudder app from the app store.  it specifically states 
> that this app works with voiceover however, when i open the app i am 
> presented with "unknown".  i am unable to do anything with this app.  please 
> help if you have used this app.  thanks so much.
> 
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Re: Why can't I delete .band file?

[Chris Blouch]

Every now and then I get a 'phantom' file on my desktop that can't be 
deleted and it only goes away after a reboot. Give it a whirl, can't 
hurt much :)


CB

On 6/17/12 5:44 PM, Blinkin wrote:

No it's closed

On Jun 17, 2012, at 1:02 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hi,

are you trying to delete the file with the garageband project still open?

Ricardo Walker
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On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Blinkin  wrote:


All,
I have been doing a lot of playing with Garage Band and for some reason two 
times when I have created a new track it also places a file with the same name 
that ends with dot band.
I don't know why this is happening but It won't let me delete the file. it 
says my song dot band cannot be deleted.
Any ideas here?
Thanks yawl

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Re: question about iPhone training

[Gigi]

Hi guys
Thanks for the comments. It just so happens, that one of the gentleman at the 
North Park Apple store, is now beginning to consider himself the voiceover 
person. This is because he is working with myself and another blind friend. 
Then, a couple more people walk it. As for the noise, what day was to put 
speakers on and turn the volume up, and that wasn't a problem. You just have to 
make sure and ask for speakers. It works fine on my Mac.
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> There are 2 issues to consider about one on one training at an Apple store.  
> First, while the reps have heard of VoiceOver, it doesn't mean they really 
> know it.  She would have to find someone at the store with whom she could 
> work on a regular basis.  When I purchased our first Mac, this is what I did, 
> I had to work it out with the store manager.  I had a better experience once 
> I identified the rep who knew VoiceOver.  The second issue is that training 
> must take place in the store out in the open.  You sit at a table on a high 
> stool, and you have to block out the noise around you.  If she becomes 
> rattled easily, I don't think this would be the most optimal  learning 
> environment for a beginner.  One on One training in a quiet setting is a 
> better route to go, in my opinion.
> 
> Les
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
>> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk 
>> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch 
>> is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
>> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
>> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
>> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
>> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
>> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
>> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
>> they have tech people. 
>> 
>> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I 
>> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because 
>> she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know 
>> if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can 
>> on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person 
>> in the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give 
>> it to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
>> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
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reading Notifications.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello All.

I have formatted my I phone 4S a couple of times in the hope my notifications 
will read when the screen is locked.  It's not happening and wish to know if 
any one else is having this problem?  It started after the last update.

Kawal.

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Re: question about iPhone training

[Red.Falcon]

Yes I found in my store to be to noisy I wonder why Apple stores have a quiet 
room[s] for this use!
Colin

On 18 Jun 2012, at 13:54, Les Kriegler wrote:

> There are 2 issues to consider about one on one training at an Apple store.  
> First, while the reps have heard of VoiceOver, it doesn't mean they really 
> know it.  She would have to find someone at the store with whom she could 
> work on a regular basis.  When I purchased our first Mac, this is what I did, 
> I had to work it out with the store manager.  I had a better experience once 
> I identified the rep who knew VoiceOver.  The second issue is that training 
> must take place in the store out in the open.  You sit at a table on a high 
> stool, and you have to block out the noise around you.  If she becomes 
> rattled easily, I don't think this would be the most optimal  learning 
> environment for a beginner.  One on One training in a quiet setting is a 
> better route to go, in my opinion.
> 
> Les
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
>> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk 
>> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch 
>> is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
>> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
>> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
>> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
>> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
>> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
>> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
>> they have tech people. 
>> 
>> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I 
>> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because 
>> she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know 
>> if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can 
>> on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person 
>> in the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give 
>> it to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
>> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: question about iPhone training

[Les Kriegler]

There are 2 issues to consider about one on one training at an Apple store.  
First, while the reps have heard of VoiceOver, it doesn't mean they really know 
it.  She would have to find someone at the store with whom she could work on a 
regular basis.  When I purchased our first Mac, this is what I did, I had to 
work it out with the store manager.  I had a better experience once I 
identified the rep who knew VoiceOver.  The second issue is that training must 
take place in the store out in the open.  You sit at a table on a high stool, 
and you have to block out the noise around you.  If she becomes rattled easily, 
I don't think this would be the most optimal  learning environment for a 
beginner.  One on One training in a quiet setting is a better route to go, in 
my opinion.

Les
On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk her 
> into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch is 
> because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
> they have tech people. 
> 
> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I can 
> talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because she 
> tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know if 
> VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can on 
> the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person in 
> the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give it 
> to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
> 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
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question about iPhone training

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. She's 
not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk her into 
switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch is because 
she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the things. 
Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, I'm 
concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. She 
just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech support 
any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her computer skills 
are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at least talked her 
into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where they have tech 
people. 

Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I can 
talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because she 
tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know if 
VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can on 
the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person in 
the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give it to 
her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone professional 
instead of a long-time friend. 


Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



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Re: mail

[erik burggraaf]

Keep pressing once you hit the slideshow button and you will get a save button.
Press control option space to open the menu.
Arrow down to save all attachments and press enter.
tab to the save button and press enter.

Hope this helps,

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On 2012-06-17, at 9:52 PM, Walter Harper wrote:

> I need to be able to same the attachment 
> On Jun 17, 2012, at 9:51 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
>> Press enter on the email message to open it.
>> Press control option right arrow until you get to the slideshow button.
>> Press control option space.
>> This will open the PDF file in quicklook so you can view it's contents.
>> When you are done, press the space bar on it's own to get rid of the window.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting 
>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
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>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2012-06-17, at 9:48 PM, Walter Harper wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you open an attachment in mail?  I have a PDF file that I need to 
>>> open.
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