Re: blind square

2013-06-29 Thread Vivianna
i absolutely love this app.  i am still learning the new city that i have moved 
to and, this app is great for that.  yesterday, for example, i was on 
paratransit.  well, you know how they tend to drive you about, who knows where, 
while on your way to your destination?  i started my blind square app and just 
had a listen as we were going along.  we pulled into a parking lot, i shook the 
phone and it told me we were at a grocery store.  i asked the driver; hey, are 
we at the grocery store and he said; we sure are.  
it's great for learning new streets as well as what's around you when on out of 
town trips also.
i do use my navigation apps with ear buds though instead of bluetooth.  i think 
it's just the nature of the beast but, things seem to be cut out completely or 
the first part is chopped off.

Vivianna

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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Christina,

It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple pages 
with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions between pages 
whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or press Cmd-n for 
each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned the final page, and 
it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR can perform the OCR.

Cheers,

Anne


On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning with 
 vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we just use 
 fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
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MBraille podcast

2013-06-29 Thread Chris H

Good morning all.
Simple question, who would like me to do a podcast on this fantastic 
app? Plan to do it in a few weeks.

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Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Eugenia Firth
Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway. However, I 
am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program after I go in 
to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had the same problem. I 
had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice over you have to double 
tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to take them off of the app 
switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go into the editing feature and 
instead opens whatever program you Happened to touch. If I restart the iPhone, 
it doesn't do that. This is really weird, and I have never seen this happen 
before.

However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone since 
I have a for S iPhone.
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!
 
 This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is just 
 that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop it. In 
 iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while anyway 
 (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take battery more 
 than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which device models it 
 does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.
 
 You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you want 
 to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help you how 
 to do it with voiceover. 
 There are other options too, you can find more info from here: 
 http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking
 
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi there 
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as features. 
 There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee, just to 
 name one, that I love. 
 
 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway. 
 Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem 
 that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and press 
 double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open the 
 program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is 
 because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not 
 there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my 
 house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is 
 better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing that 
 I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello you all!
 
 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the 
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
 
 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting with 
 end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit by 
 bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional development 
 style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving your ideas 
 what you would like to see in future versions.
 
 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi guys 
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed 
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and 
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never 
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my 
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When 
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who cares! I 
 remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for 
 Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was 
 sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille 
 display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself: 
 Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things? Of 
 course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat 
 didn't get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it 
 as a phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make 
 phone calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone 
 eventually, but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: Well, 
 I can do all that right now. I guess she won't get it either until she 
 gets one herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. 
 It's a case of finding out you wanted something you didn't know you wanted 
 until you got it. 
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 
 On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 *grin, seriously addicted grin.
 On 2013-06-27, at 2:13 PM, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hello  everyone, 
 

Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Ilkka Pirttimaa
Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no
control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other
app either?


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway.
 However, I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program
 after I go in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had
 the same problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice
 over you have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to
 take them off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go
 into the editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to
 touch. If I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird,
 and I have never seen this happen before.

 However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone
 since I have a for S iPhone.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello!

 This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
 just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
 it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
 anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
 battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
 device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.

 You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you
 want to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help
 you how to do it with voiceover.
 There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
 http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking



 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi there
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
 just to name one, that I love.

 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway.
 Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem
 that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and
 press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open
 the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is
 because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not
 there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my
 house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is
 better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello you all!

 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.

 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
 with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
 by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
 development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
 your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.

 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev




 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who cares! I
 remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for
 Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was
 sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille
 display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself:
 Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things? Of
 course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't
 get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a
 phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make phone
 calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually,
 but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: Well, I can do all
 that right now. I guess she won't get it either until she gets one
 herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a
 case of finding out you wanted something you didn't know you wanted until
 you got it.

 Regards,
 Gigi


 On Jun 27, 2013, at 

Re: finding dropbox

2013-06-29 Thread Danny Noonan
Yes you download it from the 
Dropbox.com
Site and do the following to install it properly. 

. Do a google search for
Install Dropbox with VoiceOver
And a great document from memory by maccessibility will turn up with simple 
instructions on installing Dropbox. Follow them or you won't get full access to 
functionality. 



Danny. 
Sent from my iPhone

On 29/06/2013, at 2:20 PM, jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello All:
 So I went to the app store for the mac for the first time thinking that I 
 would download dropbox and see if I can figure it out.  I did a search for it 
 but all that the results showed appear to be some programs that work with 
 drop box.
 I am thinking perhaps it must be downloaded from the drop box site rather 
 than the  app store?
 Is there anything I need to know before installing it?
 Many thanks,
 Jean
 
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Re: MBraille podcast

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
I would love something like that. 
On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:44 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good morning all.
 Simple question, who would like me to do a podcast on this fantastic app? 
 Plan to do it in a few weeks.
 Comments welcome.
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Mac FTP Client?

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
Are there any V-O accessible ftp clients for Mac? Thanks.

Shane

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Remapping vo to capslock again.

2013-06-29 Thread Danny Noonan
With the updates to the apps to rout vo to caps lock, just wondered which app 
versions should be used now. I tried installing them and following the applevis 
instructions but it didn't work and I'm trying to work out what went wrong. 

Any help greatly appreciated.

Danny.


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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Anne,

so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is possible 
to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on the Mac as 
well.
Best,
Donna
On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Christina,
 
 It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
 scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple pages 
 with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions between pages 
 whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or press Cmd-n for 
 each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned the final page, and 
 it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR can perform the OCR.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
 with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we just 
 use fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Anouk Radix
Hi Donna, The problem that i personally get when trying to scan with my adf 
multiple times if using finereader on the mac:
After a few tries the adf works fine, so it can scan continuously, but when you 
have inserted the next load in the pdf and hit scan in finereader you will 
again have to set the settings in the driver before you can start scanning 
again, so you have to tell the driver that you want to use the adf for input 
etc.
I am not sure if this is where Anne is referring to as well but i for my part 
will try vuescan tosee if that will make it a bit less complicated.
Testing the different aproaches is key here i guess and see what works the 
quickest.
Greetings, Anouk,
On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Anne,
 
 so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
 pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
 continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
 possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
 the Mac as well.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Christina,
 
 It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
 scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple pages 
 with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions between pages 
 whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or press Cmd-n for 
 each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned the final page, 
 and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR can perform the 
 OCR.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
 with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we just 
 use fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
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Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi again
As far as I remember, that is right that it's not just BlindSquare that I 
couldn't stop. However, for some weird reason, and it may be an iOS  thing like 
you  say, I have never had this happen when exiting any other program. I have 
Navigon On my iPhone also, and it has never done this with the app switcher.  
However  it wants not to stop  either. So, like you say, it is probably 
something you can't do anything about.


Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no 
 control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other 
 app either?
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway. However, 
 I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program after I go 
 in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had the same 
 problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice over you 
 have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to take them 
 off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go into the 
 editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to touch. If 
 I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird, and I have 
 never seen this happen before.
 
 However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone 
 since I have a for S iPhone.
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello!
 
 This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is 
 just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop 
 it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while 
 anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take 
 battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which 
 device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.
 
 You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you want 
 to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help you how 
 to do it with voiceover. 
 There are other options too, you can find more info from here: 
 http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking
 
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi there 
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as 
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like 
 TapTapSee, just to name one, that I love. 
 
 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway. 
 Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem 
 that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and 
 press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open 
 the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it 
 is because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not 
 there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my 
 house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, 
 is better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing 
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello you all!
 
 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the 
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
 
 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting 
 with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, 
 bit by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional 
 development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by 
 giving your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.
 
 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi guys 
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed 
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it 
 and that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I 
 never dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my 
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. 
 When people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who 
 cares! I remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of 
 presentation for Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with 
 an iPhone and I was sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this 
 was to have a braille display hooked up to a phone of all things. I 
 remember saying to myself: Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on 
 a phone of all things? Of course, guess what I 

Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
least!


What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want to 
mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 
5 I just say Siri set the alarm for whatever it is

Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am 
now seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't 
need a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my 
ITunes library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can 
choose between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I 
already have a count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. 
What I need specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the 
line alarm clock.  Just something real down and dirty that will get the 
job done.  No, Terminal users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my 
crontab.  I'm sorry but that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to 
do it, really... for something this easy... why?  I just want to set the 
sound, set when I want it to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting 
to the on setting, have the clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the 
way and not running in my command tab order, and just be done with it.


Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?

Chris.
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Re: Installing Jaws in Windows 7 in a virtual machine 7 hours no luck

2013-06-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I am not sure,.
On 28 Jun 2013, at 23:01, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

 Hi there. Would a Jaws 13 work with a Jaws 14 license? I know that the 
 licensing scheme of Jfw is very strange and picky and stuff so i wonder if 
 that's the case here.
 /Krister
 
 28 jun 2013 kl. 23:04 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com:
 
 I had this problem once and I found out that it was a bug in Jaws 14.  You 
 could put Jaws 13 on there and see if it came up with the same error.  If it 
 does, try jaws 12 as that should be OK.
 On 28 Jun 2013, at 16:31, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I'm writing to the list in a desperate attempt to get things solved before 
 having to resort to authorities here in Sweden who are most likely on 
 holiday or vacation until God knows when.
 I am trying to install Jaws 14 under a virtual machine in Vmware Fusion 5 
 and everythhing seems to go quite smoothly but upon restarting Jaws after 
 installation i keep getting an error message which i now very roughly will 
 translate since it's in swedish: Freedom Scientific mirror driver not 
 installed correctly. Restart your computer if you haven't done so already 
 if that doesn't solve the problem try reparing the installation to install 
 the broken driver. Run the installation package with the command line 
 switch /typerepair. Only problem is i have repaired and repaired, i have 
 even uninstalled and reinstalled and i keep getting this same error 
 message. What obvious thing am i missing? What am i doing wrong? Vmware 
 tools is uninstalled as far as i know, the anti virus program i use is 
 disengaged, so what am i doing wrong?
 Any and all help would be much appreciated as i need this setup urgently. I 
 could use another screen reader and would gladly do so if it could do what 
 i have in mind which it can't 
 Thanks for any and all help.
 /Krister
 
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Re: Mac FTP Client?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland

I'd highly recommend one called Transmit.

Chris.

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Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Mac FTP Client?



Are there any V-O accessible ftp clients for Mac? Thanks.

Shane

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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the odd 
time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
 the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
 least!
 
 What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
 Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?
 
 
 Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want to 
 mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 5 
 I just say Siri set the alarm for whatever it is
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am now 
 seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I don't 
 really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set multiple 
 alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't need a 
 snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my ITunes 
 library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can choose 
 between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I already have 
 a count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. What I need 
 specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the line alarm 
 clock.  Just something real down and dirty that will get the job done.  No, 
 Terminal users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my crontab.  I'm 
 sorry but that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to do it, 
 really... for something this easy... why?  I just want to set the sound, set 
 when I want it to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting to the on 
 setting, have the clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the way and not 
 running in my command tab order, and just be done with it.
 
 Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?
 
 Chris.
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Re: Blind square wasRe: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I don't like Blind Square but am using it whilst waiting for the new Sendero 
App.  Blind Square keeps going to sleep if you stand still and it won't wake up 
unless your open the phone after it's been locked.  I keep it locked to 
preserve battery.  I just wish it would wake up automatically once you started 
walking or moving again.

Kawal.
On 29 Jun 2013, at 00:37, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:

 I also would like this info!
 I have the same thing!
 Colin
 
 On 29 Jun 2013, at 00:32, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there 
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as features. 
 There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee, just to 
 name one, that I love. 
 
 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway. 
 Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem 
 that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and press 
 double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open the 
 program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is 
 because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not 
 there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my 
 house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is 
 better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing that 
 I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello you all!
 
 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the 
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
 
 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting with 
 end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit by 
 bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional development 
 style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving your ideas 
 what you would like to see in future versions.
 
 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi guys 
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed that 
 I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and that 
 I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never dreamed 
 of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my refrigerator or a 
 can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When people talked about 
 the camera, I remember thinking Well, who cares! I remember Johnathan you 
 doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for Freedom Scientific talking 
 about braille displays with an iPhone and I was sitting there thinking 
 about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille display hooked up to a 
 phone of all things. I remember saying to myself: Why would anybody want 
 music, email, etc. on a phone of all things? Of course, guess what I have 
 on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't get it what things I 
 could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a phone instead of a 
 little bitty computer with the ability to make phone calls. I have a blind 
 friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually, but she doesn't get 
 yet either. She keeps saying to me: Well, I can do all that right now. I 
 guess she won't get it either until she gets one herself. She would love 
 BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a case of finding out you 
 wanted something you didn't know you wanted until you got it. 
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 
 On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 *grin, seriously addicted grin.
 On 2013-06-27, at 2:13 PM, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hello  everyone, 
 
 I have been an apple I Phone  user  Since  October 31, 209. When I first 
 purchased  my very  first I Phone 3. g s.  I had never  texted  anyone 
 that I knew with a smart phone. I didn't  have the proper access  to a 
 smart phone where I could text, send email or instant  messages  let 
 alone  download  music and video content.  Without  having sighted 
 assistancevery. So when I had my brand new I phone inside  of my hands. I 
 was so elated  with joy I did not know what  to do with myself  at first. 
 Now  I cannot ever see myself with out one. Now I  not only have an I 
 phone  4. s. But I have a makdck book  pro and a time capsule along  with 
 an I pad mini and  and finally  I have a Apple TV.  That Is how invested  
 in all things apple that I am at the moment. 
 For the record I will never go back to the Windows  operating system ever 
 again as long as I live. 
 Sincerely,  Chenelle 
 
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Donna,

I haven't got a scanner with an automatic document feeder so I can't test this. 
However, ABBYY FineReader for Mac is an express version so doesn't have all the 
options.

For those of us with simple scanners, the advantage of VueScan is that it's 
much more efficient than FineReader for scanning.

Cheers,

Anne


On 29 Jun 2013, at 14:47, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Anne,
 
 so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
 pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
 continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
 possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
 the Mac as well.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Christina,
 
 It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
 scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple pages 
 with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions between pages 
 whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or press Cmd-n for 
 each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned the final page, 
 and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR can perform the 
 OCR.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
 with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we just 
 use fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Huh.  That's weird.  ABBYY in windows doesn't have that issue.
Donna
On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Anouk Radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Donna, The problem that i personally get when trying to scan with my adf 
 multiple times if using finereader on the mac:
 After a few tries the adf works fine, so it can scan continuously, but when 
 you have inserted the next load in the pdf and hit scan in finereader you 
 will again have to set the settings in the driver before you can start 
 scanning again, so you have to tell the driver that you want to use the adf 
 for input etc.
 I am not sure if this is where Anne is referring to as well but i for my part 
 will try vuescan tosee if that will make it a bit less complicated.
 Testing the different aproaches is key here i guess and see what works the 
 quickest.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
 
 so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
 pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
 continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
 possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
 the Mac as well.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Christina,
 
 It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
 scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple 
 pages with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions 
 between pages whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or 
 press Cmd-n for each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned 
 the final page, and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR 
 can perform the OCR.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
 with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we 
 just use fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
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Re: why is vuescan necessary to use with Abby fine reader

2013-06-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Interesting.  thanks, Anne.  It's too bad, I would go crazy if I didn't have an 
ADF, I don't think I want to buy two separate apps, though. so will have to 
keep thinking about this.
Best,
Donna
On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Donna,
 
 I haven't got a scanner with an automatic document feeder so I can't test 
 this. However, ABBYY FineReader for Mac is an express version so doesn't have 
 all the options.
 
 For those of us with simple scanners, the advantage of VueScan is that it's 
 much more efficient than FineReader for scanning.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 29 Jun 2013, at 14:47, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
 
 so I have a scanner with an automatic document feeder that holds approx 50 
 pages.  Is it not possible to start a scan in ABBYY and just have it scan 
 continuously as long as there is paper in the document feeder?  It is 
 possible to do this in Windows, so it seems like it ought to be possible on 
 the Mac as well.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Christina,
 
 It isn't actually necessary to use VueScan with FineReader, but it makes 
 scanning multiple pages much easier and quicker. You can scan multiple 
 pages with ABBYY FineReader, but you have to perform several actions 
 between pages whereas with VueScan, you can either set it to autorepeat or 
 press Cmd-n for each scan, then Cmd-g to tell VueScan that you've scanned 
 the final page, and it will close the file and open FineReader so that FR 
 can perform the OCR.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 29 Jun 2013, at 03:24, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why do folks suggest that we buy both? What are the benefits to scanning 
 with vuescan and then using Abby fine reader for the OCR? Why can't we 
 just use fine reader for the scanning as well?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
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num pad commander

2013-06-29 Thread Cait and Maggie
Is there a list someplace of the commands you can use with the num pad 
commander, or do you have to configure all of them?  I'd like to get to know 
how to use this more fully.
Thanks for any help.
Caitlyn

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Re: num pad commander

2013-06-29 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi!
Open VO+f8 then select Command+8 to take you to commanders!
Then select the Numpad tab and when you arrow across to the table you can 
interact and you get a list of all commands without a modifier key!
Then stop interacting and arrow left and there is a popup menu to select each 
modifier key pick one and go back to the table to see what commands can be done 
with that one!
This also means you can see which commands can have a function added to them!
hth Colin

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 Is there a list someplace of the commands you can use with the num pad 
 commander, or do you have to configure all of them?  I'd like to get to know 
 how to use this more fully.
 Thanks for any help.
 Caitlyn
 
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Need recommendation for Video Conferencing Webcam for mac mini ML. Tim? any body?

2013-06-29 Thread CHUCK REICHEL
Hi List,
What Video Conferencing Webcam works well with ML and my mac mini?
Skype?
Face time?
I'd like to get one that mounts on my flat screen for convenience.
TIA



CHUCK REICHEL
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www.SoundPictureRecording.com
954-742-0019
GUFFAWING :)
In GOD I Trust

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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Do you know roughly how much it costs or if it's in the app store?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: erik burggraaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


  Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the odd 
time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.


  Best,


  Erik Burggraaf
  Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
  Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
  or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com


  On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the least!

What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want 
to mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 
5 I just say Siri set the alarm for whatever it is
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


  I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am 
now seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't need 
a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my ITunes 
library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can choose 
between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I already have a 
count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. What I need 
specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the line alarm clock.  
Just something real down and dirty that will get the job done.  No, Terminal 
users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my crontab.  I'm sorry but 
that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to do it, really... for 
something this easy... why?  I just want to set the sound, set when I want it 
to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting to the on setting, have the 
clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the way and not running in my command 
tab order, and just be done with it.

  Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?

  Chris.
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Re: Ibooks Coming to the Mac

2013-06-29 Thread Maria Joe Chapman
HI I totally love to read and apple has a fairly good selection.  It will be 
nice to read ibooks on either my phone or mac and have the 2 sinc.  


Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
Mahatma Gandhi

On 28/06/2013, at 3:36 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all,
 
 After going through all the announcements about the IOS and OS I was kind of 
 curious why the blind community is so excited about Ibooks coming to the mac. 
 I never use Ibooks on the iPhone, and am curious, do people use it for more 
 than just reading books. Am I missing something here? I am more of a podcasts 
 and news reader than book reader, so maybe that is why I didn't get all of 
 the excitement. Would love to hear what I might be missing out on here. 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Need recommendation for Video Conferencing Webcam for mac mini ML. Tim? any body?

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
Your messages are coming through, there's no need to keep sending the same one. 
I know you have not gotten an answer, but that is simply a sign that no one who 
has read your message knows the answer. Google will be your best bet here, as 
cameras have nothing to do with Voiceover or accessibility.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:12 AM, CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi List,
 What Video Conferencing Webcam works well with ML and my mac mini?
 Skype?
 Face time?
 I'd like to get one that mounts on my flat screen for convenience.
 TIA
 
 
 
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 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
 954-742-0019
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Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site

2013-06-29 Thread Phil Halton
I knew you'd take it personally Chris. Sometimes people just get sarcastic and 
you can't let it get to you so much. If you re-read my message, you'll perhaps 
see that there wasn't anything in there that should get a person so upset. I 
mean really, all I did is answer your question factually, then refer to myself 
as a gracious bugger, and ask the question, is it okay to mention the Windows 
operating system here? that wasn't a slam on you. It wasn't even directed at 
you personally, but was more a comment on fanaticism about mentioning Windows 
on Mac Lists. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of having to pussy foot 
around you. Try just ignoring things that seem like personal attacks. 99 times 
out of 100 , they aren't, and its just something bugging you that makes them 
seem like they are.

In fact, you could start by ignoring any perceived insult or personal attack 
you see in this message, because there isn't any. 

In case you want to flame me for speaking my mind, I'll let you know that I'm 
just going to hit the delete key when I see this message again, so it'll just 
be a waste of your time.

  Try to forget me and have a nice day.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:49 PM
  Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


  Well, excuse me.  As I initially said, and meant when I did… I wasn't trying 
to be rude, and the fact that you took it such way wasn't intended.  I only was 
asking how it related.  It wasn't meant as a derogatory comment.  Calm down!  I 
simply just didn't see the initial part of the thread, and was asking out of 
curiosity.  give me a break for goodness sake!


  Chris.


  On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:


someone asked for NVDA tutorials, I assume for use in their Fusion install 
of Windows. And, gracious bugger that I am, I complied.

Is it okay to speak the name of that other OS on this list? I know it isn't 
on the other MAC list - just the mention of it will get you a stern rebuke. 
That's probably why I don't bother with them anymore.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:56 PM
  Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


  Uh?  What's this gotta do with the Mac?  Not meaning to be rude, just 
curious.  Did I miss something?

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Phil Halton 
To: Macvisionaries 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


Here's a link to a website that has some very good tutorial podcasts on 
NVDA. Don't forget to read the extensive and well-written help file that comes 
with NVDA as well.

http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/


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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Nicholas Parsons
I use Sleepy Time (can't remember if it's one word or two). It's available from 
the Mac App Store. I use it to wake me up with a playlist from iTunes, but it 
has lots of built-in sounds and playlists as well. You can also choose for it 
to wake you up with a custom message from any one of Apple's built-in text to 
speech voices. It offers the ability to schedule alarms, but does not have 
multiple alarms. It does have a snooze function. It does not, so far as I'm 
aware, let you assign it to the extras menu. This is no biggie for me though as 
I only use this when II'm going to sleep so I don't mind running the app. If I 
need an alarm while I'm awake I just use Reminders.
Cheers,
Nic

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Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Sir?  That is no? problem!

I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, you're 
being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister Congeniality whom 
I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add the 
mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and you 
know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is right, 
everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I took what you said personally 
in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.

All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though you 
clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a 
despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants to 
say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even think! 
about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna learn, in 
a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non CLG 
Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you treat me 
this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying what I am 
is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a macintosh 
Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list specifically for 
that,


nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com

and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was nice 
about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's tired of my 
pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who the hell cares! 
 You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, but if you sit here 
and trample me for one honest to goodness question, don't expect anything in 
return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, no, but just as you have 
the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's exactly what you've forced my 
hand to do.  You all will learn very quickly, I can be the best friend, and 
most patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but you piss me off?  
wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!

Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  People 
like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you guys are 
not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not only do I not 
wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to it, case closed!  I 
am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about writing me on or off 
list about it, as if I see one e-mail from this thread, it's getting deleted 
and not even opened.

If you wanna write me off list to express your support in my stance, go for it, 
but I'm telling you now, you put the word n v d A in your subject, don't then 
expect me to read the mail.  And, if you try faking me by an off the wall 
subject, believe me though I may open the mail unknowingly, as soon as I see 
your disguise, you'll be deleted, and forever e-mail blocked, so don't? try it! 
 I'm warnhing you now!  If you immature children! want my help, then straighten 
the hell up!  God damn! why didn't some of you get pops on the butt with a belt 
when you were young.  Would a probably done you some good!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Halton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:30 PM
  Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site


  I knew you'd take it personally Chris. Sometimes people just get sarcastic 
and you can't let it get to you so much. If you re-read my message, you'll 
perhaps see that there wasn't anything in there that should get a person so 
upset. I mean really, all I did is answer your question factually, then refer 
to myself as a gracious bugger, and ask the question, is it okay to mention 
the Windows operating system here? that wasn't a slam on you. It wasn't even 
directed at you personally, but was more a comment on fanaticism about 
mentioning Windows on Mac Lists. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of having 
to pussy foot around you. Try just ignoring things that seem like personal 
attacks. 99 times out of 100 , they aren't, and its just something bugging you 
that makes them seem like they are.

  In fact, you could start by ignoring any perceived insult or personal attack 
you see in this message, because there isn't any. 

  In case you want to flame me for speaking my mind, I'll let you know that I'm 
just going to hit the delete key when I see this message again, so it'll just 
be a waste of your time.

Try to forget me and have a nice day.

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Gilland 

Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland

Nic,

Thanks for the help.  Really do appreciate it.  I'll have a look and see if 
I can find the app through Google.  It sounds quite down my alley.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


I use Sleepy Time (can't remember if it's one word or two). It's available 
from the Mac App Store. I use it to wake me up with a playlist from iTunes, 
but it has lots of built-in sounds and playlists as well. You can also 
choose for it to wake you up with a custom message from any one of Apple's 
built-in text to speech voices. It offers the ability to schedule alarms, 
but does not have multiple alarms. It does have a snooze function. It does 
not, so far as I'm aware, let you assign it to the extras menu. This is no 
biggie for me though as I only use this when II'm going to sleep so I don't 
mind running the app. If I need an alarm while I'm awake I just use 
Reminders.

Cheers,
Nic

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Re: i phone users.

2013-06-29 Thread Ilkka Pirttimaa
Hello Eugenia!

I have not able to reproduce this. To understand it better, can you explain
in which phase it works differently for you? I describe my steps here:

1) Press Home to close BlindSquare
2) Double tap home to open App Switcher
3) Select BlindSquare
4) Double tap and hold until you hear Editing apps
5) Double tap
6) Press Home to close App Switcher

That will close BlindSquare.


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi again
 As far as I remember, that is right that it's not just BlindSquare that I
 couldn't stop. However, for some weird reason, and it may be an iOS  thing
 like you  say, I have never had this happen when exiting any other program.
 I have Navigon On my iPhone also, and it has never done this with the app
 switcher.  However  it wants not to stop  either. So, like you say, it is
 probably something you can't do anything about.


 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no
 control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other
 app either?


 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway.
 However, I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program
 after I go in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had
 the same problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice
 over you have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to
 take them off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go
 into the editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to
 touch. If I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird,
 and I have never seen this happen before.

 However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone
 since I have a for S iPhone.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello!

 This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
 just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
 it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
 anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
 battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
 device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.

 You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you
 want to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help
 you how to do it with voiceover.
 There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
 http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking



 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi there
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
 just to name one, that I love.

 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list
 anyway. Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird
 problem that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher,
 and press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to
 open the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close
 it is because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm
 not there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance,
 my house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way,
 is better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello you all!

 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.

 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
 with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
 by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
 development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
 your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.

 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev




 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who 

Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread erik burggraaf
Naw, I've been using it since the leopard days.  There was no app store back 
then.  It didn't cost anything though, I can probably send it to you off list 
if you still need it.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-06-29, at 11:22 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you know roughly how much it costs or if it's in the app store?
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: erik burggraaf
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:32 AM
 Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?
 
 Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the odd 
 time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
 ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge fan of 
 the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
 least!
 
 What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
 Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?
 
 
 Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't want to 
 mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My iPhone 
 5 I just say Siri set the alarm for whatever it is
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I am now 
 seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
 don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
 multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't 
 need a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my 
 ITunes library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can 
 choose between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I 
 already have a count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. 
 What I need specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the 
 line alarm clock.  Just something real down and dirty that will get the job 
 done.  No, Terminal users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my 
 crontab.  I'm sorry but that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to 
 do it, really... for something this easy... why?  I just want to set the 
 sound, set when I want it to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting 
 to the on setting, have the clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the 
 way and not running in my command tab order, and just be done with it.
 
 Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?
 
 Chris.
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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
Actually are you referring to Wake Up Time Alarm Clock?  I found it in the app 
store if so, and it is perfect from what I can tell.

It kind of confused me a little at first as everything was dimmed out.  I 
didn't realize there was an option in the clock menu of the menu bar that says 
flip drawer.  You hit that, or just do command+D, either way, and then things 
undim and you can set them.

Dono if that is the app you're referring to, but it works great if so.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: erik burggraaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


  Naw, I've been using it since the leopard days.  There was no app store back 
then.  It didn't cost anything though, I can probably send it to you off list 
if you still need it.


  Best,


  Erik Burggraaf
  Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
  Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
  or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com


  On 2013-06-29, at 11:22 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Do you know roughly how much it costs or if it's in the app store?

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: erik burggraaf
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


  Hi,  I just use wake up.  It's as bare as bare bones can be, but for the 
odd time when I need my computer to wake me up it does the job.


  Best,


  Erik Burggraaf
  Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through 
the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
  Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
  or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com


  On 2013-06-29, at 9:24 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Gigi, I totally understand that, and that's great.  I also am a huge 
fan of the alarm clock on the IPhone, so I'm not arguing your fact there in the 
least!

What I however was talking about was for the Mac, not for I O S.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?


Yes. These days I use the iPhone for my alarm clock whenever I don't 
want to mess with the one I've got. Which by the way is most of the time. My 
iPhone 5 I just say Siri set the alarm for whatever it is
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  I have found many alarm clocks for IOS that work quite well.  What I 
am now seeking is a good alarm clock for the Mac that I can run under OSX.  I 
don't really need anything fancy at all.  I don't need to be able to set 
multiple alarms, although that would be nice to have as a bonus.  I don't need 
a snooze function, nor any ability to play a particular file from my ITunes 
library.  I just need something with a few built in sounds I can choose 
between.  I don't need to necessarily set recurring alarms.  I already have a 
count down timer, so please don't steer me down that path. What I need 
specifically is just a very very most low end bottom of the line alarm clock.  
Just something real down and dirty that will get the job done.  No, Terminal 
users... I'm not gonna do this as a cron job in my crontab.  I'm sorry but 
that's a pain in my butt, and though I know how to do it, really... for 
something this easy... why?  I just want to set the sound, set when I want it 
to go off, toggle the alarm from the off setting to the on setting, have the 
clock go in my menu extras so it's out of the way and not running in my command 
tab order, and just be done with it.

  Does such an app exist that would be Voiceover friendly, obviously?

  Chris.
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trouble joining this group

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
Someone emailed me asking about joining this group. When he tries, he is simply 
rejected - no mod notice that he is pending, no nothing. In case the mod(s) of 
this list are out there, here is his name and email address. I have no 
connection to him at all, he just emailed me out of the blue and I said I'd 
help out as best I could. So, if you are a mod or can contact same, please be 
advised that this person is trying to join but cannot:

apoorv.kulka...@bookstalk.in Kulkarni apoorv.kulka...@bookstalk.in


Have a great day,
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Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site

2013-06-29 Thread CJ Daniel
Hello to anyone reading this crud,

Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His subject 
lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with momentary, 
hiccup, problems with his Mac /or OSX  its various applications.  Words like, 
strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy,  other off-the-top descriptions 
reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very least.

And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot Camp 
or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely off-the-chart 
rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a medical history, I 
suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up his anti depressant 
dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator on this list step in  
say enough!  

I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation  filter him out of my mail 
box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that he's 
not acting professionally in this matter  he's sure got that right.  While, as 
he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in this 
environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.

Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this  consider action 
regarding Chris.  It's not the first time  it won't be the last.  Chris is the 
one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.

Sincerely,

CJ 
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sir?  That is no? problem!
  
 I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
 every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, you're 
 being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister Congeniality whom 
 I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add the 
 mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and 
 you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is 
 right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I took what you said 
 personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.
  
 All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
 said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
 you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a  
 despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
 haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
 dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants 
 to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even 
 think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna 
 learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non 
 CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you 
 treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying 
 what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a 
 macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list 
 specifically for that,
 
  
 nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
  
 and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was 
 nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's tired 
 of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who the 
 hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, but 
 if you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, don't 
 expect anything in return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, no, 
 but just as you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's exactly 
 what you've forced my hand to do.  You all will learn very quickly, I can be 
 the best friend, and most patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but 
 you piss me off?  wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!
  
 Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  
 People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you 
 guys are not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not 
 only do I not wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to it, 
 case closed!  I am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about 
 writing me on or off list about it, as if I see one e-mail from this thread, 
 it's getting deleted and not even opened.
  
 If you wanna write me off list to express your support in my stance, go for 
 it, but I'm telling you now, you put the word n v d A in your subject, don't 
 then expect me to read the mail.  And, if you try faking me by an off the 
 wall subject, believe me though I may open the mail unknowingly, as soon as I 
 see your disguise, you'll be deleted, and forever 

regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where 
someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found 
him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products 
discussed on this list.

Shane'

On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello to anyone reading this crud,
 
 Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His 
 subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with 
 momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac /or OSX  its various applications. 
  Words like, strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy,  other off-the-top 
 descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very 
 least.
 
 And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot 
 Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely 
 off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a 
 medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up 
 his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator 
 on this list step in  say enough!  
 
 I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation  filter him out of my mail 
 box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
 must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
 However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that 
 he's not acting professionally in this matter  he's sure got that right.  
 While, as he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in 
 this environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.
 
 Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this  consider action 
 regarding Chris.  It's not the first time  it won't be the last.  Chris is 
 the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 CJ 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sir?  That is no? problem!
  
 I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
 every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, 
 you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister 
 Congeniality whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times 
 before, may I add the mods taking my side every single time, your perfect 
 because you're god, and you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! 
 No one else ever! is right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I 
 took what you said personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you 
 were down right rude.
  
 All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
 said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
 you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a
 despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
 haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
 dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants 
 to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even 
 think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna 
 learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non 
 CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you 
 treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying 
 what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a 
 macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list 
 specifically for that,
 
  
 nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
  
 and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was 
 nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's 
 tired of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who 
 the hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, 
 but if you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, 
 don't expect anything in return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, 
 no, but just as you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's 
 exactly what you've forced my hand to do.  You all will learn very quickly, 
 I can be the best friend, and most patient compassionate man you'll probably 
 know, but you piss me off?  wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!
  
 Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  
 People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you 
 guys are not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not 
 only do I not wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to 
 it, case closed!  I am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about 
 writing me on or off list about it, as if I see one e-mail from this thread, 
 it's getting deleted and not even opened.
  
 

Re: regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread CJ Daniel
Did you read his last post?  The med thing was a joke, sort of…meaning maybe 
it's not a bad idea. 


Anyway, maybe our standards are very different,

CJ


On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:02 PM, shane christenson ksha...@att.net wrote:

 I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where 
 someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found 
 him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products 
 discussed on this list.
 
 Shane'
 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello to anyone reading this crud,
 
 Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His 
 subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with 
 momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac /or OSX  its various 
 applications.  Words like, strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy,  
 other off-the-top descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems 
 unstable @ the very least.
 
 And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot 
 Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely 
 off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a 
 medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris 
 up his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the 
 moderator on this list step in  say enough!  
 
 I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation  filter him out of my mail 
 box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
 must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
 However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that 
 he's not acting professionally in this matter  he's sure got that right.  
 While, as he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in 
 this environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.
 
 Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this  consider action 
 regarding Chris.  It's not the first time  it won't be the last.  Chris is 
 the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 CJ 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sir?  That is no? problem!
  
 I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
 every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, 
 you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister 
 Congeniality whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times 
 before, may I add the mods taking my side every single time, your perfect 
 because you're god, and you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize 
 one! No one else ever! is right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn 
 straight I took what you said personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't 
 I when you were down right rude.
  
 All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
 said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
 you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a
 despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
 haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
 dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants 
 to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even 
 think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna 
 learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is 
 non CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when 
 you treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me 
 saying what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This 
 list is a macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is 
 another list specifically for that,
 
  
 nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
  
 and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was 
 nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's 
 tired of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who 
 the hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, 
 but if you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, 
 don't expect anything in return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, 
 Phil, no, but just as you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and 
 that's exactly what you've forced my hand to do.  You all will learn very 
 quickly, I can be the best friend, and most patient compassionate man 
 you'll probably know, but you piss me off?  wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna 
 know it!
  
 Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  
 People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you 
 guys are not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not 
 only do I not wanna hear it, but frankly, 

Re: regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread Chris Gilland
It's ok Shane.  You don't have to defend me.

I'm going to give it a night to let things cool down before doing something 
rash that I'll later possibly regret, especially being how difficult I hear it 
now is to get on the list, but most likely, unless my decision changes 
tomorrow, I'll probably be off the list.  That last e-mail has me practically 
sobbing in uncontrolable tears.

You all don't have to worry though.  I won't help any longer.  I'm completely 
finished.  I know I've said this before, but between CJ and Phil, I'm sorry, 
that's put me over the top.  I've been patient long enough with you guys.

Oh, and by the way, before anyone asks me.  Yes, I'll finish the ProTools stuff 
on Applevis.  I made you all that promise, and I don't break promises, case 
closed.  So though I really don't feel like doing so, that, I'll finish for you 
all, but after that, I'm done!

Please do not anyone contact me for Macintosh help again unless you're prepared 
to pay my business hourly rate which is $15 an hour, or my flat rate unlimited 
monthly fee which is $25.00.

- Original Message - 
  From: shane christenson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:02 PM
  Subject: regarding a list member


  I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where 
someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found 
him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products 
discussed on this list.


  Shane'


  On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello to anyone reading this crud,


Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His 
subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with 
momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac /or OSX  its various applications.  
Words like, strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy,  other off-the-top 
descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very least.


And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot 
Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely 
off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a 
medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up 
his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator on 
this list step in  say enough!  


I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation  filter him out of my mail 
box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that he's 
not acting professionally in this matter  he's sure got that right.  While, as 
he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in this 
environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.


Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this  consider 
action regarding Chris.  It's not the first time  it won't be the last.  Chris 
is the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.


Sincerely,


CJ 

On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


  Sir?  That is no? problem!

  I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to 
block every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, 
you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister Congeniality 
whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add 
the mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and 
you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is 
right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I took what you said 
personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.

  All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what 
you said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a 
  despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants to 
say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even think! 
about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna learn, in 
a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non CLG 
Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you treat me 
this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying what I am 
is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a macintosh 
Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list specifically for 
that,


  nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com

  

dropbox

2013-06-29 Thread jean parker
Hello:
Ok I have the document referred to but the instructions are quite old.  It says 
to go in the context menu and select view package contents.  When I do vo shift 
m for the context menu but there is nothing there about viewing contents.  I 
opened dropbox directly but it went director to the installer so I closed it as 
the document said the accessible installer file was located somewhere else 
within the program.
Other suggestions?  
Jean
 

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Installing 1Password on a Mac Book Pro

2013-06-29 Thread Paul Hunt
Hello everyone. I'm trying to install 1Password on my MacBook Pro. When I
run the application I get an error message telling me that the 1Password
agent failed to start because /users/login/library/launchagents is not
writeable. First of all, I can't see that folder in Finder. When I go into
Terminal Mode and attempt to chmod 666 to give read write to the folder the
system doesn't let me do this. I've already verified and repaired
permissions. No luck. If any of you have solved this problem, I would
appreciate your help.

 

Thanks so much.

 

Paul

 

 

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Does Anyone Know How To Get Voiceover To Read Continuously Without Pauses

2013-06-29 Thread BBS
Hi all. Subject says it all. I want to know if there's a way to make Voiceover 
to read all continuously without pauses like Windows screen readers do. What I 
mean is, in some threads by people, Voiceover would read a line, then pause, 
then read the next line and that is annoying sometimes.

Shawn
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Re: Does Anyone Know How To Get Voiceover To Read Continuously Without Pauses

2013-06-29 Thread shane christenson
I think it's VO A, but I could be mistaken. That's what I do, anyway. HTH.

Shane

On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:14 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all. Subject says it all. I want to know if there's a way to make 
 Voiceover to read all continuously without pauses like Windows screen readers 
 do. What I mean is, in some threads by people, Voiceover would read a line, 
 then pause, then read the next line and that is annoying sometimes.
 
 Shawn
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Re: Does Anyone Know How To Get Voiceover To Read Continuously Without Pauses

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
VO-a will indeed read all. What the OP described, though, sounds more like 
pauses inserted by the speech synthesizer in use. In a hypothetical world in 
which every synthesizer worked on every platform, using the same synthesizer on 
the Mac as the OP does on Windows would, I imagine, yield Windows-like results. 
My point is that any pauses in speech, handling of punctuation, and so on are 
usually decided by the voice in use, not the operating system or screen reader.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:19 PM, shane christenson ksha...@att.net wrote:

 I think it's VO A, but I could be mistaken. That's what I do, anyway. HTH.
 
 Shane
 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:14 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. Subject says it all. I want to know if there's a way to make 
 Voiceover to read all continuously without pauses like Windows screen 
 readers do. What I mean is, in some threads by people, Voiceover would read 
 a line, then pause, then read the next line and that is annoying sometimes.
 
 Shawn
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my apolopies

2013-06-29 Thread Phil Halton
It seems the request for information on NVDA tutorials came from another list, 
not from this MAC oriented list. I mistakenly posted the link to the NVDA 
podcasts here in error. 

I honestly did not intend for this discussion to spiral so far out of control, 
or cause so much consternation  as it clearly has done. So much hurt and anger 
over a simple posting error - it just isn't worth it. I hope this can all go 
away with as little damage as possible.


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Re: MBraille podcast

2013-06-29 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi Chris,
I'd be interested in a podcast on this app. I'm finding the app less than 
wonderful so please convince me otherwise. I simply can't get the table lay out 
to be reliable, and generally don't get on very well with this app. The 
contracted braille is wonderful, no doubt about it. 

Please convince me I'm wrong about my negative views on this , as I want to be 
enthusiastic about it.

Lisette

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 Good morning all.
 Simple question, who would like me to do a podcast on this fantastic app? 
 Plan to do it in a few weeks.
 Comments welcome.
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Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Jessica Moss
I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been trying 
to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same with 
echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea what to 
do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo duct, all 
the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no idea what those 
are, so would love to get some help getting up and running as far as what the 
effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, speed, tempo, wawa, 
etc.

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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, and 
there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, changing 
tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to google 
'audacity keyboard reference to find the part of the manual that lists all the 
possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some (often, use command 
in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac even if they are written 
for windows. Finally, don't forget that some functions can be accessed by right 
clicking tracks in the table, and other functions, like how far arrows move, 
can be configured in the app's preferences.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
 moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been trying 
 to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
 incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same with 
 echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea what 
 to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo duct, 
 all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no idea what 
 those are, so would love to get some help getting up and running as far as 
 what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, speed, 
 tempo, wawa, etc.
 
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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Jessica Moss
Well, I found the change tempo function function, I just can't get the thing to 
work, there are about 3 or 4 I think, sets of numbers that you can change, and 
I don't know what to do what with, so have no idea what to do there.  I'm so 
used to the one Windows media player used to have that you could change on the 
fly, that I have no idea what to do with this, so could use some help here.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, and 
 there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, 
 changing tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to 
 google 'audacity keyboard reference to find the part of the manual that 
 lists all the possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some 
 (often, use command in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac 
 even if they are written for windows. Finally, don't forget that some 
 functions can be accessed by right clicking tracks in the table, and other 
 functions, like how far arrows move, can be configured in the app's 
 preferences.
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
 moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been 
 trying to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
 incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same 
 with echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea 
 what to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo 
 duct, all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no 
 idea what those are, so would love to get some help getting up and running 
 as far as what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, 
 speed, tempo, wawa, etc.
 
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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Jessica Moss
Also, when it comes to recording, I want to record my voice for example, and 
attempt to alter that, sense I was told Audacity can do that, but can't figure 
out how to do that, can I please get some help in that area?
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, and 
 there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, 
 changing tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to 
 google 'audacity keyboard reference to find the part of the manual that 
 lists all the possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some 
 (often, use command in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac 
 even if they are written for windows. Finally, don't forget that some 
 functions can be accessed by right clicking tracks in the table, and other 
 functions, like how far arrows move, can be configured in the app's 
 preferences.
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
 moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been 
 trying to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change the 
 incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and same 
 with echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have no idea 
 what to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects like Audo 
 duct, all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I have no 
 idea what those are, so would love to get some help getting up and running 
 as far as what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, change pitch, 
 speed, tempo, wawa, etc.
 
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Re: Anyone know of a good alarm clock?

2013-06-29 Thread Nicholas Parsons
HI Chris,
Happy to help. Sounds like you've found a solution already, But just for 
completeness it's SleepyTime (one word) in the Mac App Store. I'd paste the 
link here but it's not working for some reason.

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Re: dropbox

2013-06-29 Thread Nicholas Parsons
I'm guessing those instructions are out of date. Just install it as normal. I 
did, and it works fine.

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Re: Audacity help.

2013-06-29 Thread Alex Hall
First, open preferences (cmd-comma, as usual). I don't remember where, but in 
one of the preference areas is a setting about applying an effect to the full 
track if no audio is selected. If this is off, you can either turn it on, or 
remember to press cmd-a before applying an effect if you want to have the 
entire track change.

To record, just hit r. To stop, press space, and to pause or resume, press p. 
Once you finish that, a new track is created which you can modify as much as 
you want.

I strongly recommend just reading through the manual. It has a lot of 
references to doing things with the mouse, but most mouse actions have keyboard 
equivalents (hence that list I suggested you look up) so ignore the 
instructions on how to do things and just pay attention to how Audacity works. 
It took me a while, but I managed to learn how to manipulate audio pretty well. 
Also, there is an audacity users list you may wish to join. I don't have the 
address handy, but I found it with Google when I looked it up a while back so 
it is easy to get.
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also, when it comes to recording, I want to record my voice for example, and 
 attempt to alter that, sense I was told Audacity can do that, but can't 
 figure out how to do that, can I please get some help in that area?
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
 Those effects are pretty much everything you could want to do with files, 
 and there are plugins all over the internet to do even more. For instance, 
 changing tempo is done with the speed change function. You may also want to 
 google 'audacity keyboard reference to find the part of the manual that 
 lists all the possible keyboard shortcuts. You will have to adjust some 
 (often, use command in place of control) but they pretty much work on mac 
 even if they are written for windows. Finally, don't forget that some 
 functions can be accessed by right clicking tracks in the table, and other 
 functions, like how far arrows move, can be configured in the app's 
 preferences.
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've just started attempting to use this program this morning, but at the 
 moment am having a little trouble with it.  Perfect example, have been 
 trying to change the tempo of a song, but can't figure out how to change 
 the incraments to make it faster/slower, so it just stays the same, and 
 same with echo, so when it comes to that, it sounds really weird, so have 
 no idea what to do with that.  As far as some of the options under effects 
 like Audo duct, all the stuff labeled Apple this and that,, and amplify, I 
 have no idea what those are, so would love to get some help getting up and 
 running as far as what the effect are, aside from some of the obvious, 
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Re: regarding a list member

2013-06-29 Thread Mauricio Almeida
I personally think that CJ is right here.
I rarely post here, but quite frankly i have seen minimally speaking
tem times the following scenario: bounders are stepped, apology comes
once in a while - sometimes ina drama novel format - and the cycle
repeats itself. anyone who looks up list archives will see the cycle.
how you interpret it is up to you, but dont deny it.

Mauricio
On 6/29/13, shane christenson ksha...@att.net wrote:
 I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where
 someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found
 him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products
 discussed on this list.

 Shane'

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello to anyone reading this crud,

 Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His
 subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with
 momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac /or OSX  its various
 applications.  Words like, strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, 
 other off-the-top descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems
 unstable @ the very least.

 And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot
 Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely
 off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a
 medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris
 up his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the
 moderator on this list step in  say enough!

 I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation  filter him out of my
 mail box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his
 posts.  I must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course,
 anyway.  However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states
 himself, that he's not acting professionally in this matter  he's sure
 got that right.  While, as he states in his message that he doesn't have
 to act that way in this environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.

 Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this  consider
 action regarding Chris.  It's not the first time  it won't be the last.
 Chris is the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.

 Sincerely,

 CJ
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Sir?  That is no? problem!

 I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to
 block every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.
 Frankly, you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But,
 Mister Congeniality whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous
 times before, may I add the mods taking my side every single time, your
 perfect because you're god, and you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot
 oh wize one! No one else ever! is right, everyone but you is wrong!  God
 damn straight I took what you said personally in your last reply.  Why
 shouldn't I when you were down right rude.

 All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what
 you said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and
 though you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it
 proves you as a
 despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't
 haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God
 fucking dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this
 list wants to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel,
 don't you even think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on
 this list're gonna learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as
 I am, but this is non CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes
 out the window when you treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator
 or not, who feels me saying what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you
 of something:  This list is a macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA
 list.  There is another list specifically for that,


 nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com

 and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what
 was nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying
 he's tired of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording,
 but who the hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you
 might get it, but if you sit here and trample me for one honest to
 goodness question, don't expect anything in return.  I don't mind you
 speaking your mind, Phil, no, but just as you have the right to speak
 your's, so do I, and that's exactly what you've forced my hand to do.
 You all will learn very quickly, I can be the best friend, and most
 patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but you piss me off?
 wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!

 Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!
 People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but