date:20150703

That's overexaggerating in my opinion. It's probably a glitch in the service,
expected being it's only a few days old. Things will straighten themselves out
soon. I love the service despite its glitches.

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On 3 Jul 2015, at 18:21, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

Thanks for this. I definitely won't be subscribing now!
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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Just a followup to point people to this blog post:
http://www.mcelhearn.com/the-real-difference-between-itunes-match-and-icloud-music-library-drm/

It appears that the transition from iTunes Match to the new Music Library
feature included in Apple Music also causes non-Apple-Music tracks to be
DRM-infected, even those you upload yourself.

Watch out!

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Re: DVS option appears to be gone

2015-07-03 Thread Ray Foret Jr

Funny, not for me.  I assume you are running IOS8.4?


Sincerely,
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Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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 On Jul 3, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am seeing it here. It is under general, accessibility, and then under the 
 media heading.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Anybody else notice that the descriptive video option appears to be missing 
 from IOS8.4?  It used to be there but is so no longer.
 
 Sincerely,
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 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
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Re: DVS option appears to be gone

2015-07-03 Thread Grant

You're probably encountering the bug I posted about yesterday, where VO is 
skipping elements as you swipe around the screen. Try swiping in the other 
direction. Alternatively, try exploring the screen carefully with your finger 
rather than swiping right and left. I bet you'll find the setting.

Grant

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 Funny, not for me.  I assume you are running IOS8.4?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Jul 3, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am seeing it here. It is under general, accessibility, and then under the 
 media heading.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 3, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Anybody else notice that the descriptive video option appears to be missing 
 from IOS8.4?  It used to be there but is so no longer.
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

2015-07-03 Thread Donna Goodin

Thanks for this. I definitely won't be subscribing now!
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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 Just a followup to point people to this blog post:
 http://www.mcelhearn.com/the-real-difference-between-itunes-match-and-icloud-music-library-drm/
 
 It appears that the transition from iTunes Match to the new Music Library 
 feature included in Apple Music also causes non-Apple-Music tracks to be 
 DRM-infected, even those you upload yourself.
 
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Re: Downloading music for offline listening on apple music

2015-07-03 Thread venky . 92

Thanks for the tip Chris. I observed that this works for tracks  in an album
IrRespective of what view you are on. I've tried this for a couple of tracks in 
 playlists suggested for me in mind for you section.
Hope this helps.


Sent from my iPhone

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 wrote:
 
 One thing about I O S.  When you're in the new tab, sitting on a track, 
 instead of double tapping try moving your rotor.  There is an actions 
 setting.  In here, flick down once, and you'll see something that says more.  
 Double tap that, and you'll get that menu you're talking about.
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Venkatesh Potluri
 To: macvisionaries
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:07 AM
 Subject: Downloading music for offline listening on apple music
 
 Hi,
 I was very happy to know that apple music is available at launch and hopped 
 on the minute I downloaded 8.4. So far, I have been very satisfied with the 
 service. However, I am facing a few issues with regards to iCloud music 
 library and downloading songs for offline listening on IOS and iTunes on Os X.
 
 IOS:
 
 
  I have been able to download entire albums and playlists on to my iPhone by 
 tapping the more button after opening the album or playlist. When i try to 
 download individual songs in an album or playlist for offline listening, I am 
 unable to do so. This is also the case when searching the songs from the 
 radio or any other screen in apple music. However, if I go to the new tab, 
 and then double tap and hold on a song, I am given the option to make 
 available offline, along with the other options to add to my music, etc. I am 
 also able to double tap and hold on the songs I search for from the new 
 screen. (No, double tapping on a song from an album or playlist does not 
 bring up any menu and plays the song). How can I add individual songs when I 
 am using an album, playlist or artist?
 What is the difference between add to my music and add to library”? 
 
 
 iTunes on Os X:
 How do I download music for offline listening?
 I am not sure about how to download tracks, albums, artists or playlists for 
 offline listening in iTunes. The only way I am able to do this is by going to 
 the my music option, searching for a song already added to my music via apple 
 music on IOs, interacting with the song and pressing the download button. (I 
 use list view for my music). I am able to download my playlists with some 
 additional songs from apple music by selecting the playlist, interacting with 
 a header by the name of the playlist and pressing the download button.
 How do I know if my iTunes library finished syncing with iCloud music library?
  I haven’t used iTunes match or purchased any music from iTunes so please 
 excuse me for the long email. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 Thank you.
 Regards,
 Venkatesh Potluri
 http://www.venkateshpotluri.me
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

2015-07-03 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

As hard as it is to grasp the attraction of streaming music that gives you 
complete access to a catalog and allows offline listening, I suppose.  This 
isn’t Spotify: there’s a cost to using Apple Music.  So owning a song you 
streamed and liked means you’re paying twice, which most people simply won’t 
do.  Their choice, but it hurts those of us who prefer to put an honest price 
on music and keep the goodies.

This is not a simple problem to solve.  Artists need to get paid, but when 
making it easy for people to listen without paying is the only way some people 
will even hear about music, you’ve just taken away a good proportion of their 
living, and raced a bit closer to the bottom to boot.  DRM provides 
differentiation that is necessary in order to make this possible.  At least 
piracy is honest: you pay nothing while you try it, and put the money down only 
when you really want it.

Having said this, I filtered three tracks I like into my library from Apple 
Music, and when I’m sure I really, really like them—and I think I do—then I’ll 
buy them.  How about that?

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hiding ibooks in ibooks app on the mac

2015-07-03 Thread Anouk Radix

Hi,
I have a fairly large ibooks library with books that i bought in the ibooks 
store. On ios i can filter the selection to only show ones stored on that 
device. I do notice that if i delete a book from my iphone the copy also 
sdisappears from the mac.
But I cant seem to filter on the mac the way i can on ios only showing the 
books that are stored on the mac at that time.
Is this possible somewhere?
I love the fact that the boks are in sync in where you are with reading on 
either device.
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: Apple Music Offline Listening

2015-07-03 Thread venky . 92

Yes! Arrow down and arrow up worked for me. Is there any way to add entire 
albums for off-line listening? For now, I am adding the album to my music, 
sorting my music library by date and downloading each of the tracks separately

Sent from my iPhone

 On 04-Jul-2015, at 12:46 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 It sounds as though you’re in the right view.  Maybe try opening the action 
 menu, then arrow down and back up in case the menu is behaving strangely.
 
 I use the ‘For you’ view as it happens.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 07:04, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh. Should I search for the album from specific view? That is, the new, 
 radio, or for you views? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 11:30 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For me, it’s the top option in the action menu on albums.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 06:40, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks! That makes things a lot easier.
 I'm not sure on how to add complete albums to my music and later download 
 them
 When I search for an album on Apple music, click on it, I go and interact 
 with the header which is named after the album name
 I find  name of the album, the option to play, shuffle, show action menu, 
 the artists in the album, the number of songs, and the option to love it
 I do not find the option to add it to my music.
 Even when I click on show action menu, I just have add to and share as the 
 options
 Add to shows up in the playlists in my library
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 4:45 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi again Chris,
 
 I have just discovered you can shortcut the steps around interacting with 
 the table and selecting the track.  Instead of clicking on the track, 
 there is an unlabelled button above the name, which is a play button.  
 Just hit that, and the LCD section populates.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't even see the option to add it to my ICloud Music 
 library, unless I'm on my mac.
 
 Here's what I'm doing.  Tell me if I'm doing this maybe  incorrectly.
 
 1.  Open ITunes, obviously.
 
 2.  Find the For You radio button under Music and select it.
 
 3.  Hit command+Shift+F to search.
 
 4.  Type in, say, Breakfast at Tiffany's and hit return.
 
 5.  Interact with the HTML content.
 
 6.  Under the top results heading, find Breakfast at Tiffany's clicable, 
 and vo+space on it.
 
 7.  Interact with the scroll area, then find the table and interact.
 
 8.  Find the actual track, Breakfast at Tiffany's.
 
 9.  Vo+Shift+M on it.
 
 10.  I see no option here to either add to playlist, which pisses the 
 holy Hannah hell! outta me, nor do I see anything to add to my ICloud.  
 Is that what the Copy option does?  I thought that was for copying the 
 track somehow to the clipboard to be pasted elseware.  NO?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:31 PM
 Subject: Apple Music Offline Listening
 
 
 There's no option that I can see to download music from Apple Music for 
 offline listening. Anybody have an idea of where it is? I've added the 
 track/album to my library but offline listening only shows on iOS.
 
 Thanks
 -Shaf
 
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Re: Most efficient way to jump to search results in iTunes

First of all, I'm not finding that after hitting return I have to stop 
interacting.  That's exactly how I do it as well, although you could try, 
after hitting return to press vo+J to jump.  I'll betcha that would actually 
probably do it.


Chris.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:49 PM
Subject: Most efficient way to jump to search results in iTunes


Hi,

This is a bit of a basic question, but what’s the quickest way to jump from 
the search field to the search results in iTunes on the Mac?


Currently I type in my search query and press enter, use VO+shift+up arrow 
to stop interacting, use VO+End to jump to the bottom of the screen which 
lands me on the HTML content, and press VO+shift+down arrow to interact.


However, it struck me that there was probably a quicker way.

Thanks,

Ed

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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


Actually,

Let's be very clear here.  I actually love the openness you get with 
Android.  In fact, in some ways, I like it a bit more than Apple.  this 
however said, the way I see it is like this:  Apple is great for some 
things, and Android is good for others.


I actually think it's awesome how Apple did their whole thing with Apple 
Music legistically.  Think about it this way.


You've heard about this new band who is hot on the radio.  They're not 
typically your style, but you're willing to have an open mind.  So, what do 
you do?  You go find them in ITunes, and you stream the album totally for 
free.  You can do it unlimited amount a times, 1 time a day, or 10 thousand! 
times a day.  OK, fine, smart alak, you can't get 1 plays in one day, 
but you get my point.  Point being, you're never! never never ever ever 
obligated or require to buy it.  If you like it enough, and feel it is worth 
it, and you really want to support the artist, and you really want to buy 
the album, then buy it!  What if an album goes out of print before you have 
that chance?  Well, that's justa risk you take.  Most things though don't go 
out of print unless there's a really good reason for it, so that really 
isn't a completely logical excuse.  It kind of is, I'll admit, but not 
really.


I see both sides of this.  I know that people want to own their music, but 
think of it this way.  Technically, you don't own the music anyway.  You 
don't own the copy rights on it, do ya?  So, technically speaking, I know 
this is going on a major stretch, but is it really your's?  No, it's not.


Chris.

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To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


May I kindly therefore suggest you leave the Apple ecosystem and go with a 
system like Android or Windows? When you buy an Apple product, you have to 
agree to their terms and be in their ecosystem. Don't like it? Don't agree 
to their terms, sell or return your Apple products and go for a more open 
platform. Chris, myself and others, even my friend of ten years this 
October, love Apple very much and will always stick by them. Sorry, I just 
can't understand the complaints of such a new service and the ecosystem 
altogether, especially if they themselves are on an Apple list. Just my 
£0.02 worth.



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On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws totally 
for free illegally!  Oh, come on!  It won't hurt to steel from the 
company! Rauight!  Smirk?


Never mind my major! sarcasm.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


+1.
I've tried cracking the DRM with stuff like Sound Taxi with no luck.
They've apparently modified/strengthened the DRM protection which sucks,
but somebody will come up with a workaround soon.
95% of my offline music collection is in FLAC. I cannot comprehend
depending on streaming services to deliver my music. £10 per month is
ridiculous - and I don't own a local, non-protected copy of any of my
tracks while I am subscribed.
Streaming music appeals to many because they think they're getting a
good deal and don't have to torrent stuff all the time. Same thing with
Netflix. If people are happy with that then it's really their choice,
but why wouldn't you want to own a local copy of material? What if the
internet dies, you're capped, you have a slow connection etc?

Finally, if I want to support an artist I'll make an effort to meet them
and find alternative ways of donating to them, rather than purchasing
from a company who takes a 30% cut of the funds. That is just wrong, and
same goes for developers who make incredible apps and are forced to
upload their apps in the app store. Apple don't deserve 30% of a cut.
Not even payment gateways take that much.


-Shaf
On 7/3/2015 2:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
DRM is evil.  Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably 
invented the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it 
still restricts you, all in the name of artificial market 
differentiation. Which is wrong, and evil.


As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll 
never allow my library to become tainted with the content.  It’s just too 
great a risk, for me and I think for others; if streaming becomes popular 
and therefore exclusive, music ownership will be lost forever.  Also, it’s 
fairly well known that streaming and rentals don’t help artists nearly as 
much as purchases, because there’s fierce competition on the

[no subject]

2015-07-03 Thread Jenine Stanley


Jenine Stanley
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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

2015-07-03 Thread Brent Harding

It would be nice if they carried that directory over to iOS. Tunein works 
pretty good over there, but I kept the old version before they put all that 
new social stuff in there.

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on 
the Mac with ITunes

Don't givem any ideas, Chris.  LOL!  I would really really miss that
feature, as honestly, they have some damn! good stations in there!

Chris.

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To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on
the Mac with ITunes

I can confirm this. I thought they would remove it to encourage customers to
use Apple Music radio. So far, they haven't, but it could be a future
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Oh, o, Kayy?  Awesome.  Thank you for that tip.

Chris.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on 
the Mac with ITunes

Hi,
Thanks for this. :)
In your podcast you stated that “Internet Radio is gone.” However, that 
is not true. All you have to do is click the “More” button, and check the 
box to show it.

Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
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clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

This is very very in depth!

I hope you all are able to get something out of this.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

Chris.

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Re: Apple Music Offline Listening

Hi,
It sounds as though you’re in the right view.  Maybe try opening the action 
menu, then arrow down and back up in case the menu is behaving strangely.

I use the ‘For you’ view as it happens.

Cheers,

Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 07:04, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh. Should I search for the album from specific view? That is, the new, 
 radio, or for you views? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 11:30 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For me, it’s the top option in the action menu on albums.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 06:40, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks! That makes things a lot easier.
 I'm not sure on how to add complete albums to my music and later download 
 them
 When I search for an album on Apple music, click on it, I go and interact 
 with the header which is named after the album name
 I find  name of the album, the option to play, shuffle, show action menu, 
 the artists in the album, the number of songs, and the option to love it
 I do not find the option to add it to my music.
 Even when I click on show action menu, I just have add to and share as the 
 options
 Add to shows up in the playlists in my library
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 4:45 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi again Chris,
 
 I have just discovered you can shortcut the steps around interacting with 
 the table and selecting the track.  Instead of clicking on the track, 
 there is an unlabelled button above the name, which is a play button.  
 Just hit that, and the LCD section populates.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't even see the option to add it to my ICloud Music 
 library, unless I'm on my mac.
 
 Here's what I'm doing.  Tell me if I'm doing this maybe  incorrectly.
 
 1.  Open ITunes, obviously.
 
 2.  Find the For You radio button under Music and select it.
 
 3.  Hit command+Shift+F to search.
 
 4.  Type in, say, Breakfast at Tiffany's and hit return.
 
 5.  Interact with the HTML content.
 
 6.  Under the top results heading, find Breakfast at Tiffany's clicable, 
 and vo+space on it.
 
 7.  Interact with the scroll area, then find the table and interact.
 
 8.  Find the actual track, Breakfast at Tiffany's.
 
 9.  Vo+Shift+M on it.
 
 10.  I see no option here to either add to playlist, which pisses the 
 holy Hannah hell! outta me, nor do I see anything to add to my ICloud.  
 Is that what the Copy option does?  I thought that was for copying the 
 track somehow to the clipboard to be pasted elseware.  NO?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:31 PM
 Subject: Apple Music Offline Listening
 
 
 There's no option that I can see to download music from Apple Music for 
 offline listening. Anybody have an idea of where it is? I've added the 
 track/album to my library but offline listening only shows on iOS.
 
 Thanks
 -Shaf
 
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws totally 
for free illegally!  Oh, come on!  It won't hurt to steel from the company! 
Rauight!  Smirk?


Never mind my major! sarcasm.

Chris.

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From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


+1.
I've tried cracking the DRM with stuff like Sound Taxi with no luck.
They've apparently modified/strengthened the DRM protection which sucks,
but somebody will come up with a workaround soon.
95% of my offline music collection is in FLAC. I cannot comprehend
depending on streaming services to deliver my music. £10 per month is
ridiculous - and I don't own a local, non-protected copy of any of my
tracks while I am subscribed.
Streaming music appeals to many because they think they're getting a
good deal and don't have to torrent stuff all the time. Same thing with
Netflix. If people are happy with that then it's really their choice,
but why wouldn't you want to own a local copy of material? What if the
internet dies, you're capped, you have a slow connection etc?

Finally, if I want to support an artist I'll make an effort to meet them
and find alternative ways of donating to them, rather than purchasing
from a company who takes a 30% cut of the funds. That is just wrong, and
same goes for developers who make incredible apps and are forced to
upload their apps in the app store. Apple don't deserve 30% of a cut.
Not even payment gateways take that much.


-Shaf
On 7/3/2015 2:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
DRM is evil.  Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably invented 
the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it still 
restricts you, all in the name of artificial market differentiation. 
Which is wrong, and evil.


As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll never 
allow my library to become tainted with the content.  It’s just too great 
a risk, for me and I think for others; if streaming becomes popular and 
therefore exclusive, music ownership will be lost forever.  Also, it’s 
fairly well known that streaming and rentals don’t help artists nearly as 
much as purchases, because there’s fierce competition on the margins and 
of course the listening tastes of listeners are not nearly as uniform as 
one might hope for the artists.


So, yes, very awesome, but let’s not forget what this is about: you’re 
paying for a closed service that will end when you stop paying for it. 
Online or offline, indistinguishable from the real thing or not, the 
service is either a way for you to stay locked in, or a way for you to 
purchase songs.  And it’s all thanks to DRM.  I’d have hoped for a 
thousand other different models that reconciled reality with market 
desires, perhaps involving lossless formats or automatic purchases of 
offline downloads, but there it is.  Please don’t fall into the trap of 
thinking you own anything you listen to on Apple Music.




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Re: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?

This worked. Yay! Thanks man.
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 On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Chris,
 
 Try something.
 
 Copy that link, but then at the end of it, add:
 
 ?dl=1
 
 See if that works.
 
 Again, the link is:
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3
 
 Chris.
 
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 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 2:51 AM
 Subject: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?
 
 
 Hi all
 Subject just about says it, but Dropbox was used as an example. Any way of 
 downloading links of audio or video from within an email?
 
 
 
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Re: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?

Absolutely groovy!  Just for your knowledge, that little trick will work 
with any! Dropbox mp3 file.  Cool, huh?

Chris.

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Subject: Re: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?

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Chris,

Try something.

Copy that link, but then at the end of it, add:

?dl=1

See if that works.

Again, the link is:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

Chris.

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 2:51 AM
Subject: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?

Hi all
Subject just about says it, but Dropbox was used as an example. Any way 
of downloading links of audio or video from within an email?

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Re: Question about Apple Music/For You on the Mac

Weird.  No, that isn't supposed to happen, as you'll see in my audio 
walkthrough.  I wonder.  Does this persist if you close and reopen ITunes?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:46 PM
Subject: Question about Apple Music/For You on the Mac

Hi,

When I go to the ‘For You’ tab of Apple Music on iOS, I’m presented with a 
list of things that Apple Music presumably thinks that I might want to 
listen to.

However, when I click the equivalent radio button on the Mac, the Apple 
Music HTML content remains empty until I search for something.

Does anyone know if this is supposed to happen, and if not, how I can get 
whatever shows up on iOS to show up on the Mac?

Cheers,

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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

Don't givem any ideas, Chris.  LOL!  I would really really miss that 
feature, as honestly, they have some damn! good stations in there!

Chris.

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To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on 
the Mac with ITunes

I can confirm this. I thought they would remove it to encourage customers to 
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wrote:

Oh, o, Kayy?  Awesome.  Thank you for that tip.

Chris.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on 
the Mac with ITunes

Hi,
Thanks for this. :)
In your podcast you stated that “Internet Radio is gone.” However, that 
is not true. All you have to do is click the “More” button, and check the 
box to show it.

Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
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clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

This is very very in depth!

I hope you all are able to get something out of this.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

Chris.

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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

Jo, realize that this was quite an unpollished recording.  Normally the things 
I do, trust me are way way way way better quality than this.  I'm a 
professional audio engineer, so believe me.  When I did this, I wasn't in the 
studio.  Therefore, all I had access to was a cheap dinky dank little USB 
headset.  I then just used Screenflow to record things.

Chris.

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  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the 
Mac with ITunes


  I was gonna ask you what you used to do the recording, as throughout the 
recording, there seemed to be a larger and larger delay between when I heard vo 
in your headphones, and when I heard it go out on the podcast. consequently, 
you were saying things over VO, only because to you, it'd already stopped 
talking. oh well, what you hear, and what others hear, ain't your fault. :)

  Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:


Oh, o, Kayy?  Awesome.  Thank you for that tip.

Chris.


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  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:28 AM
  Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on 
the Mac with ITunes


  Hi, 
  Thanks for this. :)
  In your podcast you stated that “Internet Radio is gone.” However, that 
is not true. All you have to do is click the “More” button, and check the box 
to show it.
  Hope this helps,
  Jeffrey

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This is very very in depth!

I hope you all are able to get something out of this.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

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Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music

2015-07-03 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Yeah well like I said, I don't want to wake up to find out that my stream timed 
out while I was sleeping. To the person that said that they were gonna find the 
feedback address for the music people, kindly send it to us so I can address my 
issue.

Shawn
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 Yes, the tag doesn't say radio edit or clean version or anything like that. 
 It does on one track but not the others. I'm not too worried about it I just 
 find it odd that they would do something that inconsistently. I will track 
 down the feedback address specifically for the music people and see if they 
 can ask you extra questions on the setup screen like whether you prefer album 
 versions or radio edits and whether you care about possibly offensive content 
 and maybe even did you want the remastered version or the original release if 
 they have it.  I guess this is an unexpected side effect of attempting to 
 inform a computer about music preference which I didn't expect because I 
 usually pick it myself so I'm still not fully aware of the billions of ways 
 people attempt  to classify things.  And of course these kinds of attempts at 
 control and censoring are always going to fail miserably because I was trying 
 to figure out programmatically how you would decide what to filter and 
 quickly bogged down in some ridiculous logic tree. But I'm sure it'll work 
 itself out  I was just reporting it to the list because I wasn't expecting 
 the behaviour and I wondered if it was just me or if others had noticed 
 before I go reporting bugs that are results of me being a moron and not 
 understanding how this stuff is expected to work.
 
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


Hey there.

Don't worry about it.  I still have the link.  No biggy.  Again, it is:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

Chris.

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


Hi Chris,
I copied the link you posted, but overwrote the clipboard with a title I got 
off iTunes. Please re-send because I didn't save the email. I normally don't 
do this unless I need to. Thanks and sorry for any inconvenience caused. See 
I would click on the link, but Safari opens and streams the file which I do 
not want to do.



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On 3 Jul 2015, at 02:14, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I figured it out, and now feel, thanks to Apple Accessibility Support 
sticking it out with me today on the phone, I now have mastered this on 
ITunes.  God D!*** is it confusing though!


I have made a tutorial in audio format wich basically goes through 
literally everything! that I even remotely! can imagine you ever! would 
want to do with ITunes on the Mac and Apple Music.  I'll send you all the 
link just as soon as I get it uploaded, as I think it really will explain 
a ton and will clear up lots upon lots of misunderstandings.


Stay tuned!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


Hi,

Haven't tried it in the For You area, but in the Radio area, I did the 
following on the Mac:


• accessed the Apple Music station I wished to listen to.
• started playing, skipped a few songs until It played one I liked and 
knew wasn't already in my Library.

• Stop interacting with everything.
• press FN-VO-shift-left arrow (on an MBP) to take me to the first item in 
the window, which is the Info button.  For orientation purposes, it's just 
to the left of the Pause button.

• VO-space

There's usually a couple of possibilities there, one of them being Add to 
My Music.  VO-space on that and it should be added to your iCloud Music. 
If you wish to download it for off-line listening, then you'd need to do 
the following:


• press the My Music radio button.
• if you sort this list by Date Added,, then that item will be right at 
the top or bottom depending on which direction it's sorted.
• right beside the name, there should be a Download button.  VO-space on 
it and it will download locally to your machine.


I don't see why this wouldn't work in the For You area, but as 
mentioned, I haven't tested it.


Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2015, at 15:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Chris, you're doing better than me, my friend.  I can't even figure out 
how on the mac to add to my ICloud music from a song in the For You 
section, let alone! how to download it for offline.


Chris.

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Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


It can be done, but don't understand how. It seems I have to add to my 
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On 2 Jul 2015, at 21:06, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

How do you download from Apple Music on Mac? I'm missing the option.


On 7/2/2015 7:19 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
Unfortunately that will be the case. To remove the protection, you will 
have to buy the song or playlist from the iTunes Store.



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On 2 Jul 2015, at 18:37, Stan ZA amista...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,
Does this also mean that we can no longer convert to MP3 format, and 
put the music on usb sticks for playing on other devices?

Stan ZA
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On 02 Jul 2015, at 3:39 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:


no

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Quinn

Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 18:21
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

Can you burn them?

Sent from my iPhone


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Hi all
After playing with the desktop version of the service, located inside 
iTunes 12.2 and later, for both Windows and Mac, I can confirm

Re: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?


Chris,

Try something.

Copy that link, but then at the end of it, add:

?dl=1

See if that works.

Again, the link is:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

Chris.

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 2:51 AM
Subject: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?



Hi all
Subject just about says it, but Dropbox was used as an example. Any way of 
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Re: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?

I could be wrong, but I think they meant on OSX, not I O S, however, that 
being said, your long press tip in I O S does prove value.  I didn't realize 
you could do that.  That is awesome.  Thanks for the tip.


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Subject: Re: Downloading Dropbox links from an email?



Yes. Move your finger to the link, then double-tap and hold.
A bunch of options should appear, one being 'copy'.

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Subject just about says it, but Dropbox was used as an example. Any way 
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

May I kindly therefore suggest you leave the Apple ecosystem and go with a 
system like Android or Windows? When you buy an Apple product, you have to 
agree to their terms and be in their ecosystem. Don't like it? Don't agree to 
their terms, sell or return your Apple products and go for a more open 
platform. Chris, myself and others, even my friend of ten years this October, 
love Apple very much and will always stick by them. Sorry, I just can't 
understand the complaints of such a new service and the ecosystem altogether, 
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 wrote:
 
 I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws totally for 
 free illegally!  Oh, come on!  It won't hurt to steel from the company! 
 Rauight!  Smirk?
 
 Never mind my major! sarcasm.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:35 AM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 +1.
 I've tried cracking the DRM with stuff like Sound Taxi with no luck.
 They've apparently modified/strengthened the DRM protection which sucks,
 but somebody will come up with a workaround soon.
 95% of my offline music collection is in FLAC. I cannot comprehend
 depending on streaming services to deliver my music. £10 per month is
 ridiculous - and I don't own a local, non-protected copy of any of my
 tracks while I am subscribed.
 Streaming music appeals to many because they think they're getting a
 good deal and don't have to torrent stuff all the time. Same thing with
 Netflix. If people are happy with that then it's really their choice,
 but why wouldn't you want to own a local copy of material? What if the
 internet dies, you're capped, you have a slow connection etc?
 
 Finally, if I want to support an artist I'll make an effort to meet them
 and find alternative ways of donating to them, rather than purchasing
 from a company who takes a 30% cut of the funds. That is just wrong, and
 same goes for developers who make incredible apps and are forced to
 upload their apps in the app store. Apple don't deserve 30% of a cut.
 Not even payment gateways take that much.
 
 
 -Shaf
 On 7/3/2015 2:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 DRM is evil.  Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably invented 
 the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it still 
 restricts you, all in the name of artificial market differentiation. Which 
 is wrong, and evil.
 
 As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll never 
 allow my library to become tainted with the content.  It’s just too great a 
 risk, for me and I think for others; if streaming becomes popular and 
 therefore exclusive, music ownership will be lost forever.  Also, it’s 
 fairly well known that streaming and rentals don’t help artists nearly as 
 much as purchases, because there’s fierce competition on the margins and of 
 course the listening tastes of listeners are not nearly as uniform as one 
 might hope for the artists.
 
 So, yes, very awesome, but let’s not forget what this is about: you’re 
 paying for a closed service that will end when you stop paying for it. 
 Online or offline, indistinguishable from the real thing or not, the service 
 is either a way for you to stay locked in, or a way for you to purchase 
 songs.  And it’s all thanks to DRM.  I’d have hoped for a thousand other 
 different models that reconciled reality with market desires, perhaps 
 involving lossless formats or automatic purchases of offline downloads, but 
 there it is.  Please don’t fall into the trap of thinking you own anything 
 you listen to on Apple Music.
 
 
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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

2015-07-03 Thread Joe Quinn

I was gonna ask you what you used to do the recording, as throughout the 
recording, there seemed to be a larger and larger delay between when I heard vo 
in your headphones, and when I heard it go out on the podcast. consequently, 
you were saying things over VO, only because to you, it'd already stopped 
talking. oh well, what you hear, and what others hear, ain't your fault. :)

Sent from my iPhone

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 Oh, o, Kayy?  Awesome.  Thank you for that tip.
  
 Chris.
  
  
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 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:28 AM
 Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the 
 Mac with ITunes
 
 Hi,
 Thanks for this. :)
 In your podcast you stated that “Internet Radio is gone.” However, that is 
 not true. All you have to do is click the “More” button, and check the box to 
 show it.
 Hope this helps,
 Jeffrey
 On Jul 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is very very in depth!
  
 I hope you all are able to get something out of this.
  
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3
  
 Chris.
 
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Most efficient way to jump to search results in iTunes

Hi,

This is a bit of a basic question, but what’s the quickest way to jump from the 
search field to the search results in iTunes on the Mac?

Currently I type in my search query and press enter, use VO+shift+up arrow to 
stop interacting, use VO+End to jump to the bottom of the screen which lands me 
on the HTML content, and press VO+shift+down arrow to interact.

However, it struck me that there was probably a quicker way.

Thanks,

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Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music

That's why I said, if you're that concerned, just use the screen curtain.

Chris.

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music

Presumably though, you cannot lock your screen on the Mac the same way you 
can on iOS. When you lock the screen on the Mac, you are asked to unlock it 
with a password. When you lock your screen on iOS, the screen goes 
completely black and nonfunctional until you bring up the lock screen either 
yourself or via a notification. This may be why there is a two hour limit on 
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On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:48, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

Meh, all good man. Now that I know there's a work around, I'll just play 
it on iTunes on my Mac all night. That's just another inconsistency 
between iOS and iTunes that Chris H could talk about.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook

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clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

Actually, that isn't weird at all!  I do the same.  Again, I wasn't 
meaning to be rude.  I just didn't understand why you found it so 
difficult, but yeah, I gotcha now.  I guess that would be a concern then, 
wouldn't it! LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music

Well, you can't tap on the icon when you're sleeping, can you? You might 
think this weird but I like sleeping with music on and I wake up in the 
middle of the night kinda panicking if there's no music. But I think I 
may have found a work around to this problem which I'll post in another 
thread after I go through these hundreds of emails. Lol.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook

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clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

Dude, there's not!  Just restart it.  I know it's a little inconvenient, 
but it's just one icon you gotta double tap to start playing again.  OK, 
granted, if you're at work and cant easily get to the device to do that, 
then? I could see your annoyance, but honestly I mean well when I say 
this, so please don't take this rudely, but am I just not understanding 
your lifestyle?  Is it really that hard to just hit one button, and go 
on? It's not like you're having to do this after every single song.

Maybe I'm just too willing to put up with things, but honestly, that 
wouldn't really bother me too bad.

Chris.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music

Well that's stupid. If I'm gonna be paying $10 a month which I probably 
will because this service is fricking awesome, there shouldn't be a 
limit to how long I listen to it.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook

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iTunes Radio did this I believe. It would stop playing after two hours 
of inactivity and ask if you were still listening. Not sure if it is 
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On 1 Jul 2015, at 08:35, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi all. I just found something disconcerting about Apple Music. I've 
been listening to Beats 1 for the past couple of hours and out of no 
where the stream cuts out. I don't know if that's a bug or if that's 
something I can correct in settings but just thought I would get it 
out there to see if anyone else experiences this. I also found another 
radio station, the hip hop station that Apple created also does this 
as well. I'm using Wifi to stream so don't know why this is happening. 
Any suggestions?

Shawn
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Re: Problem with latest Itunes

Not sure.  That's really strange.

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Wonder why I don't then?

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wrote:

Hmm, on my end, in the account menu, I actually do see an option for 
ITunes Match.

Chris.

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Subject: Re: Problem with latest Itunes

I think the match items are gone because of the introduction of Apple 
Music. It's gone at my end too. Also, there is no Store menu anymore; it 
is the Account menu.

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On 2 Jul 2015, at 17:07, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote:

Dear List, I have just updated my mac to the latest Itunes.  I am 
disturbed by the fact that turn on and off itunes match is no longer in 
the store menu.  Does this mean I have lost all my matched music in 
Icloud?  They only recently charged me for this years subscription.  Also 
when I try to access the album grid, it automatically selects all the 
albums and starts reading them out, or it goes busy.  I would be very 
grateful for any advice.

Kind Regards, Lee

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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

Hi Chris,

I’d be very surprised if they removed Internet Radio because they’d introduced 
iTunes Radio.  Bear in mind that Internet Radio is a means by which you can 
access thousands of different radio stations, many of which don’t play music.

Still, I guess you never know though.

Cheers,

Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:39, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 I can confirm this. I thought they would remove it to encourage customers to 
 use Apple Music radio. So far, they haven't, but it could be a future 
 possibility.
 
 
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 wrote:
 
 Oh, o, Kayy?  Awesome.  Thank you for that tip.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jeffrey Shockley
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:28 AM
 Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on 
 the Mac with ITunes
 
 Hi,
 Thanks for this. :)
 In your podcast you stated that “Internet Radio is gone.” However, that is 
 not true. All you have to do is click the “More” button, and check the box 
 to show it.
 Hope this helps,
 Jeffrey
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 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is very very in depth!
 
 I hope you all are able to get something out of this.
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3
 
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

In at least the radio section, you can add a currently playing song from a 
station to your wishlist. Then you go to your wishlist, click on the button 
with a price attached, and you've just owned a song you previously streamed on 
Apple Music Radio. As Chris said below, like the track? Buy it! Then it's 
yours. How hard is that to grasp?


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 You can! own it!  Listen to it streaming.  If you like it, buy it!
 
 How hard's that to grasp.  Once you buy it, burn it!  Do whatever, it's 
 your's!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 I just have to agree with this post.  I would also add that if you want to 
 keep your access to this music, Apple now owns you.  Personally, I don't want 
 to be owned by any large corporation.  Though right now I can't imagine 
 abandoning Apple products in favor of anything else, seven years ago I would 
 have said I'd never own a Mac.  so things do change.  And if that day ever 
 comes, I want my music to migrate with me.  I'd rather just own the music 
 myself.  Then I can take it wherever I want and use it in the way that best 
 suits my needs.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 Cheers,
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 DRM is evil.  Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably invented 
 the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it still 
 restricts you, all in the name of artificial market differentiation. Which 
 is wrong, and evil.
 
 As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll never 
 allow my library to become tainted with the content.  It’s just too great a 
 risk, for me and I think for others; if streaming becomes popular and 
 therefore exclusive, music ownership will be lost forever.  Also, it’s 
 fairly well known that streaming and rentals don’t help artists nearly as 
 much as purchases, because there’s fierce competition on the margins and of 
 course the listening tastes of listeners are not nearly as uniform as one 
 might hope for the artists.
 
 So, yes, very awesome, but let’s not forget what this is about: you’re 
 paying for a closed service that will end when you stop paying for it. 
 Online or offline, indistinguishable from the real thing or not, the service 
 is either a way for you to stay locked in, or a way for you to purchase 
 songs.  And it’s all thanks to DRM.  I’d have hoped for a thousand other 
 different models that reconciled reality with market desires, perhaps 
 involving lossless formats or automatic purchases of offline downloads, but 
 there it is.  Please don’t fall into the trap of thinking you own anything 
 you listen to on Apple Music.
 
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

100% agree.

Chris.

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

That's overexaggerating in my opinion. It's probably a glitch in the 
service, expected being it's only a few days old. Things will straighten 
themselves out soon. I love the service despite its glitches.

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On 3 Jul 2015, at 18:21, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

Thanks for this. I definitely won't be subscribing now!
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:

Just a followup to point people to this blog post:
http://www.mcelhearn.com/the-real-difference-between-itunes-match-and-icloud-music-library-drm/

It appears that the transition from iTunes Match to the new Music 
Library feature included in Apple Music also causes non-Apple-Music 
tracks to be DRM-infected, even those you upload yourself.

Watch out!

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Question about Apple Music/For You on the Mac

Hi,

When I go to the ‘For You’ tab of Apple Music on iOS, I’m presented with a list 
of things that Apple Music presumably thinks that I might want to listen to.

However, when I click the equivalent radio button on the Mac, the Apple Music 
HTML content remains empty until I search for something.

Does anyone know if this is supposed to happen, and if not, how I can get 
whatever shows up on iOS to show up on the Mac?

Cheers,

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Re: Question about Apple Music/For You on the Mac

No it's not. Try signing out and back in again, restarting iTunes or even your 
Mac. It could also be a glitch on the server side.


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 Hi,
 
 When I go to the ‘For You’ tab of Apple Music on iOS, I’m presented with a 
 list of things that Apple Music presumably thinks that I might want to listen 
 to.
 
 However, when I click the equivalent radio button on the Mac, the Apple Music 
 HTML content remains empty until I search for something.
 
 Does anyone know if this is supposed to happen, and if not, how I can get 
 whatever shows up on iOS to show up on the Mac?
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

Oh, o, Kayy?  Awesome.  Thank you for that tip.

Chris.


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  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:28 AM
  Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the 
Mac with ITunes


  Hi,
  Thanks for this. :)
  In your podcast you stated that “Internet Radio is gone.” However, that is 
not true. All you have to do is click the “More” button, and check the box to 
show it.
  Hope this helps,
  Jeffrey

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This is very very in depth!

I hope you all are able to get something out of this.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

Chris.


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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

Very glad you got something out of it.

I'll admit that I need to work on not saying, um, and, like, so much.  
Normally, I'd a editted that out, but I figured you all wanted the content 
quickly, so I went ahead and pushed it.

I may go back and edit it though in PT just for practice.

Unless you want the practice?  LOL!

Chris.

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  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 4:28 AM
  Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the 
Mac with ITunes


  Great tutorial Chris, thanks for this.
  Brian

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This is very very in depth!

I hope you all are able to get something out of this.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3

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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


You can! own it!  Listen to it streaming.  If you like it, buy it!

How hard's that to grasp.  Once you buy it, burn it!  Do whatever, it's 
your's!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


I just have to agree with this post.  I would also add that if you want to 
keep your access to this music, Apple now owns you.  Personally, I don't 
want to be owned by any large corporation.  Though right now I can't imagine 
abandoning Apple products in favor of anything else, seven years ago I would 
have said I'd never own a Mac.  so things do change.  And if that day ever 
comes, I want my music to migrate with me.  I'd rather just own the music 
myself.  Then I can take it wherever I want and use it in the way that best 
suits my needs.

Cheers,
Donna
Cheers,
Donna.

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DRM is evil.  Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably invented 
the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it still 
restricts you, all in the name of artificial market differentiation. 
Which is wrong, and evil.


As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll never 
allow my library to become tainted with the content.  It’s just too great 
a risk, for me and I think for others; if streaming becomes popular and 
therefore exclusive, music ownership will be lost forever.  Also, it’s 
fairly well known that streaming and rentals don’t help artists nearly as 
much as purchases, because there’s fierce competition on the margins and 
of course the listening tastes of listeners are not nearly as uniform as 
one might hope for the artists.


So, yes, very awesome, but let’s not forget what this is about: you’re 
paying for a closed service that will end when you stop paying for it. 
Online or offline, indistinguishable from the real thing or not, the 
service is either a way for you to stay locked in, or a way for you to 
purchase songs.  And it’s all thanks to DRM.  I’d have hoped for a 
thousand other different models that reconciled reality with market 
desires, perhaps involving lossless formats or automatic purchases of 
offline downloads, but there it is.  Please don’t fall into the trap of 
thinking you own anything you listen to on Apple Music.


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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

I can confirm this. I thought they would remove it to encourage customers to 
use Apple Music radio. So far, they haven't, but it could be a future 
possibility.


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 Oh, o, Kayy?  Awesome.  Thank you for that tip.
  
 Chris.
  
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jeffrey Shockley
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:28 AM
 Subject: Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on 
 the Mac with ITunes
 
 Hi,
 Thanks for this. :)
 In your podcast you stated that “Internet Radio is gone.” However, that is 
 not true. All you have to do is click the “More” button, and check the box 
 to show it.
 Hope this helps,
 Jeffrey
 On Jul 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is very very in depth!
  
 I hope you all are able to get something out of this.
  
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3
  
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Re: Most efficient way to jump to search results in iTunes

There is. Instead of pressing enter, since the search is dynamic in nature, 
vo-right to the search results table and vo-shift-down to interact with the 
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 Hi,
 
 This is a bit of a basic question, but what’s the quickest way to jump from 
 the search field to the search results in iTunes on the Mac?
 
 Currently I type in my search query and press enter, use VO+shift+up arrow to 
 stop interacting, use VO+End to jump to the bottom of the screen which lands 
 me on the HTML content, and press VO+shift+down arrow to interact.
 
 However, it struck me that there was probably a quicker way.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Presumably though, you cannot lock your screen on the Mac the same way you can 
on iOS. When you lock the screen on the Mac, you are asked to unlock it with a 
password. When you lock your screen on iOS, the screen goes completely black 
and nonfunctional until you bring up the lock screen either yourself or via a 
notification. This may be why there is a two hour limit on iOS but not on the 
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 On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:48, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Meh, all good man. Now that I know there's a work around, I'll just play it 
 on iTunes on my Mac all night. That's just another inconsistency between iOS 
 and iTunes that Chris H could talk about.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
 On Jul 2, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Actually, that isn't weird at all!  I do the same.  Again, I wasn't meaning 
 to be rude.  I just didn't understand why you found it so difficult, but 
 yeah, I gotcha now.  I guess that would be a concern then, wouldn't it! LOL!
 
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 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music
 
 
 Well, you can't tap on the icon when you're sleeping, can you? You might 
 think this weird but I like sleeping with music on and I wake up in the 
 middle of the night kinda panicking if there's no music. But I think I may 
 have found a work around to this problem which I'll post in another thread 
 after I go through these hundreds of emails. Lol.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
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 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dude, there's not!  Just restart it.  I know it's a little inconvenient, 
 but it's just one icon you gotta double tap to start playing again.  OK, 
 granted, if you're at work and cant easily get to the device to do that, 
 then? I could see your annoyance, but honestly I mean well when I say this, 
 so please don't take this rudely, but am I just not understanding your 
 lifestyle?  Is it really that hard to just hit one button, and go on? It's 
 not like you're having to do this after every single song.
 
 Maybe I'm just too willing to put up with things, but honestly, that 
 wouldn't really bother me too bad.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 3:42 AM
 Subject: Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music
 
 
 Well that's stupid. If I'm gonna be paying $10 a month which I probably 
 will because this service is fricking awesome, there shouldn't be a limit 
 to how long I listen to it.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
 On Jul 1, 2015, at 2:37 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 iTunes Radio did this I believe. It would stop playing after two hours of 
 inactivity and ask if you were still listening. Not sure if it is the same 
 now with Apple Music, but should imagine so.
 
 
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 Hi all. I just found something disconcerting about Apple Music. I've been 
 listening to Beats 1 for the past couple of hours and out of no where the 
 stream cuts out. I don't know if that's a bug or if that's something I 
 can correct in settings but just thought I would get it out there to see 
 if anyone else experiences this. I also found another radio station, the 
 hip hop station that Apple created also does this as well. I'm using Wifi 
 to stream so don't know why this is happening. Any suggestions?
 
 Shawn
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

Thanks *smile* I've been messing around with iTunes for the most part yesterday 
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 Chris, you're doing better than me, my friend.  I can't even figure out how 
 on the mac to add to my ICloud music from a song in the For You section, let 
 alone! how to download it for offline.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth 
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 To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 4:12 PM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 It can be done, but don't understand how. It seems I have to add to my 
 music first before I can make available offline.
 
 
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 On 2 Jul 2015, at 21:06, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How do you download from Apple Music on Mac? I'm missing the option.
 
 
 On 7/2/2015 7:19 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 Unfortunately that will be the case. To remove the protection, you will 
 have to buy the song or playlist from the iTunes Store.
 
 
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 Hi All,
 Does this also mean that we can no longer convert to MP3 format, and put 
 the music on usb sticks for playing on other devices?
 Stan ZA
 amista...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On 02 Jul 2015, at 3:39 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 no
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 18:21
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 Can you burn them?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 1, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Chris challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 After playing with the desktop version of the service, located inside 
 iTunes 12.2 and later, for both Windows and Mac, I can confirm that each 
 and every song you download from the Apple Music library, not your 
 iCloud Music Library, has integrated copy protection. This can be 
 observed by a change in the filename extention which we will all have to 
 get used to; M4P. This is an iTunes protected file, hence the p, and 
 can even consist of music videos, the file that is. So please, don't try 
 to share what you download, legal or otherwise, as it's not going to 
 work. Also, anything you download from the Apple Music library will 
 refuse to play once the trial or subscription expires, whatever comes 
 first. They will play again when you subscribe or re-subscribe whatever 
 is the case. And how do I know? Once you download from the Apple Music 
 library, it will be located in the following paths:
 Windows: /users/username/music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Apple Music.
 Mac: ~/music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Apple Music.
 Apple has definitely gone about this the right way, and so they should 
 since they've been dealing with music since the introduction of the iPod 
 back in 2001.
 
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Wonder why I don't then?


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 On 2 Jul 2015, at 21:43, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hmm, on my end, in the account menu, I actually do see an option for ITunes 
 Match.
 
 Chris.
 
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 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 3:11 PM
 Subject: Re: Problem with latest Itunes
 
 
 I think the match items are gone because of the introduction of Apple Music. 
 It's gone at my end too. Also, there is no Store menu anymore; it is the 
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 Dear List, I have just updated my mac to the latest Itunes.  I am disturbed 
 by the fact that turn on and off itunes match is no longer in the store 
 menu.  Does this mean I have lost all my matched music in Icloud?  They only 
 recently charged me for this years subscription.  Also when I try to access 
 the album grid, it automatically selects all the albums and starts reading 
 them out, or it goes busy.  I would be very grateful for any advice.
 
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Re: here is an extremely! in depth walkthrough of Apple Music on the Mac with ITunes

2015-07-03 Thread Brian Howerton

Great tutorial Chris, thanks for this.
Brian

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 This is very very in depth!
  
 I hope you all are able to get something out of this.
  
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/AMusicMac.mp3
  
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Re: Something Disconcerting About Apple Music

2015-07-03 Thread Blee Blat

Yes, the tag doesn't say radio edit or clean version or anything like that. It 
does on one track but not the others. I'm not too worried about it I just find 
it odd that they would do something that inconsistently. I will track down the 
feedback address specifically for the music people and see if they can ask you 
extra questions on the setup screen like whether you prefer album versions or 
radio edits and whether you care about possibly offensive content and maybe 
even did you want the remastered version or the original release if they have 
it.  I guess this is an unexpected side effect of attempting to inform a 
computer about music preference which I didn't expect because I usually pick it 
myself so I'm still not fully aware of the billions of ways people attempt  to 
classify things.  And of course these kinds of attempts at control and 
censoring are always going to fail miserably because I was trying to figure out 
programmatically how you would decide what to filter and quickly bogged down in 
some ridiculous logic tree. But I'm sure it'll work itself out  I was just 
reporting it to the list because I wasn't expecting the behaviour and I 
wondered if it was just me or if others had noticed before I go reporting bugs 
that are results of me being a moron and not understanding how this stuff is 
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Re: Apple Music Offline Listening

2015-07-03 Thread venky . 92

Oh. Should I search for the album from specific view? That is, the new, radio, 
or for you views? 

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 On 03-Jul-2015, at 11:30 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For me, it’s the top option in the action menu on albums.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 06:40, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks! That makes things a lot easier.
 I'm not sure on how to add complete albums to my music and later download 
 them
 When I search for an album on Apple music, click on it, I go and interact 
 with the header which is named after the album name
 I find  name of the album, the option to play, shuffle, show action menu, 
 the artists in the album, the number of songs, and the option to love it
 I do not find the option to add it to my music.
 Even when I click on show action menu, I just have add to and share as the 
 options
 Add to shows up in the playlists in my library
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 4:45 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi again Chris,
 
 I have just discovered you can shortcut the steps around interacting with 
 the table and selecting the track.  Instead of clicking on the track, there 
 is an unlabelled button above the name, which is a play button.  Just hit 
 that, and the LCD section populates.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't even see the option to add it to my ICloud Music 
 library, unless I'm on my mac.
 
 Here's what I'm doing.  Tell me if I'm doing this maybe  incorrectly.
 
 1.  Open ITunes, obviously.
 
 2.  Find the For You radio button under Music and select it.
 
 3.  Hit command+Shift+F to search.
 
 4.  Type in, say, Breakfast at Tiffany's and hit return.
 
 5.  Interact with the HTML content.
 
 6.  Under the top results heading, find Breakfast at Tiffany's clicable, 
 and vo+space on it.
 
 7.  Interact with the scroll area, then find the table and interact.
 
 8.  Find the actual track, Breakfast at Tiffany's.
 
 9.  Vo+Shift+M on it.
 
 10.  I see no option here to either add to playlist, which pisses the holy 
 Hannah hell! outta me, nor do I see anything to add to my ICloud.  Is that 
 what the Copy option does?  I thought that was for copying the track 
 somehow to the clipboard to be pasted elseware.  NO?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:31 PM
 Subject: Apple Music Offline Listening
 
 
 There's no option that I can see to download music from Apple Music for 
 offline listening. Anybody have an idea of where it is? I've added the 
 track/album to my library but offline listening only shows on iOS.
 
 Thanks
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

Hi Chris,
I copied the link you posted, but overwrote the clipboard with a title I got 
off iTunes. Please re-send because I didn't save the email. I normally don't do 
this unless I need to. Thanks and sorry for any inconvenience caused. See I 
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 On 3 Jul 2015, at 02:14, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I figured it out, and now feel, thanks to Apple Accessibility Support 
 sticking it out with me today on the phone, I now have mastered this on 
 ITunes.  God D!*** is it confusing though!
 
 I have made a tutorial in audio format wich basically goes through literally 
 everything! that I even remotely! can imagine you ever! would want to do with 
 ITunes on the Mac and Apple Music.  I'll send you all the link just as soon 
 as I get it uploaded, as I think it really will explain a ton and will clear 
 up lots upon lots of misunderstandings.
 
 Stay tuned!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 7:03 PM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Haven't tried it in the For You area, but in the Radio area, I did the 
 following on the Mac:
 
 • accessed the Apple Music station I wished to listen to.
 • started playing, skipped a few songs until It played one I liked and knew 
 wasn't already in my Library.
 • Stop interacting with everything.
 • press FN-VO-shift-left arrow (on an MBP) to take me to the first item in 
 the window, which is the Info button.  For orientation purposes, it's just to 
 the left of the Pause button.
 • VO-space
 
 There's usually a couple of possibilities there, one of them being Add to My 
 Music.  VO-space on that and it should be added to your iCloud Music. If you 
 wish to download it for off-line listening, then you'd need to do the 
 following:
 
 • press the My Music radio button.
 • if you sort this list by Date Added,, then that item will be right at the 
 top or bottom depending on which direction it's sorted.
 • right beside the name, there should be a Download button.  VO-space on it 
 and it will download locally to your machine.
 
 I don't see why this wouldn't work in the For You area, but as mentioned, I 
 haven't tested it.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
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 wrote:
 
 Chris, you're doing better than me, my friend.  I can't even figure out how 
 on the mac to add to my ICloud music from a song in the For You section, let 
 alone! how to download it for offline.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 4:12 PM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
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 On 2 Jul 2015, at 21:06, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How do you download from Apple Music on Mac? I'm missing the option.
 
 
 On 7/2/2015 7:19 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 Unfortunately that will be the case. To remove the protection, you will 
 have to buy the song or playlist from the iTunes Store.
 
 
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 Hi All,
 Does this also mean that we can no longer convert to MP3 format, and put 
 the music on usb sticks for playing on other devices?
 Stan ZA
 amista...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On 02 Jul 2015, at 3:39 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 no
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 18:21
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 Can you burn them?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 1, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Chris challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 After playing with the desktop version of the service, located inside 
 iTunes 12.2 and later, for both Windows and Mac, I can confirm that each 
 and every song you download from the Apple Music library, not your 
 iCloud Music Library, has integrated copy protection. This can be 
 observed by a change in the filename extention which we will all have to 
 get used to; M4P. This is an

Re: Apple Music Offline Listening

Hi,

For me, it’s the top option in the action menu on albums.

Cheers,

Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 06:40, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks! That makes things a lot easier.
 I'm not sure on how to add complete albums to my music and later download them
 When I search for an album on Apple music, click on it, I go and interact 
 with the header which is named after the album name
 I find  name of the album, the option to play, shuffle, show action menu, the 
 artists in the album, the number of songs, and the option to love it
 I do not find the option to add it to my music.
 Even when I click on show action menu, I just have add to and share as the 
 options
 Add to shows up in the playlists in my library
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 4:45 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi again Chris,
 
 I have just discovered you can shortcut the steps around interacting with 
 the table and selecting the track.  Instead of clicking on the track, there 
 is an unlabelled button above the name, which is a play button.  Just hit 
 that, and the LCD section populates.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't even see the option to add it to my ICloud Music library, 
 unless I'm on my mac.
 
 Here's what I'm doing.  Tell me if I'm doing this maybe  incorrectly.
 
 1.  Open ITunes, obviously.
 
 2.  Find the For You radio button under Music and select it.
 
 3.  Hit command+Shift+F to search.
 
 4.  Type in, say, Breakfast at Tiffany's and hit return.
 
 5.  Interact with the HTML content.
 
 6.  Under the top results heading, find Breakfast at Tiffany's clicable, 
 and vo+space on it.
 
 7.  Interact with the scroll area, then find the table and interact.
 
 8.  Find the actual track, Breakfast at Tiffany's.
 
 9.  Vo+Shift+M on it.
 
 10.  I see no option here to either add to playlist, which pisses the holy 
 Hannah hell! outta me, nor do I see anything to add to my ICloud.  Is that 
 what the Copy option does?  I thought that was for copying the track 
 somehow to the clipboard to be pasted elseware.  NO?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:31 PM
 Subject: Apple Music Offline Listening
 
 
 There's no option that I can see to download music from Apple Music for 
 offline listening. Anybody have an idea of where it is? I've added the 
 track/album to my library but offline listening only shows on iOS.
 
 Thanks
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Re: trying to download a webinar

I think it's just option-enter


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 On 3 Jul 2015, at 02:37, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Isn't the command to do this CMD-Option Enter?  Running Yosemite 10.4.4.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Downloading Dropbox links from an email?