Learning Ally

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Grant, Chris and all,

You have reawakened my interest in RFB, which is my oldtimer's name for 
Learning Ally! Thanks tons for this tip about the Security and Privacy tab. One 
thing that we must now do is to make the company know full well that they must 
not get rid of this piece of software. All that they need to do is to update 
their documentation.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Frankly i don’t see the meaning in getting so upset in this.
Maybe in 20 years you have your headphones built-in to your brain and pair 
yourself with the iphone or what it now is.
I am not worrid at all just curious.
/A
> On 20 Jan 2016, at 23:21, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’m personally not that invested in the 3.5MM cable.  If an adapter exists 
> I’m happy.  Either way I don’t care if it’s included or not, frankly I’d 
> rather it was thin than had a 3.5MM jack.
> 
> But my answer changes if there’s no reasonable adapter.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> It is best to let apple know that there is many customers out there that 
>> like to use the 3.5mm headphone connector now at this time,  not later, when 
>> the 3.5mm is gone on the next model. Ehen it is gone it is gone. To late.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 20. jan. 2016 kl. 12:06 skrev Bill Gallik :
>> 
>> I have to wonder if Apple is really planning on changing the headphone jack. 
>>  I also wonder if the eventual iPhone 7 will come complete with the 
>> necessary audio jack adapter included?
>> 
>> But the bottom line to me is  this, if Apple does incorporate an alternative 
>> connection to the current jack do people truly believe it is only to pry 
>> additional dollars from the pockets of a remarkably loyal customer base?  
>> Or, as I personally believe to be the case, to provide a technically 
>> superior feature?
>> 
>> I have no reason nor evidence to believe that Apple is foolish enough to 
>> make a technical alteration solely for the purpose of forcing loyal 
>> customers to be required to part with additional monies.  For my money, if 
>> Apple alters the headphone jack I audio believe they are doing to offer an 
>> improved experience.  I recall when the 35 MM jack was introduced several 
>> decades ago, the proponents of the formerly preponderant quarter inch jack 
>> likewise protested (although not quite so loudly).  For my money, I’ll 
>> patiently wait to see what Apple has indeed done and pass judgment after 
>> experiencing what most likely be an improvement.
>> 
>> 
>> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>> 
>> wfgal...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes thats true.
I guess i am one of those audiophiles out there who just wants good quality.
But to be honest i can not hear whether bluetooth or airplay has some 
differences.
Nor can i hear differences from apple music and spotify.
But as long as the sound fits my need i am happy.
Hope this is ok.
/A
> On 20 Jan 2016, at 23:02, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> To some extent it doesn't matter a whole lot. Even though my main stereo has 
> nice JBL monitor speakers, most of the time I'm not on the center of the 
> couch right between them getting the full stereo illusion of space. More 
> often I'm elsewhere in the room or in another room where they end up sounding 
> not a whole lot different than the iHome I have upstairs. Like information 
> snacking, most people don't want the full article and most people don't just 
> sit there and listen intently to music. More often it's just background 
> ambiance to the real thing you're doing at the time. For those types of 
> applications bluetooth and small cheap speakers work just fine.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/20/16 2:42 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> A consumer wouldn’t know the difference between a bluetooth or a 
>> toothbrush.:)  The fact is most consumers know what bluetooth does roughly 
>> and they know they might use it but they have no idea the differences in the 
>> protocols.  There are exceptions of course but the vast majority walk in to 
>> best buy and buy the cheapest model or the one they claim to be the best 
>> model but it’s all based on product placement and advertising, not real 
>> facts.
>> 
>> There are consumers who will drill down and learn more they just aren’t the 
>> majority.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am wondering two things then.
>>> First, what makes this a scam exactly?  Is Apple planning to deceive people 
>>>  with this effort?
>>> Second, based on the below, who are "most consumers," exactly?  if people 
>>> do not have much choice with the bluetooth quality, then how does that mean 
>>> better quality might be a waste?  A consumer  may be feeling powerless to 
>>> get anything better, which does not mean they might not want something 
>>> better.
>>> Just my thoughts,
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 True,
 
 but for the majority of consumers, bluetooth is good enough. High end 
 audio is just wasted on many people.
 
 JMo.
> On Jan 20, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Possibly.
> But bluetooth is not as good quality as airplay if you’re not using the 
> atpx protocol which apple doesn’t do.
> /A
>> 19 jan. 2016 kl. 00:45 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> :
>> 
>> I'm wonderring if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model 
>> devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not any airplay headphones 
>> around yet?
>> /A
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved.  I 
>>> don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but 
>>> I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I 
>>> actually would love a digital path between my iPhone and my headset.  I 
>>> was not among those poor souls hurt by the 30-pin to Lightning 
>>> transition, because I was not quite so silly as to buy expensive 
>>> equipment with that connector.  And, yes, electronic waste is a 
>>> terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt Apple will fail to provide a 
>>> transition for users of the 3.5-mm plug.  I know it’s painful, but we 
>>> do need to move forward.
>>> 
>>> JMO.
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RE: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[M. Taylor]

Hello Chris,

No, I am noticing no additional sluggishness after going from 9.2 to 9.2.1 on 
my 6 Plus.

Mark 

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On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:24 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and no, 
I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest build, 
that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not tested all 
the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, it’s very 
noticeable on my IPhone 6S.

I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.

I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.

Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the Messages 
app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either of those, the 
problem doesn’t seem to go away.

Chris.

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RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Thuy,

This sounds like a great workaround.  

Although I have not had to use it, I will definitely file it for the future.  

Thank you for posting.

Mark

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Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 1:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Hi Kawal. One workaround for this is to go into 
settings/general/accessibility/call audio routing and setting it to bluetooth 
rather than auto. If you don't have the bluetooth headset switched on, the 
audio still goes through the phone's earpiece as usual, but if the bluetooth 
headset is on, you can use them to make the call as expected. Hope this helps?
Cheers
Thuy

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Jan 2016, at 21:05, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
Yes, the but is still there.  I tried it after the latest update.

Thanks for reporting it if you have.

Kawal.
On 24 Jan 2016, at 18:30, E.T.  wrote:

Kawal,
  If you mean the Bluetooth connection is lost when a call is made, yeah. I was 
not even aware it was a bug for I kept forgetting to look into it. Is it still 
present in cersion 9.2.1? I am afraid to try it. Its time to send a note to 
Apple and remind them. I will do that right now.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/23/2016 10:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Morning All, or whatever the day may be for you all.

I hope those of you who are in the affected areas of the US are safe
with the weather being what it is with the lizards etc.

I notice from all the IOS updates, the headphone bug which Jonathan
Mosen went in to details when he did his first podcast on the new IOS
when it came out last September or October still hasn’t been fixed.  I
am very surprised that Apple haven’t managed to fix it yet.  It’s
frustrating that I can’t make any voice calls using my new Aftershokz
Bluez Sports.  By the way, I like the new model of headset.

Thanks.

Kawal.
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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[Chris Gilland]

Lovely!  Error 404.  We can’t find the file.

That’s pretty.  LOL!  Just kidding.

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
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> Well, I have a direct link.  It may not be "the" direct link, but since it's 
> been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try this.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip 
> 
> 
> Ejjoy,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app 
>> for the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps trying 
>> to direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last time I did, 
>> I got quite a bit of malware.
>> 
>> Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[erik burggraaf]

It might take a few minutes to wend it's way up to the cloud.  My internet is 
slow.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
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> Lovely!  Error 404.  We can’t find the file.
> 
> That’s pretty.  LOL!  Just kidding.
> 
> Chris.
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>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM, erik burggraaf > > wrote:
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>> been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try this.
>> 
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip 
>> 
>> 
>> Ejjoy,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app 
>>> for the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps trying 
>>> to direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last time I did, 
>>> I got quite a bit of malware.
>>> 
>>> Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.
>>> 
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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

Very strange.  It’s almost like a memory leakage.

I guess I’ll have to look more into what the heck is causing this, then.

Anyway, thanks for the confirmation.

Chris.

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> Hello Chris,
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> No, I am noticing no additional sluggishness after going from 9.2 to 9.2.1 on 
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> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
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> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover
> 
> Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and 
> no, I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest 
> build, that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not 
> tested all the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, 
> it’s very noticeable on my IPhone 6S.
> 
> I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.
> 
> I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
> happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.
> 
> Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
> don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the Messages 
> app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either of those, 
> the problem doesn’t seem to go away.
> 
> Chris.
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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I have not seen this problem. Although, I have a 6+ S.

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> On 25 Jan 2016, at 4:05 am, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I see. It was not clear. No I have not seen this myself.
> 
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>> On 1/24/2016 7:58 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> What about the speech rate.  That's not the issue.  When Voiceover speaks, 
>> it's fine.  It just takes forever when moving around the screen for VO to 
>> catch up.
>> 
>> It's seeming to gradually be improving, but it's still not great.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Speech rate?
>>> 
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 On 1/24/2016 6:23 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
 Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, 
 and no, I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official 
 latest build, that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  
 I’ve not tested all the voices, but at least with the high quality female 
 Siri voice, it’s very noticeable on my IPhone 6S.
 
 I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.
 
 I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although 
 it’s happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.
 
 Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
 don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the 
 Messages app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either 
 of those, the problem doesn’t seem to go away.
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[E.T.]

   Speech rate?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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On 1/24/2016 6:23 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and no, 
I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest build, 
that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not tested all 
the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, it’s very 
noticeable on my IPhone 6S.

I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.

I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.

Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the Messages 
app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either of those, the 
problem doesn’t seem to go away.

Chris.



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Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks very very much. I will try this later today. Didn't know about that 
option in access ability. Again, I am grateful Thuy.

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> On 24 Jan 2016, at 9:33 pm, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal. One workaround for this is to go into 
> settings/general/accessibility/call audio routing and setting it to bluetooth 
> rather than auto. If you don't have the bluetooth headset switched on, the 
> audio still goes through the phone's earpiece as usual, but if the bluetooth 
> headset is on, you can use them to make the call as expected. Hope this helps?
> Cheers
> Thuy
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>> On 24 Jan 2016, at 21:05, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the but is still there.  I tried it after the latest update.
>> 
>> Thanks for reporting it if you have.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 24 Jan 2016, at 18:30, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kawal,
>>>   If you mean the Bluetooth connection is lost when a call is made, yeah. I 
>>> was not even aware it was a bug for I kept forgetting to look into it. Is 
>>> it still present in cersion 9.2.1? I am afraid to try it. Its time to send 
>>> a note to Apple and remind them. I will do that right now.
>>> 
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 On 1/23/2016 10:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 Morning All, or whatever the day may be for you all.
 
 I hope those of you who are in the affected areas of the US are safe
 with the weather being what it is with the lizards etc.
 
 I notice from all the IOS updates, the headphone bug which Jonathan
 Mosen went in to details when he did his first podcast on the new IOS
 when it came out last September or October still hasn’t been fixed.  I
 am very surprised that Apple haven’t managed to fix it yet.  It’s
 frustrating that I can’t make any voice calls using my new Aftershokz
 Bluez Sports.  By the way, I like the new model of headset.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Braille on the Mac

[Jeff Berwick]

Thanks Erick.  We have a braille, but she needs to transmit it 
electronically...The search continues...

Thx,
Jeff

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:13 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
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> Well, no but neither would perkyduck.  They're just keyboards.  That would be 
> great for her own practice, but wouldn't give her visual representations of 
> dots.  Duxbury would automatically translate to braille on windows.  Louis or 
> Brailleblaster would do on mac, but that would be kind'a cheeting.  You know, 
> the very best thing for this purpose would be to loan or buy a perkins 
> brailler.  Vision aids sometimes has used ones on consignment.  They often 
> appear on blindbst and free enterprise as well for between $250 and $350.  
> Also, if she is still doing work for the Helen Keller centre, they may have a 
> perkins they would be willing to loan out to her for a few weeks.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
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> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has 
>> to be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erik Burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi jeff,,
>>> 
>>> Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
>>> mbraille on IOS.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from TypeApp 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to send 
>>> braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury Perky 
>>> Duck, but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody have any 
>>> suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to accomplish this 
>>> task?
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[erik burggraaf]

Well, I have a direct link.  It may not be "the" direct link, but since it's 
been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try this.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip 


Ejjoy,

Erik Burggraaf


> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
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> Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app for 
> the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps trying to 
> direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last time I did, I 
> got quite a bit of malware.
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> Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.
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RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Kawal, E.T., and Everyone,

Perhaps this is a brand-specific bug?  

I have absolutely no problem making, receiving, or switching between telephone 
calls using my Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth earpiece.  I am running iOS 
9.2.1 on an iPhone 6 Plus.

Also, I have checked with a couple of people who are running the Plantronics 
Voyager Legend models on 9.2.1 and they, too, report no problems.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 1:06 PM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Yes, the but is still there.  I tried it after the latest update.

Thanks for reporting it if you have.

Kawal.
On 24 Jan 2016, at 18:30, E.T.  wrote:

Kawal,
  If you mean the Bluetooth connection is lost when a call is made, yeah. I was 
not even aware it was a bug for I kept forgetting to look into it. Is it still 
present in cersion 9.2.1? I am afraid to try it. Its time to send a note to 
Apple and remind them. I will do that right now.

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On 1/23/2016 10:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Morning All, or whatever the day may be for you all.

I hope those of you who are in the affected areas of the US are safe
with the weather being what it is with the lizards etc.

I notice from all the IOS updates, the headphone bug which Jonathan
Mosen went in to details when he did his first podcast on the new IOS
when it came out last September or October still hasn’t been fixed.  I
am very surprised that Apple haven’t managed to fix it yet.  It’s
frustrating that I can’t make any voice calls using my new Aftershokz
Bluez Sports.  By the way, I like the new model of headset.

Thanks.

Kawal.
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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[Chris Gilland]

OK, that must have been it then.  I tried again, and this time, it worked.

Thank you.  I very much appreciate you uploading that for me.

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:29 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
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> It might take a few minutes to wend it's way up to the cloud.  My internet is 
> slow.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Chris Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Lovely!  Error 404.  We can’t find the file.
>> 
>> That’s pretty.  LOL!  Just kidding.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM, erik burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I have a direct link.  It may not be "the" direct link, but since 
>>> it's been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try this.
>>> 
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ejjoy,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland > wrote:
 
 Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app 
 for the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps 
 trying to direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last 
 time I did, I got quite a bit of malware.
 
 Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.
 
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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[Singing Sparrow]

what is simply burns?


On 1/24/2016 8:33 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
OK, that must have been it then.  I tried again, and this time, it 
worked.


Thank you.  I very much appreciate you uploading that for me.

Chris.

On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:29 PM, erik burggraaf > wrote:


It might take a few minutes to wend it's way up to the cloud.  My 
internet is slow.


Best,

Erik Burggraaf


On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Chris Gilland > wrote:


Lovely!  Error 404.  We can’t find the file.

That’s pretty.  LOL!  Just kidding.

Chris.

On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM, erik burggraaf 
> wrote:


Well, I have a direct link.  It may not be "the" direct link, but 
since it's been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try 
this.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip

Ejjoy,

Erik Burggraaf


On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland > wrote:


Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the 
Simplyburns app for the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every 
time I do, it keeps trying to direct me back to Softpedia which I 
don’t want to use.  Last time I did, I got quite a bit of malware.


Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.

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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[E.T.]

   I see. It was not clear. No I have not seen this myself.

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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/24/2016 7:58 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:

What about the speech rate.  That's not the issue.  When Voiceover speaks, it's 
fine.  It just takes forever when moving around the screen for VO to catch up.

It's seeming to gradually be improving, but it's still not great.

Chris.


On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   Speech rate?

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On 1/24/2016 6:23 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and no, 
I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest build, 
that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not tested all 
the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, it’s very 
noticeable on my IPhone 6S.

I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.

I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.

Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the Messages 
app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either of those, the 
problem doesn’t seem to go away.

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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[erik burggraaf]

It's a very old but fully accessible and fully featured cd writing program for 
times when you want to do something not covered by finder.  I don't burn cd's 
that much any more, but it still serves me very well for the odd time.

Best,

Erik
Erik Burggraaf


> On Jan 24, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> what is simply burns?
> 
> 
> On 1/24/2016 8:33 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> OK, that must have been it then.  I tried again, and this time, it worked.
>> 
>> Thank you.  I very much appreciate you uploading that for me.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:29 PM, erik burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It might take a few minutes to wend it's way up to the cloud.  My internet 
>>> is slow.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Chris Gilland > wrote:
 
 Lovely!  Error 404.  We can’t find the file.
 
 That’s pretty.  LOL!  Just kidding.
 
 Chris.
 
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM, erik burggraaf < 
> e...@erik-burggraaf.com 
> > wrote:
> 
> Well, I have a direct link.  It may not be "the" direct link, but since 
> it's been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try this.
> 
>  
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip
>  
> 
> Ejjoy,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland < 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns 
>> app for the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps 
>> trying to direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last 
>> time I did, I got quite a bit of malware.
>> 
>> Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Link to Simplyburns?

[Chris Gilland]

Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app for 
the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps trying to 
direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last time I did, I got 
quite a bit of malware.

Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.

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Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and no, 
I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest build, 
that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not tested all 
the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, it’s very 
noticeable on my IPhone 6S.

I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.

I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.

Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the Messages 
app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either of those, the 
problem doesn’t seem to go away.

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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

What about the speech rate.  That's not the issue.  When Voiceover speaks, it's 
fine.  It just takes forever when moving around the screen for VO to catch up.

It's seeming to gradually be improving, but it's still not great.

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Speech rate?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
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> 
> On 1/24/2016 6:23 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and 
>> no, I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest 
>> build, that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not 
>> tested all the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, 
>> it’s very noticeable on my IPhone 6S.
>> 
>> I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.
>> 
>> I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
>> happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.
>> 
>> Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
>> don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the 
>> Messages app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either 
>> of those, the problem doesn’t seem to go away.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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I know I've discussed this previously

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi all!
I know I've discussed this previously but I need help with pages templates.
I have not really pursued this till now but I am going to need to create and 
use templates in pages to get some work done.
If I go to pages and open a template, let's say business envelope, I see things 
that say place holder and other text that seems to be part of the template.  
How can I tell where to type in relation to the place holder?  What would be 
the easiest way to tell if the formatting is as I think it should be?  Will 
that place holder info print as part of my envelope or will it not be 
printable?  I realize this is basic information but I can't seem to grasp using 
templates.  I like other aspects of using pages but this seems to be beyond me.
Also, does anybody know of any info on using tables in pages or is it just 
trial and error?  If I specify a cell size will the text expand that cell or 
stop when the cell is full?

I wonder if this is something that apple accessibility might be able to help 
with.
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Frustration with AccessNote

[Jim Gatteys]

It is by Voice Dream and is called writer.  There is reader and writer.  A 
great software package.

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> i went there and put in writer in the search field and found nothing like 
> that.
> 
> by the way i did this before you told me to go find it in the app store.
> 
> so again how do i find the writter?
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> it is in the app store for iOS
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
>>> 
>>> where do i go to find writer please
>>> 
>>> thanks
 On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
 
 Thanks, Jim, for the input.
 
 I recently purchased Writer but hadn’t started using it. Based on my 
 negative experience with AccessNote, I wish that I had started using 
 Writer earlier. I am usually reluctant to criticize an app in a public 
 forum, preferring instead to first see if the problem isn’t at my end, 
 i.e. that I am missing something basic.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the tip about using Writer.  I’ll start using it today.
 
 Mike
 
 
> On 22,Jan,2016, at 23:07, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Hey Mike!
> I don't know about the app you mentioned but if it doesn't work, give 
> "writer" from voice dream a try.  Its a cool accessible app.
> Jim
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> The American Foundation for the Blind created a simple wordprocessing 
>> program called AccessNote, and this is the app to which my subject line 
>> is referring.
>> 
>> Yesterday, I spent several hours taking some notes on a book I was 
>> reading, and to do this, I used AccessNote.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I lost all of my work and can’t figure out how this 
>> happened.
>> 
>> I read the manual a couple of times, but I never encountered a section 
>> where saving files is discussed.  In the past, I have “saved” files by 
>> renaming my title.
>> 
>> So here are my questions:
>> 
>> 1. How does one go about saving files.  In order to forestall a similar 
>> frustration in the future, I’d like to be able to save my work every ten 
>> minutes or so.
>> 
>> 2.  Is there any way to recover “lost” files?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Surrender.  Just choose to “Install tonight”.  It’ll update, but now you don’t 
have to be there to watch it happen, and get all angry about it.  It’ll all be 
over when you next look.  Apple wins.  Again.

The license agreement shows up just before it commences the install, so 
presumably you’ll just be asked again to accept it, just before the install, 
when you are next prompted.  It’s a nice thought though that Apple might 
considerately avoid asking you again if you should disagree.  But this is 
Apple, so, I’m not very optimistic about it.

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Re: Connecting external mic

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Did you visit System Preferences, Sound, Input tab, and make sure that the 
audio is set for use as Line In?  Obviously, the audio output from the mic will 
need to be good enough for you to hear it if you’re going to use VO during this 
process.  But once it’s done, now you should have (line-level, not mic-level) 
input on your audio jack, and speaker output as usual.

For plug-in microphone operation, get an additional sound card or mic.  Macs 
don’t (and, owing to their close connection to the professional market, 
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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

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If restarting the phone normally and leaving it overnight doesn’t work, just 
force reset it (Home+Power for 10 seconds).  That should kick Spotlight into 
obedience.  Sometimes it happens that the mds process gets seriously stuck and 
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Re: Clean Install or Not

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I’m surprised that Time Machine wasn’t more vocal about the fact that it 
couldn’t connect to the resource.  Is it a notebook?  It’s usually quite 
persistent when things go wrong, but perhaps it was just hoping you’d reconnect 
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Re: I know I've discussed this previously

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jim,

I almost didn’t read your message because the subject line did not reference 
Pages.

If your needs aren’t very urgent, my husband and I have a book coming out 
fairly soon on Pages with VoiceOver and it will answer all your questions.

There are problems currently with placeholder text and VoiceOver. Just using 
the right or left arrows should highlight placeholder text but this is not 
working properly with the current version of Pages and El Capitan. You need to 
turn VoiceOver off before selecting the placeholder text and then turn 
VoiceOver back on again. Obviously, I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 24 Jan 2016, at 14:20, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
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> Hi all!
> I know I've discussed this previously but I need help with pages templates.
> I have not really pursued this till now but I am going to need to create and 
> use templates in pages to get some work done.
> If I go to pages and open a template, let's say business envelope, I see 
> things that say place holder and other text that seems to be part of the 
> template.  How can I tell where to type in relation to the place holder?  
> What would be the easiest way to tell if the formatting is as I think it 
> should be?  Will that place holder info print as part of my envelope or will 
> it not be printable?  I realize this is basic information but I can't seem to 
> grasp using templates.  I like other aspects of using pages but this seems to 
> be beyond me.
> Also, does anybody know of any info on using tables in pages or is it just 
> trial and error?  If I specify a cell size will the text expand that cell or 
> stop when the cell is full?
> 
> I wonder if this is something that apple accessibility might be able to help 
> with.
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Re: VMWare version for latest macbook pro

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,

Version 8 is the latest version  should work for you.

Matthew



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Re: Braille on the Mac

[erik burggraaf]

Well, no but neither would perkyduck.  They're just keyboards.  That would be 
great for her own practice, but wouldn't give her visual representations of 
dots.  Duxbury would automatically translate to braille on windows.  Louis or 
Brailleblaster would do on mac, but that would be kind'a cheeting.  You know, 
the very best thing for this purpose would be to loan or buy a perkins 
brailler.  Vision aids sometimes has used ones on consignment.  They often 
appear on blindbst and free enterprise as well for between $250 and $350.  
Also, if she is still doing work for the Helen Keller centre, they may have a 
perkins they would be willing to loan out to her for a few weeks.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


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> Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has to 
> be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erik Burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi jeff,,
>> 
>> Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
>> mbraille on IOS.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from TypeApp 
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>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
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>> 
>> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to send 
>> braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury Perky 
>> Duck, but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody have any 
>> suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to accomplish this 
>> task?
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>> Tia,
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

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Hi Anders,

My iPod behaves the same way.  the thing is that even if you update manually, 
the update is still downloaded, whether or not you decide to install it.  the 
download is what my friend wanted to stop, because it was eating through his 
data.
Cheers,
Donna
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> Hi!
> Actually my Iphone was updated without my knowledge but my Ipod Touch 5th gen 
> was Updated by me.
> Not fun at all as there are glitches with this update too.
> /A
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>> 
>> Hey Donna,
>> 
>> My bad. I did miss the fact that your friend is using a cellular provider as 
>> his ISP.
>> 
>> Blocking all Apple domains at the router level definitely should do the 
>> trick, but he may wish to test his devices as I’d guess tons of other 
>> critical Apple services won’t work either. I wonder if there’s a subdomain 
>> he could block instead that might not be so drastic. It certainly would be 
>> nice to have a way of turning off automatic downloads of iOS updates.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Grant,
>>> 
>>> With all due respect, read the earlier messages in this thread.  The 
>>> problem is that my friend's cellular provider is also his ISP.  He has a 
>>> shared data pool for both wifi and cellular.  So theoretically, yes, he 
>>> could run around the house every night turning wifi off on all his devices 
>>> so that nothing ever downloaded, but that's a really dumb solution to a 
>>> problem that wouldn't exist were Apple not trying to force people into 
>>> something they didn't want to do.  Actually, Sabahattin's article helped.  
>>> What my friend did do was block all Apple domains from his home IP.  It's a 
>>> pretty radical solution that should not be necessary, but hopefully one 
>>> that will work for him.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Braille on the Mac

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Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has to 
be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.

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> Hi jeff,,
> 
> Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
> mbraille on IOS.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> Sent from TypeApp 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to send 
> braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury Perky Duck, 
> but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody have any 
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> Jeff
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Actually my Iphone was updated without my knowledge but my Ipod Touch 5th gen 
was Updated by me.
Not fun at all as there are glitches with this update too.
/A
> On 21 Jan 2016, at 05:44, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hey Donna,
> 
> My bad. I did miss the fact that your friend is using a cellular provider as 
> his ISP.
> 
> Blocking all Apple domains at the router level definitely should do the 
> trick, but he may wish to test his devices as I’d guess tons of other 
> critical Apple services won’t work either. I wonder if there’s a subdomain he 
> could block instead that might not be so drastic. It certainly would be nice 
> to have a way of turning off automatic downloads of iOS updates.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Grant
> 
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Grant,
>> 
>> With all due respect, read the earlier messages in this thread.  The problem 
>> is that my friend's cellular provider is also his ISP.  He has a shared data 
>> pool for both wifi and cellular.  So theoretically, yes, he could run around 
>> the house every night turning wifi off on all his devices so that nothing 
>> ever downloaded, but that's a really dumb solution to a problem that 
>> wouldn't exist were Apple not trying to force people into something they 
>> didn't want to do.  Actually, Sabahattin's article helped.  What my friend 
>> did do was block all Apple domains from his home IP.  It's a pretty radical 
>> solution that should not be necessary, but hopefully one that will work for 
>> him.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[John Panarese]

   I have not been following this thread entirely, but this setting is now in 
the Security and Privacy preferences of System Preferences in the Privacy tab. 
You have to enable Assistive devices there.


Take Care

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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
>> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies over 
>> there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
>> 
>> Sharon H.
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
>>> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
>>> since then.
>>>  
>>> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
>>> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
>>> on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>>>  
>>> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message saying 
>>> I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the checkbox to 
>>> enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  Well, 
>>> obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access.  Yeah, 
>>> under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even under there, 
>>> none of the categories within the table give you the option to allow access 
>>> to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in that message given 
>>> by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue anyway, to quit, or of 
>>> corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely no good in this case.
>>>  
>>> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
>>> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
>>> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
>>> the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
>>> even think the About window is even popping up, period.
>>>  
>>> Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
>>> just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
>>>  
>>> Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, I'm 
>>> probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, they 
>>> were incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for the mac 
>>> client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  The pdf 
>>> for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, I'd have to 
>>> find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
>>>  
>>> When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
>>> could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
>>> doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
>>> staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that mind, 
>>> not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't even 
>>> know it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with came 
>>> back on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, 
>>> right?  I'm like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  
>>> She's like, oh, I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much 
>>> newer.
>>>  
>>> Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
>>>  
>>> I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
>>> work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing your books on the mac, 
>>> or do you simply not.  Yeah, I have both my IPhone, and my Nexus 6, and 
>>> both on the Apple side of things with Voiceover, as well as on the Android 
>>> side with Talkback, things in both cases seem to work quite well, but it 
>>> would be nice to not always have to rely on a mobile device just to listen 
>>> to things.  Ya know?  Yeah, I also do have my Bard Enhanced NLS player, but 
>>> again, I might not always want to rely on that thing.
>>>  
>>> Suggestions, aside from the obvious of screaming at the top of my lungs?
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

I wish I’d gotten help a bit sooner, admittedly, but that said, yes, Grant did 
direct me to that very place in his e-mail.  Things are absolutely working 
perfectly now!  I just hope that they’re not going to do away with the Book 
Manager on the mac side of things like they clamed they were going to do.

If this is what is making them decide not to continue it, then we all as 
members need to call them first thing on Monday, and let them know to update 
the outdated documentation, and not pull it at a future date.  Truth be, once 
you authorize the app, even in El Capitan, it works phenomenally!

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:43 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I have not been following this thread entirely, but this setting is now in 
> the Security and Privacy preferences of System Preferences in the Privacy 
> tab. You have to enable Assistive devices there.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
>> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
>> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies 
>>> over there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Guys,
 
 I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
 for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
 since then.
 
 I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
 know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
 on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
 
 After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message 
 saying I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the 
 checkbox to enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  
 Well, obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access. 
  Yeah, under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even 
 under there, none of the categories within the table give you the option 
 to allow access to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in 
 that message given by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue 
 anyway, to quit, or of corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely 
 no good in this case.
 
 If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
 which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
 nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
 the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
 even think the About window is even popping up, period.
 
 Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
 just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
 
 Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, 
 I'm probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, 
 they were incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for 
 the mac client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  
 The pdf for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, 
 I'd have to find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
 
 When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
 could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
 doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
 staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that 
 mind, not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't 
 even know it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with 
 came back on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, 
 right?  I'm like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  
 She's like, oh, I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much 
 newer.
 
 Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
 
 I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
 work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing 

Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

Normally, yes, I’d agree.  The only reason I don’t agree with you in this one 
case is, I think it’s needing to somehow grab API’s from both Voiceover and 
from, most likely, Apple Script.  It can’t do that though being those are 
different components than what are built into the app to start with.  For this 
reason, OSX is actually doing you a favor by not allowing it by default.

I see where you’re coming from, trust me, I do.  Again, in most 99.999 cases, 
I’d agree with you whole heartedly.

I’d beg to say in this case though, it’s most likely a harmless thing.  Now, 
that also being said, why Learning Alley in the first place thought they had to 
make the app this way?  I’m sure there is a reason we don’t get, but I agree it 
seems a little odd.

Anyway, I’m not the programmer, so who am I to judge?

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  > wrote:
> 
>> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies over 
>> there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
>> 
>> Sharon H.
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
>>> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
>>> since then.
>>>  
>>> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
>>> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
>>> on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>>>  
>>> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message saying 
>>> I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the checkbox to 
>>> enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  Well, 
>>> obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access.  Yeah, 
>>> under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even under there, 
>>> none of the categories within the table give you the option to allow access 
>>> to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in that message given 
>>> by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue anyway, to quit, or of 
>>> corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely no good in this case.
>>>  
>>> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
>>> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
>>> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
>>> the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
>>> even think the About window is even popping up, period.
>>>  
>>> Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
>>> just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
>>>  
>>> Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, I'm 
>>> probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, they 
>>> were incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for the mac 
>>> client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  The pdf 
>>> for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, I'd have to 
>>> find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
>>>  
>>> When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
>>> could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
>>> doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
>>> staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that mind, 
>>> not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't even 
>>> know it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with came 
>>> back on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, 
>>> right?  I'm like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  
>>> She's like, oh, I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much 
>>> newer.
>>>  
>>> Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
>>>  
>>> I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
>>> work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing your books on the mac, 
>>> or do you simply not.  Yeah, I have both my IPhone, and my Nexus 6, and 
>>> both on the Apple side of things with Voiceover, as well as on the Android 
>>> side with Talkback, things in both cases seem to work quite well, but it 
>>> would be nice to not always have to rely on a mobile device just to listen 
>>> to things.  Ya know?  Yeah, I also do have my Bard Enhanced 

Re: Clean Install or Not

[E.T.]

   Me too! Its a Macbook Pro. Normally I do not see anything because 
its on auto pilot. But the last step I took, or so I thought, was to 
manually start a backup. Well, it just made more work for me after I had 
spent time updating apps and cleaning house.


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On 1/24/2016 7:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I’m surprised that Time Machine wasn’t more vocal about the fact that it 
couldn’t connect to the resource.  Is it a notebook?  It’s usually quite 
persistent when things go wrong, but perhaps it was just hoping you’d reconnect 
to the relevant network so it could resume at some point.



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Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[E.T.]

Kawal,
   If you mean the Bluetooth connection is lost when a call is made, 
yeah. I was not even aware it was a bug for I kept forgetting to look 
into it. Is it still present in cersion 9.2.1? I am afraid to try it. 
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On 1/23/2016 10:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Morning All, or whatever the day may be for you all.

I hope those of you who are in the affected areas of the US are safe
with the weather being what it is with the lizards etc.

I notice from all the IOS updates, the headphone bug which Jonathan
Mosen went in to details when he did his first podcast on the new IOS
when it came out last September or October still hasn’t been fixed.  I
am very surprised that Apple haven’t managed to fix it yet.  It’s
frustrating that I can’t make any voice calls using my new Aftershokz
Bluez Sports.  By the way, I like the new model of headset.

Thanks.

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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is inexcusable 
that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also consider this a 
security risk that this needs to be enabled. 


Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies over 
> there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as  I've not been current now 
>> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed since 
>> then.
>>  
>> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
>> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them on 
>> my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>>  
>> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message saying 
>> I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the checkbox to 
>> enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  Well, 
>> obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access.  Yeah, 
>> under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even under there, 
>> none of the categories within the table give you the option to allow access 
>> to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in that message given 
>> by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue anyway, to quit, or of 
>> corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely no good in this case.
>>  
>> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
>> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
>> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
>> the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
>> even think the About window is even popping up, period.
>>  
>> Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
>> just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
>>  
>> Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, I'm 
>> probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, they were 
>> incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for the mac 
>> client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  The pdf 
>> for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, I'd have to 
>> find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
>>  
>> When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
>> could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
>> doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
>> staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that mind, 
>> not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't even know 
>> it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with came back 
>> on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, right?  I'm 
>> like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  She's like, oh, 
>> I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much newer.
>>  
>> Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
>>  
>> I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
>> work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing your books on the mac, 
>> or do you simply not.  Yeah, I have both my IPhone, and my Nexus 6, and both 
>> on the Apple side of things with Voiceover, as well as on the Android side 
>> with Talkback, things in both cases seem to work quite well, but it would be 
>> nice to not always have to rely on a mobile device just to listen to things. 
>>  Ya know?  Yeah, I also do have my Bard Enhanced NLS player, but again, I 
>> might not always want to rely on that thing.
>>  
>> Suggestions, aside from the obvious of screaming at the top of my lungs?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Learning Ally

[Chris Gilland]

Ben wrote:

One thing that we must now do is to make the company know full well that they 
must not get rid of this piece of software. All that they need to do is to 
update their documentation

I agree with you, Ben, 100%!

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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Brent Harding]

I thought I remember back in those early days that it was recommended to turn 
that preference on if you were going to use VO. I think some of that kind of 
thing might come down to a copyright thing to make sure that only blind people 
can use the app. If they use the api's directly instead of making a normal app, 
they can make sure the wrong people hopefully don't use it, but then if they 
don't have a login and password, there'd be no way for them to download.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager


  Normally, yes, I’d agree.  The only reason I don’t agree with you in this one 
case is, I think it’s needing to somehow grab API’s from both Voiceover and 
from, most likely, Apple Script.  It can’t do that though being those are 
different components than what are built into the app to start with.  For this 
reason, OSX is actually doing you a favor by not allowing it by default.


  I see where you’re coming from, trust me, I do.  Again, in most 99.999 cases, 
I’d agree with you whole heartedly.


  I’d beg to say in this case though, it’s most likely a harmless thing.  Now, 
that also being said, why Learning Alley in the first place thought they had to 
make the app this way?  I’m sure there is a reason we don’t get, but I agree it 
seems a little odd.


  Anyway, I’m not the programmer, so who am I to judge?


  Chris.


On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:


This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 



Jonathan Cohn 

On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:


  I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies 
over there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.

  Sharon H.

  On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current 
now for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
since then.

I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  
I know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them on 
my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.

After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message 
saying I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the checkbox 
to enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  Well, 
obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access.  Yeah, 
under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even under there, 
none of the categories within the table give you the option to allow access to 
assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in that message given by the 
Book Manager.  I have an option to continue anyway, to quit, or of corse, to 
open System Prefs, which does absolutely no good in this case.

If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen 
of which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of the 
manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly even 
think the About window is even popping up, period.

Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as 
I just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.

Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, 
I'm probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, they 
were incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for the mac 
client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  The pdf for 
the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, I'd have to find a 
way to O C R the blasted thing.

When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support 
that could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on staff 
at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that mind, not only 
this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't even know it existed. 
 Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with came back on the line and 
goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, right?  I'm like, uh... Not? 
freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  She's like, oh, I didn't realize 
they'd come out with something so much newer.

Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.

I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have 

Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

I was gonna say.  If they don’t have a login, then how could they use the app 
anyway?

Setting configured or not?

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I thought I remember back in those early days that it was recommended to turn 
> that preference on if you were going to use VO. I think some of that kind of 
> thing might come down to a copyright thing to make sure that only blind 
> people can use the app. If they use the api's directly instead of making a 
> normal app, they can make sure the wrong people hopefully don't use it, but 
> then if they don't have a login and password, there'd be no way for them to 
> download.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Chris Gilland 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager
>> 
>> Normally, yes, I’d agree.  The only reason I don’t agree with you in this 
>> one case is, I think it’s needing to somehow grab API’s from both Voiceover 
>> and from, most likely, Apple Script.  It can’t do that though being those 
>> are different components than what are built into the app to start with.  
>> For this reason, OSX is actually doing you a favor by not allowing it by 
>> default.
>> 
>> I see where you’re coming from, trust me, I do.  Again, in most 99.999 
>> cases, I’d agree with you whole heartedly.
>> 
>> I’d beg to say in this case though, it’s most likely a harmless thing.  Now, 
>> that also being said, why Learning Alley in the first place thought they had 
>> to make the app this way?  I’m sure there is a reason we don’t get, but I 
>> agree it seems a little odd.
>> 
>> Anyway, I’m not the programmer, so who am I to judge?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
>>> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
>>> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies 
 over there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
 
 Sharon H.
 
 On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 > wrote:
 
> Guys,
>  
> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
> since then.
>  
> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
> on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>  
> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message 
> saying I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the 
> checkbox to enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  
> Well, obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal 
> Access.  Yeah, under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but 
> even under there, none of the categories within the table give you the 
> option to allow access to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 
> buttons in that message given by the Book Manager.  I have an option to   
>continue anyway, to quit, or of corse, to open System Prefs, which 
> does absolutely no good in this case.
>  
> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version 
> of the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't 
> honestly even think the About window is even popping up, period.
>  
> Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
> just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
>  
> Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, 
> I'm probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, 
> they were incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for 
> the mac client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true. 
>  The pdf for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, 
> I'd have to find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
>  
> When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
> could help me with the mac side of things, they 

Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Grant]

I don’t think this preference has to do with VO, despite being labelled as 
“accessibility”. In fact, I don’t believe it has anything to do with whether or 
not an app is going to be accessible, or with what we normally consider to be 
“accessibility features".

I think this setting simply authorizes, or not, apps to control your computer 
using certain scripts and commands which happen to also be used for 
accessibility purposes. The setting would probably be less confusing if the 
word “accessibility” was taken out of the name, and it was renamed something 
like “advanced control” or something much more generic.

Here are a couple examples of what I mean:

-Karabiner, an app many of us use to remap keys on our keyboards, supports 
per-application key mappings. It it needs access to those accessibility 
permissions  in order to do things like observe when the window title changes. 
Regardless of who uses Karabiner, they need to grant those permissions in order 
for the app to work correctly.

-Dropbox also requests access to these controls. I’m not sure what it uses them 
for, but you can find much discussion about this on Dropbox’s forums.

Here’s a slightly outdated Apple support article explaining these controls: 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202802

Now, why a book management application needs access to these features is a bit 
beyond me, but I’m sure it serves some purposes. Hope this all makes sense!

Grant

On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Brent Harding  wrote:

I thought I remember back in those early days that it was recommended to turn 
that preference on if you were going to use VO. I think some of that kind of 
thing might come down to a copyright thing to make sure that only blind people 
can use the app. If they use the api's directly instead of making a normal app, 
they can make sure the wrong people hopefully don't use it, but then if they 
don't have a login and password, there'd be no way for them to download.
 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Chris Gilland 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager
> 
> Normally, yes, I’d agree.  The only reason I don’t agree with you in this one 
> case is, I think it’s needing to somehow grab API’s from both Voiceover and 
> from, most likely, Apple Script.  It can’t do that though being those are 
> different components than what are built into the app to start with.  For 
> this reason, OSX is actually doing you a favor by not allowing it by default.
> 
> I see where you’re coming from, trust me, I do.  Again, in most 99.999 cases, 
> I’d agree with you whole heartedly.
> 
> I’d beg to say in this case though, it’s most likely a harmless thing.  Now, 
> that also being said, why Learning Alley in the first place thought they had 
> to make the app this way?  I’m sure there is a reason we don’t get, but I 
> agree it seems a little odd.
> 
> Anyway, I’m not the programmer, so who am I to judge?
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
>> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
>> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies 
>>> over there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
 Guys,
  
 I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
 for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
 since then.
  
 I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
 know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
 on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
  
 After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message 
 saying I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the 
 checkbox to enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  
 Well, obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access. 
  Yeah, under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even 
 under there, none of the categories within the table give you the option 
 to allow access to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in 
 that message given by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue 
 anyway, to quit, or of corse, to 

Re: Connecting external mic

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, this is so lame!!! apple does so much to make their devices media 
friendly, and then makes the input/output jack virtually useless for anything 
other than their own headphones.  According to the Google gnomes, the only way 
I'm going to record on my MBA is to get a USB sound card or Mic.  GRRR.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:43 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Yes, there is something about how specific Mac models handle audio input. 
> You might need to call upon the Google search gnomes to research this.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Marshall Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm not exactly sure of the details but the 3.5 audio jack on Mac computers 
>> is different from other types of headsets.  I think it may have to do with 
>> the audio controls on the Apple headsets.
>> Marshall
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strange.  I just tried it with a second mic.  That one had separate jacks 
>>> for input and output.  When I plug in the output jack, everything behaves 
>>> as expected and the sound from the mac is routed through the headphones.  
>>> But when I plug in the input jack, I have the same problem as before.  Very 
>>> weird.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for trying to help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:32 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
  I’m not sure. I think it might depend on the Mac model and the type of 
 microphone, but I am far from an audio expert.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
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 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> No, it connects through the headphone jack.  Does it have to be USB?
> Donna
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> What kind is it? Is it USB?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
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>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
>>> Donna
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Re: Game tonight?

[ben J. Bloomgren]

> I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to the 
> Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 13:30, Chris 
> Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get which 
> will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I really don’t 
> care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just wanting to watch 
> this particular game.
> 
> Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
> wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
> 
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Re: Game tonight?

[Chris Gilland]

Yeah,

I’m not aware of anything either, Ben.  Anyway, now I’ve just gotta figure out 
what network on the radio down here is coverring it, as I don’t think WBT will. 
 Anyway, that’s for a discussion not on this list.  LOL!

GRR!  Go? Panthers!

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:09 PM, ben J. Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to the 
>> Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 13:30, Chris 
>> Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get 
>> which will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I 
>> really don’t care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just 
>> wanting to watch this particular game.
>> 
>> Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
>> wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: Game tonight?

[John Panarese]

   ESPN Radio or if you have a WFAN affiliate have been the ones covering the 
radio broadcasts of the playoff games.


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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Yeah,
> 
> I’m not aware of anything either, Ben.  Anyway, now I’ve just gotta figure 
> out what network on the radio down here is coverring it, as I don’t think WBT 
> will.  Anyway, that’s for a discussion not on this list.  LOL!
> 
> GRR!  Go? Panthers!
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:09 PM, ben J. Bloomgren  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to the 
>>> Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 13:30, 
>>> Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get 
>>> which will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I 
>>> really don’t care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just 
>>> wanting to watch this particular game.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
>>> wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
>>> 
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Game tonight?

[Chris Gilland]

Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get which 
will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I really don’t 
care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just wanting to watch this 
particular game.

Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.

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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

I have been thinking about this thread as I was talking to a friend who is on 
this list earlier on as he was helping me with my Draytech 330.  So my thought 
was you could not agree to the terms and conditions and then that may stop 
automatic download.

Kawal.
> On 24 Jan 2016, at 17:09, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> My iPod behaves the same way.  the thing is that even if you update manually, 
> the update is still downloaded, whether or not you decide to install it.  the 
> download is what my friend wanted to stop, because it was eating through his 
> data.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Actually my Iphone was updated without my knowledge but my Ipod Touch 5th 
>> gen was Updated by me.
>> Not fun at all as there are glitches with this update too.
>> /A
>>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 05:44, Grant >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Donna,
>>> 
>>> My bad. I did miss the fact that your friend is using a cellular provider 
>>> as his ISP.
>>> 
>>> Blocking all Apple domains at the router level definitely should do the 
>>> trick, but he may wish to test his devices as I’d guess tons of other 
>>> critical Apple services won’t work either. I wonder if there’s a subdomain 
>>> he could block instead that might not be so drastic. It certainly would be 
>>> nice to have a way of turning off automatic downloads of iOS updates.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Grant
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Grant,
 
 With all due respect, read the earlier messages in this thread.  The 
 problem is that my friend's cellular provider is also his ISP.  He has a 
 shared data pool for both wifi and cellular.  So theoretically, yes, he 
 could run around the house every night turning wifi off on all his devices 
 so that nothing ever downloaded, but that's a really dumb solution to a 
 problem that wouldn't exist were Apple not trying to force people into 
 something they didn't want to do.  Actually, Sabahattin's article helped.  
 What my friend did do was block all Apple domains from his home IP.  It's 
 a pretty radical solution that should not be necessary, but hopefully one 
 that will work for him.
 Cheers,
 Donna
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Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Yes, the but is still there.  I tried it after the latest update.

Thanks for reporting it if you have.

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> On 24 Jan 2016, at 18:30, E.T.  wrote:
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> Kawal,
>   If you mean the Bluetooth connection is lost when a call is made, yeah. I 
> was not even aware it was a bug for I kept forgetting to look into it. Is it 
> still present in cersion 9.2.1? I am afraid to try it. Its time to send a 
> note to Apple and remind them. I will do that right now.
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> On 1/23/2016 10:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
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>> 
>> I hope those of you who are in the affected areas of the US are safe
>> with the weather being what it is with the lizards etc.
>> 
>> I notice from all the IOS updates, the headphone bug which Jonathan
>> Mosen went in to details when he did his first podcast on the new IOS
>> when it came out last September or October still hasn’t been fixed.  I
>> am very surprised that Apple haven’t managed to fix it yet.  It’s
>> frustrating that I can’t make any voice calls using my new Aftershokz
>> Bluez Sports.  By the way, I like the new model of headset.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: trying to use an external microphone with my MBA for the first time

[John Panarese]

   Basic question, but did you try restarting the machine after connecting it?


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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> I'm trying to connect an external mic to my MBA.  When the mic is connected, 
> the MBA seems to be trying to route the output through the mic, but not 
> recognizing it as an input source.  When I select the input tab in System 
> Prefs, the only option I see is the internal mic.  Anyone know what might be 
> going on and/or what I need to do to fix it?
> TIA,
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Re: Connecting external mic

[John Panarese]

 I’m not sure. I think it might depend on the Mac model and the type of 
microphone, but I am far from an audio expert.


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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> No, it connects through the headphone jack.  Does it have to be USB?
> Donna
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>> OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
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Re: Connecting external mic

[Donna Goodin]

Strange.  I just tried it with a second mic.  That one had separate jacks for 
input and output.  When I plug in the output jack, everything behaves as 
expected and the sound from the mac is routed through the headphones.  But when 
I plug in the input jack, I have the same problem as before.  Very weird.

Thanks for trying to help.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:32 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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> I’m not sure. I think it might depend on the Mac model and the type of 
> microphone, but I am far from an audio expert.
> 
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>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> No, it connects through the headphone jack.  Does it have to be USB?
>> Donna
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>> What kind is it? Is it USB?
>>> 
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 OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
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Re: Connecting external mic

[Marshall Scott]

Hi,
I'm not exactly sure of the details but the 3.5 audio jack on Mac computers is 
different from other types of headsets.  I think it may have to do with the 
audio controls on the Apple headsets.
Marshall

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Strange.  I just tried it with a second mic.  That one had separate jacks for 
> input and output.  When I plug in the output jack, everything behaves as 
> expected and the sound from the mac is routed through the headphones.  But 
> when I plug in the input jack, I have the same problem as before.  Very weird.
> 
> Thanks for trying to help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:32 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>I’m not sure. I think it might depend on the Mac model and the type of 
>> microphone, but I am far from an audio expert.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
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>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>>> No, it connects through the headphone jack.  Does it have to be USB?
>>> Donna
 On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 What kind is it? Is it USB?
 
 
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> OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
> Donna
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trying to use an external microphone with my MBA for the first time

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I'm trying to connect an external mic to my MBA.  When the mic is connected, 
the MBA seems to be trying to route the output through the mic, but not 
recognizing it as an input source.  When I select the input tab in System 
Prefs, the only option I see is the internal mic.  Anyone know what might be 
going on and/or what I need to do to fix it?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: trying to use an external microphone with my MBA for the first time

[Donna Goodin]

No, didn't know I had to.  I'll give that a try.  
Thanks,
Donna
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>   Basic question, but did you try restarting the machine after connecting it?
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>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to connect an external mic to my MBA.  When the mic is connected, 
>> the MBA seems to be trying to route the output through the mic, but not 
>> recognizing it as an input source.  When I select the input tab in System 
>> Prefs, the only option I see is the internal mic.  Anyone know what might be 
>> going on and/or what I need to do to fix it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

[Donna Goodin]

That's an interesting idea.  So if you just caught it at the first announcement 
of the update and refused the terms, would it prevent the automatic download?  
It seems like that might actually work.  I'll suggest that my friend give it a 
try and report back.  That's a very creative solution! :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hello.
> 
> I have been thinking about this thread as I was talking to a friend who is on 
> this list earlier on as he was helping me with my Draytech 330.  So my 
> thought was you could not agree to the terms and conditions and then that may 
> stop automatic download.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Jan 2016, at 17:09, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> My iPod behaves the same way.  the thing is that even if you update 
>> manually, the update is still downloaded, whether or not you decide to 
>> install it.  the download is what my friend wanted to stop, because it was 
>> eating through his data.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Actually my Iphone was updated without my knowledge but my Ipod Touch 5th 
>>> gen was Updated by me.
>>> Not fun at all as there are glitches with this update too.
>>> /A
 On 21 Jan 2016, at 05:44, Grant > wrote:
 
 Hey Donna,
 
 My bad. I did miss the fact that your friend is using a cellular provider 
 as his ISP.
 
 Blocking all Apple domains at the router level definitely should do the 
 trick, but he may wish to test his devices as I’d guess tons of other 
 critical Apple services won’t work either. I wonder if there’s a subdomain 
 he could block instead that might not be so drastic. It certainly would be 
 nice to have a way of turning off automatic downloads of iOS updates.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Grant
 
 
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Grant,
> 
> With all due respect, read the earlier messages in this thread.  The 
> problem is that my friend's cellular provider is also his ISP.  He has a 
> shared data pool for both wifi and cellular.  So theoretically, yes, he 
> could run around the house every night turning wifi off on all his 
> devices so that nothing ever downloaded, but that's a really dumb 
> solution to a problem that wouldn't exist were Apple not trying to force 
> people into something they didn't want to do.  Actually, Sabahattin's 
> article helped.  What my friend did do was block all Apple domains from 
> his home IP.  It's a pretty radical solution that should not be 
> necessary, but hopefully one that will work for him.
> Cheers,
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Connecting external mic

[Donna Goodin]

OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
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Re: Connecting external mic

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  What kind is it? Is it USB?


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> OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
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Re: Connecting external mic

[Donna Goodin]

No, it connects through the headphone jack.  Does it have to be USB?
Donna
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>> OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
>> Donna
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Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Thuy Mallalieu]

Hi Kawal. One workaround for this is to go into 
settings/general/accessibility/call audio routing and setting it to bluetooth 
rather than auto. If you don't have the bluetooth headset switched on, the 
audio still goes through the phone's earpiece as usual, but if the bluetooth 
headset is on, you can use them to make the call as expected. Hope this helps?
Cheers
Thuy

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> On 24 Jan 2016, at 21:05, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Yes, the but is still there.  I tried it after the latest update.
> 
> Thanks for reporting it if you have.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Jan 2016, at 18:30, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Kawal,
>>   If you mean the Bluetooth connection is lost when a call is made, yeah. I 
>> was not even aware it was a bug for I kept forgetting to look into it. Is it 
>> still present in cersion 9.2.1? I am afraid to try it. Its time to send a 
>> note to Apple and remind them. I will do that right now.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 1/23/2016 10:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> Morning All, or whatever the day may be for you all.
>>> 
>>> I hope those of you who are in the affected areas of the US are safe
>>> with the weather being what it is with the lizards etc.
>>> 
>>> I notice from all the IOS updates, the headphone bug which Jonathan
>>> Mosen went in to details when he did his first podcast on the new IOS
>>> when it came out last September or October still hasn’t been fixed.  I
>>> am very surprised that Apple haven’t managed to fix it yet.  It’s
>>> frustrating that I can’t make any voice calls using my new Aftershokz
>>> Bluez Sports.  By the way, I like the new model of headset.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Connecting external mic

[John Panarese]

   Yes, there is something about how specific Mac models handle audio input. 
You might need to call upon the Google search gnomes to research this.


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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Marshall Scott  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I'm not exactly sure of the details but the 3.5 audio jack on Mac computers 
> is different from other types of headsets.  I think it may have to do with 
> the audio controls on the Apple headsets.
> Marshall
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Strange.  I just tried it with a second mic.  That one had separate jacks 
>> for input and output.  When I plug in the output jack, everything behaves as 
>> expected and the sound from the mac is routed through the headphones.  But 
>> when I plug in the input jack, I have the same problem as before.  Very 
>> weird.
>> 
>> Thanks for trying to help.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:32 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>>   I’m not sure. I think it might depend on the Mac model and the type of 
>>> microphone, but I am far from an audio expert.
>>> 
>>> 
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 On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 No, it connects through the headphone jack.  Does it have to be USB?
 Donna
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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> What kind is it? Is it USB?
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>> OK, I just tried restarting the Mac, still no joy.
>> Donna
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Re: Game tonight?

[Chris Gilland]

I’d assume that ESPN Radio’s not available for Apple TV4 though, or is it?

Chris.

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>   ESPN Radio or if you have a WFAN affiliate have been the ones covering the 
> radio broadcasts of the playoff games.
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>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah,
>> 
>> I’m not aware of anything either, Ben.  Anyway, now I’ve just gotta figure 
>> out what network on the radio down here is coverring it, as I don’t think 
>> WBT will.  Anyway, that’s for a discussion not on this list.  LOL!
>> 
>> GRR!  Go? Panthers!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:09 PM, ben J. Bloomgren  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to 
 the Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 13:30, 
 Chris Gilland  wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get 
 which will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I 
 really don’t care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just 
 wanting to watch this particular game.
 
 Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
 wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
 
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RE: Game tonight?

[BBS]

Hey Chris. If I want to watch sports which I rarely do seeing as how I have 
Sirius XM, I go to this website: www.goatd.net. I can find almost anything 
there from sports to even Pay Per View events. It may not work on your Apple TV 
because it uses flash but you can definitely give it a shot on your Mac.


Shawn
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Subject: Re: Game tonight?

I’d assume that ESPN Radio’s not available for Apple TV4 though, or is it?

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:17 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   ESPN Radio or if you have a WFAN affiliate have been the ones covering the 
> radio broadcasts of the playoff games.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah,
>> 
>> I’m not aware of anything either, Ben.  Anyway, now I’ve just gotta figure 
>> out what network on the radio down here is coverring it, as I don’t think 
>> WBT will.  Anyway, that’s for a discussion not on this list.  LOL!
>> 
>> GRR!  Go? Panthers!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:09 PM, ben J. Bloomgren  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to 
 the Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 13:30, 
 Chris Gilland  wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get 
 which will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I 
 really don’t care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just 
 wanting to watch this particular game.
 
 Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
 wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
 
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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

This is essentially correct. I would expect that Learning Ally wrote their 
program in Java or another cross platform language. And then discovered it 
didn't play nice with VoiceOver so a controller program was written with UI 
scripting  my concerns are if this often cross platform tools have more 
vulnerabilities and  especially concerns me that the program has not been 
updated in five years. 


Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think this preference has to do with VO, despite being labelled as 
> “accessibility”. In fact, I don’t believe it has anything to do with whether 
> or not an app is going to be accessible, or with what we normally consider to 
> be “accessibility features".
> 
> I think this setting simply authorizes, or not, apps to control your computer 
> using certain scripts and commands which happen to also be used for 
> accessibility purposes. The setting would probably be less confusing if the 
> word “accessibility” was taken out of the name, and it was renamed something 
> like “advanced control” or something much more generic.
> 
> Here are a couple examples of what I mean:
> 
> -Karabiner, an app many of us use to remap keys on our keyboards, supports 
> per-application key mappings. It it needs access to those accessibility 
> permissions  in order to do things like observe when the window title 
> changes. Regardless of who uses Karabiner, they need to grant those 
> permissions in order for the app to work correctly.
> 
> -Dropbox also requests access to these controls. I’m not sure what it uses 
> them for, but you can find much discussion about this on Dropbox’s forums.
> 
> Here’s a slightly outdated Apple support article explaining these controls: 
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202802
> 
> Now, why a book management application needs access to these features is a 
> bit beyond me, but I’m sure it serves some purposes. Hope this all makes 
> sense!
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Brent Harding  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought I remember back in those early days that it was recommended to 
>> turn that preference on if you were going to use VO. I think some of that 
>> kind of thing might come down to a copyright thing to make sure that only 
>> blind people can use the app. If they use the api's directly instead of 
>> making a normal app, they can make sure the wrong people hopefully don't use 
>> it, but then if they don't have a login and password, there'd be no way for 
>> them to download.
>>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Chris Gilland
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager
>> 
>> Normally, yes, I’d agree.  The only reason I don’t agree with you in this 
>> one case is, I think it’s needing to somehow grab API’s from both Voiceover 
>> and from, most likely, Apple Script.  It can’t do that though being those 
>> are different components than what are built into the app to start with.  
>> For this reason, OSX is actually doing you a favor by not allowing it by 
>> default.
>> 
>> I see where you’re coming from, trust me, I do.  Again, in most 99.999 
>> cases, I’d agree with you whole heartedly.
>> 
>> I’d beg to say in this case though, it’s most likely a harmless thing.  Now, 
>> that also being said, why Learning Alley in the first place thought they had 
>> to make the app this way?  I’m sure there is a reason we don’t get, but I 
>> agree it seems a little odd.
>> 
>> Anyway, I’m not the programmer, so who am I to judge?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
>>> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
>>> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
 On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
 
 I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies 
 over there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
 
 Sharon H.
 
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
> since then.
>  
> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
> on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>  
> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message 
> saying I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the 
> checkbox to enable access 

Re: Game tonight?

[John Panarese]

Hi Chris,
   I think there might be, but I was talking about regular radio. I just got my 
Apple TV 4th Gen and am learning my way round what is available.


Take Care

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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> I’d assume that ESPN Radio’s not available for Apple TV4 though, or is it?
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:17 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  ESPN Radio or if you have a WFAN affiliate have been the ones covering the 
>> radio broadcasts of the playoff games.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah,
>>> 
>>> I’m not aware of anything either, Ben.  Anyway, now I’ve just gotta figure 
>>> out what network on the radio down here is coverring it, as I don’t think 
>>> WBT will.  Anyway, that’s for a discussion not on this list.  LOL!
>>> 
>>> GRR!  Go? Panthers!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:09 PM, ben J. Bloomgren  
 wrote:
 
 
 
> I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to 
> the Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 
> 13:30, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get 
> which will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I 
> really don’t care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just 
> wanting to watch this particular game.
> 
> Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
> wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
> 
> Chris.
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The Yelp web site is not playing well with voiceover & safari

[Stuart Russell]

As of Saturday, the yelp web site is not playing well with voiceover & safari.
When you reach the word “find” while exploring the site, safari hangs up & goes 
into busy mode.
I checked with apple support, & they confirmed that the problem was on yelp’s 
site.
Perhaps a bunch of us need to contact yelp support & get their attention.

Stuart

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