Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Hannah]

oh wow i am getting a mack book pro . surely it wil runn simular then .

On 29/09/2016 21:54, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Voiceover is never busy on my macbook air.
/A

29 sep. 2016 kl. 20:11 skrev E.T. :

  Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

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On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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Re: Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

[Kimberly]

Phil,

The model I have is the quiet comfort 20 which is currently available from 
Amazon for 249 dollars with free shipping for prime members. As I said, they 
are pricey but worth it in my opinion.

I hope this is helpful.


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> On Sep 29, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Kimberly, thanks a lot. I've been looking at the Bose over ear headphones and 
> they're super pricey, and from what I hear not all that reliable. I'd like to 
> get the buds that you're talking about but there are so many models to choose 
> from. Could you please, please, look up the model number for those Bose 
> earbuds that you've been talking about. Thanks.
> 
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>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kimber Gardner  
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>> Bose makes some truly excellent noise-cancelling headphones. The ones
>> I have (sorry, I forget the model) are in-the-ear earbuds, but I'm
>> sure any model would give you similar quality. The earbuds have a
>> small switch on the wire that allows you to "open" the earbud to sound
>> if necessary. So if like me you were using the earbuds in
>> noise-cancelling mode while on a plane, you could press this switch
>> and hear any announcements. Then press again and re-engage the
>> noise-cancelling.
>> 
>> Bose are pricy, but for my money they are worth every penny.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> canceling headphones? I have a couple of kids next-door who love to play
>>> basketball until dusk and I really need some help? Thanks.
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Re: Dash vs Minus

[michael babcock]

I don’t think there is a way to type it differently, but maybe :) always stand 
to be corrected.
you can set in the drop down of the third column  of that table an app if you 
want VO to handle that Pronunciation globally or within one app.

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
> not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
> involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be 
> good.
> 
>   So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
> characters? Thanks much.
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> On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
>> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
>> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for 
>> the Substitution
>> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
>> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
>> hope that helps
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>>>  Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
>>> 'dash'?
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Re: Dash vs Minus

[E.T.]

   That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne 
would not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers 
are involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would 
not be good.


   So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
characters? Thanks much.


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On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:

go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
'dash'?

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Re: Dash vs Minus

[michael babcock]

go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
> 'dash'?
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Dash vs Minus

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   Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and 
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VM Fusion and Windows 10

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

finally got around to installing Fusion and the Windows 10 Special Edition so I 
could check out Windows Narrator, and I am curious as the Narrator speech was 
working fine yesterday but today it is so unbelievably choppy and cutting out 
that it is unusable. Any clue what might be the cause of this? Thanks,

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Re: Apple Music being a little quirky?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes?
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  Are you both using voice over?
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On Sep 29, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Ever since yesterday afternoon, I, along with another friend of mine are 
having a really bizarre issue.

Regardless its source, be it from the For You area, or from just searching, 
be it a station created off a certain criteria, (Beats1 not being included,) be 
it in my ICloud library etc.  Point is, if I try to stream music of any sort in 
a batch, meaning, I try to play multiple tracks back to back, my friend and I 
both are finding that after say, oh... what, roughly maybe 20 to 25 ish 
minutes? maybe half an hour at most? The stream will just totally die.  
Sometimes, it'll let the song finnish, but more times than not, it'll just stop 
dead cold.

I've not been able to really pinpoint down an exact pattern of occurance, 
nor an exact amount of time down to the minute when this happens.  It's a bit 
random.  I mean, it's around that 30 minute timeframe, but it could be a little 
more or less, give or take.  Both our devices have been rebooted, and we've 
both checked our internet connectivity and all is fine.

I've also tried, being I'm the one with a phone, both on LTE as well as 
over wifi, and both're having this issue.  I've called Apple, and they're not 
exactly sure what's going on.  They're looking into it, but they're a little 
bit stumped at this time.  This is on the nonbeta build of iOS 10.02, and I'm 
also having the issue with ITunes 12.5.1 running on the nonbeta build of OSX 
10.12 Sierra with a Mac mini Late 2012 running 8GB ram, I5 processor.

I'm just curious if any of yall're seeing this as well, and if so, when 
exactly did it start doing this to you?

Thanks for any help/suggestions.  By the way, yes, I have signed out and 
back in both on my phone as well as on my mac from my Apple ID.  It's not a 
network issue on my end, I don't think, as my friend's having the same issue, 
and he's more than half way across the country from me gbeographicly.  Not even 
on the same ISP.  I'm not running a firewall nor any security stuff that would 
be blocking incoming nor outgoing traffic, and prior to yesterday, this has not 
been an issue prolonging.

Chris.


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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello tim:
I tried setting the Pram, but also with no luck,

can not see the drive at all.
Thanks so much for your help.
but I think that I must consult the technition that puts the SSD into
the Mac mini.
\and if you have any oterh ideas please share.
THanks


On 9/30/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It seems like it may not be installed properly.  Usually, in Disk Utility,
> you'll still see devices that are not necessarily usable with the Mac.  You
> just won't have the options available to format or partition.   It's
> possible that the cable is not seated properly, thus not getting power or it
> being seen.  Try one other thing before going to the effort of taking it
> apart again.  Try resetting the PRAM.  To do this, you need to press the
> cmd, Option, r and p keys as the Mini's startup chime is sounding.  So, to
> make this as easy as possible, I usually place my left thumb across the left
> cmd and option keys then use my left index finger and right pinky to hold
> down the r and p keys.  Practice it a few times before going for it.  So,
> what you'd do is turn the Mini off, wait about 10 to 20 seconds, then press
> the power button to turn it on.  Quickly hold down this key combination
> through the startup chime, and keep it held down through two more chimes,
> then release the keys.  Try to start it up again with Simon's instructions
> and see if the SSD shows up in Disk Utility.
>
> If you still have no luck, you'll need to see if the drive had its cable
> seated well.  If it still doesn't work, then it is possible, although not
> normal, that this SSD is not visible to your model of Mac.
>
> Later...
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>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 14:30, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello Simon and TIm:
> after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion
> installed on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
> the Surprise  is that, the disk utility can not see the SSD HD at all,
> don't know why, but it can not see it at all.
> any ideas?
> it can  see only the Kingstone USB, any ideas?
>
>
> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>> Thanks so much tim, and I know that you are a very great helper.
>>
>> On 9/29/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>>> Ramy,
>>>
>>> Sorry I've been slow with responses.  Very busy at work and doing
>>> renovations at home so I'm not able to check eMails as often as I'd
>>> like.
>>> Yes, please keep me in the loop and I'll help as much as possible.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 03:40, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What can I say?
>>> really, don't know,
>>> I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do as much as he can do,
>>> I think we found the solution, but let's see.
>>> BUt thanks so much my friend.
>>> and
>>> I'm waiting the result.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa >> >>
>>> wrote:
 Hi Simon:
 Thanks so much for your reply,
 inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
 apple disk image, but Voice over told me that this is 2 or 3, but the
 number 1 in the table is not pronounced, and Voice over can not select
 it even with no name, it says space, and I can not eraise, particion
 or anything, because I can not select it, and all icons are dimmbed.
 so, how can I fix this/
 Thanks


 On 9/29/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> HI Ramy,
>
> If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it
> should
> open
> very easily
>
> However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve
> never
> myself been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not
> knowing the correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>
> Hello Tim and all:
> If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl
> open
> and try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank
> you
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa
> > wrote:
> Hello tim:
> when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
> outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0
> 

Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It seems like it may not be installed properly.  Usually, in Disk Utility, 
you'll still see devices that are not necessarily usable with the Mac.  You 
just won't have the options available to format or partition.   It's possible 
that the cable is not seated properly, thus not getting power or it being seen. 
 Try one other thing before going to the effort of taking it apart again.  Try 
resetting the PRAM.  To do this, you need to press the cmd, Option, r and p 
keys as the Mini's startup chime is sounding.  So, to make this as easy as 
possible, I usually place my left thumb across the left cmd and option keys 
then use my left index finger and right pinky to hold down the r and p keys.  
Practice it a few times before going for it.  So, what you'd do is turn the 
Mini off, wait about 10 to 20 seconds, then press the power button to turn it 
on.  Quickly hold down this key combination through the startup chime, and keep 
it held down through two more chimes, then release the keys.  Try to start it 
up again with Simon's instructions and see if the SSD shows up in Disk Utility.

If you still have no luck, you'll need to see if the drive had its cable seated 
well.  If it still doesn't work, then it is possible, although not normal, that 
this SSD is not visible to your model of Mac.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 14:30, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello Simon and TIm:
after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion
installed on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
the Surprise  is that, the disk utility can not see the SSD HD at all,
don't know why, but it can not see it at all.
any ideas?
it can  see only the Kingstone USB, any ideas?


On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:
> Thanks so much tim, and I know that you are a very great helper.
> 
> On 9/29/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>> Ramy,
>> 
>> Sorry I've been slow with responses.  Very busy at work and doing
>> renovations at home so I'm not able to check eMails as often as I'd like.
>> Yes, please keep me in the loop and I'll help as much as possible.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 03:40, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What can I say?
>> really, don't know,
>> I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do as much as he can do,
>> I think we found the solution, but let's see.
>> BUt thanks so much my friend.
>> and
>> I'm waiting the result.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa > >> wrote:
>>> Hi Simon:
>>> Thanks so much for your reply,
>>> inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
>>> apple disk image, but Voice over told me that this is 2 or 3, but the
>>> number 1 in the table is not pronounced, and Voice over can not select
>>> it even with no name, it says space, and I can not eraise, particion
>>> or anything, because I can not select it, and all icons are dimmbed.
>>> so, how can I fix this/
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/29/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 HI Ramy,
 
 If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it should
 open
 very easily
 
 However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve never
 myself been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not
 knowing the correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
 Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
 
 Hello Tim and all:
 If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl
 open
 and try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank
 you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa
 > wrote:
 Hello tim:
 when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
 outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
 when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
 system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
 I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
 so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
 I access it?
 the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
 Thanks
 
 
 On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
 

Re: Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

[Phil Halton]

Hi unders, I was looking at the 35's as well. I'm thinking more towards the 
25's which are not wireless and seem to have less problems at least from the 
reviews. How long have you had the quiet comfort 35's, and have you experienced 
any malfunctioning? I'm wondering if the wireless feature is worth the extra 
$50?. I think I may go for the wired 25's but I'll know more when I actually go 
to Apple and look at them hands-on tomorrow. Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 29, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Bose Quietcomfort 35.
> Expensive but the best i’ve ever used.
> /A
>> 29 sep. 2016 kl. 18:33 skrev Phil Halton :
>> 
>> Does anybody have any good recommendations for Reliable and effective noise 
>> canceling headphones? I have a couple of kids next-door who love to play 
>> basketball until dusk and I really need some help? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

[E.T.]

   No Ray but I will not trouble myself to quote Martin's statement.

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On 9/29/2016 12:34 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

With Respect, ET, I suspect you missunderstood Martin’s point.  Really really 
read his e-mail and, this time, pay attention.

He was not talking about going back to Microsoft.


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On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Martin,
  Your editorials are beginning to ramble, you have long since lost your point. 
If your intent on going back to Microsoft, great but this is still the group 
for Apple products.

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On 9/29/2016 6:39 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I desperately
wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't agree with something
being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference here is towards Microsoft and
Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an approach.

However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old desktop
custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. Despite the
speck remaining the same in every sense, including the CPU, Windows 10 is
much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.

So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, times they
don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of either goods or
services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and myself.
Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their customers,
and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.

Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the goods
and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods are licenced
software. There are those who feel it is fine to share such products with
friends and family members in breach of very clear guidelines to the
contrary, but the less said about that the better. Thank goodness none of my
friends subscribe to this list.

Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably continue to
function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt of that and I
have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It defeats the purpose
however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to match the needs of the
software, at least to some degree, without buying a new machine.

 Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf Mac
Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard drive. He
decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size hard drive. I,
on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. As you can
imagine the price difference was significant. Now, here is the point. He is
also running El Capitan with absolutely no performance difference to my own
machine. Like myself, he cannot upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both
light-heartedly laughed, he has only been half as well screwed as I myself
have.

So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues to
revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over another
cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with great built-in
accessibility. The weakness in their model from a consumer's perspective is
that they provide both the hardware and the software. Although this has many
benefits, it is not an ideal situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is
not financially to their advantage to support hardware beyond a short time
frame. Microsoft will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also
got into the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I
purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to
encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their
well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their
equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow when
assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial
interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you.
Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you can't
go wrong.
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[E.T.]

   The busys most often happen after a boot and the drive has not 
settled down yet. I may look into an SSD.


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On 9/29/2016 1:54 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Voiceover is never busy on my macbook air.
/A

29 sep. 2016 kl. 20:11 skrev E.T. :

  Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

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On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[E.T.]

   Ahh new machine, then yes you have it made.

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On 9/29/2016 12:26 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Oh I see. Didn’t kno. When I bought this late 2011 Macbook Pro, 13 inches, new, 
from UK retailer Argos, it came with Lion. So this is my first purchase from 
Apple directly. The mac that is.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:25, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

hi,

Then if it's brand new, it will come with the newest MacOS.  It may be a 
decimal or so behind, but still in Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 13:18, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi

Yes it is a new one, Apple Store did not have any refurbished ones.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:17, Hannah  wrote:

HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .



On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come with 
the latest MacOS pre-installed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never had 
trouble updating from one macOS to the other.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:

I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, it 
was only 500 which is too small.

Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this weekend. 
Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.

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On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
Sierra at a moment’s notice.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:

Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

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Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

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Hi!
Voiceover is never busy on my macbook air.
/A
> 29 sep. 2016 kl. 20:11 skrev E.T. :
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>   Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
> 
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>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first 
>> mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be 
>> like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? 
>> On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. 
>> However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not 
>> concerned, more curious really.
>> 
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Re: Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Bose Quietcomfort 35.
Expensive but the best i’ve ever used.
/A
> 29 sep. 2016 kl. 18:33 skrev Phil Halton :
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> Does anybody have any good recommendations for Reliable and effective noise 
> canceling headphones? I have a couple of kids next-door who love to play 
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Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

[David Chittenden]

2009 machine in 2016 is a 7 year old machine, not a 5 year old machine.

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 30/09/2016, at 02:39, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
> responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
> upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I desperately
> wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't agree with something
> being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference here is towards Microsoft and
> Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an approach.
> 
> However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old desktop
> custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. Despite the
> speck remaining the same in every sense, including the CPU, Windows 10 is
> much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.  
> 
> So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, times they
> don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of either goods or
> services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and myself.
> Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their customers,
> and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.
> 
> Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the goods
> and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods are licenced
> software. There are those who feel it is fine to share such products with
> friends and family members in breach of very clear guidelines to the
> contrary, but the less said about that the better. Thank goodness none of my
> friends subscribe to this list.
> 
> Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably continue to
> function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt of that and I
> have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It defeats the purpose
> however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to match the needs of the
> software, at least to some degree, without buying a new machine.
> 
>  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
> friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf Mac
> Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard drive. He
> decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size hard drive. I,
> on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. As you can
> imagine the price difference was significant. Now, here is the point. He is
> also running El Capitan with absolutely no performance difference to my own
> machine. Like myself, he cannot upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both
> light-heartedly laughed, he has only been half as well screwed as I myself
> have.
> 
> So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues to
> revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over another
> cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with great built-in
> accessibility. The weakness in their model from a consumer's perspective is
> that they provide both the hardware and the software. Although this has many
> benefits, it is not an ideal situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is
> not financially to their advantage to support hardware beyond a short time
> frame. Microsoft will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also
> got into the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I
> purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to
> encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their
> well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their
> equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow when
> assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial
> interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you.
> Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you can't
> go wrong.
> Kind Regards:
> Martin   
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello Simon and TIm:
after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion
installed on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
the Surprise  is that, the disk utility can not see the SSD HD at all,
don't know why, but it can not see it at all.
any ideas?
it can  see only the Kingstone USB, any ideas?


On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Thanks so much tim, and I know that you are a very great helper.
>
> On 9/29/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Ramy,
>>
>> Sorry I've been slow with responses.  Very busy at work and doing
>> renovations at home so I'm not able to check eMails as often as I'd like.
>> Yes, please keep me in the loop and I'll help as much as possible.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 03:40, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What can I say?
>> really, don't know,
>> I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do as much as he can do,
>> I think we found the solution, but let's see.
>> BUt thanks so much my friend.
>> and
>> I'm waiting the result.
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>>> Hi Simon:
>>> Thanks so much for your reply,
>>> inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
>>> apple disk image, but Voice over told me that this is 2 or 3, but the
>>> number 1 in the table is not pronounced, and Voice over can not select
>>> it even with no name, it says space, and I can not eraise, particion
>>> or anything, because I can not select it, and all icons are dimmbed.
>>> so, how can I fix this/
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 HI Ramy,

 If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it should
 open
 very easily

 However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve never
 myself been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not
 knowing the correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
 Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

 Hello Tim and all:
 If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl
 open
 and try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank
 you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa
 > wrote:
 Hello tim:
 when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
 outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
 when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
 system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
 I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
 so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
 I access it?
 the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
 Thanks


 On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
 > wrote:

 Thanks so much i have a hd without a name

 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn
 > wrote:

 Hi,

 If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
 "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.
 Make
 sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
 appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
 Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
 Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa
 >
 wrote:

 Hello all:
 Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
 mini.
 the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
 blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
 listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
 SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
 I took the unit and came to my studio,
 press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
 

Re: Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

[Phil Halton]

Kimberly, thanks a lot. I've been looking at the Bose over ear headphones and 
they're super pricey, and from what I hear not all that reliable. I'd like to 
get the buds that you're talking about but there are so many models to choose 
from. Could you please, please, look up the model number for those Bose earbuds 
that you've been talking about. Thanks.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 29, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Bose makes some truly excellent noise-cancelling headphones. The ones
> I have (sorry, I forget the model) are in-the-ear earbuds, but I'm
> sure any model would give you similar quality. The earbuds have a
> small switch on the wire that allows you to "open" the earbud to sound
> if necessary. So if like me you were using the earbuds in
> noise-cancelling mode while on a plane, you could press this switch
> and hear any announcements. Then press again and re-engage the
> noise-cancelling.
> 
> Bose are pricy, but for my money they are worth every penny.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/29/16, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> Does anybody have any good recommendations for Reliable and effective noise
>> canceling headphones? I have a couple of kids next-door who love to play
>> basketball until dusk and I really need some help? Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If I do my figuring correct, that would be right.  2011 was when Lion came out, 
so, that unit would have been shipped with Lion.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 13:26, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Oh I see. Didn’t kno. When I bought this late 2011 Macbook Pro, 13 inches, new, 
from UK retailer Argos, it came with Lion. So this is my first purchase from 
Apple directly. The mac that is.
> On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:25, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Then if it's brand new, it will come with the newest MacOS.  It may be a 
> decimal or so behind, but still in Sierra.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 13:18, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Yes it is a new one, Apple Store did not have any refurbished ones.
> 
> 
>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:17, Hannah  wrote:
>> 
>> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
 On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
 it was only 500 which is too small.
 
 Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
 weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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 On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 
> 2015 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with 
> Yosemite preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So 
> will update to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
> 
> 
>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>> 
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>> 
>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

[Ray Foret jr]

With Respect, ET, I suspect you missunderstood Martin’s point.  Really really 
read his e-mail and, this time, pay attention.

He was not talking about going back to Microsoft.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

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> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Martin,
>   Your editorials are beginning to ramble, you have long since lost your 
> point. If your intent on going back to Microsoft, great but this is still the 
> group for Apple products.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/29/2016 6:39 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
>> I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
>> responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
>> upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I desperately
>> wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't agree with something
>> being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference here is towards Microsoft and
>> Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an approach.
>> 
>> However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old desktop
>> custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. Despite the
>> speck remaining the same in every sense, including the CPU, Windows 10 is
>> much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.
>> 
>> So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, times they
>> don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of either goods or
>> services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and myself.
>> Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their customers,
>> and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.
>> 
>> Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the goods
>> and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods are licenced
>> software. There are those who feel it is fine to share such products with
>> friends and family members in breach of very clear guidelines to the
>> contrary, but the less said about that the better. Thank goodness none of my
>> friends subscribe to this list.
>> 
>> Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably continue to
>> function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt of that and I
>> have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It defeats the purpose
>> however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to match the needs of the
>> software, at least to some degree, without buying a new machine.
>> 
>>  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
>> friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf Mac
>> Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard drive. He
>> decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size hard drive. I,
>> on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. As you can
>> imagine the price difference was significant. Now, here is the point. He is
>> also running El Capitan with absolutely no performance difference to my own
>> machine. Like myself, he cannot upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both
>> light-heartedly laughed, he has only been half as well screwed as I myself
>> have.
>> 
>> So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues to
>> revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over another
>> cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with great built-in
>> accessibility. The weakness in their model from a consumer's perspective is
>> that they provide both the hardware and the software. Although this has many
>> benefits, it is not an ideal situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is
>> not financially to their advantage to support hardware beyond a short time
>> frame. Microsoft will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also
>> got into the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I
>> purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to
>> encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their
>> well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their
>> equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow when
>> assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial
>> interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you.
>> Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you can't
>> go wrong.
>> Kind Regards:
>> Martin
>> 
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Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

[Ray Foret jr]

Wow, Martin, I saved your message to my Mac.  There’s a good long article in 
that contribution I know there is.  You really could do it if you wanted to.

I too cannot upgrade to Sierra because this here mid 2009 Mac book pro just 
will not take it.


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> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
> responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
> upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I desperately
> wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't agree with something
> being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference here is towards Microsoft and
> Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an approach.
> 
> However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old desktop
> custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. Despite the
> speck remaining the same in every sense, including the CPU, Windows 10 is
> much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.  
> 
> So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, times they
> don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of either goods or
> services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and myself.
> Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their customers,
> and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.
> 
> Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the goods
> and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods are licenced
> software. There are those who feel it is fine to share such products with
> friends and family members in breach of very clear guidelines to the
> contrary, but the less said about that the better. Thank goodness none of my
> friends subscribe to this list.
> 
> Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably continue to
> function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt of that and I
> have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It defeats the purpose
> however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to match the needs of the
> software, at least to some degree, without buying a new machine.
> 
>  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
> friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf Mac
> Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard drive. He
> decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size hard drive. I,
> on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. As you can
> imagine the price difference was significant. Now, here is the point. He is
> also running El Capitan with absolutely no performance difference to my own
> machine. Like myself, he cannot upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both
> light-heartedly laughed, he has only been half as well screwed as I myself
> have.
> 
> So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues to
> revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over another
> cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with great built-in
> accessibility. The weakness in their model from a consumer's perspective is
> that they provide both the hardware and the software. Although this has many
> benefits, it is not an ideal situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is
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> frame. Microsoft will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh I see. Didn’t kno. When I bought this late 2011 Macbook Pro, 13 inches, new, 
from UK retailer Argos, it came with Lion. So this is my first purchase from 
Apple directly. The mac that is.
> On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:25, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Then if it's brand new, it will come with the newest MacOS.  It may be a 
> decimal or so behind, but still in Sierra.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 13:18, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Yes it is a new one, Apple Store did not have any refurbished ones.
> 
> 
>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:17, Hannah  wrote:
>> 
>> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
 On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
 it was only 500 which is too small.
 
 Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
 weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 
> 2015 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with 
> Yosemite preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So 
> will update to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
> 
> 
>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Hannah]

hi tim thanks for letting us know .

When we set it up we wil check for updates

On 29/09/2016 20:25, Tim Kilburn wrote:

hi,

Then if it's brand new, it will come with the newest MacOS.  It may be a 
decimal or so behind, but still in Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 13:18, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi

Yes it is a new one, Apple Store did not have any refurbished ones.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:17, Hannah  wrote:

HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .



On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come with 
the latest MacOS pre-installed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never had 
trouble updating from one macOS to the other.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:

I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, it 
was only 500 which is too small.

Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this weekend. 
Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.

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On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
Sierra at a moment’s notice.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:

Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

Then if it's brand new, it will come with the newest MacOS.  It may be a 
decimal or so behind, but still in Sierra.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 13:18, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi

Yes it is a new one, Apple Store did not have any refurbished ones.


> On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:17, Hannah  wrote:
> 
> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>> 
>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
 preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update 
 to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
 
 
> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

Yes it is a new one, Apple Store did not have any refurbished ones.


> On 29 Sep 2016, at 20:17, Hannah  wrote:
> 
> HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come 
>> with the latest MacOS pre-installed.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never 
>> had trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
>>> it was only 500 which is too small.
>>> 
>>> Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
>>> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> 
>>> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
 Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
 preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update 
 to Sierra at a moment’s notice.
 
 
> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
>> first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
>> would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
>> disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
>> been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
>> expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Hannah]

HI tim as far as i know it's a brand new one .



On 29/09/2016 20:14, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come with 
the latest MacOS pre-installed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never had 
trouble updating from one macOS to the other.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:

 I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, it 
was only 500 which is too small.

 Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this weekend. 
Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
Sierra at a moment’s notice.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:

Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If you get this as a refurbished from the Apple Store, then it will come with 
the latest MacOS pre-installed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never had 
trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
> it was only 500 which is too small.
> 
>  Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
>> Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
>> preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
>> Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 Hello everyone.
 
 So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[christopher hallsworth]

No clean install is planned, just an update. Why is this? Asking as never had 
trouble updating from one macOS to the other.
> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:30, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I looked, 
> it was only 500 which is too small.
> 
>   Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that this 
> weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.
> 
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> On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
>> Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
>> preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
>> Sierra at a moment’s notice.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
>>> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
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>>> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 Hello everyone.
 
 So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's 
 first mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver 
 would be like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard 
 disk storage? On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always 
 been like that. However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as 
 expected. Not concerned, more curious really.
 
 
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[E.T.]

   I may see how big an SSD I could put in this one, mid 2012. Last I 
looked, it was only 500 which is too small.


   Going to do a clean install? Probably best. I will be doing that 
this weekend. Oh joy but if its raining, will be an ideal time.


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On 9/29/2016 11:15 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
Sierra at a moment’s notice.



On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:

  Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO performance, 
as well as those busy this busy that.

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On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[christopher hallsworth]

Thank you. And I now know what mac she will be getting. It’s an early 2015 
Macbook Pro with retina, 13 inches. No doubt it will come with Yosemite 
preinstalled then. Not bad, but not worht a keeper either. So will update to 
Sierra at a moment’s notice.


> On 29 Sep 2016, at 19:11, E.T.  wrote:
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> performance, as well as those busy this busy that.
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> On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first 
>> mac which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be 
>> like at startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? 
>> On mine, it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. 
>> However once disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not 
>> concerned, more curious really.
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Re: Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[E.T.]

   Good deal. And it will be interesting to hear your reviews of VO 
performance, as well as those busy this busy that.


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On 9/29/2016 11:05 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
really.




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Re: Apple Music being a little quirky?

[Singing Sparrow]

I just asked siri to play B.J Thomas and was listening quite well when 
it just up and quit on me.



On 9/29/2016 11:17 AM, Joshua Tubbs wrote:

I use apple Music on a daily basis, and I’ve never had this issue before.
Is it just the radio stuff? What playlists do you listen to, if not?

On Sep 29, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Singing Sparrow > wrote:


Yes, Both of us are using Voiceover to access apple music.


On 9/29/2016 6:36 AM, Louis Scrivani wrote:

Are you both using voice over?
Louis
Louis Scrivani
lscriv...@verizon.net 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


Ever since yesterday afternoon, I, along with another friend of 
mine are having a really bizarre issue.
Regardless its source, be it from the For You area, or from just 
searching, be it a station created off a certain criteria, (Beats1 
not being included,) be it in my ICloud library etc.  Point is, if 
I try to stream music of any sort in a batch, meaning, I try to 
play multiple tracks back to back, my friend and I both are finding 
that after say, oh... what, roughly maybe 20 to 25 ish minutes? 
maybe half an hour at most? The stream will just totally die.  
Sometimes, it'll let the song finnish, but more times than not, 
it'll just stop dead cold.
I've not been able to really pinpoint down an exact pattern of 
occurance, nor an exact amount of time down to the minute when this 
happens. It's a bit random.  I mean, it's around that 30 minute 
timeframe, but it could be a little more or less, give or take.  
Both our devices have been rebooted, and we've both checked our 
internet connectivity and all is fine.
I've also tried, being I'm the one with a phone, both on LTE as 
well as over wifi, and both're having this issue. I've called 
Apple, and they're not exactly sure what's going on.  They're 
looking into it, but they're a little bit stumped at this time.  
This is on the nonbeta build of iOS 10.02, and I'm also having the 
issue with ITunes 12.5.1 running on the nonbeta build of OSX 10.12 
Sierra with a Mac mini Late 2012 running 8GB ram, I5 processor.
I'm just curious if any of yall're seeing this as well, and if so, 
when exactly did it start doing this to you?
Thanks for any help/suggestions. By the way, yes, I have signed out 
and back in both on my phone as well as on my mac from my Apple 
ID.  It's not a network issue on my end, I don't think, as my 
friend's having the same issue, and he's more than half way across 
the country from me gbeographicly.  Not even on the same ISP.  I'm 
not running a firewall nor any security stuff that would be 
blocking incoming nor outgoing traffic, and prior to yesterday, 
this has not been an issue prolonging.

Chris.

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Flash storage and VoiceOver performance

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

So I’ve done it! Purchased my girlfriend and new list member Hannah's first mac 
which will come with flash storage. Wondering what VoiceOver would be like at 
startup compared to how it would be on a mac with hard disk storage? On mine, 
it’s choppy, even under Sierra, but it’s always been like that. However once 
disk activity stops VoiceOver behaves as expected. Not concerned, more curious 
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Re: Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

[Kimber Gardner]

Bose makes some truly excellent noise-cancelling headphones. The ones
I have (sorry, I forget the model) are in-the-ear earbuds, but I'm
sure any model would give you similar quality. The earbuds have a
small switch on the wire that allows you to "open" the earbud to sound
if necessary. So if like me you were using the earbuds in
noise-cancelling mode while on a plane, you could press this switch
and hear any announcements. Then press again and re-engage the
noise-cancelling.

Bose are pricy, but for my money they are worth every penny.



On 9/29/16, Phil Halton  wrote:
> Does anybody have any good recommendations for Reliable and effective noise
> canceling headphones? I have a couple of kids next-door who love to play
> basketball until dusk and I really need some help? Thanks.
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much tim, and I know that you are a very great helper.

On 9/29/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Ramy,
>
> Sorry I've been slow with responses.  Very busy at work and doing
> renovations at home so I'm not able to check eMails as often as I'd like.
> Yes, please keep me in the loop and I'll help as much as possible.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 03:40, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> What can I say?
> really, don't know,
> I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do as much as he can do,
> I think we found the solution, but let's see.
> BUt thanks so much my friend.
> and
> I'm waiting the result.
>
>
> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>> Hi Simon:
>> Thanks so much for your reply,
>> inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
>> apple disk image, but Voice over told me that this is 2 or 3, but the
>> number 1 in the table is not pronounced, and Voice over can not select
>> it even with no name, it says space, and I can not eraise, particion
>> or anything, because I can not select it, and all icons are dimmbed.
>> so, how can I fix this/
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> HI Ramy,
>>>
>>> If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it should
>>> open
>>> very easily
>>>
>>> However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve never
>>> myself been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not
>>> knowing the correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>>>
>>> Hello Tim and all:
>>> If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl
>>> open
>>> and try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank you
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> > wrote:
>>> Hello tim:
>>> when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
>>> outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
>>> when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
>>> system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
>>> I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
>>> so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
>>> I access it?
>>> the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much i have a hd without a name
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
>>> "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.
>>> Make
>>> sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
>>> appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
>>> Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
>>> Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all:
>>> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
>>> mini.
>>> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
>>> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
>>> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
>>> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
>>> I took the unit and came to my studio,
>>> press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
>>> OSX, I choose disk utility,
>>> but, I can not find the SSD here.
>>> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
>>> I think this is not the SSD of cores,
>>> so, what can I do now?
>>> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
>>> will it make difference?
>>> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
>>> image?need your advice
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Music instructor @:
>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound 

Re: Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. I am a terrible sleeper. everything wakes me up, and I mean
everything. Anyways, I found headphones to be too uncomfortable to
sleep with, but, it's a personal preference thing and maybe you'd be
fine.

I use earplugs instead and they do a pretty good job. I also use a
white noise machine and that really does help a lot! Earplugs are a
few dollars for many pairs and a decent white noise machine is around
twenty dollars on amazon etc.

Maybe give those things a try too...

Cameron.





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> basketball until dusk and I really need some help? Thanks.
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Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

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Does anybody have any good recommendations for Reliable and effective noise 
canceling headphones? I have a couple of kids next-door who love to play 
basketball until dusk and I really need some help? Thanks.

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Re: Apple Music being a little quirky?

[Joshua Tubbs]

I use apple Music on a daily basis, and I’ve never had this issue before.
Is it just the radio stuff? What playlists do you listen to, if not?

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
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> Yes, Both of us are using Voiceover to access apple music.
> 
> On 9/29/2016 6:36 AM, Louis Scrivani wrote:
>> Are you both using voice over?
>>  Louis
>> Louis Scrivani
>> lscriv...@verizon.net 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ever since yesterday afternoon, I, along with another friend of mine are 
>>> having a really bizarre issue.
>>>  
>>> Regardless its source, be it from the For You area, or from just searching, 
>>> be it a station created off a certain criteria, (Beats1 not being 
>>> included,) be it in my ICloud library etc.  Point is, if I try to stream 
>>> music of any sort in a batch, meaning, I try to play multiple tracks back 
>>> to back, my friend and I both are finding that after say, oh... what, 
>>> roughly maybe 20 to 25 ish minutes? maybe half an hour at most? The stream 
>>> will just totally die.  Sometimes, it'll let the song finnish, but more 
>>> times than not, it'll just stop dead cold.
>>>  
>>> I've not been able to really pinpoint down an exact pattern of occurance, 
>>> nor an exact amount of time down to the minute when this happens.  It's a 
>>> bit random.  I mean, it's around that 30 minute timeframe, but it could be 
>>> a little more or less, give or take.  Both our devices have been rebooted, 
>>> and we've both checked our internet connectivity and all is fine.
>>>  
>>> I've also tried, being I'm the one with a phone, both on LTE as well as 
>>> over wifi, and both're having this issue.  I've called Apple, and they're 
>>> not exactly sure what's going on.  They're looking into it, but they're a 
>>> little bit stumped at this time.  This is on the nonbeta build of iOS 
>>> 10.02, and I'm also having the issue with ITunes 12.5.1 running on the 
>>> nonbeta build of OSX 10.12 Sierra with a Mac mini Late 2012 running 8GB 
>>> ram, I5   processor.
>>>  
>>> I'm just curious if any of yall're seeing this as well, and if so, when 
>>> exactly did it start doing this to you?
>>>  
>>> Thanks for any help/suggestions.  By the way, yes, I have signed out and 
>>> back in both on my phone as well as on my mac from my Apple ID.  It's not a 
>>> network issue on my end, I don't think, as my friend's having the same 
>>> issue, and he's more than half way across the country from me 
>>> gbeographicly.  Not even on the same ISP.  I'm not running a firewall nor 
>>> any security stuff that would be blocking incoming nor outgoing traffic, 
>>> and prior to yesterday, this has not been an issue prolonging.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: Apple Music being a little quirky?

[Singing Sparrow]

Yes, Both of us are using Voiceover to access apple music.


On 9/29/2016 6:36 AM, Louis Scrivani wrote:

Are you both using voice over?
Louis
Louis Scrivani
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On Sep 29, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


Ever since yesterday afternoon, I, along with another friend of mine 
are having a really bizarre issue.
Regardless its source, be it from the For You area, or from just 
searching, be it a station created off a certain criteria, (Beats1 
not being included,) be it in my ICloud library etc.  Point is, if I 
try to stream music of any sort in a batch, meaning, I try to play 
multiple tracks back to back, my friend and I both are finding that 
after say, oh... what, roughly maybe 20 to 25 ish minutes? maybe half 
an hour at most? The stream will just totally die.  Sometimes, it'll 
let the song finnish, but more times than not, it'll just stop dead cold.
I've not been able to really pinpoint down an exact pattern of 
occurance, nor an exact amount of time down to the minute when this 
happens.  It's a bit random.  I mean, it's around that 30 minute 
timeframe, but it could be a little more or less, give or take.  Both 
our devices have been rebooted, and we've both checked our internet 
connectivity and all is fine.
I've also tried, being I'm the one with a phone, both on LTE as well 
as over wifi, and both're having this issue.  I've called Apple, and 
they're not exactly sure what's going on. They're looking into it, 
but they're a little bit stumped at this time.  This is on the 
nonbeta build of iOS 10.02, and I'm also having the issue with ITunes 
12.5.1 running on the nonbeta build of OSX 10.12 Sierra with a Mac 
mini Late 2012 running 8GB ram, I5 processor.
I'm just curious if any of yall're seeing this as well, and if so, 
when exactly did it start doing this to you?
Thanks for any help/suggestions.  By the way, yes, I have signed out 
and back in both on my phone as well as on my mac from my Apple ID.  
It's not a network issue on my end, I don't think, as my friend's 
having the same issue, and he's more than half way across the country 
from me gbeographicly.  Not even on the same ISP.  I'm not running a 
firewall nor any security stuff that would be blocking incoming nor 
outgoing traffic, and prior to yesterday, this has not been an issue 
prolonging.

Chris.

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Re: Question about Safari

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Nancy,

If you want to email the page you are on, just press Cmd-Shift-i and a new 
message in Mail will open. Just enter the email address and the link to the 
page will be in the message body.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 29 Sep 2016, at 15:57, Nancy Badger  wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
> I really should know this but I can't remember how to do it. I want to email 
> a web address to someone. How do I copy the web address and send it to them?
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Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

[E.T.]

Martin,
   Your editorials are beginning to ramble, you have long since lost 
your point. If your intent on going back to Microsoft, great but this is 
still the group for Apple products.


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On 9/29/2016 6:39 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I desperately
wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't agree with something
being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference here is towards Microsoft and
Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an approach.

However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old desktop
custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. Despite the
speck remaining the same in every sense, including the CPU, Windows 10 is
much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.

So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, times they
don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of either goods or
services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and myself.
Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their customers,
and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.

Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the goods
and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods are licenced
software. There are those who feel it is fine to share such products with
friends and family members in breach of very clear guidelines to the
contrary, but the less said about that the better. Thank goodness none of my
friends subscribe to this list.

Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably continue to
function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt of that and I
have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It defeats the purpose
however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to match the needs of the
software, at least to some degree, without buying a new machine.

  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf Mac
Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard drive. He
decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size hard drive. I,
on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. As you can
imagine the price difference was significant. Now, here is the point. He is
also running El Capitan with absolutely no performance difference to my own
machine. Like myself, he cannot upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both
light-heartedly laughed, he has only been half as well screwed as I myself
have.

So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues to
revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over another
cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with great built-in
accessibility. The weakness in their model from a consumer's perspective is
that they provide both the hardware and the software. Although this has many
benefits, it is not an ideal situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is
not financially to their advantage to support hardware beyond a short time
frame. Microsoft will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also
got into the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I
purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to
encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their
well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their
equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow when
assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial
interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you.
Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you can't
go wrong.
Kind Regards:
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Re: Question about Safari

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!

You can easily get the url for a link pressing VO+shift+u, and VO will read it 
out loud. After that, you can press VO+Shift+c to copy it and you can paste it 
where ever you like.
If you are inside the web you want to share, you have various options: Either 
use the “Share button from the tool bar, or just copy the address from the 
address bar. You go to it by pressing CMD+l or CMD+option+f. At that moment, 
the address is selected, so if you press CMD+c it will come to your clipboard.

I hope this helps.

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> Hi everyone,
> I really should know this but I can't remember how to do it. I want to email 
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Question about Safari

[Nancy Badger]

Hi everyone,
I really should know this but I can't remember how to do it. I want to email a 
web address to someone. How do I copy the web address and send it to them?

Nancy Badger, 
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Tim Kilburn]

Ramy,

Sorry I've been slow with responses.  Very busy at work and doing renovations 
at home so I'm not able to check eMails as often as I'd like.  Yes, please keep 
me in the loop and I'll help as much as possible.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 29, 2016, at 03:40, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

What can I say?
really, don't know,
I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do as much as he can do,
I think we found the solution, but let's see.
BUt thanks so much my friend.
and
I'm waiting the result.


On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:
> Hi Simon:
> Thanks so much for your reply,
> inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
> apple disk image, but Voice over told me that this is 2 or 3, but the
> number 1 in the table is not pronounced, and Voice over can not select
> it even with no name, it says space, and I can not eraise, particion
> or anything, because I can not select it, and all icons are dimmbed.
> so, how can I fix this/
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 9/29/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> HI Ramy,
>> 
>> If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it should
>> open
>> very easily
>> 
>> However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve never
>> myself been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not
>> knowing the correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>> 
>> Hello Tim and all:
>> If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl
>> open
>> and try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank you
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>> Hello tim:
>> when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
>> outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
>> when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
>> system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
>> I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
>> so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
>> I access it?
>> the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much i have a hd without a name
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
>> "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make
>> sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
>> appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
>> Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
>> Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa
>> >
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
>> mini.
>> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
>> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
>> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
>> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
>> I took the unit and came to my studio,
>> press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
>> OSX, I choose disk utility,
>> but, I can not find the SSD here.
>> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
>> I think this is not the SSD of cores,
>> so, what can I do now?
>> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
>> will it make difference?
>> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
>> image?need your advice
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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It's not good to believe everything you hear

[Martin Brown]

I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I desperately
wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't agree with something
being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference here is towards Microsoft and
Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an approach.

However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old desktop
custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. Despite the
speck remaining the same in every sense, including the CPU, Windows 10 is
much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.  

So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, times they
don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of either goods or
services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and myself.
Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their customers,
and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.

Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the goods
and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods are licenced
software. There are those who feel it is fine to share such products with
friends and family members in breach of very clear guidelines to the
contrary, but the less said about that the better. Thank goodness none of my
friends subscribe to this list.

Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably continue to
function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt of that and I
have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It defeats the purpose
however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to match the needs of the
software, at least to some degree, without buying a new machine.

  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf Mac
Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard drive. He
decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size hard drive. I,
on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. As you can
imagine the price difference was significant. Now, here is the point. He is
also running El Capitan with absolutely no performance difference to my own
machine. Like myself, he cannot upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both
light-heartedly laughed, he has only been half as well screwed as I myself
have.

So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues to
revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over another
cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with great built-in
accessibility. The weakness in their model from a consumer's perspective is
that they provide both the hardware and the software. Although this has many
benefits, it is not an ideal situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is
not financially to their advantage to support hardware beyond a short time
frame. Microsoft will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also
got into the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I
purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to
encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their
well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their
equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow when
assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial
interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you.
Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you can't
go wrong.
Kind Regards:
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Re: Apple Music being a little quirky?

[Blee Blat]

I'll test this out and see what I get since I use Apple Music heavily as well, 
I just haven't been using the radio station feature a lot lately.

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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I can’t see how Osx sierra would degrade from what it was.
I think its the best mac osx since i began to use it.
Of course it has some glitches but i can deal with them.
/A
> On 29 Sep 2016, at 01:20, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Rubbish, it is Samsung which has the reputation for seldom upgrading existing 
> OS on mobile phones which are already in the market. Apple supports upgrades 
> for several years, and does not charge for the upgrades. If you do not want 
> the latest software, do not install it. And yes, the latest software, on any 
> system, is built to access and run on the latest hardware.
> 
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> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29/09/2016, at 01:27, -dan d.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a 
>> marketing approach.
>> 
>> Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end user.
>> 
>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
>>> You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
>>> systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
>>> requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple 
>>> has to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be 
>>> usable. Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x 
>>> machines, but eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.
>>> 
>>> It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the 
>>> same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get 
>>> the latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their 
>>> customers, and on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if 
>>> Apple gave old phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about 
>>> the stuttering animations, the missing features, the slow response times, 
>>> and so on. Apple can either cut off old machines and get hammered about 
>>> money-grubbing and not being responsible for their customers, or they can 
>>> support old machines and get hammered about poor performance and not 
>>> supporting new features.
 On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
 
 I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
 that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
 my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
 
 I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
 year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
 Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
 Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
 smoke alarms start going off.
 
 I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
 their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
 the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
 giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
 conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
 All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
 
 
 
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Re: Apple Music being a little quirky?

[Louis Scrivani]

Are you both using voice over?
Louis
Louis Scrivani
lscriv...@verizon.net



> On Sep 29, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Ever since yesterday afternoon, I, along with another friend of mine are 
> having a really bizarre issue.
>  
> Regardless its source, be it from the For You area, or from just searching, 
> be it a station created off a certain criteria, (Beats1 not being included,) 
> be it in my ICloud library etc.  Point is, if I try to stream music of any 
> sort in a batch, meaning, I try to play multiple tracks back to back, my 
> friend and I both are finding that after say, oh... what, roughly maybe 20 to 
> 25 ish minutes? maybe half an hour at most? The stream will just totally die. 
>  Sometimes, it'll let the song finnish, but more times than not, it'll just 
> stop dead cold.
>  
> I've not been able to really pinpoint down an exact pattern of occurance, nor 
> an exact amount of time down to the minute when this happens.  It's a bit 
> random.  I mean, it's around that 30 minute timeframe, but it could be a 
> little more or less, give or take.  Both our devices have been rebooted, and 
> we've both checked our internet connectivity and all is fine.
>  
> I've also tried, being I'm the one with a phone, both on LTE as well as over 
> wifi, and both're having this issue.  I've called Apple, and they're not 
> exactly sure what's going on.  They're looking into it, but they're a little 
> bit stumped at this time.  This is on the nonbeta build of iOS 10.02, and I'm 
> also having the issue with ITunes 12.5.1 running on the nonbeta build of OSX 
> 10.12 Sierra with a Mac mini Late 2012 running 8GB ram, I5 processor.
>  
> I'm just curious if any of yall're seeing this as well, and if so, when 
> exactly did it start doing this to you?
>  
> Thanks for any help/suggestions.  By the way, yes, I have signed out and back 
> in both on my phone as well as on my mac from my Apple ID.  It's not a 
> network issue on my end, I don't think, as my friend's having the same issue, 
> and he's more than half way across the country from me gbeographicly.  Not 
> even on the same ISP.  I'm not running a firewall nor any security stuff that 
> would be blocking incoming nor outgoing traffic, and prior to yesterday, this 
> has not been an issue prolonging.
>  
> Chris.
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Apple Music being a little quirky?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ever since yesterday afternoon, I, along with another friend of mine are having 
a really bizarre issue.

Regardless its source, be it from the For You area, or from just searching, be 
it a station created off a certain criteria, (Beats1 not being included,) be it 
in my ICloud library etc.  Point is, if I try to stream music of any sort in a 
batch, meaning, I try to play multiple tracks back to back, my friend and I 
both are finding that after say, oh... what, roughly maybe 20 to 25 ish 
minutes? maybe half an hour at most? The stream will just totally die.  
Sometimes, it'll let the song finnish, but more times than not, it'll just stop 
dead cold.

I've not been able to really pinpoint down an exact pattern of occurance, nor 
an exact amount of time down to the minute when this happens.  It's a bit 
random.  I mean, it's around that 30 minute timeframe, but it could be a little 
more or less, give or take.  Both our devices have been rebooted, and we've 
both checked our internet connectivity and all is fine.

I've also tried, being I'm the one with a phone, both on LTE as well as over 
wifi, and both're having this issue.  I've called Apple, and they're not 
exactly sure what's going on.  They're looking into it, but they're a little 
bit stumped at this time.  This is on the nonbeta build of iOS 10.02, and I'm 
also having the issue with ITunes 12.5.1 running on the nonbeta build of OSX 
10.12 Sierra with a Mac mini Late 2012 running 8GB ram, I5 processor.

I'm just curious if any of yall're seeing this as well, and if so, when exactly 
did it start doing this to you?

Thanks for any help/suggestions.  By the way, yes, I have signed out and back 
in both on my phone as well as on my mac from my Apple ID.  It's not a network 
issue on my end, I don't think, as my friend's having the same issue, and he's 
more than half way across the country from me gbeographicly.  Not even on the 
same ISP.  I'm not running a firewall nor any security stuff that would be 
blocking incoming nor outgoing traffic, and prior to yesterday, this has not 
been an issue prolonging.

Chris.

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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

What can I say?
really, don't know,
I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do as much as he can do,
I think we found the solution, but let's see.
BUt thanks so much my friend.
and
I'm waiting the result.


On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hi Simon:
> Thanks so much for your reply,
> inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
> apple disk image, but Voice over told me that this is 2 or 3, but the
> number 1 in the table is not pronounced, and Voice over can not select
> it even with no name, it says space, and I can not eraise, particion
> or anything, because I can not select it, and all icons are dimmbed.
> so, how can I fix this/
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/29/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> HI Ramy,
>>
>> If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it should
>> open
>> very easily
>>
>> However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve never
>> myself been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not
>> knowing the correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>>
>> Hello Tim and all:
>> If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl
>> open
>> and try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank you
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>> Hello tim:
>> when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
>> outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
>> when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
>> system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
>> I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
>> so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
>> I access it?
>> the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much i have a hd without a name
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
>> "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make
>> sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
>> appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
>> Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
>> Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
>> mini.
>> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
>> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
>> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
>> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
>> I took the unit and came to my studio,
>> press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
>> OSX, I choose disk utility,
>> but, I can not find the SSD here.
>> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
>> I think this is not the SSD of cores,
>> so, what can I do now?
>> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
>> will it make difference?
>> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
>> image?need your advice
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Simon:
Thanks so much for your reply,
inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
apple disk image, but Voice over told me that this is 2 or 3, but the
number 1 in the table is not pronounced, and Voice over can not select
it even with no name, it says space, and I can not eraise, particion
or anything, because I can not select it, and all icons are dimmbed.
so, how can I fix this/
Thanks


On 9/29/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> HI Ramy,
>
> If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it should open
> very easily
>
> However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve never
> myself been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not
> knowing the correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>
> Hello Tim and all:
> If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl  open
> and try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank you
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa
> > wrote:
> Hello tim:
> when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
> outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
> when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
> system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
> I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
> so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
> I access it?
> the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
> > wrote:
>
> Thanks so much i have a hd without a name
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn
> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
> "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make
> sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
> appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
> Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
> Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa
> >
> wrote:
>
> Hello all:
> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
> mini.
> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
> I took the unit and came to my studio,
> press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
> OSX, I choose disk utility,
> but, I can not find the SSD here.
> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
> I think this is not the SSD of cores,
> so, what can I do now?
> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
> will it make difference?
> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
> image?need your advice
>
>
> --
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> Music instructor @:
> Faculty ofmusical education
> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
> Harmony Recording Studio
> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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RE: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Ramy,

If your asking if you can open the mac mini yourself then yes it should open 
very easily

However removing and replacing the drive is not an easy task I’ve never myself 
been able to do it successfully but that was partly due to not knowing the 
correct procedure to remove things in the mini case.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 7:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

Hello Tim and all:
If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl  open and 
try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
Hello tim:
when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
I access it?
the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
Thanks


On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:

Thanks so much i have a hd without a name

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:

Hi,

If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
"Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make
sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>
wrote:

Hello all:
Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
mini.
the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
I took the unit and came to my studio,
press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
OSX, I choose disk utility,
but, I can not find the SSD here.
I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
I think this is not the SSD of cores,
so, what can I do now?
of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
will it make difference?
i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
image?need your advice


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Music instructor @:
Faculty ofmusical education
Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg

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RE: parallels access

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

Yes it’s been around since I think version 6 of parallels,

It allows you to have a vm setup on your mac computer and then if your out and 
about and need to access your vm on that mac computer, you can setup parallels 
on your IOS device and then start the vm up running a windows session on your 
IOS device.

Only problem is that getting a screan reader like jaws to work is a no go to an 
absolute pig!

As I stated in an earlier message,
VM and citrix do a version also

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 2:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: parallels access

Huh?  Parallels is available for iOS?  This is new news to me.  LOL!  I wonder 
what on earth it does?  Now, you've got me curious.
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- Original Message -
From: mattias
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:52 PM
Subject: SV: parallels access

Ah my bad..
I should have writed parallels access for ipad

Från: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] För Christopher-Mark Gilland
Skickat: den 28 september 2016 18:50
Till: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Ämne: Re: parallels access

My point was, you asked about Parallels, which is a mac based program which 
runs on a mac.  This is why I wrote and said  it's not accessible, but to check 
out Fusion.  How was I to know ahead of time you didn't have a mac, and just 
further for your info.  No.  Not everyone on here has a mac, let alone a 
macbook, but that wasn't what you were asking.

You were asking about a piece of software which was designed to run on a mac.  
You asked if it was accessible, I said no, then gave you an alternative.  I'm 
sorry if I did wrong by doing so.

I'm done trying to answer this particular thread, as I see it going absolutely 
nowhere at this point that would be advantageous to the list.
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- Original Message -
From: mattias
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:15 PM
Subject: SV: parallels access

What? So all here own a macbook?
Don’t think so
Some people here maybe own a ipad only
Or maybe only iphone..

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Skickat: den 28 september 2016 17:56
Till: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Ämne: Re: parallels access

Well, you did! ask about this on a mac based mailing list, so, the assumption 
was made.  NO offense intended.  I mean that with all due respect.  Smile.
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- Original Message -
From: mattias
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:39 AM
Subject: SV: parallels access

Yes if I owned a macbook

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] För Christopher-Mark Gilland
Skickat: den 28 september 2016 15:59
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Ämne: Re: parallels access

Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare Fusion.

http://www.vmware.com/fusion
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- Original Message -
From: mattias
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: parallels access

Sounds intresting
But are it accessible?
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RE: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Simon Fogarty]

Ramy if the drive is still formatted as NTFS then you need to format it,

I would suggest here that you delete the partition and recreate it from scratch.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

Hello tim:
when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass system, 
but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when I close the 
table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can I access 
it?
the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
Thanks


On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Thanks so much i have a hd without a name
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the 
>> "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  
>> Make sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that 
>> doesn't appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab 
>> instead.  In the Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one 
>> partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS 
>> stuff.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac 
>> mini.
>> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just 
>> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we 
>> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the 
>> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
>> I took the unit and came to my studio, press, command option r, and I 
>> got the place to reinstall my original OSX, I choose disk utility, 
>> but, I can not find the SSD here.
>> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
>> I think this is not the SSD of cores, so, what can I do now?
>> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but 
>> will it make difference?
>> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, 
>> apple image?need your advice
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>>
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RE: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

If you look at the first thing in the list of disks in disk utility it should 
give you the name of the drive and it’s size,
Unless of course it has been changed by someone.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

Thanks so much i have a hd without a name

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:
Hi,

If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the "Select a 
Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make sure that you 
format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't appear to work, you 
may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the Partition tab, choose that 
you wish to create one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) and that should 
get rid of the NTFS stuff.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:

Hello all:
Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac mini.
the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
I took the unit and came to my studio,
press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
OSX, I choose disk utility,
but, I can not find the SSD here.
I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
I think this is not the SSD of cores,
so, what can I do now?
of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
will it make difference?
i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
image?need your advice


--
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Music instructor @:
Faculty ofmusical education
Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg

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RE: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

 You will need to boot the machine up and then run the Disk utility to view the 
drive,

 If the ssd isn't formatted or is formatted in say ntfs etc then the mac wont 
see what you want it to have.

 So you will probably need to format it first and then try setting things up.

HTH

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 10:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

Hello all:
Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac mini.
the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just blugged 
the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we listened to the chime, 
and he told me that if the mac didn't find the SSD or any of it's componants, 
we will not here  this chime.
I took the unit and came to my studio,
press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original OSX, I 
choose disk utility, but, I can not find the SSD here.
I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
I think this is not the SSD of cores,
so, what can I do now?
of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but will it 
make difference?
i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple 
image?need your advice


--
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Music instructor @:
Faculty ofmusical education
Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
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RE: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Simon Fogarty]

I'm not sure my fingers work that way,

 That's one crazy finger spread.

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Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 9:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Hey guys. I got a reply back from Apple Accessibility. So they say that if 
Voiceover crashes while using Alex, they want you to do something called a 
SysDiagnose command by pressing Control+Option+Command+Shift+Period and send 
them the logs as attachments. I'll do that when I feel like crashing my 
computer which should be fun lol. *:P

Shawn
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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after downloading the 
> voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it went back to alex 
> what in the world?
> 
> 
> On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> O As I'm about to update to 10.12
>>> Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 
>>> make sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which 
>>> is not going to screw up my machine?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing 
>>> Sparrow
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>>> 
>>> What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
>>> after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
 Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
 issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
 strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
 disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
 away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
 never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing 
 one I can guide you through how to do it.
 
 
 Shawn
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing 
 Sparrow
 Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
 
 Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here 
 is what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 
 white pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally 
 stopped working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 
 10.11 I know at least one person on the list that has the same 
 macbook I have and they haven't had any problems.
 
 What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i 
 fix this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love 
 to continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please 
 advise me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
 
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RE: SV: parallels access

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes iPads are an apple product 

If your asking if parallels can be used on an iPad etc then the answr is yes it 
can!

 The IOS app for Parallels works as a portal between the IOS device and a 
computer that you have parallels  setup and working on,

 If you then have parallels running an OS such as windows then the parallels 
app on your iPad can be told to pick up that VM and give it to you on the IOS 
device.

 VM do a similar product which was previously called horizon but I believe has 
since changed.

Citrix also do a similar product using the citrix receiver  and running windows 
through wha tthey call a xenapp desktop 

 So yes they can work but good luck with using them if you’re a screan reader 
user as the accessibility for parallels is non existant,

 VM will work but authorisation of jaws or similar I haven't figured out yet,

 And the same with the citrix xen system.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 5:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: SV: SV: parallels access

Yes and ipads are from apple
Parallels access
But seems it are a rdp like client

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För E.T.
Skickat: den 28 september 2016 18:21
Till: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Ämne: Re: SV: parallels access

Let's just say that this is a group for Apple prioducts. What was your 
question again? (smiles)

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On 9/28/2016 9:15 AM, mattias wrote:
> What? So all here own a macbook?
>
> Don’t think so
>
> Some people here maybe own a ipad only
>
> Or maybe only iphone..
>
>
>
> *Från:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *För *Christopher-Mark 
> Gilland
> *Skickat:* den 28 september 2016 17:56
> *Till:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Ämne:* Re: parallels access
>
>
>
> Well, you did! ask about this on a mac based mailing list, so, the 
> assumption was made.  NO offense intended.  I mean that with all due 
> respect.  Smile.
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> *From:*mattias 
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> *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> *Sent:*Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:39 AM
>
> *Subject:*SV: parallels access
>
>
>
> Yes if I owned a macbook
>
>
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *För *Christopher-Mark Gilland
> *Skickat:* den 28 september 2016 15:59
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> 
> *Ämne:* Re: parallels access
>
>
>
> Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with
> VMWare Fusion.
>
>
>
> http://www.vmware.com/fusion
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> *From:*mattias 
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> *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> *Sent:*Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:15 AM
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> *Subject:*parallels access
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>
>
> Sounds intresting
>
> But are it accessible?
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RE: parallels access

[Simon Fogarty]

I tried it a couple of months back having been told it was accessible

I can confirm it’s accessibility is absolute crap.
Even the installation process needed sighted assistance to get things installed.


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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 2:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: parallels access

Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare Fusion.

http://www.vmware.com/fusion
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: parallels access

Sounds intresting
But are it accessible?
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello Tim and all:
If the technician cannot replace the SSD quiet  will mac mini  willl  open and 
try to install the system on it or it will refuse opening? Thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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> On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello tim:
> when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
> outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
> when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
> system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
> I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
> so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
> I access it?
> the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
> Thanks
> 
> 
>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Thanks so much i have a hd without a name
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
>>> "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make
>>> sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
>>> appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
>>> Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
>>> Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
>>> mini.
>>> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
>>> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
>>> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
>>> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
>>> I took the unit and came to my studio,
>>> press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
>>> OSX, I choose disk utility,
>>> but, I can not find the SSD here.
>>> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
>>> I think this is not the SSD of cores,
>>> so, what can I do now?
>>> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
>>> will it make difference?
>>> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
>>> image?need your advice
>>> 
>>> 
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