Leaving beta

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all,
I was 1 of the iphone beta testers but i need to leave this, because my time 
did not allow me to test in a good way. So, how can i install the original 
version from ios10 and recieve the updates as usual not beta versions!
Thanks in advance
Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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Sierra and User Name

[E.T.]

   When I did the clean install today the user name used for the user 
folder was changed. How do I change it? Is it safe to just edit the 
folder name? Thanks.


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Re: Ipod Touch Case

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. This is the exact one I purchased...

https://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Black-Heavy-Survivor-touch/dp/B00DKTOPL8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8=1475456566=8-4=ipod+touch+griffin+survivor



On 9/27/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
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>> Can you Send a link for the particular case you recomand I can not seem to
>>
>> find a link for the case.
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/2016 8:29 PM, Cameron Strife wrote:
>>> Hi. I researched a ton of cases before settling on the griffin
>>> survivor heavy duty case for my iPod touch 6th generation.
>>>
>>> There is a distinct lack of high quality cases for the current touch
>>> which is disappointing. The Lifeproof has terrible reviews and seems
>>> to be nothing like the Lifeproof cases for the iPhone 6s for
>>> example...
>>>
>>> Check out the Griffin Survivor. The older ones had an issue with the
>>> screen protector but I think they dealt with that as I've had no
>>> issues with touch sensitivity with this new case. Also, the buttons
>>> and ports are all easy to access.
>>>
>>> Let us know what you end up going with!
>>>
>>> Cameron.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/27/16, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
 Does anyone know if Otter Box makes any cases for the Ipod Touch?

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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Blee Blat]

If you are serious about music, there is no way is fits on these small devices. 
That's why I just said "screw it" and paid for the streaming service. Sure, it 
requires an internet connection, but you can get stuff offline if needed and if 
my connection screws up I've got bigger problems than music not working.

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Re: Trillion question.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, how do you do that?  I’ve never had to do that before.
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> One thing to possibly check  is to make sure your status is set to “Online” 
> in the Status menu, access where all the other status menus like the time and 
> Wi-Fi are. So, what you do is find the one for Trilian and VO Space on that 
> one, find Online,and VO Space on that.Then, if it doesn’t reconnect, quit and 
> restart the program.
> I hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> I’ve just recently noticed after connecting to trillion, that it just says 
>> “off line contacts,” and won’t show my on line contacts anymore, and I know 
>> I have contacts on line, because I check my messenger app on my Iphone, and 
>> have several on line there.  Also, I just select one at random after doing a 
>> right-arrow command, which pulls up everybody, which doesn’t tell me whether 
>> they’re on or off line, IM someone, and get lucky when someone responds, so 
>> obviously someone’s on line then, so I have no idea what’s going on now.  
>> I’m not sure if it auto-updates, and if so, the latest update has 
>> accessibility issues, or what the deal is, but this just seemed to suddenly 
>> happen out of the blue.  Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Need help with a website. This is utterly ridiculous!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, Mark, but I wasn't trying to select any of the current results.  I was 
trying to start a brand new conversation topic.  Yeah, what you did works 
just fine.  It's when you try creating a brand spanken new topic that things 
go awri.

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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Need help with a website. This is utterly ridiculous!


Hello Chris,

I could not reproduce your bug.

This is to say, I went to the website, using Sierra, however, and located 
the "Ask the community" edit field.


I typed in several questions, including the string that you provided, and a 
results list was displayed.


I will tell you that in order to see the results list, I used the Headings 
item in the VoiceOver Rotor.  I selected the first answer in the table. 
After that, I simply used VO+Right Arrow to scroll through the list of 
replies to various questions.  I found the site relatively straight-forward.


I performed the various searches using a MacBook Pro, mid-2014 with Sierra.

As I have a terrible head cold, I'm signing off for tonight.  Please forgive 
any typos in this post.


Good luck on your serch.

Mark


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 4:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need help with a website. This is utterly ridiculous!

OK, the site is:

http://community.sony.com

I got my account registered, although I'm not sure how necessary that'll be 
for you all to see my problem.


BTW, I'm doing this with El Capitan 10.11.6.  I tried on my macbook running 
Sierra, however, and the results were no better.


Once on this page, there is a search or ask the community text box.

In this field, I typed without the quotes, "Blind individual needs help with 
minidisk MZ-N505 recorder."


I then hit VO+Right arrow and got over to the ask now button, and hit 
VO+Space, as you'd suspect.


About two times out of at least 6 or 7, the page took a monumental dump on 
me, and totally crashed Safari.  One of the two times, it even totally 
crashed Voiceover to the point I couldn't even turn it back on.  I literally 
had to restart the mac to regain both speech and braille output.


The few times that I did manage to get it not to crash, it looks like the 
Voiceover focus is jumping haywire all over the blasted page, and won't stay 
still.  Even turning off cursor tracking with VO+Shift+F3 doesn't help.  It 
still jumps all over the place.


The one time I lucked out and it didn't jump, I saw search results, but they 
were completely irrelavent.  I thought perhaps I could just keep vo+right 
arrowing, and eventually I'd get to an option like with most forums, where 
it would say something to the effect of, don't see a rellavent result? Click 
here to start a new topic.


Even when logged in, I click on new conversation, but then I get that stupid 
search page again!  No matter what the heck I do, I can't get past that 
step.


I called Sony, and they are completely! unhelpful, what else is new. - 
Doesn't surprise me in the least.  Mister Habib barely spoke english.  I'll 
leave my comments to myself on that note, but, yeah...


I have a big recording project coming up, and was donated this unit.  It's 
not required, although it would be very very helpful if I could use it.  All 
I'm trying to do is figure out if someone in the forums could tell me how 
many button presses in the menu I need to do to delete an individual track, 
as well as what to do to delete an entire disk in one shebang.  Provided 
someone could tell me that, I'd be in good shape.  I downloaded the pdf 
manual, but it's not helping.  It gives the steps, but as always, no menu 
matrix.


So, if someone could help me get this question posted to the forums, I'd 
really! appreciate it!


Chris.
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RE: Need help with a website. This is utterly ridiculous!

[M. Taylor]

Hello Chris,

I could not reproduce your bug.

This is to say, I went to the website, using Sierra, however, and located the 
"Ask the community" edit field.  

I typed in several questions, including the string that you provided, and a 
results list was displayed.  

I will tell you that in order to see the results list, I used the Headings item 
in the VoiceOver Rotor.  I selected the first answer in the table.  After that, 
I simply used VO+Right Arrow to scroll through the list of replies to various 
questions.  I found the site relatively straight-forward.

I performed the various searches using a MacBook Pro, mid-2014 with Sierra.

As I have a terrible head cold, I'm signing off for tonight.  Please forgive 
any typos in this post.

Good luck on your serch.

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 4:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need help with a website. This is utterly ridiculous!

OK, the site is:
 
http://community.sony.com
 
I got my account registered, although I'm not sure how necessary that'll be for 
you all to see my problem.
 
BTW, I'm doing this with El Capitan 10.11.6.  I tried on my macbook running 
Sierra, however, and the results were no better.
 
Once on this page, there is a search or ask the community text box.
 
In this field, I typed without the quotes, "Blind individual needs help with 
minidisk MZ-N505 recorder."
 
I then hit VO+Right arrow and got over to the ask now button, and hit VO+Space, 
as you'd suspect.
 
About two times out of at least 6 or 7, the page took a monumental dump on me, 
and totally crashed Safari.  One of the two times, it even totally crashed 
Voiceover to the point I couldn't even turn it back on.  I literally had to 
restart the mac to regain both speech and braille output.
 
The few times that I did manage to get it not to crash, it looks like the 
Voiceover focus is jumping haywire all over the blasted page, and won't stay 
still.  Even turning off cursor tracking with VO+Shift+F3 doesn't help.  It 
still jumps all over the place.
 
The one time I lucked out and it didn't jump, I saw search results, but they 
were completely irrelavent.  I thought perhaps I could just keep vo+right 
arrowing, and eventually I'd get to an option like with most forums, where it 
would say something to the effect of, don't see a rellavent result? Click here 
to start a new topic.
 
Even when logged in, I click on new conversation, but then I get that stupid 
search page again!  No matter what the heck I do, I can't get past that step.
 
I called Sony, and they are completely! unhelpful, what else is new. - Doesn't 
surprise me in the least.  Mister Habib barely spoke english.  I'll leave my 
comments to myself on that note, but, yeah...
 
I have a big recording project coming up, and was donated this unit.  It's not 
required, although it would be very very helpful if I could use it.  All I'm 
trying to do is figure out if someone in the forums could tell me how many 
button presses in the menu I need to do to delete an individual track, as well 
as what to do to delete an entire disk in one shebang.  Provided someone could 
tell me that, I'd be in good shape.  I downloaded the pdf manual, but it's not 
helping.  It gives the steps, but as always, no menu matrix.
 
So, if someone could help me get this question posted to the forums, I'd 
really! appreciate it!
 
Chris.
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Minidisk Recorders, USB, and macs

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So... I wanted to put this in a separet thread, as it didn't seem appropriate 
putting it with my question about the website.

I have a Sony MZ-N505 Gold colored portable minidisk recorder unit that was 
recently donated to me.

Obviously, the menus don't speak, and I can't really get someone sighted to 
help me, as the problem is, the menus though don't wrap, don't seem to be very 
consistent.  For example:  One minute after enterring the edit menu, I'll right 
arrow twice to get to the erase option.  Other times, I'll find that I have to 
arrow 3 times, instead of 2.  It's fvreaking stupid!  There is no pattern that 
I can see to things.  The menus basically seem to change slightly at full 
random.  You'd think that wouldn't be possible.  A menu's a menu, but 
apparently not.

Anyway, to tie this back into the mac side, here's my question.  The unit has a 
mini USB port on it.  I indeed do have a cable that fits.  Looking on the Sony 
website at:

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=MZN505

Under drivers and software, you'll find that there are update patches to things 
like Simple Burner, and OpenMG® Jukebox, etc, as well as Sonic Stage, but the 
actual software itself isn't there.  Only the walkman drivers, and the 
patch/updates.  I can't find the full fledged installers for the software.  The 
lady who donated this to me swears to God that it's not USB compatible, and 
there is no CD rom that came with the unit.  The website is saying differently, 
and obviously, yes it is USB compatible, as I can plug it in with no problem, 
and when I do, then go under system profiler report in About this Mac, I 
definitely see it listed.

My question is, first of all, is there anywhere to get the OpenMG Jukebox 
software?  Apparently, it's not model specific.  It supports several different 
models, mine being one of them.  Secondly, If not, then are there any free 
software packages out there, or if not free, at least very affordible, that 
will allow you to connect a minidisk recorder via USB, then transfer mp3's over 
to the minidisk which is in the recorder, as well as let you delete tracks over 
USB.  Before anyone asks, no, this unit doesn't act as a removable media drive. 
 You absolutely cannot use it with the Finder.  At least not natively.  It's 
not like a CD drive.  And no, it doesn't show up as another burnable drive in 
burning apps like Simplyburns, or what not.  It's not quite that easy.

I just figure, if I can find a way to transfer via USB, then that may solve 90 
percent of my problems.  Apparently, that's exactly what the OpenMG Jukebox 
software was supposed to do.

Chris.

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Need help with a website. This is utterly ridiculous!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, the site is:

http://community.sony.com

I got my account registered, although I'm not sure how necessary that'll be for 
you all to see my problem.

BTW, I'm doing this with El Capitan 10.11.6.  I tried on my macbook running 
Sierra, however, and the results were no better.

Once on this page, there is a search or ask the community text box.

In this field, I typed without the quotes, "Blind individual needs help with 
minidisk MZ-N505 recorder."

I then hit VO+Right arrow and got over to the ask now button, and hit VO+Space, 
as you'd suspect.

About two times out of at least 6 or 7, the page took a monumental dump on me, 
and totally crashed Safari.  One of the two times, it even totally crashed 
Voiceover to the point I couldn't even turn it back on.  I literally had to 
restart the mac to regain both speech and braille output.

The few times that I did manage to get it not to crash, it looks like the 
Voiceover focus is jumping haywire all over the blasted page, and won't stay 
still.  Even turning off cursor tracking with VO+Shift+F3 doesn't help.  It 
still jumps all over the place.

The one time I lucked out and it didn't jump, I saw search results, but they 
were completely irrelavent.  I thought perhaps I could just keep vo+right 
arrowing, and eventually I'd get to an option like with most forums, where it 
would say something to the effect of, don't see a rellavent result? Click here 
to start a new topic.

Even when logged in, I click on new conversation, but then I get that stupid 
search page again!  No matter what the heck I do, I can't get past that step.

I called Sony, and they are completely! unhelpful, what else is new. - Doesn't 
surprise me in the least.  Mister Habib barely spoke english.  I'll leave my 
comments to myself on that note, but, yeah...

I have a big recording project coming up, and was donated this unit.  It's not 
required, although it would be very very helpful if I could use it.  All I'm 
trying to do is figure out if someone in the forums could tell me how many 
button presses in the menu I need to do to delete an individual track, as well 
as what to do to delete an entire disk in one shebang.  Provided someone could 
tell me that, I'd be in good shape.  I downloaded the pdf manual, but it's not 
helping.  It gives the steps, but as always, no menu matrix.

So, if someone could help me get this question posted to the forums, I'd 
really! appreciate it!

Chris.

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Re: Dash vs Minus

[E.T.]

   Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find 
the list of those codes  This will be useful.


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On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus sign 
but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive numbers.

There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE minus 
as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into edit->emotes and 
symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search for minus.

There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! What 
fun we could have.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth the 
effort to find out.

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On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:

That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would not 
notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are involved, 
dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be good.

So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two characters? 
Thanks much.

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On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 'dash'?

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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not that this is any sort of a competition, but try about 4 terrabytes!  I 
didn't say, gigga!  I said what I said, I have about 4 terra! bytes.  So, 
imagine trying to put all that! on a watch.  LOL!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


That's still not a lot.  I've got about 40GB on my iPod.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 2, 2016, at 3:45 PM, David Griffith  wrote:

Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will 
increase to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this discussion 
earlier on the thread.



David Griffith


On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:
At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple 
Watch that's not a whole lot.


Sent from my iPhone 7


On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my 
Apple Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, 
but as I understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the 
cloud, or another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you 
could just store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about 
things like long car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you 
could burn through a lot of data if you used your data connection.  I 
think I'll stick with my plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)

Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  
wrote:


You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to 
shift people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no 
definite knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems 
speculation that iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer 
term switch.



I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
page "footer area".



The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now 
so it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.




David Griffith



On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:

I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I 
had been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After 
reading this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had 
were from marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock 
to sell directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what 
this means, but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to 
buy something that is going to be out of date in a year or two.

Dolores

On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about. 
That is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my 
faith in what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what 
they're talking about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, 
when in actuality no one on this list has concrete proof that he is.

Cheers,
Donna
On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're 
not in the blame here.

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- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Chris,

Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.

Donna
On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever 
is spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this 
and that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. 
Again, not blaming anyone here, just offering some constructive 
criticism to the list overall.
On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, and the only way to then play it without an iPod, or iPhone is to have 
a set of bluetooth headphones pared to the watch.  Trust me, I learned that 
the hard way.

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- Original Message - 
From: "David tanner" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
that's not a whole lot.


Sent from my iPhone 7


On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just 
store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like 
long car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn 
through a lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll 
stick with my plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)

Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  
wrote:


You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that 
iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.



I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
page "footer area".



The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so 
it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.




David Griffith



On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:

I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I 
had been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After 
reading this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were 
from marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, 
but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something 
that is going to be out of date in a year or two.

Dolores

On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about. 
That is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my 
faith in what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what 
they're talking about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, 
when in actuality no one on this list has concrete proof that he is.

Cheers,
Donna
On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're 
not in the blame here.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Chris,

Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.

Donna
On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever 
is spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, 
not blaming anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism 
to the list overall.
On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber 
 wrote:


Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to 
discontinued the iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually 
bought an iPod touch 6 generation  on December of last  year! I 
think  the best thing is to call apple itself and ask these 
question or email apple accessibility and so on.  What do you guys 
think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

That's still not a lot.  I've got about 40GB on my iPod.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 3:45 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will increase 
> to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this discussion earlier on the 
> thread.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:
>> At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
>> that's not a whole lot.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
>>> Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
>>> understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
>>> another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just 
>>> store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like 
>>> long car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn 
>>> through a lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick 
>>> with my plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
 
 You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
 people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
 knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
 development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
 
 
 I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
 apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
 page "footer area".
 
 
 The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so 
 it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
 
 
 
 David Griffith
 
 
> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
> 
> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading 
> this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from 
> marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
> directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, 
> but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something 
> that is going to be out of date in a year or two.
> Dolores
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That 
>> is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in 
>> what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking 
>> about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality 
>> no one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
>>> criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
 On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
 criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're 
 not in the blame here.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
 
 
 Chris,
 
 Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
 contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
 attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
 better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
 questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
 Donna
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
> sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
> that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[David Griffith]

Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will 
increase to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this discussion 
earlier on the thread.



David Griffith


On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:

At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
that's not a whole lot.

Sent from my iPhone 7


On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just store 
your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like long car 
trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a lot of 
data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my plan to keep 
an old phone as an iPod. :)
Cheers,
Donna


On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:

You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.


I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod apart from its 
presence in a list of products described as being in the page "footer area".


The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so it 
seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.



David Griffith



On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:

I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had been 
looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading this thread, 
I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from marketplace orders.  
They did not seem to have any in stock to sell directly like they did a few 
weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but I’m not buying another iPod right 
now.  I refuse to buy something that is going to be out of date in a year or 
two.
Dolores

On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what I 
hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  Just 
saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on this list 
has concrete proof that he is.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are criticizing 
here. Good call here Chris .

On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:

Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're criticizing 
the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in the blame here.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Chris,

Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line contained a 
question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the attention of the list is 
because I figured someone here would have better information than the guy from 
BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was allowed on this list.  So hold 
your criticism.
Donna

On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading rumours, 
on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s allright saying a 
guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody from anywhere can make 
things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone here, just offering some 
constructive criticism to the list overall.

On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  wrote:

Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the iPod 
touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 generation  on 
December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call apple itself and ask 
these question or email apple accessibility and so on.  What do you guys think? 
I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber
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Re: correction re: google docs:

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have used the question mark in Google Mail and Google Groups. So at least in 
some cases this will work for Google products too.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Oct 2, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> the keystroke to bring keystrokes up is command+/
> In other web based   apps, that i use daily, e.g. Facebook, Twitter, Trello, 
> Slack, etc the keystroke to show keystrokes is a question mark, however 
> google products is a command+/ on the mac.
> That’s what i get for assuming!
> sorry for the confusion all, and next time i’ll consume coffee before i reply 
> to list messages :)
> best.
> Michael
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Jonathan Cohn]

The progress should be in the purchased area near the "pause" button.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 




> On Oct 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello Tim and Simon:
> 
> I just wana tell you that I went to the technition and the SSD was not
> fixed will. he fixes it and  I installed the Mountain lion, and am now
> updating to EL capitan.
> 
> Thanks so much for your help
> 
> just 1 question.
> am now downloading the el capitan, but I can not find the progress to
> know the percentage, is there a way to know it when am inside the mac
> app store?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> On 9/30/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Yeah I wish I was in more of a situation to have a look,
>> 
>> I do think that having the drive taken out and completely wiped is going to
>> be the best result at this point.
>> 
>> Ramy if your  reading,
>> 
>> I think Tim and I are out of ideas in this situation.
>> 
>> I would suggest getting the mac mini back to the tech and having him remove
>> the drive and then completely wipe it clean.
>> 
>> Even if he does nothing more then we can or should I say should be able to
>> get it up and working the same way we did with your USB flash drive.
>> 
>> But the tech could be a nice guy and wipe then partition the drive in to 1
>> partition with mac osx extended journeled and GUID
>> 
>> Then an install via USB will be or should I say should work perfectly  touch
>> wood.
>> 
>> Please update us on what you are thinking next.
>> 
>> Hope this Helps.
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 2:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Target Disk mode will only work with USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt, no
>> ethernet, sorry.  Yes, Terminal would be another good option, although, not
>> near as friendly to the inexperienced.  After reading your posts with
>> respect to the USB startup stick initially seeing the drive, that makes my
>> suggestion of the drive not being seated properly as unlikely.
>> 
>> Wish I was closer.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 01:19, Simon Fogarty
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> Ok, glad the install went ok to the USB,
>> 
>> Yes sorry it is going to be slow but it is only a work around until we get
>> things up and running correctly on the SSD.
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Do you know if target disk mode will work via an Ethernet network cable?
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> 
>> Do you by anychance have a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable?
>> 
>> Or can you get hold of one for a couple of days?
>> 
>> Tim your  thoughts on my thinking,
>> 
>> If Ramy starts up his mac mini using the USB flash drive which is working,
>> But into target disk mode,
>> Should he be able to see the SSD if the USB Flash drive is the primary os
>> drive in the machine?
>> 
>> Just wondering if target disk mode worked he could partition the ssd via
>> that means?
>> 
>> I'm starting to think that the SSD might be needing to be taken out again
>> and wiped then put back in and setup from scratch.
>> 
>> Ramy I'll try getting hold of one of our work mac techs and see if they can
>> give me a command line command for partitioning the SSD
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 9:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>> 
>> Hello Simon and TIm:
>> after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion installed
>> on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
>> the Surprise  is that, the disk utility can not see the SSD HD at all, don't
>> know why, but it can not see it at all.
>> any ideas?
>> it can  see only the Kingstone USB, any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much tim, and I know that you are a very great helper.
>> 
>> On 9/29/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> 
>> Sorry I've been slow with responses.  Very busy at work and doing
>> renovations at home so I'm not able to check eMails as often as I'd like.
>> Yes, please keep me in the loop and I'll help as much as possible.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 03:40, Ramy Moustafa
>> >
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What can I say?
>> really, don't know,
>> I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do 

Re: Dash vs Minus

[Blee Blat]

Fascinating.  You just gave us a new toy. Thank you!

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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[David tanner]

At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
that's not a whole lot.

Sent from my iPhone 7

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
> Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
> understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
> another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just 
> store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like long 
> car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a 
> lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my 
> plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
>> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
>> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
>> development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
>> 
>> 
>> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
>> apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the page 
>> "footer area".
>> 
>> 
>> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so it 
>> seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>>> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
>>> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading 
>>> this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from 
>>> marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
>>> directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but 
>>> I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is 
>>> going to be out of date in a year or two.
>>> Dolores
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That 
 is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in 
 what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking 
 about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no 
 one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
> criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not 
>> in the blame here.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>> 
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
>> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
>> better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
>> questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
>>> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
>>> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
>>> sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
>>> that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, 
>>> not blaming anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to 
>>> the list overall.
 On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued 
 the iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod 
 touch 6 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing 
 is to call apple itself and ask these question or email apple 
 accessibility and so on.  What do you guys think? I look 

What's in the box with Hannah's mac

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

Some of you were asking what’s in the box with Hannah’s mac. Well, thanks to 
more research, found out the software that’s in the box is OS X El Capitan, and 
not say one or two updates behind with Sierra. It seems all macs, including the 
Macbook Air which we are now sleeping on, come with OS X El Capitan.

Sorry, must have been an oversight on my part.



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hyperlinks in PDF

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan on my iMac. I have a pages document which 
contains hyperlinks which work fine in pages with VoiceOver saying “Link” 
before each hyperlink. Alas when I export this file to PDF Preview does not 
seem to recognise the hyperlinks. From web research this conversion ought to 
work OK. 

Do hyperlinks work in PDF documents under Preview for anyone? If so can you 
please point me to such a PDF document. 

Many thanks….

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just store 
your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like long car 
trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a lot of 
data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my plan to keep 
an old phone as an iPod. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
> development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
> 
> 
> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod apart 
> from its presence in a list of products described as being in the page 
> "footer area".
> 
> 
> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so it 
> seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
> 
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
> 
>> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
>> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading this 
>> thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from marketplace 
>> orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell directly like they 
>> did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but I’m not buying 
>> another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is going to be out 
>> of date in a year or two.
>> Dolores
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
>>> certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what 
>>> I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  
>>> Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on 
>>> this list has concrete proof that he is.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
 criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not 
> in the blame here.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have better 
> information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions 
> was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
> Donna
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
>> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
>> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. 
>> It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but 
>> anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming 
>> anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to the list 
>> overall.
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued 
>>> the iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 
>>> 6 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to 
>>> call apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility 
>>> and so on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you 
>>> soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> Group Moderator
>>> 
>>> for the IPad help for the blind
>>> 
>>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 

Re: Dash vs Minus

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus sign 
but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive numbers.

There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE 
minus as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into edit->emotes 
and symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search for minus.

There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! What 
fun we could have.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth 
> the effort to find out.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
>> Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
>> ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
>>> number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
 
 That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
 not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
 involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not 
 be good.
 
 So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
 characters? Thanks much.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for 
> the Substitution
> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
> hope that helps
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
>> 'dash'?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Article from Digital trends continues. Only Apple could do this.

[Kevin Chao]

W1 Chip still has lag :(
Based on below excerpt, latency in w1 chip is less than most Bluetooth, but
latency /= 0 ms | /= Wired connection.
"... a RemoteTalk headphone cable with 3.5mm headphone jacks ...  This,
effectively, allows you to turn your Beats Solo3 Wireless Headphones into a
pair of Beats Solo3 Wired Headphones. This is great for those times ... for
other occasions, such as low latency podcast monitoring (latency is
significantly less than most Bluetooth headphones, yet it’s still
discernible.)"
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/hands-on-beats-solo3-wireless-the-first-available-headphones-featuring-apples-new-w1-chip-video/

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 2:09 PM Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Thanks for the clarification.  I do not use an iphone, but admit that
> seemed to be dreadfully faulty  designing if it were true.
> Kare
>
>
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> > Kare, I’ve owned a lightning based device since the day it was release
> on the iPhone.  It has never popped out.  That is a red herring if I ever
> heard of one.  Try forgetting sometime to unplug your power cable or
> lightning port and let me know how that works out for you.:)  I’ve torn the
> end off a cable before with out it popping out.  This is one reason the
> apple Magsafe adapter is the way it is.  It’s just lightly attached to the
> side so if someone kicks your cable or you forget to detach it just pops
> clean, no damage to the board.
> >
> > The claim the jack pops out is more clickbait.
> >
> >> On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Scot,
> >> You do not think that having a part of a phone, i. e. the port, popping
> out when used is well a reason for concern?
> >> certainly only serious audiophiles can tell the difference in sound
> quality, but the idea of  phone parts  being easily lost  seems important
> perhaps?
> >> Kare
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Scott Granados wrote:
> >>
> >>> The whole thing basically turned out to be a non event with some
> looking for click bate out of the deal.
> >>>
> >>> I bet similar arguments happened when the jack was reduced from
> quarter inch to 8th inch or when we started using 3 prong plugs instead of
> 2.  (try plugging something in modern in my mother’s house, you need an
> adapter lol)  I’ll date my self but anyone remember when phones switched
> from the 4 pin open connectors to the RJ-11?  How about round tube records
> to flat records, wire to tape.  Oh man could you imagine if this was 30
> years ago and the argument would have been VHS verses Beta and the wrong
> one ended up being the standard.  Or the whole bluerey verses the other one
> that we don’t even remember any more.
> >>>
> >>> Ah well, people need to generate traffic for their blogs and look
> important.
> >>>
>  On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Change always elicits reactions like this. I am sure we all can
> think of many things that provoked similar reaction. Perhaps if a survey
> was taken where people were asked at what date would they like to see
> change stopped, the responses would be as numerous as the sand on the beach.
> 
>   There are changes happening that are much more important and
> critical than the loss of a headphone jack. But I will leave it at that.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>  On 9/9/2016 2:20 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> > Hi!
> > Hmm, he seems to be having a problematic atitude imho.
> > But its his problem.
> > /AS
> >> On 9 Sep 2016, at 01:23, Karen Lewellen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Like Tim I have remained silent, waiting for what others in the
> industry expressed about  the headphone jack.
> >> The article below  indicates that yes only Apple could do
> this...but frankly there is little reason for it to be done.  I found
> particularly interesting the weak nature of the lightning  port in terms of
> popping out of the phone if stressed, the less than stellar quality of both
> bluetooth and wireless headphones, at least if you care about sound
> quality, how quality could be achieved while keeping the jack,  and most
> interesting for those using audio, you cannot charge the phone and listen
> at the same time.  If it impacts music, will it also impact voiceover?
> >> Article is below.  I leave it to others here for comments if any.
> >> As the iPhone's headphone jack dies, Apple wins and you lose
> >> By Caleb Denison -- September 7, 2016 4:09 PM
> >>
> >> As predicted, Apple just killed off the headphone jack in the new
> >> iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The familiar and universal 3.5mm
> >> headphone jack -- also known as the 1/8-inch headphone jack and
> >> TS jack -- is nowhere to be found on its new phones. Apple
> >> wheeled 

Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Kevin Chao]

W1 Chip still has lag :(
Based on below excerpt, latency in w1 chip is less than most Bluetooth, but
latency /= 0 ms | /= Wired connection.
"... a RemoteTalk headphone cable with 3.5mm headphone jacks ...  This,
effectively, allows you to turn your Beats Solo3 Wireless Headphones into a
pair of Beats Solo3 Wired Headphones. This is great for those times ... for
other occasions, such as low latency podcast monitoring (latency is
significantly less than most Bluetooth headphones, yet it’s still
discernible.)"
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/hands-on-beats-solo3-wireless-the-first-available-headphones-featuring-apples-new-w1-chip-video/

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM Scott Granados  wrote:

> I think it all depends on when things get sourced, parts are finished and
> assembly takes place.  Apple likes to build up a big supply before they let
> something go.  You have a very good point I just figure something in the
> supply chain held something up and they didn’t want to stall on the phone.
>
> Pure speculation of course.
>
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> I wonder why they're not released until end of October. It would have been
> great to pre-order AirPods along the iPhone 7 and Watch Series 2.
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 8:10 PM David Chittenden 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> The new Apple Air Pods, using Apple's new chip, are Bluetooth with an
> additional technology which, according to Apple, removes all delay from the
> audio. So, there should not be any delay in VoiceOver.
>
> The Air Pods will automatically switch between mono and stereo depending
> on whether they are in one ear or both ears. They can be paired with
> non-Apple bluetooth devices. They are paired to devices whilst in the
> charging case. Apparently, opening the case activates the paring system if
> they are not in range of a device that they are already paired with.
>
> In the Apple ecosystem, pairing with one device will automatically pair
> with all devices using the sane iCloud account.
>
> If they stay in my ears, and are comfortable, I am definitely getting a
> pair.
>
> Oh, and if one is lost, apparently Apple will sell single replacement
> units, though there is no mention of price yet.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12 Sep 2016, at 13:11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Do the AirPods address the inherit lag that is on *all* bluetooth audio
> devices, which is pronounced when using *any* screen reader?
> i.e. Hope the latency will be equivalent between lightning EarPods and
> wireless AirPods when using VoiceOver.
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 2:32 PM Robin  wrote:
>
> ThisChip W1Chip could Solely BelongTo Apple & Would ONLY Operate
> AppleDevices ... Apple's BlueTooth Channel
> At 06:00 AM 9/9/2016, you wrote:
>
> I don’t see how this works though.
>
> The iPhone has a specific W1 chip included.  I don’t know if bluetooth
> is the underlying wireless protocol but none of the other devices have this
> W1 chip.  So how will my EarPods talk to my iPad air2 for example with no
> W1 processor?  Must be some sort of bluetooth support under the hood for
> compatibility across the product line like that.  It wasn’t mentioned
> though so wondering how it works.  I was under the impression that the
> wireless connection itself was over a proprietary protocol and not
> bluetooth.  Would love to be wrong on that.
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> hang On,
> so if I pair these pods to my iPhone 6s+ which is running IOS 10,
> and if my watch is running OS3 and my iPad and iPods are all running IOS
> 10 as well, these pods will automatically be picked up by those other
> devices?
>
>
> Simply because I’m using my itunes account on all the devices.
>
>
>
> Awesome,shame about the NZ price of the pods though, apple.co.nz shows
> them as being around 250 dollars when they are released.
>
> Bloody cool though.
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ]*On
> Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Friday, 9 September 2016 5:30 AM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; VIPhone 'RobH. ' via <
> viph...@googlegroups.com >
> *Subject:* AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
>
>
> *Here is some more on the air pods. They will work with your Mac or your
> iPad or other iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud as your new
> iPhone  AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome *Macworld
> /  Susie Ochs
>
>
> I didn’t want to like the AirPods , I
> really didn’t. But in the hands-on area after Apple’s iPhone 7 event on
> Wednesday, I found myself dancing along in spite of myself—and the AirPods
> stayed put, feeling surprisingly secure. With 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[David Griffith]

You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to 
shift people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no 
definite knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems 
speculation that iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer 
term switch.



I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
page "footer area".



The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now 
so it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.




David Griffith


On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:


I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had been 
looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading this thread, 
I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from marketplace orders.  
They did not seem to have any in stock to sell directly like they did a few 
weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but I’m not buying another iPod right 
now.  I refuse to buy something that is going to be out of date in a year or 
two.
Dolores

On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what I 
hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  Just 
saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on this list 
has concrete proof that he is.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are criticizing 
here. Good call here Chris .

On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:

Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're criticizing 
the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in the blame here.
---
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- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Chris,

Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line contained a 
question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the attention of the list is 
because I figured someone here would have better information than the guy from 
BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was allowed on this list.  So hold 
your criticism.
Donna

On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading rumours, 
on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s allright saying a 
guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody from anywhere can make 
things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone here, just offering some 
constructive criticism to the list overall.

On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  wrote:

Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the iPod 
touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 generation  on 
December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call apple itself and ask 
these question or email apple accessibility and so on.  What do you guys think? 
I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:


Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their bread and 
butter items unless they have something new coming out. In which case I will be 
very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three weeks ago.


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On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

According to the guy 

Re: Mail and things was Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[christopher hallsworth]

No offence taken at all. Just saying.
> On 2 Oct 2016, at 09:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I hope you didn't take offense to the way I asked that question.  I was a 
> little strong in how I asked, so forgive me if so.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 2:40 AM
> Subject: Mail and things was Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> 
> Yeah, I know. Until today, I just relied on the preview pain and focus 
> remained there. Now though, I’m changing tactics. I’ve removed the preview 
> pain, interact with the messages table, navigate the subject column, and if a 
> subject interests me I can just open the message with return. If not, I 
> delete the message with delete. It’s beautiful! Better than what I used to 
> do. I guess, as per say, old habits die hard, especially coming from Windows 
> and Thunderbird.
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wuh?  You don't look at subject lines?  Then... o... Kayyy? I'm confused. 
>> How do you know then if you wanna read a message, or not.  Hmm.  Enlighten 
>> us.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
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Re: correction re: google docs:

[Chris G]

Thanks,
That is what I thought but wanted to make sure.



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 Original Message 
From: Michael Babcock
Sent: Sunday, Oct 2, 2016 11:18 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: correction re: google docs:

the keystroke to bring keystrokes up is command+/
In other web based   apps, that i use daily, e.g. Facebook, Twitter, 
Trello, Slack, etc the keystroke to show keystrokes is a question mark, 
however google products is a command+/ on the mac.

That’s what i get for assuming!
sorry for the confusion all, and next time i’ll consume coffee before i 
reply to list messages :)

best.
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

wow, I used the  quick navigation, and I can find, thanks so much for that


On 10/2/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello tim:
>
> I'm using Mountain lion now, there is no progress indicator at all.
>
>
> On 10/2/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> That's good news.  I'm glad that the problem is solved.  When in the
>> AppStore, you can activate the Purchased tab, cmd-4, in the table of
>> purchased items, there is a download progress column for each item that
>> is
>> being downloaded.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 08:33, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Tim and Simon:
>>
>> I just wana tell you that I went to the technition and the SSD was not
>> fixed will. he fixes it and  I installed the Mountain lion, and am now
>> updating to EL capitan.
>>
>> Thanks so much for your help
>>
>> just 1 question.
>> am now downloading the el capitan, but I can not find the progress to
>> know the percentage, is there a way to know it when am inside the mac
>> app store?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>> On 9/30/16, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>> Yeah I wish I was in more of a situation to have a look,
>>>
>>> I do think that having the drive taken out and completely wiped is going
>>> to
>>> be the best result at this point.
>>>
>>> Ramy if your  reading,
>>>
>>> I think Tim and I are out of ideas in this situation.
>>>
>>> I would suggest getting the mac mini back to the tech and having him
>>> remove
>>> the drive and then completely wipe it clean.
>>>
>>> Even if he does nothing more then we can or should I say should be able
>>> to
>>> get it up and working the same way we did with your USB flash drive.
>>>
>>> But the tech could be a nice guy and wipe then partition the drive in to
>>> 1
>>> partition with mac osx extended journeled and GUID
>>>
>>> Then an install via USB will be or should I say should work perfectly
>>> touch
>>> wood.
>>>
>>> Please update us on what you are thinking next.
>>>
>>> Hope this Helps.
>>>
>>> Simon F
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>>> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 2:11 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Target Disk mode will only work with USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt, no
>>> ethernet, sorry.  Yes, Terminal would be another good option, although,
>>> not
>>> near as friendly to the inexperienced.  After reading your posts with
>>> respect to the USB startup stick initially seeing the drive, that makes
>>> my
>>> suggestion of the drive not being seated properly as unlikely.
>>>
>>> Wish I was closer.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 01:19, Simon Fogarty
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ramy,
>>>
>>> Ok, glad the install went ok to the USB,
>>>
>>> Yes sorry it is going to be slow but it is only a work around until we
>>> get
>>> things up and running correctly on the SSD.
>>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> Do you know if target disk mode will work via an Ethernet network cable?
>>>
>>> Ramy,
>>>
>>> Do you by anychance have a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable?
>>>
>>> Or can you get hold of one for a couple of days?
>>>
>>> Tim your  thoughts on my thinking,
>>>
>>> If Ramy starts up his mac mini using the USB flash drive which is
>>> working,
>>> But into target disk mode,
>>> Should he be able to see the SSD if the USB Flash drive is the primary
>>> os
>>> drive in the machine?
>>>
>>> Just wondering if target disk mode worked he could partition the ssd via
>>> that means?
>>>
>>> I'm starting to think that the SSD might be needing to be taken out
>>> again
>>> and wiped then put back in and setup from scratch.
>>>
>>> Ramy I'll try getting hold of one of our work mac techs and see if they
>>> can
>>> give me a command line command for partitioning the SSD
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> >> >
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 9:31 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> >> >
>>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>>>
>>> Hello Simon and TIm:
>>> after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion
>>> installed
>>> on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
>>> the Surprise  is that, the 

Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello tim:

I'm using Mountain lion now, there is no progress indicator at all.


On 10/2/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's good news.  I'm glad that the problem is solved.  When in the
> AppStore, you can activate the Purchased tab, cmd-4, in the table of
> purchased items, there is a download progress column for each item that is
> being downloaded.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 08:33, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello Tim and Simon:
>
> I just wana tell you that I went to the technition and the SSD was not
> fixed will. he fixes it and  I installed the Mountain lion, and am now
> updating to EL capitan.
>
> Thanks so much for your help
>
> just 1 question.
> am now downloading the el capitan, but I can not find the progress to
> know the percentage, is there a way to know it when am inside the mac
> app store?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> On 9/30/16, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>> Yeah I wish I was in more of a situation to have a look,
>>
>> I do think that having the drive taken out and completely wiped is going
>> to
>> be the best result at this point.
>>
>> Ramy if your  reading,
>>
>> I think Tim and I are out of ideas in this situation.
>>
>> I would suggest getting the mac mini back to the tech and having him
>> remove
>> the drive and then completely wipe it clean.
>>
>> Even if he does nothing more then we can or should I say should be able
>> to
>> get it up and working the same way we did with your USB flash drive.
>>
>> But the tech could be a nice guy and wipe then partition the drive in to
>> 1
>> partition with mac osx extended journeled and GUID
>>
>> Then an install via USB will be or should I say should work perfectly
>> touch
>> wood.
>>
>> Please update us on what you are thinking next.
>>
>> Hope this Helps.
>>
>> Simon F
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 2:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Target Disk mode will only work with USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt, no
>> ethernet, sorry.  Yes, Terminal would be another good option, although,
>> not
>> near as friendly to the inexperienced.  After reading your posts with
>> respect to the USB startup stick initially seeing the drive, that makes
>> my
>> suggestion of the drive not being seated properly as unlikely.
>>
>> Wish I was closer.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 01:19, Simon Fogarty
>> > > >> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ramy,
>>
>> Ok, glad the install went ok to the USB,
>>
>> Yes sorry it is going to be slow but it is only a work around until we
>> get
>> things up and running correctly on the SSD.
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Do you know if target disk mode will work via an Ethernet network cable?
>>
>> Ramy,
>>
>> Do you by anychance have a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable?
>>
>> Or can you get hold of one for a couple of days?
>>
>> Tim your  thoughts on my thinking,
>>
>> If Ramy starts up his mac mini using the USB flash drive which is
>> working,
>> But into target disk mode,
>> Should he be able to see the SSD if the USB Flash drive is the primary os
>> drive in the machine?
>>
>> Just wondering if target disk mode worked he could partition the ssd via
>> that means?
>>
>> I'm starting to think that the SSD might be needing to be taken out again
>> and wiped then put back in and setup from scratch.
>>
>> Ramy I'll try getting hold of one of our work mac techs and see if they
>> can
>> give me a command line command for partitioning the SSD
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> > >
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 9:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> > >
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>>
>> Hello Simon and TIm:
>> after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion
>> installed
>> on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
>> the Surprise  is that, the disk utility can not see the SSD HD at all,
>> don't
>> know why, but it can not see it at all.
>> any ideas?
>> it can  see only the Kingstone USB, any ideas?
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
>> > > 

Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That's good news.  I'm glad that the problem is solved.  When in the AppStore, 
you can activate the Purchased tab, cmd-4, in the table of purchased items, 
there is a download progress column for each item that is being downloaded.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 2, 2016, at 08:33, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello Tim and Simon:

I just wana tell you that I went to the technition and the SSD was not
fixed will. he fixes it and  I installed the Mountain lion, and am now
updating to EL capitan.

Thanks so much for your help

just 1 question.
am now downloading the el capitan, but I can not find the progress to
know the percentage, is there a way to know it when am inside the mac
app store?

Thanks in advance


On 9/30/16, Simon Fogarty > 
wrote:
> Yeah I wish I was in more of a situation to have a look,
> 
> I do think that having the drive taken out and completely wiped is going to
> be the best result at this point.
> 
> Ramy if your  reading,
> 
> I think Tim and I are out of ideas in this situation.
> 
> I would suggest getting the mac mini back to the tech and having him remove
> the drive and then completely wipe it clean.
> 
> Even if he does nothing more then we can or should I say should be able to
> get it up and working the same way we did with your USB flash drive.
> 
> But the tech could be a nice guy and wipe then partition the drive in to 1
> partition with mac osx extended journeled and GUID
> 
> Then an install via USB will be or should I say should work perfectly  touch
> wood.
> 
> Please update us on what you are thinking next.
> 
> Hope this Helps.
> 
> Simon F
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 2:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Target Disk mode will only work with USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt, no
> ethernet, sorry.  Yes, Terminal would be another good option, although, not
> near as friendly to the inexperienced.  After reading your posts with
> respect to the USB startup stick initially seeing the drive, that makes my
> suggestion of the drive not being seated properly as unlikely.
> 
> Wish I was closer.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 30, 2016, at 01:19, Simon Fogarty
>   >> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> Ok, glad the install went ok to the USB,
> 
> Yes sorry it is going to be slow but it is only a work around until we get
> things up and running correctly on the SSD.
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Do you know if target disk mode will work via an Ethernet network cable?
> 
> Ramy,
> 
> Do you by anychance have a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable?
> 
> Or can you get hold of one for a couple of days?
> 
> Tim your  thoughts on my thinking,
> 
> If Ramy starts up his mac mini using the USB flash drive which is working,
> But into target disk mode,
> Should he be able to see the SSD if the USB Flash drive is the primary os
> drive in the machine?
> 
> Just wondering if target disk mode worked he could partition the ssd via
> that means?
> 
> I'm starting to think that the SSD might be needing to be taken out again
> and wiped then put back in and setup from scratch.
> 
> Ramy I'll try getting hold of one of our work mac techs and see if they can
> give me a command line command for partitioning the SSD
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   >
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 9:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   >
> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
> 
> Hello Simon and TIm:
> after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion installed
> on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
> the Surprise  is that, the disk utility can not see the SSD HD at all, don't
> know why, but it can not see it at all.
> any ideas?
> it can  see only the Kingstone USB, any ideas?
> 
> 
> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
>   >> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much tim, and I know that you are a very great helper.
> 
> On 9/29/16, Tim Kilburn  >> 
> wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
> 
> Sorry I've been slow with 

correction re: google docs:

[Michael Babcock]

the keystroke to bring keystrokes up is command+/
In other web based   apps, that i use daily, e.g. Facebook, Twitter, Trello, 
Slack, etc the keystroke to show keystrokes is a question mark, however google 
products is a command+/ on the mac.
That’s what i get for assuming!
sorry for the confusion all, and next time i’ll consume coffee before i reply 
to list messages :)
best.
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Re: Google Docs question

[michael babcock]

and your right sorry:
To open a list of keyboard shortcuts in Google Docs, press Ctrl + / (Windows, 
Chrome OS) or ⌘ + / (Mac). 

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:11 AM, michael babcock  
> wrote:
> 
> i’m sorry, you need to move focus out of the editing of the document with 
> “VO+Left or VO+Right” then use the question mark to open the keystrokes. or, 
> reference this article for the keystrokes:
> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop=en
>  
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> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Chris G > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> So if I am editing in a doc for example, wouldn't a question mark put in a 
>> question mark?
>> On my Chrome book and Windows machines it is control-slash, but it says it 
>> is different on the mac.
>> My 2009 mac mini is too slow to do anything with.
>> Chris
>> 
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>> Subject: Google Docs question
>> 
>> type a question mark on any google product.
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a list 
>> of all hot keys.
>> The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
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Re: Google Docs question

[michael babcock]

i’m sorry, you need to move focus out of the editing of the document with 
“VO+Left or VO+Right” then use the question mark to open the keystrokes. or, 
reference this article for the keystrokes:
https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop=en 


> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> So if I am editing in a doc for example, wouldn't a question mark put in a 
> question mark?
> On my Chrome book and Windows machines it is control-slash, but it says it is 
> different on the mac.
> My 2009 mac mini is too slow to do anything with.
> Chris
> 
> 
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> 
>  Original Message 
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> Sent: Sunday, Oct 2, 2016 10:53 AM EST
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Google Docs question
> 
> type a question mark on any google product.
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a list 
> of all hot keys.
> The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
> Chris
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Re: Google Docs question

[Chris G]

Hi,
So if I am editing in a doc for example, wouldn't a question mark put in 
a question mark?
On my Chrome book and Windows machines it is control-slash, but it says 
it is different on the mac.

My 2009 mac mini is too slow to do anything with.
Chris



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type a question mark on any google product.
On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:

Hi all,
Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a 
list of all hot keys.

The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
Chris

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Re: Google Docs question

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type a question mark on any google product.
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a list 
> of all hot keys.
> The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
> Chris
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Hi all,
Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a 
list of all hot keys.

The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello Tim and Simon:

I just wana tell you that I went to the technition and the SSD was not
fixed will. he fixes it and  I installed the Mountain lion, and am now
updating to EL capitan.

Thanks so much for your help

just 1 question.
am now downloading the el capitan, but I can not find the progress to
know the percentage, is there a way to know it when am inside the mac
app store?

Thanks in advance


On 9/30/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Yeah I wish I was in more of a situation to have a look,
>
> I do think that having the drive taken out and completely wiped is going to
> be the best result at this point.
>
> Ramy if your  reading,
>
> I think Tim and I are out of ideas in this situation.
>
> I would suggest getting the mac mini back to the tech and having him remove
> the drive and then completely wipe it clean.
>
> Even if he does nothing more then we can or should I say should be able to
> get it up and working the same way we did with your USB flash drive.
>
> But the tech could be a nice guy and wipe then partition the drive in to 1
> partition with mac osx extended journeled and GUID
>
> Then an install via USB will be or should I say should work perfectly  touch
> wood.
>
> Please update us on what you are thinking next.
>
> Hope this Helps.
>
> Simon F
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 2:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>
> Hi,
>
> Target Disk mode will only work with USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt, no
> ethernet, sorry.  Yes, Terminal would be another good option, although, not
> near as friendly to the inexperienced.  After reading your posts with
> respect to the USB startup stick initially seeing the drive, that makes my
> suggestion of the drive not being seated properly as unlikely.
>
> Wish I was closer.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 30, 2016, at 01:19, Simon Fogarty
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Ramy,
>
> Ok, glad the install went ok to the USB,
>
> Yes sorry it is going to be slow but it is only a work around until we get
> things up and running correctly on the SSD.
>
> Tim,
>
> Do you know if target disk mode will work via an Ethernet network cable?
>
> Ramy,
>
> Do you by anychance have a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable?
>
> Or can you get hold of one for a couple of days?
>
> Tim your  thoughts on my thinking,
>
> If Ramy starts up his mac mini using the USB flash drive which is working,
> But into target disk mode,
> Should he be able to see the SSD if the USB Flash drive is the primary os
> drive in the machine?
>
> Just wondering if target disk mode worked he could partition the ssd via
> that means?
>
> I'm starting to think that the SSD might be needing to be taken out again
> and wiped then put back in and setup from scratch.
>
> Ramy I'll try getting hold of one of our work mac techs and see if they can
> give me a command line command for partitioning the SSD
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 9:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>
> Hello Simon and TIm:
> after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion installed
> on my 16 GB, it's so slow but I can get the disk utility.
> the Surprise  is that, the disk utility can not see the SSD HD at all, don't
> know why, but it can not see it at all.
> any ideas?
> it can  see only the Kingstone USB, any ideas?
>
>
> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
> > wrote:
>
> Thanks so much tim, and I know that you are a very great helper.
>
> On 9/29/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>
> Ramy,
>
> Sorry I've been slow with responses.  Very busy at work and doing
> renovations at home so I'm not able to check eMails as often as I'd like.
> Yes, please keep me in the loop and I'll help as much as possible.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 03:40, Ramy Moustafa
> >
> wrote:
>
> What can I say?
> really, don't know,
> I called SImon On Facetime, and he tried to do as much as he can do,
> I think we found the solution, but let's see.
> BUt thanks so much my friend.
> and
> I'm waiting the result.
>
>
> On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Simon:
> Thanks so much for your reply,
> inside the internet recovery, the disk utility, I can see only the
> apple disk image, 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Blee Blat]

I did a search and found that the only discontinued ipods so far seem to be the 
iPod Classic and Mini ones. All the newer ones should still be supported.

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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, that certainly suggests that BestBuy isn't the only one getting rid of 
their iPod stock.  And I agree about buying an out-dated device, I bought my 
5th gen the summer before the 6th Gen came out.  Not making that mistake again. 
:)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Dolores Myers  wrote:
> 
> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading this 
> thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from marketplace 
> orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell directly like they 
> did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but I’m not buying 
> another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is going to be out of 
> date in a year or two.
> Dolores 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
>> certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what I 
>> hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  
>> Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on 
>> this list has concrete proof that he is.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
>>> criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
 On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
 wrote:
 
 Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
 criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in 
 the blame here.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
 
 
 Chris,
 
 Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
 contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
 attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have better 
 information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was 
 allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
 Donna
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. 
> It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but 
> anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming 
> anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to the list 
> overall.
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
>> iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
>> generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to 
>> call apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility 
>> and so on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you 
>> soon. Thanks and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> Group Moderator
>> 
>> for the IPad help for the blind
>> 
>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
>> Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
>> 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
>>> bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In 
>>> which case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three 
>>> weeks ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Dolores Myers]

I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had been 
looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading this thread, 
I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from marketplace orders.  
They did not seem to have any in stock to sell directly like they did a few 
weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but I’m not buying another iPod right 
now.  I refuse to buy something that is going to be out of date in a year or 
two.
Dolores 
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
> certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what I 
> hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  Just 
> saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on this list 
> has concrete proof that he is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
>> criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
>>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in 
>>> the blame here.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the attention 
>>> of the list is because I figured someone here would have better information 
>>> than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was allowed on 
>>> this list.  So hold your criticism.
>>> Donna
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
 suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading 
 rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s 
 allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody 
 from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone 
 here, just offering some constructive criticism to the list overall.
> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
> iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
> generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call 
> apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility and so 
> on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
> Thanks and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> Group Moderator
> 
> for the IPad help for the blind
> 
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
> Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
> 
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>> Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
>> bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In 
>> which case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three 
>> weeks ago.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what I 
hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  Just 
saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on this list 
has concrete proof that he is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
> criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in 
>> the blame here.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>> 
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the attention 
>> of the list is because I figured someone here would have better information 
>> than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was allowed on 
>> this list.  So hold your criticism.
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
>>> suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading 
>>> rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s 
>>> allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody 
>>> from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone here, 
>>> just offering some constructive criticism to the list overall.
 On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
 iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call 
 apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility and so 
 on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
 Thanks and God bless!
 
 Helga Schreiber
 Group Moderator
 
 for the IPad help for the blind
 
 ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
 
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
 Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/
 
 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
 whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
 
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
> Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
> bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In 
> which case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three 
> weeks ago.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just left Best Buy, and the sales person there told me that Apple has 
>>> completely discontinued the iPod and that Best Buy is shipping all of 
>>> its iPod stock back to Apple. I have no idea if this is true, but if 
>>> you're in the market, prices on the latest Jen iPod are great right now!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

But remember, that doesn't mean it's not being discontinued.  I'm sure, even if 
it is discontinued, that Apple will sell whatever stock they have left.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> www.apple.co.nz
> 
> website shows the touch nano and shuffle models all still on sale.
> 
> Could it just be that they are about to release a newer up to date hardware 
> model of the iPods
> 
> When were they last updated?
> 
> The touch 6Gen has the A8 chip in it, and nano hasn't been updated in a while.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
> Sent: Sunday, 2 October 2016 8:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> I would like to know this myself according to the apple web site they are 
> still selling the Ipod Touch.
> 
> 
> On 10/1/2016 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
>> suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading 
>> rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s allright 
>> saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody from anywhere 
>> can make things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone here, just offering 
>> some constructive criticism to the list overall.
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
>>> iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
>>> generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call  
>>> apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility and so on. 
>>>  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks 
>>> and God bless!
>>> 
>>>   Helga Schreiber
>>> Group Moderator
>>> 
>>>   for the IPad help for the blind
>>> 
>>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
   Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
 bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In which 
 case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three weeks ago.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just left Best Buy, and the sales person there told me that Apple has 
>> completely discontinued the iPod and that Best Buy is shipping all of 
>> its iPod stock back to Apple. I have no idea if this is true, but if 
>> you're in the market, prices on the latest Jen iPod are great right now!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Helga,

Actually, I don't think it really matters where you buy it from.  I could also 
order it from BestBuy.com, that is an option as long as they still have them in 
stock, anyway.

However, as Simon pointed out, the iPod hasn't been updated since the iPhone 6 
came out, which is two years ago now.  My plan is to upgrade to the iPhone 
7+--or whatever they end up calling it--and then keep my current phone as my 
iPod.  I'll get a much better device that way.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> hi Donna. How are you? if you do want to still buy an iPod touch, I recommend 
> you  to go to the  Apple Store to buy one instead of going to Best Buy store 
> LOL!! I bought my iPod touch from the Apple Store!! However,  if you want you 
> can go to the Best Buy Taurus Best Buy store and tell them that you  find out 
> that they still sell it from the Apple Store website!! hope this suggestion 
> helps!! thanks and God bless!!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the blind 
>  
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>   
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com  
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as 
> px 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/  
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
> 
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>> www.apple.co.nz 
>> 
>> website shows the touch nano and shuffle models all still on sale.
>> 
>> Could it just be that they are about to release a newer up to date hardware 
>> model of the iPods
>> 
>> When were they last updated?
>> 
>> The touch 6Gen has the A8 chip in it, and nano hasn't been updated in a 
>> while.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
>> Sent: Sunday, 2 October 2016 8:20 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>> 
>> I would like to know this myself according to the apple web site they are 
>> still selling the Ipod Touch.
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/1/2016 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
>>> suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading 
>>> rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s 
>>> allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody 
>>> from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone here, 
>>> just offering some constructive criticism to the list overall.
 On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber > wrote:
 
 Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
 iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call  
 apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility and so 
 on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
 Thanks and God bless!
 
   Helga Schreiber
 Group Moderator
 
   for the IPad help for the blind
 
 ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
 
 
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
 Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
 
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
 
 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
 whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
 
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Mark, no worries.  I know the possibility of this comes as a shock to 
everyone - it certainly did to me. I was talking with my brother-in-law later 
yesterday, and he said he had also heard that the iPod was being discontinued.  
Again, I'm not taking his comment as definitive information, just asking the 
question.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 3:59 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't actually believe I said that!  Who am I to judge?  I'm no more 
> perfect  than that Best Buy guy, in many ways.  Forgive me again.  Jerk may a 
> been a little strong of a word.  Still though, aside from retracting that one 
> thing, I maintain what I said.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 2:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> 
> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
> criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in 
>> the blame here.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>> 
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the attention 
>> of the list is because I figured someone here would have better information 
>> than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was allowed on 
>> this list.  So hold your criticism.
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
>>> suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading 
>>> rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s 
>>> allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody 
>>> from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone here, 
>>> just offering some constructive criticism to the list overall.
 On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
 iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call 
 apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility and so 
 on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
 Thanks and God bless!
 
 Helga Schreiber
 Group Moderator
 
 for the IPad help for the blind
 
 ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
 
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
 Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/
 
 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
 whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
 
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
> Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
> bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In 
> which case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three 
> weeks ago.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

I thought the same thing, Simon.  those are completely different devices that 
sell at a much lower price point.  It would seem like Apple would keep them 
around just so people have a lower entry point into the market.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Really?
> 
> The shuffle nano and touch?
> 
> I could understand if they drop the older generations but completely I find 
> very difficult to believe.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 2 October 2016 6:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just left Best Buy, and the sales person there told me that Apple has 
>> completely discontinued the iPod and that Best Buy is shipping all of its 
>> iPod stock back to Apple. I have no idea if this is true, but if you're in 
>> the market, prices on the latest Jen iPod are great right now!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I can't actually believe I said that!  Who am I to judge?  I'm no more 
perfect  than that Best Buy guy, in many ways.  Forgive me again.  Jerk may 
a been a little strong of a word.  Still though, aside from retracting that 
one thing, I maintain what I said.

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- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in 
the blame here.

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
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i...@gillandmarketing.com
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- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Chris,

Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have better 
information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was 
allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.

Donna
On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. 
It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but 
anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming 
anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to the list 
overall.
On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
wrote:


Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to 
call apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility 
and so on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you 
soon. Thanks and God bless!


Helga Schreiber
Group Moderator

for the IPad help for the blind

ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
Blind Students.

Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
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whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
3:16

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On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In 
which case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three 
weeks ago.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I just left Best Buy, and the sales person there told me that Apple 
has completely discontinued the iPod and that Best Buy is shipping 
all of its iPod stock back to Apple. I have no idea if this is true, 
but if you're in the market, prices on the latest Jen iPod are great 
right now!

Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail and things was Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I hope you didn't take offense to the way I asked that question.  I was a 
little strong in how I asked, so forgive me if so.

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- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 2:40 AM
Subject: Mail and things was Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Yeah, I know. Until today, I just relied on the preview pain and focus 
remained there. Now though, I’m changing tactics. I’ve removed the preview 
pain, interact with the messages table, navigate the subject column, and if 
a subject interests me I can just open the message with return. If not, I 
delete the message with delete. It’s beautiful! Better than what I used to 
do. I guess, as per say, old habits die hard, especially coming from Windows 
and Thunderbird.
On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Wuh?  You don't look at subject lines?  Then... o... Kayyy? I'm confused. 
How do you know then if you wanna read a message, or not.  Hmm.  Enlighten 
us.

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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh yes, maybe the mini has been quietly discontinued as well the same time as 
the classic, I don’t know.
> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:14, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> All but?
> 
> Are they still stocking the iPod Mini's?  I've not seen those since like, 
> 2004 or 2005.
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> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> 
> I shall add, that Apple “did” quietly discontinue the iPod Classic, so it is 
> certainly possible that future iPods will be discontinued. But as of today, 
> Apple are still stocking all but the original iPod Classic.
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 20:24, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, not necessarily.  All that means is that they still have them in 
>> stock.  I'm not saying they are stopping selling them, I'm just saying that 
>> the fact that Apple still has them in stock isn't proof of anything.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:20 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s false rumours then. Like someone posted, if you can get to the process 
>>> of attempting to buy an iPod, or any Apple product for that matter, chances 
>>> are they are still offering it for sale.
 On 1 Oct 2016, at 20:19, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
 
 I would like to know this myself according to the apple web site they are 
 still selling the Ipod Touch.
 
 
 On 10/1/2016 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. 
> It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but 
> anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming 
> anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to the list 
> overall.
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
>> iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
>> generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to 
>> call  apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility 
>> and so on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you 
>> soon. Thanks and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> Group Moderator
>>  for the IPad help for the blind
>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
>> Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
>> 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
>>> bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In 
>>> which case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three 
>>> weeks ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just left Best Buy, and the sales person there told me that Apple 
> has completely discontinued the iPod and that Best Buy is shipping 
> all of its iPod stock back to Apple. I have no idea if this is true, 
> but if you're in the 

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are criticizing 
here. Good call here Chris .
> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in 
> the blame here.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line contained 
> a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the attention of the list 
> is because I figured someone here would have better information than the guy 
> from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was allowed on this list.  So 
> hold your criticism.
> Donna
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no articles 
>> suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is spreading 
>> rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. It’s allright 
>> saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but anybody from anywhere 
>> can make things up like that. Again, not blaming anyone here, just offering 
>> some constructive criticism to the list overall.
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
>>> iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
>>> generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to call 
>>> apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility and so on. 
>>>  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks 
>>> and God bless!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> Group Moderator
>>> 
>>> for the IPad help for the blind
>>> 
>>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
 Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
 bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In which 
 case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three weeks ago.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just left Best Buy, and the sales person there told me that Apple has 
>> completely discontinued the iPod and that Best Buy is shipping all of 
>> its iPod stock back to Apple. I have no idea if this is true, but if 
>> you're in the market, prices on the latest Jen iPod are great right now!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Mail and things was Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah, I know. Until today, I just relied on the preview pain and focus remained 
there. Now though, I’m changing tactics. I’ve removed the preview pain, 
interact with the messages table, navigate the subject column, and if a subject 
interests me I can just open the message with return. If not, I delete the 
message with delete. It’s beautiful! Better than what I used to do. I guess, as 
per say, old habits die hard, especially coming from Windows and Thunderbird.
> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Wuh?  You don't look at subject lines?  Then... o... Kayyy? I'm confused. How 
> do you know then if you wanna read a message, or not.  Hmm.  Enlighten us.
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RE: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Simon Fogarty]

Nano,
The shuffle is the small 4 gig or similar sized devices and they still sem to 
be on the web site for sale.

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, 2 October 2016 4:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

All but?

Are they still stocking the iPod Mini's?  I've not seen those since like, 
2004 or 2005.
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- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 
To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


I shall add, that Apple “did” quietly discontinue the iPod Classic, so it is 
certainly possible that future iPods will be discontinued. But as of today, 
Apple are still stocking all but the original iPod Classic.
> On 1 Oct 2016, at 20:24, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> Actually, not necessarily.  All that means is that they still have them in 
> stock.  I'm not saying they are stopping selling them, I'm just saying 
> that the fact that Apple still has them in stock isn't proof of anything.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:20 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> It’s false rumours then. Like someone posted, if you can get to the 
>> process of attempting to buy an iPod, or any Apple product for that 
>> matter, chances are they are still offering it for sale.
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 20:19, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to know this myself according to the apple web site they 
>>> are still selling the Ipod Touch.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/1/2016 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
 articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
 spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
 sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
 that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, 
 not blaming anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to 
 the list overall.
> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
>
> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued 
> the iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod 
> touch 6 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing 
> is to call  apple itself and ask these question or email apple 
> accessibility and so on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in 
> hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>
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> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
>
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I don’t see why they would. That was really one of their 
>> bread and butter items unless they have something new coming out. In 
>> which case I will be very unhappy because I just bought a Touch three 
>> weeks ago.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
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>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> According to the guy at Best Buy, all models.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Donna Goodin  
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just left Best Buy, and the sales person there told me that Apple 
 has completely discontinued the iPod and that Best Buy is shipping 
 all of its iPod stock back to Apple. I have no idea if this is