Re: my impressions with sierra so far

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Mike. It sounds like all Apple voices have this issue. The funny thing is 
when I'm using either the Nuance or Acapela voices, this issue doesn't happen. 
As for people saying that Apple is lacking in quality, everybody has their own 
opinions and I don't agree with everything people say about the subject. But 
keep in mind that you are using Sierra on a 2010 model. Not everything will 
work as flawlessly as we want them to. I think Sierra will probably be the last 
OS that 2010 models will be supported as the demand for processor power is 
getting higher and higher every year. And now that the new Macs are out, a lot 
of features in 10.13 will probably cator to those models.

Shawn
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> On Dec 23, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, so, I decided to upgrade to sierra starting with my 2010 mac 
> mini, also just upgraded the memory to 4 GB. I must say, so far I have had a 
> few major problems. First, the recovery disk assistant does not seem to work 
> with sierra to allow you to clone the recovery partition to an external USB 
> drive. I was able to do this manually using terminal, but the task is now 
> definitely more time consuming. I did get this done and my recovery usb drive 
> now works. A more serious issue relates to voiceover, I'm wondering if anyone 
> else has experienced this. Several times, for no apparent reason, voiceover 
> just quits speaking. It's hard to tell when it will happen, I have not found 
> any pattern to consistently reproduce it, but when it happens, I have to 
> completely reboot to get speech back. The audio itself is not muting, error 
> sounds still play, and pressing command+F5 to reenable it does not work 
> either. I've actually tried unplugging my speakers from the mac mini, and am 
> using the internal speaker, and so far it is working, though I would rather 
> not use this as my solution, just trying to do some process of elimination. 
> Has anyone else experienced this with sierra, and if so, have you found any 
> way around it. This was never an issue with previous operating systems.
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External drives and Time Machine

[Traci Duncan]

I have a few more questions on Time Machine back ups and external hard drives.  
In researching for a new external drive, I’m learning that I’ve been rather 
lucky that my Seagate has not failed on me.  Apparently, Seagate and WD drives 
failures are pretty common.  Any recommendations?

Onto Time Machine…

Is there a way to copy individual TM back ups?  Say I chose a few from each 
year, could I copy and paste those onto a USB stick?  For separate safe keeping?

How about deleting older back ups to make space?  I’ve entered Time Machine, 
but cannot figure out how to select then delete old backups.

Thanks,
Traci

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MacBook Pro buyers freaking out about battery life may want to try this tip

[Dan D.]

In short, dump safari for chrome.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/12/23/macbook-pro-buyers-freaking-out-about-battery-life-may-want-to-try-this-tip/
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MacBook Pro is the first Apple laptop to lack a recommendation from Consumer Reports

[Dan D.]

http://www.macworld.com/article/3153407/macs/macbook-pro-is-the-first-apple-laptop-to-lack-a-recommendation-from-consumer-reports.html#tk.rss_all

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Re: Object Recognition in Photos App

[Jenine Stanley]

I think it would be much harder with objects as we often want a face to be 
centered but there could be more than 1 object to recognize in a photo. 
Jenine Stanley
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> On Dec 23, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> Hi, i tried something funny today, take a picture of our xmas tree, it
> works, but now to the next thing, did we not once have a application
> that could guide, us in point the cam or some such?
> Now if it could say the object before we took the picture, now that
> would be cool, i know it can do it with , faces.
> 
> On 12/23/16, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>> Thank you Sandy and Tim.
>> Happy Hilidays!
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 12/21/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Live photos are only 1 to 2 seconds of video  the sound is there but very
>>> quick and in some situaitons very difficult to hear.
>>> 
>>> Try listening with headphones on and turn the vol up
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 1:00 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Object Recognition in Photos App
>>> 
>>> Hi. I was told that you get a bit of audio with live photos! I’m not
>>> hearing
>>> any audio when I open a live photo?
 On 21 Dec 2016, at 03:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Sandi mentioned this in another thread that many may not be paying
 attention to, so I thought I would bring it up in a new thread as I
 believe that this is a cool feature.  In the Photos app in both iOS 10
 and
 Sierra, over 4000 objects can be recognized.  For example, you could
 enter
 snow in the search field, and Photos will try to find all the pics in
 your
 Photos Library with snow in the picture.  You can even use Siri to find
 things by asking her things like, "Could you find all my photos with a
 dog
 in the picture?"  It will then put the results into a collection for you
 so you can check them out.  This moves beyond just the people and places
 search ability, so is becoming very interesting from a VO user's
 prospective.
 
 I've only played with it a little, and only on my Mac, since my iPhone
 is
 half-way across the country being repaired.  It found the pictures quite
 well, but I couldn't really confirm what was in the actual picture
 results
 since I couldn't figure out if there was a way to get descriptions and
 such.
 
 Very interesting indeed.  Thanks for bringing this up Sandi.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
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Announcing Caps

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
can I have VO announce caps only when reading by character? I don’t wish to 
hear capitals when reading a document. 
Thanks as always for any help.
Max.

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Re: my impressions with sierra so far

[Mike Arrigo]

Ok, tried switching to Fred, issue still happens, regardless of whether 
speakers are connected or whether the voice over utility is set to the default 
sound device or set to the built in output. Looks like I may be restoring my el 
capitan backup. was going to upgrade my macbook but maybe I will skip that for 
now, I would consider that a major bug, and I'm surprised it's still in 
10.12.2, I'm starting to understand why people are saying Apple's software 
quality is not what it used to be, I would have to agree.
> On Dec 23, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is the voice I'm using. Interestingly, it does not seem to happen 
> when I use the internal speaker instead of external speakers. I tried 
> specifying the output device in the voiceover utility rather than using the 
> system default, will see if that makes a difference, otherwise I will switch 
> voices, a very strange bug indeed.
>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 1:27 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi are you using Alex? If so, there's your answer. Only macs produced in 
>> 2010 are affected though.
>>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey everyone, so, I decided to upgrade to sierra starting with my 2010 mac 
>>> mini, also just upgraded the memory to 4 GB. I must say, so far I have had 
>>> a few major problems. First, the recovery disk assistant does not seem to 
>>> work with sierra to allow you to clone the recovery partition to an 
>>> external USB drive. I was able to do this manually using terminal, but the 
>>> task is now definitely more time consuming. I did get this done and my 
>>> recovery usb drive now works. A more serious issue relates to voiceover, 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this. Several times, for no 
>>> apparent reason, voiceover just quits speaking. It's hard to tell when it 
>>> will happen, I have not found any pattern to consistently reproduce it, but 
>>> when it happens, I have to completely reboot to get speech back. The audio 
>>> itself is not muting, error sounds still play, and pressing command+F5 to 
>>> reenable it does not work either. I've actually tried unplugging my 
>>> speakers from the mac mini, and am using the internal speaker, and so far 
>>> it is working, though I would rather not use this as my solution, just 
>>> trying to do some process of elimination. Has anyone else experienced this 
>>> with sierra, and if so, have you found any way around it. This was never an 
>>> issue with previous operating systems.
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Re: Whatsapp question

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Jean,

You have to press and hold the record button. If memory serves, when you 
release the record button the message will send automatically.
Best,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2016, at 2:22 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I am trying to send a voice message using whatsapp. I get into the interface 
> ok but then the message doesn’t get recorded and sent properly. I have also 
> tried to do it with voiceover turned off and still no good results.
> 
> If someone knows how to do this using voiceover I would appreciate any advice 
> about how to get it to work properly.
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
> Senior Research Fellow
> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
> Geneva, Switzerland
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Re: Object Recognition in Photos App

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, i tried something funny today, take a picture of our xmas tree, it
works, but now to the next thing, did we not once have a application
that could guide, us in point the cam or some such?
Now if it could say the object before we took the picture, now that
would be cool, i know it can do it with , faces.

On 12/23/16, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> Thank you Sandy and Tim.
> Happy Hilidays!
> Vaughn
>
> On 12/21/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Live photos are only 1 to 2 seconds of video  the sound is there but very
>> quick and in some situaitons very difficult to hear.
>>
>>  Try listening with headphones on and turn the vol up
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 1:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Object Recognition in Photos App
>>
>> Hi. I was told that you get a bit of audio with live photos! I’m not
>> hearing
>> any audio when I open a live photo?
>>> On 21 Dec 2016, at 03:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sandi mentioned this in another thread that many may not be paying
>>> attention to, so I thought I would bring it up in a new thread as I
>>> believe that this is a cool feature.  In the Photos app in both iOS 10
>>> and
>>> Sierra, over 4000 objects can be recognized.  For example, you could
>>> enter
>>> snow in the search field, and Photos will try to find all the pics in
>>> your
>>> Photos Library with snow in the picture.  You can even use Siri to find
>>> things by asking her things like, "Could you find all my photos with a
>>> dog
>>> in the picture?"  It will then put the results into a collection for you
>>> so you can check them out.  This moves beyond just the people and places
>>> search ability, so is becoming very interesting from a VO user's
>>> prospective.
>>>
>>> I've only played with it a little, and only on my Mac, since my iPhone
>>> is
>>> half-way across the country being repaired.  It found the pictures quite
>>> well, but I couldn't really confirm what was in the actual picture
>>> results
>>> since I couldn't figure out if there was a way to get descriptions and
>>> such.
>>>
>>> Very interesting indeed.  Thanks for bringing this up Sandi.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
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Re: my impressions with sierra so far

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, that is the voice I'm using. Interestingly, it does not seem to happen 
when I use the internal speaker instead of external speakers. I tried 
specifying the output device in the voiceover utility rather than using the 
system default, will see if that makes a difference, otherwise I will switch 
voices, a very strange bug indeed.
> On Dec 23, 2016, at 1:27 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi are you using Alex? If so, there's your answer. Only macs produced in 2010 
> are affected though.
>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone, so, I decided to upgrade to sierra starting with my 2010 mac 
>> mini, also just upgraded the memory to 4 GB. I must say, so far I have had a 
>> few major problems. First, the recovery disk assistant does not seem to work 
>> with sierra to allow you to clone the recovery partition to an external USB 
>> drive. I was able to do this manually using terminal, but the task is now 
>> definitely more time consuming. I did get this done and my recovery usb 
>> drive now works. A more serious issue relates to voiceover, I'm wondering if 
>> anyone else has experienced this. Several times, for no apparent reason, 
>> voiceover just quits speaking. It's hard to tell when it will happen, I have 
>> not found any pattern to consistently reproduce it, but when it happens, I 
>> have to completely reboot to get speech back. The audio itself is not 
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>> mini, and am using the internal speaker, and so far it is working, though I 
>> would rather not use this as my solution, just trying to do some process of 
>> elimination. Has anyone else experienced this with sierra, and if so, have 
>> you found any way around it. This was never an issue with previous operating 
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Whatsapp question

[jean parker]

Hello All:

I am trying to send a voice message using whatsapp. I get into the interface ok 
but then the message doesn’t get recorded and sent properly. I have also tried 
to do it with voiceover turned off and still no good results.

If someone knows how to do this using voiceover I would appreciate any advice 
about how to get it to work properly.

Many thanks in advance,

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: my impressions with sierra so far

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi are you using Alex? If so, there's your answer. Only macs produced in 2010 
are affected though.
> On 23 Dec 2016, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, so, I decided to upgrade to sierra starting with my 2010 mac 
> mini, also just upgraded the memory to 4 GB. I must say, so far I have had a 
> few major problems. First, the recovery disk assistant does not seem to work 
> with sierra to allow you to clone the recovery partition to an external USB 
> drive. I was able to do this manually using terminal, but the task is now 
> definitely more time consuming. I did get this done and my recovery usb drive 
> now works. A more serious issue relates to voiceover, I'm wondering if anyone 
> else has experienced this. Several times, for no apparent reason, voiceover 
> just quits speaking. It's hard to tell when it will happen, I have not found 
> any pattern to consistently reproduce it, but when it happens, I have to 
> completely reboot to get speech back. The audio itself is not muting, error 
> sounds still play, and pressing command+F5 to reenable it does not work 
> either. I've actually tried unplugging my speakers from the mac mini, and am 
> using the internal speaker, and so far it is working, though I would rather 
> not use this as my solution, just trying to do some process of elimination. 
> Has anyone else experienced this with sierra, and if so, have you found any 
> way around it. This was never an issue with previous operating systems.
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my impressions with sierra so far

[Mike Arrigo]

Hey everyone, so, I decided to upgrade to sierra starting with my 2010 mac 
mini, also just upgraded the memory to 4 GB. I must say, so far I have had a 
few major problems. First, the recovery disk assistant does not seem to work 
with sierra to allow you to clone the recovery partition to an external USB 
drive. I was able to do this manually using terminal, but the task is now 
definitely more time consuming. I did get this done and my recovery usb drive 
now works. A more serious issue relates to voiceover, I'm wondering if anyone 
else has experienced this. Several times, for no apparent reason, voiceover 
just quits speaking. It's hard to tell when it will happen, I have not found 
any pattern to consistently reproduce it, but when it happens, I have to 
completely reboot to get speech back. The audio itself is not muting, error 
sounds still play, and pressing command+F5 to reenable it does not work either. 
I've actually tried unplugging my speakers from the mac mini, and am using the 
internal speaker, and so far it is working, though I would rather not use this 
as my solution, just trying to do some process of elimination. Has anyone else 
experienced this with sierra, and if so, have you found any way around it. This 
was never an issue with previous operating systems.

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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Scott Granados]

Why didn’t he have a reserve?

You have to have a reserve in case that happens.  

I know jumping in the 70S and earlier wasn’t as easy as it is now.  The chutes 
were round then and you couldn’t steer them very easily.  I have a friend who 
jumped with a round chute up in Massachusetts and ended up in Connecticut over 
30 miles away because of the wind currents and inability to steer.  The jump 
instructor made sure every one had enough change for the pay phone before they 
jumped for this very reason.  I think they still had reserves though back then. 
 Even today you have a device that’s set with barometric pressure that will 
deploy your chute if you black out or don’t pull automatically.

As in all things though, there is risk.  I definitely tend towards the risky.
  
> On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:36 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know many many have done this successfully. However, I'm always
> saddened when the topic comes up.
> 
> Back in the early 1970's I had a friend whose chute didn't open on his
> very first jump. His girlfriend was on the ground filming. He did his
> best and managed to end up in a tree, but it wasn't enough.
> 
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Actually, Kawal, you’l get a fair bit of training.  The idea is not to go 
>> upside down.:).  You’ll sort of roll out of the plain feet first.  YOu’re 
>> going to put your feet together and sort of curve them a little at the knees 
>> so your legs and feet make a slant which is more aerodynamic.  You’ll then 
>> put your hands up with your upper arms out 90 degrees each like a wing and 
>> then you’ll bend at the elbows 90 degrees again  so your hands are flat and 
>> on either side of the top of your head. Think of your hands being the fins 
>> on a rocket in other words the means of steering.  You’ll twist your upper 
>> body and hands / shoulders to turn right and left.  The ride is very smooth 
>> if you hold your form correctly.  They will take you through this but this 
>> is something to expect.
>>  Next thing to expect is when the chute opens it’s very sudden.  For we 
>> males it’s important to insure that your gentlemen’s sausage and family 
>> jewels are properly oriented so they don’t get pushed back in to your chest 
>> from the harness when it opens.  I will say I learned this the um hard way.  
>> For women well I’m assuming this will be a simpler process just make sure 
>> the harness is comfortable and we’ll leave it there.  When things open up 
>> you’re going to go from 120 MPH down to a nice rental float in a matter of a 
>> few feet so it’s a bit like hitting a wall.
>>  Once you’re open you’ll have ropes above you that you’ll hold on to.  
>> Pulling these opens the chute and lets out air so you’re able to steer.  The 
>> new square parachutes are very very maneuverable.
>>  Landing is gentle for the most part assuming it’s a nice calm day.  
>> You’ll sort of step out of it and come to a stop.
>> 
>> Go for it, it’s an amazing experience.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for letting me know Simon.
>>> 
>>> I will certainly let you all know.  Perhaps I'll treat it as a roller 
>>> Coaster ride as you go upside down in those.  If the parachute doesn't open 
>>> then I'll be dead as simple as that and the other person with it!
 On 22 Dec 2016, at 05:02, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Kawal,
 
 I've not sky dived myself but I hear it's amazing,
 
 And besides it's pretty safe when you jump from the plane,
 
 However that sudden stop at the bottom if the shoot doesn't open might be 
 a heart stopper.
 
 Good luck can't wait to hear how it goes for you.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2016 11:56 AM
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Subject: Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?
 
 Talking about flying, I'm doing a sky dive next year to raise money for 
 charity.  I am very determined to do it even though I've not been goods 
 with heights, but this year I went to Iceland to trek and went up 
 mountains so I'm sure now I will have no problems sky diving.
> On 20 Dec 2016, at 15:27, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Sandi:
> 
> Yes, that was me in Copenhagen. That was many years ago, I think 
> perhaps
> 2003 or 2004? Your memory is impressive! 
> 
> I was Hans Rasmussen's guest at the Danish Institute. He arranged a 
> session on Linux for interested folks on more than one occasion, as I 
> recall. iI know I was in Copenhagen, staying at the Institute, at 
> least
> 3 or 4 times. I guess you were there 

Re: Object Recognition in Photos App

[Vaughn Brown]

Thank you Sandy and Tim.
Happy Hilidays!
Vaughn

On 12/21/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Live photos are only 1 to 2 seconds of video  the sound is there but very
> quick and in some situaitons very difficult to hear.
>
>  Try listening with headphones on and turn the vol up
>
> Good luck.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 1:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Object Recognition in Photos App
>
> Hi. I was told that you get a bit of audio with live photos! I’m not hearing
> any audio when I open a live photo?
>> On 21 Dec 2016, at 03:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sandi mentioned this in another thread that many may not be paying
>> attention to, so I thought I would bring it up in a new thread as I
>> believe that this is a cool feature.  In the Photos app in both iOS 10 and
>> Sierra, over 4000 objects can be recognized.  For example, you could enter
>> snow in the search field, and Photos will try to find all the pics in your
>> Photos Library with snow in the picture.  You can even use Siri to find
>> things by asking her things like, "Could you find all my photos with a dog
>> in the picture?"  It will then put the results into a collection for you
>> so you can check them out.  This moves beyond just the people and places
>> search ability, so is becoming very interesting from a VO user's
>> prospective.
>>
>> I've only played with it a little, and only on my Mac, since my iPhone is
>> half-way across the country being repaired.  It found the pictures quite
>> well, but I couldn't really confirm what was in the actual picture results
>> since I couldn't figure out if there was a way to get descriptions and
>> such.
>>
>> Very interesting indeed.  Thanks for bringing this up Sandi.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I know many many have done this successfully. However, I'm always
saddened when the topic comes up.

Back in the early 1970's I had a friend whose chute didn't open on his
very first jump. His girlfriend was on the ground filming. He did his
best and managed to end up in a tree, but it wasn't enough.


Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Actually, Kawal, you’l get a fair bit of training.  The idea is not to go 
> upside down.:).  You’ll sort of roll out of the plain feet first.  YOu’re 
> going to put your feet together and sort of curve them a little at the knees 
> so your legs and feet make a slant which is more aerodynamic.  You’ll then 
> put your hands up with your upper arms out 90 degrees each like a wing and 
> then you’ll bend at the elbows 90 degrees again  so your hands are flat and 
> on either side of the top of your head. Think of your hands being the fins on 
> a rocket in other words the means of steering.  You’ll twist your upper body 
> and hands / shoulders to turn right and left.  The ride is very smooth if you 
> hold your form correctly.  They will take you through this but this is 
> something to expect.
>   Next thing to expect is when the chute opens it’s very sudden.  For we 
> males it’s important to insure that your gentlemen’s sausage and family 
> jewels are properly oriented so they don’t get pushed back in to your chest 
> from the harness when it opens.  I will say I learned this the um hard way.  
> For women well I’m assuming this will be a simpler process just make sure the 
> harness is comfortable and we’ll leave it there.  When things open up you’re 
> going to go from 120 MPH down to a nice rental float in a matter of a few 
> feet so it’s a bit like hitting a wall.
>   Once you’re open you’ll have ropes above you that you’ll hold on to.  
> Pulling these opens the chute and lets out air so you’re able to steer.  The 
> new square parachutes are very very maneuverable.
>   Landing is gentle for the most part assuming it’s a nice calm day.  
> You’ll sort of step out of it and come to a stop.
> 
> Go for it, it’s an amazing experience.
> 
> 
> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for letting me know Simon.
> > 
> > I will certainly let you all know.  Perhaps I'll treat it as a roller 
> > Coaster ride as you go upside down in those.  If the parachute doesn't open 
> > then I'll be dead as simple as that and the other person with it!
> >> On 22 Dec 2016, at 05:02, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Kawal,
> >> 
> >> I've not sky dived myself but I hear it's amazing,
> >> 
> >> And besides it's pretty safe when you jump from the plane,
> >> 
> >> However that sudden stop at the bottom if the shoot doesn't open might be 
> >> a heart stopper.
> >> 
> >> Good luck can't wait to hear how it goes for you.
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2016 11:56 AM
> >> To: Macvisionaries 
> >> Subject: Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?
> >> 
> >> Talking about flying, I'm doing a sky dive next year to raise money for 
> >> charity.  I am very determined to do it even though I've not been goods 
> >> with heights, but this year I went to Iceland to trek and went up 
> >> mountains so I'm sure now I will have no problems sky diving.
> >>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 15:27, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Sandi:
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, that was me in Copenhagen. That was many years ago, I think 
> >>> perhaps
> >>> 2003 or 2004? Your memory is impressive! 
> >>> 
> >>> I was Hans Rasmussen's guest at the Danish Institute. He arranged a 
> >>> session on Linux for interested folks on more than one occasion, as I 
> >>> recall. iI know I was in Copenhagen, staying at the Institute, at 
> >>> least
> >>> 3 or 4 times. I guess you were there for one of those sessions? Small 
> >>> world! 
> >>> 
> >>> You ask what I play. The answer is keyboards these days. My training, 
> >>> and my college degree, was in music. I trained to be a concert 
> >>> pianist--Beethoven, Mozart, and all those guys. Nowadays my music is 
> >>> focussed around being a church musician. I'm Music Director for a 
> >>> small church in College Park, Maryland, near where I live.
> >>> 
> >>> The time of my turn at the controls of a Cesna must have in in 1969 or 
> >>> 1970. Our Music Department Chairman sat me down and read me a letter 
> >>> from a camps some 200 plus miles away from where we were. They were 
> >>> looking for someone to perform a concert for them. They were only 
> >>> paying transportation, and I was trying to figure out how to say "No" 
> >>> to my department Chairman until he looked up at me and said: "Let's fly."
> >>> 
> >>> I knew he was a pilot. I immediately said