RE: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 No one actualy said you weren't crazy,

 That's just an assumption!

 But hey, I'll jump in that boat also.
Lol


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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 3 March 2017 2:08 PM
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Subject: Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

Thank you!!! I'm glad to know I'm not crazy. :) Cheers, Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure what view Apple Accessibility is using, but, the VO-comma/VO-period 
> doesn't work for me when my playlist is in List View.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 17:35, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks.  I do have my playlist set to be sorted manually.  I was using the 
> other drag and drop method, I will give this one a try.  Apple Accessibility 
> says it is supposed to work.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What's likely happening here is related to sorting.  If your playlist is set 
>> to be sorted by some other parameter, such as Artist or Song Title, then 
>> dragging and dropping will not be permitted.  Therefore, you must first sort 
>> things in the playlist by the Status column by pressing VO-shift-back slash, 
>> navigating to the Status column header, then press VO-space.  Press 
>> VO-shift-back slash to take focus back out of the Header area.  Now that 
>> items in the playlist are sorted by the Status column, you are able to 
>> custom sort items in the order you wish by using the old Drag & Drop method. 
>>  That is, navigate to the song you wish to move, press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure 
>> that VO and mouse focus are synced, press VO-cmd-shift-space which announces 
>> "Mouse Down".  Navigate to your desired location for dropping, press 
>> VO-cmd-f5 to sync focus again, then VO-cmd-shift-space to drop it.  I can't 
>> recall whether it drops before or after, or if that depends on whether 
>> you're navigating up or down, so you may need to experiment some.  It does 
>> work though.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 16:44, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> I have used it for moving files. I have never used it, or any other command, 
>> for creating playlists.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3/03/2017, at 12:04, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That specific drag and drop command may only be for installing apps. Just 
>>> guessing. 
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 
 2. mar. 2017 kl. 23.33 skrev Donna Goodin :
 
 Hi David,
 
 Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't 
 both locations be visible on the screen?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
> the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the 
> drag function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop 
> location. It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that 
> point, the item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say 
>> once you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where 
>> you want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So this is what I am doing.
>>> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
>>> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and 
>>> Drop.
>>> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
>>> dragging the song.
>>> 
>>> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
>>> initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
>>> happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Donna Goodin]

Thank you!!! I'm glad to know I'm not crazy. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure what view Apple Accessibility is using, but, the VO-comma/VO-period 
> doesn't work for me when my playlist is in List View.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 17:35, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks.  I do have my playlist set to be sorted manually.  I was using the 
> other drag and drop method, I will give this one a try.  Apple Accessibility 
> says it is supposed to work.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What's likely happening here is related to sorting.  If your playlist is set 
>> to be sorted by some other parameter, such as Artist or Song Title, then 
>> dragging and dropping will not be permitted.  Therefore, you must first sort 
>> things in the playlist by the Status column by pressing VO-shift-back slash, 
>> navigating to the Status column header, then press VO-space.  Press 
>> VO-shift-back slash to take focus back out of the Header area.  Now that 
>> items in the playlist are sorted by the Status column, you are able to 
>> custom sort items in the order you wish by using the old Drag & Drop method. 
>>  That is, navigate to the song you wish to move, press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure 
>> that VO and mouse focus are synced, press VO-cmd-shift-space which announces 
>> "Mouse Down".  Navigate to your desired location for dropping, press 
>> VO-cmd-f5 to sync focus again, then VO-cmd-shift-space to drop it.  I can't 
>> recall whether it drops before or after, or if that depends on whether 
>> you're navigating up or down, so you may need to experiment some.  It does 
>> work though.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 16:44, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> I have used it for moving files. I have never used it, or any other command, 
>> for creating playlists.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3/03/2017, at 12:04, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That specific drag and drop command may only be for installing apps. Just 
>>> guessing. 
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 
 2. mar. 2017 kl. 23.33 skrev Donna Goodin :
 
 Hi David,
 
 Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't 
 both locations be visible on the screen?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
> the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the 
> drag function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop 
> location. It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that 
> point, the item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say 
>> once you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where 
>> you want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So this is what I am doing.
>>> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
>>> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and 
>>> Drop.
>>> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
>>> dragging the song.
>>> 
>>> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
>>> initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
>>> happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not sure what view Apple Accessibility is using, but, the VO-comma/VO-period 
doesn't work for me when my playlist is in List View.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 2, 2017, at 17:35, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Tim,

Thanks.  I do have my playlist set to be sorted manually.  I was using the 
other drag and drop method, I will give this one a try.  Apple Accessibility 
says it is supposed to work.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What's likely happening here is related to sorting.  If your playlist is set 
> to be sorted by some other parameter, such as Artist or Song Title, then 
> dragging and dropping will not be permitted.  Therefore, you must first sort 
> things in the playlist by the Status column by pressing VO-shift-back slash, 
> navigating to the Status column header, then press VO-space.  Press 
> VO-shift-back slash to take focus back out of the Header area.  Now that 
> items in the playlist are sorted by the Status column, you are able to custom 
> sort items in the order you wish by using the old Drag & Drop method.  That 
> is, navigate to the song you wish to move, press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure that VO 
> and mouse focus are synced, press VO-cmd-shift-space which announces "Mouse 
> Down".  Navigate to your desired location for dropping, press VO-cmd-f5 to 
> sync focus again, then VO-cmd-shift-space to drop it.  I can't recall whether 
> it drops before or after, or if that depends on whether you're navigating up 
> or down, so you may need to experiment some.  It does work though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 16:44, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I have used it for moving files. I have never used it, or any other command, 
> for creating playlists.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3/03/2017, at 12:04, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> That specific drag and drop command may only be for installing apps. Just 
>> guessing. 
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 
>>> 2. mar. 2017 kl. 23.33 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
>>> locations be visible on the screen?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
 
 Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
 the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
 function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. 
 It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the 
 item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> 
> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
> you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you 
> want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So this is what I am doing.
>> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
>> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
>> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
>> dragging the song.
>> 
>> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
>> initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
>> happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Donna Goodin]

You sound like my husband. lol
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 5:43 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, both locations should be visible on the screen. Note: I have not created 
> playlists. My partner does that because she loves music. I merely enjoy her 
> efforts.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3/03/2017, at 11:33, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
>> locations be visible on the screen?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
>>> the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
>>> function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. 
>>> It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the 
>>> item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna.
 
 I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
 you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you 
 want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
 
 Kawal.
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So this is what I am doing.
> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
> dragging the song.
> 
> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
> initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
> happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Tim,

Thanks.  I do have my playlist set to be sorted manually.  I was using the 
other drag and drop method, I will give this one a try.  Apple Accessibility 
says it is supposed to work.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What's likely happening here is related to sorting.  If your playlist is set 
> to be sorted by some other parameter, such as Artist or Song Title, then 
> dragging and dropping will not be permitted.  Therefore, you must first sort 
> things in the playlist by the Status column by pressing VO-shift-back slash, 
> navigating to the Status column header, then press VO-space.  Press 
> VO-shift-back slash to take focus back out of the Header area.  Now that 
> items in the playlist are sorted by the Status column, you are able to custom 
> sort items in the order you wish by using the old Drag & Drop method.  That 
> is, navigate to the song you wish to move, press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure that VO 
> and mouse focus are synced, press VO-cmd-shift-space which announces "Mouse 
> Down".  Navigate to your desired location for dropping, press VO-cmd-f5 to 
> sync focus again, then VO-cmd-shift-space to drop it.  I can't recall whether 
> it drops before or after, or if that depends on whether you're navigating up 
> or down, so you may need to experiment some.  It does work though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 16:44, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I have used it for moving files. I have never used it, or any other command, 
> for creating playlists.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3/03/2017, at 12:04, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> That specific drag and drop command may only be for installing apps. Just 
>> guessing. 
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 
>>> 2. mar. 2017 kl. 23.33 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
>>> locations be visible on the screen?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
 
 Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
 the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
 function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. 
 It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the 
 item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> 
> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
> you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you 
> want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So this is what I am doing.
>> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
>> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
>> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
>> dragging the song.
>> 
>> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
>> initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
>> happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: follow up on editing playlist

[Matthew Dierckens]

God bless.
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> On Mar 2, 2017, at 19:05, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've sent instructions in a different thread for accomplishing this task.  
> Doing it on your iDevice was a good idea, but only works for those with Apple 
> Music or iTunes Match where the iCloud Music Library is active.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:57, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just in case anyone else wonders about this.  I had no luck editing the 
> playlist on my Mac, so have sent an inquiry to Accessibility.  However, I was 
> able to make the desired edits on my phone, which then synced the playlist 
> with iTunes on my Mac.  From what I can tell, that is the only way to do this.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: follow up on editing playlist

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I've sent instructions in a different thread for accomplishing this task.  
Doing it on your iDevice was a good idea, but only works for those with Apple 
Music or iTunes Match where the iCloud Music Library is active.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:57, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Just in case anyone else wonders about this.  I had no luck editing the 
playlist on my Mac, so have sent an inquiry to Accessibility.  However, I was 
able to make the desired edits on my phone, which then synced the playlist with 
iTunes on my Mac.  From what I can tell, that is the only way to do this.
Best,
Donna

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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

What's likely happening here is related to sorting.  If your playlist is set to 
be sorted by some other parameter, such as Artist or Song Title, then dragging 
and dropping will not be permitted.  Therefore, you must first sort things in 
the playlist by the Status column by pressing VO-shift-back slash, navigating 
to the Status column header, then press VO-space.  Press VO-shift-back slash to 
take focus back out of the Header area.  Now that items in the playlist are 
sorted by the Status column, you are able to custom sort items in the order you 
wish by using the old Drag & Drop method.  That is, navigate to the song you 
wish to move, press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure that VO and mouse focus are synced, 
press VO-cmd-shift-space which announces "Mouse Down".  Navigate to your 
desired location for dropping, press VO-cmd-f5 to sync focus again, then 
VO-cmd-shift-space to drop it.  I can't recall whether it drops before or 
after, or if that depends on whether you're navigating up or down, so you may 
need to experiment some.  It does work though.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 2, 2017, at 16:44, David Chittenden  wrote:

I have used it for moving files. I have never used it, or any other command, 
for creating playlists.

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> On 3/03/2017, at 12:04, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> That specific drag and drop command may only be for installing apps. Just 
> guessing. 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
>> 2. mar. 2017 kl. 23.33 skrev Donna Goodin :
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
>> locations be visible on the screen?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
>>> the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
>>> function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. 
>>> It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the 
>>> item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
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>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna.
 
 I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
 you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you 
 want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
 
 Kawal.
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So this is what I am doing.
> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
> dragging the song.
> 
> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
> initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
> happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[David Chittenden]

I have used it for moving files. I have never used it, or any other command, 
for creating playlists.

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> On 3/03/2017, at 12:04, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> That specific drag and drop command may only be for installing apps. Just 
> guessing. 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
>> 2. mar. 2017 kl. 23.33 skrev Donna Goodin :
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
>> locations be visible on the screen?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
>>> the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
>>> function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. 
>>> It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the 
>>> item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna.
 
 I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
 you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you 
 want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
 
 Kawal.
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So this is what I am doing.
> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
> dragging the song.
> 
> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
> initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
> happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[David Chittenden]

Yes, both locations should be visible on the screen. Note: I have not created 
playlists. My partner does that because she loves music. I merely enjoy her 
efforts.

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> On 3/03/2017, at 11:33, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
> locations be visible on the screen?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
>> the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
>> function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. 
>> It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the 
>> item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> 
>>> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
>>> you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you 
>>> want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 So this is what I am doing.
 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
 dragging the song.
 
 That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
 initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
 happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
 TIA,
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Terje Strømberg]

That specific drag and drop command may only be for installing apps. Just 
guessing. 

Take care


> 2. mar. 2017 kl. 23.33 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
> locations be visible on the screen?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at 
>> the same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
>> function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. 
>> It is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the 
>> item is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> 
>>> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
>>> you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you 
>>> want it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 So this is what I am doing.
 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is 
 dragging the song.
 
 That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to 
 initiate the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is 
 happening.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
 TIA,
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

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Hi David,

Thanks for pointing this out.  But in the case of a playlist, wouldn't both 
locations be visible on the screen?
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at the 
> same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
> function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. It 
> is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the item 
> is moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
>> you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you want 
>> it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So this is what I am doing.
>>> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
>>> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
>>> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is dragging 
>>> the song.
>>> 
>>> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to initiate 
>>> the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is happening.  Can 
>>> someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[David Chittenden]

Drag and drop only works when both locations are visible on the screen at the 
same time. VO comma marks the item for drag. VO period starts the drag 
function. The item literally drags across the screen to the drop location. It 
is necessary to wait until the drag sound completes. at that point, the item is 
moved, or VO says the drag was unsuccessful.

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> On 3/03/2017, at 11:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi Donna.
> 
> I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
> you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you want 
> it?  That was the bit I could not make work.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So this is what I am doing.
>> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
>> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
>> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is dragging 
>> the song.
>> 
>> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to initiate 
>> the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is happening.  Can 
>> someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Donna.

I could never get this to work.  Like you, I got stuck where you say once 
you've done VO Comma.  Isn't it VO shift V to put the file to where you want 
it?  That was the bit I could not make work.

Kawal.
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 17:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So this is what I am doing.
> 1. Going to the song I want to drag.
> 2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
> 3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is dragging 
> the song.
> 
> That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to initiate 
> the drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is happening.  Can 
> someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: google drive

[David Chittenden]

Is this for iOS or Mac?

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> On 3/03/2017, at 09:20, jean parker  wrote:
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> Hello All:
> 
> I am sure this has been covered before but does anyone have advice about 
> using google drive? I downloaded the app which didn’t solve anything. How to 
> open a document would be a good beginning. Off list responses are fine and 
> much appreciated.
> 
> Jean
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google drive

[jean parker]

Hello All:

I am sure this has been covered before but does anyone have advice about using 
google drive? I downloaded the app which didn’t solve anything. How to open a 
document would be a good beginning. Off list responses are fine and much 
appreciated.

Jean
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follow up on editing playlist

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just in case anyone else wonders about this.  I had no luck editing the 
playlist on my Mac, so have sent an inquiry to Accessibility.  However, I was 
able to make the desired edits on my phone, which then synced the playlist with 
iTunes on my Mac.  From what I can tell, that is the only way to do this.
Best,
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Can someone refresh me on Drag and Drop?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

So this is what I am doing.
1. Going to the song I want to drag.
2. Pressing VO Comma.  VO says that the song is marked for drag and Drop.
3.  Press VO Period.  The whirring sound starts, and VO says it is dragging the 
song.

That's where I get stuck.  I thought that VO Comma was supposed to initiate the 
drag, and VO Period the drop, but that isn't what is happening.  Can someone 
tell me what I'm doing wrong?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: moving a song in an iTunes playlist

[Jonathan Cohn]

I would expect that the mark for drag and drag before commands should work
for this, if not, then we should hammer accessibility support with requests
to get it to work.

Personally, I haven't done much with the current version of iTunes, mostly
just managing  my IOS devices and playing with the Podcasts area. And I
have to say the Podcast area is less than intuitive.

But then, I find that anytime an application  enables a Web View it gets
more difficult to navigate, and usually more so than on my Windows machine.

.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:26 PM Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to rearrange the play order in one of my playlists.  I used to
> be able to use CMD-X to cut a song, and then paste it in the place where I
> want it.  But now, if I use CMD-X, it deletes the song from my music
> library.  So, how do I move a song from one spot in a playlist to another?
> TIA,
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