Re: High Sierra Beta

[E.T.]

Michael,
   How did you manage to change the format back to macOS Extended? 
Whether I try to do this under the Partition tab or Erase tab, I get a 
failed error message.


   I went into Internet Recovery but could not use the macOS Extended 
format. I had tried to boot my 10.12.5 installer and when I attempted 
the installation, the error message said I was trying to install over a 
newer macOS version, something like that. Yet I cannot erase the drive.


   Back to Internet Recovery. What is different here as opposed to the 
normal command-r method?


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On 7/3/2017 5:56 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

My Apologies, I Accidentally Hit Send When I Was Typing my First Message. Do 
Not Upgrade to The New File System on The Test Version. It is Clearly Not Ready 
And This is Why it is Hidden in The Installer. I Tried Upgrading Through 
Recovery With Disastrous Results. I Was Presented With a White Screen and my 
System Would Not Even Booted into Recovery. In The End, I Had to Launch 
Internet Recovery, Erase my Entire Drive Including All Petitions And Restore 
From a Time Machine Backup I am not going to try this again until the main 
release.

Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:55 pm, E.T.  wrote:

  Yup but I have not found it.

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On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
yup.
In the installer.
You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
upgrade by default.


On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
   I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
that one can switch to APFS after the fact.

   Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
login screen.

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On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.



On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled



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  Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using
the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to
be formatted with Mac extended journaled?

  Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old
hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to
the login screen. Did I miss something?

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Re: Skype for business

[Doug Lee]

Which version are you calling .9? Trying to figure out if you prefer the key 
sequences in the newer scripts, or the Ctrl+Shift commands in
the older scripts, or if you are saying there was a change in actual SFB 
keystrokes not related to my scripts. I changed from Ctrl+Shift
commands to sequences because of keystroke collisions. I'm starting to do that 
a lot nowadays in light of the increasing number of apps that
self-update without asking, add and change keystrokes whenever they like, etc.

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 10:14:02PM -0400, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
   Make sure to get the Doug Lee Scripts at [1]lee.org I personally prefer
   the keystrokes from the .9 version.

   Also note, some Windows firewall systems won't let you download the
   scripts from Doug since he gets such little traffic.

   I have more luck downloading to Macintosh, and then migrating to PC via
   a Flash drive.

   Best wishes,
   Jonathan Cohn

   On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[2]kgli...@icloud.com>
   wrote:

   My work have just got Skype for Business in the Windows environment.  I
   hate using skype with Jaws even though I've not used Skype with jaws
   for years.  I much prefer Skype with Voice Over!
   Kawal.

 On 30 Jun 2017, at 17:11, Scott Granados
 <[3]scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
 I'm running it on the Mac and it's working pretty well.  Luckily,
 where I work they grant the engineers administrative access to their
 own laptops.  Of course most of our company works with virtual
 desktops so I'm glad to have a real machine at all, let alone a Mac
 with root.:)

 On Jun 30, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn <[4]jon.c.c...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Ah, thanks for this Scott, my Windows environment has Skype for
 Business but my Macintosh environment is still running with  Lync
 and I get errors on the Macintosh side overtime time I try to change
 the list of contacts. It appears I need to get IT to upgrade my
 Lync. Though they are still dragging their feet on upgrades to
 Sierra.
 Best wishes,
 Jonathan Cohn

 On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Scott Granados
 <[5]scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
 The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think
 it's gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data
 source.  I know I had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the
 link and the Skype for business application started itself and
 connected me to the meeting.  The controls on the Skype for business
 AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  Not sure if that helps at
 all but that might be a good solution to the video problem if Skype
 for business / link is supported.

 On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin <[6]doniado...@me.com>
 wrote:
 Hi John,
 I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.
 It's unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test
 link.  I've spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no
 joy.  So no need for you to spend your time tomorrow trying to
 connect, but thank you very much for the offer.
 Best,
 Donna

 On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn <[7]jon.c.c...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Donna,
 While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has
 the option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go
 To Meetings tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or
 Windows if you like for the second meeting. I believe most screen
 sharing services for web meetings are inaccessible for the blind.
 Microsoft Lync now re-branded as Skype for Business could work with
 PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I had to jigger things a bit to
 have the slides automatically read.
 The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation
 materials in advance.
 Best wishes,
 Jonathan Cohn

 On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin <[8]doniado...@me.com>
 wrote:
 thanks, David.
 Cheers,
 Donna

 On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden
 <[9]dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
 No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
 Kind regards,
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: [10]dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin <[11]doniado...@me.com> wrote:
 Hi all,
 Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac
 or on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac
 and not having any luck.
 TIA,
 Donna
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Re: Ranges in Formulas in Numbers

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes, I believe that all row and column headers are automatically named ranges. 
In Excel, one can also create ranges by selecting a group of cells when in a 
formula or by using two locations separated by a colan. I expect these 
behaviors would work in numbers as well. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 2, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Trying to build myself a new budget and I thought I’d take a look at the 
> template that comes with Numbers.  In one of the cells, the following formula 
> appears:
> 
> SUMIF(Category,A2,$Amount)
> 
> From what I understand, “Category” would refer to where to look for the 
> value, a2 refers to the actual value and $amount refers to the numeric value 
> associated with the found value.
> 
> Voiceover reports that both “Category” and “$amount” are ranges.
> 
> My question is, how can I figure out where these ranges point and how do you 
> create a range?
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: A very basic question, concerning the save as dialogue

[Jonathan Cohn]

Check your "disclosure" button in the save dialog. This can be expanded or 
collapsed. If clasped, then only recent and favorite locations are available to 
save items into.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim:
> Am using List view.
> but can you explain more please
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It depends on the view that you are in.  If you're in List view, either 
>> expand the disclosure triangle for the given folder or double-click on the 
>> folder to open it.  Since the folder is then either open or has focus, items 
>> you save should be saved within that folder.  If you're in Column view, then 
>> arrow to bring focus within the folders tree, and then press the Save button.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:58, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> Sorry if my question will disturb anyone because this is a very very 
>> starting topic, but i need to understand.
>> i need to save any file as, inside text edit, pages, or anything, i can find 
>> the comp box to select from my Hd, downloads, documents etc, but if i need 
>> let’s say to choose the document folder, and i need to put my file inside a 
>> sub folder, how can i select it from the save as dialogue? i tried but with 
>> no luck,
>> 
>> Thanks in advance 
>> 
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Re: Skype for business

[Jonathan Cohn]

Make sure to get the Doug Lee Scripts at lee.org I personally prefer the 
keystrokes from the .9 version.

Also note, some Windows firewall systems won't let you download the scripts 
from Doug since he gets such little traffic.

I have more luck downloading to Macintosh, and then migrating to PC via a Flash 
drive.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My work have just got Skype for Business in the Windows environment.  I hate 
> using skype with Jaws even though I've not used Skype with jaws for years.  I 
> much prefer Skype with Voice Over!
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 17:11, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m running it on the Mac and it’s working pretty well.  Luckily, where I 
>> work they grant the engineers administrative access to their own laptops.  
>> Of course most of our company works with virtual desktops so I’m glad to 
>> have a real machine at all, let alone a Mac with root.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, thanks for this Scott, my Windows environment has Skype for Business 
>>> but my Macintosh environment is still running with  Lync and I get errors 
>>> on the Macintosh side overtime time I try to change the list of contacts. 
>>> It appears I need to get IT to upgrade my Lync. Though they are still 
>>> dragging their feet on upgrades to Sierra. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
 gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I 
 had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for 
 business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The 
 controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible. 
  Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the 
 video problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
 
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  
> I've spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no 
> need for you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you 
> very much for the offer.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
>> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To 
>> Meetings tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if 
>> you like for the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services 
>> for web meetings are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now 
>> re-branded as Skype for Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS 
>> though I think I had to jigger things a bit to have the slides 
>> automatically read. 
>> 
>> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials 
>> in advance.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks, David.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac 
> or on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and 
> not having any luck.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Angus MacKinnon]

I am using the latest iTunes with ElCapitan and everytime I want to move 
something to my iPhoneI am getting “iTunes can not sync to the iPhone becaause 
iTunes can not find … “. I am getting very tired of this message. I am thinking 
of bypassing iTunes entirely. I can nott get anything. I am just searching all 
the time. I get one thing deleted and the errors increase.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: High Sierra Beta

[E.T.]

   This morning, I tried again, and this time while in Disk Utilities I 
formatted the external drive to APFS. This time the install seemed to 
progress. But as you, hours later, the system was stuck.


   No problem there. But yesterday I somehow started the install from 
the App Store which was not my intention, and Sierra became High Sierra. 
Its actually running well. This is the internal drive so am about to 
downgrade it and restore from Time Machine.


   Yes I am not going to try this again for a while. (smiles)

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On 7/3/2017 5:56 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

My Apologies, I Accidentally Hit Send When I Was Typing my First Message. Do 
Not Upgrade to The New File System on The Test Version. It is Clearly Not Ready 
And This is Why it is Hidden in The Installer. I Tried Upgrading Through 
Recovery With Disastrous Results. I Was Presented With a White Screen and my 
System Would Not Even Booted into Recovery. In The End, I Had to Launch 
Internet Recovery, Erase my Entire Drive Including All Petitions And Restore 
From a Time Machine Backup I am not going to try this again until the main 
release.

Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:55 pm, E.T.  wrote:

  Yup but I have not found it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
yup.
In the installer.
You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
upgrade by default.


On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
   I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
that one can switch to APFS after the fact.

   Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
login screen.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.



On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled



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Subject: High Sierra Beta

  Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using
the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to
be formatted with Mac extended journaled?

  Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old
hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to
the login screen. Did I miss something?

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Re: Ringtone issue

[Stacey Robinson]

HHMM,
I wonder why they are not all showing up in both places?
Weird.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what might be going on with your phone.  But when I look under 
> sounds, they are all there.  If you go under ring tones, they are all there, 
> when I go under text tones, both are all there.  I have over 2000 ring and 
> text tones, and they are in both lists.
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok,
>> So how can I assign a ringtone as a default text tone when it only shows 
>> when I’m looking at ringtones?
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ever since iOS 9, they have grouped them in the same category.  I think 
>>> they did this so you can use a ring tone as a text tone, and a text tone as 
>>> a ring tone.  Annoying, but that’s how it is.
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I found the tones I was missing.
 They all seem to be under ringtones.
 How can I make all ringtones show up when I’m looking at text tones?
 I’ve used one of these as a text tone before but now it’s only showing in 
 ringtones
 
 Any help is appreciated.
 Thanks,
 Peace, 
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Smishing scams target your text messages. Here's how to avoid them

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'Smishing' scams target your text messages. Here's how to avoid them 
Marc Saltzman , USA TODAY 

While the name of this growing threat might sound funny, being a victim of
it is no joke. Similar to a "phishing" scam where computer users receive an
authentic-looking email that appears to be from their bank, Internet Service
Provider (ISP), favorite store, or other organization "smishing" messages
are sent to you via SMS (text message) on your mobile phone. What does the
sender want? To defraud you. "Criminals like smishing because users tend to
trust text messages, as opposed to email, of which many people are more
suspicious, due to phishing attacks," says Stephen Cobb, a security
researcher at ESET, a global cybersecurity company. "As smartphones are the
primary means of accessing the Internet in some countries, this has tempted
criminals around the world to invest in scams that target these devices.
"That means there is no shortage of skills in this space, skills that
criminals can tap to target cellphone users in any country they chose," Cobb
adds. Related: Cybercriminals are trying to lure you into providing account
information such as a login name, password or credit card info by tapping on
a link that takes you to a web site. Here they can get enough info to steal
your identity. Or you might be asked to answer questions via text message or
advised to call a phone number. In some cases, you'll receive a text message
with a sense of urgency: Dear customer, Bank of America needs you to verify
your PIN number immediately to confirm you're the proper account holder.
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Or, perhaps, it will come in the form of a more personal note: Beautiful
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looking text (or email) on your phone and it asks you to urgently confirm
information, it's not coming from a legitimate institution. Therefore, don't
reply and don't tap on the link in the message. Simply delete it. Your bank,
financial institution, ISP or favorite online retailer will never ask for
sensitive info this way. When in doubt, contact the company yourself. Even
though you might be tempted to hit Reply and tell them to leave you alone,
you're only confirming your phone number is valid, which might invite even
more scams. * Anti-malware ("malicious software") software exists for mobile
devices, many of which can detect and stop a smishing attempt. This serves
as an extra line of defense from these malicious types, but you must still
exercise common sense. ESET, the cybersecurity company Cobb is a researcher
for, has a free Google Play app called ESET Mobile Security & Antivirus.
Features include antivirus, remote lock and siren, GPS localization, and
tablet support, while upgrading to Premium ($14.99/year) adds SMS and call
filters, remote wiping, anti-phishing, photo snapshots (of someone trying to
log into your device), and more. Other providers of similar software include
Norton Anti-Virus and McAfee. On a related note, be sure to always update
your smartphone's operating system to the latest version. * Look for
suspicious charges on your monthly phone bill. Even if you never responded
to one of these texts, it doesn't hurt to look at your itemized charges to
see if there's anything that looks off. If it does, contact your phone
provider right away to dispute the charges. Don't worry, they've heard it
all before. Resist entering contests that ask you to provide your mobile
number, as you're setting yourself up for these kinds of scams. Similarly,
don't post your mobile phone number on social media or other public forums.
* When mobile shopping, stick with reputable retailers. When giving out
financial information, like your credit card, always be sure to look for
indicators that the site is secure, such as a little lock icon on the
browser's status bar or a URL for a website that begins "https:" (the "s"
stands for "secure"). On a related note, never tap on a link to a retailer
to shop online -- just in case it's a scam. Instead, manually type in the
store's URL (e.g. amazon.com) or use the store's official app. 
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Re: High Sierra Beta

[Michael Marshall]

My Apologies, I Accidentally Hit Send When I Was Typing my First Message. Do 
Not Upgrade to The New File System on The Test Version. It is Clearly Not Ready 
And This is Why it is Hidden in The Installer. I Tried Upgrading Through 
Recovery With Disastrous Results. I Was Presented With a White Screen and my 
System Would Not Even Booted into Recovery. In The End, I Had to Launch 
Internet Recovery, Erase my Entire Drive Including All Petitions And Restore 
From a Time Machine Backup I am not going to try this again until the main 
release.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:55 pm, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Yup but I have not found it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> yup.
>> In the installer.
>> You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
>> upgrade by default.
>> 
>>> On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>>I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
>>> site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
>>> that one can switch to APFS after the fact.
>>> 
>>>Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
>>> login screen.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.
 
 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 11:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: High Sierra Beta
> 
>   Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using
> the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to
> be formatted with Mac extended journaled?
> 
>   Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old
> hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to
> the login screen. Did I miss something?
> 
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Re: High Sierra Beta

[Michael Marshall]

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:55 pm, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Yup but I have not found it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> yup.
>> In the installer.
>> You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
>> upgrade by default.
>> 
>>> On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>>I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
>>> site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
>>> that one can switch to APFS after the fact.
>>> 
>>>Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
>>> login screen.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.
 
 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 11:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: High Sierra Beta
> 
>   Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using
> the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to
> be formatted with Mac extended journaled?
> 
>   Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old
> hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to
> the login screen. Did I miss something?
> 
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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Re: Ringtone issue

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I don’t know what might be going on with your phone.  But when I look under 
sounds, they are all there.  If you go under ring tones, they are all there, 
when I go under text tones, both are all there.  I have over 2000 ring and text 
tones, and they are in both lists.
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Ok,
> So how can I assign a ringtone as a default text tone when it only shows when 
> I’m looking at ringtones?
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Ever since iOS 9, they have grouped them in the same category.  I think they 
>> did this so you can use a ring tone as a text tone, and a text tone as a 
>> ring tone.  Annoying, but that’s how it is.
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I found the tones I was missing.
>>> They all seem to be under ringtones.
>>> How can I make all ringtones show up when I’m looking at text tones?
>>> I’ve used one of these as a text tone before but now it’s only showing in 
>>> ringtones
>>> 
>>> Any help is appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
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Re: Ringtone issue

[Stacey Robinson]

Ok,
So how can I assign a ringtone as a default text tone when it only shows when 
I’m looking at ringtones?
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Ever since iOS 9, they have grouped them in the same category.  I think they 
> did this so you can use a ring tone as a text tone, and a text tone as a ring 
> tone.  Annoying, but that’s how it is.
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I found the tones I was missing.
>> They all seem to be under ringtones.
>> How can I make all ringtones show up when I’m looking at text tones?
>> I’ve used one of these as a text tone before but now it’s only showing in 
>> ringtones
>> 
>> Any help is appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Ringtone issue

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Ever since iOS 9, they have grouped them in the same category.  I think they 
did this so you can use a ring tone as a text tone, and a text tone as a ring 
tone.  Annoying, but that’s how it is.
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I found the tones I was missing.
> They all seem to be under ringtones.
> How can I make all ringtones show up when I’m looking at text tones?
> I’ve used one of these as a text tone before but now it’s only showing in 
> ringtones
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> Any help is appreciated.
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

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It’s relatively easy.  Just create a play list, add songs, albums, or artists 
to it.  When your done, plug in your phone, go to the music tab of your phone, 
select sync play lists, select the one you created, and let iTunes do it’s 
thing.  If you need any more 1on1 help, you can contact me at
kliph...@icloud.com 

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi Tim:
> Frankly i need to find a good podcast on using iTunes with mac, even as a 
> music player, copying songs to Iphone etc, can you recommend please?
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous 
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song 
>> transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll 
>> cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[E.T.]

Ramy,
   I myself don't know of one but I think in the long run you will be 
better off learning to use iTunes rather than putting time and energy 
into 3rd party solutions.


   Any media you add to iTunes library on your Mac can then be synced 
to your iPhone.


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On 7/3/2017 3:35 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi Tim:
Frankly i need to find a good podcast on using iTunes with mac, even as a music 
player, copying songs to Iphone etc, can you recommend please?

On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous hoops 
to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song transfer 
when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll cause 
yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
 Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Files Pro by Aloive Toast


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Re: A very basic question, concerning the save as dialogue

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Tim:
Am using List view.
but can you explain more please

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> It depends on the view that you are in.  If you're in List view, either 
> expand the disclosure triangle for the given folder or double-click on the 
> folder to open it.  Since the folder is then either open or has focus, items 
> you save should be saved within that folder.  If you're in Column view, then 
> arrow to bring focus within the folders tree, and then press the Save button.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:58, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> Sorry if my question will disturb anyone because this is a very very starting 
> topic, but i need to understand.
> i need to save any file as, inside text edit, pages, or anything, i can find 
> the comp box to select from my Hd, downloads, documents etc, but if i need 
> let’s say to choose the document folder, and i need to put my file inside a 
> sub folder, how can i select it from the save as dialogue? i tried but with 
> no luck,
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:
frankly yes, but i don’t want more clouds in my life :) 
Thanks 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Have you tried PCloud?  You get a lot more space with them.
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:59 AM, Michelle's Home Emails 
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>> Hi friends 
>> 
>> Michelle Stevens here, 
>> 
>> Drop box is the way to go. I must sit down and learn iTunes on my mac and 
>> prone. 
>> 
>> Michelle 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Michelle's  iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 10:11 am, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have you used a service called evermusic?  It lets you stream all your 
>>> normal services like dropbox, Pcloud, etc., and is verry easy to use.  You 
>>> just tell it what account you want linked, sign in to your account, drag 
>>> and drop the files you want to the folders on your computer, and there you 
>>> go.
 On Jul 2, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all:
 
 I have some songs that i need to move to my iPhone from my Mac mini, i 
 don’t want to use I tunes, I tried using the airdrop but My Iphone asks me 
 where to put the songs, i choose the app that am using which called Files 
 Pro by Aloive Toast Software LTD, it’s very accessible,  but when i select 
 this, i can not find the files that i sent over airdrop,
 do you have any other suggestions of how to move some songs from my Mac to 
 My Iphone?
 Thanks in advance 
 
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:

I tried the Airdrop,  but it asked me to open in an App, i choose the Files pro 
which is very accessible, but don’t know where the files 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree here.
> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
> Its pritty easy.
> /A
>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous 
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song 
>> transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll 
>> cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>> 
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>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Ramy Moustafa]

No, will try it,
Thanks 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:11 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Have you used a service called evermusic?  It lets you stream all your normal 
> services like dropbox, Pcloud, etc., and is verry easy to use.  You just tell 
> it what account you want linked, sign in to your account, drag and drop the 
> files you want to the folders on your computer, and there you go.
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> I have some songs that i need to move to my iPhone from my Mac mini, i don’t 
>> want to use I tunes, I tried using the airdrop but My Iphone asks me where 
>> to put the songs, i choose the app that am using which called Files Pro by 
>> Aloive Toast Software LTD, it’s very accessible,  but when i select this, i 
>> can not find the files that i sent over airdrop,
>> do you have any other suggestions of how to move some songs from my Mac to 
>> My Iphone?
>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Tim:
Frankly i need to find a good podcast on using iTunes with mac, even as a music 
player, copying songs to Iphone etc, can you recommend please?
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous 
> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song 
> transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll 
> cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
>  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Ramy Moustafa]

Yes i have dropbox, but, i need to use something Off line, and not dropbox.
Thanks 
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
>   Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Combining Languages in Mac OS

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:

I’m using English and Arabic here, and the only solution for me is to buy the 
Accabella TTs, and i bought the 2 voices, then i can make the automatic 
switching 
Thanks 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Alex Yefetov  wrote:
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> Dear MacVisionaries,
> 
> 
> 
> I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and Russian), 
> and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, I'm 
> struggling with a problem. When I try to work with any document containing 
> two or more languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer 
> automatically between them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read English 
> with English voice and Russian with Russian one without having to switch them 
> manually. Instead it tries to pronounce everything in language set as a 
> default and just skips the words if the alphabet is different (Cyrillic).
> 
> 
> 
> Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language I 
> cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as 
> they are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have 
> any solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different languages?
> 
> 
> 
> My next stage of learning is going to be Arabic and Mandarin, and I can 
> hardly imagine how I could get thru. Would highly appreciate any input!
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Re: High Sierra Beta

[Michael Marshall]

 i did not see that option, will have to go into recovery and try and find it.

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:53 pm, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> yup.
> In the installer.
> You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
> upgrade by default.
> 
> On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
>> site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
>> that one can switch to APFS after the fact.
>> 
>>Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
>> login screen.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled
 
 
 
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   Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using
 the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to
 be formatted with Mac extended journaled?
 
   Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old
 hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to
 the login screen. Did I miss something?
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Yes, it was amazing to reach in and pull a processor and have everything still 
work. It had some very cool early on virtualization tricks.  I always liked Sun 
hardware although it was expensive.


> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:43 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> All I can say is "wow!" I've known about hot swapping drives, of course.
> That's pretty standard in RAID. But, I wasn't aware of swapping memory
> or processors. How awesome is that? Just wow!
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> I had a bunch of very cool  Sparcs when I ran my ISP.  Sparc 20 hardware was 
>> pretty exciting at the time.  I had it loaded up with Ross processors and 
>> memory chugging away on NNTP.  The coolest hardware I ever worked with from 
>> Sun was the E10K.  It was so cool changing processors while the machine was 
>> booted, everything was hot swappable.
>> 
>> Ah, that’s back when computing was fun.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.
>>> 
>>> Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
>>> built some fun hardware in their day.
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have 
 stuck with it.  I will have to try your method.
 
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> 
> PS: To become another user I generally do:
> 
> su -u [user] -i
> 
> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
>> "substitute user identity".
>> 
>> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with 
>> somebody,
>> then the command:
>> sudo su somebody -
>> 
>> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
>> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
>> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
>> were accessed by somebody.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
>>> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds 
>>> like
>>> a fair trade.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
 
 Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it 
 into
 my sometimes slow noggin! 
 
 Janina
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
>>> automatically open.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do 
>> VO+m,
>> and go to File then Open.
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
>>> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is 
>>> simply a
>>> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
>>> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
>>> learn the Unix based operating systems.
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
>>> wrote:
 
 okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
>>> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
 
 Fun stuff,
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
>>> wrote:
> 
> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> On 6/27/2017 

Ringtone issue

[Stacey Robinson]

Hello,
I found the tones I was missing.
They all seem to be under ringtones.
How can I make all ringtones show up when I’m looking at text tones?
I’ve used one of these as a text tone before but now it’s only showing in 
ringtones

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Apple Watch Question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys:
I have the 2014 series 1 Apple watch. I use the workout app while on the
treadmill. My question is there a way to have VO automatically read the
workout screen tracking info without having to swipe around the screen?
Taking my hand off the hand rail when going fast to swipe the watch is a bit
dicey.
Thanks,
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi, correct. Well lol! Nearly discussed the workaround on here, good job I 
discarded it when I did.
> On 3 Jul 2017, at 05:44, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Morning macsters,
> 
>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
> IOS 11 beta?
> 
> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
> to find the delete option
> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
> 
> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Simon Fthen
> 
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
> 
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>  not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>  going to install them?
> 
>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
>  that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> > 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
> > “Arrange Apps”
> > it
> > will say “Edit Mode”.
> >
> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> > Drop where it used to say Move App.
> >
> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> > Treat
> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
> > you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
> > drop the item into that folder.
> >
> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> > I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
> > flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
> > moving.
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >> How do one drag and drop?
> >> And where did you find about that feature?
> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> >> /A
> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
> >>> operate differently.
> >>>
> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
> >>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then
> >>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use
> >>> that gesture all the time.
> >>> Yes,
> >>> reporting this.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
> >>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left.
> >>> The Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how
> >>> to get Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental
> >>> hand off occurs.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
> >>> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
> >>> to go into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice
> >>> Dream Reader though so just a different way of doing things.
> >>>
> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
> >>> didn’t realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to
> >>> drag and drop but once I figured it out, I do like it.
> >>>
> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
> >>> issues updating or searching for apps.
> >>>
> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from
> >>> the iOS beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert
>  
>  

Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[Stacey Robinson]

Where in contacts would I look?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:28 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Look in Contacts.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/3/2017 11:23 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> I’m looking for them in sounds.
>> Would they be somewhere else?
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:17 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Then they must be on your phone. Are you looking for them in Contacts?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 9:21 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Yes, they are in my tones folder.
 Peace, 
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Verified that the ringtones are actually in the Tones folder inside your 
> iTunes library? Have you tried doing the opposite and desyncing the 
> ringtones then going through the syncing process again?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Tim,
>> the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, 
>>> select the Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync 
>>> all Ring-tones, and final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your 
>>> Mac should then make there way over to the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
>>> I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my 
>>> tones. I would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my 
>>> iPhone.
>>> Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?
>>> 
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  
 wrote:
 
 Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
 iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
 whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.
 
 Scott
 
 On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree here.
> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
> Its pritty easy.
> /A
>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through 
>> numerous
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make 
>> the
>> song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method 
>> and
>> you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: 

Re: Combining Languages in Mac OS

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, not to be specific, but yes, I did see the capability in the first 
public beta of High Sierra.
> On 3 Jul 2017, at 15:12, Ikrami  wrote:
> 
> I can tell you that you will be pleased with the high-siera update as it will 
> include ato language switching. The feature is not complete yet, but I 
> believe it will grow more mature as betas keep coming.
> There is a work around to have acapela infovox voices switch between two 
> languages, but this TTS is not free.
> Best regards.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Yefetov
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 3:44 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Combining Languages in Mac OS
>  
> Dear MacVisionaries,
>  
> I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and Russian), 
> and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, I'm 
> struggling with a problem. When I try to work with any document containing 
> two or more languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer 
> automatically between them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read English 
> with English voice and Russian with Russian one without having to switch them 
> manually. Instead it tries to pronounce everything in language set as a 
> default and just skips the words if the alphabet is different (Cyrillic). 
>  
> Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language I 
> cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as 
> they are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have 
> any solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different languages?
>  
> My next stage of learning is going to be Arabic and Mandarin, and I can 
> hardly imagine how I could get thru. Would highly appreciate any input!
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

All I can say is "wow!" I've known about hot swapping drives, of course.
That's pretty standard in RAID. But, I wasn't aware of swapping memory
or processors. How awesome is that? Just wow!

Scott Granados writes:
> I had a bunch of very cool  Sparcs when I ran my ISP.  Sparc 20 hardware was 
> pretty exciting at the time.  I had it loaded up with Ross processors and 
> memory chugging away on NNTP.  The coolest hardware I ever worked with from 
> Sun was the E10K.  It was so cool changing processors while the machine was 
> booted, everything was hot swappable.
> 
> Ah, that’s back when computing was fun.:)
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.
> > 
> > Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
> > built some fun hardware in their day.
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have 
> >> stuck with it.  I will have to try your method.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> PS: To become another user I generally do:
> >>> 
> >>> su -u [user] -i
> >>> 
> >>> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> >>> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>  I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
>  "substitute user identity".
>  
>  So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with 
>  somebody,
>  then the command:
>  sudo su somebody -
>  
>  will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
>  encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
>  available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
>  were accessed by somebody.
>  
>  
>  
>  On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  
>  wrote:
>  
> > Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> > and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds 
> > like
> > a fair trade.
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> >> 
> >> Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it 
> >> into
> >> my sometimes slow noggin! 
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> > automatically open.
> >>> 
>  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>  
>  And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do 
>  VO+m,
>  and go to File then Open.
>  
>  Scott Granados writes:
> > Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> > you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is 
> > simply a
> > flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> > extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> > learn the Unix based operating systems.
> > 
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> > know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> >> 
> >> Fun stuff,
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> > some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 
> >>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> > earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I 
> > found
> > my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> > where to 

Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[E.T.]

   Look in Contacts.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 11:23 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I’m looking for them in sounds.
Would they be somewhere else?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:17 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Then they must be on your phone. Are you looking for them in Contacts?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 9:21 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Yes, they are in my tones folder.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Verified that the ringtones are actually in the Tones folder inside your 
iTunes library? Have you tried doing the opposite and desyncing the ringtones 
then going through the syncing process again?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Tim,
the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, select the 
Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all Ring-tones, and 
final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac should then make there 
way over to the iPhone.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

Hi all.
I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. I 
would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.

Scott

On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree here.
But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
Its pritty easy.
/A

2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Files Pro by Aloive Toast


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Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[Stacey Robinson]

I’m looking for them in sounds.
Would they be somewhere else?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:17 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Then they must be on your phone. Are you looking for them in Contacts?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/3/2017 9:21 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Yes, they are in my tones folder.
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Verified that the ringtones are actually in the Tones folder inside your 
>>> iTunes library? Have you tried doing the opposite and desyncing the 
>>> ringtones then going through the syncing process again?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Tim,
 the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
 Peace, 
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, 
> select the Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all 
> Ring-tones, and final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac 
> should then make there way over to the iPhone.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
> I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my 
> tones. I would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
> Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
>> iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
>> whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes i totally agree here.
>>> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
>>> Its pritty easy.
>>> /A
 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through 
 numerous
 hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
 song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method 
 and
 you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Ramy,
 Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
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RE: Combining Languages in Mac OS

[Ikrami]

Take a look at this forum post at applevis:

https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-app-discussion/how-setup-automatic-language-switching-mac-using-infovox-ivox-voices

 

HTH 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 7:45 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Combining Languages in Mac OS

 

Hi!

What is the workaround?

I would like to be able to use acapela changing languages on the fly?/A

3 juli 2017 kl. 16:12 skrev Ikrami  >:

 

I can tell you that you will be pleased with the high-siera update as it will 
include ato language switching. The feature is not complete yet, but I believe 
it will grow more mature as betas keep coming.

There is a work around to have acapela infovox voices switch between two 
languages, but this TTS is not free.

Best regards.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Yefetov
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 3:44 PM
To: MacVisionaries  >
Subject: Combining Languages in Mac OS

 

Dear MacVisionaries,

 

I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and Russian), 
and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, I'm struggling 
with a problem. When I try to work with any document containing two or more 
languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer automatically between 
them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read English with English voice and 
Russian with Russian one without having to switch them manually. Instead it 
tries to pronounce everything in language set as a default and just skips the 
words if the alphabet is different (Cyrillic). 

 

Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language I 
cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as they 
are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have any 
solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different languages?

 

My next stage of learning is going to be Arabic and Mandarin, and I can hardly 
imagine how I could get thru. Would highly appreciate any input!

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Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[E.T.]

   Then they must be on your phone. Are you looking for them in Contacts?

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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 9:21 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Yes, they are in my tones folder.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Verified that the ringtones are actually in the Tones folder inside your 
iTunes library? Have you tried doing the opposite and desyncing the ringtones 
then going through the syncing process again?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Tim,
the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, select the 
Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all Ring-tones, and 
final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac should then make there 
way over to the iPhone.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

Hi all.
I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. I 
would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.

Scott

On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree here.
But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
Its pritty easy.
/A

2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Files Pro by Aloive Toast


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Re: Combining Languages in Mac OS

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What is the workaround?
I would like to be able to use acapela changing languages on the fly?/A
> 3 juli 2017 kl. 16:12 skrev Ikrami :
> 
> I can tell you that you will be pleased with the high-siera update as it will 
> include ato language switching. The feature is not complete yet, but I 
> believe it will grow more mature as betas keep coming.
> There is a work around to have acapela infovox voices switch between two 
> languages, but this TTS is not free.
> Best regards.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Yefetov
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 3:44 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Combining Languages in Mac OS
>  
> Dear MacVisionaries,
>  
> I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and Russian), 
> and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, I'm 
> struggling with a problem. When I try to work with any document containing 
> two or more languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer 
> automatically between them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read English 
> with English voice and Russian with Russian one without having to switch them 
> manually. Instead it tries to pronounce everything in language set as a 
> default and just skips the words if the alphabet is different (Cyrillic).
>  
> Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language I 
> cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as 
> they are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have 
> any solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different languages?
>  
> My next stage of learning is going to be Arabic and Mandarin, and I can 
> hardly imagine how I could get thru. Would highly appreciate any input!
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Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[Stacey Robinson]

Yes, they are in my tones folder.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Verified that the ringtones are actually in the Tones folder inside your 
> iTunes library? Have you tried doing the opposite and desyncing the ringtones 
> then going through the syncing process again?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> 
> On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Tim,
>> the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, select 
>>> the Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all 
>>> Ring-tones, and final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac 
>>> should then make there way over to the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
>>> I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. 
>>> I would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
>>> Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?
>>> 
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
 
 Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
 iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
 whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.
 
 Scott
 
 On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree here.
> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
> Its pritty easy.
> /A
>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
>> song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
>> you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[Stacey Robinson]

No,
I haven’t tried that.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Verified that the ringtones are actually in the Tones folder inside your 
> iTunes library? Have you tried doing the opposite and desyncing the ringtones 
> then going through the syncing process again?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Tim,
>> the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, select 
>>> the Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all 
>>> Ring-tones, and final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac 
>>> should then make there way over to the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
>>> I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. 
>>> I would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
>>> Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?
>>> 
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
 
 Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
 iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
 whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.
 
 Scott
 
 On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree here.
> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
> Its pritty easy.
> /A
>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
>> song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
>> you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
>> 
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Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[E.T.]

   Verified that the ringtones are actually in the Tones folder inside 
your iTunes library? Have you tried doing the opposite and desyncing the 
ringtones then going through the syncing process again?


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Tim,
the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, select the 
Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all Ring-tones, and 
final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac should then make there 
way over to the iPhone.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

Hi all.
I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. I 
would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.

Scott

On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree here.
But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
Its pritty easy.
/A

2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Files Pro by Aloive Toast


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Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[Stacey Robinson]

Tim,
the ringtones have been synced but they aren’t on my phone.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, select 
> the Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all 
> Ring-tones, and final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac 
> should then make there way over to the iPhone.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
> I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. I 
> would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
> Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
>> iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
>> whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes i totally agree here.
>>> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
>>> Its pritty easy.
>>> /A
 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
 hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
 song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
 you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Ramy,
 Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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 On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
 
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Jessica Moss]

Have you tried PCloud?  You get a lot more space with them.
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:59 AM, Michelle's Home Emails 
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> Hi friends 
> 
> Michelle Stevens here, 
> 
> Drop box is the way to go. I must sit down and learn iTunes on my mac and 
> prone. 
> 
> Michelle 
> 
> 
> Sent from Michelle's  iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 10:11 am, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you used a service called evermusic?  It lets you stream all your 
>> normal services like dropbox, Pcloud, etc., and is verry easy to use.  You 
>> just tell it what account you want linked, sign in to your account, drag and 
>> drop the files you want to the folders on your computer, and there you go.
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> I have some songs that i need to move to my iPhone from my Mac mini, i 
>>> don’t want to use I tunes, I tried using the airdrop but My Iphone asks me 
>>> where to put the songs, i choose the app that am using which called Files 
>>> Pro by Aloive Toast Software LTD, it’s very accessible,  but when i select 
>>> this, i can not find the files that i sent over airdrop,
>>> do you have any other suggestions of how to move some songs from my Mac to 
>>> My Iphone?
>>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: A very basic question, concerning the save as dialogue

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It depends on the view that you are in.  If you're in List view, either expand 
the disclosure triangle for the given folder or double-click on the folder to 
open it.  Since the folder is then either open or has focus, items you save 
should be saved within that folder.  If you're in Column view, then arrow to 
bring focus within the folders tree, and then press the Save button.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:58, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:

Sorry if my question will disturb anyone because this is a very very starting 
topic, but i need to understand.
i need to save any file as, inside text edit, pages, or anything, i can find 
the comp box to select from my Hd, downloads, documents etc, but if i need 
let’s say to choose the document folder, and i need to put my file inside a sub 
folder, how can i select it from the save as dialogue? i tried but with no luck,

Thanks in advance 

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Re: Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You should be able to connect your iPhone, select it within iTunes, select the 
Ring-tones item from the table, then check the box to Sync all Ring-tones, and 
final press Apply or Sync..  All Ring-tones on your Mac should then make there 
way over to the iPhone.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 3, 2017, at 07:16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

Hi all.
I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. I 
would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
> iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
> whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Yes i totally agree here.
>> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
>> Its pritty easy.
>> /A
>>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
>>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
>>> song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
>>> you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ramy,
>>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

Maybe on Windows it's crap, but it's perfectly fine on the Mac.  Sure, they've 
made some changes to the look and feel, but it hasn't affected accessibility.  
Annoyed some folks, both sighted and non, but that's normal when things change.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 3, 2017, at 00:33, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah Tim, but having like most of us used itunes for years I can say without a 
doubt the later versions of itunes is crap especially if your usig itunes on a 
windows platform.

It's become very very difficult to use and I'd use something else if I could.

Mind you as I said I use itunes on my windows machine more than the mac side as 
I've got my itunes library in a couple of windows servers 

But once I get my mac server up and running this may well change.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 3:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous hoops 
to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song transfer 
when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll cause 
yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
 Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all the 
challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say God did 
it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Files Pro by Aloive Toast

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RE: Combining Languages in Mac OS

[Ikrami]

I can tell you that you will be pleased with the high-siera update as it will 
include ato language switching. The feature is not complete yet, but I believe 
it will grow more mature as betas keep coming.

There is a work around to have acapela infovox voices switch between two 
languages, but this TTS is not free.

Best regards.

 

 

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Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 3:44 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Combining Languages in Mac OS

 

Dear MacVisionaries,

 

I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and Russian), 
and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, I'm struggling 
with a problem. When I try to work with any document containing two or more 
languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer automatically between 
them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read English with English voice and 
Russian with Russian one without having to switch them manually. Instead it 
tries to pronounce everything in language set as a default and just skips the 
words if the alphabet is different (Cyrillic). 

 

Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language I 
cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as they 
are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have any 
solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different languages?

 

My next stage of learning is going to be Arabic and Mandarin, and I can hardly 
imagine how I could get thru. Would highly appreciate any input!

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Re: Combining Languages in Mac OS

[Alex Hall]

I believe you can add synthesizers to VoiceOver in the VO Utility. Then, use 
vo-cmd-arrows to find the "voice" option, and go to the synth you need at the 
time.

The good news is that automatic language switching is rumored to be part of the 
next major macOS ugrade, coming this fall.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 08:44, Alex Yefetov  wrote:
> 
> Dear MacVisionaries,
> 
> 
> 
> I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and Russian), 
> and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, I'm 
> struggling with a problem. When I try to work with any document containing 
> two or more languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer 
> automatically between them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read English 
> with English voice and Russian with Russian one without having to switch them 
> manually. Instead it tries to pronounce everything in language set as a 
> default and just skips the words if the alphabet is different (Cyrillic).
> 
> 
> 
> Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language I 
> cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as 
> they are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have 
> any solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different languages?
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A very basic question, concerning the save as dialogue

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

Sorry if my question will disturb anyone because this is a very very starting 
topic, but i need to understand.
i need to save any file as, inside text edit, pages, or anything, i can find 
the comp box to select from my Hd, downloads, documents etc, but if i need 
let’s say to choose the document folder, and i need to put my file inside a sub 
folder, how can i select it from the save as dialogue? i tried but with no luck,

Thanks in advance 

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Re: High Sierra Beta

[E.T.]

   Yup but I have not found it.

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On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

yup.
In the installer.
You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
upgrade by default.

On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:

I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
that one can switch to APFS after the fact.

Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
login screen.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.



On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled



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Subject: High Sierra Beta

   Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using
the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to
be formatted with Mac extended journaled?

   Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old
hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to
the login screen. Did I miss something?

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Re: High Sierra Beta

[Oriol Gómez]

yup.
In the installer.
You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
upgrade by default.

On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
> I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
> site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
> that one can switch to APFS after the fact.
>
> Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
> login screen.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 11:22 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: High Sierra Beta
>>>
>>>Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using
>>> the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to
>>> be formatted with Mac extended journaled?
>>>
>>>Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old
>>> hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to
>>> the login screen. Did I miss something?
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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Re: High Sierra Beta

[E.T.]

   I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One 
site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated 
that one can switch to APFS after the fact.


   Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the 
login screen.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.



On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled



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Subject: High Sierra Beta

   Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using the old 
hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to be formatted 
with Mac extended journaled?

   Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old hard 
drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to the login 
screen. Did I miss something?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Need help with Syncing ringtones.

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all.
I  need some help getting my ringtones on to my phone.
I tried syncing my phone with my computer and it deleted some of my tones. I 
would like to have all of the tones on my mac back on my iPhone.
Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to do this?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
> iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
> whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Yes i totally agree here.
>> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
>> Its pritty easy.
>> /A
>>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
>>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
>>> song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
>>> you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ramy,
>>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>>> 
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>>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: ios 11 beta

[Jenine Stanley]

Regardless of beta software on the Watch, I’ve had times when the Ping feature 
didn’t work. Simply turning off and back on at the phone end, once I found said 
phone that is, restored it. 

As for how to get the Watch beta for watchOS4, that I haven’t done yet, still 
running the betas for watch OS3, 3.2.3 Beta 4 to be exact.

Not sure how productive it will be to run watchOS4 on this original model as 
it’s slowing significantly at app opening. I’ll be curious to see if they 
introduce a new Watch this fall.
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:27 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janine,
>  
> Thanks for that,
> Yeah I reset my watch lastnight and as I’m not a dev I assume the watch os is 
> the production os and yes after the reset I can now again ping my phone from 
> my watch,
>  
> And to add to this for those watch owners with apple earPods
>  
> Merry xmas  I had my watch talking to me automatically through my earPods 
> when I took them out of the case and put them in my ears they picked up my 
> watch before they picked up the phone
>  
> The watchs VO volume was pretty quiet so I’ll have to play around with it 
> tonight.
>  
> But now the pods connect with out issue to the watch.
>  
> .
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>  
> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
> running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
> though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so 
> wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
> that the
> ping your phone 
> feature of the watch 
> isnt’ working currently?
>  
>  
> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta
> Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Scott Davert]

I think what's happening with the 4-finger swype is that the phone is
doing a springboard reset for some reason. Too bad, as I just now have
the ability to set up custom commands in braille to actually utilize
this feature. Oh well, I've reported this one along with all of the
others I wrote about before to Apple. Hopefully others are also filing
reports. (smiles).

Scott

On 7/3/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>> 4-finger swipe left/right to switch apps and 3D touch on left edge for app
>> switcher don’t seem to work in iOS 11 beta.
>> The return to last app and phone call buttons, as well as double-press
>> HOME button for app switcher still work.
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:24 AM Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> I know, your android devices will tell you when you hit the home button.
>>> It's just slower. I have two of them, and it's definitely slower.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Saqib Hussain 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi. I can’t see it as a problem as my Android devices don’t have a home
>>> > button and Talkback will tell you when your finger is on the home
>>> > button.
>>> >> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away
>>> >> in ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because
>>> >> I use that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware
>>> >> that the home button is apparently going away completely in terms of a
>>> >> physical feelable button on the next phone. So it will be interesting
>>> >> how Apple makes that easily findable with VO.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mary,
>>> >>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail
>>> >>> button in the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app
>>> >>> is concerned, we have an app switcher for that.
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Scott Davert]

Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.

Scott

On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree here.
> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
> Its pritty easy.
> /A
>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
>> song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
>> you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> Ramy,
>>  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>>
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>>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Combining Languages in Mac OS

[Alex Yefetov]

 

Dear MacVisionaries,


I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and 
Russian), and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, 
I'm struggling with a problem. When I try to work with any document 
containing two or more languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer 
automatically between them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read 
English with English voice and Russian with Russian one without having to 
switch them manually. Instead it tries to pronounce everything in language 
set as a default and just skips the words if the alphabet is different 
(Cyrillic). 


Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language 
I cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as 
they are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have 
any solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different 
languages?


My next stage of learning is going to be Arabic and Mandarin, and I can 
hardly imagine how I could get thru. Would highly appreciate any input!

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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes i totally agree here.
But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
Its pritty easy.
/A
> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous 
> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song 
> transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll 
> cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
>  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Daniel Miller]

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> 4-finger swipe left/right to switch apps and 3D touch on left edge for app 
> switcher don’t seem to work in iOS 11 beta.
> The return to last app and phone call buttons, as well as double-press HOME 
> button for app switcher still work.
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:24 AM Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I know, your android devices will tell you when you hit the home button. 
>> It's just slower. I have two of them, and it's definitely slower.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi. I can’t see it as a problem as my Android devices don’t have a home 
>> > button and Talkback will tell you when your finger is on the home button.
>> >> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in 
>> >> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use 
>> >> that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the 
>> >> home button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical 
>> >> feelable button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple 
>> >> makes that easily findable with VO.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Mary,
>> >>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button 
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Re: High Sierra Beta

[Scott Granados]

Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.


> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled 
> 
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>Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using the 
> old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to be 
> formatted with Mac extended journaled?
> 
>Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old 
> hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to the 
> login screen. Did I miss something?
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Oriol Gómez]

They will fix it guys, don't worry, of course bugs happen.
Report it to Apple. I can't do it because I don't have the beta installed.
Can someone report as well the bug on the appstore if you already have
an app urchased you can't click the download button, only obtain, and
can't donwload purchased aps from the purchase button inside the
account section which is unlabelled

thanks

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> something. That is the onl way. Hope this helps. I hve not try it but
> someone told me that is the only way now guys! Hope this helps. I look
> forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
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> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3
>
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> You gotta be kidding me?
>>
>> I assume this is something of a bug and they’re working on it?
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:44 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t
>> possible.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty 
>> wrote:
>> Morning macsters,
>>
>>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin
>> the IOS 11 beta?
>>
>> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been
>> able to find the delete option
>> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
>>
>> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Simon Fthen
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>>
>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>> >
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
>> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>>  not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>>  going to install them?
>> 
>>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
>>  that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>> 
>>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
>> > 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of
>> > “Arrange Apps”
>> > it
>> > will say “Edit Mode”.
>> >
>> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
>> > Drop where it used to say Move App.
>> >
>> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a
>> > second.
>> > Treat
>> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
>> > you want or location, flick down and you will see 

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Simon. How are you? The way to dlete iit is by goign to settings, general 
and I cloud storage. Or I think you need to go to iPhone storage or something. 
That is the onl way. Hope this helps. I hve not try it but someone told me that 
is the only way now guys! Hope this helps. I look forward in hearing from you 
soon. Thanks and God bless!

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> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> You gotta be kidding me?
>  
> I assume this is something of a bug and they’re working on it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>  
> Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.
>  
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Morning macsters,
> 
>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
> IOS 11 beta?
> 
> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
> to find the delete option
> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
> 
> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Simon Fthen
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
> 
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>  not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>  going to install them?
> 
>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
>  that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> > 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
> > “Arrange Apps”
> > it
> > will say “Edit Mode”.
> >
> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> > Drop where it used to say Move App.
> >
> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> > Treat
> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
> > you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
> > drop the item into that folder.
> >
> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> > I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
> > flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
> > moving.
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >> How do one drag and drop?
> >> And where did you find about that feature?
> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted 

RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

You gotta be kidding me?

I assume this is something of a bug and they’re working on it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Morning macsters,

 Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
IOS 11 beta?

I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
to find the delete option
or even get it to work with the current delete app function.

Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?

Cheers

Simon Fthen


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber 
> > wrote:
>
> This is broken… just saw this thread.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> downloading apps is broken.
>>
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley 
>> > wrote:
>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
>>> might be a good reason to try it.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
 > wrote:

 When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
 not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
 going to install them?

 Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
 that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.

 On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley 
 > wrote:
> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
> “Arrange Apps”
> it
> will say “Edit Mode”.
>
> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> Drop where it used to say Move App.
>
> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> Treat
> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
> you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
> drop the item into that folder.
>
> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
> moving.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> How do one drag and drop?
>> And where did you find about that feature?
>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> /A
>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>> >:
>>>
>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
>>> operate differently.
>>>
>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
>>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then
>>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use
>>> that gesture all the time.
>>> Yes,
>>> reporting this.
>>>
>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
>>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left.
>>> The Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how
>>> to get Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental
>>> hand off occurs.
>>>
>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
>>> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>
>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
>>> to go into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice
>>> Dream Reader though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>
>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
>>> didn’t realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to
>>> drag and drop but once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>
>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. 

RE: High Sierra Beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled 

  

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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 11:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: High Sierra Beta

Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using the 
old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to be 
formatted with Mac extended journaled?

Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the old hard 
drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me back to the login 
screen. Did I miss something?

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RE: High Sierra Beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

Is the file a DMG image or is it the .app file?

If a DMG  then you will need to extract the .app installation file.

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Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 5:12 AM
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Subject: High Sierra Beta

What is the secret for creating a bootable installer for the beta? I run 
the code in Terminal and get an error message saying this app does not appear 
to be a valid installer.

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RE: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah Tim, but having like most of us used itunes for years I can say without a 
doubt the later versions of itunes is crap especially if your usig itunes on a 
windows platform.

It's become very very difficult to use and I'd use something else if I could.

 Mind you as I said I use itunes on my windows machine more than the mac side 
as I've got my itunes library in a couple of windows servers 

But once I get my mac server up and running this may well change.

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Subject: Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous hoops 
to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song transfer 
when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll cause 
yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

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On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Files Pro by Aloive Toast

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RE: ios 11 beta

[Simon Fogarty]

I could be wrong but I think Janine might be a woman, just possibly!

But yeah baby toys is the only way to roll.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 2:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

That’s Chick to you, Sir. *grin*
On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:29 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> wrote:

Girls and their toys.  LOL.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: July 2, 2017 7:13 AM
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Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me that 
the
ping your phone
feature of the watch
isnt’ working currently?


Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta
Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.

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RE: ios 11 beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janine,

Thanks for that,
Yeah I reset my watch lastnight and as I’m not a dev I assume the watch os is 
the production os and yes after the reset I can now again ping my phone from my 
watch,

And to add to this for those watch owners with apple earPods

Merry xmas  I had my watch talking to me automatically through my earPods when 
I took them out of the case and put them in my ears they picked up my watch 
before they picked up the phone

The watchs VO volume was pretty quiet so I’ll have to play around with it 
tonight.

But now the pods connect with out issue to the watch.

.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 2:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me that 
the
ping your phone
feature of the watch
isnt’ working currently?


Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta
Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.

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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi friends 

Michelle Stevens here, 

Drop box is the way to go. I must sit down and learn iTunes on my mac and 
prone. 

Michelle 


Sent from Michelle's  iPhone

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 10:11 am, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Have you used a service called evermusic?  It lets you stream all your normal 
> services like dropbox, Pcloud, etc., and is verry easy to use.  You just tell 
> it what account you want linked, sign in to your account, drag and drop the 
> files you want to the folders on your computer, and there you go.
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> I have some songs that i need to move to my iPhone from my Mac mini, i don’t 
>> want to use I tunes, I tried using the airdrop but My Iphone asks me where 
>> to put the songs, i choose the app that am using which called Files Pro by 
>> Aloive Toast Software LTD, it’s very accessible,  but when i select this, i 
>> can not find the files that i sent over airdrop,
>> do you have any other suggestions of how to move some songs from my Mac to 
>> My Iphone?
>> Thanks in advance 
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