Re: bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I don't know on either of your questions--sorry. I guess Google needs to
be your friend on these issues.

I do have a thought ...

You might want to consider a newer Mac, just not a new one. Price should
be much less. You could look at the Macs that support running Win 10 and
look for refurbished, or owner sold models on that list.

If possible, I'd try to stay above the models that support installing
directly from an iso image on the Mac drive, as opposed to requiring you
to create a bootable USB stick. That's got to be much much faster. My
Airbook is too old for that.

There might be two benefits to a used Mac that you would lose with a new
Mac:

1.) Physical function keys, instead of the touchbar. Your choice on
whether that matters to you.

2.) The audible chime on boot has apparently disappeared on newer
Macs. If you're dual booting, working without the chime could be really 
frustrating, imo.


For my money the above two considerations make a slightly used Airbook a
smarter buy, assuming it's in good condition and its former owner wasn't
a smoker.

hth

Janina

The wolf writes:
> how anoying I will give this command and see if that fixes evertything
> 
> a quick question once I got windows7 loaded even though the mac doesn't
> support windows10 is there a way or hack to get it to run?
> 
> also am not sure if u can help but would you happen to know if any good
> places to get ram for the older macbooks?
> it has 2 gigs it is seriously slow and want to at least upgrade it to 4 gigs
> for now and then when I get more money saved up go to 8 gigs
> thanks
> Hank
> 
> On 1/9/2018 9:50 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > I can tell you I've spent the last month struggling with BootCamp. It's
> > very fussy, but also brittle, in my experience, i.e. the Windows
> > installation process will frequently break, but then eventually succeed.
> > Go figure.
> > 
> > 
> > Relevant to your situation I can attest that BootCamp is fussy about
> > using the tail end of your OS X container. I actually tried to get fancy
> > and put in a Win partition mid disk, then assign the remainder for ExFAT
> > so that it could contain files to share with both OS. Well, BootCamp
> > refused to cooperate with that.
> > 
> > The only situation that successfully created the BootCamp partitionand
> > launched the Windows install was having the entire disk, all the way to
> > the edge, assigned to OS X. Even free space, uunpartitioned and
> > unformatted wasn't acceptable.
> > 
> > diskutil from the command line is your friend on this task, imo. Note in
> > the page I pointed you to that a size of 0 means "fill the whole disk."
> > You want to see the entire container assigned to the Mac before running
> > BootCamp.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > The wolf writes:
> > > Hello will give this a look at
> > > 
> > > I wish it would tell me what the error is so I can try to google it
> > > is this a known issue? I have'nt touched any of the mac partitions so it
> > > shouldn't be doing this.
> > > thanks
> > > Hank
> > > 
> > > On 1/9/2018 8:51 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > First Aid should be in the Toolbar of Disk Utility. At least that's
> > > > where it is on my 2014 vintage Airbook running High Sierra.
> > > > 
> > > > Note there are even more options available from the Terminal command
> > > > line, though with far less Voice Over functionality.
> > > > 
> > > > If possible ssh in for better screen reader support. I ssh to my Mac
> > > > from a Linux shell.
> > > > 
> > > > The reason is to run diskutil, which is a command line tool that does
> > > > far more than the graphical Disk Utility.
> > > > 
> > > > The man page for diskutil is essential, but a challenge to comprehend.
> > > > Here's a good web page to get you started:
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.MacObserver.com/tips/deep-dive/resize-your-apfs-container/
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Note also that it's possible to install Windows without using BootCamp,
> > > > but it's not an accessible process. You'll need sighted assistance.
> > > > Here's a page on that process which should be the same, even though
> > > > you're not installing Win 10. It also helps explain what's going on
> > > > under the BootCamp hood
> > > > 
> > > > http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/
> > > > 
> > > > hth
> > > > 
> > > > Janina
> > > > 
> > > > The wolf writes:
> > > > > Hello yes I have it and when I selected it I couldn't find a repair 
> > > > > button
> > > > > 
> > > > > please bare with me I haven't used a mac in about 3 to 4 years so am 
> > > > > trying
> > > > > to refresh my memory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hank
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 1/9/2018 4:18 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > Isn’t there a first aid in disk utility?
> > > > > > You have to select the disk first and then find the first aid 
> > > > > > button.

Re: bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

[The wolf]

how anoying I will give this command and see if that fixes evertything

a quick question once I got windows7 loaded even though the mac doesn't 
support windows10 is there a way or hack to get it to run?


also am not sure if u can help but would you happen to know if any good 
places to get ram for the older macbooks?
it has 2 gigs it is seriously slow and want to at least upgrade it to 4 
gigs for now and then when I get more money saved up go to 8 gigs

thanks
Hank

On 1/9/2018 9:50 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I can tell you I've spent the last month struggling with BootCamp. It's
very fussy, but also brittle, in my experience, i.e. the Windows
installation process will frequently break, but then eventually succeed.
Go figure.


Relevant to your situation I can attest that BootCamp is fussy about
using the tail end of your OS X container. I actually tried to get fancy
and put in a Win partition mid disk, then assign the remainder for ExFAT
so that it could contain files to share with both OS. Well, BootCamp
refused to cooperate with that.

The only situation that successfully created the BootCamp partitionand
launched the Windows install was having the entire disk, all the way to
the edge, assigned to OS X. Even free space, uunpartitioned and
unformatted wasn't acceptable.

diskutil from the command line is your friend on this task, imo. Note in
the page I pointed you to that a size of 0 means "fill the whole disk."
You want to see the entire container assigned to the Mac before running
BootCamp.

Good luck!

Janina

The wolf writes:

Hello will give this a look at

I wish it would tell me what the error is so I can try to google it
is this a known issue? I have'nt touched any of the mac partitions so it
shouldn't be doing this.
thanks
Hank

On 1/9/2018 8:51 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

First Aid should be in the Toolbar of Disk Utility. At least that's
where it is on my 2014 vintage Airbook running High Sierra.

Note there are even more options available from the Terminal command
line, though with far less Voice Over functionality.

If possible ssh in for better screen reader support. I ssh to my Mac
from a Linux shell.

The reason is to run diskutil, which is a command line tool that does
far more than the graphical Disk Utility.

The man page for diskutil is essential, but a challenge to comprehend.
Here's a good web page to get you started:

https://www.MacObserver.com/tips/deep-dive/resize-your-apfs-container/


Note also that it's possible to install Windows without using BootCamp,
but it's not an accessible process. You'll need sighted assistance.
Here's a page on that process which should be the same, even though
you're not installing Win 10. It also helps explain what's going on
under the BootCamp hood

http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/

hth

Janina

The wolf writes:

Hello yes I have it and when I selected it I couldn't find a repair button

please bare with me I haven't used a mac in about 3 to 4 years so am trying
to refresh my memory.

thanks

Hank



On 1/9/2018 4:18 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Isn’t there a first aid in disk utility?
You have to select the disk first and then find the first aid button.
Or is this not working.
Then something seems broken.
/A


9 jan. 2018 kl. 23:00 skrev The wolf :

Hello I am back in the mac world I got a macbook that is a 2009 or later 
addission the mac was orriginally purchased in 2012

it will not support windows10 but it will support windows7

it has 2 gigs of ram it will be slow running windows but will be upgrading the 
ram soon\

when ever I try to partition boot camp it says partition error it gives me no 
info on what the error message it it says to try running disk repair there is 
no disk repair choice in disk utility

I looked both at disk utility when booted in to osx and I also tried looking in 
disk utility under recovery no repair choice

I am running the latest osx high sierra can any one help me out here? I wish I 
could run windows10 but it says that it isn't supported so am stuck running 
windows7

unless any one knows of a work around?

thanks

Hank



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Re: bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I can tell you I've spent the last month struggling with BootCamp. It's
very fussy, but also brittle, in my experience, i.e. the Windows
installation process will frequently break, but then eventually succeed.
Go figure.


Relevant to your situation I can attest that BootCamp is fussy about
using the tail end of your OS X container. I actually tried to get fancy
and put in a Win partition mid disk, then assign the remainder for ExFAT
so that it could contain files to share with both OS. Well, BootCamp
refused to cooperate with that.

The only situation that successfully created the BootCamp partitionand
launched the Windows install was having the entire disk, all the way to
the edge, assigned to OS X. Even free space, uunpartitioned and
unformatted wasn't acceptable.

diskutil from the command line is your friend on this task, imo. Note in
the page I pointed you to that a size of 0 means "fill the whole disk."
You want to see the entire container assigned to the Mac before running
BootCamp.

Good luck!

Janina

The wolf writes:
> Hello will give this a look at
> 
> I wish it would tell me what the error is so I can try to google it
> is this a known issue? I have'nt touched any of the mac partitions so it
> shouldn't be doing this.
> thanks
> Hank
> 
> On 1/9/2018 8:51 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > First Aid should be in the Toolbar of Disk Utility. At least that's
> > where it is on my 2014 vintage Airbook running High Sierra.
> > 
> > Note there are even more options available from the Terminal command
> > line, though with far less Voice Over functionality.
> > 
> > If possible ssh in for better screen reader support. I ssh to my Mac
> > from a Linux shell.
> > 
> > The reason is to run diskutil, which is a command line tool that does
> > far more than the graphical Disk Utility.
> > 
> > The man page for diskutil is essential, but a challenge to comprehend.
> > Here's a good web page to get you started:
> > 
> > https://www.MacObserver.com/tips/deep-dive/resize-your-apfs-container/
> > 
> > 
> > Note also that it's possible to install Windows without using BootCamp,
> > but it's not an accessible process. You'll need sighted assistance.
> > Here's a page on that process which should be the same, even though
> > you're not installing Win 10. It also helps explain what's going on
> > under the BootCamp hood
> > 
> > http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/
> > 
> > hth
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > The wolf writes:
> > > Hello yes I have it and when I selected it I couldn't find a repair button
> > > 
> > > please bare with me I haven't used a mac in about 3 to 4 years so am 
> > > trying
> > > to refresh my memory.
> > > 
> > > thanks
> > > 
> > > Hank
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 1/9/2018 4:18 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > > Isn’t there a first aid in disk utility?
> > > > You have to select the disk first and then find the first aid button.
> > > > Or is this not working.
> > > > Then something seems broken.
> > > > /A
> > > > 
> > > > > 9 jan. 2018 kl. 23:00 skrev The wolf :
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello I am back in the mac world I got a macbook that is a 2009 or 
> > > > > later addission the mac was orriginally purchased in 2012
> > > > > 
> > > > > it will not support windows10 but it will support windows7
> > > > > 
> > > > > it has 2 gigs of ram it will be slow running windows but will be 
> > > > > upgrading the ram soon\
> > > > > 
> > > > > when ever I try to partition boot camp it says partition error it 
> > > > > gives me no info on what the error message it it says to try running 
> > > > > disk repair there is no disk repair choice in disk utility
> > > > > 
> > > > > I looked both at disk utility when booted in to osx and I also tried 
> > > > > looking in disk utility under recovery no repair choice
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am running the latest osx high sierra can any one help me out here? 
> > > > > I wish I could run windows10 but it says that it isn't supported so 
> > > > > am stuck running windows7
> > > > > 
> > > > > unless any one knows of a work around?
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hank
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
Windows 10 from within VMware.

I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.

What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.

So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?

All help much appreciated.

Janina


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Re: bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

[The wolf]

Hello will give this a look at

I wish it would tell me what the error is so I can try to google it
is this a known issue? I have'nt touched any of the mac partitions so it 
shouldn't be doing this.

thanks
Hank

On 1/9/2018 8:51 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

First Aid should be in the Toolbar of Disk Utility. At least that's
where it is on my 2014 vintage Airbook running High Sierra.

Note there are even more options available from the Terminal command
line, though with far less Voice Over functionality.

If possible ssh in for better screen reader support. I ssh to my Mac
from a Linux shell.

The reason is to run diskutil, which is a command line tool that does
far more than the graphical Disk Utility.

The man page for diskutil is essential, but a challenge to comprehend.
Here's a good web page to get you started:

https://www.MacObserver.com/tips/deep-dive/resize-your-apfs-container/


Note also that it's possible to install Windows without using BootCamp,
but it's not an accessible process. You'll need sighted assistance.
Here's a page on that process which should be the same, even though
you're not installing Win 10. It also helps explain what's going on
under the BootCamp hood

http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/

hth

Janina

The wolf writes:

Hello yes I have it and when I selected it I couldn't find a repair button

please bare with me I haven't used a mac in about 3 to 4 years so am trying
to refresh my memory.

thanks

Hank



On 1/9/2018 4:18 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Isn’t there a first aid in disk utility?
You have to select the disk first and then find the first aid button.
Or is this not working.
Then something seems broken.
/A


9 jan. 2018 kl. 23:00 skrev The wolf :

Hello I am back in the mac world I got a macbook that is a 2009 or later 
addission the mac was orriginally purchased in 2012

it will not support windows10 but it will support windows7

it has 2 gigs of ram it will be slow running windows but will be upgrading the 
ram soon\

when ever I try to partition boot camp it says partition error it gives me no 
info on what the error message it it says to try running disk repair there is 
no disk repair choice in disk utility

I looked both at disk utility when booted in to osx and I also tried looking in 
disk utility under recovery no repair choice

I am running the latest osx high sierra can any one help me out here? I wish I 
could run windows10 but it says that it isn't supported so am stuck running 
windows7

unless any one knows of a work around?

thanks

Hank



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Re: bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

First Aid should be in the Toolbar of Disk Utility. At least that's
where it is on my 2014 vintage Airbook running High Sierra.

Note there are even more options available from the Terminal command
line, though with far less Voice Over functionality.

If possible ssh in for better screen reader support. I ssh to my Mac
from a Linux shell.

The reason is to run diskutil, which is a command line tool that does
far more than the graphical Disk Utility.

The man page for diskutil is essential, but a challenge to comprehend.
Here's a good web page to get you started:

https://www.MacObserver.com/tips/deep-dive/resize-your-apfs-container/


Note also that it's possible to install Windows without using BootCamp,
but it's not an accessible process. You'll need sighted assistance.
Here's a page on that process which should be the same, even though
you're not installing Win 10. It also helps explain what's going on
under the BootCamp hood

http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/

hth

Janina

The wolf writes:
> Hello yes I have it and when I selected it I couldn't find a repair button
> 
> please bare with me I haven't used a mac in about 3 to 4 years so am trying
> to refresh my memory.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/9/2018 4:18 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> > Hi!
> > Isn’t there a first aid in disk utility?
> > You have to select the disk first and then find the first aid button.
> > Or is this not working.
> > Then something seems broken.
> > /A
> > 
> > > 9 jan. 2018 kl. 23:00 skrev The wolf :
> > > 
> > > Hello I am back in the mac world I got a macbook that is a 2009 or later 
> > > addission the mac was orriginally purchased in 2012
> > > 
> > > it will not support windows10 but it will support windows7
> > > 
> > > it has 2 gigs of ram it will be slow running windows but will be 
> > > upgrading the ram soon\
> > > 
> > > when ever I try to partition boot camp it says partition error it gives 
> > > me no info on what the error message it it says to try running disk 
> > > repair there is no disk repair choice in disk utility
> > > 
> > > I looked both at disk utility when booted in to osx and I also tried 
> > > looking in disk utility under recovery no repair choice
> > > 
> > > I am running the latest osx high sierra can any one help me out here? I 
> > > wish I could run windows10 but it says that it isn't supported so am 
> > > stuck running windows7
> > > 
> > > unless any one knows of a work around?
> > > 
> > > thanks
> > > 
> > > Hank
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

[M. Taylor]

How To Check If Your iPhone Is Brand New Or Refurbished Model
Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit,
or a refurbished model. 

There's no additional installations or software required to obtain this
information.
Most of us have likely been in the situation whereby we have purchased a
device through a secondary sales channel and then subsequently wondered if
we are actually getting what we have been told.
 
Where Apple's iPhone is concerned, we could be purchasing a brand new device
or a refurbished model. That makes all the difference and affects what we
are willing to pay for a phone. With this little trick, you will be able to
quickly ascertain the type of device on offer. Let's take a look at the
process.

Step 1:
First of all, you are going to need to have the device charged, powered up,
and ready-to-use. Once that's all done, launch the native Settings app.

Step 2:
There's no additional third-party apps or software required for this. Once
in Settings, navigate to General > About. This is where a lot of relevant
information about your device is located.

Step 3:
Scroll down through all of the provided information until you find the label
which gives you the device's "Model" number. This will give you a unique
number pertaining to that device which either begins with "M", "F", or "N",
and then followed by a series of letters and numbers.

Step 4:
If your Model number starts with the letter "M", then it is a brand new
device. If the Model number begins with the letter "F" then it is a
refurbished device. And if your Model number starts with a letter "N" then
it is a replacement device.
M = Brand new device
F = Refurbished device
N = Replacement device.
 
Extremely quick and easy and a sure fire way to tell what type of device you
are currently in ownership of. If you are planning on buying something
through secondary sales channels, and you are presented with the opportunity
to take a look at the Model number, or you can get an unedited screenshot
from the seller, then it's a really good and quick way of ascertaining if
that person is being honest about the type of device that is being sold.

You may also like to check out:
.   List: iOS 10.3.3 Jailbreak Tweaks Compatibility For 64-Bit Devices
.   iOS 11.2.2 Release Notes, Changelog And Security Content: Here's
What Has Changed
.   Download iOS 11.2.2 IPSW Links And OTA For iPhone, iPad, iPod touch
.   Jailbreak iOS 11.2.2 / 11.2.1 / 11.2.5 On iPhone And iPad [Status
Update]
.   Jailbreak iOS 11 / 11.1.2 On iPhone X, 8, 7, iPad Using LiberiOS
[Updated]
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Best adult apps for iPhone, VR-Heads

[M. Taylor]

Everyone,

Just so we're all clear, in no way am I endorsing, promoting, applauding,
(or anything else for that matter), any of the apps discussed in the
following article.  

I am posting the article because it is iOS-related and there may be those
among us who seek this information; nothing more.

Mark

Best adult apps for iPhone
By Jen Karner

You might not know it but there are plenty of adult apps available on the
iOS store.
When it comes to adult content on mobile devices, there are a variety of
apps that you can find to enjoy. From apps that help you to try and improve
your sex life, to those that help explain exactly what all those crazy sex
toys do, there are plenty of awesome apps filled up with adult content.
While the App Store isn't overflowing with adult content, there are a fair
few apps you can find, so long as you know what you are looking for.

.   iKamaSutra
.   Pinup Poker
.   Playboy Classic
.   iPassion
.   Browser for Reddit

iKamaSutra
The Kama Sutra is well known for it's catalog of sexual positions, but you
don't need to worry about anyone stumbling on this book in your library.
Instead, you can download the app and get access to everything you're
looking for. iKamaSutra. This app includes all of the positions found within
the Kama Sutra with some extra options for you.
You can choose to look for potiions based on intimacy, complexity, and
strength, using slider scales to find positions that you are capable of
completing. There are positions from movie scenes, 9 categories for you to
peruse through, and easy to read instructions for each position. The basic
app comes with 110 positions, but with in-app purchases you can increase
this to over 230 positions. You can even shake your phone to pick a random
position, save your favorites, there are even suggestions for sweet and sexy
date ideas in there.
See at iTunes ($2.99)

Pinup Poker
Not every app on our list is explicit, even though it's definitely got
adults in mind. That's where Pinup Poker comes in. You get to play Poker
with a decent engine, all the while getting a eyeful of cards that have been
decorated with pinup models. There aren't really any bells or whistles to
this app, which is why it's available for the low, low, price of free. This
app is a great addition for anybody who enjoys poker, but wants to add some
animated eye candy to the game.
See at iTunes

Playboy Classic
Playboy has long been a staple when it comes to adult oriented
entertainment. Their app delivers you tons of content that you would have
found in the magazine a few years ago, just this time it's on the screen of
your preferred device. You can browse through photos of playmates, read
articles, and even view galleries of classic cartoons from the earlier days
of the magazine. There is roughly a ton of content crammed into this app for
you to view and explore.
Playboy Classic is subscription based, with a 30-day membership running
$2.99, or a one-year subscription for $19.99. Updated daily with new photos,
events, and articles, this may be the app you've been looking for!
See at iTunes($2.99 monthly, $19.99 yearly)

iPassion
Sometimes you want a little bit of a surprise to spice up your love life
with your sweetie. iPassion can help you do just that with a fun game built
for couples. You'll both answer a few questions about yourself, followed by
a specially built quiz. Both you and your partner will need to answer
questions about each other. Each correct answer will net you 10 points, and
the first one to hit 100 points will win a prize.
This is a fun way for you to learn more about your partner, and what get
their motor going. If you're not sure it's quite up your alley, have no
fear. This app is absolutely free for download, although there are some
in-app purchases you can take advantage of.
See at iTunes

Browser for Reddit
If you haven't spent any time on Reddit, than you might not know that it is
filled to the brim with explicit content. Pretty much anything you are
hoping to find, can be found within the depths of this mammoth website. This
app makes it easy to browse through Reddit and search out the content you've
been looking for.
This app includes a pin code so that you can ensure nobody accidentally
stumbles onto what you were looking at. You can also login to your personal
Reddit account, upvote or downvote posts, search subreddits, and comment on
posts. Best of all this app is absolutely free, with only a single in-app
purchase available.

What's your favorite?
While there aren't an overabundance of NSFW apps available on the App Store,
there are more than you may think. The apps we've chosen are the best that
we were able to find, but that doesn't mean that there aren't gems hiding
out there waiting to be found. Have you ever used any of these apps? Is
there a great adult app that we failed to mention here? Drop us a line in
the comments and let us know about it!

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I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either, Mashable

[M. Taylor]

I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either
By Monica Chin, Dec 22, 2017
 
In the past few months, Apple has released frequent updates to iOS 11.
Should you upgrade? For most people, it's a personal preference, but there
are some people who should definitely steer clear. 
I've owned an iPhone 6 for the past two years. When Apple released iOS 11 in
early September, I was still using iOS 9, and my phone was still running
like new. 

I held off on upgrading to iOS 11 for as long as I could, worried about
rumors I'd heard that it would decrease my outdated phone's performance.
Eventually, however, I gave in to pressure from friends and colleagues,
plugged my phone in, and upgraded. 
My phone's performance and battery life were immediately reduced to shells
of their former selves. I now need to charge my phone about three times a
day, it shuts down without warning, and it crashes when I have too many apps
running.  

So it goes without saying that it might not be the best decision to upgrade
to the newest version of iOS for everyone, security risks be damned. The
first group who shouldn't upgrade: Jailbreakers. 
I've never jailbroken my phone, mostly because it sounds like a lot of work,
but a number of my friends are incredibly loyal to the procedure. It's not
yet possible to jailbreak a device running iOS 11, though that's in the
works. 

The second and much larger group is people like me who have an older device
(two more more models behind the current flagship) who are happy with its
current performance. 
Updating your phone is a gamble, and the odds aren't even. Decreased battery
life, keyboard bugs, and general performance glitches are always a risk. But
the reward stays the same, while the risk gets higher, the older your phone
is. If you're happy with the way your phone is running, there's little need
to take that risk. 

It is worth noting one major point here: iOS updates do carry important
security features, and fix vulnerabilities that could compromise your
device. It's worth reading up on these fixes, and factoring them into your
decision. In some cases, it will be worth the risk of avoiding the update.

For example, iOS 11 fixed the KRACK vulnerability, but that was already very
difficult for hackers to exploit. And given the speed at which Apple has
been rolling out iOS updates lately, and then more rushed updates to fix the
bugs in those updates, it's not unthinkable that an update could bring new
vulnerabilities too, as we saw with macOS High Sierra. 

If you're happy with your older iPhone, it's fine to leave it be. Forbes
reports that the happiest users of older phones still use some variation of
iOS 10, or even iOS 9. 
At the very least, don't update immediately after the rollout. Sit back for
a few weeks, keep an eye on the news, and see what vulnerabilities and bugs
arise. Once you have all the facts, you can decide whether to take the leap.


Topics: big-tech-companies, ios 10, ios 10.1, ios 10.2, ios 10.3, ios 11,
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Re: bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

[The wolf]

Hello yes I have it and when I selected it I couldn't find a repair button

please bare with me I haven't used a mac in about 3 to 4 years so am 
trying to refresh my memory.


thanks

Hank



On 1/9/2018 4:18 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Isn’t there a first aid in disk utility?
You have to select the disk first and then find the first aid button.
Or is this not working.
Then something seems broken.
/A


9 jan. 2018 kl. 23:00 skrev The wolf :

Hello I am back in the mac world I got a macbook that is a 2009 or later 
addission the mac was orriginally purchased in 2012

it will not support windows10 but it will support windows7

it has 2 gigs of ram it will be slow running windows but will be upgrading the 
ram soon\

when ever I try to partition boot camp it says partition error it gives me no 
info on what the error message it it says to try running disk repair there is 
no disk repair choice in disk utility

I looked both at disk utility when booted in to osx and I also tried looking in 
disk utility under recovery no repair choice

I am running the latest osx high sierra can any one help me out here? I wish I 
could run windows10 but it says that it isn't supported so am stuck running 
windows7

unless any one knows of a work around?

thanks

Hank



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Re: Get rid of mission control from f10 key.

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi. Thanks for the info for disabling keyboard shortcuts with Mission Control. 
I never knew what this app was for because I couldn’t use it with Voiceover. I 
just selected the dash key instead of control down or up arrow to activate 
Mission Control. This app is very annoying and pops up at the wrong time when 
I’m trying to look at a document or PDF.
Hopefully Mission Control won’t appear as often in the future now when I’m 
reading a document. Thanks for your help.
> Katie

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 11:16 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Thanks for that.
> Seems to work great.
> /A
> 
>> 4 jan. 2018 kl. 10:08 skrev Anne Robertson :
>> 
>> Hello Anders,
>> 
>> Go to System Preferences and select Mission Control. Go through the whole 
>> panel turning off the keyboard shortcuts. Where there’s a popup button, set 
>> the shortcut to -.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jan 2018, at 09:55, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Here is what happens.
>>> SInce i use vmware fusion with Windows 7 and i only have a macbook air i 
>>> can not find the context menu key so  i wanted to use shift f10 for that 
>>> purpose.
>>> But every time i press shift f10 the mission control pops up and it seems 
>>> that f10 is used for mission control.
>>> I can not use the function key on my mac’s keyboard so i need to deactivate 
>>> or in some way get rid of the mission control.
>>> I don’t even know what its purpose is.
>>> /A
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Re: mac versus iPad pro

[Alex Hall]

Honestly, the iPad may be superfluous if you already have a latest-generation 
iPhone and keyboard. I enjoy split-screening apps on iPad, and using it when I 
want to save my phone's battery, but there isn't much it can do that iPhone 
can't. If you're already used to having an iPad, then yes, upgrading to a Pro 
will give you a lot more speed and sound. But you might consider trying to use 
your phone as your primary for a while, to see how things go.

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> On Jan 9, 2018, at 16:00, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I want to thank all of you that helped me with deciding about a new Mac. 
> Right now I have a 32 gig IPad. Could I get as much out of that as I could 
> from an iPad Air? I have a couple of keyboards, and I also got my Apex BT to 
> hook again to my phone. I have an 8 Plus. I think the iPad is a 32 gig so I 
> think it may be too small. So, I guess I am asking if I sell my Mini and use 
> a keyboard, which iPad would be better? Also, I love my 8 Plus because of the 
> two speakers. With my hearing deficit I have found it to be the best sound. 
> Would the iPad Pro have a better speaker or perhaps two speakers? Again, 
> deeply appreciate all your help! 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
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Re: bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Isn’t there a first aid in disk utility?
You have to select the disk first and then find the first aid button.
Or is this not working.
Then something seems broken.
/A

> 9 jan. 2018 kl. 23:00 skrev The wolf :
> 
> Hello I am back in the mac world I got a macbook that is a 2009 or later 
> addission the mac was orriginally purchased in 2012
> 
> it will not support windows10 but it will support windows7
> 
> it has 2 gigs of ram it will be slow running windows but will be upgrading 
> the ram soon\
> 
> when ever I try to partition boot camp it says partition error it gives me no 
> info on what the error message it it says to try running disk repair there is 
> no disk repair choice in disk utility
> 
> I looked both at disk utility when booted in to osx and I also tried looking 
> in disk utility under recovery no repair choice
> 
> I am running the latest osx high sierra can any one help me out here? I wish 
> I could run windows10 but it says that it isn't supported so am stuck running 
> windows7
> 
> unless any one knows of a work around?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Time to upgrade from 8.5 then.
Thanks ET.
/A

> 9 jan. 2018 kl. 19:54 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   This update appears to have addressed the USB device issue.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
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RE: Question about installing jaws on my Mac

[David Griffith]

I think you will find that these are  notthe the problems you expect.
Last year in the |UK at  least and I understand other  countries as well you 
did not have to actually physically attend conventions to take advantage of the 
 offers. They simply run during the the  period of the event and actually 
beyond  so you  could just order as normal during this window.
I, fore example,  ordered the Freedom Scienctific Open Book Software  and Pearl 
camera under the UK special offer  pricing during the Sight village  event in  
the UK even though I did not attend. I simply rang the UK distributor  whilst 
the event was  running.  I have in previous years bought  my SMA under similar 
conditions.
 
Secondly having a Pro jaws Licence does not preclude you from purchasing a SMA 
at reduced Home pricing. This is  precisely what I did. I had  a Pro licence 
whilst in work but now I am retired I  buy my SMA licences at the reduced Home 
rate.
As far as I am aware I have lost no Jaws  functionality as a result of this.
David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Eric Oyen
Sent: 08 January 2018 18:04
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about installing jaws on my Mac

well,
small problem… I would have to spend a great deal of money to get to the NFB 
convention. that would leave me with very little to spend on needed products 
(like jaws). I happen to use the Pro version here (it was included as part of 
my contract) and any further upgrades would be along that path. so, it *will* 
definitely cost me more, even if there is no significant difference between the 
pro and home versions. Even then, the retail cost (according to the freedom 
scientific website) is still just as expensive. So, even after the takeover, 
there hasn't been any real change to the pricing model. About the only thing 
that has changed is there is now less choice in what you get to use. There used 
to be Window Eyes, jaws, Thunder, System Access and NVDA. Now, there is jaws, 
System access, NVDA and possibly narrator (which I don't count as a serious 
screen reader with it's current limitations). So, even though VFO has a good 
business model, their motive is still profit.

Speaking of, which, if Freedom Scientific (VFO) were to drop the government 
business pricing model and simply sell to the blind public for about $120, they 
would be generating far more income. They wouldn't have to wait for government 
vouchers to be paid on, not have to negotiate onerous government contracts or 
jump through regulatory hoops.  They would go from selling through government 
agencies to (at most) several hundred vocational rehabilitation recipients per 
year, to many multiple orders of magnitude greater customers. $100 puts the 
price well within reach of even the most impoverished blind person. It would 
also cut down on piracy (the current price point encourages it in most foreign 
countries)

ok, at this point, I have wandered way off the reservation with regard to the 
topic. Now, as for installing jaws on a mac.. Assuming you have the correct 
version that works with your key, and you have all the bootcamp drivers 
installed, there shouldn't be any issues installing there Given what I have 
seen in this thread, it appears that it is either a version conflict, or 
something that the registration program reads changes between reboots.  In 
either case, that can be bad, as it will force the end user to use all the 
available registrations they have with the product. That will leave them 
without a working product within a very short time (and 40 minute demo mode is 
a real PITA).

-eric

On Jan 7, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Sorry, not quite. The Pro version costs about as much as JAWS always did in the 
past. The home version SMA is about $120. There is also a special pricing for 
the home version that you can get if your company buys enough of the Pro 
version or if you go to the NFB National convention. 

But still I have hard several times from VFO folks that the difference between 
Pro and Home is licensing rather than anything technical.
I believe you can even get  the remote client services for the home version 
which was not true for v15.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jan 7, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

well, so that is how VFO is trying to play the game. If you make money on a 
paid for product (like jaws), they demand what? A percentage or an extra fee?

btw, I am still on Jaws 16 here (the pro version) and there was no such clause 
in that user agreement then.
-eric

On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


If you are installing a version of JAWS that is newer than what your SMA 
allows, then it will say so. The Professional and Home versions are identical 
except for the agreement to use for non-commercial purposes. 

bootcamp error messages on latest osx?

[The wolf]

Hello I am back in the mac world I got a macbook that is a 2009 or later 
addission the mac was orriginally purchased in 2012


it will not support windows10 but it will support windows7

it has 2 gigs of ram it will be slow running windows but will be 
upgrading the ram soon\


when ever I try to partition boot camp it says partition error it gives 
me no info on what the error message it it says to try running disk 
repair there is no disk repair choice in disk utility


I looked both at disk utility when booted in to osx and I also tried 
looking in disk utility under recovery no repair choice


I am running the latest osx high sierra can any one help me out here? I 
wish I could run windows10 but it says that it isn't supported so am 
stuck running windows7


unless any one knows of a work around?

thanks

Hank



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Re: mac versus iPad pro

[David Chittenden]

The iPad Pro has 4 speakers. It has a decent volume. 

Kind regards,

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 07:00, regina alvarado  wrote:
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> I want to thank all of you that helped me with deciding about a new Mac. 
> Right now I have a 32 gig IPad. Could I get as much out of that as I could 
> from an iPad Air? I have a couple of keyboards, and I also got my Apex BT to 
> hook again to my phone. I have an 8 Plus. I think the iPad is a 32 gig so I 
> think it may be too small. So, I guess I am asking if I sell my Mini and use 
> a keyboard, which iPad would be better? Also, I love my 8 Plus because of the 
> two speakers. With my hearing deficit I have found it to be the best sound. 
> Would the iPad Pro have a better speaker or perhaps two speakers? Again, 
> deeply appreciate all your help! 
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mac versus iPad pro

[regina alvarado]

I want to thank all of you that helped me with deciding about a new Mac. Right 
now I have a 32 gig IPad. Could I get as much out of that as I could from an 
iPad Air? I have a couple of keyboards, and I also got my Apex BT to hook again 
to my phone. I have an 8 Plus. I think the iPad is a 32 gig so I think it may 
be too small. So, I guess I am asking if I sell my Mini and use a keyboard, 
which iPad would be better? Also, I love my 8 Plus because of the two speakers. 
With my hearing deficit I have found it to be the best sound. Would the iPad 
Pro have a better speaker or perhaps two speakers? Again, deeply appreciate all 
your help! 


Reggie and Lex

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Re: help on a new Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes the Macbook air is a great device.
Works for your needs.
/A

> 8 jan. 2018 kl. 23:53 skrev Michelle's Home Emails 
> :
> 
> hi friends, 
> 
> Michelle here, I am very happy with my mac air 11 inch. I have  no sight so 
> rely on the braille. 
> 
> Good luck 
> 
> Michelle 
> Sent froMichelle m Michelle's  iPhone
> 
> On 9 Jan 2018, at 8:18 am, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
>> My suggestion is to get the best 11inch MacBook Air unless 
>> 
>> 1. you have a little sight and a larger screen might be useful.
>> or
>> 2. You need more Storage space than can be easily provided by the MBA. 
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:00 PM regina alvarado > > wrote:
>> A question that I know is individual, but I need to get some ideas.
>> 
>> I am thinking of replacing my Mac Mini. I am not a power user. I do mail" 
>> and go on the internet and maybe listen to music and definitely books. What 
>> Mac would meet my needs. I like my Mini, but I got it in 2015 and it cannot 
>> be expanded and only has 4 gigs of ram. Thus I cannot go past El Capitan. 
>> What do you think. All thoughts are welcome. Still have not decided to 
>> change, but maybe I will. Might
>> want a laptop.
>> 
>> 
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RE: help on a new Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

However as the 11 inch Mac book air is no longer available you would have to 
look at the 13 inch,

However if you have the mac mini and you have a bit of storage space in it,

I”d think slightly out of the box and say look at the iPad Pro 10 inch,
With a Bluetooth keyboard you have pretty much full control of the iPad and 
applications,

Pages numbers and keynote all come standard with the device,
You can then stream your music / videos etc from your mac mini then you cover 
all your basis

Just another thought

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My suggestion is to get the best 11inch MacBook Air unless

1. you have a little sight and a larger screen might be useful.
or
2. You need more Storage space than can be easily provided by the MBA.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:00 PM regina alvarado 
> wrote:
A question that I know is individual, but I need to get some ideas.

I am thinking of replacing my Mac Mini. I am not a power user. I do mail" and 
go on the internet and maybe listen to music and definitely books. What Mac 
would meet my needs. I like my Mini, but I got it in 2015 and it cannot be 
expanded and only has 4 gigs of ram. Thus I cannot go past El Capitan. What do 
you think. All thoughts are welcome. Still have not decided to change, but 
maybe I will. Might
want a laptop.


Reggie and Lex

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RE: help on a new Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

I havetoagree wwith Alex on this,
Both sides

The iPad Pro is a great device although can be costly if you get the 256 gig 
model  but I’d suggest more rather than less storage,

As for the mac book air,
That is my personal choice of notebook for the size and weight, plus more 
powerfull processor and cheaper than the mac book 12 inch

Plus the air give you USB 3 and thunderbolt,

Now with the standard 8GB ram and increase a hard drive storage size to 512GB
You can’t go wrong

If money wasn’t an issue then the mac book pro would be a more powerfull 
machine but not needed in most situaitons.

I still use an 11inchh mac book air from mid 2013 for both mac os and windows.

Shame you can’t get them now.
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Sent: Tuesday, 9 January 2018 3:48 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: help on a new Mac

An Air would be the cheapest, and would definitely fit your use case.

Have you considered dropping the Mac and using an iOS device for everything? 
With keyboard commands, and, of course, a keyboard connected to your iThing, 
many tasks are much easier these days. Switching apps and quickly dealing with 
emails isn't as smooth as it is on macOS, but you mentioned books, and iOS has 
far better book-reading apps than the Mac. I know it's an odd suggestion, but 
it's a thought. After all, an iPad is well under half the cost of an Air, and 
even an iPad Pro is far cheaper than a MacBook.

If you do go MacBook, though, do yourself a favor and get more storage if you 
can. I lived with a 64GB Air for a while, and it was miserable. If you plan to 
store a lot of audio on it, and don't want to rely on networked or wired 
drives, even 128GB might be too small after a while.

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On Jan 8, 2018, at 16:00, regina alvarado 
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you think. All thoughts are welcome. Still have not decided to change, but 
maybe I will. Might
want a laptop.


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