RE: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah it is an interesting idea, but yeah I don't know why people are getting 
excited.
I'm a keyboard user it's just a different option if people were interested.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2019 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

Hey Simon,

Posting this has been quite the adventure on this list. I actually have that 
very keyboard, and I also love it! Everyone seems to think that I’m jumping up 
and down to buy this thing. I have no interest in it whatsoever. I just think 
it’s interesting, and that it might appeal to some people. But that seems to be 
lost on list members.  
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Have you looked at the iClever BT keyboard?
> I have one and it's great, folds in to a size pretty close to that of 
> my iPhone X I think it's the BK03 model, tri foldeing keyboard,
> 
> I got mine from amazon.com for about 30 US dollars.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Friday, 4 January 2019 3:29 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone accessory that may be of interest
> 
> No worries, Alia, it didn't come across that way.
> 
> Yes, a good BT keyboard would do the same thing, but I've yet to find one of 
> those that fits comfortably in my purse, whereas it looks like this device 
> would.  The other thought that occurred to me is that, now that iPhones cost 
> more than some computers, you could leave your iPhone put away, in a purse, a 
> drawer, whatever, and use this $300 device instead.  
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 8:22 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn’t trying to imply you shouldn’t have sent it, hope that didn’t come 
>> across that way, just discussing it. as for the motor issues, maybe, but 
>> wouldn’t a good bluetooth keyboard work just as well? it’s also expensive. 
>> 
>> Alia
>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 9:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alia,
>> 
>> Basically, I agree.  If it provided a better typing solution I might have 
>> gone for it, but I'm perfectly comfortable using the touch screen, so have 
>> little interest in using a device such as this for iPhone operation.  
>> However, if someone has fine motor challenges or something like that, being 
>> able to use physical buttons might be helpful.  Like I said, I don't think 
>> it'll be for everyone, but I do think it will appeal to some.  I figure it's 
>> always good to know what your options are.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey Simon,

Posting this has been quite the adventure on this list. I actually have that 
very keyboard, and I also love it! Everyone seems to think that I’m jumping up 
and down to buy this thing. I have no interest in it whatsoever. I just think 
it’s interesting, and that it might appeal to some people. But that seems to be 
lost on list members.  
Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Have you looked at the iClever BT keyboard?
> I have one and it's great, folds in to a size pretty close to that of my 
> iPhone X 
> I think it's the BK03 model, tri foldeing keyboard,
> 
> I got mine from amazon.com for about 30 US dollars.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, 4 January 2019 3:29 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone accessory that may be of interest
> 
> No worries, Alia, it didn't come across that way.
> 
> Yes, a good BT keyboard would do the same thing, but I've yet to find one of 
> those that fits comfortably in my purse, whereas it looks like this device 
> would.  The other thought that occurred to me is that, now that iPhones cost 
> more than some computers, you could leave your iPhone put away, in a purse, a 
> drawer, whatever, and use this $300 device instead.  
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 8:22 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn’t trying to imply you shouldn’t have sent it, hope that didn’t come 
>> across that way, just discussing it. as for the motor issues, maybe, but 
>> wouldn’t a good bluetooth keyboard work just as well? it’s also expensive. 
>> 
>> Alia
>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 9:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alia,
>> 
>> Basically, I agree.  If it provided a better typing solution I might have 
>> gone for it, but I'm perfectly comfortable using the touch screen, so have 
>> little interest in using a device such as this for iPhone operation.  
>> However, if someone has fine motor challenges or something like that, being 
>> able to use physical buttons might be helpful.  Like I said, I don't think 
>> it'll be for everyone, but I do think it will appeal to some.  I figure it's 
>> always good to know what your options are.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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RE: unmuting a Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Orpossibly you have done a three finger double tap on the touch pad to silence 
vo.
 I keep doing this some how.

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Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2019 12:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: unmuting a Mac

Well, at least on the Mac a mute can be reversed with volume keys also. I 
believe F10 is mute, F11 is volume down and F12 is volume up on most Apple 
keyboards. Generally I have to use the Fn key with these. Also, in the sounds 
system settings area is a play tone while adjusting volume setting you should 
make sure this is checked.

BTW. I am still considering your multiple window issue and will probably write 
up a tutorial on this. But there is an option in System Settings -> General 
about weather to re-open closed windows when an app launches.

Take care,

Jonathan 

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I seem to have accidentally muted my Mac. something on the keyboard tray was 
> too close and must've pressed a key when I moved it. how do I unmute it?
> 
> 
> 
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RE: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Yes thanks it was interesting,
People are trying to do great work out there but still a KB is just as good in 
my mind.

I've sent it on to a NZ iPhone users group I'm in so that they can have a look 
at what is out there.

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From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2019 5:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

Have one. :)  Like I said, I just thought it interesting, and thought that it 
might be attractive to some users.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:20 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I would just get a bluetooth keyboard. Thanks for sharing this though.
> I really hope someone get some good out of this for sure.
> 
> On 1/3/19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> That's really interesting.  I haven't spent a lot of time with the 
>> braille keyboard, because I favor qwerty typing pretty strongly.  But 
>> you've got me curious, so maybe I'll give it another try.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I find typing in Braille on the current IOS system has improved 
>>> significantly. If Braille is your first roar item, then Braille 
>>> typing will always be to the right of roar position when typing became 
>>> available.
>>> There is a two finger swipe to change keyboard swiping in the other 
>>> directions switches on/off contracted Braille. A single finger swipe 
>>> up or down gives suggested corrections based on typical Braille 
>>> typo’s not standard keyboard typos. I actually find I can type more 
>>> efficiently on the iPhone screen than with a HumanWare 8 dot Perkins 
>>> keyboard.
>>> 
 On Jan 3, 2019, at 8:42 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 This was in the Flying Blind newsletter.  Not sure what I think 
 about it, but thought some might be interested.  It seems to be a 
 little hand-held device that replaces the touch screen on the iPhone.  
 Podcast is here:
 4) Using Your iPhone Without a Touchscreen Learn about the Rivo 2, 
 the $299 add-on that lets you use your smart phone without a touch 
 screen, on Audio Pizza:
 http://bit.ly/2LMApbp
 
 
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RE: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Have you looked at the iClever BT keyboard?
I have one and it's great, folds in to a size pretty close to that of my iPhone 
X 
I think it's the BK03 model, tri foldeing keyboard,

I got mine from amazon.com for about 30 US dollars.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2019 3:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

No worries, Alia, it didn't come across that way.

Yes, a good BT keyboard would do the same thing, but I've yet to find one of 
those that fits comfortably in my purse, whereas it looks like this device 
would.  The other thought that occurred to me is that, now that iPhones cost 
more than some computers, you could leave your iPhone put away, in a purse, a 
drawer, whatever, and use this $300 device instead.  
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 8:22 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t trying to imply you shouldn’t have sent it, hope that didn’t come 
> across that way, just discussing it. as for the motor issues, maybe, but 
> wouldn’t a good bluetooth keyboard work just as well? it’s also expensive. 
> 
> Alia
> 
> On Jan 3, 2019, at 9:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alia,
> 
> Basically, I agree.  If it provided a better typing solution I might have 
> gone for it, but I'm perfectly comfortable using the touch screen, so have 
> little interest in using a device such as this for iPhone operation.  
> However, if someone has fine motor challenges or something like that, being 
> able to use physical buttons might be helpful.  Like I said, I don't think 
> it'll be for everyone, but I do think it will appeal to some.  I figure it's 
> always good to know what your options are.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi folks,

Yea I have to agree,

the great things about technology today is that we can now use with less 
troubles the same devices that the sighted world use  no real need for the 
production of 3rd party products like years ago to make things usable.

Accessibility is built in to our devices thanks to such companys as Apple and 
Google with android and the different Mac OS ranges.
I use my phone all the time for different things, only when I know I’m going to 
need to do a lot of typing do I use my iClever bt keyboard with it.
Otherwise I just use the IOS KB
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2019 3:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone accessory that may be of interest

Hi Alia,

Basically, I agree.  If it provided a better typing solution I might have gone 
for it, but I'm perfectly comfortable using the touch screen, so have little 
interest in using a device such as this for iPhone operation.  However, if 
someone has fine motor challenges or something like that, being able to use 
physical buttons might be helpful.  Like I said, I don't think it'll be for 
everyone, but I do think it will appeal to some.  I figure it's always good to 
know what your options are.
Cheers,
Donna



On Jan 3, 2019, at 7:58 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

thanks.

this is my opinion only. the idea that is so appealing about the iphone is I 
can use it as is. I don’t need anything “extra” to use it. same with mac. it’s 
why I moved from jaws to mac. so why would you buy a special accessory that 
makes you different again?! it’s just me, but that defeats the purpose. the 
iphone is perfectly accessible, and from the little I watched all those buttons 
just complicates something that’s perfectly simple, why is this needed?

Alia

On Jan 3, 2019, at 8:42 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

This was in the Flying Blind newsletter.  Not sure what I think about it, but 
thought some might be interested.  It seems to be a little hand-held device 
that replaces the touch screen on the iPhone.  Podcast is here:
4) Using Your iPhone Without a Touchscreen
Learn about the Rivo 2, the $299 add-on that lets you use your smart phone 
without a touch screen, on Audio Pizza:
http://bit.ly/2LMApbp

Cheers,
Donna

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Replaying Visual VoiceMail Message

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi everyone,

AT is my provider, and I’ve got the latest version of iOS on my iPhone SE. 
They have me using Visual VoiceMail, and whenever I get a message, I can play 
it once but it always goes through the earpiece. My problem is that I can only 
play the message once. I’d like to be able to listen again through the speaker, 
but although I can get to the speaker button, double-tapping it doesn’t seem to 
change anything. And worse, I cannot replay that message, or for that matter, 
any other message that’s been already played. Has anyone else experienced this 
difficulty? If so, what have you done to get it resolved? I don’t think this is 
a VoiceOver issue, but then again, I wanted to ask just to make sure.

Thanks for any help,
Pete

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Re: Boot camping windows 10

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

There's a very simple rule about all such questions: Keep it simple.

The more you ask of the process by way of additional drivers, the more
ways you introduce by which things can go wrong. Why would you do that?

To my mind this is not a legitimate request. Your installation
environment is a temporary environment that you leave forever once the
deed is done. This is why I suggest it's not a legitimate requirement.
It would be different as a day to day operational requirement.

So, my answer to you is maybe yes, and maybe no. Who knows? Even if one
BT device works during Bootcamp Windows installation, it does not follow
that the next BT device will also work.

Keep it simple. Get the installation done, make sure all the latest
drivers for Windows under Bootcamp as provided by Apple are installed,
then worry about complications like alternate keyboards, braille
displayes, external speakers, etc., etc., etc.

Just my 2 cents after countless years of installing this, that, and that
other thing.

Janina

Matt Turner writes:
> Hi folks.
> just wondering if I’m using a bluetooth keyboard while installing windows 10 
> with bootcamp, will I lose use of the keyboard?
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