Re: new mail sound on the mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I haven’t looked in iTunes on the Mac yet as I couldn’t remember seeing 
anything in there regarding ringtones or alert tones. It is the sound effect on 
the mail app on the Mac that I wanted to change

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 3/09/2019, at 17:15, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Can you find it under itunes on your notebook?
> Or is it on your phones mail app you wish to change the tone?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 5:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mail sound on the mac
>  
> I got it through the iTunes store.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> On 3/09/2019, at 15:08, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> If the tone is on your phone,
> Where did you get it from or is it a default tone on the phone?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mail sound on the mac
>  
> Thanks Robert,
> I still think it sounds too hard. I don’t even know how to copy the sound 
> from my iPhone so I can paste it? I am ready for a few more coffees this 
> morning.
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/09/2019, at 11:06 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Dear Petrus,
> I am sorry for scaring you.
> It seems that you can change the mail sounds easily.
> Its only the empty trash and move to trash sounds that makes you jump through 
> hoops.
> Again, I am sorry for the confusion.
> So try this, I just did it . I pasted in a new .aiff file and it worked. I 
> also tried a .m4r file, but it did not work.
> While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
> While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
> press VO+Space to choose it.
> Now open Library and choose Sounds.
> This folder may be empty.
> Paste your new mail sound here.
> It may need to be in the .aiff format, 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
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RE: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 4, with LTE

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Had a similar situation with my series 2 watch after swimming in a pool.

 But mine lasted 3 days before correcting itself.

 I ended up not getting it replaced and sticking with the original.

Weird I know, but hey what do you do.

 As for more of a concern,
Why did the apple genius bar not know if the replacement would allow you to use 
apple pay a product of their own,

 Surely the company providing the payment option should accept their own 
payment option.

And why did the genius not know this off the top of their head.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 4:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 4, 
with LTE

Hello All,

As the following makes absolutely no sense to me or any of the Apple Techs with 
whom I discussed this matter, I will simply list what happened earlier
today:

1.
With Apple Watch powered off, ran tiny stream of water over device to clean.
At the same time, a visiting friend, with an identical device, did same, using 
same water source.

2.
Upon powering up Apple watch, speaker sound was muffled on my device but not on 
friend's device.  Attempted to clear water from speaker using Water lock 
feature, no fewer than 15 times.  No success.

3.
Rebooted my device several times but speaker remained muffled.

4.
Went to Apple Store Genius Barr where they heard muffled sound as compared to 
friend's device, with regard to VoiceOver.  They, like I, checked every 
conceivable setting on the device and all was as it should have been.

5.
Because I have Apple Care Plus on my Watch, for faster service, used onboard 
Apple Support app to begin replacement process, said process having Apple ship 
me a new device, overnight delivery, via FedEx.  I began this process while at 
the genius Barr, using my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  

6.
In order to begin the replacement process, I had to unpair my watch from my 
phone; then, the Apple tech could set up the shipping details and create the 
RMA log.

7.
The final step in the process was to authorize Apple to put a hold on my credit 
card before they ship the new watch.  Then, if I do not return the old watch 
after having received the new one, they can charge me for the new watch.  I 
have 3 days to complete the final step in the replacement process.
I decided to wait until I returned home before providing my payment info as I 
was not certain if they would accept Apple Pay or if I would have to enter my 
card info, directly.  The people at the Genious Barr could not give me a 
definitive answer so I decided to wait until I was in a more secure and quiet 
location before proceeding.  

8.
On the way home, in the car, I decided to pair my current device back to my 
phone so that I could continue to use it, muffled as it was, while I waited for 
the new watch to arrive.

9.
During the pairing process, the sound quality switched from muffled to normal.  
I heard it happen as I had VoiceOver enabled during the process.
It was weird, to be totally honest.  The sound simply returned to normal.  I 
mean it was flawless.  Mind you, the time between when the Apple genius heard 
the sound and the time in which it returned to normal could not have
been longer than 15 minutes.   After paring the watch, I ran it through a
battery of sound tests, comparing it with my friend's watch, and they were 
virtually identical.

10.
Back at home, I ran both my watch and my friend's watch under some water, just 
as I had done, earlier.  This time, however, the sound on both watches was 
perfect.  

11.
Conducted more sound comparison tests and was satisfied that my watch is in 
good working order.

12.
Called Apple Care to update them on the status of my watch and the 
representative documented the episode, thoroughly and we both agreed to leave 
the current RMA in place and allow it to expire on Thursday.  This means that 
should I authorize Apple to place a hold on my card, then a new replacement 
watch will be overnighted to me; otherwise this particular RMA will expire.  By 
the way, the process does accept payment via Apple Pay.

Finally, as I stated at the outset, I have absolutely no idea why un-pairing 
and then, subsequently, re-pairing the watch to the phone should have made any 
difference in sound quality whatsoever, but, today, for whatever reason, it did.

Mark


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RE: new mail sound on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Can you find it under itunes on your notebook?
Or is it on your phones mail app you wish to change the tone?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 5:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mail sound on the mac

I got it through the iTunes store.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone

On 3/09/2019, at 15:08, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Petrus,

If the tone is on your phone,
Where did you get it from or is it a default tone on the phone?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mail sound on the mac

Thanks Robert,
I still think it sounds too hard. I don’t even know how to copy the sound from 
my iPhone so I can paste it? I am ready for a few more coffees this morning.



On 3/09/2019, at 11:06 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Dear Petrus,
I am sorry for scaring you.
It seems that you can change the mail sounds easily.
Its only the empty trash and move to trash sounds that makes you jump through 
hoops.
Again, I am sorry for the confusion.
So try this, I just did it . I pasted in a new .aiff file and it worked. I also 
tried a .m4r file, but it did not work.
While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
press VO+Space to choose it.
Now open Library and choose Sounds.
This folder may be empty.
Paste your new mail sound here.
It may need to be in the .aiff format,

Thanks,
Rob

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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Gents,

I just ran that speed test on a wired machine and got a
Ping of 22milli seconds,
Download:192.57 Megabits
Upload: 171.32 megabits

So as showing wired is faster than a wifi test

But alsoalso the wifi router and type of connection makes a big difference also.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 4:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Yes, I was a bit unsure on that one too.


On 3/09/2019, at 3:40 PM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Simon and Tim, and Petrus,
I’m still not sure what the units are for this speed test. Since they only give 
the numbers, but no mention of whether they are megabits or megabytes.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian





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Re: new mail sound on the mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I got it through the iTunes store.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 3/09/2019, at 15:08, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> If the tone is on your phone,
> Where did you get it from or is it a default tone on the phone?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mail sound on the mac
>  
> Thanks Robert,
> I still think it sounds too hard. I don’t even know how to copy the sound 
> from my iPhone so I can paste it? I am ready for a few more coffees this 
> morning.
> 
> 
> On 3/09/2019, at 11:06 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Dear Petrus,
> I am sorry for scaring you.
> It seems that you can change the mail sounds easily.
> Its only the empty trash and move to trash sounds that makes you jump through 
> hoops.
> Again, I am sorry for the confusion.
> So try this, I just did it . I pasted in a new .aiff file and it worked. I 
> also tried a .m4r file, but it did not work.
> While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
> While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
> press VO+Space to choose it.
> Now open Library and choose Sounds.
> This folder may be empty.
> Paste your new mail sound here.
> It may need to be in the .aiff format, 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I was a bit unsure on that one too.

> On 3/09/2019, at 3:40 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Simon and Tim, and Petrus,
> I’m still not sure what the units are for this speed test. Since they only 
> give the numbers, but no mention of whether they are megabits or megabytes.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
> 
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A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 4, with LTE

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

As the following makes absolutely no sense to me or any of the Apple Techs
with whom I discussed this matter, I will simply list what happened earlier
today:

1.
With Apple Watch powered off, ran tiny stream of water over device to clean.
At the same time, a visiting friend, with an identical device, did same,
using same water source.

2.
Upon powering up Apple watch, speaker sound was muffled on my device but not
on friend's device.  Attempted to clear water from speaker using Water lock
feature, no fewer than 15 times.  No success.

3.
Rebooted my device several times but speaker remained muffled.

4.
Went to Apple Store Genius Barr where they heard muffled sound as compared
to friend's device, with regard to VoiceOver.  They, like I, checked every
conceivable setting on the device and all was as it should have been.

5.
Because I have Apple Care Plus on my Watch, for faster service, used onboard
Apple Support app to begin replacement process, said process having Apple
ship me a new device, overnight delivery, via FedEx.  I began this process
while at the genius Barr, using my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  

6.
In order to begin the replacement process, I had to unpair my watch from my
phone; then, the Apple tech could set up the shipping details and create the
RMA log.

7.
The final step in the process was to authorize Apple to put a hold on my
credit card before they ship the new watch.  Then, if I do not return the
old watch after having received the new one, they can charge me for the new
watch.  I have 3 days to complete the final step in the replacement process.
I decided to wait until I returned home before providing my payment info as
I was not certain if they would accept Apple Pay or if I would have to enter
my card info, directly.  The people at the Genious Barr could not give me a
definitive answer so I decided to wait until I was in a more secure and
quiet location before proceeding.  

8.
On the way home, in the car, I decided to pair my current device back to my
phone so that I could continue to use it, muffled as it was, while I waited
for the new watch to arrive.

9.
During the pairing process, the sound quality switched from muffled to
normal.  I heard it happen as I had VoiceOver enabled during the process.
It was weird, to be totally honest.  The sound simply returned to normal.  I
mean it was flawless.  Mind you, the time between when the Apple genius
heard the sound and the time in which it returned to normal could not have
been longer than 15 minutes.   After paring the watch, I ran it through a
battery of sound tests, comparing it with my friend's watch, and they were
virtually identical.

10.
Back at home, I ran both my watch and my friend's watch under some water,
just as I had done, earlier.  This time, however, the sound on both watches
was perfect.  

11.
Conducted more sound comparison tests and was satisfied that my watch is in
good working order.

12.
Called Apple Care to update them on the status of my watch and the
representative documented the episode, thoroughly and we both agreed to
leave the current RMA in place and allow it to expire on Thursday.  This
means that should I authorize Apple to place a hold on my card, then a new
replacement watch will be overnighted to me; otherwise this particular RMA
will expire.  By the way, the process does accept payment via Apple Pay.

Finally, as I stated at the outset, I have absolutely no idea why un-pairing
and then, subsequently, re-pairing the watch to the phone should have made
any difference in sound quality whatsoever, but, today, for whatever reason,
it did.

Mark


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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

I used chrome and in the line prior to the speed record is a line that tells 
you what the upload / download  on that same line is an mb/ ps
So it is there.

My ping speed is what I’d expect a snail to have when running backwards on ice.
26 milli seconds.

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 3:41 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Simon and Tim, and Petrus,
I’m still not sure what the units are for this speed test. Since they only give 
the numbers, but no mention of whether they are megabits or megabytes.

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RE: Speed test website

[Simon A Fogarty]

Well that’s a shock to the system,

  I go  back on what I said to you Dave and Petrus,

Tim I’m guessing it’s a problem with nz’s fibre seeing my download is 72.000
And upload is 86.32
And after checking a couple of times to be sure,
That is Mega bits.

I pay for speeds that should be 10 times faster,
Petrus I think we should complain

Dave, I’d check with yor provider

From: Petrus Tuerlings 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 3:33 PM
To: Simon A Fogarty 
Subject: Speed test website

Here it is.
www.speedtest.net.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone

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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

>From one of his last emails,
I think it is dyslexia

No he hit the wrong key on the keyboard but really has a speed similar to 
yourself

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Yeah, just what does Tim have that we don’t? 100T? F/O? Maybe I need to 
complain to my cable provider to see what they can offer.

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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Petrus,

Don’t sit on the fibre box,

They don’t like it when we sit or stand on them.

You wanna buy half a fritz box?

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Yes, well I am in the dining room at the other end of the house and it is in 
the middle of the day. I could try it again in the middle of the night sitting 
right on top of the fibre box. But it’s good enough for me.


On 3/09/2019, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Excellent ping time, and if you're on fibre like Simon mentioned, that's not 
particularly quick, but really not that bad for most uses.  Where you are in 
your house, where you are in relation to the WiFi transmitter and other devices 
that could be interfering with the signal are all factors that can make it so 
that your speed isn't as good as expected.  Time of day can also be a factor.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 2, 2019, at 18:05, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i finally got it to work and this is what I got. Your speed test has completed. 
Your download speed is 84.66, Your upload speed is 17.73, and your ping time 
took 5 milliseconds. Thank you for using Ookla Speedtest

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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Dave Carlson]

Simon and Tim, and Petrus,
I’m still not sure what the units are for this speed test. Since they only give 
the numbers, but no mention of whether they are megabits or megabytes.

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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus and Tim,

That is why WiFi speed testing is not a recommendation but using wired can be a 
difference if you have that ability.

Petrus
Any chance you have a wired adapter for your notebook.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hi,

Excellent ping time, and if you're on fibre like Simon mentioned, that's not 
particularly quick, but really not that bad for most uses.  Where you are in 
your house, where you are in relation to the WiFi transmitter and other devices 
that could be interfering with the signal are all factors that can make it so 
that your speed isn't as good as expected.  Time of day can also be a factor.

Later...


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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 2, 2019, at 18:05, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i finally got it to work and this is what I got. Your speed test has completed. 
Your download speed is 84.66, Your upload speed is 17.73, and your ping time 
took 5 milliseconds. Thank you for using Ookla Speedtest

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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Oh and there is a speed test app for the iPhone which I find fery useable 




-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 12:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

i finally got it to work and this is what I got. Your speed test has completed. 
Your download speed is 84.66, Your upload speed is 17.73, and your ping time 
took 5 milliseconds. Thank you for using Ookla Speedtest

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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

I'm assuming that is bytes rather than bits?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 12:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

i finally got it to work and this is what I got. Your speed test has completed. 
Your download speed is 84.66, Your upload speed is 17.73, and your ping time 
took 5 milliseconds. Thank you for using Ookla Speedtest

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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Hell that’s a big difference.

Now if we divide that by 8 we get a number closer to that of what dave is 
getting.

I’m still dreaming of that speed in megabytes though,

That would be so fast when downloading.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hi Simon,

Oops, sorry.  Should have used proper abbreviations.  Yeah, 268 Mbps this 
evening.  Bytes would be better, of course.  This is on a WiFi connection.

Later...


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On Sep 2, 2019, at 16:40, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

For Petrus and I
We’re both on fibre connections mine is meant to be download of up to 1 Gb but 
that’s top speed,I’m lucky if I get half that on a good day.

Petrus I’m not sure of his speeds but would be getting upwards of similar to 
mine,

The difference simply due to location and a platform that my city got to 
experience first in the country,



We both use the same ISP bt use different routers / modems

I can pretty much say that Petrus would have better speeds on his connection 
than I would get on mine.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 9:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hi,

It kind of depends on a number of factors.  If doing this on an iOS device, it 
may display slower results.  On a Mac, it depends on whether your ISP is a 
cable provider or ADSL or something more like fibre.  I suggest you run it two 
or three times to see if the results differ.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 2, 2019, at 10:51, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

 OK, I ran the speed test and the results appear to be significantly slower 
than what I am supposedly paying for from my ISP.

Is this a normal characteristic or am I being overcharged for service?


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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

Could you flick me the url to this speed site,

I’ll check it from here and see if I get the same result,

Possibly as Tim said it’s a site restricted to us in NZ.

Cheers,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Well that didn’t work either, I opened the site, pressed VO I for the item 
chooser and couldn’t find anywhere to type start.  It said something about 19 
items. I am definitely opening the link you sent.


On 3/09/2019, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

How about using the Item Chooser instead.  Once you've opened the linked page, 
press VO-i to bring up the Item Chooser, type the word "start", then press 
return.  That should land you on the Start button.  The only reasons I can 
think why it's not working for you is if that site is not available in New 
Zealand, or if you're going to the wrong site.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 2, 2019, at 16:27, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many times 
did you have to VO right until you found the start button?


On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in sending 
would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that message came up 
then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that message did not 
appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do you have good WiFi 
signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check internet speed at 
www.speedtest.net.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Tim,
There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to another 
part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after Cmd-shift-D. Without 
any spelling corrections, I press that key combination twice to get the message 
sent out quickly.
I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one signature 
to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a decision to choose 
one — not always, but sometimes.
Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to drop 
into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?


Dave Carlson
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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

I know your not dumb,
Although confused I’ll take your word for it,

Although you do live in Auckland which is built on how many volcanoes again?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Ha ha, I didn’t think you liked the Touch Bar? And I don’t think I’m dum, just 
a little dazed and confused. I might need a coffee as I can’t work out why I 
can’t find the start button on the speed test. I’ll go try Tims Item chooser 
idea in a minute.


On 3/09/2019, at 10:45 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hey Petrus,

I’ll flick you my address off list and you can send it to me,

Shipping within nz is cheaper than giving it to someone else.

And don’t tell your wife,
Sdhe already has a notebook if I remember.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 10:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hi Tim,
Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many times 
did you have to VO right until you found the start button?



On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in sending 
would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that message came up 
then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that message did not 
appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do you have good WiFi 
signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check internet speed 
atwww.speedtest.net.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Tim,
There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to another 
part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after Cmd-shift-D. Without 
any spelling corrections, I press that key combination twice to get the message 
sent out quickly.
I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one signature 
to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a decision to choose 
one — not always, but sometimes.
Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to drop 
into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?


Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian





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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Dave Carlson]

Yeah, just what does Tim have that we don’t? 100T? F/O? Maybe I need to 
complain to my cable provider to see what they can offer.

Dave Carlson
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RE: new mail sound on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

If the tone is on your phone,
Where did you get it from or is it a default tone on the phone?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mail sound on the mac

Thanks Robert,
I still think it sounds too hard. I don’t even know how to copy the sound from 
my iPhone so I can paste it? I am ready for a few more coffees this morning.


On 3/09/2019, at 11:06 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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Dear Petrus,
I am sorry for scaring you.
It seems that you can change the mail sounds easily.
Its only the empty trash and move to trash sounds that makes you jump through 
hoops.
Again, I am sorry for the confusion.
So try this, I just did it . I pasted in a new .aiff file and it worked. I also 
tried a .m4r file, but it did not work.
While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
press VO+Space to choose it.
Now open Library and choose Sounds.
This folder may be empty.
Paste your new mail sound here.
It may need to be in the .aiff format,

Thanks,
Rob

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RE: sending mail to group

[Simon A Fogarty]

I'm definitely getting it here.

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:11 AM
To: Email Groups 
Subject: sending mail to group

Hi,
Testing mail.
This is my 4th time trying to send mail to Mac Visionaries.

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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

That sounds very much like megabytes to me.

The download speed is the one that really matters unless your uploading a lot 
of data to other sites.

But that would be similar to what I’m getting here in NZ,
But yes much slower than Tim is getting in Canada


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 10:57 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Simon, here’s what I copied:
Your speed test has completed. Your download speed is 48.63, Your upload speed 
is 3.08, and your ping time took 13 milliseconds. Thank you for using Ookla 
Speedtest.

Dave Carlson
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Re: New Mac User

[d.prater via MacVisionaries]

  
  
  

I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used 
Windows, the Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is 
perfect, but for me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even 
dabbling in code, the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. 
VoiceOver can hold your hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just 
like the iPhone, but it would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver 
can be used in amazing ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing 
more if you want, making going through email an absolute joy compared to the 
Windows screen readers. Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single 
controls. One can know if an app launches in the background. With the Mac 
itself, you can have time announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto correct 
is a joy to use. All this could be done in Windows if Microsoft wanted, but it 
hasn't yet. So, for now, Mac is the operating system of the future, for general 
computing, until iPad takes place.  



Devin PraterAssistive Technology Instructor

  




On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie"  wrote:















Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will 
take your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie
 


 

From: Phil 
Halton 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Actually 
Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the getting 
started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book of 
chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most entry 
in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has appendices 
for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.



Sent from my IPhone
 

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha 
 wrote:



  
  
  

  
  

Hi 
  Marie,
  

 
  

I find David 
  Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely benefited from 
  them.
  

 
  

Warmly,
  

Hem.
  

 
  

 
  
  
  

From: 
  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
   On Behalf Of Phil 
  Halton
Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
To: 
  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac 
  User
  

 
  

Marie, don’t forget to plow 
  through the getting started guide. You can find it by pressing the help menu 
  keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at the bottom of the list. 
  You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but try to bring up the 
  table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information about using 
  voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the voiceover help 
  menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there along with 
  questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
  
  
  

Sent from my IPhone
  
  

 
  
  


On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 
  PM, Marie  wrote:
  






I listened to 
the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as several 
from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast 
from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.



I have lots 
to learn for sure.



Marie



 





 




From: 
Petrus Tuerlings 



Sent: 
Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM



To: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 



Subject: Re: 
New Mac User



 



Hi Marie and 
others, 



Welcome to 
the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I may have 
herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well I’ve 
been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I only 
ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help 
and I would have been lost without them. 



Petrus 








  
  

On 
  1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
   
  wrote:
  
  

 
  
  
  

I am 
  another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
  joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. 
  We are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not 
  using the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would 
  use text edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be 
  beneficial. This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you 
from 
  other lists  
  
  

I already 
  know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
  windows.

Gail
  
  
  

 
  
  

Sent from 
  Gail’s iPhone
  
  


On Aug 31, 2019, at 

Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, well I am in the dining room at the other end of the house and it is in 
the middle of the day. I could try it again in the middle of the night sitting 
right on top of the fibre box. But it’s good enough for me.

> On 3/09/2019, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Excellent ping time, and if you're on fibre like Simon mentioned, that's not 
> particularly quick, but really not that bad for most uses.  Where you are in 
> your house, where you are in relation to the WiFi transmitter and other 
> devices that could be interfering with the signal are all factors that can 
> make it so that your speed isn't as good as expected.  Time of day can also 
> be a factor.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 2, 2019, at 18:05, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> i finally got it to work and this is what I got. Your speed test has 
> completed. Your download speed is 84.66, Your upload speed is 17.73, and your 
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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Dave Carlson]

Jealous.

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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

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Hi,

Excellent ping time, and if you're on fibre like Simon mentioned, that's not 
particularly quick, but really not that bad for most uses.  Where you are in 
your house, where you are in relation to the WiFi transmitter and other devices 
that could be interfering with the signal are all factors that can make it so 
that your speed isn't as good as expected.  Time of day can also be a factor.

Later...


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On Sep 2, 2019, at 18:05, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

i finally got it to work and this is what I got. Your speed test has completed. 
Your download speed is 84.66, Your upload speed is 17.73, and your ping time 
took 5 milliseconds. Thank you for using Ookla Speedtest

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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

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i finally got it to work and this is what I got. Your speed test has completed. 
Your download speed is 84.66, Your upload speed is 17.73, and your ping time 
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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon,

Oops, sorry.  Should have used proper abbreviations.  Yeah, 268 Mbps this 
evening.  Bytes would be better, of course.  This is on a WiFi connection.

Later...


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On Sep 2, 2019, at 16:40, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
For Petrus and I 
We’re both on fibre connections mine is meant to be download of up to 1 Gb but 
that’s top speed,I’m lucky if I get half that on a good day.
 
Petrus I’m not sure of his speeds but would be getting upwards of similar to 
mine,
 
The difference simply due to location and a platform that my city got to 
experience first in the country,
 
 
 
We both use the same ISP bt use different routers / modems
 
I can pretty much say that Petrus would have better speeds on his connection 
than I would get on mine.
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 9:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?
 
Hi,
 
It kind of depends on a number of factors.  If doing this on an iOS device, it 
may display slower results.  On a Mac, it depends on whether your ISP is a 
cable provider or ADSL or something more like fibre.  I suggest you run it two 
or three times to see if the results differ.
 
Later...
 

Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
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On Sep 2, 2019, at 10:51, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
 OK, I ran the speed test and the results appear to be significantly slower 
than what I am supposedly paying for from my ISP.
 
Is this a normal characteristic or am I being overcharged for service?


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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If this is on a Mac, don't worry about where to type anything, just type the 
word "start".

Later...


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On Sep 2, 2019, at 17:28, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Well that didn’t work either, I opened the site, pressed VO I for the item 
chooser and couldn’t find anywhere to type start.  It said something about 19 
items. I am definitely opening the link you sent.

> On 3/09/2019, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
> 
> How about using the Item Chooser instead.  Once you've opened the linked 
> page, press VO-i to bring up the Item Chooser, type the word "start", then 
> press return.  That should land you on the Start button.  The only reasons I 
> can think why it's not working for you is if that site is not available in 
> New Zealand, or if you're going to the wrong site.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Jamf Certified Associate
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> On Sep 2, 2019, at 16:27, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
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> Hi Tim,
> Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
> link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
> ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many 
> times did you have to VO right until you found the start button?
> 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in 
>> sending would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that 
>> message came up then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that 
>> message did not appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do 
>> you have good WiFi signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check 
>> internet speed at www.speedtest.net .
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
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>> Jamf Certified Associate
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>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to 
>> another part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after 
>> Cmd-shift-D. Without any spelling corrections, I press that key combination 
>> twice to get the message sent out quickly.
>> I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one 
>> signature to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a 
>> decision to choose one — not always, but sometimes.
>> Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
>> after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to 
>> drop into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?
>> 
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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Well that didn’t work either, I opened the site, pressed VO I for the item 
chooser and couldn’t find anywhere to type start.  It said something about 19 
items. I am definitely opening the link you sent.

> On 3/09/2019, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> How about using the Item Chooser instead.  Once you've opened the linked 
> page, press VO-i to bring up the Item Chooser, type the word "start", then 
> press return.  That should land you on the Start button.  The only reasons I 
> can think why it's not working for you is if that site is not available in 
> New Zealand, or if you're going to the wrong site.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 2, 2019, at 16:27, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
> link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
> ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many 
> times did you have to VO right until you found the start button?
> 
>> On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in 
>> sending would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that 
>> message came up then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that 
>> message did not appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do 
>> you have good WiFi signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check 
>> internet speed at www.speedtest.net .
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to 
>> another part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after 
>> Cmd-shift-D. Without any spelling corrections, I press that key combination 
>> twice to get the message sent out quickly.
>> I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one 
>> signature to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a 
>> decision to choose one — not always, but sometimes.
>> Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
>> after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to 
>> drop into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: sending mail to group

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

OK Thanks,
For a while my mail was returned as if I was not a member. It seems to be fixed 
now.


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> Got it.  Also got the one a few minutes ago regarding Mail sounds.
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> Testing mail.
> This is my 4th time trying to send mail to Mac Visionaries.
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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ha ha, I didn’t think you liked the Touch Bar? And I don’t think I’m dum, just 
a little dazed and confused. I might need a coffee as I can’t work out why I 
can’t find the start button on the speed test. I’ll go try Tims Item chooser 
idea in a minute. 

> On 3/09/2019, at 10:45 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hey Petrus,
>  
> I’ll flick you my address off list and you can send it to me,
>  
> Shipping within nz is cheaper than giving it to someone else.
>  
> And don’t tell your wife,
> Sdhe already has a notebook if I remember.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 10:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?
>  
> Hi Tim,
> Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
> link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
> ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many 
> times did you have to VO right until you found the start button?
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in 
> sending would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that 
> message came up then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that 
> message did not appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do 
> you have good WiFi signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check 
> internet speed atwww.speedtest.net .
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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>  
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
>  
> Tim,
> There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to 
> another part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after 
> Cmd-shift-D. Without any spelling corrections, I press that key combination 
> twice to get the message sent out quickly.
> I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one 
> signature to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a 
> decision to choose one — not always, but sometimes.
> Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
> after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to 
> drop into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?
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Re: new mail sound on the mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks Robert,
I still think it sounds too hard. I don’t even know how to copy the sound from 
my iPhone so I can paste it? I am ready for a few more coffees this morning.

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> I am sorry for scaring you.
> It seems that you can change the mail sounds easily.
> Its only the empty trash and move to trash sounds that makes you jump through 
> hoops.
> Again, I am sorry for the confusion.
> So try this, I just did it . I pasted in a new .aiff file and it worked. I 
> also tried a .m4r file, but it did not work.
> While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
> While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
> press VO+Space to choose it.
> Now open Library and choose Sounds.
> This folder may be empty.
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> It may need to be in the .aiff format, 
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Re: sending mail to group

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Got it.  Also got the one a few minutes ago regarding Mail sounds.

Later...


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On Sep 2, 2019, at 17:11, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,
Testing mail.
This is my 4th time trying to send mail to Mac Visionaries.

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Hi,
Testing mail.
This is my 4th time trying to send mail to Mac Visionaries.

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new mail sound on the mac

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Dear Petrus,
I am sorry for scaring you.
It seems that you can change the mail sounds easily.
Its only the empty trash and move to trash sounds that makes you jump through 
hoops.
Again, I am sorry for the confusion.
So try this, I just did it . I pasted in a new .aiff file and it worked. I also 
tried a .m4r file, but it did not work.
While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
press VO+Space to choose it.
Now open Library and choose Sounds.
This folder may be empty.
Paste your new mail sound here.
It may need to be in the .aiff format, 

Thanks,
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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

How about using the Item Chooser instead.  Once you've opened the linked page, 
press VO-i to bring up the Item Chooser, type the word "start", then press 
return.  That should land you on the Start button.  The only reasons I can 
think why it's not working for you is if that site is not available in New 
Zealand, or if you're going to the wrong site.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 2, 2019, at 16:27, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Hi Tim,
Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many times 
did you have to VO right until you found the start button?

> On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in 
> sending would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that 
> message came up then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that 
> message did not appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do 
> you have good WiFi signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check 
> internet speed at www.speedtest.net .
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to 
> another part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after 
> Cmd-shift-D. Without any spelling corrections, I press that key combination 
> twice to get the message sent out quickly.
> I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one 
> signature to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a 
> decision to choose one — not always, but sometimes.
> Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
> after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to 
> drop into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?
> 
> 
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> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Dave Carlson]

Simon, here’s what I copied:
Your speed test has completed. Your download speed is 48.63, Your upload speed 
is 3.08, and your ping time took 13 milliseconds. Thank you for using Ookla 
Speedtest.

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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

3 Mb as you reported is quite slow,

Possibly you did get it mistaken

Or Tim confused bytes for bits vise versa.

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 10:45 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Simon, I’m not sure if I reported the appendix correctly. I’ll have to go back 
and do an actual copy and paste.
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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Petrus,

I’ll flick you my address off list and you can send it to me,

Shipping within nz is cheaper than giving it to someone else.

And don’t tell your wife,
Sdhe already has a notebook if I remember.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 10:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hi Tim,
Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many times 
did you have to VO right until you found the start button?


On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in sending 
would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that message came up 
then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that message did not 
appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do you have good WiFi 
signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check internet speed at 
www.speedtest.net.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Tim,
There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to another 
part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after Cmd-shift-D. Without 
any spelling corrections, I press that key combination twice to get the message 
sent out quickly.
I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one signature 
to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a decision to choose 
one — not always, but sometimes.
Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to drop 
into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?


Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian





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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

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Simon, I’m not sure if I reported the appendix correctly. I’ll have to go back 
and do an actual copy and paste.
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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I haven’t got the correct cables to do that and I can’t even work out how to 
start the speed test anyway regardless of weather I’m on a cable or wifi. 

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>  
> If possible try the speed test using a wired connection rather than a wifi 
> connection
>  
> It can be different.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 7:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?
>  
> Hi all,
> Maybe I should explain myself. I think I got lost after I opened the link as 
> I was still in bed on a Sunday morning and I was using the iPhone. I will try 
> it again on the Mac today. 
> Petrus 
> 
> 
> On 3/09/2019, at 6:23 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> Bill,
> I ran it also. My upload is only 3 Mbps and download 43 Mbps. Pretty 
> pathetic, compared to Tim. But we don’t pay for any upgrades on our cable, so 
> that may be typical.
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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

For Petrus and I
We’re both on fibre connections mine is meant to be download of up to 1 Gb but 
that’s top speed,I’m lucky if I get half that on a good day.

Petrus I’m not sure of his speeds but would be getting upwards of similar to 
mine,

The difference simply due to location and a platform that my city got to 
experience first in the country,



We both use the same ISP bt use different routers / modems

I can pretty much say that Petrus would have better speeds on his connection 
than I would get on mine.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 9:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hi,

It kind of depends on a number of factors.  If doing this on an iOS device, it 
may display slower results.  On a Mac, it depends on whether your ISP is a 
cable provider or ADSL or something more like fibre.  I suggest you run it two 
or three times to see if the results differ.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 2, 2019, at 10:51, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

 OK, I ran the speed test and the results appear to be significantly slower 
than what I am supposedly paying for from my ISP.

Is this a normal characteristic or am I being overcharged for service?


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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

If possible try the speed test using a wired connection rather than a wifi 
connection

It can be different.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hi all,
Maybe I should explain myself. I think I got lost after I opened the link as I 
was still in bed on a Sunday morning and I was using the iPhone. I will try it 
again on the Mac today.
Petrus


On 3/09/2019, at 6:23 AM, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Bill,
I ran it also. My upload is only 3 Mbps and download 43 Mbps. Pretty pathetic, 
compared to Tim. But we don’t pay for any upgrades on our cable, so that may be 
typical.

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RE: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi dave,

Tim gave his speed in megabytes and you have given yours in mega bits,

So there does seem like a big differences but if you work out your speed in 
megabytes it will be higher

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 6:23 AM
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Bill,
I ran it also. My upload is only 3 Mbps and download 43 Mbps. Pretty pathetic, 
compared to Tim. But we don’t pay for any upgrades on our cable, so that may be 
typical.

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Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

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Hi Tim,
Maybe I don’t deserve a Mac as I’m obviously too dum to use one. I opened the 
link and VO right but could not find a button or anything that would clearly 
ask me to start the speed test. Either on the Mac or the iPhone. How many times 
did you have to VO right until you found the start button?

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> Hi,
> 
> Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in 
> sending would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that 
> message came up then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that 
> message did not appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do 
> you have good WiFi signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check 
> internet speed at www.speedtest.net .
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
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> Jamf Certified Associate
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> On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> Tim,
> There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to 
> another part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after 
> Cmd-shift-D. Without any spelling corrections, I press that key combination 
> twice to get the message sent out quickly.
> I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one 
> signature to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a 
> decision to choose one — not always, but sometimes.
> Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
> after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to 
> drop into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?
> 
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> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
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RE: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Really your getting megabytes downloads?

Hell I’m meant to have gigabit speed but very rarely see anything higher than 
60MB down.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 1:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

Hmmm.  I just tried it for fun.  VO-space on the link I provided.  In the 
HTML/Web area, VO-right to find the "Start Speed Test" button and VO-space on 
it, VO should announce "Download Test has started".  It will announce another 
time when the download test is about 50% done then the same for the upload 
testing.  After both are complete, VO should announce your results.  You can 
also VO navigate the page to hear the results again.  Mine were 231 MB/s 
download and 15.9 MB/s upload.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 31, 2019, at 16:05, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
I checked out that link for the internet speed and could not work out how to 
find our speed? We’ve just changed internet providers this week and I was 
curious as to how fast it is. It certainly seems faster than our old provider.
Petrus


On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in sending 
would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that message came up 
then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that message did not 
appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do you have good WiFi 
signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check internet speed at 
www.speedtest.net.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Tim,
There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to another 
part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after Cmd-shift-D. Without 
any spelling corrections, I press that key combination twice to get the message 
sent out quickly.
I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one signature 
to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a decision to choose 
one — not always, but sometimes.
Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to drop 
into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?


Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian





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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It kind of depends on a number of factors.  If doing this on an iOS device, it 
may display slower results.  On a Mac, it depends on whether your ISP is a 
cable provider or ADSL or something more like fibre.  I suggest you run it two 
or three times to see if the results differ.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 2, 2019, at 10:51, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

 OK, I ran the speed test and the results appear to be significantly slower 
than what I am supposedly paying for from my ISP.

Is this a normal characteristic or am I being overcharged for service?


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Re: Sound effects in the mail app

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’m hoping it will become simpler again when the new OS comes out soon 
I’ll go check out that podcast as well.
Thanks,
Petrus 

> On 3/09/2019, at 8:09 AM, KliphnShari Miller  wrote:
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> It use to be as simple as just pasting the sounds in the root of the Mac, and 
> they would show up, they since changed that.  And like you it’s not that 
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>> Hi Anders,
>> It’s okay, I decided not to change the sounds on my Mac in the mail app, 
>> aside from the ones that are already available. I was hoping it would be 
>> easy to install the sounds on my Mac that I purchased through the iTunes 
>> Store on my iPhone so I could use them. It doesn’t look like it is simple 
>> and it’s not important, just thought I’d have some fun and use the Star Trek 
>> sounds . on my Mac. But I wasn’t expecting the process to resemble the 
>> operating instructions for a commercial airliner.
>> Thanks again for the help,
>> Petrus  
>> 
>>> On 3/09/2019, at 4:10 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus!
>>> Where are you lost?
>>> Maybe if we can help you out things can be easily done.
>>> /A
>>> 
 2 sep. 2019 kl. 04:54 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >>> >:
 
 Hi Robert,
 I was with you as far as “try adding your new email sound” and then I was 
 totally lost. Sorry, but I’ll think I’ll leave it as it is.
 Thanks again,
 Petrus 
 
> On 2/09/2019, at 1:43 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Try adding your new email sound,
> But if it doesn’t work, follow the below instructions on disabling the 
> security feature.
> 
> If you are using High Sierra or Mojave,
> There is a security feature you must disable first.
> To do this, Boot into recovery mode,
> by pressing command+R at boot up.
> Wait awhile and press command+F5 to start Voice Over.
> Now go to Terminal  and paste in this command and press enter
> csrutil disable
> OK, you can restart the mac, make your changes and come back to recovery 
> mode and reenable the feature by pasting the following in terminal:
> csrutil enable
> 
> First you have to find the sound folder.
> While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
> While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
> press VO+Space to choose it.
> Now open Library and choose Sounds.
> This folder may be empty.
> Paste your new mail sound here.
> It may need to be in the .aiff format, but I’m not sure. It is what I’m 
> using.
> 
> Here is how to change the empty trash and move to trash sounds:
> 
> , use your Finder and click through to:
> Macintosh HD -> System -> Library -> Components
> When you get there, find CoreAudio.component in the list and VO Space on 
> it.
> Then click Show Package Contents.
> Then go to:
> Shared Support -> System Sounds
> The drag-to-trash audio file can be found in dock.
> The empty-trash audio file can be found in finder.
> You can rename the origional file instead of deleteing it.
> Now paste in your new files with the same name as the original ones.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I’ve worked out how to change the in coming sound in my mail app on the 
>> Mac for my emails, but I can only find the sounds that came with the 
>> Mac. I do have a few sound effects on my iPhone that I got through the 
>> iTunes Store and I was wondering if I can use those on the Mac as well? 
>> And can I change the outgoing sound of an email on the Mac as well?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Petrus 
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
>> 
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Re: Sound effects in the mail app

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> On Sep 2, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> It’s okay, I decided not to change the sounds on my Mac in the mail app, 
> aside from the ones that are already available. I was hoping it would be easy 
> to install the sounds on my Mac that I purchased through the iTunes Store on 
> my iPhone so I could use them. It doesn’t look like it is simple and it’s not 
> important, just thought I’d have some fun and use the Star Trek sounds . on 
> my Mac. But I wasn’t expecting the process to resemble the operating 
> instructions for a commercial airliner.
> Thanks again for the help,
> Petrus  
> 
>> On 3/09/2019, at 4:10 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus!
>> Where are you lost?
>> Maybe if we can help you out things can be easily done.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 2 sep. 2019 kl. 04:54 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hi Robert,
>>> I was with you as far as “try adding your new email sound” and then I was 
>>> totally lost. Sorry, but I’ll think I’ll leave it as it is.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Petrus 
>>> 
 On 2/09/2019, at 1:43 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Try adding your new email sound,
 But if it doesn’t work, follow the below instructions on disabling the 
 security feature.
 
 If you are using High Sierra or Mojave,
 There is a security feature you must disable first.
 To do this, Boot into recovery mode,
 by pressing command+R at boot up.
 Wait awhile and press command+F5 to start Voice Over.
 Now go to Terminal  and paste in this command and press enter
 csrutil disable
 OK, you can restart the mac, make your changes and come back to recovery 
 mode and reenable the feature by pasting the following in terminal:
 csrutil enable
 
 First you have to find the sound folder.
 While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
 While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
 press VO+Space to choose it.
 Now open Library and choose Sounds.
 This folder may be empty.
 Paste your new mail sound here.
 It may need to be in the .aiff format, but I’m not sure. It is what I’m 
 using.
 
 Here is how to change the empty trash and move to trash sounds:
 
 , use your Finder and click through to:
 Macintosh HD -> System -> Library -> Components
 When you get there, find CoreAudio.component in the list and VO Space on 
 it.
 Then click Show Package Contents.
 Then go to:
 Shared Support -> System Sounds
 The drag-to-trash audio file can be found in dock.
 The empty-trash audio file can be found in finder.
 You can rename the origional file instead of deleteing it.
 Now paste in your new files with the same name as the original ones.
 
 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I’ve worked out how to change the in coming sound in my mail app on the 
> Mac for my emails, but I can only find the sounds that came with the Mac. 
> I do have a few sound effects on my iPhone that I got through the iTunes 
> Store and I was wondering if I can use those on the Mac as well? And can 
> I change the outgoing sound of an email on the Mac as well?
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus 
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
> 
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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
Maybe I should explain myself. I think I got lost after I opened the link as I 
was still in bed on a Sunday morning and I was using the iPhone. I will try it 
again on the Mac today. 
Petrus 

> On 3/09/2019, at 6:23 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> I ran it also. My upload is only 3 Mbps and download 43 Mbps. Pretty 
> pathetic, compared to Tim. But we don’t pay for any upgrades on our cable, so 
> that may be typical.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
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Re: Sound effects in the mail app

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Anders,
It’s okay, I decided not to change the sounds on my Mac in the mail app, aside 
from the ones that are already available. I was hoping it would be easy to 
install the sounds on my Mac that I purchased through the iTunes Store on my 
iPhone so I could use them. It doesn’t look like it is simple and it’s not 
important, just thought I’d have some fun and use the Star Trek sounds . on my 
Mac. But I wasn’t expecting the process to resemble the operating instructions 
for a commercial airliner.
Thanks again for the help,
Petrus  

> On 3/09/2019, at 4:10 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus!
> Where are you lost?
> Maybe if we can help you out things can be easily done.
> /A
> 
>> 2 sep. 2019 kl. 04:54 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > >:
>> 
>> Hi Robert,
>> I was with you as far as “try adding your new email sound” and then I was 
>> totally lost. Sorry, but I’ll think I’ll leave it as it is.
>> Thanks again,
>> Petrus 
>> 
>>> On 2/09/2019, at 1:43 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Try adding your new email sound,
>>> But if it doesn’t work, follow the below instructions on disabling the 
>>> security feature.
>>> 
>>> If you are using High Sierra or Mojave,
>>> There is a security feature you must disable first.
>>> To do this, Boot into recovery mode,
>>> by pressing command+R at boot up.
>>> Wait awhile and press command+F5 to start Voice Over.
>>> Now go to Terminal  and paste in this command and press enter
>>> csrutil disable
>>> OK, you can restart the mac, make your changes and come back to recovery 
>>> mode and reenable the feature by pasting the following in terminal:
>>> csrutil enable
>>> 
>>> First you have to find the sound folder.
>>> While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
>>> While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
>>> press VO+Space to choose it.
>>> Now open Library and choose Sounds.
>>> This folder may be empty.
>>> Paste your new mail sound here.
>>> It may need to be in the .aiff format, but I’m not sure. It is what I’m 
>>> using.
>>> 
>>> Here is how to change the empty trash and move to trash sounds:
>>> 
>>> , use your Finder and click through to:
>>> Macintosh HD -> System -> Library -> Components
>>> When you get there, find CoreAudio.component in the list and VO Space on it.
>>> Then click Show Package Contents.
>>> Then go to:
>>> Shared Support -> System Sounds
>>> The drag-to-trash audio file can be found in dock.
>>> The empty-trash audio file can be found in finder.
>>> You can rename the origional file instead of deleteing it.
>>> Now paste in your new files with the same name as the original ones.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I’ve worked out how to change the in coming sound in my mail app on the 
 Mac for my emails, but I can only find the sounds that came with the Mac. 
 I do have a few sound effects on my iPhone that I got through the iTunes 
 Store and I was wondering if I can use those on the Mac as well? And can I 
 change the outgoing sound of an email on the Mac as well?
 Thanks in advance,
 Petrus 
 Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
 
 
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Re: Blindly work with Xcode

[Tibor Niesner]

I use to Xcode 11 beta 7.

Tibor Niesner
> 2. 9. 2019 v 20:31, Barry Hadder :
> 
> Tibor,
> 
> What version of Xcode are you using?  You can get the Xcode beta with a free 
> account.  You might want to consider using SwiftUI instead of interface 
> builder.  The only problem being is that it is still very young.
> 
> Let’s take one thing at a time.
> 
> In interface builder, you can imbed a view controller in a navigation 
> controller and it will make all of the necessary connections for you.  Do you 
> know how to do that?  The back button is provided automatically when you do 
> this.
> 
> 
> 
> Fill free to email me privately.
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 7:21:03 AM UTC-5, Tibor Niesner wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I have a questions for blind developer, if are here blind developer in Xcode. 
> I hope are here blind developers. 
> You can help me the best. 
> 
> 1. How can blind human create navigation controller in apps, where is back 
> button? 
> 2. How can I set segue show, relationship, show details, present modally, 
> present as popover, embed, push (deprecated), modal (deprecated) and custom 
> in controllers? It is in connection inspector in Presenting Segues 
> 3. How can I add new tab to app in tabbed App? There are only 2 tabs. 
> 4. How can I create table View Controller app? 
> 
> It's my questions, I know is lots of it, but I would like to learn create 
> apps for Apple devices. 
> 
> Thank you very much. 
> 
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Re: Blindly work with Xcode

[Tibor Niesner]

Hello,

No, I don't know how to do it. Is it possible to do something like that in a 
classic Swift? Please tell me privately the procedure. Thank you very much.

Tibor Niesner

> 2. 9. 2019 v 20:31, Barry Hadder :
> 
> Tibor,
> 
> What version of Xcode are you using?  You can get the Xcode beta with a free 
> account.  You might want to consider using SwiftUI instead of interface 
> builder.  The only problem being is that it is still very young.
> 
> Let’s take one thing at a time.
> 
> In interface builder, you can imbed a view controller in a navigation 
> controller and it will make all of the necessary connections for you.  Do you 
> know how to do that?  The back button is provided automatically when you do 
> this.
> 
> 
> 
> Fill free to email me privately.
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 7:21:03 AM UTC-5, Tibor Niesner wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I have a questions for blind developer, if are here blind developer in Xcode. 
> I hope are here blind developers. 
> You can help me the best. 
> 
> 1. How can blind human create navigation controller in apps, where is back 
> button? 
> 2. How can I set segue show, relationship, show details, present modally, 
> present as popover, embed, push (deprecated), modal (deprecated) and custom 
> in controllers? It is in connection inspector in Presenting Segues 
> 3. How can I add new tab to app in tabbed App? There are only 2 tabs. 
> 4. How can I create table View Controller app? 
> 
> It's my questions, I know is lots of it, but I would like to learn create 
> apps for Apple devices. 
> 
> Thank you very much. 
> 
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Re: Blindly work with Xcode

[Barry Hadder]

Tibor,

What version of Xcode are you using?  You can get the Xcode beta with a 
free account.  You might want to consider using SwiftUI instead of 
interface builder.  The only problem being is that it is still very young.

Let’s take one thing at a time.

In interface builder, you can imbed a view controller in a navigation 
controller and it will make all of the necessary connections for you.  Do 
you know how to do that?  The back button is provided automatically when 
you do this.


Fill free to email me privately.


On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 7:21:03 AM UTC-5, Tibor Niesner wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
> I have a questions for blind developer, if are here blind developer in 
> Xcode. 
> I hope are here blind developers. 
> You can help me the best. 
>
> 1. How can blind human create navigation controller in apps, where is back 
> button? 
> 2. How can I set segue show, relationship, show details, present modally, 
> present as popover, embed, push (deprecated), modal (deprecated) and custom 
> in controllers? It is in connection inspector in Presenting Segues 
> 3. How can I add new tab to app in tabbed App? There are only 2 tabs. 
> 4. How can I create table View Controller app? 
>
> It's my questions, I know is lots of it, but I would like to learn create 
> apps for Apple devices. 
>
> Thank you very much. 
>
> Tibor Niesner

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Re: Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

[Dave Carlson]

Bill,
I ran it also. My upload is only 3 Mbps and download 43 Mbps. Pretty pathetic, 
compared to Tim. But we don’t pay for any upgrades on our cable, so that may be 
typical.

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Log in user questions

[Marie]

I am using a loner at the moment but know it would be advantageous to be signed 
in to my Apple user, so a couple of questions.
Will the settings I have already made here transfer to the new user login or, 
are they tied to the User?
If I make the switch to my Apple ID, is it as easy to reset to factory as on 
the IPhone and IPad?
Last, do I just select the switch users option on the logon dialog to sign in 
with Apple ID?
/TIA, Marie

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Speed Test Results - Was: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

['Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries]

 OK, I ran the speed test and the results appear to be significantly slower 
than what I am supposedly paying for from my ISP.

Is this a normal characteristic or am I being overcharged for service?


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Re: Sound effects in the mail app

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Petrus!
Where are you lost?
Maybe if we can help you out things can be easily done.
/A

> 2 sep. 2019 kl. 04:54 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> Hi Robert,
> I was with you as far as “try adding your new email sound” and then I was 
> totally lost. Sorry, but I’ll think I’ll leave it as it is.
> Thanks again,
> Petrus 
> 
>> On 2/09/2019, at 1:43 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Try adding your new email sound,
>> But if it doesn’t work, follow the below instructions on disabling the 
>> security feature.
>> 
>> If you are using High Sierra or Mojave,
>> There is a security feature you must disable first.
>> To do this, Boot into recovery mode,
>> by pressing command+R at boot up.
>> Wait awhile and press command+F5 to start Voice Over.
>> Now go to Terminal  and paste in this command and press enter
>> csrutil disable
>> OK, you can restart the mac, make your changes and come back to recovery 
>> mode and reenable the feature by pasting the following in terminal:
>> csrutil enable
>> 
>> First you have to find the sound folder.
>> While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
>> While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
>> press VO+Space to choose it.
>> Now open Library and choose Sounds.
>> This folder may be empty.
>> Paste your new mail sound here.
>> It may need to be in the .aiff format, but I’m not sure. It is what I’m 
>> using.
>> 
>> Here is how to change the empty trash and move to trash sounds:
>> 
>> , use your Finder and click through to:
>> Macintosh HD -> System -> Library -> Components
>> When you get there, find CoreAudio.component in the list and VO Space on it.
>> Then click Show Package Contents.
>> Then go to:
>> Shared Support -> System Sounds
>> The drag-to-trash audio file can be found in dock.
>> The empty-trash audio file can be found in finder.
>> You can rename the origional file instead of deleteing it.
>> Now paste in your new files with the same name as the original ones.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I’ve worked out how to change the in coming sound in my mail app on the Mac 
>>> for my emails, but I can only find the sounds that came with the Mac. I do 
>>> have a few sound effects on my iPhone that I got through the iTunes Store 
>>> and I was wondering if I can use those on the Mac as well? And can I change 
>>> the outgoing sound of an email on the Mac as well?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Petrus 
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
>>> 
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Re: Copying text from a web site

[Barry Hadder]

Well I need to correct myself again.
‘@‘ does mean command, but you don’t want to use that.  Use control-space to 
set a mark.  The first definition shouldn’t be there.


> On Sep 2, 2019, at 08:47, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> “^\@“ means control-space.  In other words \@ is a code for the space 
> character.
> FOR SOME REASON, IT IS DEFINED TWICE.
> You have to press control-x twice to select the text from the mark.
> Once again, I can confirm that it does work.
> Yank and select is a functionality from the emacs text editor where you can 
> use something called the kill ring.  It basically gives you the ability to 
> cut multiple text to a clip board and recall specific items at will.
>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 05:35, Leo > > wrote:
>> 
>> These are the keystrokes as they have been defined in the dict file:
>> 
>> control plus Y, yank and select.
>> 
>> control plus backslash plus command, set mark.
>> 
>> control plus w, delete the mark.
>> 
>> control plus x, select the mark.
>> 
>> control plus space, set mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Apparently, there are two keystrokes that perform the same   action, and 
>> I don't know why; however, only the first one works for me when selecting a 
>> portion of the text. 
>> 
>> In my mac, pressing control plus space does not perform anything unless 
>> after this combination, I press control plus w, and what it does is to 
>> delete all the text above the mark.
>> 
>> In addition, I don't know what yank and select means nor do I know what it 
>> performs.
>> 
>> Finally, this is how I succeeded in placing a mark and selecting all the 
>> text from that point to the current position of the voice over cursor.
>> 
>> First, go to the specific point in the text where you can place the mark, 
>> and press control plus command plus backslash. (voice over does not announce 
>> anything)
>> 
>> Second, go through the text  until the second point, and press control plus 
>> x plus x. (voice over announces the selection and start reading the selected 
>> text)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As a final comment, this only works for me in pages or textedit, but it 
>> doesn't work in web pages; however,
>> 
>> something is something and I find it particularly useful, so I would like to 
>> thank Anne for the feedback.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo.
>> On 9/1/2019 11:25 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>> Well, I have to correct myself.
>>> Anne was correct in that the keystroke in the DefaultKeyBinding.dict file 
>>> to place a mark is control-space.  I have just tried it and I can confirm 
>>> that it still works.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2019, at 23:37, Barry Hadder >>> > wrote:
 
 First, you need to create a folder in your Library folder called 
 KeyBindings if you don’t already have one.
 
 Second, the key stroke to set a mark is actually control-@ as defined in 
 the dict file.  Note however that you can change it to whatever you would 
 prefer.
 
 
 
 I also want to note that the keystroke vo-enter that Jonathan mentioned is 
 correct.  However it seems to be dead in the current version of Mojave.  
 It is working in Catalina developer beta 6 however.
 
 
 
 On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 2:06:34 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
 Hello Anne,
 
 First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a 
 wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot 
 understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your instructions and pasted 
 the resulting folder inside the library folder of my user, but still, the 
 keystrokes don't respond, and I have even tried this in combination with 
 the function key with no luck. Besides, I've been doing some research on 
 Google, but I can't find anything that could lead me to respond why the 
 keystrokes are not responding.
 
 I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?
 
 
 
 Best,
Leo.
 On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> Hello Leo,
> 
> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac 
> if you do the following:
> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
> >
> 
> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with 
> Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and 
> press Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice 
>> that basically your question and my question are the same. Though I 
>> wanted to copy text from 

Re: Copying text from a web site

[Barry Hadder]

Hi,
“^\@“ means control-space.  In other words \@ is a code for the space character.
FOR SOME REASON, IT IS DEFINED TWICE.
You have to press control-x twice to select the text from the mark.
Once again, I can confirm that it does work.
Yank and select is a functionality from the emacs text editor where you can use 
something called the kill ring.  It basically gives you the ability to cut 
multiple text to a clip board and recall specific items at will.
> On Sep 2, 2019, at 05:35, Leo  wrote:
> 
> These are the keystrokes as they have been defined in the dict file:
> 
> control plus Y, yank and select.
> 
> control plus backslash plus command, set mark.
> 
> control plus w, delete the mark.
> 
> control plus x, select the mark.
> 
> control plus space, set mark
> 
> 
> 
> Apparently, there are two keystrokes that perform the same action, and I 
> don't know why; however, only the first one works for me when selecting a 
> portion of the text. 
> 
> In my mac, pressing control plus space does not perform anything unless after 
> this combination, I press control plus w, and what it does is to delete all 
> the text above the mark.
> 
> In addition, I don't know what yank and select means nor do I   know what 
> it performs.
> 
> Finally, this is how I succeeded in placing a mark and selecting all the text 
> from that point to the current position of the voice over cursor.
> 
> First, go to the specific point in the text where you can place the mark, and 
> press control plus command plus backslash. (voice over does not announce 
> anything)
> 
> Second, go through the text  until the second point, and press control plus x 
> plus x. (voice over announces the selection and start reading the selected 
> text)
> 
> 
> 
> As a final comment, this only works for me in pages or textedit, but it 
> doesn't work in web pages; however,
> 
> something is something and I find it particularly useful, so I would like to 
> thank Anne for the feedback.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 9/1/2019 11:25 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>> Well, I have to correct myself.
>> Anne was correct in that the keystroke in the DefaultKeyBinding.dict file to 
>> place a mark is control-space.  I have just tried it and I can confirm that 
>> it still works.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2019, at 23:37, Barry Hadder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> First, you need to create a folder in your Library folder called 
>>> KeyBindings if you don’t already have one.
>>> 
>>> Second, the key stroke to set a mark is actually control-@ as defined in 
>>> the dict file.  Note however that you can change it to whatever you would 
>>> prefer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I also want to note that the keystroke vo-enter that Jonathan mentioned is 
>>> correct.  However it seems to be dead in the current version of Mojave.  It 
>>> is working in Catalina developer beta 6 however.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 2:06:34 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>>> Hello Anne,
>>> 
>>> First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a 
>>> wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot 
>>> understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your instructions and pasted 
>>> the resulting folder inside the library folder of my user, but still, the 
>>> keystrokes don't respond, and I have even tried this in combination with 
>>> the function key with no luck. Besides, I've been doing some research on 
>>> Google, but I can't find anything that could lead me to respond why the 
>>> keystrokes are not responding.
>>> 
>>> I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>>Leo.
>>> On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 Hello Leo,
 
 You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
 you do the following:
 Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
 >
 
 In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
 Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
 You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with 
 Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press 
 Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
> copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
> addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks 
> in a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is 
> the basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this 
> probably cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web 
> page.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Double-Tapping to Send Mail?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hmmm.  I just tried it for fun.  VO-space on the link I provided.  In the 
HTML/Web area, VO-right to find the "Start Speed Test" button and VO-space on 
it, VO should announce "Download Test has started".  It will announce another 
time when the download test is about 50% done then the same for the upload 
testing.  After both are complete, VO should announce your results.  You can 
also VO navigate the page to hear the results again.  Mine were 231 MB/s 
download and 15.9 MB/s upload.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 31, 2019, at 16:05, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Hi Tim,
I checked out that link for the internet speed and could not work out how to 
find our speed? We’ve just changed internet providers this week and I was 
curious as to how fast it is. It certainly seems faster than our old provider.
Petrus 

> On 1/09/2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Tabbing multiple times after the Subject line is normal.  The delay in 
> sending would not have anything to do with signature choices.  If that 
> message came up then, yes, sending would be temporarily halted, but if that 
> message did not appear, then there's no connection between those items.  Do 
> you have good WiFi signal and a fairly fast internet speed?  You can check 
> internet speed at www.speedtest.net .
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:56, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> There’s definitely a hesitation. If I wait long enough and VO-arrow to 
> another part of mail, it will send itself. But not immediate after 
> Cmd-shift-D. Without any spelling corrections, I press that key combination 
> twice to get the message sent out quickly.
> I’m wondering if it might be related to whether I have more than one 
> signature to pick from in my settings. Sometimes I’m presented with a 
> decision to choose one — not always, but sometimes.
> Also interesting is that when I compose a new message, I need to tab twice 
> after typing in a subject, to get past the name and signature elements, to 
> drop into the message body. Is that also a normal experience?
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Copying text from a web site

[Leo]

These are the keystrokes as they have been defined in the dict file:

control plus Y, yank and select.

control plus backslash plus command, set mark.

control plus w, delete the mark.

control plus x, select the mark.

control plus space, set mark


Apparently, there are two keystrokes that perform the same action, and I 
don't know why; however, only the first one works for me when selecting 
a portion of the text.


In my mac, pressing control plus space does not perform anything unless 
after this combination, I press control plus w, and what it does is to 
delete all the text above the mark.


In addition, I don't know what yank and select means nor do I know what 
it performs.


Finally, this is how I succeeded in placing a mark and selecting all the 
text from that point to the current position of the voice over cursor.


First, go to the specific point in the text where you can place the 
mark, and press control plus command plus backslash. (voice over does 
not announce anything)


Second, go through the text  until the second point, and press control 
plus x plus x. (voice over announces the selection and start reading the 
selected text)



As a final comment, this only works for me in pages or textedit, but it 
doesn't work in web pages; however,


something is something and I find it particularly useful, so I would 
like to thank Anne for the feedback.



Best,
   Leo.

On 9/1/2019 11:25 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

Well, I have to correct myself.
Anne was correct in that the keystroke in the DefaultKeyBinding.dict 
file to place a mark is control-space.  I have just tried it and I can 
confirm that it still works.



On Sep 1, 2019, at 23:37, Barry Hadder > wrote:


First, you need to create a folder in your Library folder called 
KeyBindings if you don’t already have one.


Second, the key stroke to set a mark is actually control-@ as defined 
in the dict file.  Note however that you can change it to whatever 
you would prefer.



I also want to note that the keystroke vo-enter that Jonathan 
mentioned is correct.  However it seems to be dead in the current 
version of Mojave.  It is working in Catalina developer beta 6 however.




On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 2:06:34 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:

Hello Anne,

First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be
a wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still
cannot understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your
instructions and pasted the resulting folder inside the library
folder of my user, but still, the keystrokes don't respond, and I
have even tried this in combination with the function key with no
luck. Besides, I've been doing some research on Google, but I
can't find anything that could lead me to respond why the
keystrokes are not responding.

I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?


Best,
Leo.

On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Leo,

You can select text between two markers in any text document on
the Mac if you do the following:
Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
>

In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with
Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection
and press Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.

Cheers,

Anne



On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo >
wrote:

Hi,

well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll
notice that basically your question and my question are the
same. Though I wanted to copy text from a web page, you want to
copy from a text editor; in addition, as far as we've been
told, there is no way to place two marks in a text and
automatically select the text between them. Since this is the
basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this
probably cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on
a web page.


Best,
Leo.
On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Hi Leo,
Thanks for the clarification.
What should I do if I need to select long passages after
 placing a selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I
tend to keep reading until a spot where I need to end
selection. Is there a way to place sweet spots and make a text
selection between them? I will be grateful for an answer.
Take care,
Hem.
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*On Behalf Of*Leo
*Sent:*31 August 2019 16:06
*To:*macvisi...@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:*Re: Copying text from a web site

Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes,
it works. Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop
pressing vo,