Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

i don’t know how i’m going to install if i can’t get VO talking to do all the 
prompts.
it’s just stupid.

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 1:56 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ok there is one of your issues,
> 
> If you don't have the OS installed to the vm environment  then you probably 
> aren't being giving the option to get into the vm window.
> 
> Voiceover with vm fusion will speak the  suggestion of which keys to use to 
> get into the vm window when your actual vm starts up.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 9:43 AM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey,
> I am still trying to actually install the virtual mac OS.
> i did this a long time back but just can’t remember.
> I would be assuming single window but I have no idea.
> i will try fullscreen as well.
> 
>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 7:38 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  What mode are you running this in, single window, full screen, unity?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 9/12/2019 2:12 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>> hey,
>>> the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent 
>>> program needs to run a lot for seeding.
>>> This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.
 On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
  Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It would 
 mean booting into one or the other.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?
 
 On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> i could not get it to work with control G.
> it’s so hard to get it to go.
> may even try f6
>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I 
>> think it's ctrl plus g,
>> 
>> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you 
>> are dealing with your VM,
>> 
>> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>> 
>> hey all,
>> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use 
>> some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
>> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the 
>> VM using fusion.
>> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
>> any help would be great.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
still trying to install the mac version to the VM.
I have created it but now need to install the OS.

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 1:43 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Do you have an active / created virtual machine?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 9:49 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey,
> please keep me posted if you find that shortcut to go into the VM.
> thanks for all. your help so far.
> 
>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 7:21 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> If you have voiceover running,
>> Then it should speak the correct command to you as well, vo is really good 
>> like that.
>> 
>> Ok, yeah just checked my workstation notes, That ctrl g is for windows 
>> to vm workstation.
>> 
>> Check under the vm fusion menus for the full screen shortcut key, it's 
>> possibly command option enter,
>> 
>> But here is a key press to go in to focus of the vm. I can't remember what 
>> it is at the moment.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 8:54 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>> 
>> i could not get it to work with control G.
>> it’s so hard to get it to go.
>> may even try f6
>> 
>>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think 
>>> it's ctrl plus g,
>>> 
>>> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you 
>>> are dealing with your VM,
>>> 
>>> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>>> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
>>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use 
>>> some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
>>> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
>>> using fusion.
>>> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
>>> any help would be great.
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Michael
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commanders tutorial

[Hemachandran Karaha]

Hi all,

 

For beginners like me, I strongly recommend commanders tutorial by John
Panarees. It is certainly not the cheapest. But very praiseworthy indeed. 

 

Best,

Hem.

 

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voice control

[Hemachandran Karaha]

Hi all,

 

I am also eagerly waiting to see voice control feature. I get pain in my hands 
when I do typing. It will be great to have voice control with voiceover support.

 

Take care,

Hem.

 

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Re: dragon dictate for Mac replacement?

[Trahern Culver]

 Do you mean there will be advanced dictation features in Catalina? 

On 13 Sep 2019, at 02:01, maurice.mines  wrote:

Hello, the reason why I think he wants might be abandoning dragon for the Mac 
yes if you’re in my position, can’t hear. There is replacement wait have to 
wait, and tell Mac OS X Catalina a becomes hey hey release version of the 
operating system. And I do not know when Mack OS 10 Catalina is scheduled to be 
released to the general public.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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VP national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield chapter.
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On 12 Sep 2019, at 16:48, Trahern Culver wrote:

hi everyone, I hope your well. I'm currently running high Sierra in uni I used 
to use dragon dictate but I've heard that nuance has pretty much abandoned 
dragon dictate on Mac so whats a good replacement for dragon 

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RE: Chop comic demo

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Yuma,

Will this run on IOS as well as windows, I’ve got a few friends I’d like to 
show this to,

Cheers,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 1:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Chop comic demo

Hi mac users,

I just wanted to share with you a little fun demo app on MAC OS I did, which is 
basically a comic shop you can walk around in 3D, listen to comics say stupid 
jokes and get the crowd to clap, laugh etc.

It's quite immersive on a surround sound system, but works on headphones too. 
It's HRTF audio, stands for head related transfer functions. It's the basis of 
binaural audio.

Here is the dropbox link, please follow the instructions carefully to make it 
work.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/egr594wq1yovxe1/chopComic.zip?dl=0

I apologise for the non friendly way of starting it, but if you have any 
issues, get in touch and I'll help you get it up and running :)

I think this could be a funny crowd generator, where all of us can record our 
voices laughing, jeering, cheering etc, and keep adding to it.

I'm not intend on making this commercial, but an open source project with more 
types of actions in the 3D audio space as we go along.

Have a great weekend y'all :)



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RE: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok there is one of your issues,

If you don't have the OS installed to the vm environment  then you probably 
aren't being giving the option to get into the vm window.

 Voiceover with vm fusion will speak the  suggestion of which keys to use to 
get into the vm window when your actual vm starts up.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 9:43 AM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

hey,
I am still trying to actually install the virtual mac OS.
i did this a long time back but just can’t remember.
I would be assuming single window but I have no idea.
i will try fullscreen as well.

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 7:38 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   What mode are you running this in, single window, full screen, unity?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 9/12/2019 2:12 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent 
>> program needs to run a lot for seeding.
>> This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.
>>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It would 
>>> mean booting into one or the other.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
 i could not get it to work with control G.
 it’s so hard to get it to go.
 may even try f6
> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I 
> think it's ctrl plus g,
> 
> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you 
> are dealing with your VM,
> 
> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey all,
> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use 
> some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
> using fusion.
> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
> any help would be great.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
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RE: Firefox Web Browser

[Simon A Fogarty]

Oh and the best way around this issue is to forget firefox and use chrome.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 5:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Firefox Web Browser

Angus,
Is Firefox now accessible? Last time I tried it, it was not. If Mozilla has 
made it accessible, they are the ones who need your feedback so they can fix it.

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On 9/12/2019 10:08 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:
> When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no 
> Verbal feed back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not 
> to speak in Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to 
> Character and word? Can this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave 
> and
> Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).
> 
> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
> Charles Péguy said, “The revolution is moral or not at all”
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RE: Firefox Web Browser

[Simon A Fogarty]

I was under the impression that firefox was still a no go on the accessibility 
front for mac os / voiceover.

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Subject: Re: Firefox Web Browser

Angus,
Is Firefox now accessible? Last time I tried it, it was not. If Mozilla has 
made it accessible, they are the ones who need your feedback so they can fix it.

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On 9/12/2019 10:08 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:
> When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no 
> Verbal feed back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not 
> to speak in Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to 
> Character and word? Can this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave 
> and
> Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).
> 
> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
> Charles Péguy said, “The revolution is moral or not at all”
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RE: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Simon A Fogarty]

Do you have an active / created virtual machine?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 9:49 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

hey,
please keep me posted if you find that shortcut to go into the VM.
thanks for all. your help so far.

> On 12 Sep 2019, at 7:21 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> If you have voiceover running,
> Then it should speak the correct command to you as well, vo is really good 
> like that.
> 
> Ok, yeah just checked my workstation notes, That ctrl g is for windows 
> to vm workstation.
> 
> Check under the vm fusion menus for the full screen shortcut key, it's 
> possibly command option enter,
> 
> But here is a key press to go in to focus of the vm. I can't remember what it 
> is at the moment.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 8:54 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> i could not get it to work with control G.
> it’s so hard to get it to go.
> may even try f6
> 
>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think 
>> it's ctrl plus g,
>> 
>> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you 
>> are dealing with your VM,
>> 
>> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>> 
>> hey all,
>> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
>> old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
>> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
>> using fusion.
>> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
>> any help would be great.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I had heard that VMware did not work with the new iOS yet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:00 AM, Michael Marshall  
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> 
> hey all,
> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
> old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
> using fusion.
> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
> any help would be great.
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> thanks
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Chop comic demo

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi mac users,

I just wanted to share with you a little fun demo app on MAC OS I did, which is 
basically a comic shop you can walk around in 3D, listen to comics say stupid 
jokes and get the crowd to clap, laugh etc. 

It's quite immersive on a surround sound system, but works on headphones too. 
It's HRTF audio, stands for head related transfer functions. It's the basis of 
binaural audio.

Here is the dropbox link, please follow the instructions carefully to make it 
work.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/egr594wq1yovxe1/chopComic.zip?dl=0 


I apologise for the non friendly way of starting it, but if you have any 
issues, get in touch and I'll help you get it up and running :)

I think this could be a funny crowd generator, where all of us can record our 
voices laughing, jeering, cheering etc, and keep adding to it.

I'm not intend on making this commercial, but an open source project with more 
types of actions in the 3D audio space as we go along.

Have a great weekend y'all :)



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Re: dragon dictate for Mac replacement?

[maurice.mines]

Hello, the reason why I think he wants might be abandoning dragon for 
the Mac yes if you’re in my position, can’t hear. There is 
replacement wait have to wait, and tell Mac OS X Catalina a becomes hey 
hey release version of the operating system. And I do not know when Mack 
OS 10 Catalina is scheduled to be released to the general public.


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On 12 Sep 2019, at 16:48, Trahern Culver wrote:

hi everyone, I hope your well. I'm currently running high Sierra in 
uni I

used to use dragon dictate but I've heard that nuance has pretty much
abandoned dragon dictate on Mac so whats a good replacement for dragon

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Re: dragon dictate for Mac replacement?

[maurice.mines]

Hello everyone, there is a replacement for the software. But if you’re 
not in my position yet here you used it yet and Catalina becomes 
official. That’s probably why you’ve heard new ones is abandoning 
dictation software OK I Dragon on the Mac. Hope this helps.





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hi everyone, I hope your well. I'm currently running high Sierra in 
uni I

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dragon dictate for Mac replacement?

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hi everyone, I hope your well. I'm currently running high Sierra in uni I 
used to use dragon dictate but I've heard that nuance has pretty much 
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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

I can actually just use a virtual machine of windows.
i found a good version of my program that works on there.
still like to know how to get this working tho.

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 7:38 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   What mode are you running this in, single window, full screen, unity?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/12/2019 2:12 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent 
>> program needs to run a lot for seeding.
>> This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.
>>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It would 
>>> mean booting into one or the other.
>>> 
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
 i could not get it to work with control G.
 it’s so hard to get it to go.
 may even try f6
> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's 
> ctrl plus g,
> 
> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are 
> dealing with your VM,
> 
> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey all,
> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use 
> some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
> using fusion.
> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
> any help would be great.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
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RE: G Suite usability

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi tim,

That’s good to know.

I’ve got an interview via hangouts this morning with a USA based co,
They use g suite for most  of their work,

Just trying to get a handle on it.

Cheers,


Simon f

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2019 5:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: G Suite usability

Hi,

On the Mac, I use it daily.  Different aspects are more accessible than others. 
 I usually use a combination of Safari and Chrome and a combination of VO and 
ChromeVox.  You can also use G Suite apps and services in iOS and the soon to 
be iPadOS.  Again, some things are easier in one platform vs the other.  For 
example, some Google expandable menus work better in Chrome with CV, yet VO is 
faster and handles some other aspects of the browser experience better.  Sorry 
for being somewhat vague.

Later...


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Sep 12, 2019, at 00:07, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi lists,

This has been cross posted so there is a windows related aspect.

Has anyone had any luck using the Google G Suite services with either Mac or 
windows based systems?

If so how accessible are they?

Cheers,

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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
I am still trying to actually install the virtual mac OS.
i did this a long time back but just can’t remember.
I would be assuming single window but I have no idea.
i will try fullscreen as well.

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 7:38 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>   What mode are you running this in, single window, full screen, unity?
> 
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>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/12/2019 2:12 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent 
>> program needs to run a lot for seeding.
>> This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.
>>> On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It would 
>>> mean booting into one or the other.
>>> 
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>> On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
 i could not get it to work with control G.
 it’s so hard to get it to go.
 may even try f6
> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's 
> ctrl plus g,
> 
> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are 
> dealing with your VM,
> 
> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey all,
> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use 
> some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
> using fusion.
> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
> any help would be great.
> 
> thanks
> 
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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   What mode are you running this in, single window, full screen, unity?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/12/2019 2:12 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey,
the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent program 
needs to run a lot for seeding.
This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.


On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It would 
mean booting into one or the other.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:

i could not get it to work with control G.
it’s so hard to get it to go.
may even try f6

On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's ctrl 
plus g,

Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are dealing 
with your VM,

It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

hey all,
am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM using 
fusion.
i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
any help would be great.

thanks

Michael

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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
the problem with this is that the program i’m using witch is a torrent program 
needs to run a lot for seeding.
This is why I would like to create a virtual machine.

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 12:18 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It would 
> mean booting into one or the other.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
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> On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> i could not get it to work with control G.
>> it’s so hard to get it to go.
>> may even try f6
>>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's 
>>> ctrl plus g,
>>> 
>>> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are 
>>> dealing with your VM,
>>> 
>>> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>>> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
>>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use 
>>> some old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
>>> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
>>> using fusion.
>>> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
>>> any help would be great.
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Michael
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Re: Firefox Web Browser

[Jonathan Cohn]

According to a slack channel I am on, it will be at least a year before there 
is any VoiceOver support in Macintosh Firefox. It broke when the moved to the 
new multi-processor engine in Firefox 56. James They formally of NVDA is 
apparently the director of Firefox accessibility
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>> When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no Verbal 
>> feed back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not to speak in 
>> Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to Character and word? Can 
>> this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave and Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).
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Re: Firefox Web Browser

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Angus,
   Is Firefox now accessible? Last time I tried it, it was not. If 
Mozilla has made it accessible, they are the ones who need your feedback 
so they can fix it.


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On 9/12/2019 10:08 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:
When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no 
Verbal feed back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not to 
speak in Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to Character 
and word? Can this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave and 
Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).


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Re: G Suite usability

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

On the Mac, I use it daily.  Different aspects are more accessible than others. 
 I usually use a combination of Safari and Chrome and a combination of VO and 
ChromeVox.  You can also use G Suite apps and services in iOS and the soon to 
be iPadOS.  Again, some things are easier in one platform vs the other.  For 
example, some Google expandable menus work better in Chrome with CV, yet VO is 
faster and handles some other aspects of the browser experience better.  Sorry 
for being somewhat vague.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 12, 2019, at 00:07, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi lists,
 
This has been cross posted so there is a windows related aspect.
 
Has anyone had any luck using the Google G Suite services with either Mac or 
windows based systems?
 
If so how accessible are they?
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: Firefox Web Browser

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Hi,

That would need to be addressed with the Firefox developers.  It is not a MacOS 
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On Sep 12, 2019, at 11:08, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no Verbal feed 
back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not to speak in Firefox’s 
Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to Character and word? Can this no 
reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave and Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).

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Firefox Web Browser

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When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no Verbal feed 
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Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to Character and word? Can this no 
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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Would it work better if you create another APFS volume for this? It 
would mean booting into one or the other.


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On 9/12/2019 1:54 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:

i could not get it to work with control G.
it’s so hard to get it to go.
may even try f6


On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's ctrl 
plus g,

Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are dealing 
with your VM,

It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

hey all,
am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM using 
fusion.
i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
any help would be great.

thanks

Michael

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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
please keep me posted if you find that shortcut to go into the VM.
thanks for all. your help so far.

> On 12 Sep 2019, at 7:21 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> If you have voiceover running,
> Then it should speak the correct command to you as well, vo is really good 
> like that.
> 
> Ok, yeah just checked my workstation notes,
> That ctrl g is for windows to vm workstation.
> 
> Check under the vm fusion menus for the full screen shortcut key, it's 
> possibly command option enter,
> 
> But here is a key press to go in to focus of the vm. I can't remember what it 
> is at the moment.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 8:54 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> i could not get it to work with control G.
> it’s so hard to get it to go.
> may even try f6
> 
>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's 
>> ctrl plus g,
>> 
>> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are 
>> dealing with your VM,
>> 
>> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
>> 
>> hey all,
>> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
>> old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
>> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
>> using fusion.
>> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
>> any help would be great.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Michael
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RE: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Simon A Fogarty]

If you have voiceover running,
Then it should speak the correct command to you as well, vo is really good like 
that.

Ok, yeah just checked my workstation notes,
That ctrl g is for windows to vm workstation.

 Check under the vm fusion menus for the full screen shortcut key, it's 
possibly command option enter,
 
 But here is a key press to go in to focus of the vm. I can't remember what it 
is at the moment.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 8:54 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

i could not get it to work with control G.
it’s so hard to get it to go.
may even try f6

> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's ctrl 
> plus g,
> 
> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are 
> dealing with your VM,
> 
> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey all,
> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
> old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
> using fusion.
> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
> any help would be great.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

i could not get it to work with control G.
it’s so hard to get it to go.
may even try f6

> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's ctrl 
> plus g,
> 
> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are 
> dealing with your VM,
> 
> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey all,
> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
> old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
> using fusion.
> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
> any help would be great.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
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Re: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

thanks a lot.
will try that.

> On 12 Sep 2019, at 5:33 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's ctrl 
> plus g,
> 
> Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are 
> dealing with your VM,
> 
> It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.
> 
> hey all,
> am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
> old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
> what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM 
> using fusion.
> i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
> any help would be great.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
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RE: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ensure that focus is on the virtual machine window by using I think it's ctrl 
plus g,

 Oh and I find it helps to turn vo off on the host machine when you are dealing 
with your VM,

 It seems to make my life  easier with the vm.

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Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:00 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

hey all,
am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM using 
fusion.
i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
any help would be great.

thanks

Michael

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using keyboard in mac virtual machine.

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
am going to make a VM of Mojave when i upgrade to catalina so i can use some 
old apps till new versions come out with 64 support.
what i’m wondering is how you get the keyboard to communicate with the VM using 
fusion.
i’m using a macbook and need to start VO in the new vm to install.
any help would be great.

thanks

Michael

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G Suite usability

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi lists,

This has been cross posted so there is a windows related aspect.

Has anyone had any luck using the Google G Suite services with either Mac or 
windows based systems?

If so how accessible are they?

Cheers,

Simon f

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RE: Voiceover Speaks "Appendix 500" but it is Written "Appendix D"

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey I’ve got three notebooks and one broken mac mini.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 9:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover Speaks "Appendix 500" but it is Written "Appendix D"

And you’re still not getting mine.


On 11/09/2019, at 9:58 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi ET,

Ok, I'm not running Catalina beta as I need my notebook running with out more 
issues.

Might have to obtain another to piss around with so I don't srew up production .

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Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2019 3:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover Speaks "Appendix 500" but it is Written "Appendix D"

   And Simon, anyone with an Alex voice can very easily replicate this.
So please test it replicate it report it. If we don't take action, we will see 
this in future OSs. The macOS beta pool is abysmally small, sadly.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/9/2019 11:39 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

You sure they aren't http links in the document linking you to the section of 
the document with the toc.

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Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2019 9:23 AM
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Subject: Re: Voiceover Speaks "Appendix 500" but it is Written "Appendix D"

Have you reported it to Apple accessibility?

On 7 Sep 2019, at 20:14, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

As I read through a document in Textedit, there in the table of contents we're 
lines with Appendix A, Appendix B, Appendix C, Appendix D, and so on. Moving 
character-by-character reads the letter, but reading line-by-line the letter C 
says 100 and the letter D says 500. Even in this email message I hear the 
numbers 100 and 500. How do I turn off this amusing (but not meaningful) 
behavior? I suspect it’s a Voiceover issue and not Mac OS.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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RE: Taking a picture and attach it to mail.

[Simon A Fogarty]

Cradle snatcher.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 9:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking a picture and attach it to mail.

I’ll let you answer that question, as my wife is 13 years younger than me.


On 11/09/2019, at 10:07 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

You old bugger,

Hope you use the scale of your only as old as the woman you feel?

How does your wife put up with you!?

Lol.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2019 8:23 AM
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Sorry Anders,
Not sure why I gave inches instead of centimetres as I usually do everything in 
metric.  I’ll put it down to the fact that I started going to school here in NZ 
right in the middle of the change over from Imperial to metric, and that was 
from 1966-1975.
Hope you managed to get a good photo in the end?



On 11/09/2019, at 5:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

30 cm is 12 inches.  10 inches is 25 cm.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 10, 2019, at 10:38, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree.
10 inches is about 30 centimeters i guess.
/A



9 sep. 2019 kl. 21:49 skrev Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:

Okay, I usually hold my phone with the back up against what ever I’m taking the 
photo of. Depending on the size I’ll then pull my phone away from the object 
trying to keep it as steady as possible. I’m guessing the size of your modem 
you would probably need to pull it back about 8 to 10 inches. Make sure you 
have camera mode selected and you  Have voice over focused on the  take picture 
button before you start. Once you think you are far enough away from the object 
your photographing double tap the screen.
I’m guessing you know how to attach the photo to the email?
I actually find texting photos is much easier as you can take the photo within 
the message itself without having to open your camera, and then send the text 
straight away without having to attach the photo.



On 10/09/2019, at 12:47 AM, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
I need to take a picture of my cable modem which is on my wall.
They need to see the lights on the modem but i am really not experienced in 
photographics.
So i need to know how i should do in order to get the picture as good as 
possible.
If i couold i would ask sighted people but there are no sighted around right 
now.
So what is the best way to take a photo of the bloody modem.
Thanks?
/A

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