Facebook escalates feud with Apple over iOS privacy changes, cNet

[M. Taylor]

Facebook escalates feud with Apple over iOS privacy changes
The social network says changes in Apple's mobile software will hurt small
businesses.
Dec. 16, 2020
By Angela Lang, cNet.

Facebook is again criticizing upcoming privacy changes to Apple's iOS that
could uproot ad-tracking features used by apps. The social network on
Wednesday ran full-page newspaper ads saying the feature in iOS 14, expected
to be released early next year, will hurt small businesses. The company also
expanded on its position in a blog post, saying that Apple's new policy is
"more about profit than privacy." 

Apple announced several new privacy updates for iOS at its Worldwide
Developers Conference earlier this year, including a feature called App
Tracking Transparency that would require people to opt in to apps collecting
their data rather than needing them to opt out. The update threatens to
uproot several ad-tracking features in apps, including Facebook. In
September, Apple decided to delay the feature's rollout to 2021 so
developers could have more time to make necessary changes. 

Facebook's criticism of Apple is the latest in an ongoing public fight
between two of the world's largest tech companies. The social network, which
has also been under fire for failing to safeguard user privacy, views
Apple's changes as an attack on personalized advertising. Facebook makes
most of its money from ads, which allows it to avoid charging people a
subscription fee to use the social network.

Facebook has previously said the iOS update would mean less profit for
advertisers because of less effective tracking. In the ads on Wednesday,
Facebook says: "While limiting how personalized ads can be used does impact
larger companies like us, these changes will be devastating to small
businesses."

Apple has defended the tracking changes, saying they give users more
control. In a public letter last month, Jane Horvath, the company's privacy
chief, called out Facebook for its data collection practices and said Apple
remains "fully committed" to its app tracking transparency feature and other
privacy protections.
"Facebook executives have made clear their intent is to collect as much data
as possible across both first and third party products to develop and
monetize detailed profiles of their users, and this disregard for user
privacy continues to expand to include more of their products," Horvath
wrote. 

Dan Levy, who oversees ads and business products, said in a press call on
Wednesday that Apple was "behaving anti-competitively by using their control
of the App Store to benefit their bottom line at the expense of creators and
small businesses." If services turn away from ads and start charging a
subscription fee or in-app payments, Apple benefits because the company
makes money from fees charged to developers, Levy said. 

The impact to Facebook's business will be "less severe" because the company
has a diverse ads business with more than 10 million advertisers. Compared
with small businesses, he said, Facebook "will be fine."

"This is not just a tech fight over different pieces of technology and
policy," Levy said. "This is a set of changes and a start on what we believe
is a long strategic move from Apple towards fundamentally changing how the
free internet and advertising works for small businesses."

Steve Satterfield, a director of privacy and public policy at Facebook, also
said during the press call that it will also support Epic Games, the company
behind the popular video game Fortnite, which filed a lawsuit against Apple
earlier this year alleging the iPhone maker engaged in anti-competitive
practices by demanding up to a 30% cut of app sales made on the iPhone and
iPad. Epic Games also sued Google and Fortnite was removed from Apple's App
Store and the Google Play Store.
"We are prepared to provide relevant information in their litigation about
how Apple's policies are hurting the millions of people and businesses who
use our services," Satterfield said.
Epic didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Facebook ads criticizing Apple, which were earlier reported by
Bloomberg, appeared in newspapers including The Washington Post and The Wall
Street Journal. 

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Re: help with text reading and selecting commands

[Brad Snyder]

Here are some VO reading commands:

VO + A - start continuous read from the current position of the VO cursor.
VO + L - read current line.
VO + S - read current sentence.
VO + C - read current character.
VO + B - read from beginning to current position of VO cursor.
VO + W - Read visible text in VO cursor.  Pressing a second time will spell the 
content, and pressing a third time will spell phonetically.

You can also interact with text, then use VO + right arrow to read by word.  
Use VO + Shift + right arrow to read by character.

It may also be possible to read by character using only the arrow keys, and by 
word using Option + arrow keys.  When using this method, you can also hold down 
the shift key to select text as you press the arrow keys.

Note:  methods described above may or may not work in all situations.  You are 
advised to experiment and use your problem solving skills.

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On Dec 16, 2020, at 16:32, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:

Hi  everyone I need some help please. I’ve asked on a few lists and haven’t 
gotten a streight answer. Please forgive my ignorance but I don’t know what 
else to do or where to ask.
I understand that on the mac there are maybe different commands for different 
applications, having said that, i’m looking for basic reading and text 
selecting commands for such things as how to read and or select text on such 
applications as email, text edit, pages, and of course safari.
Can anyone give me the basic commands for reading by line, word, caracter, 
paragraph, and say all.
also a list of commands for all of the above for selecting text.
Thanks so much for any help provided.
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

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> Hello.
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> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
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> 
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> have been asked, I apologise.
> 
> Here are my questions below.
> 
> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack rather 
> than folder and I can’t change it.
> 
> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
> name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press command 
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Re: Strange issue with VoiceOver.

[Brad Snyder]

I have been using a Mac since OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion), and in my experience, 
auto-QuickNav on/off has only existed in iOS.
On the Mac, if you want to type with QuickNav on, you need to make sure that 
Quick Key Navigation is turned off using VO + Q.

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On Dec 16, 2020, at 17:22, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

QuickNav will auto toggle off (just like in IOS) when you have the VO Cursor 
inside a text input field on the web. My memory is that five years ago, when 
composing e-mails (probably High Sierra ) the auto-toggling of QuickNav 
happened in TextEdit and Mail also. So, perhaps it is a bug, but it has been so 
long since this behaved the way I like, that I doubt it will ever change back. 
This is one reason, I prefer using a full keyboard with a numeric keypad for 
Navigating. I can have single key storkes that do most of my navigation without 
remembering if QuickNav mode is on or off.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 16, 2020, at 18:06, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
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> Hi!
> I wonder if its a feature or a bug?
> Really strange.
> /A
> 
>> 16 dec. 2020 kl. 21:00 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> In my experience, Anders, if quick nav is on, I could never type in text 
>> boxes.  I have to disable quick nav in order to enter text in text boxes.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 19:57, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I  seem to have changed some setting on my Mac that makes quicknav to stop 
>>> the ability to type in textfields.
>>> Also YouTube shortcuts does not work if I have quicknav turned off.
>>> Any thoughts on this?
>>> /A
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Re: Strange issue with VoiceOver.

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QuickNav will auto toggle off (just like in IOS) when you have the VO Cursor 
inside a text input field on the web. My memory is that five years ago, when 
composing e-mails (probably High Sierra ) the auto-toggling of QuickNav 
happened in TextEdit and Mail also. So, perhaps it is a bug, but it has been so 
long since this behaved the way I like, that I doubt it will ever change back. 
This is one reason, I prefer using a full keyboard with a numeric keypad for 
Navigating. I can have single key storkes that do most of my navigation without 
remembering if QuickNav mode is on or off.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 16, 2020, at 18:06, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I wonder if its a feature or a bug?
> Really strange.
> /A
> 
>> 16 dec. 2020 kl. 21:00 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> In my experience, Anders, if quick nav is on, I could never type in text 
>> boxes.  I have to disable quick nav in order to enter text in text boxes.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 19:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I  seem to have changed some setting on my Mac that makes quicknav to stop 
>>> the ability to type in textfields.
>>> Also YouTube shortcuts does not work if I have quicknav turned off.
>>> Any thoughts on this?
>>> /A
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Re: Strange issue with VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I wonder if its a feature or a bug?
Really strange.
/A

> 16 dec. 2020 kl. 21:00 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> In my experience, Anders, if quick nav is on, I could never type in text 
> boxes.  I have to disable quick nav in order to enter text in text boxes.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 19:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I  seem to have changed some setting on my Mac that makes quicknav to stop 
>> the ability to type in textfields.
>> Also YouTube shortcuts does not work if I have quicknav turned off.
>> Any thoughts on this?
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
When in finder you can use option command l to open the downloads folder.
Hope that helps.
/A

> 16 dec. 2020 kl. 19:13 skrev John Panarese :
> 
>   How are you doing this? Through Finder? If it’s Finder, what view are you 
> using? If you are doing this through the Dock, there is a bug in Big Sur in 
> regard to triggering the context menu.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello John.
>> 
>> When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. I 
>> did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the folder 
>> list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I am doing 
>> wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all my folders 
>> open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to do shift 
>> voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not happening
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
>>> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific area 
>>> you mean?
>>> 
>>> As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
>>> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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 On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
 hopefully someone can help.
 
 I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions 
 have been asked, I apologise.
 
 Here are my questions below.
 
 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
 changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
 rather than folder and I can’t change it.
 
 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
 name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press 
 command enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body 
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help with text reading and selecting commands

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi  everyone I need some help please. I’ve asked on a few lists and haven’t 
gotten a streight answer. Please forgive my ignorance but I don’t know what 
else to do or where to ask.
I understand that on the mac there are maybe different commands for different 
applications, having said that, i’m looking for basic reading and text 
selecting commands for such things as how to read and or select text on such 
applications as email, text edit, pages, and of course safari.
Can anyone give me the basic commands for reading by line, word, caracter, 
paragraph, and say all.
also a list of commands for all of the above for selecting text.
Thanks so much for any help provided.
Regards
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Re: Strange issue with VoiceOver.

[Brad Snyder]

Try using VO + Q, to toggle Quick Key navigation off.

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On Dec 16, 2020, at 14:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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In my experience, Anders, if quick nav is on, I could never type in text boxes. 
 I have to disable quick nav in order to enter text in text boxes.

Andrew
> On 16 Dec 2020, at 19:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> I  seem to have changed some setting on my Mac that makes quicknav to stop 
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> Also YouTube shortcuts does not work if I have quicknav turned off.
> Any thoughts on this?
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Re: Strange issue with VoiceOver.

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In my experience, Anders, if quick nav is on, I could never type in text boxes. 
 I have to disable quick nav in order to enter text in text boxes.

Andrew
> On 16 Dec 2020, at 19:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Also YouTube shortcuts does not work if I have quicknav turned off.
> Any thoughts on this?
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Strange issue with VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I  seem to have changed some setting on my Mac that makes quicknav to stop the 
ability to type in textfields.
Also YouTube shortcuts does not work if I have quicknav turned off.
Any thoughts on this?
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Re: Announcing the time on the quarter hour etc via Voice over.

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  I don’t know. It’s a complete change.


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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 2:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thank you very much John.
> 
> Why do we get this dock preferences bar as that makes no sense.
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>> You have to choose, Dock and Menu Bar, from System preferences. Interact 
>> with the table and navigate all the way down to, Clock. Stop interacting and 
>> navigate a bit to the right. There is a checkbox for announcing a time and a 
>> popup menu for the frequency.
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>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi.
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>>> It’s my day of questions!
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>>> I use to have voice over announcing the time for me which I use to change 
>>> in the time preferences.  I have tried looking for this option and have 
>>> also looked in the voice over utility option for it but I can’t find it.
>>> 
>>> If someone can tell me where it is now please as it’s not in the usual 
>>> place of time and date preferences even though it’s showing but I can’t get 
>>> to it thank you.
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Re: Announcing the time on the quarter hour etc via Voice over.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much John.

Why do we get this dock preferences bar as that makes no sense.

Kawal.
> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:49, John Panarese  wrote:
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>  You have to choose, Dock and Menu Bar, from System preferences. Interact 
> with the table and navigate all the way down to, Clock. Stop interacting and 
> navigate a bit to the right. There is a checkbox for announcing a time and a 
> popup menu for the frequency.
> 
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi.
>> 
>> It’s my day of questions!
>> 
>> I use to have voice over announcing the time for me which I use to change in 
>> the time preferences.  I have tried looking for this option and have also 
>> looked in the voice over utility option for it but I can’t find it.
>> 
>> If someone can tell me where it is now please as it’s not in the usual place 
>> of time and date preferences even though it’s showing but I can’t get to it 
>> thank you.
>> 
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Re: Announcing the time on the quarter hour etc via Voice over.

[John Panarese]

  You have to choose, Dock and Menu Bar, from System preferences. Interact with 
the table and navigate all the way down to, Clock. Stop interacting and 
navigate a bit to the right. There is a checkbox for announcing a time and a 
popup menu for the frequency.


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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> It’s my day of questions!
> 
> I use to have voice over announcing the time for me which I use to change in 
> the time preferences.  I have tried looking for this option and have also 
> looked in the voice over utility option for it but I can’t find it.
> 
> If someone can tell me where it is now please as it’s not in the usual place 
> of time and date preferences even though it’s showing but I can’t get to it 
> thank you.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks very much John.

I have learnt something new today.

May be I should ask you to help me with a training session if you have the time 
at some point, we can discuss off list perhaps.

I’ll send you a private mail.

Thanks.

Kawal.

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:25, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  I would simply do it through the Finder interface. Open Finder windows 
> directly. For example, command-option-l opens the downloads folder. 
> Command-shift-o, opens Docments.   
> 
>  I usually open Finder windows separately. In other words, either by direct 
> keyboard commands, navigating the Finder or using Command-n to open a new 
> Finder window and then using command-accent to switch between the open 
> windows.
> 
> 
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:18 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Yes, was doing it in the Doc, in finder.  How else to do this please John?  
>> How can I open folders as folders and not stacks, also, should I get folders 
>> to open in separate windows or tabs and should folders be kept on top?
>> 
>> Sorry for a string of questions!
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:13, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How are you doing this? Through Finder? If it’s Finder, what view are you 
>>> using? If you are doing this through the Dock, there is a bug in Big Sur in 
>>> regard to triggering the context menu.
>>> 
>>> 
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 On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello John.
 
 When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. 
 I did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the 
 folder list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I 
 am doing wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all 
 my folders open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to 
 do shift voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not 
 happening
 
> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific 
> area you mean?
> 
> As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
>> hopefully someone can help.
>> 
>> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these 
>> questions have been asked, I apologise.
>> 
>> Here are my questions below.
>> 
>> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
>> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
>> rather than folder and I can’t change it.
>> 
>> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the 
>> contact name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to 
>> press command enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to 
>> the body of the message.  Is there a better way?
>> 
>> Thanks for the help.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Announcing the time on the quarter hour etc via Voice over.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

It’s my day of questions!

I use to have voice over announcing the time for me which I use to change in 
the time preferences.  I have tried looking for this option and have also 
looked in the voice over utility option for it but I can’t find it.

If someone can tell me where it is now please as it’s not in the usual place of 
time and date preferences even though it’s showing but I can’t get to it thank 
you.

Kawal.

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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

[John Panarese]

  I would simply do it through the Finder interface. Open Finder windows 
directly. For example, command-option-l opens the downloads folder. 
Command-shift-o, opens Docments.   

  I usually open Finder windows separately. In other words, either by direct 
keyboard commands, navigating the Finder or using Command-n to open a new 
Finder window and then using command-accent to switch between the open windows.


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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:18 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, was doing it in the Doc, in finder.  How else to do this please John?  
> How can I open folders as folders and not stacks, also, should I get folders 
> to open in separate windows or tabs and should folders be kept on top?
> 
> Sorry for a string of questions!
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:13, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  How are you doing this? Through Finder? If it’s Finder, what view are you 
>> using? If you are doing this through the Dock, there is a bug in Big Sur in 
>> regard to triggering the context menu.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello John.
>>> 
>>> When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. 
>>> I did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the 
>>> folder list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I 
>>> am doing wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all 
>>> my folders open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to do 
>>> shift voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not 
>>> happening
>>> 
 On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
 
    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
 opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific 
 area you mean?
 
 As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
 should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
> hopefully someone can help.
> 
> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these 
> questions have been asked, I apologise.
> 
> Here are my questions below.
> 
> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
> rather than folder and I can’t change it.
> 
> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the 
> contact name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to 
> press command enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the 
> body of the message.  Is there a better way?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, was doing it in the Doc, in finder.  How else to do this please John?  How 
can I open folders as folders and not stacks, also, should I get folders to 
open in separate windows or tabs and should folders be kept on top?

Sorry for a string of questions!

Kawal.

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:13, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   How are you doing this? Through Finder? If it’s Finder, what view are you 
> using? If you are doing this through the Dock, there is a bug in Big Sur in 
> regard to triggering the context menu.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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> 
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello John.
>> 
>> When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. I 
>> did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the folder 
>> list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I am doing 
>> wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all my folders 
>> open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to do shift 
>> voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not happening
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
>>> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific area 
>>> you mean?
>>> 
>>> As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
>>> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
 hopefully someone can help.
 
 I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions 
 have been asked, I apologise.
 
 Here are my questions below.
 
 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
 changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
 rather than folder and I can’t change it.
 
 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
 name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press 
 command enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body 
 of the message.  Is there a better way?
 
 Thanks for the help.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

[John Panarese]

   How are you doing this? Through Finder? If it’s Finder, what view are you 
using? If you are doing this through the Dock, there is a bug in Big Sur in 
regard to triggering the context menu.


Take Care

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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello John.
> 
> When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. I 
> did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the folder 
> list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I am doing 
> wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all my folders 
> open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to do shift 
> voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not happening
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
>> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific area 
>> you mean?
>> 
>>  As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
>> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
>>> hopefully someone can help.
>>> 
>>> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions 
>>> have been asked, I apologise.
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions below.
>>> 
>>> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
>>> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
>>> rather than folder and I can’t change it.
>>> 
>>> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
>>> name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press command 
>>> enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body of the 
>>> message.  Is there a better way?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello John.

When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. I 
did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the folder 
list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I am doing 
wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all my folders 
open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to do shift 
voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not happening

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific area 
> you mean?
> 
>   As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
>> hopefully someone can help.
>> 
>> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions 
>> have been asked, I apologise.
>> 
>> Here are my questions below.
>> 
>> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
>> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
>> rather than folder and I can’t change it.
>> 
>> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
>> name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press command 
>> enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body of the 
>> message.  Is there a better way?
>> 
>> Thanks for the help.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

[John Panarese]

   I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still opens 
context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific area you mean?

   As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.


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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
> hopefully someone can help.
> 
> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions 
> have been asked, I apologise.
> 
> Here are my questions below.
> 
> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack rather 
> than folder and I can’t change it.
> 
> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
> name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press command 
> enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body of the 
> message.  Is there a better way?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Fire fox 85 testing requested

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I second Tracy’s request. I used Firefox years ago, but abandoned it in favor 
of Chrome on the PC and Safari on the Mac.
Cheers,
Donna


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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been curious about using alternative browsers on Mac OS. Can you share 
> some of the benefits? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
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>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>> The fire fox team at Mozilla is requesting that voiceover users try the new 
>> fire fox that came out today with voiceover. I can send log entries if 
>> anybody wants more details.
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Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
hopefully someone can help.

I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions have 
been asked, I apologise.

Here are my questions below.

1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has changed 
so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack rather than 
folder and I can’t change it.

2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact name 
in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press command enter 
and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body of the message.  Is 
there a better way?

Thanks for the help.

Kawal.

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Re: Fire fox 85 testing requested

[Traci Duncan]

I’ve been curious about using alternative browsers on Mac OS. Can you share 
some of the benefits? 

Thanks,
Traci


> On Dec 15, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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