Re: When Safari gives you a password, how do you put it in the websites?

[Herbie Allen]

Depending on the model of your Mac, you can also use the finger print sensor. 
Once you are on a user name edit field, Safari will give you the option to use 
Touch ID. Put your finger on the sensor and it does the rest!

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 09:23, Vinny Pedulla  wrote:
> 
> Also pressing command shift a while you are on the user name field will 
> automatically enter the username and password, if it is available. Another 
> method is to arrow down, while you’re in one of the fields and the suggested 
> passwords will also appear. and pressing return will except the choice.
> Hope that helps,
> 
> 
> Vinny
> Email: vinnypedu...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:22 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>> 
>> There's a button on screen that VoiceOver reads as "Password." If you press 
>> that button, a window will open with suggestions. Move to the one you want 
>> and press RETURN to use it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/19/2020 4:51 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hello. I have just started using the method where when you do signing to an 
>>> account or make a new account Safari is filling in the password for you by 
>>> giving you a strong password.
>>> 
>>> So when you do go back into the website, how do you get the Safari to put 
>>> in the password for you or does that happen automatically?
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much. I have been dictating this message using Siri so I 
>>> apologise if there is anything wrong with it.
>>> 
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Re: VoiceOver Preview for macOS Firefox - Mozilla Accessibility

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm excited about this. when I used windows I preferred Firefox to any other 
browser. now maybe I'll be able to use it again. always nice to have more than 
1.

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I finally tracked down the article.
> https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/voiceover-preview-for-macos-firefox/ 
> 
> 
> VoiceOver Preview for macOS Firefox
> 
> Asa Dotzler 
> December 15, 
> 2020
> For the better part of two decades, Mozilla has been building browsers that 
> are highly accessible for users with disabilities. While we’ve worked to 
> ensure that people with a wide range of disabilities can participate on the 
> web, much of our engineering effort has been focused on improvements for 
> screen readers, an assistive technology that allows blind users to engage 
> with computers through synthesized speech or a braille display. 
> 
> On Windows, Firefox supports the two most popular screen readers 
> , NVDA and JAWS. On 
> Linux, Firefox works with the Orca screen reader. On Android, Firefox users 
> have their pick of Google’s Talkback or Samsung’s Voice Assistant. And on 
> iOS, Firefox users can work with the built-in VoiceOver screen reader. 
> 
> That brings us to macOS. About 15 years ago, Apple introduced a built-in 
> screen reader to macOS called VoiceOver. There were a couple of efforts to 
> get Firefox working with VoiceOver but it never reached a usable state. Mac 
> was the one major Firefox platform that simply wasn’t accessible to blind 
> users. 
> 
> At the beginning of 2020, we set out to fix that. Three members of the 
> accessibility engineering team, Morgan, Eitan, and Marco, put together a one 
> year plan  to deliver solid 
> VoiceOver screen reader support on macOS. In February, the team started work 
> in earnest. The first steps were to build tools for reverse engineering the 
> under-documented macOS and VoiceOver APIs. Over the next ten versions of 
> Firefox, the team would implement VO features, fix bugs, and perform all 
> kinds of testing to verify that features and fixes were working as expected 
> and to document the remaining gaps. 
> 
> Now here we are at Firefox 85 Beta 
>  and we’re almost 
> done. Firefox supports all the most common VoiceOver features and with plenty 
> of performance. Users should be able to navigate through most web content and 
> all of the browser’s primary interface without problems. But we’re not quite 
> done yet. The web is huge and the browser interface is wide and deep so we 
> need more people putting Firefox and VoiceOver to the test and letting us 
> know what’s working and not working before we can call it done. 
> 
> This is where you come in. If you’re a part time or full time screen reader 
> user on macOS, we’d love for you to update to Firefox 85 Beta 
>  and give it a spin 
> with VoiceOver. We expect you’ll find it pretty solid but there are a few 
> known issues, like VoiceOver search 
>  not working, and 
> Firefox sub-menus  and 
> tree views expanded/collapsed state 
>  not being announced. 
> And there are no doubt use cases we haven’t considered or tested so you may 
> find additional bugs or feature gaps and we’re counting on you to tell us all 
> about those so we can complete this work as soon as possible. Please report 
> any bugs you find to Bugzilla 
> 
>  and if you’d like to chat about what’s working and not working for you, you 
> can find us on Matrix 
> . We look forward 
> to hearing from you. 
> 
> What’s next? We’re going to watch for your feedback and address any 
> significant issues that you surface. With your help, in a release or two 
> we’ll be able to call VoiceOver support complete and we can move on to other 
> features and fixes from our roadmap 
> .
> 
> 
> 
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Re: VoiceOver Preview for macOS Firefox - Mozilla Accessibility

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for providing this article.   Its interesting because on another 
list   folks having paypal problems indicate Firefox is the only windows 
solution.
I hope talent on this list help them out.  Specifically, how are they 
addressing  Captcha problems in this new Firefox?

best,
Karen



On Sat, 19 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


I finally tracked down the article.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/voiceover-preview-for-macos-firefox/

VoiceOver Preview for macOS Firefox
Asa DotzlerDecember 15, 2020
For the better part of two decades, Mozilla has been building browsers that are 
highly accessible for users with disabilities. While we???ve worked to ensure 
that people with a wide range of disabilities can participate on the web, much 
of our engineering effort has been focused on improvements for screen readers, 
an assistive technology that allows blind users to engage with computers 
through synthesized speech or a braille display.

On Windows, Firefox supports the two most popular screen readers, NVDA and 
JAWS. On Linux, Firefox works with the Orca screen reader. On Android, Firefox 
users have their pick of Google???s Talkback or Samsung???s Voice Assistant. 
And on iOS, Firefox users can work with the built-in VoiceOver screen reader.

That brings us to macOS. About 15 years ago, Apple introduced a built-in screen 
reader to macOS called VoiceOver. There were a couple of efforts to get Firefox 
working with VoiceOver but it never reached a usable state. Mac was the one 
major Firefox platform that simply wasn???t accessible to blind users.

At the beginning of 2020, we set out to fix that. Three members of the 
accessibility engineering team, Morgan, Eitan, and Marco, put together a one 
year plan to deliver solid VoiceOver screen reader support on macOS. In 
February, the team started work in earnest. The first steps were to build tools 
for reverse engineering the under-documented macOS and VoiceOver APIs. Over the 
next ten versions of Firefox, the team would implement VO features, fix bugs, 
and perform all kinds of testing to verify that features and fixes were working 
as expected and to document the remaining gaps.

Now here we are at Firefox 85 Beta and we???re almost done. Firefox supports 
all the most common VoiceOver features and with plenty of performance. Users 
should be able to navigate through most web content and all of the browser???s 
primary interface without problems. But we???re not quite done yet. The web is 
huge and the browser interface is wide and deep so we need more people putting 
Firefox and VoiceOver to the test and letting us know what???s working and not 
working before we can call it done.

This is where you come in. If you???re a part time or full time screen reader 
user on macOS, we???d love for you to update to Firefox 85 Beta and give it a 
spin with VoiceOver. We expect you???ll find it pretty solid but there are a 
few known issues, like VoiceOver search not working, and Firefox sub-menus and 
tree views expanded/collapsed state not being announced. And there are no doubt 
use cases we haven???t considered or tested so you may find additional bugs or 
feature gaps and we???re counting on you to tell us all about those so we can 
complete this work as soon as possible. Please report any bugs you find to 
Bugzilla and if you???d like to chat about what???s working and not working for 
you, you can find us on Matrix. We look forward to hearing from you.

What???s next? We???re going to watch for your feedback and address any 
significant issues that you surface. With your help, in a release or two 
we???ll be able to call VoiceOver support complete and we can move on to other 
features and fixes from our roadmap.



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VoiceOver Preview for macOS Firefox - Mozilla Accessibility

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I finally tracked down the article.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/voiceover-preview-for-macos-firefox/

VoiceOver Preview for macOS Firefox
Asa DotzlerDecember 15, 2020
For the better part of two decades, Mozilla has been building browsers that are 
highly accessible for users with disabilities. While we’ve worked to ensure 
that people with a wide range of disabilities can participate on the web, much 
of our engineering effort has been focused on improvements for screen readers, 
an assistive technology that allows blind users to engage with computers 
through synthesized speech or a braille display.

On Windows, Firefox supports the two most popular screen readers, NVDA and 
JAWS. On Linux, Firefox works with the Orca screen reader. On Android, Firefox 
users have their pick of Google’s Talkback or Samsung’s Voice Assistant. And on 
iOS, Firefox users can work with the built-in VoiceOver screen reader.

That brings us to macOS. About 15 years ago, Apple introduced a built-in screen 
reader to macOS called VoiceOver. There were a couple of efforts to get Firefox 
working with VoiceOver but it never reached a usable state. Mac was the one 
major Firefox platform that simply wasn’t accessible to blind users.

At the beginning of 2020, we set out to fix that. Three members of the 
accessibility engineering team, Morgan, Eitan, and Marco, put together a one 
year plan to deliver solid VoiceOver screen reader support on macOS. In 
February, the team started work in earnest. The first steps were to build tools 
for reverse engineering the under-documented macOS and VoiceOver APIs. Over the 
next ten versions of Firefox, the team would implement VO features, fix bugs, 
and perform all kinds of testing to verify that features and fixes were working 
as expected and to document the remaining gaps.

Now here we are at Firefox 85 Beta and we’re almost done. Firefox supports all 
the most common VoiceOver features and with plenty of performance. Users should 
be able to navigate through most web content and all of the browser’s primary 
interface without problems. But we’re not quite done yet. The web is huge and 
the browser interface is wide and deep so we need more people putting Firefox 
and VoiceOver to the test and letting us know what’s working and not working 
before we can call it done.

This is where you come in. If you’re a part time or full time screen reader 
user on macOS, we’d love for you to update to Firefox 85 Beta and give it a 
spin with VoiceOver. We expect you’ll find it pretty solid but there are a few 
known issues, like VoiceOver search not working, and Firefox sub-menus and tree 
views expanded/collapsed state not being announced. And there are no doubt use 
cases we haven’t considered or tested so you may find additional bugs or 
feature gaps and we’re counting on you to tell us all about those so we can 
complete this work as soon as possible. Please report any bugs you find to 
Bugzilla and if you’d like to chat about what’s working and not working for 
you, you can find us on Matrix. We look forward to hearing from you.

What’s next? We’re going to watch for your feedback and address any significant 
issues that you surface. With your help, in a release or two we’ll be able to 
call VoiceOver support complete and we can move on to other features and fixes 
from our roadmap.



Sent from my iPhone

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Re: When Safari gives you a password, how do you put it in the websites?

[Vinny Pedulla]

Also pressing command shift a while you are on the user name field will 
automatically enter the username and password, if it is available. Another 
method is to arrow down, while you’re in one of the fields and the suggested 
passwords will also appear. and pressing return will except the choice.
Hope that helps,


Vinny
Email: vinnypedu...@gmail.com

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:22 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> There's a button on screen that VoiceOver reads as "Password." If you press 
> that button, a window will open with suggestions. Move to the one you want 
> and press RETURN to use it.
> 
> 
>> On 12/19/2020 4:51 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello. I have just started using the method where when you do signing to an 
>> account or make a new account Safari is filling in the password for you by 
>> giving you a strong password.
>> 
>> So when you do go back into the website, how do you get the Safari to put in 
>> the password for you or does that happen automatically?
>> 
>> Thank you very much. I have been dictating this message using Siri so I 
>> apologise if there is anything wrong with it.
>> 
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Re: Firefox updates.

[Mike Arrigo]

The voiceover support in Firefox is coming along nicely. There are still a few 
gaps with how it works but it's definitely useable. And certainly having 
another accessible browser on the mac is a good thing.

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> A couple folks have asked me about why use firefox. I was going to grab some 
> information I had received in a different channel about Firefox and VoiceOver 
> support, but have not had a chance. Perhaps over the weekend, that will be 
> possible.
> but in terms of Safari vs Firefox I believe that Firefox more closely follows 
> the updates to  web standards. There are a couple places where the 
> accessibility development community has had to say you can't use this 
> technique if you plan to support VoiceOver on Macintosh. Hopefully, with 
> Firefox we can get more sites that we can access. Also, you might want to 
> reserve your banking activities to a browser different from news and 
> entertainment. Perhaps on  Youtube you have an extension that allows you to 
> downloads movies but you did not pay for the extension, so it is probably 
> getting paid by looking at your browsing habits and sharing that with 
> advertisers. Better to have a Browser free of such stuff for your money.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
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Re: When Safari gives you a password, how do you put it in the websites?

[Steve Matzura]

There's a button on screen that VoiceOver reads as "Password." If you 
press that button, a window will open with suggestions. Move to the one 
you want and press RETURN to use it.



On 12/19/2020 4:51 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hello. I have just started using the method where when you do signing to an 
account or make a new account Safari is filling in the password for you by 
giving you a strong password.

So when you do go back into the website, how do you get the Safari to put in 
the password for you or does that happen automatically?

Thank you very much. I have been dictating this message using Siri so I 
apologise if there is anything wrong with it.



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Re: Numbers on EcoBee main screen on iPhone?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for the thorough response, Brad.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Yes, I find the Honeywell Total Comfort Connect thermostat app to be almost 
> 100% accessible using VoiceOver on my iPhone.
> I have had a Honeywell thermostat and the TCC app for about 6 years, and the 
> accessibility has gotten better as time has gone on to the point that I can’t 
> think of anything I can’t do when using the app.
> I highly recommend the Honeywell accessible thermostat and the TCC system.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 13:49, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brad:
> 
> Would you give your Honeywell and its app high marks for accessibility?
> 
> I'm currently on the latest NEST (from October of this year), but
> recovering from errors is a concern. I switched from the earlier Nest
> Learning thermostat because of error recovery accessibility. The latest
> generation looks more reliable that way, basically just pull the two
> triple AAA batteries for a couple minutes.
> 
> However, that get out of jail routine didn't work for me when I adjusted
> back to a single ESSID for both my 5G and 2.4G wifi networks. My Nest
> was on 5, so should have come back up without a hitch, imo, but it
> didn't.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
> > Could be the indoor or maybe the outdoor temperature. Could also be indoor 
> > humidity. These are all things that show up on my Honeywell app screen.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:31, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Is anyone else using the EcoBee thermostat app on their iPhone? If yes, on 
> > the main screen, there are two numbers displayed that appear to be related 
> > to thermostat temperature, but I can't tell what they represent. Does 
> > anyone know?
> > TIA,
> > Donna
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When Safari gives you a password, how do you put it in the websites?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello. I have just started using the method where when you do signing to an 
account or make a new account Safari is filling in the password for you by 
giving you a strong password.

So when you do go back into the website, how do you get the Safari to put in 
the password for you or does that happen automatically?

Thank you very much. I have been dictating this message using Siri so I 
apologise if there is anything wrong with it.

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