How to select a camera on tinychat??

2021-05-28 Thread Dionipher Herrera
Hello  guys, is  someone of you using the tinychat site? cause i can’t 
broadcast  on the chatrooms by selecting  the cameras or the mic
The site is tinychat.com

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Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

2021-05-28 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

When a battery is swollen, the contents within the battery are reacting in a 
manner that is causing the battery to expand.  If the process is left long 
enough, the battery casing will give way and the contents will leak.  
Sometimes, this is gradual, sometimes this is dramatic.  Of course, the 
contents of the battery are often corrosive and possibly toxic, so addressing 
it before the leak or burst is preferred.

The difficulty with this age of MacBook Air is actually finding the battery.  
When my son needed to replace the screen on his 2012 MacBook Pro in 2014, I was 
able to find a replacement for less than $300.  The same model of MacBook Pro 
of a friend in 2017 was much more challenging to find a screen for.  The best 
price I could find was over $600.  As computers get older, it is often 
difficult to source parts, thus the price goes up.  I also have a surplus 2012 
MacBook Pro 15” that I use when testing in Catalina that needs a new battery.  
Our parts people cannot source the battery anywhere.  Other than the battery, 
there’s nothing wrong with the MBP, but it’s battery only lasts about half an 
hour now so is more of a desktop than a laptop.

Yes, going to the Apple Store, or any Apple Authorized Service Provider is 
worth the try, but don’t be surprised if the battery is unavailable.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 28, 2021, at 6:30 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> In my case, the old iPhone SE screen was uneven to the point where I thought 
> it would come loose and fall off.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jessica Moss
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:29 AM
> To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011
> 
> Ok, what in the world is a swollen battery, and what are the causes of 
> it/signs to look for that you have one?  I’ve never heard of this.
> 
>> On May 28, 2021, at 8:15 AM,   
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I had a swolen battery on an old iPhone SE and took it to my carrier at the 
>> time and had to replace the phone so it is probably a good idea to go to 
>> Apple's store.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011
>> 
>> I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a 
>> couple years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't close.
>> 
>> The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue since. My 
>> total cost was just over $200 as I recall.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Traci Duncan writes:
>>> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine 
>>> last fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
>>> 
>>> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
>>> 
 On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
 should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
 I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
 Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
 provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
 replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s 
 no damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, 
 my thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
 finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
 figured out.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift 
 Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Al,
> 
> Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
> Store will still do?
> 
> My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
> my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is 
> also nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
> 
> What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
> cost.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
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RE: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

2021-05-28 Thread skipper8218
In my case, the old iPhone SE screen was uneven to the point where I thought it 
would come loose and fall off.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jessica Moss
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:29 AM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

Ok, what in the world is a swollen battery, and what are the causes of it/signs 
to look for that you have one?  I’ve never heard of this.

> On May 28, 2021, at 8:15 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I had a swolen battery on an old iPhone SE and took it to my carrier at the 
> time and had to replace the phone so it is probably a good idea to go to 
> Apple's store.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011
> 
> I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a 
> couple years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't close.
> 
> The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue since. My 
> total cost was just over $200 as I recall.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Traci Duncan writes:
>> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine last 
>> fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
>> 
>> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
>>> should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
>>> I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
>>> Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
>>> provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
>>> replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s no 
>>> damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, my 
>>> thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
>>> finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
>>> figured out.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift 
>>> Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Al,
 
 Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
 Store will still do?
 
 My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
 my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is also 
 nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
 
 What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
 cost.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

2021-05-28 Thread Jessica Moss
Ok, what in the world is a swollen battery, and what are the causes of it/signs 
to look for that you have one?  I’ve never heard of this.

> On May 28, 2021, at 8:15 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I had a swolen battery on an old iPhone SE and took it to my carrier at the 
> time and had to replace the phone so it is probably a good idea to go to 
> Apple's store.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011
> 
> I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a 
> couple years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't close.
> 
> The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue since. My 
> total cost was just over $200 as I recall.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Traci Duncan writes:
>> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine last 
>> fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
>> 
>> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
>>> should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
>>> I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
>>> Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
>>> provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
>>> replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s no 
>>> damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, my 
>>> thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
>>> finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
>>> figured out.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift 
>>> Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Al,
 
 Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
 Store will still do?
 
 My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
 my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is also 
 nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
 
 What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
 cost.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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RE: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

2021-05-28 Thread skipper8218
I had a swolen battery on an old iPhone SE and took it to my carrier at the 
time and had to replace the phone so it is probably a good idea to go to 
Apple's store.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a couple 
years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't close.

The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue since. My 
total cost was just over $200 as I recall.

Best,

Janina

Traci Duncan writes:
> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine last 
> fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
> 
> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
> > On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
> > should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
> > I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
> > Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
> > provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
> > replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s no 
> > damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, my 
> > thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
> > finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
> > figured out.
> > 
> > Later…
> > 
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift 
> > Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> >> On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Al,
> >> 
> >> Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
> >> Store will still do?
> >> 
> >> My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
> >> my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is also 
> >> nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
> >> 
> >> What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
> >> cost.
> >> 
> >> Thank you,
> >> Traci
> >> 
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Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

2021-05-28 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a
couple years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't
close.

The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue
since. My total cost was just over $200 as I recall.

Best,

Janina

Traci Duncan writes:
> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine last 
> fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
> 
> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
> > On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
> > should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
> > I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
> > Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
> > provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
> > replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s no 
> > damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, my 
> > thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
> > finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
> > figured out.
> > 
> > Later…
> > 
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> >> On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Al,
> >> 
> >> Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
> >> Store will still do?
> >> 
> >> My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
> >> my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is also 
> >> nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
> >> 
> >> What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
> >> cost.
> >> 
> >> Thank you,
> >> Traci
> >> 
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