Trying to restore a MacBook Pro

[Dave Carlson]

Had a major crash on my MacBook Pro. It would not start up after trying to 
switch from one operating system to another. Only the Apple came up, and then 
an apple with a line through it and then it would shut off again. I found out 
that I need to hold down option plus command plus are during the start up. I 
did that, and after my wife helped with selecting a Wi-Fi network and the 
passphrase, it is now showing that it is progressing. Can anyone tell me what I 
would need to do next, or if it will complete itself and come back up with 
voiceover speaking? Any help greatly appreciate it. 

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician

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Re: Turning Voiceover On at startup

[Herbie Allen]

It’s under users in System Preferences.

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> I can’t remember where to go to do this. My friend would like it to start at 
> the log-in screen, and even after much scouring of my brain I can’t remember 
> where that setting lurks.
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Turning Voiceover On at startup

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I can’t remember where to go to do this. My friend would like it to start at 
the log-in screen, and even after much scouring of my brain I can’t remember 
where that setting lurks.

Kristeen

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Re: Major problem with Monterey installer if you use vo.

[Mike Arrigo]

I had the same issue with the Big Sur install as well. As you said, there is no 
way around it, I have to keep a mouse around for that purpose. Once you get to 
the install screen you can disconnect it but yes, you will need to connect a 
mouse or track pad to continue.

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:38 PM, matthew dyer  
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> Evening Mac users.  I have a Mac mini 2018 and just created a USB installer 
> and was able to boot from it.  However, I have found a major bug that I would 
> consider  a show stopper if uou want to do a clean install.  If you do not 
> have a mouse or trackpad, There is a window that comes up which has a mouse 
> image and a trackpad image that seems to be rotating..  No amount of vo shift 
> space or any other keystroke will make it go away.  Has anyone else ran into 
> thisI  intend to report this to apple accessibility, but wanted to see if 
> anyone else had this problem and found a work around.  I think I have an old 
> track pad around somewhere, but it needs batteries as this is an older one 
> from an older iMac which I no longer have.  
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> Thanks.
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Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

OK, I misunderstood you that you needed Windows. I mostly agree in that case; I 
also use Terminal and Linux VMs a lot and rarely need Windows. Even so, I think 
not having it at all would be a problem; there are just some things you need 
Windows for, including, yes, Office apps, but also running software only on 
Windows, like said firmware updater utility. Your situation may differ.

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Re: Changing Default braille table on IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Jonathan,

I can’t begin to imagine how you figured that out, but thank you.  That worked 
like a charm.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 29, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> OK, very convoluted. 
> First press the edit button and delete the US braille table, and then go back 
> to the list of braille tables.
> Now double tab Unified English keyboard and select US braille.
> Finally, press back.
> 
> It is a bit weird that the first braille table in the system can't be 
> added/removed but must be modified, and that one can not change it to a code 
> that is already in the rotor. 
> It would be a lot more intuitive to be able to mark any item in the table as 
> the primary braille code.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2021, at 10:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> I can add and remove tables, but you can’t remove the table that is set as 
>> default.  So, in order to remove the UEB table, I need to change the default 
>> to English US.  That’s what I can’t seem to accomplish.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Right now, my braille tables have English UEB and Hebrew.
>>> You need to go to 
>>> Settings then Accessibility then VoiceOver then braille then braille tables.
>>> Here you should be able to add and remove tables. It looks like for the  
>>> popular braille codes, there is both system translation and libelous tables 
>>> to choose from.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 29, 2021, at 09:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I would like to change my default braille table from English UEB to 
 English US.  Is there a way to do this?  I can change the braille table in 
 the rotor, but I’d actually like to make the US braille table the default, 
 and hopefully just delete the UEB table.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 Cheers,
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Re: A New Mac Mini

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Thank you very much for this piece of advice. It did the trick. I woke up 
wondering if thert was it and then I saw your message. I don’t think you should 
need a mouse, but that’s another E-Mail.

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Try connecting a mouse or trackpad. Even though you don't need one, I believe 
> the Mac will require it.
> I recently set up a new 24 inch M1 iMac for someone, and the computer 
> wouldn't do a thing until I connected a mouse to it.
> Once you get through the initial set up, you can get rid of the mouse or 
> trackpad. The Mac only requires it at the very beginning.
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> On Oct 28, 2021, at 17:57, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> I did. It acts like we are locked out. The little noice happens with any key 
> pressed.
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> Kristeen
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>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Brett Campbell  wrote:
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>> Did you try including function key along with VO F5?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs 
>>> to press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to 
>>> get VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any 
>>> key pressed. Where do we go from here?
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Re: Monitors for Mac mini

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Of course, a Mac Mini is desktop hardware. Although I’ve found the latest M1 
Mini doesn’t require a dummy HDMI adaptor anymore (and, in fact, connecting one 
actually slows it down) there’s no getting away from the thermal limitations of 
a notebook, especially when it’s closed.

Laptops are for travel. (A bit like “Diamonds are Forever”, but different.) You 
can turn a laptop into a desktop, with effort, but it’s still constrained by 
size. The setup cost of a laptop may be lower, and that’s useful for travel, 
but the size is still too large for the performance if you intend on connecting 
a desktop setup (monitor, speakers, keyboard) to it. And, of course, Minis are 
very excellent for monitor-free, keyboard-free uses. Laptops contain batteries, 
but are arguably still too large for certain truly mobile uses (like sitting 
down with them on a lap, in certain cases) and iPads are often preferable. But 
the battery, again, reduces setup costs in certain places and for certain 
times, especially with the M1, and that’s useful for travel, again, especially 
with unpredictable power availability.

If you need a desktop, get a Mini. If you need the monitor included, get an 
iMac, but think twice about doing that unless there’s a good reason—you can 
find monitors cheaply nowadays. You already need decent headphones or speakers, 
whatever you use. Keyboards and trackpads can be wireless. You can use mains 
power at your desktop location.

In my opinion, you should only ever consider a laptop if setup cost is a 
primary factor, i.e. the balance of financial outlay and convenience means that 
having one machine that can move with you is more worthwhile. But, honestly, I 
find that that’s rarely the case. Getting the machines you need and deploying 
them where you need them will, I think, prove much more effective in the long 
run, and you don’t need to compromise on typing experience, screen size (or 
presence), sound quality, or performance.

Cheers,
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RE: Apple Music and Siri versus Amazon Music with Alexa, Just Listen

[M. Taylor]

Hello Donna,

In no way did I take your comments as criticism.  

I do not have my software set to update automatically as I don’t have my 
HomePod on, 24 / 7.  In my case, I had to restart HomePod several times, etc.  
Apple instructed me to manually reset the device, etc.The long and short of 
it is, regardless of others’ pleasant experiences with HomePod setup, mine was 
not.

Fortunately, there is something out there for everyone.

Mark


From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Music and Siri versus Amazon Music with Alexa, Just Listen

Hi, Tim,

I’m so glad you posted this.  Those were my exact thoughts when I read Mark’s 
post.  I love my Homepods, and I love Apple Music.  I’ve never had any of the 
frustrations Mark described, but I do have all my Homepods and Minis set to 
automatically update.  And as for base, I was surprised by Mark’s comments.  I 
consider myself someone who really hates too much base, and I’m quite 
comfortable with the base level on the HomePod.  Of course, one’s tolerance for 
base is subjective, so I’m not saying Mark’s assessment is wrong, just that for 
me, who also prefers lighter base, the HomePod is just fine.

No offense, Mark, no criticism intended here.  We are all entitled to our own 
opinions and the ways in which we use and experience tech are highly 
subjective.  I just wanted to support Tim’s message.
Cheers,
Donna


On Oct 30, 2021, at 9:56 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thanks for sharing your experience.  I will, though, dispel a few possible 
misconceptions pointed out here.

• updating the HomePod.  If you have it set to automatically update software, 
it will just do it in the middle of the night, or some other convenient time 
when you’re not playing music on it.  My two HomePods and two HomePod Minis are 
all up to date with iOS 15 and I have not touched that interface in months.
• as to the difficulty updating them if not set to update automatically, I’d be 
interested in learning why you found it awkward.  Again, when in the Home app, 
this is a straight forward and logical process in my opinion.
• Apple Music has curated playlists as well.  You could say something like “Hey 
Siri, play the best of the 70’s”, and she would do just that.  Well, it’s a 
matter of opinion whether it would actually be the best of the 70’s.  When I 
tested this, I heard a couple of hours of 70’s music, far too much Disco for my 
liking, but some good old 70’s Top 40, like Orleans and Nazareth, even 
including some classic Canadian music like BTO and Gordon Lightfoot.
• if bass isn’t your thing, you may wish to go for the HomePod mini instead of 
the HomePod.  All the same Siri features, a much smaller footprint, much 
cheaper, and not near the bass simply due to its smaller size.

Now, I realize that you were simply sharing your own personal preferences, and 
we are all definitely welcome to our own feelings on such things.  I just 
didn’t want people to think that Apple Music was lacking in some manner 
compared to Amazon Music.  I believe that all these services have their 
benefits and drawbacks, but curated playlists is not one of them.

Lastly, if I was in the US, I’d take the HomePod off your hands as they are 
rather difficult items to get ahold of nowadays.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:49 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

First, the following is just my musings as to my recent discovery regarding
using Homepod with Siri and Echo with Alexa.

Second, this is the first time, since September 27th, that I have felt calm
enough and comfortable enough to write anything other than tech support
questions (smile).

Okay, it has long been my goal to begin using Apple Music on my HomePod in
order to have ambient music throughout my home.  

One reason why I have not yet done this is because of the lack of a
device-specific audio equalizer for HomePod.

For the most part, I had kind of given up on setting up any kind of audio
ambient system in my house if for no other reason than doing so seemed less
and less important.

Okay, now we go back to September 27th, 2021; the day upon which my beloved
Windows 7 PC virtually blew up; while it did not explode, it did, in fact
begin to smoke (smile), no kidding.

For the next two weeks or so, I began my long journey into the world of
Windows 10 on a new desktop PC, Fusion, a new version of iTunes for Windows,
and more.  Add to this the fact that my primary router, which I had been
using for over 10 years, also stopped working during this period.  

You know?  They say that bad things come in threes; I think this is true
because I could not update my beloved iPad Pro 10.5 to iPad 15.1 because 

Re: Apple Music and Siri versus Amazon Music with Alexa, Just Listen

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Tim,

I’m so glad you posted this.  Those were my exact thoughts when I read Mark’s 
post.  I love my Homepods, and I love Apple Music.  I’ve never had any of the 
frustrations Mark described, but I do have all my Homepods and Minis set to 
automatically update.  And as for base, I was surprised by Mark’s comments.  I 
consider myself someone who really hates too much base, and I’m quite 
comfortable with the base level on the HomePod.  Of course, one’s tolerance for 
base is subjective, so I’m not saying Mark’s assessment is wrong, just that for 
me, who also prefers lighter base, the HomePod is just fine.

No offense, Mark, no criticism intended here.  We are all entitled to our own 
opinions and the ways in which we use and experience tech are highly 
subjective.  I just wanted to support Tim’s message.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 30, 2021, at 9:56 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for sharing your experience.  I will, though, dispel a few possible 
> misconceptions pointed out here.
> 
> • updating the HomePod.  If you have it set to automatically update software, 
> it will just do it in the middle of the night, or some other convenient time 
> when you’re not playing music on it.  My two HomePods and two HomePod Minis 
> are all up to date with iOS 15 and I have not touched that interface in 
> months.
> • as to the difficulty updating them if not set to update automatically, I’d 
> be interested in learning why you found it awkward.  Again, when in the Home 
> app, this is a straight forward and logical process in my opinion.
> • Apple Music has curated playlists as well.  You could say something like 
> “Hey Siri, play the best of the 70’s”, and she would do just that.  Well, 
> it’s a matter of opinion whether it would actually be the best of the 70’s.  
> When I tested this, I heard a couple of hours of 70’s music, far too much 
> Disco for my liking, but some good old 70’s Top 40, like Orleans and 
> Nazareth, even including some classic Canadian music like BTO and Gordon 
> Lightfoot.
> • if bass isn’t your thing, you may wish to go for the HomePod mini instead 
> of the HomePod.  All the same Siri features, a much smaller footprint, much 
> cheaper, and not near the bass simply due to its smaller size.
> 
> Now, I realize that you were simply sharing your own personal preferences, 
> and we are all definitely welcome to our own feelings on such things.  I just 
> didn’t want people to think that Apple Music was lacking in some manner 
> compared to Amazon Music.  I believe that all these services have their 
> benefits and drawbacks, but curated playlists is not one of them.
> 
> Lastly, if I was in the US, I’d take the HomePod off your hands as they are 
> rather difficult items to get ahold of nowadays.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:49 PM, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> First, the following is just my musings as to my recent discovery regarding
>> using Homepod with Siri and Echo with Alexa.
>> 
>> Second, this is the first time, since September 27th, that I have felt calm
>> enough and comfortable enough to write anything other than tech support
>> questions (smile).
>> 
>> Okay, it has long been my goal to begin using Apple Music on my HomePod in
>> order to have ambient music throughout my home.  
>> 
>> One reason why I have not yet done this is because of the lack of a
>> device-specific audio equalizer for HomePod.
>> 
>> For the most part, I had kind of given up on setting up any kind of audio
>> ambient system in my house if for no other reason than doing so seemed less
>> and less important.
>> 
>> Okay, now we go back to September 27th, 2021; the day upon which my beloved
>> Windows 7 PC virtually blew up; while it did not explode, it did, in fact
>> begin to smoke (smile), no kidding.
>> 
>> For the next two weeks or so, I began my long journey into the world of
>> Windows 10 on a new desktop PC, Fusion, a new version of iTunes for Windows,
>> and more.  Add to this the fact that my primary router, which I had been
>> using for over 10 years, also stopped working during this period.  
>> 
>> You know?  They say that bad things come in threes; I think this is true
>> because I could not update my beloved iPad Pro 10.5 to iPad 15.1 because it
>> would not / could not get passed the software verification screen.
>> 
>> I write all of this so that you may begin to understand my mind-set which
>> lead me to the Apple Music / Amazon Music decision.
>> 
>> Now let's jump forward to the present.
>> 
>> 1.
>> I purchased a new, bigger better primary router and successfully integrated
>> it into my system.
>> 
>> 2.
>> While I do miss my old beloved Windows 7 PC, although it pains me to admit
>> it, I am definitely beginning to 

Re: Apple Music and Siri versus Amazon Music with Alexa, Just Listen

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for sharing your experience.  I will, though, dispel a few possible 
misconceptions pointed out here.

• updating the HomePod.  If you have it set to automatically update software, 
it will just do it in the middle of the night, or some other convenient time 
when you’re not playing music on it.  My two HomePods and two HomePod Minis are 
all up to date with iOS 15 and I have not touched that interface in months.
• as to the difficulty updating them if not set to update automatically, I’d be 
interested in learning why you found it awkward.  Again, when in the Home app, 
this is a straight forward and logical process in my opinion.
• Apple Music has curated playlists as well.  You could say something like “Hey 
Siri, play the best of the 70’s”, and she would do just that.  Well, it’s a 
matter of opinion whether it would actually be the best of the 70’s.  When I 
tested this, I heard a couple of hours of 70’s music, far too much Disco for my 
liking, but some good old 70’s Top 40, like Orleans and Nazareth, even 
including some classic Canadian music like BTO and Gordon Lightfoot.
• if bass isn’t your thing, you may wish to go for the HomePod mini instead of 
the HomePod.  All the same Siri features, a much smaller footprint, much 
cheaper, and not near the bass simply due to its smaller size.

Now, I realize that you were simply sharing your own personal preferences, and 
we are all definitely welcome to our own feelings on such things.  I just 
didn’t want people to think that Apple Music was lacking in some manner 
compared to Amazon Music.  I believe that all these services have their 
benefits and drawbacks, but curated playlists is not one of them.

Lastly, if I was in the US, I’d take the HomePod off your hands as they are 
rather difficult items to get ahold of nowadays.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:49 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> First, the following is just my musings as to my recent discovery regarding
> using Homepod with Siri and Echo with Alexa.
> 
> Second, this is the first time, since September 27th, that I have felt calm
> enough and comfortable enough to write anything other than tech support
> questions (smile).
> 
> Okay, it has long been my goal to begin using Apple Music on my HomePod in
> order to have ambient music throughout my home.  
> 
> One reason why I have not yet done this is because of the lack of a
> device-specific audio equalizer for HomePod.
> 
> For the most part, I had kind of given up on setting up any kind of audio
> ambient system in my house if for no other reason than doing so seemed less
> and less important.
> 
> Okay, now we go back to September 27th, 2021; the day upon which my beloved
> Windows 7 PC virtually blew up; while it did not explode, it did, in fact
> begin to smoke (smile), no kidding.
> 
> For the next two weeks or so, I began my long journey into the world of
> Windows 10 on a new desktop PC, Fusion, a new version of iTunes for Windows,
> and more.  Add to this the fact that my primary router, which I had been
> using for over 10 years, also stopped working during this period.  
> 
> You know?  They say that bad things come in threes; I think this is true
> because I could not update my beloved iPad Pro 10.5 to iPad 15.1 because it
> would not / could not get passed the software verification screen.
> 
> I write all of this so that you may begin to understand my mind-set which
> lead me to the Apple Music / Amazon Music decision.
> 
> Now let's jump forward to the present.
> 
> 1.
> I purchased a new, bigger better primary router and successfully integrated
> it into my system.
> 
> 2.
> While I do miss my old beloved Windows 7 PC, although it pains me to admit
> it, I am definitely beginning to appreciate all of the accessibility
> advancements made since Windows 10.  Be that as it may, I will never be a
> big fan of any Microsoft product newer than Office 2007 for a host of
> reasons that are too far off-topic for this forum.  I am now running the
> latest version of iTunes for Windows and it's not bad; seems to work well
> with Fusion, I Guess.  What I like most is that I can, once again, backup my
> Apple products without fear of a loss of support.  As an F Y I, as my iTunes
> library is located on a network drive, I did not lose any data due to the
> loss of the old computer.
> 
> 3.
> As difficult  as it is to believe, Apple tech support provided some
> excellent feedback which enabled me to update my beloved iPad Pro to iPad
> 15.1.
> 
> In light of these few but very significant recent successes, I decided that
> it was time to get this home music playback issue, settled, once and for
> all.  Essentially, I want to use my HomePod for something other than an
> overpriced paperweight (smile).
> 
> Now keep in mind that all I want, in terms of music, is 

Re: Monitors for Mac mini

[dan d.]

An existing tv you have with a h d m i input will work if you only need visual 
acces occasionally..

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:

> You should be able to get a decent monitor for under $200 USD pretty much 
> anywhere.
>
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2021, at 17:10, Phil Halton  wrote:
>
> Thanks Brad, it???s been so long since I used a computer monitor that I 
> didn???t even know they were making them anymore. I was considering the mini 
> just as a way to save a few dollars on a new Mac but the cost of the monitor 
> and speakers will probably negate any savings. Probably just as well to buy a 
> MacBook Air which is what I use nowadays anyway. Any thoughts as to 
> advantages of a mini over a MacBook Air?
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> >
> > ???Pretty much any monitor will work.  Be aware that the Mac mini has an 
> > HDMI port, so if the monitor you choose has something other than an HDMI 
> > port, you will need an adapter/dongle to connect the monitor to the 
> > mini???s HDMI port.
> >
> > For example, Apple sells a DVI to HDMI adapter for $29. (see link below)
> >
> > Apple HDMI to DVI Adapter
> > https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MJVU2AM/A?cid=mail%20share 
> > 
> >
> > While I recommend an adapter sold by Apple, there may be alternatives 
> > available from Amazon or other vendors.
> >
> >
> > - Brad -
> >
> >
> > On Oct 29, 2021, at 15:08, Phil Halton  wrote:
> >
> > I realize a monitor is not necessary for the mini, but I think I would like 
> > to have a monitor attached just for cited persons assistance on occasion. 
> > My question, what monitor can I get for a mini and I???m talking cheap as 
> > possible. Thanks for any help.
> >
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Re: Monitors for Mac mini

[dan d.]

There are also adaptors using a thunderbolt port.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:

> Pretty much any monitor will work.  Be aware that the Mac mini has an HDMI 
> port, so if the monitor you choose has something other than an HDMI port, you 
> will need an adapter/dongle to connect the monitor to the mini???s HDMI port.
>
> For example, Apple sells a DVI to HDMI adapter for $29. (see link below)
>
> Apple HDMI to DVI Adapter
> https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MJVU2AM/A?cid=mail%20share
>
> While I recommend an adapter sold by Apple, there may be alternatives 
> available from Amazon or other vendors.
>
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2021, at 15:08, Phil Halton  wrote:
>
> I realize a monitor is not necessary for the mini, but I think I would like 
> to have a monitor attached just for cited persons assistance on occasion. My 
> question, what monitor can I get for a mini and I???m talking cheap as 
> possible. Thanks for any help.
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
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