Re: A zoom annoyance with voiceover

[Kaare Dehard]

Thanks to all! My Zoom experience is enhanced with your suggestions.

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> On May 20, 2022, at 5:44 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> You can customise what announcements you here using the settings features - 
> Tim has posted  about this before - but go in to settings and I think it is 
> either under the accessibility tab or notifications (in zoom) and you can 
> customise what you hear in terms of zoom announcements.
> 
> I am fortunate that I can turn speech off and then use my braille display 
> with zoom which gets rid of so many of these issues - but it is still useful 
> to customise the zoom announcements as they come from zoom itself not VO  
> 
>> On 19 May 2022, at 17:04, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> it depends of which device you are speaking.
>> On a Mac you can disable theese  messages in the Zoom settings. On an iPhone 
>> you could tap three fingers three times to disable the voice of VoiceOver.
>> 
>> I often use Zoom on my Mac. And I need VoiceOver to be switched on to take 
>> notes along the meeting. VoiceOver very often anounces „Zoom has new 
>> window“. Is anyone aware of a way to avoid this message on a Mac and keep 
>> VoiceOver on?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 Am 19.05.2022 um 17:41 schrieb Patrick Ford :
>>> 
>>> Hi, you can turn on 'do not disturb' or you can shut off voice over if you 
>>> don't need it while listening and/or speaking -
>>> Come and See
>>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
>>> 
 On May 19, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
 
 Hi folks, I’m wondering if the announcements of chat messages can be 
 suppressed while in a meeting. If not do our zoom users have alternative 
 methods to deal with this so as to not be distracted during presentations?
 
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Re: I am baffled with the accessibility team.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

This fits with my experience as well.  My sense is that the caliber of the 
people on the accessibility team has fallen substantially.  I think they either 
used to hire people who already knew accessibility well, or trained the people 
they hired very well.  It seems like now they just hire random people for that 
job and assume they can train them.  I’ve been pretty unimpressed with some of 
my recent contacts with them.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 20, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> I always send screen videos to the accessibility team and get back kind of 
> personalized very interested e-Mails. But sometimes my guess is it’s a 
> sighted person at the other end without much VoiceOver experiences. But 
> anyway since I send screen videos my bug reports are much more effective than 
> before.
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 20.05.2022 um 16:09 schrieb Karen Lewellen :
>> 
>> speaking personally?
>> My guess  would be several people managing several things at the same time.
>> I might add that my personal experiences with apple accessibility have been 
>> uniformly off the charts amazing...and I am far far far from an apple 
>> product user.
>> My personal suggestion is this.
>> If you can, after sending an email, follow up with a phone call, especially 
>> if you get a support ticket number.
>> inform the accessibility agent that you know others have reported the same 
>> issue, seasoning just how important the problem is for people.
>> Does that resonate?
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I actually sent a mail to the accessibility team about the unlabeled 
>>> buttons in messages ap when answering a message.
>>> They replied to me and when they did it looked like this was something new 
>>> to them.
>>> They wanted to investigate this issue.
>>> But I know that at least Donna has sent mails to them.
>>> So i am not sure if they get all mail we send to them or if they get so 
>>> much mail that some just gets deleted or something like that.
>>> Hmm. Strange.
>>> /A
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Re: I am baffled with the accessibility team.

[Jürgen Fleger]

I always send screen videos to the accessibility team and get back kind of 
personalized very interested e-Mails. But sometimes my guess is it’s a sighted 
person at the other end without much VoiceOver experiences. But anyway since I 
send screen videos my bug reports are much more effective than before.



> Am 20.05.2022 um 16:09 schrieb Karen Lewellen :
> 
> speaking personally?
> My guess  would be several people managing several things at the same time.
> I might add that my personal experiences with apple accessibility have been 
> uniformly off the charts amazing...and I am far far far from an apple product 
> user.
> My personal suggestion is this.
> If you can, after sending an email, follow up with a phone call, especially 
> if you get a support ticket number.
> inform the accessibility agent that you know others have reported the same 
> issue, seasoning just how important the problem is for people.
> Does that resonate?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 20 May 2022, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> I actually sent a mail to the accessibility team about the unlabeled buttons 
>> in messages ap when answering a message.
>> They replied to me and when they did it looked like this was something new 
>> to them.
>> They wanted to investigate this issue.
>> But I know that at least Donna has sent mails to them.
>> So i am not sure if they get all mail we send to them or if they get so much 
>> mail that some just gets deleted or something like that.
>> Hmm. Strange.
>> /A
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Re: I am baffled with the accessibility team.

[Karen Lewellen]

speaking personally?
My guess  would be several people managing several things at the same 
time.
I might add that my personal experiences with apple accessibility have 
been uniformly off the charts amazing...and I am far far far from an 
apple product user.

My personal suggestion is this.
If you can, after sending an email, follow up with a phone call, 
especially if you get a support ticket number.
inform the accessibility agent that you know others have reported the same 
issue, seasoning just how important the problem is for people.

Does that resonate?
Karen



On Fri, 20 May 2022, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
I actually sent a mail to the accessibility team about the unlabeled buttons in 
messages ap when answering a message.
They replied to me and when they did it looked like this was something new to 
them.
They wanted to investigate this issue.
But I know that at least Donna has sent mails to them.
So i am not sure if they get all mail we send to them or if they get so much 
mail that some just gets deleted or something like that.
Hmm. Strange.
/A

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I am baffled with the accessibility team.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I actually sent a mail to the accessibility team about the unlabeled buttons in 
messages ap when answering a message.
They replied to me and when they did it looked like this was something new to 
them.
They wanted to investigate this issue.
But I know that at least Donna has sent mails to them.
So i am not sure if they get all mail we send to them or if they get so much 
mail that some just gets deleted or something like that.
Hmm. Strange.
/A

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Re: A zoom annoyance with voiceover

[Julie Rattray]

You can customise what announcements you here using the settings features - Tim 
has posted  about this before - but go in to settings and I think it is either 
under the accessibility tab or notifications (in zoom) and you can customise 
what you hear in terms of zoom announcements.

I am fortunate that I can turn speech off and then use my braille display with 
zoom which gets rid of so many of these issues - but it is still useful to 
customise the zoom announcements as they come from zoom itself not VO  

> On 19 May 2022, at 17:04, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> it depends of which device you are speaking.
> On a Mac you can disable theese  messages in the Zoom settings. On an iPhone 
> you could tap three fingers three times to disable the voice of VoiceOver.
> 
> I often use Zoom on my Mac. And I need VoiceOver to be switched on to take 
> notes along the meeting. VoiceOver very often anounces „Zoom has new window“. 
> Is anyone aware of a way to avoid this message on a Mac and keep VoiceOver on?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 19.05.2022 um 17:41 schrieb Patrick Ford :
>> 
>> Hi, you can turn on 'do not disturb' or you can shut off voice over if you 
>> don't need it while listening and/or speaking -
>> Come and See
>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks, I’m wondering if the announcements of chat messages can be 
>>> suppressed while in a meeting. If not do our zoom users have alternative 
>>> methods to deal with this so as to not be distracted during presentations?
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Re: Two Mac Questions, please

[Julie Rattray]

Yes me to 

> On 19 May 2022, at 15:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> OK, yes, we are saying the same thing.  I always thought this was the case, 
> but thought it worth confirming.  I always wear headphones when I’m on Zoom 
> for this very reason.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 19, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry donna,
>> 
>> Realised my reply to you was not phrased well 
>> 
>> Yes I meant you can hear it but others don’t - and I thought that was what 
>> you wanted to know that others didn’t if you had headphones on 
>> 
>>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, actually, I was asking if others hear it.  I’ve always assumed that if 
>>> I wear headphones, I’m the only one who has to listen to VO babble.  If 
>>> that’s not the case, I want to know. :)
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 19, 2022, at 3:30 AM, Julie Rattray  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t think others hear it if you are wearing headphones but of course 
 you do - which I think is what you were asking 
 
> On 18 May 2022, at 14:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does this happen even if you’re wearing headphones?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2022, at 7:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would be content to stay muted and simply prace the spacebar when I
>> need to speak in many Zoom calls I participate on. Unfortunately, that
>> also triggers a flurry of speech from VO, so I first have to silence VO
>> before using the spacebar.
>> 
>> This is my top peeve with VO and Zoom. I wish it were possible to use
>> the spacebar without triggering all that speech into the teleconference.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There are settings under Accessibility after pressing cmd-comma that 
>>> you can configure to allow/disallow various announcements, but if you 
>>> are navigating with VO while in the Zoom session, the others in the 
>>> Zoom meet will hear your VO speech.
>>> 
>>> I, like others, either use headphones so as not to bother others, mute 
>>> VO or VO speech, mute my mic when not needed, or just not use VO much 
>>> while in the meeting.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
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>>> 
 On May 16, 2022, at 03:33, Julie Rattray  
 wrote:
 
 There is an issue with zoom where others in the call can here vo 
 depending on the set up and it is hard to get rid of it - I tend to 
 mute vo during the meeting as much as possible or if I need to use vo 
 to check chat etc I just mute my mike and only I hear vo then 
 
> On 15 May 2022, at 03:14, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
> 
> In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement 
> voice? I think that one depends on your default soundcard. 
> 
>> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph > > wrote:
>> 
>> the VO command to read to end of document is VO and the letter A, as 
>> for your zoom issue, we’d need to know a bit more about your setup. 
>> Are you using a headset, and external mic, where do you want the 
>> audio or VO to come out of?
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>>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Yolanda Thompson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> When hosting a zoom meeting on the mac, VO comes through the
>>> microphone. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
>>> Second, If I want to read from cursor to end of document, what is 
>>> the
>>> keyboard command to do so?
>>> TIA Yolanda
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