Scenario: Mark's VoiceOver Experience Updating Apple HD to tvOS 16.3

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,  The following scenario took place earlier this week.

1.
On Thursday, updated Apple TV HD (with first generation Siri remote) and
Apple TV 4K, first gen, to tvOS 16.3.

2.
After updating Apple TV HD (with Siri remote) to tvOS 16.3, discovered that
VoiceOver click & touch navigation was broken.  After doing some
troubleshooting with list member Ed, managed to get feature working but not
consistently.  When feature did work, display UI was choppy.  

After updating Apple TV 4k (first gen) to tvOS 16.3, VoiceOver click & touch
navigation functioned as expected 

3.
On Friday morning, checked for update on Apple TV HD and got the message
that the device was up to date wit the latest software.

4.
Went to Apple and purchased Apple TV 4k (third gen), 128GB (with Ethernet
port). 

5.
Installed and setup Apple TV 4k (third gen).

6.
After updating Apple TV 4k (third gen) to tvOS 16.3, VoiceOver click & touch
navigation functioned as expected.

7.
Decided to reset Apple TV HD back to factory defaults before permanently
removing it from my network.  During the reset process, was told that the
unit would be updated to the latest software version.  This took quite a bit
of time, more than usual.

8.
After Apple TV HD was successfully reset, I began the installation software
setup process, as if I were going to add the device back to my network.  As
you can guess, after the reset and subsequent software update, VoiceOver
click & touch navigation functioned as expected.

The End.

Mark


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Re: Has anyone else noticed that dictation in Messages is broken?

[Dave Carlson]

Better off using the two-finger double tap to start and stop dictation.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
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On Jan 28, 2023, at 11:20 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

Since the recent upgrade, I cannot seem to get dictation to work in messages.  
I tap Dictate.  Sometimes I get the haptic feedback to indicate dictation has 
started, sometimes not.  When I do get it, I try and dictate.  I’ve then tried 
both double tapping and scrolling down to the bottom and tapping to stop 
dictation.  The scrolling down to the bottom seems to work, but then when I go 
back into the message field, there’s no text.  I’m on a series 6.  Anyone else 
experiencing this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Excel and Mac OS 13

[Jessica Moss]

I’m not using an M1 Mac, but will be upgrading to one shortly.  However, I have 
been noticing with the last couple of updates that the whole workbook area has 
become really quirky.  Where I used to simply be able to navigate the rows 
using the arrow keys and simply type in them, now I have to do a lot of 
interacting, and seem to have to be vary precise about where /when I interact 
within the workbook area to navigate the list of cells I’m trying to work with, 
and instead of being able to use the arrow keys alone to scroll, I now have to 
use the VO keys in conjunction if I expect Voiceover to read anything, 
otherwise nothing will be read out.  Has anyone else encountered this?

> On Jan 27, 2023, at 10:09 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> I am using Eloquence too on MacbookPro2017  and Voiceover is reading the 
> entire contents of the table with no Problem.
> Thanks!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Kelly Ford
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 4:36 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Excel and Mac OS 13
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A bit ago I asked if anyone else was having issues with Excel and Mac OS 13 
> where the content of cells was not being read as you navigated.  I’ve made an 
> interesting discovery on this.
> 
> I use Eloquence as my synthesizer on Mac OS 13 and with any of those voices 
> in use, as I arrow from cell to cell, nothing is read.  However, if I switch 
> back to a voice such as Samantha, cell contents are indeed read.
> 
> I’m now even more curious what others are finding.
> 
> I am doing this on an M1 Mac.
> 
> Kelly
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Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Karen Lewellen]

Again, I cannot speak to your experience.



On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


The article I’m referring too is one from the Verge about a week ago. It 
indicated that Twitter had updated it’s terms. This was days after they ppulled 
the support.


On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I cannot speak to your speculations.
however, given the article's publication date is 27 Jan, your reading before  
publication is unlikely.



On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


I did, it looks like an article I read about a week ago that also said Twitter 
updated it’s terms. All I know is that right now, Tweesecake still works and 
when I was on Windows TWBlue still did. Maybe they’ll drop tomorrow, maybe they 
won’t. Twiter did let me authorize an account the other day on Tweesecake which 
surprised me. I’m wondering if there is a difference between apps who have paid 
for access to Twitters API. All you can do is enjoy your third-party ap while 
it works.


On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Did you read the article?
The difference here is that now it is an *official* part of developer policy, 
instead of Twitter leading up to the change.



On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
Third-party support.


On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, will  
not be working for long.



On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
Tweesecake and TWBlue.


On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Its official, see the article below.
#TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate

Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs

Kyle Wiggers 1 week

After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
clients altogether.

Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
know -- retroactively.

As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
to their lack of ads.

Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
leadership.

Twitter dev terms

Image Credits: Twitter

The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
"insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)

Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
in Twitter by 56%.

Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around
$500 million in costs unrelated to labor, shutting down a data center
and launching a fire sale after putting office items up for auction in
a bid to recoup costs.

Twitter's also heavily pushing its Twitter Blue plan (now with an
annual option), aiming to make it a profit driver. It plans to lift its
ban on political ads, chasing after campaign dollars in the 2024 U.S.
elections. And the company is reportedly considering selling usernames
through online auctions.




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Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Herbie Allen]

The article I’m referring too is one from the Verge about a week ago. It 
indicated that Twitter had updated it’s terms. This was days after they ppulled 
the support.

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I cannot speak to your speculations.
> however, given the article's publication date is 27 Jan, your reading before  
> publication is unlikely.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> I did, it looks like an article I read about a week ago that also said 
>> Twitter updated it’s terms. All I know is that right now, Tweesecake still 
>> works and when I was on Windows TWBlue still did. Maybe they’ll drop 
>> tomorrow, maybe they won’t. Twiter did let me authorize an account the other 
>> day on Tweesecake which surprised me. I’m wondering if there is a difference 
>> between apps who have paid for access to Twitters API. All you can do is 
>> enjoy your third-party ap while it works.
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you read the article?
>>> The difference here is that now it is an *official* part of developer 
>>> policy, instead of Twitter leading up to the change.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
 That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
 Third-party support.
 
> On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
> 
> The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, 
> will  not be working for long.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
>> Tweesecake and TWBlue.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its official, see the article below.
>>> #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
>>> officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>>> Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate
>>> 
>>> Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent 
>>> devs
>>> 
>>> Kyle Wiggers 1 week
>>> 
>>> After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
>>> Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
>>> clients altogether.
>>> 
>>> Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
>>> 5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
>>> prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
>>> to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
>>> Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
>>> long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
>>> but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
>>> know -- retroactively.
>>> 
>>> As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
>>> Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
>>> And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
>>> to their lack of ads.
>>> 
>>> Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
>>> and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
>>> section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
>>> its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
>>> leadership.
>>> 
>>> Twitter dev terms
>>> 
>>> Image Credits: Twitter
>>> 
>>> The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
>>> when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
>>> post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
>>> capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
>>> want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
>>> an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
>>> "insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)
>>> 
>>> Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
>>> even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
>>> fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
>>> debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
>>> has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
>>> end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
>>> in Twitter by 56%.
>>> 
>>> Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
>>> toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
>>> New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
>>> several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around

Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Karen Lewellen]

I cannot speak to your speculations.
however, given the article's publication date is 27 Jan, your reading 
before  publication is unlikely.




On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


I did, it looks like an article I read about a week ago that also said Twitter 
updated it’s terms. All I know is that right now, Tweesecake still works and 
when I was on Windows TWBlue still did. Maybe they’ll drop tomorrow, maybe they 
won’t. Twiter did let me authorize an account the other day on Tweesecake which 
surprised me. I’m wondering if there is a difference between apps who have paid 
for access to Twitters API. All you can do is enjoy your third-party ap while 
it works.


On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Did you read the article?
The difference here is that now it is an *official* part of developer policy, 
instead of Twitter leading up to the change.



On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
Third-party support.


On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, will  
not be working for long.



On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
Tweesecake and TWBlue.


On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Its official, see the article below.
#TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate

Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs

Kyle Wiggers 1 week

After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
clients altogether.

Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
know -- retroactively.

As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
to their lack of ads.

Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
leadership.

Twitter dev terms

Image Credits: Twitter

The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
"insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)

Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
in Twitter by 56%.

Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around
$500 million in costs unrelated to labor, shutting down a data center
and launching a fire sale after putting office items up for auction in
a bid to recoup costs.

Twitter's also heavily pushing its Twitter Blue plan (now with an
annual option), aiming to make it a profit driver. It plans to lift its
ban on political ads, chasing after campaign dollars in the 2024 U.S.
elections. And the company is reportedly considering selling usernames
through online auctions.




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Re: Has anyone else noticed that dictation in Messages is broken?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Maurice.  There is a dictation button in the messages app.  It used to 
work, even though the interface was a little clunky.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 3:12 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> You might try turning on voice control. Dictation does not happen 
> automatically, as far as I know. But I think it would be better to turn on 
> voice control. I think this is done on purpose to keep peoples machines from 
> turning on dictation by mistake. Or having it start in the background. 
> Without you knowing that it’s running. I hope this helps.
> 
> Please be aware that I am dictating this to my phone. So some of the message 
> might not appear as it should. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> Email, maur...@maurice-amines.com
>  text number 661-868-9647.
> Fox, no 661-449-3746.
> 
> 
> First, vice president, national Federation of the blind of California 
> Deafblind  division.
> Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
> chapter.
> amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 19:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since the recent upgrade, I cannot seem to get dictation to work in 
>> messages.  I tap Dictate.  Sometimes I get the haptic feedback to indicate 
>> dictation has started, sometimes not.  When I do get it, I try and dictate.  
>> I’ve then tried both double tapping and scrolling down to the bottom and 
>> tapping to stop dictation.  The scrolling down to the bottom seems to work, 
>> but then when I go back into the message field, there’s no text.  I’m on a 
>> series 6.  Anyone else experiencing this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Herbie Allen]

I did, it looks like an article I read about a week ago that also said Twitter 
updated it’s terms. All I know is that right now, Tweesecake still works and 
when I was on Windows TWBlue still did. Maybe they’ll drop tomorrow, maybe they 
won’t. Twiter did let me authorize an account the other day on Tweesecake which 
surprised me. I’m wondering if there is a difference between apps who have paid 
for access to Twitters API. All you can do is enjoy your third-party ap while 
it works.

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Did you read the article?
> The difference here is that now it is an *official* part of developer policy, 
> instead of Twitter leading up to the change.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
>> Third-party support.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, 
>>> will  not be working for long.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
 It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
 Tweesecake and TWBlue.
 
> On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
> 
> Its official, see the article below.
> #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
> officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
> Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate
> 
> Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent 
> devs
> 
> Kyle Wiggers 1 week
> 
> After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
> Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
> clients altogether.
> 
> Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
> 5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
> prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
> to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
> Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
> long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
> but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
> know -- retroactively.
> 
> As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
> Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
> And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
> to their lack of ads.
> 
> Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
> and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
> section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
> its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
> leadership.
> 
> Twitter dev terms
> 
> Image Credits: Twitter
> 
> The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
> when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
> post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
> capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
> want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
> an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
> "insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)
> 
> Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
> even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
> fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
> debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
> has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
> end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
> in Twitter by 56%.
> 
> Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
> toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
> New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
> several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around
> $500 million in costs unrelated to labor, shutting down a data center
> and launching a fire sale after putting office items up for auction in
> a bid to recoup costs.
> 
> Twitter's also heavily pushing its Twitter Blue plan (now with an
> annual option), aiming to make it a profit driver. It plans to lift its
> ban on political ads, chasing after campaign dollars in the 2024 U.S.
> elections. And the company is reportedly considering selling usernames
> through online auctions.
> 
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Re: Has anyone else noticed that dictation in Messages is broken?

[Maurice Mines]

You might try turning on voice control. Dictation does not happen 
automatically, as far as I know. But I think it would be better to turn on 
voice control. I think this is done on purpose to keep peoples machines from 
turning on dictation by mistake. Or having it start in the background. Without 
you knowing that it’s running. I hope this helps.

Please be aware that I am dictating this to my phone. So some of the message 
might not appear as it should. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
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Fox, no 661-449-3746.


First, vice president, national Federation of the blind of California Deafblind 
 division.
Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
chapter.
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> On Jan 28, 2023, at 19:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Since the recent upgrade, I cannot seem to get dictation to work in messages. 
>  I tap Dictate.  Sometimes I get the haptic feedback to indicate dictation 
> has started, sometimes not.  When I do get it, I try and dictate.  I’ve then 
> tried both double tapping and scrolling down to the bottom and tapping to 
> stop dictation.  The scrolling down to the bottom seems to work, but then 
> when I go back into the message field, there’s no text.  I’m on a series 6.  
> Anyone else experiencing this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Karen Lewellen]

Did you read the article?
The difference here is that now it is an *official* part of developer 
policy, instead of Twitter leading up to the change.




On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
Third-party support.


On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, will  
not be working for long.



On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:


It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
Tweesecake and TWBlue.


On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Its official, see the article below.
 #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
 officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
 Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate

Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs

 Kyle Wiggers 1 week

 After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
 Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
 clients altogether.

 Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
 5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
 prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
 to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
 Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
 long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
 but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
 know -- retroactively.

 As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
 Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
 And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
 to their lack of ads.

 Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
 and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
 section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
 its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
 leadership.

 Twitter dev terms

 Image Credits: Twitter

 The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
 when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
 post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
 capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
 want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
 an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
 "insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)

 Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
 even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
 fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
 debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
 has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
 end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
 in Twitter by 56%.

 Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
 toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
 New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
 several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around
 $500 million in costs unrelated to labor, shutting down a data center
 and launching a fire sale after putting office items up for auction in
 a bid to recoup costs.

 Twitter's also heavily pushing its Twitter Blue plan (now with an
 annual option), aiming to make it a profit driver. It plans to lift its
 ban on political ads, chasing after campaign dollars in the 2024 U.S.
 elections. And the company is reportedly considering selling usernames
 through online auctions.

 


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Re: Creating keyboard shortcuts for an app.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Sorry, I’m not sure what you are attempting to do. Are you trying to add a 
keyboard shortcut for a menu in a specific application?
Or are you trying to get a shortcut in the shortcuts app to have a keyboard 
shortcut.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi folks.
> As the subject says, I’m trying to do this with foobar2000.
> The shortcut I want to add is called. Load Playlist …
> I’ve written that in the menu, and added the key I wanted, but still know 
> luck.
> Anyone have any ideas?
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Has anyone else noticed that dictation in Messages is broken?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Since the recent upgrade, I cannot seem to get dictation to work in messages.  
I tap Dictate.  Sometimes I get the haptic feedback to indicate dictation has 
started, sometimes not.  When I do get it, I try and dictate.  I’ve then tried 
both double tapping and scrolling down to the bottom and tapping to stop 
dictation.  The scrolling down to the bottom seems to work, but then when I go 
back into the message field, there’s no text.  I’m on a series 6.  Anyone else 
experiencing this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Apple watch sometimes prematurely ends sleep tracking

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

Sorry, I may have created some confusion.  I assumed Paul was trying to use 
Taptic time when sleep focus was on.  That’s the time when I usually use it.  
During the day, I just let VO speak the time, unless I’m in a meeting.

The process I described is the one I use when sleep focus is on.  When sleep 
focus is not on, I just do a quick double tap on the watch to get Taptic time.  
It works very reliably for me.  I have a series 6.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 28, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> Wow, you are lucky. I might have turned off Taptic time, because it always 
> seemed to go off when I didn’t want it and never when I did. I have an Apple 
> Watch SE, since  did not feel the need for an always on display or a blood 
> oxygen monitor. 
> Just to make sure I understand your process
> 1. Tap the watch face once. (when I do this the watch usually  speaks the 
> time followed  by the temperature)
> 2. After a brief pause double tap the face. (Now the watch switches into the 
> Weather app.
> 
> I’d really like to be able to have this work for concerts and lectures. At 
> home I can easily put headphones on, wake up my phone and check time by 
> waking my phone  up. 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
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Creating keyboard shortcuts for an app.

['Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi folks.
As the subject says, I’m trying to do this with foobar2000.
The shortcut I want to add is called. Load Playlist …
I’ve written that in the menu, and added the key I wanted, but still know luck.
 Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Apple watch sometimes prematurely ends sleep tracking

[Jonathan Cohn]

Donna,
Wow, you are lucky. I might have turned off Taptic time, because it always 
seemed to go off when I didn’t want it and never when I did. I have an Apple 
Watch SE, since  did not feel the need for an always on display or a blood 
oxygen monitor. 
Just to make sure I understand your process
1. Tap the watch face once. (when I do this the watch usually  speaks the time 
followed  by the temperature)
2. After a brief pause double tap the face. (Now the watch switches into the 
Weather app.

I’d really like to be able to have this work for concerts and lectures. At home 
I can easily put headphones on, wake up my phone and check time by waking my 
phone  up. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


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Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Herbie Allen]

That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
Third-party support.

> On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, 
> will  not be working for long.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
>> Tweesecake and TWBlue.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its official, see the article below.
>>>  #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
>>>  officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>>>  Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate
>>> 
>>> Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>>> 
>>>  Kyle Wiggers 1 week
>>> 
>>>  After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
>>>  Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
>>>  clients altogether.
>>> 
>>>  Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
>>>  5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
>>>  prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
>>>  to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
>>>  Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
>>>  long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
>>>  but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
>>>  know -- retroactively.
>>> 
>>>  As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
>>>  Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
>>>  And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
>>>  to their lack of ads.
>>> 
>>>  Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
>>>  and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
>>>  section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
>>>  its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
>>>  leadership.
>>> 
>>>  Twitter dev terms
>>> 
>>>  Image Credits: Twitter
>>> 
>>>  The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
>>>  when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
>>>  post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
>>>  capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
>>>  want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
>>>  an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
>>>  "insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)
>>> 
>>>  Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
>>>  even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
>>>  fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
>>>  debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
>>>  has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
>>>  end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
>>>  in Twitter by 56%.
>>> 
>>>  Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
>>>  toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
>>>  New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
>>>  several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around
>>>  $500 million in costs unrelated to labor, shutting down a data center
>>>  and launching a fire sale after putting office items up for auction in
>>>  a bid to recoup costs.
>>> 
>>>  Twitter's also heavily pushing its Twitter Blue plan (now with an
>>>  annual option), aiming to make it a profit driver. It plans to lift its
>>>  ban on political ads, chasing after campaign dollars in the 2024 U.S.
>>>  elections. And the company is reportedly considering selling usernames
>>>  through online auctions.
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: Apple watch sometimes prematurely ends sleep tracking

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Paul,

I don’t have premature sleep termination, but I do hopefully have a tip re 
haptic time.  I have a series 6.  On my watch, I can tap the face once, wait 
about a half second, then tap twice for haptic time.  This works reliably for 
me.
HTH,
Donna

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I have an Apple watch SE and an iPhone SE 2020 both running the latest 
> software.
> My sleep schedule is set to 22:56 until 6:56. Sleep tracking usually produces 
> plausible sleep durations and usually terminates sleep tracking around 6:56. 
> However it sometimes ends sleep tracking prematurely for some unknown reason 
> and thus does not credit me with the correct amount of sleep. For example 
> this morning i got out of bed around 4:30 to open my bedroom window and the 
> sleep tracking ended at 4:36 missing out significant sleep after that time. I 
> wonder if my reaching up with my watch hand to open the window caused this 
> premature termination. Alternatively I usually use haptic time checking at 
> night which requires pressing the watch crown sometimes several times before 
> haptic time works.
> Do others have this problem and if so have you found the reason for the 
> premature termination?
> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Apple watch sometimes prematurely ends sleep tracking

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I have an Apple watch SE and an iPhone SE 2020 both running the latest software.
My sleep schedule is set to 22:56 until 6:56. Sleep tracking usually produces 
plausible sleep durations and usually terminates sleep tracking around 6:56. 
However it sometimes ends sleep tracking prematurely for some unknown reason 
and thus does not credit me with the correct amount of sleep. For example this 
morning i got out of bed around 4:30 to open my bedroom window and the sleep 
tracking ended at 4:36 missing out significant sleep after that time. I wonder 
if my reaching up with my watch hand to open the window caused this premature 
termination. Alternatively I usually use haptic time checking at night which 
requires pressing the watch crown sometimes several times before haptic time 
works.
Do others have this problem and if so have you found the reason for the 
premature termination?
Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Smart light bulbs?

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Hi Jeff,

That’s hysterical.  My husband would be the luddite - he’s convinced that Siri 
doesn’t like him.

One of the reasons we’re thinking about doing this is because our house has 
entirely too many light switches, and I’m sick of running around the kitchen 
getting the lights turned on or off.  We were thinking light bulbs would be 
easier because replacing them would be easier than replacing three different 
light switches.  If you knew how small our kitchen is, you’d know why it’s 
absolutely ludicrous that there are three separate light switches.  I’m pretty 
sure the guy who designed our house must have been on drugs at the time.  
Anyway, I’ll pass along your recommendation.  We were looking at the Phillips 
Hue, but read that they were only equivalent to 60 watt bulbs.  The bulbs we 
currently have are 100 watt, so I was worried that they would make it hard for 
me to see.
Cheers,
Donna 

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> Phillips Hue are the best and I have several of them.  Recently, over 
> Christmas, I switched a lot of my smart lighting to in-wall switches.  I went 
> with the Lutron Diva, which is part of the Caseta line.
> 
> If you go with in-wall, you will need to install them.  The nice thing about 
> the in-wall switch is that you have control over your lighting with 
> automation, and the luddite  in your family can still use a rocker switch to 
> turn lights on and off. ;)
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 8:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We are thinking about getting smart light bulbs for our kitchen.  Does 
>> anyone have a recommendation?  Bright is better for me.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Smart light bulbs?

[Jeff Berwick]

Phillips Hue are the best and I have several of them.  Recently, over 
Christmas, I switched a lot of my smart lighting to in-wall switches.  I went 
with the Lutron Diva, which is part of the Caseta line.

If you go with in-wall, you will need to install them.  The nice thing about 
the in-wall switch is that you have control over your lighting with automation, 
and the luddite  in your family can still use a rocker switch to turn lights on 
and off. ;)

Jeff


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> Hi all,
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> We are thinking about getting smart light bulbs for our kitchen.  Does anyone 
> have a recommendation?  Bright is better for me.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Something to tell the accessibility team.
/A

> 26 jan. 2023 kl. 17:55 skrev Dave Carlson :
> 
> I’ll toss in something that has been consistent with VO recently. When 
> entering user name and passwords on web pages (both Safari and Edge) there is 
> a significant lag in speaking the titles to the edit fields.
> 
> I tab to the first field and type my user name. Then tab to the password 
> field. VO speaks what I just typed, then the next field title, before 
> indicating a blank field. It is irritating because it slows things down.
> 
> There are other instances with VO where a ghost word or phrase is spoken.
> 
> I open a text file in a folder. Then close it. Then Cmd+tab back to Finder. 
> It reads the name of an adjacent folder before focusing on the list of files 
> in a completely different folder. Again irritating, and slow response.
> 
> So in summary I would say that VO is less responsive and slow to find focus 
> than it used to be in earlier Mac OS versions. I’m on Ventura on a 2019 
> MacBook Pro.
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:27 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the MacOS 
> platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds contempt” may be 
> at play here!
> 
> Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and MS-Windows 
> with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be the basis of 
> comparison anyway?
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If you have a desktop keyboard with numpad you can also control VoiceOver via 
the numpad keys.
I tend to do that more and more.
/A

> 26 jan. 2023 kl. 17:14 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 26/1/23 10:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I agree about the VO keys.  Many things on the Mac require the use of 
>> several keys at once that on Windows can be accomplished with just one or 
>> two keys.
> 
> An advantage of this, however, is that it avoids conflicts between keys used 
> by the screen reader and those used by the application, so you don't have to 
> deal with pass-through commands very often.
> 
> Of course, as others have noted in this discussion, you can use capslock as 
> the VoiceOver modifier (this is now the default, if I remember rightly), as 
> well as Quick Nav. You can enable additional keystrokes for Quick Nav that 
> expand the navigation commands available in VoiceOver, for example in Web 
> browsers.
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Smart light bulbs?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

We are thinking about getting smart light bulbs for our kitchen.  Does anyone 
have a recommendation?  Bright is better for me.
Thanks,
Donna

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