Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

[joseph hodge]

Hey Michael, the website I use typically for this too is also something for 
work so sadly, I can’t share it! I’ll try to find something though and share to 
the group. If nothing else what I might try is do a screen recording so those 
who don’t have this issue  can actually hear it because it’s rather annoying. I 
also thought it might be a setting because my desktop doesn’t seem to do it as 
much as my laptop does, which is strange. I even updated to the newest beta to 
see if it was still show the problem and of course it does! Using the iPad and 
doing the same table navigation on the website though works so it’s definitely 
some thing on the max end which is weird because I thought they would be 
similar.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:05 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
> 
> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 1:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joseph,
>> 
>> Well, I’m glad I’m not the only one, I guess.  For me it’s a little 
>> different. I interact with the table, but can’t read any of the columns.
>> 
>> I agree with you about the Safari busy thing.  That's sooo 
>> annoying!!! For a while now, I’ve kept a Mac and a Pc. I was really hoping 
>> the day was coming when I could ditch the PC, but it doesn’t sound like 
>> that’s going to happen any time soon.  It seems to me that Apple’s putting 
>> all of its energy into new products, when they ought to be working on 
>> tightening up the existing ones.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:16 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m actually having problems too. Usually what tends to happen is I can 
>>> read it sometimes but then if I go right then move left on a particular 
>>> row, it will completely mess up! From what I can see it tends to be a 
>>> Safari thing I’ve used edge and it seems to be a bit better there although 
>>> sometimes it still happens! It’s really annoying and actually has me 
>>> Considering selling my Mac. The Safari busy and now this really has me 
>>> contemplating whether or not this machine is worth the money.  The only 
>>> thing kind of keeping me from doing this is I just don’t like how Windows 
>>> works either. That being said, at least I can read tables and browse the 
>>> web fairly easy!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 I agree. 
 
> On Jun 24, 2023, at 06:27, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have 
> not noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
> consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often 
> I am unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick 
> to this that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  
> There are lots of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate 
> any help.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Finder issues becoming more severe

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   Have you called Apple support? It sounds like something a bit more serious 
than a simple problem. You might want to see what they say.


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> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello.  I had a drive or two that I thought were causing problems in the 
> Finder on my M1 Mac mini.  Drives were getting burned up and just not 
> functioning right.  I got rid of the hub.  Unfortunately, though, I am now 
> having problems with drives no matter how they are connected.  Is the Finder 
> just not stable on these Macs?  I even plugged a little thumb drive into the 
> USB port on my Apple keyboard.  I tried several times to copy some files and 
> the drive disappears.  I expect it to be slow, but not to disappear.
> 
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> Thanks for any insights into this growing problem.
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Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

[Michael Babcock]

Hi Donna,

I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.

It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables I 
have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, however, 
it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually purchase 
parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in Safari, or edge 
with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you to use your 
VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to navigate it at all. 
And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 1:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Well, I’m glad I’m not the only one, I guess.  For me it’s a little 
> different. I interact with the table, but can’t read any of the columns.
> 
> I agree with you about the Safari busy thing.  That's sooo 
> annoying!!! For a while now, I’ve kept a Mac and a Pc. I was really hoping 
> the day was coming when I could ditch the PC, but it doesn’t sound like 
> that’s going to happen any time soon.  It seems to me that Apple’s putting 
> all of its energy into new products, when they ought to be working on 
> tightening up the existing ones.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:16 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m actually having problems too. Usually what tends to happen is I can read 
>> it sometimes but then if I go right then move left on a particular row, it 
>> will completely mess up! From what I can see it tends to be a Safari thing 
>> I’ve used edge and it seems to be a bit better there although sometimes it 
>> still happens! It’s really annoying and actually has me Considering selling 
>> my Mac. The Safari busy and now this really has me contemplating whether or 
>> not this machine is worth the money.  The only thing kind of keeping me from 
>> doing this is I just don’t like how Windows works either. That being said, 
>> at least I can read tables and browse the web fairly easy!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree. 
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 06:27, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have 
 not noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
 consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often I 
 am unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick to 
 this that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  
 There are lots of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate 
 any help.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Finder issues becoming more severe

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.  I had a drive or two that I thought were causing problems in the Finder 
on my M1 Mac mini.  Drives were getting burned up and just not functioning 
right.  I got rid of the hub.  Unfortunately, though, I am now having problems 
with drives no matter how they are connected.  Is the Finder just not stable on 
these Macs?  I even plugged a little thumb drive into the USB port on my Apple 
keyboard.  I tried several times to copy some files and the drive disappears.  
I expect it to be slow, but not to disappear.

Is this a known problem?  Do I need to take this Mac to the Apple Store?  
Thanks for any insights into this growing problem.



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Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Joseph,

Well, I’m glad I’m not the only one, I guess.  For me it’s a little different. 
I interact with the table, but can’t read any of the columns.

I agree with you about the Safari busy thing.  That's sooo 
annoying!!! For a while now, I’ve kept a Mac and a Pc. I was really hoping the 
day was coming when I could ditch the PC, but it doesn’t sound like that’s 
going to happen any time soon.  It seems to me that Apple’s putting all of its 
energy into new products, when they ought to be working on tightening up the 
existing ones.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:16 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> I’m actually having problems too. Usually what tends to happen is I can read 
> it sometimes but then if I go right then move left on a particular row, it 
> will completely mess up! From what I can see it tends to be a Safari thing 
> I’ve used edge and it seems to be a bit better there although sometimes it 
> still happens! It’s really annoying and actually has me Considering selling 
> my Mac. The Safari busy and now this really has me contemplating whether or 
> not this machine is worth the money.  The only thing kind of keeping me from 
> doing this is I just don’t like how Windows works either. That being said, at 
> least I can read tables and browse the web fairly easy!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 06:27, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have 
>>> not noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
>>> consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often I 
>>> am unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick to 
>>> this that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  There 
>>> are lots of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate any help.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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found a usable free streaming service

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Hi all:

Freevee is usable on Apple TV and iPhone. Apple tv seens to be a bit better
with voiceover.

The web site you will need on apple TV to sign to your amazon account is 

www.amazon.com/code  

 

Put in the code on apple tv that vo reads and you are activated.

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Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

[joseph hodge]

I’m actually having problems too. Usually what tends to happen is I can read it 
sometimes but then if I go right then move left on a particular row, it will 
completely mess up! From what I can see it tends to be a Safari thing I’ve used 
edge and it seems to be a bit better there although sometimes it still happens! 
It’s really annoying and actually has me Considering selling my Mac. The Safari 
busy and now this really has me contemplating whether or not this machine is 
worth the money.  The only thing kind of keeping me from doing this is I just 
don’t like how Windows works either. That being said, at least I can read 
tables and browse the web fairly easy!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I agree. 
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 06:27, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have 
>> not noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
>> consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often I 
>> am unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick to 
>> this that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  There 
>> are lots of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate any help.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

[Herbie Allen]

I agree. 

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 06:27, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have not 
> noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
> consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often I am 
> unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick to this 
> that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  There are 
> lots of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate any help.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

[Brad Snyder]

I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have not 
noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.

- Brad -

On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often I am 
unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick to this 
that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  There are lots 
of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate any help.
TIA,
Donna

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Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often I am 
unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick to this 
that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  There are lots 
of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate any help.
TIA,
Donna

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