Re: Apple Watch Series 9

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

Some time ago I also had problems getting Taptic time to work.  Here is what I 
do.  Tap once then follow that up very quickly with a quick double-tap.  You 
can’t wait too long or it’ll just wake up the watch and then speak the time.  I 
like the feature because if I wake up during the night, I can check the time 
without waking my spouse.  Since you also mentioned that in terms of the alarm, 
I thought you might want to be able to use taptic time at night.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 5, 2024, at 3:52 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> There is no Safari on the watch, but both Apple Podcasts and Overcast have 
> apps to listen to podcasts.
> One thing I really appreciate about my watch is that if you use the iPhone 
> health app to create a wakeup alarm, and ware your watch to bed then the 
> alarm only goes off on your wrist. I can easily wake up to this without 
> disturbing my spouse.
> I know several people on this list have discussed the taptic time feature 
> that will step in morse code on your wrist. I personally only seem to be able 
> to get this to work when I’m not trying to use the function.
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Re: Apple Watch Series 9

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Great point, Jessica.  I agree.
Donna

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Something to keep in mind regarding your Apple Watch, especially if you’re 
> talking pairing bluetooth/connecting it to cellular data, while all these 
> features are great features to have, the more stuff you have continuously 
> running in the background/paired up with it, that can and will drain your 
> battery faster.
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:25 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to all on this thread. I'm pretty much in the same place as ET on
>> the verge of purchasing a watch and making these decisions for myself.
>> 
>> I suspect I am willing to pay the extra (now $15 at T-Mo) for the
>> cellular service as I simply can't justify lugging around a big old
>> phone if my watch will do everything I need whilst I'm out and about.
>> However, I expect I'll pair a bluetooth headset with the watch. I'm
>> presuming the audio quality issue, understandably less from the watch
>> itself, is obviated by the headset? Frankly, I don't want to rely on
>> audio on my wrist while I'm carrying things and walking/riding around
>> manhattan with all its local noises. It seems a headset is the only
>> practical approach here. If I'm wrong, I simply cancel the cellular
>> service after a month or two and go back to lugging my phone around.
>> 
>> But that raises the prospect of what else I might want to do on my
>> phone. I certainly expect to read messages. I expect to read mail. And,
>> I expect to take and review notes. If I can add Safari into that mix the
>> case for watch only whilst out and about grows. Can I?
>> 
>> Frankly, pushing this thought further, if I'm sitting down somewhere for
>> an hour or so (as I was yesterday), mightn't I also be able to pull out
>> a BT keyboard and use it to reply to mail? Use it to add to my notes?
>> Use it to type in search strings for Safari that voice dictation didn't
>> quite get right?
>> 
>> Sop, I'm curious. Is it possible to do that much? What are the practical
>> limits here?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Janina
>> 
>> Bradford Snyder writes:
>>> I agree with Donna.
>>> I have the Apple Watch Ultimate, which has cellular, but I have not enabled 
>>> cellular service because it isn???t worth $10 per month for something I???m 
>>> not going to use.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 23:54, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I agree with everything that others have said.  The one thing I would add 
>>> is that personally, I don???t really like taking phone calls on my watch.  
>>> This is, of course, subjective, but I mention it because if I remember 
>>> correctly, you have hearing loss, and the reason I don???t like using the 
>>> watch for phone calls, is that the sound isn???t very good.  It might be 
>>> something that wouldn???t be useful for you, and that that case, the option 
>>> of using your watch without your phone would be less wortwhile.  I don???t 
>>> carry my phone with me all the time.  When I???m at home I set it down and 
>>> leave it in one place, and it still syncs with the watch.  As you can 
>>> probably tell, personally, I don???t think the cellular version is worth 
>>> the extra money.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 11:52 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Looking at the options that are available. Do I want cellular? About the 
>>>> watch bands, anything special about those or is the default band good 
>>>> enough. Appreciate the feedback.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>> -Helen Keller
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Re: Apple Watch Series 9

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

ET,

This really is a question of personal taste.  Personally,I find the default 
band a little too casual.  I wanted something I would be comfortable wearing 
when dressed up.  So I have the Milanese band—at least I think that’s what it’s 
called.  It’s a metal band with clasp, and I like it much better than any of 
the bands that come with the watch.

Another thing to remember is that you are not limited to Apple’s band 
selection.  You can also buy a band from Amazon.  That’s what my husband did, 
and he’s been very happy with his.
Best,
Donna


> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:40 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Steve and Donna,
>   Appreciate this. I am quite willing to save myself $100. My iPhone is 
> always with me.
> 
>   What about the watch band? If I was in walking distance of an Apple store, 
> I could go there and look.Other than colors, is the default band decent? 
> Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/3/2024 9:54 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi ET,
>> I agree with everything that others have said.  The one thing I would add is 
>> that personally, I don’t really like taking phone calls on my watch.  This 
>> is, of course, subjective, but I mention it because if I remember correctly, 
>> you have hearing loss, and the reason I don’t like using the watch for phone 
>> calls, is that the sound isn’t very good.  It might be something that 
>> wouldn’t be useful for you, and that that case, the option of using your 
>> watch without your phone would be less wortwhile.  I don’t carry my phone 
>> with me all the time.  When I’m at home I set it down and leave it in one 
>> place, and it still syncs with the watch.  As you can probably tell, 
>> personally, I don’t think the cellular version is worth the extra money.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 11:52 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>   Looking at the options that are available. Do I want cellular? About the 
>>> watch bands, anything special about those or is the default band good 
>>> enough. Appreciate the feedback.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Apple Watch Series 9

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina,

I can’t answer your questions about Safari, headphones, or the keyboard, but 
I’ll share my thoughts on some of the others.

Personally, I don’t think that the watch can replace a phone.  I find 
responding to messages a little clunky.  Reacting or sending an 
auto-response—OK, thank you, etc.—is fine.  But in my experience, dictation has 
had mixed success.  And correcting text when dictation gets it wrong is a PITA. 
 If I need to send a more involved response to a text, I pull out my phone.  On 
the other hand, if all you have to do is answer OK, yes, no, I love being able 
to do that from my wrist.

Likewise, I’m not sure how you would do advanced text entry or editing on the 
watch.  You certainly wouldn’t want to do it without a keyboard.  To the best 
of my knowledge, neither Pages or Notes is available on the watch, though I 
wouldn’t swear that I’m right about that.

So I would say the use case you’re describing goes pretty far beyond the 
capabilities of the watch.  I would also say the watch is most powerful when 
paired with your phone, so I don’t think it is realistic to plan on just taking 
your watch with you and leaving your phone at home, at least not for extended 
periods of time.  But others may disagree, and I’d be happy to be corrected.  
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:25 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all on this thread. I'm pretty much in the same place as ET on
> the verge of purchasing a watch and making these decisions for myself.
> 
> I suspect I am willing to pay the extra (now $15 at T-Mo) for the
> cellular service as I simply can't justify lugging around a big old
> phone if my watch will do everything I need whilst I'm out and about.
> However, I expect I'll pair a bluetooth headset with the watch. I'm
> presuming the audio quality issue, understandably less from the watch
> itself, is obviated by the headset? Frankly, I don't want to rely on
> audio on my wrist while I'm carrying things and walking/riding around
> manhattan with all its local noises. It seems a headset is the only
> practical approach here. If I'm wrong, I simply cancel the cellular
> service after a month or two and go back to lugging my phone around.
> 
> But that raises the prospect of what else I might want to do on my
> phone. I certainly expect to read messages. I expect to read mail. And,
> I expect to take and review notes. If I can add Safari into that mix the
> case for watch only whilst out and about grows. Can I?
> 
> Frankly, pushing this thought further, if I'm sitting down somewhere for
> an hour or so (as I was yesterday), mightn't I also be able to pull out
> a BT keyboard and use it to reply to mail? Use it to add to my notes?
> Use it to type in search strings for Safari that voice dictation didn't
> quite get right?
> 
> Sop, I'm curious. Is it possible to do that much? What are the practical
> limits here?
> 
> Best,
> Janina
> 
> Bradford Snyder writes:
>> I agree with Donna.
>> I have the Apple Watch Ultimate, which has cellular, but I have not enabled 
>> cellular service because it isn???t worth $10 per month for something I???m 
>> not going to use.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 23:54, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> I agree with everything that others have said.  The one thing I would add is 
>> that personally, I don???t really like taking phone calls on my watch.  This 
>> is, of course, subjective, but I mention it because if I remember correctly, 
>> you have hearing loss, and the reason I don???t like using the watch for 
>> phone calls, is that the sound isn???t very good.  It might be something 
>> that wouldn???t be useful for you, and that that case, the option of using 
>> your watch without your phone would be less wortwhile.  I don???t carry my 
>> phone with me all the time.  When I???m at home I set it down and leave it 
>> in one place, and it still syncs with the watch.  As you can probably tell, 
>> personally, I don???t think the cellular version is worth the extra money.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 11:52 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Looking at the options that are available. Do I want cellular? About the 
>>> watch bands, anything special about those or is the default band good 
>>> enough. Appreciate the feedback.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: Apple Watch Series 9

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi ET,

I agree with everything that others have said.  The one thing I would add is 
that personally, I don’t really like taking phone calls on my watch.  This is, 
of course, subjective, but I mention it because if I remember correctly, you 
have hearing loss, and the reason I don’t like using the watch for phone calls, 
is that the sound isn’t very good.  It might be something that wouldn’t be 
useful for you, and that that case, the option of using your watch without your 
phone would be less wortwhile.  I don’t carry my phone with me all the time.  
When I’m at home I set it down and leave it in one place, and it still syncs 
with the watch.  As you can probably tell, personally, I don’t think the 
cellular version is worth the extra money.
Best,
Donna

> On Jun 3, 2024, at 11:52 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>   Looking at the options that are available. Do I want cellular? About the 
> watch bands, anything special about those or is the default band good enough. 
> Appreciate the feedback.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mark,

I am currently traveling in Italy, and also using AirTags.  I am experiencing 
much faster than usual battery drain.  I also have a couple of mitigating 
facts: a. The internet in our apartment is terrible, and I’m speculating that 
some of the battery may be going to maintaining the wifi connection, and B. I 
also use the phone in somewhat atypical ways—more time on Facebook and on 
What’s App.  So, though I can’t confirm that it’s the AirTags, that does seem 
to be the one commonality.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 1, 2024, at 10:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> 1.
> Well, I recently returned from a short vacation and during the trip, for the
> first time, I made extensive use of Air Tags.  I was delighted to discover
> that they work remarkably well.  However, to me, it seemed, that using the
> Find My app, with the Left Behind notification feature enabled, drain my
> battery a little faster than expected.  I don't know if this is exactly true
> because, during the journey, I did take more photos than normal and my
> screen brightness was set to a higher level in order for me to be able to
> see the phone's display, out in the sunlight.
> 
> 2.
> Someone, on list, suggested that she could not add a television series to
> her recorded list in Youtube TV for TVOS.  I just tested this feature on my
> Apple TV, and found that the feature functions as expected, when VoiceOver
> is enabled.
> 
> 3.
> One of the latest trends in home exercise is using a walking pad.
> Essentially, a walking pad is a much smaller version of a treadmill.
> Generally, the cost of a walking pad starts at around 140 USD.  Many of them
> require no assembly and do not have a handrail.  They are so very popular
> that, during my research, I discovered, at least, 30 brands with seemingly
> endless models.  As a former owner of over 12 full-size exercise devices
> including several very expensive commercial grade treadmills, which I used
> in order to achieve my various health goals many years ago, I have decided
> to purchase one of these walking pads.  For the record, although I
> thoroughly enjoyed my commercial grade devices, keeping those machines in
> proper order takes a great deal of tools, parts, and time (if one elects to
> maintain them by hand, as I did) or a great deal of money if one elects to
> have them serviced on a regular basis.  One feature that I would like to
> have on my new walking pad is the ability to have all of the exercise
> statistics sent to the Apple Health app.  So far, I have not found one that
> claims to do this.  At least, I have not found one less than 1000 USD that
> has this feature.  So, if you are using a walking pad or you discover one
> that has a smart app feature, let me know.  Thank you.
> 
> 4.
> In my home office, I have an Apple TV that was connected to a 14 year old 21
> inch television.  For the past couple of years, because of various reasons
> that are not relative to this topic, the active scan feature of Apple TV did
> not work with the set.  Basically, this means that the edges of the Apple TV
> display went beyond the edge of the television's visible area.  Not a big
> deal as I only use this set once or twice a year and when doing so, I mostly
> listened to the content, rather than watched it.  Still, I have been
> passively searching for a small form factor television to replace the old
> one.  In my experience, it has been almost impossible to locate a new,
> modern technology television, that is smaller than 24 inches.  I had almost
> given up when, in my local Best Buy store, a couple of days ago, we spotted
> an area of the store filled with Insignia branded televisions.  Insignia is
> Best Buy's house brand.  Guess what?  They have and I purchased a 19 inch
> model for 49 USD, before tax.  The biggest surprised? when I powered on the
> unit for the first time, a screen reader asked if I wanted to leave the
> screen reader on or turn it off.  This is a marvelous little set that offers
> anything you could want in a television; including a built-in screen reader.
> So, if you're in the market for a tiny TV that works beautifully with Apple
> TV, give the Insignia models a try.
> 
> Okay, I think that's all for now.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to any and all replies.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Apple Health App

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jessica,

I have the blood oxygen sensor as well, because I purchased my 9 last fall 
before the legal ruling requiring them to remove it.  I don’t use it much 
either, but since everyone’s needs are different, I thought I would mention it.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 31, 2024, at 1:46 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> That's right, I had forgotten about that. I have the Series 8, and mine still 
> has the oxygen sensor. It isn't something I typically use, but I just tried 
> it to see if it was still available to me and how it worked. I purchased my 
> Apple Watch long before that lawsuit, though. New Apple Watches will be 
> coming in a few months. It will be interesting to hear what new features and 
> capabilities they will have.
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Thursday, May 30, 2024 01:31 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Health App
> 
> Hi ET,
> I have the series 9.  But one thing to know is that Apple got sued for a 
> patent violation with the Oxygen sensor.  So The watch 9 no longer comes with 
> that capability.  With that in mind, depending on your needs of course, you 
> might want to consider the less expensive series 8.  It also contains the 
> emergency alert technology and the fall detection.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 30, 2024, at 7:00 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna and others,
>>  Appreciate the input. This is quite interesting, the potential benefits. I 
>> took a quick look and see that the series 9 starts at about $400 and the 
>> Ultra 2 at about $700 something. I think the series 9 warrants a further 
>> look. Which model do you have? Thanks much.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 5/29/2024 9:56 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi ET,
>>> Not Jonathan, but the watch has:
>>> Emergency alerts
>>> Fall detection
>>> Heart monitoring, including EKG
>>> I know from personal experience that the emergency feature on the watch 
>>> works quite well.  A year and a half ago, when I was in a car accident, my 
>>> watch called 911, and also all of my emergency contacts.
>>> HTH,
>>> Donna
>>>> On May 30, 2024, at 12:14 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>  In brief, how would an Apple watch benefit me? Thanks much.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/2024 1:22 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>>>> Apple Watch.
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>>>>>> the health app. Can't think off hand the names of these devices but 
>>>>>> something that can be useful in the event I have a medical emergency. 
>>>>>> Thanks.
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Re: Apple Health App

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi ET,

I have the series 9.  But one thing to know is that Apple got sued for a patent 
violation with the Oxygen sensor.  So The watch 9 no longer comes with that 
capability.  With that in mind, depending on your needs of course, you might 
want to consider the less expensive series 8.  It also contains the emergency 
alert technology and the fall detection.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 30, 2024, at 7:00 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna and others,
>   Appreciate the input. This is quite interesting, the potential benefits. I 
> took a quick look and see that the series 9 starts at about $400 and the 
> Ultra 2 at about $700 something. I think the series 9 warrants a further 
> look. Which model do you have? Thanks much.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
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> On 5/29/2024 9:56 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi ET,
>> Not Jonathan, but the watch has:
>> Emergency alerts
>> Fall detection
>> Heart monitoring, including EKG
>> I know from personal experience that the emergency feature on the watch 
>> works quite well.  A year and a half ago, when I was in a car accident, my 
>> watch called 911, and also all of my emergency contacts.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>>> On May 30, 2024, at 12:14 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>>   In brief, how would an Apple watch benefit me? Thanks much.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 5/29/2024 1:22 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>>> Apple Watch.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On May 29, 2024, at 1:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>   I am considering some kind of medical device that can interface with 
>>>>> the health app. Can't think off hand the names of these devices but 
>>>>> something that can be useful in the event I have a medical emergency. 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> -Helen Keller
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Re: Apple Health App

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi ET,

Not Jonathan, but the watch has:
Emergency alerts
Fall detection
Heart monitoring, including EKG


I know from personal experience that the emergency feature on the watch works 
quite well.  A year and a half ago, when I was in a car accident, my watch 
called 911, and also all of my emergency contacts.
HTH,
Donna

> On May 30, 2024, at 12:14 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
>   In brief, how would an Apple watch benefit me? Thanks much.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 5/29/2024 1:22 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> Apple Watch.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On May 29, 2024, at 1:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>   I am considering some kind of medical device that can interface with the 
>>> health app. Can't think off hand the names of these devices but something 
>>> that can be useful in the event I have a medical emergency. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
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>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Convert PDF to txt on iPhone or iPad?

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That’s good to hear.  Thanks, Karen.
Donna


> On May 14, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Speaking personally, rtf or txt will fair better.
> That is likely  because of  the different flavors of word, and the goal of 
> robobraille to get items to the simplest  format.
> Hope that resonates,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 May 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Robert and Karen.  Robobraille is an interesting suggestion that 
>> hadn’t occurred to me.  I own Duxbury, so I’ve never used it before.  I just 
>> tried a sample file.  It wasn’t problem free, but I chose to convert it to 
>> Word.  When I opened it in Pages, Pages inserted text boxes, which made it 
>> hard to read.  But I’m wondering if I’ll get better results if I go with Txt 
>> or RTF.  This definitely warrants further explanation.
>> 
>> Again, thank you for the suggestion.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2024, at 4:13 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> Why not send the files to robobraille?
>>> www.robobraille.org
>>> via an email address,
>>> conv...@robobraille.org
>>> the pdf files can be  converted to text in a matter of moments.
>>> You also support a service providing this service in many formats and 
>>> language around the world...and its free.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 14 May 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> While I’m in Italy, I’ll be taking language classes.  I may have a need to 
>>>> convert pdfs to text, and I’m hoping to do it on either my phone or my 
>>>> iPad.  Anyone have a recommendation for an app that will do this?  I know 
>>>> ABBYY will, but it seems kind of like overkill.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Magsafe Charging Pad question ...

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Hi Eileen,I’m really glad you’re asking these questions about the MagSafe charger. I’ve been thinking about getting one for a long time, and just haven’t taken the plunge.  So, though I can’t help you, I’ll be glad to learn from your questions. Good luck!Cheers,DonnaSent from my iPhoneOn May 14, 2024, at 6:42 PM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hello Again, My question(s) this time relate to a MagSafe charging pad for my iphone 15 Pro. Can someone tell me what I need to do to get it charging my phone? Does the charger need  to stay plugged in to charge up before it will charge the phone? I’ve never used one of these so am unsure what needs to be done here. Also I tried placing the phone on the pad with the back side of the phone placed on the charger, should I reverse it so the front screen is on the charger? Do I need to remove the Otter Box or can it stay on the phone during the charge. Sorry to be so stupid about how to use a charger. Thanks again, Eileen



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Re: Convert PDF to txt on iPhone or iPad?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Robert and Karen.  Robobraille is an interesting suggestion that hadn’t 
occurred to me.  I own Duxbury, so I’ve never used it before.  I just tried a 
sample file.  It wasn’t problem free, but I chose to convert it to Word.  When 
I opened it in Pages, Pages inserted text boxes, which made it hard to read.  
But I’m wondering if I’ll get better results if I go with Txt or RTF.  This 
definitely warrants further explanation.

Again, thank you for the suggestion.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 14, 2024, at 4:13 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> Why not send the files to robobraille?
> www.robobraille.org
> via an email address,
> conv...@robobraille.org
> the pdf files can be  converted to text in a matter of moments.
> You also support a service providing this service in many formats and 
> language around the world...and its free.
> 
> Cheers,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 May 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> While I’m in Italy, I’ll be taking language classes.  I may have a need to 
>> convert pdfs to text, and I’m hoping to do it on either my phone or my iPad. 
>>  Anyone have a recommendation for an app that will do this?  I know ABBYY 
>> will, but it seems kind of like overkill.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Convert PDF to txt on iPhone or iPad?

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OK, so now I feel like an idiot for missing the obvious.  Lol. Yes, I do have 
it, I just never use it for that purpose.  Thank you for the reminder.
Donna

> On May 14, 2024, at 3:41 PM, Ian Robinson  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> Do you by any chance have Voice Dream Reader? If so, you may be able to use 
> it to export the text.
> 
> Open the pdf file in VDR, then go to the Document menu and choose “Export All 
> Text”
> From the Share Sheet, choose “Save to Files”.
> 
> How readable the text version is might depend on how the original version was 
> created, but it is worth a try.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
>> On 14 May 2024, at 17:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> While I’m in Italy, I’ll be taking language classes.  I may have a need to 
>> convert pdfs to text, and I’m hoping to do it on either my phone or my iPad. 
>>  Anyone have a recommendation for an app that will do this?  I know ABBYY 
>> will, but it seems kind of like overkill.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Convert PDF to txt on iPhone or iPad?

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Hi all,

While I’m in Italy, I’ll be taking language classes.  I may have a need to 
convert pdfs to text, and I’m hoping to do it on either my phone or my iPad.  
Anyone have a recommendation for an app that will do this?  I know ABBYY will, 
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Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

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Thanks, Matthew.  I think once I get it set up, I’m really going to love it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 13, 2024, at 10:25 AM, matthew dyer  
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> Hi,
> 
> I have the mx keys mini which works with both windows and Mac but can’t 
> commit on the accessibility of the app as I don’t use it.  I have it 
> connected to my windows desktopp as well as my iPad mini as well.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2024, at 7:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The Mac does have one, but it sounds like Michael’s experience is that it 
>> isn’t accessible either.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:41 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would love to use the app but have not found it to be accessible. I’m not 
>>> even sure if the Mac has one. 
>>> But it is not accessible on Windows.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 7:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mervin,
>>>> 
>>>> So you don’t use the app at all?  I ask because it looks like the only way 
>>>> to disable backlighting on the keyboard is in the Logitech app, and it 
>>>> looks like doing that significantly extends battery life.  That would be 
>>>> really convenient for me since I’ll be traveling.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Mervin Keck III  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Logitech sells A Mac only version of the MX keyboard. If this is the one 
>>>>> you have then you have the one I am currently using. And it is totally 
>>>>> accessible. In fact I like it better than the one I am using on my 
>>>>> windows 11 Pro machine which is for both Mac and windows. When using it 
>>>>> on windows 11 Pro there are a couple of keys that do nothing. And windows 
>>>>> keeps trying to install a Logitech app that is 0% accessible. And the 
>>>>> only way I know it is even trying to install it is because my 32GB i7 
>>>>> Carbon X1 Extreme starts revving up like it is ready to take off on a 
>>>>> runway.  
>>>>> The Mac version gives me no issues and does not try to install anything. 
>>>>> And works great. I use the Mac Only Logitech MX on my M1 MacBook Pro but 
>>>>> since it allows me to connect up to 3 devices I also have my iPhone 14 
>>>>> Pro Max paired with it as well. It works great with my iPhone as well.
>>>>> Merv
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 7:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just bought one of these keyboards to take to Europe in lieu of my 
>>>>>> Mac.  Anyone else using one?  One thing I’m wondering about is the Logi 
>>>>>> Options app.  From what I can find, it’s for Mac only.  Can anyone 
>>>>>> confirm or deny?  Second, if you’ve installed it on a Mac, how 
>>>>>> accessible is it?
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
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Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I promise not to post all day about this. :) But I can’t get my Mac to pair 
with the keyboard.  It paired flawlessly with my phone, but I guess if I want 
to use the app, I also have to pair it with my Mac.  When I go into Bluetooth, 
it uses the keyboard, but when I click Connect, nothing happens.  So how did 
those of you with this keyboard pair it with a Mac?  Thanks in advance for any 
help.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 13, 2024, at 7:20 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> The Mac software is probably a bit easier unless you have experience with the 
> JAWS touch cursor. That said, it depends I guess what you want to do. You 
> don’t have to use the software to use the keyboard to be clear.
> 
> You can also switch the function keys to be function keys and their 
> alternatives to require holding down the FN key by pressing and holding 
> FN+escape for a few seconds on each device where you want it to behave this 
> way. I’m fairly certain I had to do this on each device where I connect.
> 
> All this said, I don’t have the software installed at all on two of the three 
> devices where I use this keyboard.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2024, at 11:21 PM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d say Mac, windows is very complexed.
>>> Kliph Sr
>>> Sent from my Mobile Office
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2024, at 9:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kelly,
>>> 
>>> I don’t mind doing that, but I’m pretty limited for time.  Which of the 
>>> two—Windows or Mac—would be easiest to get up and running with?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For what is worth, I have this keyboard and find it to be excellent. With 
>>>> respect to the app on both the Mac and Windows, and my experience while 
>>>> the app would fail pretty much any accessibility standard, I have found a 
>>>> way to use it with both JAWS and VoiceOver. It requires a lot of use of 
>>>> the JAWS touch cursor and VoiceOver commands to activate different items 
>>>> and it is far from efficient. In addition, you have to get familiar with a 
>>>> couple of nameless buttons to recall which one does what task. I’m by no 
>>>> means suggesting I would consider the app usable, unless you are willing 
>>>> to go through all of these hoops.
>>>> 
>>>> Typing on the device for me is excellent and aside from checking battery 
>>>> status I don’t use the app regularly.
>>>> 
>>>> From: 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 8:54 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> Subject: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?
>>>>  
>>>>> Windows does have an app, and yes it is not accessible on the Mac, I had 
>>>>> to get sited help. It’s nice though, cause you can set up keys to open up 
>>>>> folders or do keyboard commands.
>>>>> 
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>>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Mac does have one, but it sounds like Michael’s experience is that 
>>>>>> it isn’t accessible either.
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:41 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would love to use the app but have not found it to be accessible. I’m 

Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I kind of like the alternate function key settings, at least some of them.  If 
I can, there are few I would reassign.  At this point, I can’t even pair it 
with my Mac, because VO isn’t reading out the PIN number. G.
Donna


> On May 13, 2024, at 9:08 AM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is what I did. Hold the FN + Escape to change the Function Key behavior. 
> On the Mac I did not have to do that or have that Option. I have the M1 with 
> the Touch Bar and that may have complicated the issue.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On May 13, 2024, at 8:20 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> The Mac software is probably a bit easier unless you have experience with 
>> the JAWS touch cursor. That said, it depends I guess what you want to do. 
>> You don’t have to use the software to use the keyboard to be clear.
>> 
>> You can also switch the function keys to be function keys and their 
>> alternatives to require holding down the FN key by pressing and holding 
>> FN+escape for a few seconds on each device where you want it to behave this 
>> way. I’m fairly certain I had to do this on each device where I connect.
>> 
>> All this said, I don’t have the software installed at all on two of the 
>> three devices where I use this keyboard.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2024, at 11:21 PM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d say Mac, windows is very complexed.
>>>> Kliph Sr
>>>> Sent from my Mobile Office
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 9:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Kelly,
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t mind doing that, but I’m pretty limited for time.  Which of the 
>>>> two—Windows or Mac—would be easiest to get up and running with?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For what is worth, I have this keyboard and find it to be excellent. With 
>>>>> respect to the app on both the Mac and Windows, and my experience while 
>>>>> the app would fail pretty much any accessibility standard, I have found a 
>>>>> way to use it with both JAWS and VoiceOver. It requires a lot of use of 
>>>>> the JAWS touch cursor and VoiceOver commands to activate different items 
>>>>> and it is far from efficient. In addition, you have to get familiar with 
>>>>> a couple of nameless buttons to recall which one does what task. I’m by 
>>>>> no means suggesting I would consider the app usable, unless you are 
>>>>> willing to go through all of these hoops.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Typing on the device for me is excellent and aside from checking battery 
>>>>> status I don’t use the app regularly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 8:54 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> Subject: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?
>>>>>  
>>>>>> Windows does have an app, and yes it is not accessible on the Mac, I had 
>>>>>> to get sited help. It’s nice though, cause you can set up keys to open 
>>>>>> up folders or do keyboard commands.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Follow SturItUp on WhatsApp <https://wa.me/message/A34DAL4RFOATI1>, 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>&g

Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Kelly,

Thanks so much for all this detailed information.  I’m hoping to be able to do 
the following in the app:
Check battery status
Turn off keyboard backlighting
Create keystrokes for common tasks

May I ask one more question.  Have you gotten the emoji key to work?  I like 
emojis, so it sounds really cool, but when I pressed it, nothing happened.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 13, 2024, at 7:20 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> The Mac software is probably a bit easier unless you have experience with the 
> JAWS touch cursor. That said, it depends I guess what you want to do. You 
> don’t have to use the software to use the keyboard to be clear.
> 
> You can also switch the function keys to be function keys and their 
> alternatives to require holding down the FN key by pressing and holding 
> FN+escape for a few seconds on each device where you want it to behave this 
> way. I’m fairly certain I had to do this on each device where I connect.
> 
> All this said, I don’t have the software installed at all on two of the three 
> devices where I use this keyboard.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2024, at 11:21 PM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d say Mac, windows is very complexed.
>>> Kliph Sr
>>> Sent from my Mobile Office
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2024, at 9:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kelly,
>>> 
>>> I don’t mind doing that, but I’m pretty limited for time.  Which of the 
>>> two—Windows or Mac—would be easiest to get up and running with?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For what is worth, I have this keyboard and find it to be excellent. With 
>>>> respect to the app on both the Mac and Windows, and my experience while 
>>>> the app would fail pretty much any accessibility standard, I have found a 
>>>> way to use it with both JAWS and VoiceOver. It requires a lot of use of 
>>>> the JAWS touch cursor and VoiceOver commands to activate different items 
>>>> and it is far from efficient. In addition, you have to get familiar with a 
>>>> couple of nameless buttons to recall which one does what task. I’m by no 
>>>> means suggesting I would consider the app usable, unless you are willing 
>>>> to go through all of these hoops.
>>>> 
>>>> Typing on the device for me is excellent and aside from checking battery 
>>>> status I don’t use the app regularly.
>>>> 
>>>> From: 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 8:54 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> Subject: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?
>>>>  
>>>>> Windows does have an app, and yes it is not accessible on the Mac, I had 
>>>>> to get sited help. It’s nice though, cause you can set up keys to open up 
>>>>> folders or do keyboard commands.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Follow SturItUp on WhatsApp <https://wa.me/message/A34DAL4RFOATI1>, 
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>>>>> updates and to stream all SturItUp content.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Mac does have one, but it sounds like Michael’s experience is that 
>>>>>> it isn’t accessible either.
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:41 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would love to use the app but have not found it to be accessible. I’m 
>>>>>>> not even sure if

Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Kelly,

I don’t mind doing that, but I’m pretty limited for time.  Which of the 
two—Windows or Mac—would be easiest to get up and running with?
TIA,
Donna

> On May 12, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> For what is worth, I have this keyboard and find it to be excellent. With 
> respect to the app on both the Mac and Windows, and my experience while the 
> app would fail pretty much any accessibility standard, I have found a way to 
> use it with both JAWS and VoiceOver. It requires a lot of use of the JAWS 
> touch cursor and VoiceOver commands to activate different items and it is far 
> from efficient. In addition, you have to get familiar with a couple of 
> nameless buttons to recall which one does what task. I’m by no means 
> suggesting I would consider the app usable, unless you are willing to go 
> through all of these hoops.
> 
> Typing on the device for me is excellent and aside from checking battery 
> status I don’t use the app regularly.
> 
> From: 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 8:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?
>  
>> Windows does have an app, and yes it is not accessible on the Mac, I had to 
>> get sited help. It’s nice though, cause you can set up keys to open up 
>> folders or do keyboard commands.
>> 
>> Follow SturItUp on WhatsApp <https://wa.me/message/A34DAL4RFOATI1>, Facebook 
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>> 
>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Mac does have one, but it sounds like Michael’s experience is that it 
>>> isn’t accessible either.
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:41 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would love to use the app but have not found it to be accessible. I’m 
>>>> not even sure if the Mac has one. 
>>>> But it is not accessible on Windows.
>>>> Merv
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 7:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Mervin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> So you don’t use the app at all?  I ask because it looks like the only 
>>>>> way to disable backlighting on the keyboard is in the Logitech app, and 
>>>>> it looks like doing that significantly extends battery life.  That would 
>>>>> be really convenient for me since I’ll be traveling.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Mervin Keck III  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Logitech sells A Mac only version of the MX keyboard. If this is the one 
>>>>>> you have then you have the one I am currently using. And it is totally 
>>>>>> accessible. In fact I like it better than the one I am using on my 
>>>>>> windows 11 Pro machine which is for both Mac and windows. When using it 
>>>>>> on windows 11 Pro there are a couple of keys that do nothing. And 
>>>>>> windows keeps trying to install a Logitech app that is 0% accessible. 
>>>>>> And the only way I know it is even trying to install it is because my 
>>>>>> 32GB i7 Carbon X1 Extreme starts revving up like it is ready to take off 
>>>>>> on a runway.  
>>>>>> The Mac version gives me no issues and does not try to install anything. 
>>>>>> And works great. I use the Mac Only Logitech MX on my M1 MacBook Pro but 
>>>>>> since it allows me to connect up to 3 devices I also have my iPhone 14 
>>>>>> Pro Max paired with it as well. It works great with my iPhone as well.
>>>>>> Merv
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>

Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

The Mac does have one, but it sounds like Michael’s experience is that it isn’t 
accessible either.
Donna

> On May 12, 2024, at 6:41 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would love to use the app but have not found it to be accessible. I’m not 
> even sure if the Mac has one. 
> But it is not accessible on Windows.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2024, at 7:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mervin,
>> 
>> So you don’t use the app at all?  I ask because it looks like the only way 
>> to disable backlighting on the keyboard is in the Logitech app, and it looks 
>> like doing that significantly extends battery life.  That would be really 
>> convenient for me since I’ll be traveling.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Mervin Keck III  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Logitech sells A Mac only version of the MX keyboard. If this is the one 
>>> you have then you have the one I am currently using. And it is totally 
>>> accessible. In fact I like it better than the one I am using on my windows 
>>> 11 Pro machine which is for both Mac and windows. When using it on windows 
>>> 11 Pro there are a couple of keys that do nothing. And windows keeps trying 
>>> to install a Logitech app that is 0% accessible. And the only way I know it 
>>> is even trying to install it is because my 32GB i7 Carbon X1 Extreme starts 
>>> revving up like it is ready to take off on a runway.  
>>> The Mac version gives me no issues and does not try to install anything. 
>>> And works great. I use the Mac Only Logitech MX on my M1 MacBook Pro but 
>>> since it allows me to connect up to 3 devices I also have my iPhone 14 Pro 
>>> Max paired with it as well. It works great with my iPhone as well.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2024, at 7:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I just bought one of these keyboards to take to Europe in lieu of my Mac.  
>>>> Anyone else using one?  One thing I’m wondering about is the Logi Options 
>>>> app.  From what I can find, it’s for Mac only.  Can anyone confirm or 
>>>> deny?  Second, if you’ve installed it on a Mac, how accessible is it?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That’s too bad.  But thanks for letting me know.  Do you happen to know if 
there’s an alternate way to disable backlighting on the keyboard?  I haven’t 
found one, but I only got the keyboard this afternoon.

I agree with you and Mervin re the keyboard.  It’s very comfortable to use, and 
so far seems pretty intuitive.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 12, 2024, at 6:23 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> I am using this keyboard right now and like it.
> 
> Sadly, I have not had any success on mac with the Logi Options, it was 
> completely inaccessible.
> 
> Have a wonderful day.
> 
> Best
> Michael - KJ7PAZ
> Payown Media, LLC
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 4:08 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
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Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

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Hi Mervin,

So you don’t use the app at all?  I ask because it looks like the only way to 
disable backlighting on the keyboard is in the Logitech app, and it looks like 
doing that significantly extends battery life.  That would be really convenient 
for me since I’ll be traveling.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 12, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Mervin Keck III  wrote:
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> Logitech sells A Mac only version of the MX keyboard. If this is the one you 
> have then you have the one I am currently using. And it is totally 
> accessible. In fact I like it better than the one I am using on my windows 11 
> Pro machine which is for both Mac and windows. When using it on windows 11 
> Pro there are a couple of keys that do nothing. And windows keeps trying to 
> install a Logitech app that is 0% accessible. And the only way I know it is 
> even trying to install it is because my 32GB i7 Carbon X1 Extreme starts 
> revving up like it is ready to take off on a runway.  
> The Mac version gives me no issues and does not try to install anything. And 
> works great. I use the Mac Only Logitech MX on my M1 MacBook Pro but since it 
> allows me to connect up to 3 devices I also have my iPhone 14 Pro Max paired 
> with it as well. It works great with my iPhone as well.
> Merv
> 
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>> Hi all,
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>> Anyone else using one?  One thing I’m wondering about is the Logi Options 
>> app.  From what I can find, it’s for Mac only.  Can anyone confirm or deny?  
>> Second, if you’ve installed it on a Mac, how accessible is it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

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Hi all,

I just bought one of these keyboards to take to Europe in lieu of my Mac.  
Anyone else using one?  One thing I’m wondering about is the Logi Options app.  
From what I can find, it’s for Mac only.  Can anyone confirm or deny?  Second, 
if you’ve installed it on a Mac, how accessible is it?
TIA,
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Re: HomePod mini not what I've expected but..

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Hi Anders,

Re using the display on the top of the Mini:

First, you won’t need to do that very often, because you can do just about 
everything using Siri and/or your I-device.

Second, to use it easily, orient it so that the chord is directly in back of 
you, e.g. from you, to the speaker to the chord is a straight line.  Now, the 
play/pause button is in the center, and the increase/decrease volume buttons 
are on the right and left respectively.  Now you can turn the volume up by 
tapping the right side of the speaker, and down by tapping the left.
HTH,
Donna

> On May 8, 2024, at 6:28 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>   Hi!
> So I have finally set up my HomePod mini.
> For me things went quite smooth and easy but there are things I didn’t 
> expected.
> I thought they would look like any speaker you get on the market but they are 
> not.
> They look like two  balls with a flat top.
> Not what I had expected.
> THey didn’t have any batteries either which to me was a bit of a drawback but 
> now I have have them and they won’t go back to apple because the sound is 
> quite ok and the functionality is something I really like.
> One thing which was cool was the indoor temperature functionality and the 
> humidity functionality.
> But for being that small the sound is quite great even though the stereo 
> spreading from a pair could be better.
> Maybe I have missed something but I don’t think so.
> The display on the top works with VOiceOver but since its round and not 
> rectangular its a bit tricky to use at least for me.
> But I guess that’s a learning curve.
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Re: HomePod mini

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I have never used iPod Minies as a stereo pair. I tend to use the minis in 
smaller rooms such as my office, and I use them as standalone.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2024, at 1:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> But if I use one HomePod then I won’t have stereo sound right?
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 29 apr. 2024 kl. 20:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Anders,
>> 
>> I don’t know about mounting them, but I would think so.  Each mini is sold 
>> separately.  If you want them to function as a stereo pair, you set that up 
>> in settings, otherwise, they will each function independently.  And yes, 
>> each one has its own power supply.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Apr 29, 2024, at 1:19 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi!
>>> I am a bit interested in the HomePod mini.
>>> And since its a stereo pair I am wondering if its possible to hang them on 
>>> the wall?
>>> I also am interested in if there are  one  power unit to drive the both 
>>> HomePods or if I have to have one for each HomePod?
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
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Re: HomePod mini

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You can play music directly from your Mac, iPhone, or iPad.DonnaSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 30, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Eiret  wrote:Encrypted. Interesting. I like the idea of local encryption in home. Is the only way to run homepods via siri and homekit app ? Would apple remote hardware physical remote work ? Does the homepads have bluetooth ?Nice with privacy when listening to music so no other can troll with the sound.Eiret30. apr. 2024 kl. 20:35 skrev 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries :The mini won’t give you that great of stereo sound even with a pair, JMO
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Re: HomePod mini

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Hi Eiret and all,

I would have to hunt down that link, and I don’t have time.  The problem I 
encountered was that I was sold a mini running an antiquated version of the 
HomeKit.  Between that version and the current one, Apple had tightened 
security by encrypting everything, which meant that I couldn’t connect my new 
Mini to my home.  I did eventually get it to work, it just took a long time and 
a lot of work.
Best,
Donna

> On Apr 29, 2024, at 8:34 PM, Eiret  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> A few weeks ago i think you posted a link to a forum about homepod regarding 
> some strange error. If memory is good, they said the homepods are secured 
> with encryption when using airplay. 
> Are you able to repost the link ?
> I think amazon have things to hit on the wall and put homepod in it. Not from 
> apple, but third party.
> Eiret 
> 
>> 29. apr. 2024 kl. 20:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Anders,
>> 
>> I don’t know about mounting them, but I would think so.  Each mini is sold 
>> separately.  If you want them to function as a stereo pair, you set that up 
>> in settings, otherwise, they will each function independently.  And yes, 
>> each one has its own power supply.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2024, at 1:19 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Hi!
>>> I am a bit interested in the HomePod mini.
>>> And since its a stereo pair I am wondering if its possible to hang them on 
>>> the wall?
>>> I also am interested in if there are  one  power unit to drive the both 
>>> HomePods or if I have to have one for each HomePod?
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
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Re: HomePod mini

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Anders,

I don’t know about mounting them, but I would think so.  Each mini is sold 
separately.  If you want them to function as a stereo pair, you set that up in 
settings, otherwise, they will each function independently.  And yes, each one 
has its own power supply.
Best,
Donna


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> I am a bit interested in the HomePod mini.
> And since its a stereo pair I am wondering if its possible to hang them on 
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> I also am interested in if there are  one  power unit to drive the both 
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Re: Macintosh vs iPad

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Hi Jonathan,

I had the same idea a couple of years ago.  My experience was that, using an 
iPad Mini and a Mantis Q40, it took more keystrokes to accomplish the same 
task.  One place I noticed this was in Mail.  Just navigating around, composing 
and reading mail, basically everything seemed to take more keystrokes.  So I’m 
back on my M1 Mac. Again, this was a couple of years ago.  And from what I’ve 
read about Apple’s upcoming special announcement, they’re about to introduce 
new iPads.  So, YMMV.
Best,
Donna

> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I know this has been discussed before, but there are new system now I need to 
> get a new primary  system and am considering if a iPad with keyboard might 
> make more sense than a MacBook. 
> I keep imagining that I will do some programming on the Macintosh, but 
> realistically for personal use I end up only composing mail and simple 
> documents, using the Agenda app and reading web pages. I believe all of these 
> could be done quite well on an iPad.
> Generally my programming ambitions are filled at work where I do some JAWS 
> scripting either to narrow down issues or for clients. Also, these days I am 
> trying to reduce my computer time.
> For those that have both an iPad and a M1, M2 or M3 Mac, when do you feel the 
> need to use the Mac instead of your iPad. When does the iPad seem 
> particularly frustrating  .
> Thanks for your input!
> Jonathan 
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Battery drain issue

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Well, of course.  Now that I’ve sent this out to the list and to Apple 
Accessibility, I woke up this morning, and the battery drain was exactly what 
it should be. Lol. Not only that, I’m back on my usual voice.  Go figure.  
Still wondering if it will stick, but I guess I’ll wait and see.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I was Kinda surprised by that too, Brad, and they didn’t say.  The only reason 
I can imagine is that the two issues started at the same time, so it does seem 
like there’s a possibility that they are related.
Best,
Donna

> On Apr 25, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Why would they tell you to call Accessibility to discuss the battery issue.
> I don’t see how this could have anything to do with accessibility.
> This seems like a blow-off move.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2024, at 16:52, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I heard back from Apple.  They are looking into the Samantha issue.  They’ve 
> suggested I call accessibility to discuss the battery issue.  I will do that 
> when time permits.
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone called apple accessibility directly about the problem?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Mine is using Samantha right now, and I absolutely can’t get it to change 
>>> back, no matter what I do.  That voice really grates on me.  She sounds 
>>> like she has been out drinking and smoking all night and has a bad 
>>> hangover. Lol
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just saw that language switch thing yesterday. I had never seen it 
>>>> before. In my case, I have Samantha set, but then it sometimes just 
>>>> switches to Russian, which I also have. But I don’t want it except if I’m 
>>>> trying to read Russian, which I don’t usually do on the watch.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 9:34 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, wow!  That must be really annoying.  It’s bad enough with both 
>>>>> voices speaking English. I will write to accessibility right now.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> Yes I have that Samantha thing happening too and I am using Swedish Alva.
>>>>>> It takes time to switch her back to Swedish and stop her from speaking 
>>>>>> Swedish with the Samantha Voice.
>>>>>> So write to the accessibility team and I will give them feedback as I am 
>>>>>> a beta tester.
>>>>>> Bless.
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 25 apr. 2024 kl. 15:05 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and one more weird thing.  This one happens during the day, when 
>>>>>>> not in sleep mode.  My watch keeps switching back to Samantha.  
>>>>>>> Currently, I am unable to get it back to Siri voice 4, my usual voice.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Gabe,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, 
>>>>>>>> the problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, 
>>>>>>>> it was at 100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 
>>>>>>>> 56%.  But it’s definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I 
>>>>>>>> force power off the watch, and when it comes back up with sleep mode 
>>>>>>>> off, the battery behaves normally.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and 
>>>>>>>>> close any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, 
>>>>>>>>> if your battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all 
>>>>>>>>> apps 

Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I heard back from Apple.  They are looking into the Samantha issue.  They’ve 
suggested I call accessibility to discuss the battery issue.  I will do that 
when time permits.
Donna

> On Apr 25, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone called apple accessibility directly about the problem?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Mine is using Samantha right now, and I absolutely can’t get it to change 
>> back, no matter what I do.  That voice really grates on me.  She sounds like 
>> she has been out drinking and smoking all night and has a bad hangover. Lol
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just saw that language switch thing yesterday. I had never seen it 
>>> before. In my case, I have Samantha set, but then it sometimes just 
>>> switches to Russian, which I also have. But I don’t want it except if I’m 
>>> trying to read Russian, which I don’t usually do on the watch.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 9:34 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, wow!  That must be really annoying.  It’s bad enough with both voices 
>>>> speaking English. I will write to accessibility right now.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Yes I have that Samantha thing happening too and I am using Swedish Alva.
>>>>> It takes time to switch her back to Swedish and stop her from speaking 
>>>>> Swedish with the Samantha Voice.
>>>>> So write to the accessibility team and I will give them feedback as I am 
>>>>> a beta tester.
>>>>> Bless.
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 25 apr. 2024 kl. 15:05 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and one more weird thing.  This one happens during the day, when not 
>>>>>> in sleep mode.  My watch keeps switching back to Samantha.  Currently, I 
>>>>>> am unable to get it back to Siri voice 4, my usual voice.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Gabe,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, 
>>>>>>> the problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, it 
>>>>>>> was at 100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 56%.  
>>>>>>> But it’s definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I force 
>>>>>>> power off the watch, and when it comes back up with sleep mode off, the 
>>>>>>> battery behaves normally.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and 
>>>>>>>> close any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, 
>>>>>>>> if your battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all 
>>>>>>>> apps and then restarting your watch again
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gabe
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 7:44 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since 
>>>>>>>>> this started.  Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then 
>>>>>>>>> the next night the same thing happens.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>&

Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Mine is using Samantha right now, and I absolutely can’t get it to change back, 
no matter what I do.  That voice really grates on me.  She sounds like she has 
been out drinking and smoking all night and has a bad hangover. Lol
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 25, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I just saw that language switch thing yesterday. I had never seen it before. 
> In my case, I have Samantha set, but then it sometimes just switches to 
> Russian, which I also have. But I don’t want it except if I’m trying to read 
> Russian, which I don’t usually do on the watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 9:34 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, wow!  That must be really annoying.  It’s bad enough with both voices 
>> speaking English. I will write to accessibility right now.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes I have that Samantha thing happening too and I am using Swedish Alva.
>>> It takes time to switch her back to Swedish and stop her from speaking 
>>> Swedish with the Samantha Voice.
>>> So write to the accessibility team and I will give them feedback as I am a 
>>> beta tester.
>>> Bless.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 25 apr. 2024 kl. 15:05 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and one more weird thing.  This one happens during the day, when not 
>>>> in sleep mode.  My watch keeps switching back to Samantha.  Currently, I 
>>>> am unable to get it back to Siri voice 4, my usual voice.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Gabe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, 
>>>>> the problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, it 
>>>>> was at 100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 56%.  
>>>>> But it’s definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I force power 
>>>>> off the watch, and when it comes back up with sleep mode off, the battery 
>>>>> behaves normally.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and 
>>>>>> close any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, if 
>>>>>> your battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all apps 
>>>>>> and then restarting your watch again 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gabe 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 7:44 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since this 
>>>>>>> started.  Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then the 
>>>>>>> next night the same thing happens.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Try restarting your watch, and see if that helps.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 07:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple 
>>>>>>>> Watch battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it 
>>>>>>>> was at 100%, and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before 
>>>>>>>> this week, it would generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The 
>>>>>>>> other thing that seems strange, is that when I went to take it out of 
>>>>>>>> sleep mode, there appeared to be some

Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, wow!  That must be really annoying.  It’s bad enough with both voices 
speaking English. I will write to accessibility right now.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 25, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes I have that Samantha thing happening too and I am using Swedish Alva.
> It takes time to switch her back to Swedish and stop her from speaking 
> Swedish with the Samantha Voice.
> So write to the accessibility team and I will give them feedback as I am a 
> beta tester.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 25 apr. 2024 kl. 15:05 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Oh, and one more weird thing.  This one happens during the day, when not in 
>> sleep mode.  My watch keeps switching back to Samantha.  Currently, I am 
>> unable to get it back to Siri voice 4, my usual voice.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Gabe,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, the 
>>> problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, it was at 
>>> 100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 56%.  But it’s 
>>> definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I force power off the 
>>> watch, and when it comes back up with sleep mode off, the battery behaves 
>>> normally.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and close 
>>>> any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, if your 
>>>> battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all apps and then 
>>>> restarting your watch again 
>>>> 
>>>> Gabe 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 7:44 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since this 
>>>>> started.  Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then the next 
>>>>> night the same thing happens.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Try restarting your watch, and see if that helps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 07:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple Watch 
>>>>>> battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it was at 
>>>>>> 100%, and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before this week, 
>>>>>> it would generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The other thing 
>>>>>> that seems strange, is that when I went to take it out of sleep mode, 
>>>>>> there appeared to be some kind of count-down timer running.  Anyone have 
>>>>>> any idea what could be going on?
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
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Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, and one more weird thing.  This one happens during the day, when not in 
sleep mode.  My watch keeps switching back to Samantha.  Currently, I am unable 
to get it back to Siri voice 4, my usual voice.
Thanks,
Donna

> On Apr 25, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gabe,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, the 
> problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, it was at 
> 100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 56%.  But it’s 
> definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I force power off the 
> watch, and when it comes back up with sleep mode off, the battery behaves 
> normally.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and close 
>> any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, if your 
>> battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all apps and then 
>> restarting your watch again 
>> 
>> Gabe 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 7:44 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since this 
>>> started.  Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then the next 
>>> night the same thing happens.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Try restarting your watch, and see if that helps.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 07:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple Watch 
>>>> battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it was at 
>>>> 100%, and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before this week, 
>>>> it would generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The other thing 
>>>> that seems strange, is that when I went to take it out of sleep mode, 
>>>> there appeared to be some kind of count-down timer running.  Anyone have 
>>>> any idea what could be going on?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Gabe,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I’ve tried that, with no change.  In fact, the 
problem is getting worse.  Last night when I went to bed at ten, it was at 
100%.  When I woke up at 3:30 this morning, it was down to 56%.  But it’s 
definitely related to sleep mode.  When I get up, I force power off the watch, 
and when it comes back up with sleep mode off, the battery behaves normally.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:24 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I'd also double tap the side button to bring up the app switcher and close 
> any apps that appear like they might be battery drainers. Heck, if your 
> battery is draining that fast it might be worth closing all apps and then 
> restarting your watch again 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 7:44 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since this 
>> started.  Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then the next 
>> night the same thing happens.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try restarting your watch, and see if that helps.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 07:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple Watch 
>>> battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it was at 
>>> 100%, and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before this week, it 
>>> would generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The other thing that 
>>> seems strange, is that when I went to take it out of sleep mode, there 
>>> appeared to be some kind of count-down timer running.  Anyone have any idea 
>>> what could be going on?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

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Did that.  I have been force powering it off every morning since this started.  
Once I do that, everything is back to normal, but then the next night the same 
thing happens.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 24, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Try restarting your watch, and see if that helps.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 07:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple Watch 
> battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it was at 100%, 
> and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before this week, it would 
> generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The other thing that seems 
> strange, is that when I went to take it out of sleep mode, there appeared to 
> be some kind of count-down timer running.  Anyone have any idea what could be 
> going on?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Apple Watch rapid battery drain during sleep

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

For the past three days, I’ve been waking up to find that my Apple Watch 
battery is severely drained.  When I went to bed last night, it was at 100%, 
and when I woke up this morning, it was at 56%.  Before this week, it would 
generally be right around 92% when I woke up.  The other thing that seems 
strange, is that when I went to take it out of sleep mode, there appeared to be 
some kind of count-down timer running.  Anyone have any idea what could be 
going on?
TIA,
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Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

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Hi Erik,

I have never had any success with getting Rules to work.  Not sure why.  But 
that’s why I was so glad to discover this solution.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 19, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> I wish the same worked better for gmail. Like you, I faced a large incursion 
> of junk mail in my iCloud account. Your solution is one of several. Another 
> good one involves the use of rules on your mail client (in my case, the mail 
> app client found in OS X/XI/XII, etc). So far, it is proving to be a possible 
> workable solution. And yes, when you see over 1k spams in the spam folder on 
> gmail, you need all the help you can get.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:15 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just learned 
>> about, and it has turned out to be very handy.
>> 
>> Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All you 
>> have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  I was 
>> skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  Forwarding these 
>> messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails a day, to one, if that. 
>>  When you’re getting as much junk mail as I was, it’s kind of a pain to have 
>> to forward every message, but it really does work.  It was only a matter of 
>> a few days before my junk mail started dropping off dramatically.
>> 
>> As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to do 
>> about excessive junk mail, so I thought there might be others here would 
>> benefit as well.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

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I think that the way it works is that Apple adjusts its filters to filter out 
those emails.  For addresses like gmail, that would be the responsibility of 
Google.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 9:06 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I suspect then this is something that you would not use for third-party 
> addresses like Gmail. 
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 08:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Kliph,
>> 
>> I was getting it at my me.com <http://me.com/> address, which is an iCloud 
>> Addie.  Hopefully you will continue not to get much junk mail, but I thought 
>> I’d let you know that it can happen, even with an iCloud address.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:46 AM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice tip, I use iCloud.com <http://icloud.com/>, so I don’t get much junk, 
>>> but will pass this tip along.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:15 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just learned 
>>>> about, and it has turned out to be very handy.
>>>> 
>>>> Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All you 
>>>> have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  I was 
>>>> skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  Forwarding 
>>>> these messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails a day, to one, 
>>>> if that.  When you’re getting as much junk mail as I was, it’s kind of a 
>>>> pain to have to forward every message, but it really does work.  It was 
>>>> only a matter of a few days before my junk mail started dropping off 
>>>> dramatically.
>>>> 
>>>> As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to do 
>>>> about excessive junk mail, so I thought there might be others here would 
>>>> benefit as well.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

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Kliph,

I was getting it at my me.com <http://me.com/> address, which is an iCloud 
Addie.  Hopefully you will continue not to get much junk mail, but I thought 
I’d let you know that it can happen, even with an iCloud address.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:46 AM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Nice tip, I use iCloud.com <http://icloud.com/>, so I don’t get much junk, 
> but will pass this tip along.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:15 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just learned 
>> about, and it has turned out to be very handy.
>> 
>> Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All you 
>> have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  I was 
>> skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  Forwarding these 
>> messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails a day, to one, if that. 
>>  When you’re getting as much junk mail as I was, it’s kind of a pain to have 
>> to forward every message, but it really does work.  It was only a matter of 
>> a few days before my junk mail started dropping off dramatically.
>> 
>> As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to do 
>> about excessive junk mail, so I thought there might be others here would 
>> benefit as well.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

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I’m using my me.com <http://me.com/> address.
Donna

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Are you using an iCloud address?
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 08:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just learned 
>> about, and it has turned out to be very handy.
>> 
>> Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All you 
>> have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  I was 
>> skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  Forwarding these 
>> messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails a day, to one, if that. 
>>  When you’re getting as much junk mail as I was, it’s kind of a pain to have 
>> to forward every message, but it really does work.  It was only a matter of 
>> a few days before my junk mail started dropping off dramatically.
>> 
>> As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to do 
>> about excessive junk mail, so I thought there might be others here would 
>> benefit as well.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Recommendations for a keyboard for an iPad mini?

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Never heard of this one.  Thanks, Anders.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 8, 2024, at 2:54 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The mx keyboard is beautiful and can also be used with other devices.
> It has 3 bluetooth Channels so you can connect 3 devices.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 7 apr. 2024 kl. 21:25 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> I am probably one of the few who still likes full-size keyboards with lots 
>> of key travel and mechanical switches. To that end, I recently purchased a 
>> Logitech MX mechanical keyboard to use with my iPad mini. It is certainly 
>> larger than most. It has the full number pad. It has some spacing between 
>> the different sets of keys. It has the arrow keys with space around them so 
>> you can actually tell where and what they are. so it may not be for you. But 
>> it’s cheaper than the Apple keyboard for sure. I got it at Best Buy and I 
>> don’t remember what I paid, but I saw the Apple keyboards there and they 
>> were substantially more money.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2024, at 8:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Subject says it all.  I need a keyboard for my iPad mini.  Appreciate any 
>>> and all recommendations.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Recommendations for a keyboard for an iPad mini?

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Hi Mary,

Sounds like a nice keyboard.  However, I’m buying mine to take to Europe, so 
the need for a smaller size is an important factor.

And yeah, the Apple keyboards are pricy.  So that’s one thing I was wondering - 
whether there is anything in particular about the Apple Magic Keyboard that 
justifies the higher price tag.
Cheers,
Donna
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 7, 2024, at 2:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I am probably one of the few who still likes full-size keyboards with lots of 
> key travel and mechanical switches. To that end, I recently purchased a 
> Logitech MX mechanical keyboard to use with my iPad mini. It is certainly 
> larger than most. It has the full number pad. It has some spacing between the 
> different sets of keys. It has the arrow keys with space around them so you 
> can actually tell where and what they are. so it may not be for you. But it’s 
> cheaper than the Apple keyboard for sure. I got it at Best Buy and I don’t 
> remember what I paid, but I saw the Apple keyboards there and they were 
> substantially more money.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2024, at 8:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Subject says it all.  I need a keyboard for my iPad mini.  Appreciate any 
>> and all recommendations.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Recommendations for a keyboard for an iPad mini?

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Hi Michael,

Yeah, I was at an Apple store recently looking at the Magic Keyboard.  Looks 
very nice.  I’d probably get the smaller one, because I don’t really have a 
need for the numberpad. I was thinking I’d either get that one or one of the 
Logitechs.  I don’t think I’ve seen the keys to go, but I will check it out.  
Thank you for the recommendation.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 7, 2024, at 1:21 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, one Bluetooth keyboard that you could get, that would probably work 
> could be the Apple Magic Keyboard. They sell it in the Apple store. I have an 
> iPad Pro, and I chose to get the larger Apple Magic Keyboard with the number 
> pad on it. This keyboard works with my iPad. I believe the only difference 
> between the iPad that I have in the one that you have is probably the size. 
> There are probably some other keyboards that would work, but the Apple magic 
> is the one that I know that works. If you wanted to look at other keyboards, 
> you could look at the logitech keys to go keyboard which they sell at Best 
> Buy. The logitech keys to go. Keyboard works with my iPhone, and, would 
> probably work with my iPad if I wanted to use that keyboard with it.  if you 
> have any questions, you’re welcome to email me off the list if you wish. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2024, at 10:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Subject says it all.  I need a keyboard for my iPad mini.  Appreciate any 
>> and all recommendations.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Recommendations for a keyboard for an iPad mini?

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Hi all,

Subject says it all.  I need a keyboard for my iPad mini.  Appreciate any and 
all recommendations.
Cheers,
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

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That did work for me.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 5:59 PM, Christina  wrote:
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> Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
> That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
> Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.
> 
> Christina
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> I have no explanation.
>> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
>> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
>> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
>> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
>> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
>> Perhaps that makes a difference.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Brad,
>> 
>> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
>> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>>> preview pain will be gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview 
>>> pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering 
>>> the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>>> showing.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
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Any web devs here?

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Hi all,

If there are any web developers on this list, could you please contact me 
privately? Email is doniado...@me.com .
TIA,
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Re: More on the HomePod from hell

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Hi Mary,

Yeah, I just checked the pricing, and it appears to run about $600.  So no, not 
cheap.  But of all the Sonos products we've purchased, it was by far the most 
worthwhile purchase.  We purchased ours back in 2018, and have never had a 
minute of trouble.  My only complaint about it is that like all the Sonos 
products, it’s prone to dropping out of the system.  However, that happens less 
frequently than it used to, and when it does, it’s easy to reconnect it in 
Control Center.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 30, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Well good for you keeping those speakers. I think I’ve heard of Sonos amps, 
> and I imagine they’re pretty pricey. I still have my old Adcom power amp and 
> a preamp that dates from Gali sometime in the 80s maybe. A long time ago. It 
> sounds great. But there’s no Bluetooth or anything anywhere, hence the 
> HomePods. Like you, I used to have a giant collection of albums and then CDs. 
> The albums are gone as is my beloved B and O turntable, and I ripped all the 
> CDs into whatever lossless codec was at the time back when I had a Mac. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2024, at 6:46 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I wish I knew for sure.  I think some of my trouble was created by me.  I 
>> had the “clever” idea Thursday night that if I could pair it with my old 
>> iPhone 7, which I still keep around as a music player, it wouldn’t connect 
>> to our home, but should be able to connect to our wireless network.  My hope 
>> was that that would allow it to update, which would then allow me to reset 
>> it, and set it up again using my iPhone 14 pro.  But, and I don’t totally 
>> understand this, when you reset a HomePod, it still holds on to some of your 
>> settings. So when I connected it to my Mac, it downloaded software version 
>> 17.2, which, though not the current version was current enough for it to 
>> connect with our home.  But, it still seemed to have had stuff from the 
>> earlier pairing, so instead of updating, somehow it seems to have downgraded 
>> our Home software, which meant that nothing worked. I do know that something 
>> like that happened because after I finally got it to work yesterday, I was 
>> prompted again to upgrade everything to the new home infrastructure.  At 
>> that point it was late, and I was tired, so I reset the HomePod and went to 
>> bed, leaving the Mini unplugged overnight and all the next morning.  When I 
>> finally had time to get back to it, the setup worked.  It got setup in our 
>> home, and then immediately updated.
>> 
>> By the way, re your stereo, we solved that problem by buying a Sonos amp.  
>> My husband built a pair of speakers when he was in college, and to this day 
>> I think they’re some of the best speakers I’ve heard.  So, even though we 
>> wanted to go to a wireless system, there was no way we were giving up those 
>> speakers.  I don’t remember the price of the amp, but it works very well, 
>> and gives us the option of having my husband’s speakers in our Home setup.  
>> Just thought I’d let you know that’s an option, in case it’s of interest. 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how did you get your problem resolved, Donna? I know they finally 
>>> figured out a way to charge iPhones in the store which is a good thing, 
>>> since that caused a big mess. I don’t think they’ve done that with 
>>> HomePods. So how did you get yours done? I still have my pair of old 
>>> HomePods connected in the front room. I love old-fashioned stereo, and the 
>>> HomePods don’t compare with my big fat great stereo speakers. The only 
>>> problem is, they don’t make equipment that connects like that anymore 
>>> unless you want to spend we big bucks. So, we’re stuck with all this 
>>> wireless crap. This is not progress, but what can you do?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 7:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Karen. It all worked out in the end. Well I respect your choice 
>>>> to continue using your stereo, personally I love voice control. I love 
>>>> that I can use it to do things and get more stuff done. We all choose the 
>>>> technology that is most comfortable for us. Well I recognize that HomePods 
>>>> may not be your choice, they were mine. And when we purchased this HomePod 
>>>> mini, we had no expectation of the trials that awaited us. I do think 
&

Re: Warning to anyone looking to buy a HomePod: apparently Apple thinks it's OK to sell paperweights disguised as Homepods

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

You know, we’re so deep into the Apple ecosystem that if we ever decide to 
leave it, it’s going to cost us a bloody fortune.  So at this point, it doesn’t 
really matter. Lol
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 1, 2024, at 5:46 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> For me the fact that HomePods do not have any sort of Bluetooth or casting 
> capability is a no-go for me! In case I ever want to leave the Apple 
> ecosystem I can't believe the only thing they let you do is airplay well I 
> guess I can believe it lol!
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024, 3:17 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>> Hi Matthew,
>> 
>> I haven’t had any problems like that, but I never play music from my Mac. I 
>> always either play it using Siri, or using my phone. And none of our 
>> HomePods ever drop out, unless we’ve been having network issues.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2024, at 1:57 PM, Matthew Dyer >> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have had my current homepod for several years and it works well with 
>>> really only one problem which I have yet to figure out.  When playing music 
>>> on any of my macs, the device will just randomly drop out for some reason.  
>>> I have consitered getting a mini, but have not desided yet.  I have a 
>>> electa which works with my sirius XM account as well as my thurmastate.  
>>> Its certainly an intresting issue with my music cutting out.  This does not 
>>> happen with my ipad mini 5.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/24 12:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Actually, the HomePod is a good product.  The problem isn’t that the 
>>>> HomePod was defective, it’s that Apple shouldn’t ship them out without 
>>>> first upgrading them to a software version supported by HomeKit.
>>>> 
>>>> In terms of performance, once it’s connected to Home, it does quite well, 
>>>> I think.  We used to have Sonos speakers, and they were constantly 
>>>> dropping out and needing to be reconnected or reset.  I don’t have any of 
>>>> that with the HomePods.  Also, I think Apple does a much better job of 
>>>> managing security than Amazon Alexa does.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 31, 2024, at 11:09 AM, Michael Irons  
>>>>> <mailto:theleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everybody I am inclined to agree with Anders Holmberg about the 
>>>>> HomePod. I don’t want to get HomePod either. It sounds like Apple has 
>>>>> turned out something that has some pretty serious defects in it. I am 
>>>>> getting along with a Google home speaker and an Alexa device that my dad 
>>>>> invited me to take with me when I moved out of his house. I also have a 
>>>>> Google home hub which seems to work pretty good. Both of these devices 
>>>>> can be updated. I would hope that Apple would understand about their 
>>>>> defective product and work on a remedy to fix it. I feel bad for those 
>>>>> people that were unfortunate enough to get a HomePod. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2024, at 10:57 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> I don’t want to get a HomePod.
>>>>>> Not for this reason but I do not need it.
>>>>>> However it seems very very clunky and unacceptable to me.
>>>>>> I once was an apple fanboy but now a days I am not a fanboy of any brand.
>>>>>> Bless.
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 29 mars 2024 kl. 02:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I just wanted to share this with the list, as it could potentially 
>>>>>>> impact anyone considering the purchase of a HomePod or HomePod mini.  
>>>>>>> Feel free to share with anyone who might benefit.
>>>>>>> 
&g

Re: Warning to anyone looking to buy a HomePod: apparently Apple thinks it's OK to sell paperweights disguised as Homepods

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Matthew,I haven’t had any problems like that, but I never play music from my Mac. I always either play it using Siri, or using my phone. And none of our HomePods ever drop out, unless we’ve been having network issues.Cheers,DonnaSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 31, 2024, at 1:57 PM, Matthew Dyer  wrote:

  

  
  
Hi,


I have had my current homepod for several years and it works well
  with really only one problem which I have yet to figure out.  When
  playing music on any of my macs, the device will just randomly
  drop out for some reason.  I have consitered getting a mini, but
  have not desided yet.  I have a electa which works with my sirius
  XM account as well as my thurmastate.  Its certainly an intresting
  issue with my music cutting out.  This does not happen with my
  ipad mini 5.


Matthew




On 3/31/24 12:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via
  MacVisionaries wrote:

Actually,
  the HomePod is a good product.  The problem isn’t that the HomePod
  was defective, it’s that Apple shouldn’t ship them out without
  first upgrading them to a software version supported by HomeKit.
  
  
  In terms of performance, once it’s connected to Home, it does
quite well, I think.  We used to have Sonos speakers, and they
were constantly dropping out and needing to be reconnected or
reset.  I don’t have any of that with the HomePods.  Also, I
think Apple does a much better job of managing security than
Amazon Alexa does.
  Cheers,
  Donna

  
On Mar 31, 2024, at 11:09 AM, Michael Irons
   wrote:


  Hello everybody I am inclined to agree
with Anders Holmberg about the HomePod. I don’t want to
get HomePod either. It sounds like Apple has turned out
something that has some pretty serious defects in it. I
am getting along with a Google home speaker and an Alexa
device that my dad invited me to take with me when I
moved out of his house. I also have a Google home hub
which seems to work pretty good. Both of these devices
can be updated. I would hope that Apple would understand
about their defective product and work on a remedy to
fix it. I feel bad for those people that were
unfortunate enough to get a HomePod. 

Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 31, 2024, at 10:57 AM,
Anders Holmberg  wrote:

  


  Hi!
I don’t want to get a HomePod.
Not for this reason but I do not need it.
However it seems very very clunky and
  unacceptable to me.
I once was an apple fanboy but now a days I am
  not a fanboy of any brand.
Bless.
/A
  

  29 mars 2024 kl. 02:43 skrev 'Donna
Goodin' via MacVisionaries
:
  
  
Hi all,
  
  
  I just wanted to share this with the
list, as it could potentially impact
anyone considering the purchase of a
HomePod or HomePod mini.  Feel free to
share with anyone who might benefit.
  
  
  After spending an entire afternoon
trying to set up our new HomePod mini, I
found the following article.  Buyer
beware!  Apparently Apple thinks it’s
just fine to sell these things.  I plan
on returning mine, and will only buy
another if the people at the Apple Store
can definitively prove that it is
running a more recent software version

Re: Warning to anyone looking to buy a HomePod: apparently Apple thinks it's OK to sell paperweights disguised as Homepods

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Actually, the HomePod is a good product.  The problem isn’t that the HomePod 
was defective, it’s that Apple shouldn’t ship them out without first upgrading 
them to a software version supported by HomeKit.

In terms of performance, once it’s connected to Home, it does quite well, I 
think.  We used to have Sonos speakers, and they were constantly dropping out 
and needing to be reconnected or reset.  I don’t have any of that with the 
HomePods.  Also, I think Apple does a much better job of managing security than 
Amazon Alexa does.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 31, 2024, at 11:09 AM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody I am inclined to agree with Anders Holmberg about the 
> HomePod. I don’t want to get HomePod either. It sounds like Apple has turned 
> out something that has some pretty serious defects in it. I am getting along 
> with a Google home speaker and an Alexa device that my dad invited me to take 
> with me when I moved out of his house. I also have a Google home hub which 
> seems to work pretty good. Both of these devices can be updated. I would hope 
> that Apple would understand about their defective product and work on a 
> remedy to fix it. I feel bad for those people that were unfortunate enough to 
> get a HomePod. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2024, at 10:57 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I don’t want to get a HomePod.
>> Not for this reason but I do not need it.
>> However it seems very very clunky and unacceptable to me.
>> I once was an apple fanboy but now a days I am not a fanboy of any brand.
>> Bless.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 29 mars 2024 kl. 02:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to share this with the list, as it could potentially impact 
>>> anyone considering the purchase of a HomePod or HomePod mini.  Feel free to 
>>> share with anyone who might benefit.
>>> 
>>> After spending an entire afternoon trying to set up our new HomePod mini, I 
>>> found the following article.  Buyer beware!  Apparently Apple thinks it’s 
>>> just fine to sell these things.  I plan on returning mine, and will only 
>>> buy another if the people at the Apple Store can definitively prove that it 
>>> is running a more recent software version.
>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/20/homepod-bug-advanced-data-protection/#
>>> The text of the article follows:
>>> 
>>> To use Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, all the devices logged into 
>>> your Apple ID require a minimum software version. That includes HomePod 
>>> speakers, which must be running at least HomePod software 16.2. 
>>> 
>>> However, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman 
>>> <https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1616115559715975168>, there is a bug 
>>> in the Home app that prevents HomePods running older versions of the 
>>> software from being updated if iCloud end-to-end encryption has been turned 
>>> on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This means anyone buying a HomePod that ships with an OS older than 16.2 
>>> won't be able to set it up, because doing so first requires an update.
>>> 
>>> Apple's support document explains what options are available to customers 
>>> facing this predicament. If the speaker in question is a HomePod mini, 
>>> users can connect it to a Mac via the USB-C cable and update it through 
>>> Finder (or iTunes on a PC) by selecting the HomePod in the Finder sidebar 
>>> and clicking the Restore HomePod option. This will update the speaker to 
>>> the latest software, after which it can be properly set up.
>>> 
>>> The full-size first-generation HomePod and the new 2023 HomePod have no 
>>> USB-C port, so unless Apple includes a fix in iOS 16.3, which is expected 
>>> to be released next week, owners of these speakers will have to temporarily 
>>> turn off Advanced Data Protection to update the HomePod software. Apple 
>>> outlines how to do that in the following way:
>>> 
>>> Turn off Advanced Data Protection in iCloud settings on your iPhone, iPad, 
>>> or Mac: In Settings or System Settings, tap your name, then tap iCloud. 
>>> Scroll to Advanced Data Protection and turn off Advanced Data Protection.
>>> If you received an error message when you previously tried to set up your 
>>> HomePod, you may need to reset your HomePod 
>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/reset-your-homepod/>. Then set up your 
>>> HomePod <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-your-n

Re: More on the HomePod from hell

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Mark.  Yeah, it was beyond ridiculous, but at least the ending was a 
happy one. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> I've been following this thread and I am so glad you got everything up and 
> running.  What a chore.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 6:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: More on the HomePod from hell
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I wish I knew for sure.  I think some of my trouble was created by me.  I had 
> the “clever” idea Thursday night that if I could pair it with my old iPhone 
> 7, which I still keep around as a music player, it wouldn’t connect to our 
> home, but should be able to connect to our wireless network.  My hope was 
> that that would allow it to update, which would then allow me to reset it, 
> and set it up again using my iPhone 14 pro.  But, and I don’t totally 
> understand this, when you reset a HomePod, it still holds on to some of your 
> settings. So when I connected it to my Mac, it downloaded software version 
> 17.2, which, though not the current version was current enough for it to 
> connect with our home.  But, it still seemed to have had stuff from the 
> earlier pairing, so instead of updating, somehow it seems to have downgraded 
> our Home software, which meant that nothing worked. I do know that something 
> like that happened because after I finally got it to work yesterday, I was 
> prompted again to upgrade everything to the new home infrastructure.  At that 
> point it was late, and I was tired, so I reset the HomePod and went to bed, 
> leaving the Mini unplugged overnight and all the next morning.  When I 
> finally had time to get back to it, the setup worked.  It got setup in our 
> home, and then immediately updated.
> 
> By the way, re your stereo, we solved that problem by buying a Sonos amp.  My 
> husband built a pair of speakers when he was in college, and to this day I 
> think they’re some of the best speakers I’ve heard.  So, even though we 
> wanted to go to a wireless system, there was no way we were giving up those 
> speakers.  I don’t remember the price of the amp, but it works very well, and 
> gives us the option of having my husband’s speakers in our Home setup.  Just 
> thought I’d let you know that’s an option, in case it’s of interest.  
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> So how did you get your problem resolved, Donna? I know they finally figured 
>> out a way to charge iPhones in the store which is a good thing, since that 
>> caused a big mess. I don’t think they’ve done that with HomePods. So how did 
>> you get yours done? I still have my pair of old HomePods connected in the 
>> front room. I love old-fashioned stereo, and the HomePods don’t compare with 
>> my big fat great stereo speakers. The only problem is, they don’t make 
>> equipment that connects like that anymore unless you want to spend we big 
>> bucks. So, we’re stuck with all this wireless crap. This is not progress, 
>> but what can you do? 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 7:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Karen. It all worked out in the end. Well I respect your choice to 
>>> continue using your stereo, personally I love voice control. I love that I 
>>> can use it to do things and get more stuff done. We all choose the 
>>> technology that is most comfortable for us. Well I recognize that HomePods 
>>> may not be your choice, they were mine. And when we purchased this HomePod 
>>> mini, we had no expectation of the trials that awaited us. I do think 
>>> apples quality control has gone downhill a lot, and I think this is just 
>>> the latest example of that, unfortunately.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Donna,
>>>> I am deeply sorry this situation is so frustrating.
>>>> I  also respect your personal choices for your personal enjoyment of what 
>>>> the  Homepods provide for you.
>>>> Hopefully others will provide a path not requiring you to reconfigure 
>>>> everything from scratch.
>>>> Downloading an older edition of the software seems odd indeed.
>>>> Karen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>&g

Re: More on the HomePod from hell

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Karen,

I *love vinyl, but boy I don’t miss storing all that. :). I had a *huge* album 
collection back in the day, which was later replaced by a pretty sizable CD 
collection. Although they’re smaller, the storage was starting to get on my 
nerves.  I’ve kept some of my favorite cds, mostly because our internet goes 
out frequently.  When that happens, we have an AB switch connected to the 
speakers my husband built, that switches between the Sonos amp—connected to our 
home system—and a CD player.  So in a way we have the best of both worlds. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 9:59 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> YOu are welcome Donna,
> I do resonate with your  feelings about apple quality control.
> These devices are not personally options for me just now, a secondary 
> disability experience making them unsafe to use.
> Still, I have  my cozy stereo near my sofa, where music is, for me a physical 
> experience holding album covers and cd cases  rich with memories, and hours 
> of  both songwriting and music making..and you have your voice control smiles.
> Glad there was a solution in the end.
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Karen. It all worked out in the end. Well I respect your choice to 
>> continue using your stereo, personally I love voice control. I love that I 
>> can use it to do things and get more stuff done. We all choose the 
>> technology that is most comfortable for us. Well I recognize that HomePods 
>> may not be your choice, they were mine. And when we purchased this HomePod 
>> mini, we had no expectation of the trials that awaited us. I do think apples 
>> quality control has gone downhill a lot, and I think this is just the latest 
>> example of that, unfortunately.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> I am deeply sorry this situation is so frustrating.
>>> I  also respect your personal choices for your personal enjoyment of what 
>>> the  Homepods provide for you.
>>> Hopefully others will provide a path not requiring you to reconfigure 
>>> everything from scratch.
>>> Downloading an older edition of the software seems odd indeed.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> First of all, it appears that getting a full-sized one wouldn’t solve the 
>>>> problem.  In the discussions I saw on the internet, both devices were 
>>>> mentioned.  Second, when we’re in the kitchen, we’re usually also doing 
>>>> other things, so there’s no real need to spend the money for full-sized 
>>>> HomePod.
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, an understandable reason.
>>>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>>> Curious why not simply getting a second full sized homepod would not work 
>>>>> though?
>>>>> Speaking personally if I ever reach that level of need, that they are not 
>>>>> sold  in pairs automatically will either insure I get them, or skip the 
>>>>> process all together smiles.
>>>>> but hey I sill play my music on a stereo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> We had one full-sized HomePod in the kitchen, which served as our 
>>>>>> primary hub, and another in the family room.  We decided that in the 
>>>>>> kitchen we could do with just a mini, and that would allow us to move 
>>>>>> the kitchen HomePod to the Family room and create a stereo pair.
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ,Donna,
>>>>>>> I have a question.
>>>>>>> what need motivated your adding this new homepod in the first place?
>>>>>>> What in your current set up was no longer working to your  satisfaction 
>>>>>>> leading to your needing a new option?
>>>>>>> Just curious, especially given  this latest chapter.
>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>&

Re: More on the HomePod from hell

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mary,

I wish I knew for sure.  I think some of my trouble was created by me.  I had 
the “clever” idea Thursday night that if I could pair it with my old iPhone 7, 
which I still keep around as a music player, it wouldn’t connect to our home, 
but should be able to connect to our wireless network.  My hope was that that 
would allow it to update, which would then allow me to reset it, and set it up 
again using my iPhone 14 pro.  But, and I don’t totally understand this, when 
you reset a HomePod, it still holds on to some of your settings. So when I 
connected it to my Mac, it downloaded software version 17.2, which, though not 
the current version was current enough for it to connect with our home.  But, 
it still seemed to have had stuff from the earlier pairing, so instead of 
updating, somehow it seems to have downgraded our Home software, which meant 
that nothing worked. I do know that something like that happened because after 
I finally got it to work yesterday, I was prompted again to upgrade everything 
to the new home infrastructure.  At that point it was late, and I was tired, so 
I reset the HomePod and went to bed, leaving the Mini unplugged overnight and 
all the next morning.  When I finally had time to get back to it, the setup 
worked.  It got setup in our home, and then immediately updated.

By the way, re your stereo, we solved that problem by buying a Sonos amp.  My 
husband built a pair of speakers when he was in college, and to this day I 
think they’re some of the best speakers I’ve heard.  So, even though we wanted 
to go to a wireless system, there was no way we were giving up those speakers.  
I don’t remember the price of the amp, but it works very well, and gives us the 
option of having my husband’s speakers in our Home setup.  Just thought I’d let 
you know that’s an option, in case it’s of interest.  
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> So how did you get your problem resolved, Donna? I know they finally figured 
> out a way to charge iPhones in the store which is a good thing, since that 
> caused a big mess. I don’t think they’ve done that with HomePods. So how did 
> you get yours done? I still have my pair of old HomePods connected in the 
> front room. I love old-fashioned stereo, and the HomePods don’t compare with 
> my big fat great stereo speakers. The only problem is, they don’t make 
> equipment that connects like that anymore unless you want to spend we big 
> bucks. So, we’re stuck with all this wireless crap. This is not progress, but 
> what can you do? 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 7:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Karen. It all worked out in the end. Well I respect your choice to 
>> continue using your stereo, personally I love voice control. I love that I 
>> can use it to do things and get more stuff done. We all choose the 
>> technology that is most comfortable for us. Well I recognize that HomePods 
>> may not be your choice, they were mine. And when we purchased this HomePod 
>> mini, we had no expectation of the trials that awaited us. I do think apples 
>> quality control has gone downhill a lot, and I think this is just the latest 
>> example of that, unfortunately.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> I am deeply sorry this situation is so frustrating.
>>> I  also respect your personal choices for your personal enjoyment of what 
>>> the  Homepods provide for you.
>>> Hopefully others will provide a path not requiring you to reconfigure 
>>> everything from scratch.
>>> Downloading an older edition of the software seems odd indeed.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> First of all, it appears that getting a full-sized one wouldn’t solve the 
>>>> problem.  In the discussions I saw on the internet, both devices were 
>>>> mentioned.  Second, when we’re in the kitchen, we’re usually also doing 
>>>> other things, so there’s no real need to spend the money for full-sized 
>>>> HomePod.
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, an understandable reason.
>>>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>>> Curious why not simply getting a second full sized homepod would not work 
>>>>> though?
>>>>> Speaking personally if I ever reach that level of need, that they are

Re: More on the HomePod from hell

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Karen. It all worked out in the end. Well I respect your choice to 
continue using your stereo, personally I love voice control. I love that I can 
use it to do things and get more stuff done. We all choose the technology that 
is most comfortable for us. Well I recognize that HomePods may not be your 
choice, they were mine. And when we purchased this HomePod mini, we had no 
expectation of the trials that awaited us. I do think apples quality control 
has gone downhill a lot, and I think this is just the latest example of that, 
unfortunately.
Cheers,
Donna 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> I am deeply sorry this situation is so frustrating.
> I  also respect your personal choices for your personal enjoyment of what the 
>  Homepods provide for you.
> Hopefully others will provide a path not requiring you to reconfigure 
> everything from scratch.
> Downloading an older edition of the software seems odd indeed.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> First of all, it appears that getting a full-sized one wouldn’t solve the 
>> problem.  In the discussions I saw on the internet, both devices were 
>> mentioned.  Second, when we’re in the kitchen, we’re usually also doing 
>> other things, so there’s no real need to spend the money for full-sized 
>> HomePod.
>> Donna
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, an understandable reason.
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> Curious why not simply getting a second full sized homepod would not work 
>>> though?
>>> Speaking personally if I ever reach that level of need, that they are not 
>>> sold  in pairs automatically will either insure I get them, or skip the 
>>> process all together smiles.
>>> but hey I sill play my music on a stereo.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We had one full-sized HomePod in the kitchen, which served as our primary 
>>>> hub, and another in the family room.  We decided that in the kitchen we 
>>>> could do with just a mini, and that would allow us to move the kitchen 
>>>> HomePod to the Family room and create a stereo pair.
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ,Donna,
>>>>> I have a question.
>>>>> what need motivated your adding this new homepod in the first place?
>>>>> What in your current set up was no longer working to your  satisfaction 
>>>>> leading to your needing a new option?
>>>>> Just curious, especially given  this latest chapter.
>>>>> Kare
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi again all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, late last night I finally got my new Mini to download a more current 
>>>>>> software version by connecting it to My Mac and using Finder.  However, 
>>>>>> for reasons I can’t begin to fathom, it downloaded 17.2, instead of 
>>>>>> 17.4, which is what the rest of my Home is running.  I have my HomePods 
>>>>>> set to update automatically, so I figured I’d just set it up, and it 
>>>>>> would update automatically overnight.  But apparently that was too much 
>>>>>> to hope for.  Instead, it made a wreck of my home in the Home app.  I 
>>>>>> have devices that have had multiple names, as I have moved them to 
>>>>>> different rooms.  All those devices reverted back to an older name.  And 
>>>>>> none of my accessories, other than the HomePods are responding.  Does 
>>>>>> anyone have an idea what happened or thoughts on a possible fix?  I’d 
>>>>>> really love to avoid deleting my Home and setting it up from scratch.
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
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Re: More on the HomePod from hell

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

First of all, it appears that getting a full-sized one wouldn’t solve the 
problem.  In the discussions I saw on the internet, both devices were 
mentioned.  Second, when we’re in the kitchen, we’re usually also doing other 
things, so there’s no real need to spend the money for full-sized HomePod.
Donna

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Ah, an understandable reason.
> Thanks for sharing.
> Curious why not simply getting a second full sized homepod would not work 
> though?
> Speaking personally if I ever reach that level of need, that they are not 
> sold  in pairs automatically will either insure I get them, or skip the 
> process all together smiles.
> but hey I sill play my music on a stereo.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> We had one full-sized HomePod in the kitchen, which served as our primary 
>> hub, and another in the family room.  We decided that in the kitchen we 
>> could do with just a mini, and that would allow us to move the kitchen 
>> HomePod to the Family room and create a stereo pair.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ,Donna,
>>> I have a question.
>>> what need motivated your adding this new homepod in the first place?
>>> What in your current set up was no longer working to your  satisfaction 
>>> leading to your needing a new option?
>>> Just curious, especially given  this latest chapter.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi again all,
>>>> 
>>>> So, late last night I finally got my new Mini to download a more current 
>>>> software version by connecting it to My Mac and using Finder.  However, 
>>>> for reasons I can’t begin to fathom, it downloaded 17.2, instead of 17.4, 
>>>> which is what the rest of my Home is running.  I have my HomePods set to 
>>>> update automatically, so I figured I’d just set it up, and it would update 
>>>> automatically overnight.  But apparently that was too much to hope for.  
>>>> Instead, it made a wreck of my home in the Home app.  I have devices that 
>>>> have had multiple names, as I have moved them to different rooms.  All 
>>>> those devices reverted back to an older name.  And none of my accessories, 
>>>> other than the HomePods are responding.  Does anyone have an idea what 
>>>> happened or thoughts on a possible fix?  I’d really love to avoid deleting 
>>>> my Home and setting it up from scratch.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: More on the HomePod from hell

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We had one full-sized HomePod in the kitchen, which served as our primary hub, 
and another in the family room.  We decided that in the kitchen we could do 
with just a mini, and that would allow us to move the kitchen HomePod to the 
Family room and create a stereo pair.
Donna

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> ,Donna,
> I have a question.
> what need motivated your adding this new homepod in the first place?
> What in your current set up was no longer working to your  satisfaction 
> leading to your needing a new option?
> Just curious, especially given  this latest chapter.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi again all,
>> 
>> So, late last night I finally got my new Mini to download a more current 
>> software version by connecting it to My Mac and using Finder.  However, for 
>> reasons I can’t begin to fathom, it downloaded 17.2, instead of 17.4, which 
>> is what the rest of my Home is running.  I have my HomePods set to update 
>> automatically, so I figured I’d just set it up, and it would update 
>> automatically overnight.  But apparently that was too much to hope for.  
>> Instead, it made a wreck of my home in the Home app.  I have devices that 
>> have had multiple names, as I have moved them to different rooms.  All those 
>> devices reverted back to an older name.  And none of my accessories, other 
>> than the HomePods are responding.  Does anyone have an idea what happened or 
>> thoughts on a possible fix?  I’d really love to avoid deleting my Home and 
>> setting it up from scratch.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

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I wonder if it’s a big sir issue. It would be interesting to know what OS Catherine is running. Because I cannot get it to budge past 45%. I use column layout, too.Cheers,DonnaSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:I have no explanation.Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.Perhaps that makes a difference.- Brad -


On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Brad,Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 45%.  Still running Big Sur.DonnaOn Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the preview pain will be gone.HTH.- Brad -On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still showing.  Any ideas?Thanks,Catherine

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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

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Brad,

Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
45%.  Still running Big Sur.
Donna



> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
> preview pain will be gone.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane 
> in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the 
> divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
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> Thanks,
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More on the HomePod from hell

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Hi again all,

So, late last night I finally got my new Mini to download a more current 
software version by connecting it to My Mac and using Finder.  However, for 
reasons I can’t begin to fathom, it downloaded 17.2, instead of 17.4, which is 
what the rest of my Home is running.  I have my HomePods set to update 
automatically, so I figured I’d just set it up, and it would update 
automatically overnight.  But apparently that was too much to hope for.  
Instead, it made a wreck of my home in the Home app.  I have devices that have 
had multiple names, as I have moved them to different rooms.  All those devices 
reverted back to an older name.  And none of my accessories, other than the 
HomePods are responding.  Does anyone have an idea what happened or thoughts on 
a possible fix?  I’d really love to avoid deleting my Home and setting it up 
from scratch.
TIA,
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

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Hi Katherine,

It used to be the case that VO users could do that too.  But I just tried it, 
and got similar results to yours.  I was able to get the vertical splitter down 
to 14%, and now it says collapsed.  But the preview pain still shows. Very 
strange.
Donna

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:02 AM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
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> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
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Re: How to restore my iPhone?

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That’s what I thought.  Thanks, Brad.
Donna

> On Mar 28, 2024, at 11:11 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> No.  You must wipe your device, and setup from a backup.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 28, 2024, at 22:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi again, all,
> 
> So in the process of trying to make this * new iPod work, I seem to have 
> corrupted the home app.  None of my accessories work any more, except the 
> previously working HomePods.  I assume the only thing I can do at this point 
> is to restore from a backup.  Is that correct?  If yes, is there some way to 
> do this other than resetting the whole phone?
> Thanks,
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How to restore my iPhone?

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Hi again, all,

So in the process of trying to make this * new iPod work, I seem to have 
corrupted the home app.  None of my accessories work any more, except the 
previously working HomePods.  I assume the only thing I can do at this point is 
to restore from a backup.  Is that correct?  If yes, is there some way to do 
this other than resetting the whole phone?
Thanks,
Donna

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Warning to anyone looking to buy a HomePod: apparently Apple thinks it's OK to sell paperweights disguised as Homepods

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Hi all,

I just wanted to share this with the list, as it could potentially impact 
anyone considering the purchase of a HomePod or HomePod mini.  Feel free to 
share with anyone who might benefit.

After spending an entire afternoon trying to set up our new HomePod mini, I 
found the following article.  Buyer beware!  Apparently Apple thinks it’s just 
fine to sell these things.  I plan on returning mine, and will only buy another 
if the people at the Apple Store can definitively prove that it is running a 
more recent software version.
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/20/homepod-bug-advanced-data-protection/#
Apple Details What to Do If You Can't Update HomePod When Advanced Data 
Protection Is Enabled
macrumors.com

The text of the article follows:

To use Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, all the devices logged into your 
Apple ID require a minimum software version. That includes HomePod speakers, 
which must be running at least HomePod software 16.2. 

However, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman 
, there is a bug in 
the Home app that prevents HomePods running older versions of the software from 
being updated if iCloud end-to-end encryption has been turned on.


This means anyone buying a HomePod that ships with an OS older than 16.2 won't 
be able to set it up, because doing so first requires an update.

Apple's support document explains what options are available to customers 
facing this predicament. If the speaker in question is a HomePod mini, users 
can connect it to a Mac via the USB-C cable and update it through Finder (or 
iTunes on a PC) by selecting the HomePod in the Finder sidebar and clicking the 
Restore HomePod option. This will update the speaker to the latest software, 
after which it can be properly set up.

The full-size first-generation HomePod and the new 2023 HomePod have no USB-C 
port, so unless Apple includes a fix in iOS 16.3, which is expected to be 
released next week, owners of these speakers will have to temporarily turn off 
Advanced Data Protection to update the HomePod software. Apple outlines how to 
do that in the following way:

Turn off Advanced Data Protection in iCloud settings on your iPhone, iPad, or 
Mac: In Settings or System Settings, tap your name, then tap iCloud. Scroll to 
Advanced Data Protection and turn off Advanced Data Protection.
If you received an error message when you previously tried to set up your 
HomePod, you may need to reset your HomePod 
. Then set up your 
HomePod .
Update your HomePod to the latest software using the Home app. 
Turn on Advanced Data Protection in iCloud settings on your iPhone, iPad, or 
Mac: In Settings or System Settings, tap your name, then tap iCloud. Scroll to 
Advanced Data Protection and turn on Advanced Data Protection.
Apple advises anyone who temporarily turns off Advanced Data Protection to turn 
it back on immediately after their HomePod software is updated.

Best, Donna

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More on Homepod

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

So apparently the problem I’m having is well-documented.  Apple seems to think 
it’s fine to ship out HomePods with old software that cannot then be updated, 
because they can’t connect to the home network.  GRRR.

I read an article suggesting that you can update a HomePod in this situation by 
connecting it to your Mac via USB, and then accessing it either via Find or 
iTunes and Clicking Restore.  I tried that, but I can’t see the device in 
either iTunes or Finder.  Anyone know how to do this?
TIA,
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Re: Problem setting up HomePod Mini

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Did that.  Also reset the Mini 3 different times.  I’ve also called Apple 
Support.  Seems this is a known issue.  The Mini was shipped with software 
version 15.3, and cannot update to the new home infrastructure, which is what 
everything else in my home is running..
Best,
Donna

> On Mar 28, 2024, at 5:09 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Try unplugging and replugging in the unit.
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2024, at 15:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I recently purchased a new HomePod mini for the kitchen.  When I try to set 
>> it up, I get a message saying the HomePod needs to update, and will not be 
>> available until it’s done.  In the Home app, it’s been saying that the Mini 
>> is “configuring” for about an hour now.  Has anyone seen this?  Does anyone 
>> know what to do about it?  Barring some way to address this issue, I’m 
>> assuming I’ll have to return it, but thought I’d ask here first to see if 
>> anyone knows of a solution.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Problem setting up HomePod Mini

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I recently purchased a new HomePod mini for the kitchen.  When I try to set it 
up, I get a message saying the HomePod needs to update, and will not be 
available until it’s done.  In the Home app, it’s been saying that the Mini is 
“configuring” for about an hour now.  Has anyone seen this?  Does anyone know 
what to do about it?  Barring some way to address this issue, I’m assuming I’ll 
have to return it, but thought I’d ask here first to see if anyone knows of a 
solution.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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Yes, it does.
Best,
Donna

> On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:26 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> So the mantis works with Mac?
> I am about to get a new display and I would like to have the mantis as it has 
> a keyboard.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 23 mars 2024 kl. 15:35 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Orbit has just announced a display with a qwerty keyboard that will start 
>> shipping in June.
>> 
>> I had a Mantis, but sold it.  I loved the unit, but had trouble using the 
>> thumb keys due to arthritis in my thumbs.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 9:30 AM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>>> Orbit has a qwerty keyboard? I thought it was a braille style keyboard? 
>>>> Donna, have you tried the mantis? I have been using it for 3 years and 
>>>> love it. Even has a note taker and some of the bookshare sites built into 
>>>> it.
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>>>>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 8:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, 
>>>>> and I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a 
>>>>> qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the 
>>>>> Orbit reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember 
>>>>> that at least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about 
>>>>> the Orbit reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said 
>>>>> it’s compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a 
>>>>> Mac or an iPhone?
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That’s really too bad about the Orbit.  But I guess you get what you pay for. 
*sigh*. It would really be nice if people didn’t have to break the bank to get 
a braille display.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 24, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Regarding VarioUltra, no they've not incorporated wi-fi. If you look for a 
> USB-C cable, I seem to remember they will tell you if it's for charging only.
> 
> About the Orbit Reeder: I actually did purchase one, but when I got it I,too, 
> realized just how noisy and slow the Braille cells are when refreshing. Also, 
> right out of the box, two of the cells had dots not working. The place I got 
> it from did have a 15-day return policy and I was able to ship it back to 
> them on time so was able to get a refund. I now have a Mantis which replaced 
> my Focus display. Its main purpose in my life is to be a terminal for my PC 
> and for several Apple devices. I love having the QWERTY keyboard for when I'm 
> writing stuff on my Apple devices.
> 
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> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:39:05 AM UTC-7 jasonj...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> On 24/3/24 13:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> I assume you bought it from those Envision people?  It didn’t seem to me
>>>  like they were very organized, and I was worried they wouldn’t be able 
>>> to make a go of it.  Have they added Wifi to the Vario?
>> 
>> The only change I am aware of on the hardware side is that it now has a 
>> USB-C port.
>> 
>> Obviously, that's good for the Mac, which is USB-C only.
>> 
>> Incidentally, in case anyone here knows, what type of USB-C cable would I 
>> need to connect
>> 
>>  a braille display to the Mac directly, without a USB-A to USB-C adapter? 
>> Based on what I've read, some USB-C cables are for charging only, and others 
>> are for data transfer - I'm not sure how I would find out which was which in 
>> making a purchase.
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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I assume you bought it from those Envision people?  It didn’t seem to me like 
they were very organized, and I was worried they wouldn’t be able to make a go 
of it.  Have they added Wifi to the Vario?
Cheers,
Donna


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> On 24/3/24 12:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I *loved my VarioUltra!  Of all the nonQWERTY braille displays I’ve 
>> used, it was my favorite.  I kept my Vario for years after Baum folded, but 
>> eventually it bit the dust.
> 
> I bought mine new last year.
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I *loved my VarioUltra!  Of all the nonQWERTY braille displays I’ve used, 
it was my favorite.  I kept my Vario for years after Baum folded, but 
eventually it bit the dust.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 24, 2024, at 11:15 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 24/3/24 11:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I’ve never seen the 20-cell version, but yes.  The forty-cell units have
>>  three buttons at either end of the braille cels.  They’re very handy.
> BAUM displays (now manufactured by VisioBraille) also have three keys at 
> either end of the display.
> 
> My VarioUltra also has two space keys at the very front, a selector button 
> between them (it's a five-position button - four navigational directions plus 
> selection in the centre), and four system keys, also in the front. The 
> braille keyboard is behind the display.
> 
> It's Mac-compatible, although I haven't found third-party Mac software for 
> accessing the Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) storage on the braille display. 
> This storage holds documents in any of the supported file formats.
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve never seen the 20-cell version, but yes.  The forty-cell units have three 
buttons at either end of the braille cels.  They’re very handy.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 24, 2024, at 10:20 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> I didn't know the 40-cell Brailliant had panning buttons at either end of the 
> display in addition to the thumb keys. I have the 20-cell unit, which does 
> not have those, but I have heard that the 40-cell Brailliant has more buttons 
> than the one I have.
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Sunday, March 24, 2024 09:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
> 
> Yeah.  So far it's only in my thumbs, so if the display has panning buttons 
> on either end of the braille cells, I'm fine.  The Brailliant does have that, 
> but the Mantis does not.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I would rather pay more for a device that will work reliably for at 
>> least a few years before having to be sent in than have a cheap display that 
>> has to be sent in potentially several times a year for repairs. Personally, 
>> I love the thumb keys on Humanware displays, but you're not the first person 
>> who has told me that they're very difficult to use for people who have 
>> arthritis in their hands.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 02:20 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
>> 
>> Hi Jessica,
>> Wow!  I'm sorry to hear that you had so many problems with the device, all 
>> the more since you had the opportunity to test several different units.  A 
>> Braille display whose cells don't last is definitely no deal, no matter how 
>> great the price tag is.  Glad you have your BrailleSense 6, so at least you 
>> weren't completely reliant on the Orbit Reader.  Thanks for telling me about 
>> your experience.  I have to say that has me leaning away from buying it.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I tested several Orbit Readers for my braille and talking book library, and 
>>> they all broke down within a few months, if not sooner. I loved the braille 
>>> cells when they were all in good working order, so I bought an Orbit Reader 
>>> 20 Plus shortly after it was released, hoping that the longevity of the 
>>> braille cells had improved. After eight or nine months, two of the cells 
>>> had stopped working correctly. I got the BrailleSense 6 around the same 
>>> time, so the Orbit just sat unused on a shelf for a while before I got it 
>>> repaired. After that I donated it to an organization I'm in because I 
>>> wanted to get rid of it but didn't feel as though I should ask for money 
>>> for a product I had already had such bad luck with. I know there are people 
>>> who have had good luck with the Orbit Reader, but I would not recommend it 
>>> to anyone.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 09:08 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and 
>>> I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a 
>>> qwerty keyboard.  I'd love to hear about people's experience with the Orbit 
>>> reader.  I realize it won't be the new display, but I do remember that at 
>>> least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit 
>>> reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it's 
>>> compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or 
>>> an iPhone?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, it is.  That was a big reason for my looking into the Activator.  I still 
might end up buying one, just because there’s no other viable Braille display 
qwerty combo.  I currently have an old Focus44 hooked up to my PC desktop, but 
as you can probably imagine, the dots are getting harder and harder to read.  
Pretty soon I’m going to have to retire it, and I’d really love to have the 
display and the keyboard in one device..
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 24, 2024, at 9:14 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> 
> 
> On 24/3/24 09:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Yeah.  So far it’s only in my thumbs, so if the display has panning 
>> buttons on either end of the braille cells, I’m fine.  The Brailliant 
>> does have that, but the Mantis does not.
> In this situation, would the Active Tactile Control of HelpTech displays be 
> an advantage? It would reduce key presses considerably.
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah.  So far it’s only in my thumbs, so if the display has panning buttons on 
either end of the braille cells, I’m fine.  The Brailliant does have that, but 
the Mantis does not.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I would rather pay more for a device that will work reliably for at 
> least a few years before having to be sent in than have a cheap display that 
> has to be sent in potentially several times a year for repairs. Personally, I 
> love the thumb keys on Humanware displays, but you're not the first person 
> who has told me that they're very difficult to use for people who have 
> arthritis in their hands.
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 02:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
> 
> Hi Jessica,
> Wow!  I'm sorry to hear that you had so many problems with the device, all 
> the more since you had the opportunity to test several different units.  A 
> Braille display whose cells don't last is definitely no deal, no matter how 
> great the price tag is.  Glad you have your BrailleSense 6, so at least you 
> weren't completely reliant on the Orbit Reader.  Thanks for telling me about 
> your experience.  I have to say that has me leaning away from buying it.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> I tested several Orbit Readers for my braille and talking book library, and 
>> they all broke down within a few months, if not sooner. I loved the braille 
>> cells when they were all in good working order, so I bought an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 Plus shortly after it was released, hoping that the longevity of the 
>> braille cells had improved. After eight or nine months, two of the cells had 
>> stopped working correctly. I got the BrailleSense 6 around the same time, so 
>> the Orbit just sat unused on a shelf for a while before I got it repaired. 
>> After that I donated it to an organization I'm in because I wanted to get 
>> rid of it but didn't feel as though I should ask for money for a product I 
>> had already had such bad luck with. I know there are people who have had 
>> good luck with the Orbit Reader, but I would not recommend it to anyone.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 09:08 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and 
>> I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
>> keyboard.  I'd love to hear about people's experience with the Orbit reader. 
>>  I realize it won't be the new display, but I do remember that at least 
>> early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader. 
>>  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it's compatible with 
>> Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jessica,

Wow!  I’m sorry to hear that you had so many problems with the device, all the 
more since you had the opportunity to test several different units.  A Braille 
display whose cells don’t last is definitely no deal, no matter how great the 
price tag is.  Glad you have your BrailleSense 6, so at least you weren’t 
completely reliant on the Orbit Reader.  Thanks for telling me about your 
experience.  I have to say that has me leaning away from buying it.
Best,
Donna


> On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I tested several Orbit Readers for my braille and talking book library, and 
> they all broke down within a few months, if not sooner. I loved the braille 
> cells when they were all in good working order, so I bought an Orbit Reader 
> 20 Plus shortly after it was released, hoping that the longevity of the 
> braille cells had improved. After eight or nine months, two of the cells had 
> stopped working correctly. I got the BrailleSense 6 around the same time, so 
> the Orbit just sat unused on a shelf for a while before I got it repaired. 
> After that I donated it to an organization I'm in because I wanted to get rid 
> of it but didn't feel as though I should ask for money for a product I had 
> already had such bad luck with. I know there are people who have had good 
> luck with the Orbit Reader, but I would not recommend it to anyone.
> 
> ----- Original Message -
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 09:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
> 
> Hi all,
> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and I 
> just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
> keyboard.  I'd love to hear about people's experience with the Orbit reader.  
> I realize it won't be the new display, but I do remember that at least early 
> on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader.  Is 
> that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it's compatible with 
> Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jason.  I just read Scott Davert’s review from 2021, and he did mention 
that.  I’d love to get a demo, just to evaluate the braille cells before I make 
a purchase decision.  But I sure do like the price tag a lot better than the 
one for the Activator, which is the only other qwerty contender for me 
currently, since I can’t use the thumb keys on the Mantis.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:20 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> 
> 
> On 23/3/24 09:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, 
>> and I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a
>>  qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the 
>> Orbit reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember 
>> that at least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about
>>  the Orbit reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it 
>> said it’s compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with 
>> either a Mac or an iPhone?
> As I recall, in an interview several years ago, Orbit Research acknowledged 
> reliability difficulties with their braille cell technology, but claimed 
> these problems had been rectified. To what extent that's true, I am not in 
> any position to verify independently.
> 
> Orbit's cells are also noisier and slower to refresh than Piezoelectric 
> cells. I prefer the latter, but there are people who prefer Orbit Research 
> cells.
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Orbit has just announced a display with a qwerty keyboard that will start 
shipping in June.

I had a Mantis, but sold it.  I loved the unit, but had trouble using the thumb 
keys due to arthritis in my thumbs.
Donna

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 9:30 AM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Orbit has a qwerty keyboard? I thought it was a braille style keyboard? 
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>>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 8:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and 
>>> I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a 
>>> qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the Orbit 
>>> reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember that at 
>>> least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit 
>>> reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it’s 
>>> compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or 
>>> an iPhone?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and I 
just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the Orbit reader.  I 
realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember that at least early on, 
people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader.  Is that 
still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it’s compatible with Voiceover.  
Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Any vloggers here?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jurgen,

I really appreciate your response.  I’ll check out the image thing and the 
media thing before I buy. :). Again, thank you!
Donna

> On Mar 16, 2024, at 5:56 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> sorry for the delayed response. 
> 
> MarsEdit works really great for blind users. I know you can add images to 
> your posts. While preparing a new post there’s a lable saying "Featured 
> Image“. There you can load a video to your post. 
> 
> I unfortunately don’t know how you can link this video in the post. I’ve 
> never dealt with videos. So Marsedit might not fulfill your needs. I might 
> have been wrong here. Sorry.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
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> 
>> Am 16.03.2024 um 02:29 schrieb 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I just looked through the options and if there is anything there for video 
>> I’m not seeing it. That doesn’t mean it is not there. But I am a novice with 
>> the app and do not see anything there but perhaps uploading it under media. 
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 6:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Merv,
>>> 
>>> If you could check I’d appreciate it.   I downloaded the free trial, but I 
>>> don’t want to open it until I’m ready to start messing with it. :). But, 
>>> that isn’t your problem, so if it becomes too time-consuming, don’t worry 
>>> about it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:47 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I know you can add graphics. I honestly would have to look but it is a 
>>>> pretty powerful program. I will have to take a look this weekend. There 
>>>> are a ton of features I haven’t begun to explore.
>>>> Merv
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:38 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, that’s very cool!  The block thing in Wordpress kinda hurts my head. 
>>>>> Lol. Can you also add video, or does it only work with written content?
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 3:35 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mars edit makes it possible to avoid using blocks. You can just type as 
>>>>>> if you were editing a word document and then publish right to your blog. 
>>>>>> I have not tried pcreating or publishing pages yet but for blogs it is 
>>>>>> great. I understand that it also will work with Mastodon now. But I have 
>>>>>> not figured that out yet either.
>>>>>> Merv
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Merv,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can you say more?  What specifically do you love?  Also, how do you 
>>>>>>> work with the block design in WordPress?  It seems like it would be 
>>>>>>> very intuitive if you can see and figure out how to arrange the blocks, 
>>>>>>> but I’m not sure how to work with that if you can’t visually arrange 
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:24 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I love Mars Edit on my Mac. If there are any tutorials out there I 
>>>>>>>> would love to know. I get the feeling I am not nearly using it to its 
>>>>>>>> potential. It was recommended to me about three months ago and I am 
>>>>>>>> still teaching myself how to use both WordPress and Mars Edit.
>>>>>>>> Merv
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 1:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jurgen,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Can you say more about Mars?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>

Re: Any vloggers here?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Merv,

Thanks for checking.  When I have a minute I’ll open the app and check out the 
media option you mentioned.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 8:29 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I just looked through the options and if there is anything there for video 
> I’m not seeing it. That doesn’t mean it is not there. But I am a novice with 
> the app and do not see anything there but perhaps uploading it under media. 
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 6:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Merv,
>> 
>> If you could check I’d appreciate it.   I downloaded the free trial, but I 
>> don’t want to open it until I’m ready to start messing with it. :). But, 
>> that isn’t your problem, so if it becomes too time-consuming, don’t worry 
>> about it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:47 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know you can add graphics. I honestly would have to look but it is a 
>>> pretty powerful program. I will have to take a look this weekend. There are 
>>> a ton of features I haven’t begun to explore.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:38 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, that’s very cool!  The block thing in Wordpress kinda hurts my head. 
>>>> Lol. Can you also add video, or does it only work with written content?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 3:35 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mars edit makes it possible to avoid using blocks. You can just type as 
>>>>> if you were editing a word document and then publish right to your blog. 
>>>>> I have not tried pcreating or publishing pages yet but for blogs it is 
>>>>> great. I understand that it also will work with Mastodon now. But I have 
>>>>> not figured that out yet either.
>>>>> Merv
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Merv,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you say more?  What specifically do you love?  Also, how do you work 
>>>>>> with the block design in WordPress?  It seems like it would be very 
>>>>>> intuitive if you can see and figure out how to arrange the blocks, but 
>>>>>> I’m not sure how to work with that if you can’t visually arrange them.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:24 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I love Mars Edit on my Mac. If there are any tutorials out there I 
>>>>>>> would love to know. I get the feeling I am not nearly using it to its 
>>>>>>> potential. It was recommended to me about three months ago and I am 
>>>>>>> still teaching myself how to use both WordPress and Mars Edit.
>>>>>>> Merv
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 1:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Jurgen,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can you say more about Mars?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I thought about using something like What’s App or even Facebook, but 
>>>>>>>> I like the vlog idea better.  First, everything can just be housed 
>>>>>>>> there.  That will be convenient for anyone who wants to look at it, 
>>>>>>>> but not necessarily receive alerts all the time.  It also keeps the 
>>>>>>>> whole thing in one easy place, so that it can serve as sort of a 
>>>>>>>> “photo album for us after we’re back, without getting buried in 
>>>>>>>> whatever messages, posts, etc happen after we’re back
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Donna 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>

Re: Any vloggers here?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Merv,

If you could check I’d appreciate it.   I downloaded the free trial, but I 
don’t want to open it until I’m ready to start messing with it. :). But, that 
isn’t your problem, so if it becomes too time-consuming, don’t worry about it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:47 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know you can add graphics. I honestly would have to look but it is a pretty 
> powerful program. I will have to take a look this weekend. There are a ton of 
> features I haven’t begun to explore.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:38 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, that’s very cool!  The block thing in Wordpress kinda hurts my head. 
>> Lol. Can you also add video, or does it only work with written content?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 3:35 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mars edit makes it possible to avoid using blocks. You can just type as if 
>>> you were editing a word document and then publish right to your blog. I 
>>> have not tried pcreating or publishing pages yet but for blogs it is great. 
>>> I understand that it also will work with Mastodon now. But I have not 
>>> figured that out yet either.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Merv,
>>>> 
>>>> Can you say more?  What specifically do you love?  Also, how do you work 
>>>> with the block design in WordPress?  It seems like it would be very 
>>>> intuitive if you can see and figure out how to arrange the blocks, but I’m 
>>>> not sure how to work with that if you can’t visually arrange them.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:24 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love Mars Edit on my Mac. If there are any tutorials out there I would 
>>>>> love to know. I get the feeling I am not nearly using it to its 
>>>>> potential. It was recommended to me about three months ago and I am still 
>>>>> teaching myself how to use both WordPress and Mars Edit.
>>>>> Merv
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 1:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Jurgen,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you say more about Mars?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I thought about using something like What’s App or even Facebook, but I 
>>>>>> like the vlog idea better.  First, everything can just be housed there.  
>>>>>> That will be convenient for anyone who wants to look at it, but not 
>>>>>> necessarily receive alerts all the time.  It also keeps the whole thing 
>>>>>> in one easy place, so that it can serve as sort of a “photo album for us 
>>>>>> after we’re back, without getting buried in whatever messages, posts, 
>>>>>> etc happen after we’re back
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Donna, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Word Press is pretty accessible in my opinion. I use Mars as an app 
>>>>>>> solution on the Mac to upload content. So it's not necessary to work 
>>>>>>> online. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But wouldn't it be easier in your case to use a messenger like Whats 
>>>>>>> App and create a family group? Just as an idea. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> all the best 
>>>>>>> Jurgen 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 15.03.2024 um 17:05 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi again, all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I want to create a vlog where I can post written and video content 
>>>>>>>> while I am traveling this summer.  Anyone know anything about the most 
>>>>&g

Somehow I locked myself out of my Blogger account. Appreciate any help

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

So when I went to log into my blog on my Mac, I received a prompt from VO 
asking about using my gmail account in other apps.  I said no, because I didn’t 
want to set up gmail and all that.  But it seems that in doing that, I caused 
other problems.  I can still modify the blog, but I get an error 403 message 
that says I do not have access to the page.  Anyone have any idea what I did or 
how to fix it?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Any vloggers here?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, that’s very cool!  The block thing in Wordpress kinda hurts my head. Lol. 
Can you also add video, or does it only work with written content?
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 3:35 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mars edit makes it possible to avoid using blocks. You can just type as if 
> you were editing a word document and then publish right to your blog. I have 
> not tried pcreating or publishing pages yet but for blogs it is great. I 
> understand that it also will work with Mastodon now. But I have not figured 
> that out yet either.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Merv,
>> 
>> Can you say more?  What specifically do you love?  Also, how do you work 
>> with the block design in WordPress?  It seems like it would be very 
>> intuitive if you can see and figure out how to arrange the blocks, but I’m 
>> not sure how to work with that if you can’t visually arrange them.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:24 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love Mars Edit on my Mac. If there are any tutorials out there I would 
>>> love to know. I get the feeling I am not nearly using it to its potential. 
>>> It was recommended to me about three months ago and I am still teaching 
>>> myself how to use both WordPress and Mars Edit.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 1:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jurgen,
>>>> 
>>>> Can you say more about Mars?
>>>> 
>>>> I thought about using something like What’s App or even Facebook, but I 
>>>> like the vlog idea better.  First, everything can just be housed there.  
>>>> That will be convenient for anyone who wants to look at it, but not 
>>>> necessarily receive alerts all the time.  It also keeps the whole thing in 
>>>> one easy place, so that it can serve as sort of a “photo album for us 
>>>> after we’re back, without getting buried in whatever messages, posts, etc 
>>>> happen after we’re back
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Donna, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Word Press is pretty accessible in my opinion. I use Mars as an app 
>>>>> solution on the Mac to upload content. So it's not necessary to work 
>>>>> online. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> But wouldn't it be easier in your case to use a messenger like Whats App 
>>>>> and create a family group? Just as an idea. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> all the best 
>>>>> Jurgen 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 15.03.2024 um 17:05 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi again, all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want to create a vlog where I can post written and video content while 
>>>>>> I am traveling this summer.  Anyone know anything about the most 
>>>>>> accessible way to do this?  I know a lot of people like Wordpress, but 
>>>>>> in my very limited experience, it did not seem overly accessible, or 
>>>>>> overly friendly if you don’t know how to code.  If I’m wrong about this, 
>>>>>> feel free to enlighten me. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can anyone compare Wordpress with Blogger in terms of how they work with 
>>>>>> VO on both MacOS and IOS?  I’m envisioning something pretty simple and 
>>>>>> straight-forward.  I’d just like to be able to upload written and video 
>>>>>> content to a site, and have a link that I can share with family and 
>>>>>> friends who want to follow along with our adventures, so hopefully 
>>>>>> there’s away to do that that isn’t super complicated and that is 
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
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Re: Any vloggers here?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Merv,

Can you say more?  What specifically do you love?  Also, how do you work with 
the block design in WordPress?  It seems like it would be very intuitive if you 
can see and figure out how to arrange the blocks, but I’m not sure how to work 
with that if you can’t visually arrange them.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:24 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I love Mars Edit on my Mac. If there are any tutorials out there I would love 
> to know. I get the feeling I am not nearly using it to its potential. It was 
> recommended to me about three months ago and I am still teaching myself how 
> to use both WordPress and Mars Edit.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 1:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jurgen,
>> 
>> Can you say more about Mars?
>> 
>> I thought about using something like What’s App or even Facebook, but I like 
>> the vlog idea better.  First, everything can just be housed there.  That 
>> will be convenient for anyone who wants to look at it, but not necessarily 
>> receive alerts all the time.  It also keeps the whole thing in one easy 
>> place, so that it can serve as sort of a “photo album for us after we’re 
>> back, without getting buried in whatever messages, posts, etc happen after 
>> we’re back
>> Cheers,
>> Donna 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna, 
>>> 
>>> Word Press is pretty accessible in my opinion. I use Mars as an app 
>>> solution on the Mac to upload content. So it's not necessary to work 
>>> online. 
>>> 
>>> But wouldn't it be easier in your case to use a messenger like Whats App 
>>> and create a family group? Just as an idea. 
>>> 
>>> all the best 
>>> Jurgen 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>> 
>>>> Am 15.03.2024 um 17:05 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Hi again, all,
>>>> 
>>>> I want to create a vlog where I can post written and video content while I 
>>>> am traveling this summer.  Anyone know anything about the most accessible 
>>>> way to do this?  I know a lot of people like Wordpress, but in my very 
>>>> limited experience, it did not seem overly accessible, or overly friendly 
>>>> if you don’t know how to code.  If I’m wrong about this, feel free to 
>>>> enlighten me. 
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone compare Wordpress with Blogger in terms of how they work with 
>>>> VO on both MacOS and IOS?  I’m envisioning something pretty simple and 
>>>> straight-forward.  I’d just like to be able to upload written and video 
>>>> content to a site, and have a link that I can share with family and 
>>>> friends who want to follow along with our adventures, so hopefully there’s 
>>>> away to do that that isn’t super complicated and that is accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: What's the deal with the Globe key?

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That’s weird.  Seems like change for the sake of change.  But, makes my life 
easier. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> It's the same thing as the Fn key. I don't know why they changed it. It does 
> the exact same thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 15, 2024, at 10:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Well, it’s the last day of spring break, and I promised myself I would 
> upgrade to Sonoma this week.  One question first.  What’s the deal with the 
> Globe key? What is it used for?  What’s the deal for those of us with older 
> Macs that don’t have one?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: What's the deal with the Globe key?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

So, just to be clear, the Globe key is just another name for the FN key?  
That’s easy.  For some reason I thought it was an additional key added on newer 
Macs.
TIA,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> 
> On 15/3/24 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> One question first.  What’s the deal with the Globe key? What is it used
>>  for?  What’s the deal for those of us with older Macs that don’t have 
>> one?
> On older portable devices, it's referred to as the FN key.
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> It has various commands assigned to it when it is used in combination with 
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Re: Any vloggers here?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jurgen,

Can you say more about Mars?

I thought about using something like What’s App or even Facebook, but I like 
the vlog idea better.  First, everything can just be housed there.  That will 
be convenient for anyone who wants to look at it, but not necessarily receive 
alerts all the time.  It also keeps the whole thing in one easy place, so that 
it can serve as sort of a “photo album for us after we’re back, without getting 
buried in whatever messages, posts, etc happen after we’re back
Cheers,
Donna 

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi Donna, 
> 
> Word Press is pretty accessible in my opinion. I use Mars as an app solution 
> on the Mac to upload content. So it's not necessary to work online. 
> 
> But wouldn't it be easier in your case to use a messenger like Whats App and 
> create a family group? Just as an idea. 
> 
> all the best 
> Jurgen 
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 15.03.2024 um 17:05 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi again, all,
>> 
>> I want to create a vlog where I can post written and video content while I 
>> am traveling this summer.  Anyone know anything about the most accessible 
>> way to do this?  I know a lot of people like Wordpress, but in my very 
>> limited experience, it did not seem overly accessible, or overly friendly if 
>> you don’t know how to code.  If I’m wrong about this, feel free to enlighten 
>> me. 
>> 
>> Can anyone compare Wordpress with Blogger in terms of how they work with VO 
>> on both MacOS and IOS?  I’m envisioning something pretty simple and 
>> straight-forward.  I’d just like to be able to upload written and video 
>> content to a site, and have a link that I can share with family and friends 
>> who want to follow along with our adventures, so hopefully there’s away to 
>> do that that isn’t super complicated and that is accessible.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Any vloggers here?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi again, all,

I want to create a vlog where I can post written and video content while I am 
traveling this summer.  Anyone know anything about the most accessible way to 
do this?  I know a lot of people like Wordpress, but in my very limited 
experience, it did not seem overly accessible, or overly friendly if you don’t 
know how to code.  If I’m wrong about this, feel free to enlighten me.  

Can anyone compare Wordpress with Blogger in terms of how they work with VO on 
both MacOS and IOS?  I’m envisioning something pretty simple and 
straight-forward.  I’d just like to be able to upload written and video content 
to a site, and have a link that I can share with family and friends who want to 
follow along with our adventures, so hopefully there’s away to do that that 
isn’t super complicated and that is accessible.

Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom.
Cheers,
Donna

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What's the deal with the Globe key?

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Hi all,

Well, it’s the last day of spring break, and I promised myself I would upgrade 
to Sonoma this week.  One question first.  What’s the deal with the Globe key? 
What is it used for?  What’s the deal for those of us with older Macs that 
don’t have one?
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Re: M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison

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OMG, I *loved that 11-inch MBP.  It was less powerful, but so portable.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 8:23 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> The original MacBook Air at 11.6”, and 13.3”, was thinner and lighter than 
> its MacBook Pro cousin.
> The original Air also had a less powerful processor..
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 15, 2024, at 08:07, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Then why on earth did Apple decide that there was something distinctive about 
> an Air vs. Pro? Simply size and weight? Color choices? Is this a parallel to 
> the iPhone and - Pro vs. SE?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2024, at 11:00 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Never was.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2024, at 23:53, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> Thanks for this. Saw it after my question post Air vs. Pro. But still I 
> wonder the use case. I used to think that the Air was designed to pull 
> everything it needed to run (programs/apps) from the Internet, so not needing 
> to store anything large on the machine except for data and personalizations. 
> Is that no longer the push?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison... 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/03/13/m3-15-inch-macbook-air-vs-m3-14-inch-macbook-procomparison
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Re: M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

I’m not a hardware expert by a long shot, but the MBPs have generally been more 
powerful.  Also, and I don’t see well enough to confirm this personally, I 
think they have better displays.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 8:07 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Then why on earth did Apple decide that there was something distinctive about 
> an Air vs. Pro? Simply size and weight? Color choices? Is this a parallel to 
> the iPhone and - Pro vs. SE?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2024, at 11:00 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Never was.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2024, at 23:53, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> Thanks for this. Saw it after my question post Air vs. Pro. But still I 
> wonder the use case. I used to think that the Air was designed to pull 
> everything it needed to run (programs/apps) from the Internet, so not needing 
> to store anything large on the machine except for data and personalizations. 
> Is that no longer the push?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison... 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/03/13/m3-15-inch-macbook-air-vs-m3-14-inch-macbook-procomparison
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Re: M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, I thought about that.  And if I do get an Air, it will definitely be the 
13-inch.  But still, that pricing on the MBP is kinda tempting.  OK, in 
addition to my preference for things small and light, I’m also kind of a speed 
freak.  Those two factors sometimes make for an incongruous combination. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2024, at 8:18 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Keep in mind, that the Apple Insider article was comparing a 15” MacBook Air, 
> to the 14” M3 MacBook Pro.
> The 13” MacBook Air would be lighter and smaller, and can be configured the 
> same as the 15” used for comparison in the article.  :) 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 15, 2024, at 07:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Dave,
> 
> I can only answer for myself, but here you go.  In 2017, I bought my one and 
> only MacBook Pro.  All my other Macs, including my current 2023 M1 have been 
> MacBook Airs.
> 
> Brad makes a strong case that for an extra $100, the MBP is the better 
> machine.  But I’ve always liked the smaller form factor and the lighter 
> weight of the MBA.  When I taught face-to-face, I had to carry my computer 
> with me around campus.  I also like to take it when I travel, so the smaller 
> and lighter, the better.  The MBA has always met my computing needs, but I’m 
> not an artist, graphic designer, etc.  I liked my MBP a lot, but I also 
> thought it was probably overkill for my use case.  So, in 2020, when the M1 
> chips came out, I went back to a MacBook Air.  That said, From the specs Brad 
>  sent last night, the difference in weight between the two seems pretty 
> negligible.  I was thinking I might upgrade to the M3 Air, but now I’m not 
> sure, either whether I will upgrade, or, if I do, which machine I’ll get.  My 
> current leaning is to just hold off and see what next year brings.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 11:53 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Brad,
>> Thanks for this. Saw it after my question post Air vs. Pro. But still I 
>> wonder the use case. I used to think that the Air was designed to pull 
>> everything it needed to run (programs/apps) from the Internet, so not 
>> needing to store anything large on the machine except for data and 
>> personalizations. Is that no longer the push?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison... 
>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/03/13/m3-15-inch-macbook-air-vs-m3-14-inch-macbook-procomparison
>> 
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Re: M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

I can only answer for myself, but here you go.  In 2017, I bought my one and 
only MacBook Pro.  All my other Macs, including my current 2023 M1 have been 
MacBook Airs.

Brad makes a strong case that for an extra $100, the MBP is the better machine. 
 But I’ve always liked the smaller form factor and the lighter weight of the 
MBA.  When I taught face-to-face, I had to carry my computer with me around 
campus.  I also like to take it when I travel, so the smaller and lighter, the 
better.  The MBA has always met my computing needs, but I’m not an artist, 
graphic designer, etc.  I liked my MBP a lot, but I also thought it was 
probably overkill for my use case.  So, in 2020, when the M1 chips came out, I 
went back to a MacBook Air.  That said, From the specs Brad  sent last night, 
the difference in weight between the two seems pretty negligible.  I was 
thinking I might upgrade to the M3 Air, but now I’m not sure, either whether I 
will upgrade, or, if I do, which machine I’ll get.  My current leaning is to 
just hold off and see what next year brings.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 14, 2024, at 11:53 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> Thanks for this. Saw it after my question post Air vs. Pro. But still I 
> wonder the use case. I used to think that the Air was designed to pull 
> everything it needed to run (programs/apps) from the Internet, so not needing 
> to store anything large on the machine except for data and personalizations. 
> Is that no longer the push?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison... 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/03/13/m3-15-inch-macbook-air-vs-m3-14-inch-macbook-procomparison
> 
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Re: Any way to empty the junk folder without sending the messages to the trash?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jason, but I think the Cmd-Option J is a better option.  Cmd-Shift 
Backspace just empties the trash.

Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 14, 2024, at 5:14 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 14/3/24 09:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> So when I empty the Junk folder, it just sends the messages to the 
>> Trash.  Then I have to go to Trash, and delete them again.  Any way to 
>> delete messages from junk without sending them to the trash?  I thought 
>> that CMD-backspace did this, but it doesn’t.
> Try Command-Shift-Delete.
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Re: Any way to empty the junk folder without sending the messages to the trash?

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Wow!  That is one handy command.  Thank you again Ben and Stan for pointing it 
out.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 14, 2024, at 8:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi Stan and Ben,
> 
> The command-Option J is a new one to me.  I knew there was something with the 
> backspace key, but I’ve never heard of this one.  I’ll give it a try.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 8:43 AM, Stan ZA  wrote:
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>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> I don’t have any Junk mail to try this, but you can try “CMD OPTION j”, it 
>> clears the Junk mailbox.
>> Cheers.
>> Stan ZA
>> amista...@gmail.com <mailto:amista...@gmail.com>
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>> 
>> 
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>> On 14 Mar 2024, at 15:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So when I empty the Junk folder, it just sends the messages to the Trash.  
>> Then I have to go to Trash, and delete them again.  Any way to delete 
>> messages from junk without sending them to the trash?  I thought that 
>> CMD-backspace did this, but it doesn’t.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Any way to empty the junk folder without sending the messages to the trash?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Stan and Ben,

The command-Option J is a new one to me.  I knew there was something with the 
backspace key, but I’ve never heard of this one.  I’ll give it a try.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 14, 2024, at 8:43 AM, Stan ZA  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> I don’t have any Junk mail to try this, but you can try “CMD OPTION j”, it 
> clears the Junk mailbox.
> Cheers.
> Stan ZA
> amista...@gmail.com <mailto:amista...@gmail.com>
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> On 14 Mar 2024, at 15:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi all,
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> So when I empty the Junk folder, it just sends the messages to the Trash.  
> Then I have to go to Trash, and delete them again.  Any way to delete 
> messages from junk without sending them to the trash?  I thought that 
> CMD-backspace did this, but it doesn’t.
> Cheers,
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Re: Any way to empty the junk folder without sending the messages to the trash?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, thanks Brad.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 14, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Yes, you can do this by pressing CMD + OPT  + J.
> 
> HTH.
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> - Brad -
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> On Mar 14, 2024, at 08:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> So when I empty the Junk folder, it just sends the messages to the Trash.  
> Then I have to go to Trash, and delete them again.  Any way to delete 
> messages from junk without sending them to the trash?  I thought that 
> CMD-backspace did this, but it doesn’t.
> Cheers,
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Any way to empty the junk folder without sending the messages to the trash?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

So when I empty the Junk folder, it just sends the messages to the Trash.  Then 
I have to go to Trash, and delete them again.  Any way to delete messages from 
junk without sending them to the trash?  I thought that CMD-backspace did this, 
but it doesn’t.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: accessible blood pressure monitoring devices that work with iPHone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Re weird spelling, Yeah, I know
  It does read high, I just take that into account when I use it, and as long 
as my readings are in the same general range, I figure I’m OK.  What I meant 
when I said it works well, is that the app is accessible and easy to use.  I 
think it uses double A batteries, but I’ll have to check that later.  I don’t 
know of any other options that are accessible with the iPhone and VoiceOver, so 
if you learn of any others, pass the info along, please.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 2:54 PM,  
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> Wow weird speling. LOL
> Some of the reviews on Amazon say measurements are 12 pts higher than other 
> monitors. What type of batteries does it use?
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> Hi Sarai,
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> I use the Qardio Arm—note the weird spelling.  It works very well.
> Best,
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