Re: this freaking touchbar is the worse gimmick I have come across

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> On Feb 12, 2021, at 1:52 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I have a touchpad on my Macbook Air, and I hate it. It causes me to hold
> my hands in an awkward elevated position when typing just to make sure I
> don't brush across it.
> 
> On Windows 10 the touchpad can be turned off, but not on Mac. Very, very
> annoying.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Brandon Olivares writes:
>> Honestly I enjoy the TouchBar. I don’t use it a lot but I do find it helpful 
>> occasionally.
>> 
>> Just a tip, if it stops responding, restarting VoiceOver can sometimes help, 
>> or switching out of and back into the application you’re in.
>> 
>> Also, I thought I heard Touch Bar is being discontinued, so you may not have 
>> to deal with it for long.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> 
>> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s 
>> Paradise Lost
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2021, at 8:04 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> After a few months of my macbook 16 inch in heavy rotation, I have to be 
>>> frank with the touch bar. It's an utterly useless, cluttery, annoying piece 
>>> of tech which has no place where it sits. Everything else is world class, 
>>> as expected from Apple. I just don't know why they tried squeezing this 
>>> useless touchscreen, with my 2 cents on why below:
>>> 
>>> 1-It's not reactive at all. Sometimes, it does not react or speak anything 
>>> nno matter what I do. To solve this, sometimes I just keep moving my finger 
>>> across left to right until hopefully something occurs. By that time, it 
>>> really doesn't matter whether a touchbar is there or not.
>>> 2-It always gets in the way when I type. Keeps announcing f12 as my finger 
>>> barely even brushes (or does my finger brush that area?). Just like cabs, 
>>> the touch screen is never there when needed, always there when not.
>>> 3-The haptic part, obviously, is pretty much a foregone design flaw for 
>>> blind users like myself. 
>>> 
>>> The reason I did not upgrade from an older macbook was because of the 
>>> keyboards they had for a while, and the touchbar. Once my macbook was 
>>> pretty much beyond retirement, my only choice was to have the greatest of 
>>> the portable. I feel a bit cheated here, particularly knowing that the 
>>> intel chip inside might actually not have the capacity to wake the touchbar 
>>> up in a reactive way.
>>> 
>>> That's it, now I'm happy to get back to work.
>>> 
>>> Yuma 
>>> 
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Emoji's on the Mac?

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Ok, so I am doing the control, command spacebar to bring up the emojis’, but 
when I select a category it selects the 1st one, instead of letting me pick 1 
from the table,  what is the secret to this?

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Re: New Mac.

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They both have 2 uSB-a ports, 2 uSB-c thunderbolt ports, HDMI and headphone 
jack on the Mac mini.  Also for the record, you can by any external drive, and 
format it for the Mac.  I have a 4TB USB-C drive that I got for only 120 bucks 
on amazon, I use iCloud for everything, so it really wasn’t necessary, but I do 
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> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
> So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
> These are the ones I  want.
> The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
> But that’s just me.
> aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I 
> am a bit wondering.
> If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
> Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
> less money if you have a pc.
> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
> And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
> together with zoom.
> All the best from a cold Sweden.
> /A
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Re: Copying messages.

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> On Feb 1, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Does anyone know how to copy a message to the clipboard from the messages 
> app? I’ve tried interacting with the message but  can’t seem to get anything 
> to copy. Using Big Sur.
> Herbie
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A work around for the vo shift m issue in the doc

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Can’t say if this works or not, but someone mentioned to me that if you hold 
down the control key, and push on your trackpad on a MacBook Air, or pro, that 
the context menu will show.  Again, can’t verify this, because I have a Mac 
mini with no trackpad.  Hth



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Re: A few questions re Big Sur

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You will have to delete the commander and recreate it, I had to do this also.

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> On Jan 31, 2021, at 1:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> Just finished up dating my MBP to Big Sur. All has gone well, but I have a 
> few questions.
> 
> 1. On my desktop, there is now an item called Relocated Items. What is that, 
> and why is it there?
> 
> 2. Two of my Keyboard Commander Commands aren't working, Option-M which used 
> to open Messages, and Option-I, which used to open iTunes. I get why the 
> latter doesn't work, since iTunes no longer exists, but does anyone have any 
> thoughts on why the first one wouldn't work? It does still show up in the 
> table in Keyboard Commander.
> 
> 3. I want to use the Option-I command to open Music. How do I edit the 
> existing command? I've gone into keyboard commander, and clicked on the Open 
> iTunes Option, but I don't seem to be able to modify it.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: VoiceOver Utility Catagories With Command+Number?

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Go into VoiceOver utilities, vo right on the general tab, check the box that 
says allow VoiceOver to be controlled by apple script.  Also, go down to 
commanders, vo spacebar on keyboard, select keyboard commander to on, or do vo 
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> On Jan 29, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Fazil  wrote:
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> Yes, I have reset VoiceOver to factory default and now I would like to 
> configure VO for maximum accessibility. Option-T is not telling me the 
> current date and time, how can I fix that?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 3:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VoiceOver Utility Catagories With Command+Number?
>  
> Several misc. ideas below. Perhaps one will solve issue. It sounds like your 
> command key is not responding correctly. Try turning on keyboard help with 
> VO-k and press keys to make sure you know what is where. 
> Also, make sure vo lock is not on by pressing the semi-colan. (next to the 
> "l" key) . 
> Just to be sure the command key is to either side of the space key. Did you 
> experiment with voice command or dictation? I think one of these can use a 
> command key turning off its standard behavior. 
> One last idea, there is a reset VoiceOver to default in (I believe) the file 
> menu, if you think a change done was while you were in VO utility this could 
> be worth trying.
>  
> — JCC 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Try CMD + Tab, to make sure VoiceOver Utility is the active application.  
>> You can also do Fn + VO + NumberRow 8, which will also put focus on 
>> VoiceOver Utility if it is open.  Then do CMD + Q to quit the app.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>>  
>> On Jan 29, 2021, at 14:56, Fazil > > wrote:
>>  
>> Thank you very much, I am sorry, CMD + triple pressing the TouchID button 
>> did not help.
>> I am trying to close VoiceOver Utility with Command-w or command –q, they 
>> are not working either.
>> Thanks much again.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: VoiceOver Utility Catagories With Command+Number?
>>  
>> Try toggling voiceOver off and back on again, using CMD + triple pressing 
>> the TouchID button, and see if that helps.
>>  
>> - Brad -
>> 
>>  
>> On Jan 29, 2021, at 14:28, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>>  
>> it should just do that. Did you change any keyboard settings recently? 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Fazil >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi, Group.
>>> Somebody told here other day that Command plus a digit on number row 
>>> announces a VoiceOver Utility Category, for instance, if I press command+1 
>>> on number row, VoiceOver would identify the high lited category. VoiceOver 
>>> was announcing the high lighted catagories for me, however, it is not doing 
>>> so for the last couple of days, I don’t know why, probably I pressed a 
>>> wrong key somewhere.
>>> How can I have VoiceOver identify the VoiceOver Utility category again with 
>>> Command+number, please?
>>> Your help is much appreciated.
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
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Fwd: iCloud Keychain coming to Google Chrome on Windows for the first time | AppleInsider

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>> Wesley Hilliard 
>> 
>> Apple has updated the iCloud  for 
>> Windows app with a new feature that will soon let users access their iCloud 
>> Keychain passwords in Google Chrome.
>> 
>> According to release notes 
>> 
>>  for the latest update, the app now offers "support for iCloud Passwords 
>> Chrome extension." Upon updating the app, users will see a new "passwords" 
>> section within the app. Users will be prompted to download the new Chrome 
>> extension required to take advantage of the feature.
>> 
>> When enabled, the iCloud Keychain will store your passwords as you use 
>> Safari or apps on iOS  or across the 
>> system on macOS . The update to the 
>> iCloud for Windows app marks the first time users can use their synced 
>> passwords on the platform.
>> 
>> The feature's introduction on Windows marks the first time that iCloud 
>> Keychain support has been expanded beyond Apple's operating systems, The 
>> 8-Bit notes 
>> . It's 
>> unknown if the extension will be made available for Chrome on Mac.
>> 
>> The update is live for the app, but as The 8-Bit notes, the extension is not 
>> yet available. When users click on the "Download" button they are taken to a 
>> 404 page in Chrome. The extension is likely going to become available soon.
>> 
>> The iCloud for Windows app enables iPhone users to access their documents 
>> and photos from a Windows PC. The app released on the Windows store in June 
>> 2019 
>> .
>> 

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Re: Allow VoiceOver To Be Controlled With Apple Script?

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Try this one

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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
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> The link in this message which is supposedly to be used for sending an email 
> to the MacCafe group does not open a   new-email-message window; rather, 
> it opens a Web browser, asking if I want to log in to iCloud with the 
> username SturItUp, which doesn't require a password. THe link is in fact a 
> Web address, not a standard mailto link that would be interpreted as such by 
> an HTML-capable email client. Might want to have a look at that.
> 
> 
> 
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> On 1/27/2021 1:56 PM, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Do the command vo shift N, this will state the hint available for that 
>> function.
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>>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Fazil >> <mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, group.
>>> I have read somewhere that for Keyboard Commander to work properly, we 
>>> should check “Allow VoiceOver To Be Controlled With Apple Script” in the 
>>> General Category of VoiceOver. Mine does not report its status when I hit 
>>> VO-Spacebar here. How can I know its status otherwise?
>>> Thanks!
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Re: Allow VoiceOver To Be Controlled With Apple Script?

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Do the command vo shift N, this will state the hint available for that function.

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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Fazil  wrote:
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> Hi, group.
> I have read somewhere that for Keyboard Commander to work properly, we should 
> check “Allow VoiceOver To Be Controlled With Apple Script” in the General 
> Category of VoiceOver. Mine does not report its status when I hit VO-Spacebar 
> here. How can I know its status otherwise?
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Re: keyboard commanders

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Thanks, but I can’t take credit.  1 of my students wrote them

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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Good instructions.
> Thanks Kliph. 
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 08:07, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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> Try these istructions
> Key Board Commanders on the Mac.
> If you would like to begin using Key Board commanders, there is one setting 
> you will need to change in Voiceover first. Open the VoiceOver Utility with 
> VO F8, and select the "general" category (you should be on it by default). 
> Find the checkbox labeled "Allow VoiceOver to be controlled by AppleScript" 
> and check it. If you do not enable this, any commander that tells Voiceover 
> to do anything (which is most of them) will fail. You only need to change 
> this setting once.
> 
> 
> 
> VO Shift K will also toggle on and off keyboard commander.
> 
> Then the right Option key plus the letter T will tell you the time and date.
> The right Option key plus the letter S will open Safari.
> The right Option key plus the letter M will open Mail.
> The right Option key plus the letter U will tell you how many Unread e-mails 
> you hav.
> 
> To set a customized Key Board Commander:
> Open the VoiceOver Utilities with a VO F8.
> Press the letter C for Commanders.
> VO right arrow to get to Keyboard and select this with VO Spacebar.
> VO right arrow to get to “Key Board Commander Table”.
> This is a Table:  You will need to interact with this Table by pressing VO 
> Shift down arrow to begin interacting.
> When you are in the Key Board Commander Table, you can use the VO down arrow 
> keys to see what number, or letter, etc is set and then VO right arrow for 
> the corresponding action.  Such as the letter “S" in the first column and 
> Application to open Safari is in the right hand column with in this Key Board 
> Commanders Table.
> To stop interacting with the Key Board Commanders Table, use the VO Shift up 
> arrow.
> VO to the right to the “Add Key Board Command” and VO Spacebar to choose this.
> You will be in a two column table.  The first column will say “Blank”. This 
> is where you type one single letter or number, etc to set what will be the 
> key to press with the right Option key, for the shortcut.
> For example:  I want a Key Board Command Shortcut for opening VoiceOver 
> Utilities.  So instead of VO and the F8 Command, I want to use right Option 
> key plus the V key to open VoiceOver Utilities.
> 
> VO right arrow to the Key Board Commands Menu Button, and VO Spacebar to 
> select this Menu of 14 items.  VO down arrow to “Custom” and VO right arrow 
> to expand this Custom submenu.
> There are 5 choices:  Open App, Open Utility, Open File, Run Apple Script, 
> and Run Automator Workflow.
> Choose one of these five items with VO Spacebar.  Such as Open Utility, if 
> you wish for your shortcut to be Option plus the letter V to open VoiceOver 
> Utilities.
> Choose VoiceOver Utilities. And hit the Enter key to addd this Key Board 
> Command.
> Use VO Q to Quit.
> Then try out the keyboard Command with the right Option key and the letter V 
> to see if VoiceOver Utilities opens.
> Keyboard Commander
> Keyboard Commander allows you to configure custom keyboard shortcuts to 
> perform VoiceOver commands, run scripts, and open apps, eliminating the need 
> to locate them manually and thus greatly streamlining your workflow. Commands 
> can be configured in VoiceOver Utility > Commanders > Keyboard Commander.
> By default, commands for opening Mail and Safari and running scripts for 
> announcing the date and time and the number of unread Mail messages are 
> included. For more information, check out thisAppleVis podcast. 
> <https://www.applevis.com/podcast/speed-everyday-tasks-your-mac-using-voiceover-keyboard-commander>
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd like to create a keyboard commander to toggle between mouse follows vo 
>> cursor and mouse ignores vo cursor. activities do work for this but I lost 
>> mine when I went up to Catalina. I thought it would be better to set a 
>> keyboard commander because there are sites I have encountered where I needed 
>&

Re: keyboard commanders

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Try these istructions
Key Board Commanders on the Mac.
If you would like to begin using Key Board commanders, there is one setting you 
will need to change in Voiceover first. Open the VoiceOver Utility with VO F8, 
and select the "general" category (you should be on it by default). Find the 
checkbox labeled "Allow VoiceOver to be controlled by AppleScript" and check 
it. If you do not enable this, any commander that tells Voiceover to do 
anything (which is most of them) will fail. You only need to change this 
setting once.



VO Shift K will also toggle on and off keyboard commander.

Then the right Option key plus the letter T will tell you the time and date.
The right Option key plus the letter S will open Safari.
The right Option key plus the letter M will open Mail.
The right Option key plus the letter U will tell you how many Unread e-mails 
you hav.

To set a customized Key Board Commander:
Open the VoiceOver Utilities with a VO F8.
Press the letter C for Commanders.
VO right arrow to get to Keyboard and select this with VO Spacebar.
VO right arrow to get to “Key Board Commander Table”.
This is a Table:  You will need to interact with this Table by pressing VO 
Shift down arrow to begin interacting.
When you are in the Key Board Commander Table, you can use the VO down arrow 
keys to see what number, or letter, etc is set and then VO right arrow for the 
corresponding action.  Such as the letter “S" in the first column and 
Application to open Safari is in the right hand column with in this Key Board 
Commanders Table.
To stop interacting with the Key Board Commanders Table, use the VO Shift up 
arrow.
VO to the right to the “Add Key Board Command” and VO Spacebar to choose this.
You will be in a two column table.  The first column will say “Blank”. This is 
where you type one single letter or number, etc to set what will be the key to 
press with the right Option key, for the shortcut.
For example:  I want a Key Board Command Shortcut for opening VoiceOver 
Utilities.  So instead of VO and the F8 Command, I want to use right Option key 
plus the V key to open VoiceOver Utilities.

VO right arrow to the Key Board Commands Menu Button, and VO Spacebar to select 
this Menu of 14 items.  VO down arrow to “Custom” and VO right arrow to expand 
this Custom submenu.
There are 5 choices:  Open App, Open Utility, Open File, Run Apple Script, and 
Run Automator Workflow.
Choose one of these five items with VO Spacebar.  Such as Open Utility, if you 
wish for your shortcut to be Option plus the letter V to open VoiceOver 
Utilities.
Choose VoiceOver Utilities. And hit the Enter key to addd this Key Board 
Command.
Use VO Q to Quit.
Then try out the keyboard Command with the right Option key and the letter V to 
see if VoiceOver Utilities opens.
Keyboard Commander
Keyboard Commander allows you to configure custom keyboard shortcuts to perform 
VoiceOver commands, run scripts, and open apps, eliminating the need to locate 
them manually and thus greatly streamlining your workflow. Commands can be 
configured in VoiceOver Utility > Commanders > Keyboard Commander.
By default, commands for opening Mail and Safari and running scripts for 
announcing the date and time and the number of unread Mail messages are 
included. For more information, check out thisAppleVis podcast. 



> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to create a keyboard commander to toggle between mouse follows vo 
> cursor and mouse ignores vo cursor. activities do work for this but I lost 
> mine when I went up to Catalina. I thought it would be better to set a 
> keyboard commander because there are sites I have encountered where I needed 
> to switch that weren't in the list for the activity. can somebody tell me how 
> to do it? I'm in vo utility in keyboard commanders where it says: "add". now 
> what do I do?
> 
> Thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

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Hmm, thanks for the tip,


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> Hi Kliph,
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> The security people for the Mantis list won't allow iCloud addresses. I 
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>> I don’t have this issue, and I am using the mantis with my iPhone and iPad.  
>> Tried getting on that mantis mailing list 3 times, and no answer from any of 
>> my subscribe attempts 
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>>> I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone 
>>> know if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for 
>>> all braille displays?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> Message from Mantis list
>>> Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
>>> Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you 
>>> turn off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
>>> introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 
>>> 14.4 beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 
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>>>  
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Re: problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

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I don’t have this issue, and I am using the mantis with my iPhone and iPad.  
Tried getting on that mantis mailing list 3 times, and no answer from any of my 
subscribe attempts 


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> Hi all,
> 
> I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone 
> know if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for all 
> braille displays?
> TIA,
> Donna
> Message from Mantis list
> Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
> Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you turn 
> off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
> introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 
> 14.4 beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 
> release. We will keep you posted on anything that we learn.
>  
> The basic issue is that once you upgrade to 14.4, as soon as you lock your 
> iPad or iPhone with the Mantis or Chameleon connected, the braille display 
> will not automatically reconnect once you wake the device back up. You can 
> force it to reconnect by leaving the terminal and reconnecting from there but 
> then you won’t get braille. The only way to get braille back is to toggle 
> Bluetooth on the iOS device but the issue will happen again as soon as you 
> lock your device or it goes to sleep.
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Re: Repeating the dialogue?

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Vo keys and the letter z

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> In Jaws, we press insert b to hear the dialogue again, what should I do to 
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Re: Nasty bug with voice-over and disk utility in recovery finally solved in latest beta update

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Isn’t this breaking the NDA for beta’s?  Since the public release is not out I 
would think so.


> On Jan 21, 2021, at 11:31 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Actually no, it wasn't accessible when the first few betas of Big Sur were 
> released. Every time you pressed Command+F5 to turn Voiceover on, the screen 
> would go blank. But glad it's fixed. Now the contextual menu VO Shortcut 
> needs to be fixed.
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>> On Jan 21, 2021, at 10:38 PM, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
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>> From memory, I don't think this problem was there in the beginning. At the 
>> start of the cycle, I'm quite sure I was able to go through Disk Utility but 
>> then again, maybe I was wrong.
>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2021, at 1:52 pm, Mike Arrigo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad that is fixed, when I installed big sur on my macs, I had to boot from 
>>> a catalina recovery to erase my hard drive first, I'm surprised a bug that 
>>> major made it in to production.
>>> 
 On Jan 21, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Michael Marshall >>> > wrote:
 
 hey all,
 Very happy to report that in the latest beta of big Sur the very nasty bug 
 which would make voice-over crash whilst in the disk utility in recovery 
 has been resolved.
 I can't tell you what a relief this is.
 
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Re: Loup Back

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The purpose of loopback is to bring multiple sources into 1.  You will have to 
record with a different app, audio highjack is made by the same developer, so 
you might want to make sure you are on the latest version.  The website is
https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/
A quick google search would give you the same resault


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> I’ve been hearing about an app for the Mac called Loopback and I have some 
> questions, First, is it like Audio Highjack where it can support broadcasting 
> to Ice Cast server? Audio Highjack has given me some grief since updating to 
> Big Sur. Also, what is the website for this app as my Google searches have 
> yielded some interesting results.
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Re: Mac mail, stopping the message from being read?

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Didn’t have that problem in Catalina, someone from another list gave me a fix, 
just can’t remember it right now.


> On Jan 8, 2021, at 11:16 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Exactly.  Same thing you decided when you were using Catalina.
> 
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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 22:35, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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> Looks to much like classic view.  I will just deal with it.
> 
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>> Try using Column Layout, just like in Catalina.
>> 
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:40, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Already done. Still reads
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:41 AM, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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>>>> Can’t never remember how this is suppose to be done.  I have preview in 
>>>> mail turned off, but VoiceOver still reads part of the message.  How do we 
>>>> stop this?  Thanks.
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Re: Mac mail, stopping the message from being read?

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Looks to much like classic view.  I will just deal with it.

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Try using Column Layout, just like in Catalina.
> 
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> 
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:40, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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> Already done. Still reads
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Dave Carlson > <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> Can’t never remember how this is suppose to be done.  I have preview in 
>>> mail turned off, but VoiceOver still reads part of the message.  How do we 
>>> stop this?  Thanks.
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Re: Mac mail, stopping the message from being read?

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Already done. Still reads


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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:41 AM, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Can’t never remember how this is suppose to be done.  I have preview in mail 
>> turned off, but VoiceOver still reads part of the message.  How do we stop 
>> this?  Thanks.
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Mac mail, stopping the message from being read?

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> Can’t never remember how this is suppose to be done.  I have preview in mail 
> turned off, but VoiceOver still reads part of the message.  How do we stop 
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Re: Function keys on Clever keyboard?

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Go into system preferences, keyboard, and check the box that says use FN keys 
as normal function keys.

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