Re: Me vs sighted help signing in

[Basioli George]

well i see joseph is being the ruller on another list at least he admits this 
is not one of his many he is the ruller of
> On Apr 27, 2016, at 3:01 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> Says the person who sends over 13 messages in a row to the list and
> comments on every post without reading an entire thread.
> 
> On 4/27/2016 10:58 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> You need to drop your attitude,
>> Your emails come across rather snarky / bitchy.
>> 
>> 
>> It may ot be meant that way but that’s the way it sounds to me.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf Patel
>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2016 5:21 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Me vs sighted help signing in
>> 
>> Nobody was being rude. We can't help somebody unless we know what their 
>> issue is. Explaining exactly what's going on and the steps to reproduce is 
>> simply common sense.
>> 
>> On 4/27/2016 6:06 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>>> Helga, she has a very good valid point. We have no idea what she's 
>>> having trouble signing into. So therefore we can't really assist her.
>>> She was not being rude so I know this isn't my list but please don't 
>>> point fingers first somebody being rude.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com  I device support 
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Helga Schreiber 
 > wrote:
 
 Hey Shaff. This is helga! How are you? One question,  Why are you to 
 rude to Sharon? If you are not being rude to her, i it sounds like 
 that in your post man! She did not do anything in order fo ryou to 
 answer her like that man! Maybe she does not know how to describe her 
 problem. So maybe we can give her soem suggestions in what she could 
 have doen and ask her if the steps that she tried to do in ordr to 
 help her! We are suppose to help each other! Hey Sharon, can you tell 
 us what you the steps that you perform in order to sign in to your 
 Mac and the issues you are having in more detail? I will really 
 appreciat eit a lot so that we can help you further! My friend! If 
 you don't expecify your problem in a more detail, it will be a very 
 difficult to help you with your situation and sturggle insigning in 
 to your computer! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God 
 bless!
 
 Helga Schreiber
 
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
 Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
 
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as
 px
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/
 
 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
 whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
 3:16 
 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.1
 
 On Apr 27, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Shaf Patel > wrote:
 
> Nobody can help you unless you describe exactly what the issue is. 
> Just saying 'I can't do something' doesn't help anybody help you.
> 
> On 4/27/2016 4:17 AM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm frustrated when I try to sign into my Mac Book Air with OS 10, 
>> (not the latest yet until I get the hang of things)  For some 
>> reason I can't get through, but my sighted assistant is able to do so!
>> Does anyone know why, and how I can get around like he does?  I 
>> would really appreciate any input.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sharon H.
>> 
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Re: creating a spreadsheet in numbers

[Basioli George]

contact me off list and i can help you
> On Apr 22, 2016, at 23:53 PM, Walter Harper  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> How would I create a spreadsheet in numbers?  I need the spreadsheet to have 
> columns for the persons name date telephone number.
> Walter 
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Re: Problem with Logging On after Update.

[Basioli George]

david
this is your user account login and if you did a clean install you need to 
create a user login that is not the apple login
> On Apr 17, 2016, at 7:52 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I have not been on my Mac much recently as I have got pretty disillusioned by 
> various annoyances and bugs which seem to abound on the Mac nowadays.
> 
> I installed the latest El Kapitan update today to see if that resolved any 
> matters only to be confronted by a whole new range of access barriers.
> 
> I had my Mac set to not require a logon but all of a sudden I am required to 
> provide one.
> I can turn Voiceover on and enter my password but the only buttons then 
> available to me in the dialogue are sleep, restart and shut down.
> 
> I can see nothing about entering an Apple ID.
> 
> So all of a sudden I am locked completely out of a very expensive piece of 
> kit.
> 
> Has anybody else encountered this and is there is any solution for a 
> Voiceover user?
> 
> David Griffith
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Re: MacBook or MacBook Air?

[Basioli George]

simon,

could you write me off list i would like help with v m 
> fusion, please.

thanks
> On Apr 11, 2016, at 3:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah I'm looking at upgrading later this year but I’m stuck on staying with a 
> mac book air config or upping to a mac book pro for a bit more power and 
> ability to run multiple VM machines at one time.
> 
> 
> But it's early days yet.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 11 April 2016 12:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MacBook or MacBook Air?
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> That's the same model and config I have.  I love it.  Can't imagine ever 
> going back to a Macbook, but if I did, it'd be the Pro.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 10, 2016, at 5:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes I can't go past my mac book air 11" 
>> 
>> However mine is a custom built with highest specs possible for that model.
>> 
>> I get the best part of 9 hours out of it in el cap and approx. 6 hours from 
>> a bootcamp image of windows 10 in the same machine.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, 10 April 2016 9:13 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MacBook or MacBook Air?
>> 
>> Hi  Sadam,
>> 
>> If I were you, and my choice was limited to just the latest MBA11 and the 
>> latest MacBook, then there would be no contest: MBA11.
>> 
>> Why?  Connectivity.  Like the first MacBook Air way back when it was 
>> introduced, the connectivity of the MacBook is horribly compromised: just 
>> one USB type C port.  Even if I weren’t sold on the MBA’s slightly smaller 
>> size and its superior specifications, that one port would kill me.  You’ve 
>> got to faff about with adaptors if you want peripherals of pretty much any 
>> variety that you already have, or if you also need power.  You can’t benefit 
>> from Thunderbolt, which means you’re not getting Ethernet at no cost either. 
>>  The machine is undoubtedly cute, of course, but in my opinion its real 
>> distinction is as a Mac for the iPad generation.  If that is not you, I’d 
>> seriously consider staying with the tried and true and get a MacBook Air.  
>> It’ll be a good investment as long as Apple strive to keep OS X running lean 
>> on lower-end dual-core hardware.  It’s either that, or wait for the 
>> next-generation MacBook, when Apple will probably do a Google and put in a 
>> second, much-needed USB type C connector, just like Google Pixel.
>> 
>> Just my opinion, of course.  What you need is entirely dependent on your 
>> tolerances, needs and desires.
>> 
>> Oh, and BTW, you can downgrade to Yosemite on either, because that’s what 
>> both shipped with.  You don’t have to use El Cap if you don’t want to.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
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Re: Template chooser

[Basioli George]

i am going to assume your running pages, correct?

if so then when you open a new blank document go to file and arrow down to show 
templets and you will find it in there
> On Mar 31, 2016, at 18:23 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> Where is it and how do I find it? I added something to the template chooser 
> but I can’t seem to utilize it.  It is listed in the image browser but when I 
> open it I get a dialog telling me I can add it to the template chooser or I 
> can open a new document. When I add it the dialog tells me it is already in 
> the template chooser and asks if I wish to replace it. If I open a new 
> document the template isn’t there. Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Marie Lyons
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Re: comparing: Openbook vs K1000

[Basioli George]

as i said in my email.  i went to the zoom ex web site and clicked on purchess 
and was told on the next page they mergged with s f and i can not find zoom ex 
anywhere on f s page but i do see their new i something for $2400 
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> FS doesn’t make the zoom Ex, I can’t remember right off who does.  I had to 
> do several google searches before I found it.
>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> where did you get yours at?  i went to the web site and when  choose 
>> purchess i was told on the next page that freedom scientific now sells their 
>> produucts and i did not see zoom ex on their web site.
>> 
>> what now?
>>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Zoom Ex runs on the mac/windows.  It’s a USB camera device that you 
>>> download the software for and it works a lot like knfb reader, eye-pal, 
>>> etc.  I love it due to the fact that if you’re scanning something that has 
>>> a ton of pictures intertwined with the text, as opposed to open book, or 
>>> anything else I’ve tried to scan with those images which won’t read them 
>>> properly, the zoom ex, strips the pictures away from the text and reads it 
>>> perfectly; don’t ask me how, because I unfortunately can’t explain it, but 
>>> I think there’s an option in there to save the image with the pictures in 
>>> it if you wanted to.
>>>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Do either of these run on Mac or iOS?
>>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:33 AM Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Just out of curiousity, how much is the pearl compared to the zoom Ex?  I 
>>>> have a zoom Ex, and love it, so if you can afford that, or can have DBS 
>>>> invest in it, that could be an option.
>>>> > On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, NCBM Moses Choo <mosesc...@ncbm.org.my 
>>>> > <mailto:mosesc...@ncbm.org.my>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello,
>>>> >
>>>> > 1.If you are thinking of the pearl camera, I suggest that you  save
>>>> > the money. Its rather expensive but not as accurate as a flatbed scanner.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2.I have not tried the latest version of K1000 but if you want
>>>> > something cheap you can go for the omnipage which is now available both 
>>>> > for
>>>> > Windows and Mac.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Moses.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -Original Message-
>>>> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:06 PM
>>>> > To: undisclosed-recipients:
>>>> > Subject: Ot: comparing: Openbook vs K1000
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi there,
>>>> >
>>>> > In i'm the market of getting an OCR software. I have experience with both
>>>> > software in the pass, some versions ago.  Just wondering, for those that 
>>>> > may
>>>> > have use both or  have experience with both software, especially the
>>>> > openbook 9 and k1000 14, what is the advantes and disadvantages of each
>>>> > other?
>>>> >
>>>> > What do you like about openbook and k1000?
>>>> >
>>>> > I can get the Pearl camera with the openbook however, that is not my 
>>>> > first
>>>> > consideration. I need an OCR software that can scan accurate, fast, and
>>>> > reliable.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have ABBY Find reader on my IMac, however, i'm looking for some window 
>>>> > os
>>>> > solution.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for all the suggestions, comments and thoughtss
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> > Joanne
>>>> >
>>&

Re: comparing: Openbook vs K1000

[Basioli George]

where did you get yours at?  i went to the web site and when  choose purchess i 
was told on the next page that freedom scientific now sells their produucts and 
i did not see zoom ex on their web site.

what now?
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> The Zoom Ex runs on the mac/windows.  It’s a USB camera device that you 
> download the software for and it works a lot like knfb reader, eye-pal, etc.  
> I love it due to the fact that if you’re scanning something that has a ton of 
> pictures intertwined with the text, as opposed to open book, or anything else 
> I’ve tried to scan with those images which won’t read them properly, the zoom 
> ex, strips the pictures away from the text and reads it perfectly; don’t ask 
> me how, because I unfortunately can’t explain it, but I think there’s an 
> option in there to save the image with the pictures in it if you wanted to.
>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> Do either of these run on Mac or iOS?
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:33 AM Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> Just out of curiousity, how much is the pearl compared to the zoom Ex?  I 
>> have a zoom Ex, and love it, so if you can afford that, or can have DBS 
>> invest in it, that could be an option.
>> > On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, NCBM Moses Choo > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > 1.If you are thinking of the pearl camera, I suggest that you  save
>> > the money. Its rather expensive but not as accurate as a flatbed scanner.
>> >
>> > 2.I have not tried the latest version of K1000 but if you want
>> > something cheap you can go for the omnipage which is now available both for
>> > Windows and Mac.
>> >
>> >
>> > Moses.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > 
>> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > ] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:06 PM
>> > To: undisclosed-recipients:
>> > Subject: Ot: comparing: Openbook vs K1000
>> >
>> > Hi there,
>> >
>> > In i'm the market of getting an OCR software. I have experience with both
>> > software in the pass, some versions ago.  Just wondering, for those that 
>> > may
>> > have use both or  have experience with both software, especially the
>> > openbook 9 and k1000 14, what is the advantes and disadvantages of each
>> > other?
>> >
>> > What do you like about openbook and k1000?
>> >
>> > I can get the Pearl camera with the openbook however, that is not my first
>> > consideration. I need an OCR software that can scan accurate, fast, and
>> > reliable.
>> >
>> > I have ABBY Find reader on my IMac, however, i'm looking for some window os
>> > solution.
>> >
>> > Thanks for all the suggestions, comments and thoughtss
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Joanne
>> >
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Re: Apple watch

[Basioli George]

well my stanless steal has them, i just love it when people make statements and 
do not have a clue!!!
> On Mar 29, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> And on the very high end models like the Rose Gold model the insides are 
> removable so an upgrade will simply require swapping out the inside and 
> putting in the new electronics.
>  
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> To the best of my knowledge, all editions of the Apple Watch have identical 
>> hardware and software features. As was said, the difference is only in the 
>> casing and screen materials, meaning a difference in color and finish. But 
>> there's nothing one model can do that any other can't, as far as I know.
>>> On Mar 29, 2016, at 07:33, Jenine Stanley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmmm, Simon, I’m curious. My SS model has heart monitoring and heart rate 
>>> glance plus the Activity and workout apps. 
>>> 
>>> Sarah, a “complication” is a watchmaker’s term for anything on the watch 
>>> face other than the mechanism to tell time. On the Apple Watch, Chris 
>>> described complications pretty well as widgets. 
>>> 
>>> I have several watch faces with different complications depending on where 
>>> I am and what I’m doing. My basic, everyday face is the Simple one but I 
>>> have the Modular and Utility faces set with the exact info I need in other 
>>> situations. It’s easy to switch faces. I even set the colors for faces, 
>>> which is totally cool to be able to do with VO.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 > wrote:
 
 Wo there!  There is no! such thing as a stupid question!
 
 Complications are basically little widgets, if you will, that you can 
 place on your clockface.  So, for example.  On my watch's clockface, I use 
 a face called Modular.  So, in the top left complication, I have it set to 
 tell me no upcoming events, or whatever the next event may be.  In the top 
 right corner, I have my battery.  Bottom left is my activity, like if I've 
 reached my health goal for the day, etc.  The bottom middle complication 
 is a record button for me to launch a very! useful app called Just Press 
 Record.  And finally, my bottom right corner complication is the current 
 temperature.
 
 So, in other words, complications are basically little pieces of info, 
 kind of like a widget, for lack of better word, that you can put on your 
 main watch screen.  When on your main clock face,
 
 1.  3D touch and push your screen.  You'll feel a little vibration, and 
 hear a little bweep sound.  Now you are where you can flick with one 
 finger left and right to select the watch face you wish to use.  Double 
 tap on the one you want.  Note that after double tapping on a face, you'll 
 be taken back to the main clock face screen.
 
 3.  After flicking to the watch face you wish to customize the 
 complications on, flick down with one finger.  Voiceover will say 
 Customize.  Then, double tap.
 
 4.  You're now in the customization screen.  Flicking left and right will 
 move you between complication locations on the currently active face that 
 you're customizing.  Once on a particular complication location of your 
 choice by flicking left or right with one finger, then, you have two 
 choices.
 
 5.  You now can either flick up or down with one finger to select which 
 complication you want in that slot, or to turn off that complication area 
 altogether.  The other option instead of now flicking up or down with one 
 finger is to roll your digital crown either toward you, or away from you. 
 Once you have the complication you want selected,  either flick left or 
 right to another location, or, if you're all done, just press the digital 
 crown straight in.  There's no need to double tap after you select the 
 complication you want at a particular location.
 
 Hopefully, this helps.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com 
 Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
 - Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 8:45 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple watch
 
 
 Stupid question, but what are complacations?
> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I found a little plastic surround that fits around the match that does a 
> great job of protecting the 

Re: Chris, can you read this?

[Basioli George]

i don’t know about chris, but i can read it scott
> On Mar 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris, is this readable?  I disabled GPG signing, see if this fits the 
> bill?
> 
> Thanks for alerting me btw.
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Re: Apple watch

[Basioli George]

like scottsays go for it and get the 42, and stanless steel
> On Mar 28, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Will do! I definitely want to get my hands on one. Might buy from Amazon 
> since I have some gift cards.
>> On Mar 27, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Not necessarily.  I chose the 38.  I kind a now wish I'd done the 42, but oh 
>> well.  I still think the 38 works really well for me, for what it's worth.  
>> That said, please see my other post about the watch.
>> ---
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple watch
>>> 
>>> Really, Chris! Good to know. I thought the 42 was for the guys. LOL
 On Mar 27, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 > wrote:
 
 I've got the 38 model with the milinese band.  I don't find it terribly 
 difficult.  The only thing I find to be really tricky is to finger swyping 
 from left to right, or right to left.  Usually, there are other ways 
 though to get around than having to use those gestures.
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple watch
> 
> The 38 is really not bad. The 42 is roomier, but you won't have problems 
> on the 38. VO on watchOS uses two fingers at most, and even on the 38mm 
> model, buttons are large enough for me to locate. In short, yes, the 42 
> will have more space, but the 38 is not uncomfortably smaller.
>> On Mar 27, 2016, at 15:57, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I really want the second gen watch, but I don’t want to wait b/c I miss 
>> having a watch. My tissot watch broke.
>>> On Mar 27, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarai,
>>> 
>>> I got the 38 because I preferred the smaller size.  And I got the sport 
>>> model because it is significantly cheaper, and I figured I'll want to 
>>> upgrade when the next gen comes out, so thought it made sense to spend 
>>> less on the first generation.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Mar 27, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 Hi:
 I’m thinking about getting an Apple watch. Do you guys like the 38 or 
 42 MM versions best? What about sport vs stainless steel?
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Re: Facebook app question

[Basioli George]

get on the link and then do the rotor to you hear activateion and then flick up 
or down with one finger to you get wherre you want to do and doubble tape
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 21:29 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Kevin, what does a link to a thread on the eyes freelist have to do with a 
> question about an iPhone or iPad app?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
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>> Related thread on eyes-free:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/eyes-free/WUVsursEIOo 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:33 PM Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> I'm cross posting in case there are people on the Mac list to use iPads but 
>> not iPhone. I often run across items in my Facebook feed which say that 
>> person a and person be have shared a link. When this happens, if you double 
>> tap on the item, you get nothing. If you to finger double tap, you get a 
>> choice two choices really, one of which is more. If you double tap the more 
>> choice, you get to save the link and that's it. There's no way to go 
>> directly to the story you want to read. What am I missing? Is there a way, 
>> when you get one of these items, which more than one person has shared, 
>> where you can directly do some gesture, which will take you to the story you 
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>> Mary
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Re: Strange problem when updating iPod

[Basioli George]

you should read all your emails on a subject before responding this has already 
been covered in full about 6 hours ago
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 14:25 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Try updating using itunes on a computer and see if that helps.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 27 March 2016 2:43 AM
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> 
> Did that.  Didn't help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> plug it into power and try
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm having an odd problem trying to update my fifth gen iPod.  I've tried 
>>> several times, and each time I get an error message that the update cannot 
>>> be verified because I am not connected to the internet.  I am, in fact, 
>>> connected to the internet, I can update other apps in the app store, and 
>>> load pages in Safari.  Anyone know what might be causing this or what I can 
>>> do?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Strange problem when updating iPod

[Basioli George]

ok,

keeping hyour i pod connectted to itunes;

go to file, devices, and transfer purchessed apps to iTunes
after this is finished on your iPod do a backup to iCloud useing your iPod in 
settings, iCloud and down at the bottom look to see that backup is turned on 
then exit out of settings to the home screen and keep the iPod plugged into the 
computer and lock the iPod
wait about tem minutes to be sure and then unlock the iPod, and go to settings, 
iCloud, and see when the last backup was it should have a date and time of 
today.

now if all this is complete from iTunes you will do the following

make sure your iTouch is selectted, and then tab to the scroll pain and inter 
act and tab down to backup to this device and put a check in the box
now move to increptted backup and put a check in this box
now make a password for the increptted backup.
now move to backup or sync i can not remember which it is at the moment and vo 
spacebar to start the backup.

when it is finished backing up all your info we can move on from there.

you want to incrept because this way you will save all your settings and 
fpasswords and etc in the backup.

when this is finished you can do a restore of the device and when it is 
restored with the latest i o s then you can if needed restore from the backup 
you just fmade to the computer
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, this just gets weirder and weirder.  I've got my iPod connected to 
> iTunes, and pressed Check for update, and iTunes tells me that the current 
> version 9.2 is up to date.  Now I really don't know what to do.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> well sometimes your device get’s correptted and it needs to be done in 
>> iTunes.
>> 
>> are you connectted to iCloud on your iTouch?
>> 
>> if so besure backup is turned on and then exit out of settings and on your 
>> home screen plug in your device, and lock the device and let it do a backup 
>> of it and then try
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Grrr. :)  Thanks for trying to help, George.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> do it through iTunes then
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nope, still no joy.
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> do a hard reset of the device by holding down the power button for about 
>>>>>> 10 seconds and letting up and wait for it to start again 
>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did that.  Didn't help.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> plug it into power and try
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm having an odd problem trying to update my fifth gen iPod.  I've 
>>>>>>>>> tried several times, and each time I get an error message that the 
>>>>>>>>> update cannot be verified because I am not connected to the internet. 
>>>>>>>>>  I am, in fact, connected to the internet, I can update other apps in 
>>>>>>>>> the app store, and load pages in Safari.  Anyone know what might be 
>>>>>>>>> causing this or what I can do?
>>>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>>>> Donna
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Re: Strange problem when updating iPod

[Basioli George]

well sometimes your device get’s correptted and it needs to be done in iTunes.

are you connectted to iCloud on your iTouch?

if so besure backup is turned on and then exit out of settings and on your home 
screen plug in your device, and lock the device and let it do a backup of it 
and then try
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Grrr. :)  Thanks for trying to help, George.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> do it through iTunes then
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope, still no joy.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> do a hard reset of the device by holding down the power button for about 
>>>> 10 seconds and letting up and wait for it to start again 
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did that.  Didn't help.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> plug it into power and try
>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm having an odd problem trying to update my fifth gen iPod.  I've 
>>>>>>> tried several times, and each time I get an error message that the 
>>>>>>> update cannot be verified because I am not connected to the internet.  
>>>>>>> I am, in fact, connected to the internet, I can update other apps in 
>>>>>>> the app store, and load pages in Safari.  Anyone know what might be 
>>>>>>> causing this or what I can do?
>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>> Donna
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Re: Strange problem when updating iPod

[Basioli George]

do it through iTunes then
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Nope, still no joy.
> Donna
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> do a hard reset of the device by holding down the power button for about 10 
>> seconds and letting up and wait for it to start again 
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did that.  Didn't help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> plug it into power and try
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm having an odd problem trying to update my fifth gen iPod.  I've tried 
>>>>> several times, and each time I get an error message that the update 
>>>>> cannot be verified because I am not connected to the internet.  I am, in 
>>>>> fact, connected to the internet, I can update other apps in the app 
>>>>> store, and load pages in Safari.  Anyone know what might be causing this 
>>>>> or what I can do?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
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Re: iPod Touch and Siri

[Basioli George]

i just talked to her on my iTouch 6 gen and she told me the time and was mad 
because i woke her up.

so the answer is yes it does
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> Can someone tell me if the iPod Touch has Siri? 
> 
> the Apple sales person on the phone said she thought it did not but I’ve 
> heard otherwise. Can anyone with the device confir? thanks.
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Re: Strange problem when updating iPod

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do a hard reset of the device by holding down the power button for about 10 
seconds and letting up and wait for it to start again 
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
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> Did that.  Didn't help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> plug it into power and try
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm having an odd problem trying to update my fifth gen iPod.  I've tried 
>>> several times, and each time I get an error message that the update cannot 
>>> be verified because I am not connected to the internet.  I am, in fact, 
>>> connected to the internet, I can update other apps in the app store, and 
>>> load pages in Safari.  Anyone know what might be causing this or what I can 
>>> do?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Strange problem when updating iPod

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plug it into power and try
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having an odd problem trying to update my fifth gen iPod.  I've tried 
> several times, and each time I get an error message that the update cannot be 
> verified because I am not connected to the internet.  I am, in fact, 
> connected to the internet, I can update other apps in the app store, and load 
> pages in Safari.  Anyone know what might be causing this or what I can do?
> TIA,
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Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Basioli George]

ok my error eariler sory the reset put’s the choices you made back to defalt

i picked the americon again and grondy  and then the next screen doubbled tap 
on the 3 shots which is rite after the discription of the drink
now you should be taken to the next page and flick right with one finger and 
you will hear 3 shots after a couple of flicks, and then keep flicking to the 
right and you will hear something minous and flick again and you hear something 
plus.  sory i can not remember exactually the word before minous and plus and 
doubble tap on the plus once and if you flick left you will hear 4 shots.
now you have that comfermed start flicking to the right again and go past reset 
to you hear save and doubble tap.
now your taken back to the original screen where you got the discription of the 
drink and if you flick right you will now see it is 4 shots.
now flick down to you hear save and double tap.
now you can place the order or i think also save to your favorits

h t h
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 16:10 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yep. My findings too.
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You can find the area, but cannot make any changes to drink size.
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok i just did this on a 6 s+,
>>> 
>>> opened the app
>>> doubbled tapped on order
>>> flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped
>>> on the next screen you need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona
>>> now in the next page you will have a discription of the drink, then a place 
>>> to doubble tap to add more water and then another place to add shots and 
>>> then another place to add extras like sourps, etc. then move on from there 
>>> by doubble tapping on reset recipe.
>>> 
>>> i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
>>> seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as 
>>> such.  for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or 
>>> link or what ever it is.
>>> 
>>> i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and 
>>> there is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.
>>> 
>>> h t h
>>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi guys:
>>>> I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the 
>>>> drink. I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add 
>>>> expresso shots etc. Any idea?
>>>> 
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Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Basioli George]

ok i just did this on a 6 s+,

opened the app
doubbled tapped on order
flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped
on the next screen you need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona
now in the next page you will have a discription of the drink, then a place to 
doubble tap to add more water and then another place to add shots and then 
another place to add extras like sourps, etc. then move on from there by 
doubble tapping on reset recipe.

i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as such.  
for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or link or what 
ever it is.

i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and there 
is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.

h t h
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> 
> Hi guys:
> I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the drink. 
> I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add expresso 
> shots etc. Any idea?
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Re: security settings on the mac where are they?

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do a v o m and in the apple menu arrow down to system prefferences
in this window interact with the window and arrow with vo arrow right to you 
land on security and vo spacebar on it
now your in the window and look and see what you want to do.
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 18:12 PM, Rhonda Partain  wrote:
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> I am trying to test a program and mac says my security settings only allow  
> apps from the app store, how can I change this and where? I am new to the mac 
> so detailed instructions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

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i just got off the phone with apple support acccessibility, and if you have 
apps in the app switcher running i.e. open he did the 4 finger swip with voice 
over running and it switched to the other app it worked perfect for him with v 
o running
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> but it's not a VoiceOver gesture, so it wouldn't be recognized there at all. 
> It's a universal gesture that works with or without VoiceOver being active. 
> In fact, the only place (other than on your Home screen) it likely would NOT 
> work is in Practice Mode, because that mode catches every gesture before iOS 
> can process it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 07:43, Robert Hill  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about the four finger swipe, 
>> because when I tried just now, I had no luck" 
>> I went into accessibility setings' and the voiceover practice area, and lo 
>> and behold, the four finger swipe gesture was not recognized. 
>> 
>> Rats!
>> 
>> Bob Hill 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Robert Hill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rey and listers, 
>>> 
>>> I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked 
>>> just fine" 
>>> I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
>>> cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 
>>> 
>>> Bob Hill 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it 
 must only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 
 6+.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary and all,
> 
> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 
> 9.2 and iOS 9.3.
> 
> Ben
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>> Mary
>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
>>> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
>>> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
>>> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
>>> will. 
>>> 
>>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more 
>>> stable in 9.3. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
 wrote:
 
 what is it supposed to accomplish?
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right 
> swipe gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do 
> but I can’t get it to work. 
> 
> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
> 
> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe 
> I just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: Tips installing OS X 10.11.4?

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just from your desktop do the following
v o m to open the menu bar
arrow down the apple menu to app store
v o spacebar to open it
interact with the toolbar and arrow right to downloads and v o spacebar
stop interactting with tool bar and v o right arrow to thehtml field and 
interact and v o right arrow through the info and it will be there
do the o s x update first and when it is all finished then go through the same 
stteps and update iTunes.

when you choose to update the o s x, it will do it all on it’s own and restarte 
your device twice and the second time it will be the log in screen, and v o 
will speak.
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ray:  I would like to get some advice on the installation of the latest 
> OS could you point me to some instructions?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:29 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with the 
>> latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to thinking 
>> that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS without sighted 
>> assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that drew me away from 
>> windows and to the Mac back in  2009.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Basioli George]

here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said 
the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
> than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
> 
> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car 
> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
> 
> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to show. 
>  Steve we miss you buddy!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
>> However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
>> weaken the hype for the future.
>> 
>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a 
>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving 
>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>> 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Numbers Questions

[Basioli George]

well for your first answer;
there are keyboard commands to move from sheet to sheet
command [ moves left one sheet
command ] moves right one sheet
and if you add option  so it is command option and [ or ] will take you to the 
first sheet of the group or the last sheet of the group.

there is also a rename sheet in the menu bar i am not sure what menu it is 
under at this time and i think therre is no keyboard command for this.

also, the sheet navigation is also in the menu bar and i am not sure what title 
it is under at this time eather

sory i am not at a place to bring up numbers to give you the exact info 


> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hmm, if you just want to jump between sheets in a single document it's 
> command-shift-bracket with left-bracket being the previous sheet and 
> right-bracket being the next sheet. These are the same commands to switch 
> tabs in Safari.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/17/16 9:43 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Number one
>> There is no jump command per se. You have to stop interacting with the sheet 
>> layout area where your tables are for a given sheet, and navigate left to 
>> the sheet navigation tab group where you can select the sheet you want to 
>> work in. Then after selecting your sheet you have two choices one, you can 
>> stop interacting with the navigation group and navigate over to the sheet 
>> layout area, or two, you can bring up the context menu for the sheet with 
>> Volvo shift M and select the table you want to work in for that sheet.
>> Your second question number two as to renaming a sheet, in that same context 
>> menu for the given sheet there is a rename option.
>> And finally for number three, no alas, there is no way to stop volt from 
>> speaking the row numbers, You'll just have to get used to it.
>> BTW: I'm kind of surprised you couldn't find the way to move between sheets 
>> as it's just a matter of an interacting and exploring the upper level of the 
>> app. Also it's always a good idea to try to bring up a context menu for any 
>> element that you want to find out more about.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Sandy Finley  wrote:
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>>> I posed 2 numbers questions on this list and have not yet received a 
>>> response - since I have  a third, i will just put them together in  this 
>>> message.
>>> 
>>> 1. What is the command to jump between work sheets in a spreadsheet? I 
>>> cannot find it.
>>> 
>>> 2. How does one name a work sheet?
>>> 
>>> 3. Is there a way to get VoiceOver to read the data in a field without 
>>> constantly indicating the position of the field? There  are  times when 
>>> hearing "a1" with the data is distracting.
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Re: Getting into my trash folder

[Basioli George]

open your doc and arrow right to trash
now do a v o shift m to open the contextual menu and arrow down to open
now your in the trash folder and on a list you need to interact with this and 
arrow to the item you wish to remove and copy it and past it someone where


> On Mar 16, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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> I have some raw audio files I need to move and work with that are currently 
> in my trash folder after an Amadeus Pro crash. How in the world do I get to 
> the Trash folder? This feels like one of those DUH type questions. 
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Re: figured out how to add a title to a photo or vid

[Basioli George]

well the thing was didn’tthis start on how to do this on a iPhone, and now it 
is how to do and doing on it a mac?
> On Mar 14, 2016, at 16:00 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
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> Thanks for this!  So simple, yet so elusive!
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Based on ET's description, it may be that all of you won't have this 
>> problem, but I'm posting just in case.  For me, when I tried to get info on 
>> the photo, the info window was hidden.  So I had to select it with Window 
>> Chooser, CVO-F2.  Once I did that, I saw the same thing he described, the 
>> first option is to add a title.  Note that this was in the Photos app on the 
>> Mac.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: VMWare tips

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open v m fusion make sure fus is running and windows is off you can see all 
this in the vertual machine menu
now with that set go to the vertual machine menu and down to settings and open 
that and you will find the setting to change the amount of memory used by the v 
m 
> On Mar 11, 2016, at 5:51 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Helo all:
> am using El capitan and VMware v7.3
> I notice that the VMware is using just 2 gb of my 8 gb ram. why is this?
> and how can I extend this?
> and are there any tips for adjusting the VMware itself? I found many
> options inside  it's preferences? if you have any suggestions please
> share.
> also, if ii will upgrade to VMware 8, will I lose my windows or not?
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: How do I remove icons from the dock?

[Basioli George]

open the doc with vo d
arrow to the item to remove
do a vo shift m
arrowdown to others and vo spacebar
now arrow down to remove from doc and vo spacebar

h t h
,d

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:36 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   You can also sort the Dock. Focus on an app, and while holding the Option 
> and Command keys, use left or right arrows to move. VO will speak what you 
> are next to. Drop the app where you like by releasing the two keys.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 3/10/2016 7:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Awesome!  thank you, worked like a charm.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 9:05 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Easy as pie. Focus on the app,VO shift m, select Options, select Remove 
>>> from dock.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/10/2016 6:57 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 I've googled this, and the answer I found suggested dragging and dropping. 
  I've looked in the Finder menu, and brought up the context menu for the 
 app I want to remove.  Nothing.  Can anyone tell me how to do this?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: GoPro and other camera app

[Basioli George]

scott

can i get the info for the go pro also

thanks
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Janine, feel free and write me off list.  I just recently bought a pile of 
> GoPros and accessories so at least can help out on that side.
> 
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>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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>> Thanks much. My other big question is about accessories for both cameras but 
>> that’s beyond this list. 
>> Jenine Stanley
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>>> So the Go pro is pretty usable even with out the app.  The nice thing is 
>>> you have a button on the side which is a simple start and stop recording 
>>> button and everything is dropped to an SD card where you can copy it and 
>>> work with the video.  The APP is more of a file transfer / file editing / 
>>> simple movie making deal.  You can do a lot of that with other tools.
>>> 
>>> Either camera should do well.  Sony makes the censors for most cameras 
>>> anyway.
>>> 
>>> Good luck
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Trying to use talking Windows installer on my MacBookAir.

[Basioli George]

could you please post the link to the info for the new windows 10 install 
talking envirement, please


> On Mar 4, 2016, at 4:48 AM, Carter Temm  wrote:
> 
> I know some users have reported success with it, however after many attempts 
> I'm still unable to get it working. I also saw windows 10 talking 
> preinstallation environment was released. Is anyone tried this? If so, what 
> are your experiences?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 4, 2016, at 2:12 AM, Sagar Verma  > wrote:
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>> Hello everyone!
>> hope all are doing well!
>> as the subject mentions I am trying to use the talking windows installer on 
>> my mac to install windows without sighted help.
>> someone got it working from ApleVis.
>> I am not able to make it work,
>> I tried to get in touch with that person who got it working, however, I 
>> haven’t hurd from him.
>> here’s the actual post which I am referring about,
>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-talking-windows-pre-installation-environment-install-windows-mac-usb-drive
>>  
>> 
>> has anyone here got it working?
>> I know we need a sound card for this to work.
>> I am using Logitech h800.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Join our WhatsappGroups for Apple users And Android users,
>> We provide assistance from an accessibility point of view.
>> to join our Groups kindly contact me on
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>> 
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Re: Romola captcha solver

[Basioli George]

jonathen

where do you run windows on a seperate device or v m on your mac
> On Mar 3, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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> Hi Jenine, I seldom use the Mac side for the web, but I do have Rumola on 
> Firefox for Windows and it works very well. When you go to a web page where 
> there's CAPTCHA, a voice tells you that CAPTCHA has been detected. As you 
> start to complete the form, the CAPTCHA is submitted and completed for you, 
> deducting one credit from the bundle you've purchased. You buy a bunch of 
> credits, rather than pay a monthly subscription.
> I believe the website is::
> http://skipinput.com/ 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 4/03/2016, at 5:12 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe I’m not spelling it correctly but could someone give a link for more 
>> info on the Romola captcha solver? 
>> 
>> Is it a monthly subscription? How is it working for you? 
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Understanding the VMware concepts with windows

[Basioli George]

because they do not wish to.
> On Mar 3, 2016, at 2:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That gives mea a chance to ask a crazy apple question.
> 
> I'm looking to upgrade my mac book air later this year possibly and I'd like 
> to get another MBA but for some reason apple wont put more than 8GB of ram in 
> the mac book air range,or more than 512 GB HDD 
> Any one on the list know hwy these limitations are set bby apple?
> 
> I'd like the smallest notebook with the most power possible for running 
> multiple VM's but they wont allow these over the top mods 
> 
> Can anyone tell me why?
> 
> Quad core processor would be nice also.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2016 8:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Understanding the VMware concepts with windows
> 
>How much memory does your Mac have? You need to split that between OS X 
> and Windows. You do this in VMware settings. I added memory and have 16gigs 
> and split that evenly between OS X and Windows, works ok.
> 
>When you run both aat the same time, both are using/sharing resources.
> 
>You can leave VO as is.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/2/2016 11:35 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> I have the El Capitan with Vmware v7.1 and windows 7 64 bit with jaws 
>> 17, i can not open more than 1 window at a time, is this the vmware 
>> concept or we can adjust something?
>> and, what about Voice over, must we close it before using the Vmware or what?
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

thank you so much ann
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> Thank you for buying the book.
> 
> Below my signature are instructions for printing a batch of envelopes from 
> Contacts.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> Use Contacts to address envelopes.
> 
> • Put the selected card or cards into a new group;
> • Press Command-P to bring up the Print dialogue;
> • Navigate to the last visible item (VO-End) then go left twice. If you find 
> Show Details button, click it;
> • Use the Item Chooser to find the label Style;
> • Go right to the pop up button;
> • Pop it and select "Envelopes" if it is not already saying "Envelopes";
> • Navigate right to Layout and select it;
> • Navigate right past the other two tabs and click the button to the right of 
> where it says "layout" again;
> • Navigate down the menu, past Save as, delete and so on, until you find 
> either International envelopes or North American Envelopes submenu;
> • Select the appropriate envelope type;
> • Navigate right to see the exact dimensions of the envelope, the position 
> and size of the recipient's address panel (how far from top, how far from 
> left and how big);
> • Continue to navigate right, past the field telling you the number of 
> addresses selected and the zoom slider and you'll find the position and size 
> of the Sender address panel;
> • Use the Item Chooser menu to locate the Label tab and select it;
> • Navigate right to the checkbox "Print my address", clear this checkbox if 
> you don't want your address to appear on the envelope;
> • Navigate right to the address category pop up button and select the one you 
> want to send from (Home, Work, etc.);
> • Navigate right to the Addresses pop up button where you select the category 
> of address for the recipient(s);
> • To the right again, you select the print order (alphabetical or Postal 
> Code);
> • Continuing right, you can select to print your company name, the 
> recipient's company name, both or neither;
> • To the right again, if you check Country, all country names will be printed 
> unless you check the checkbox Except my country, in which case only other 
> country names will be printed;
> • To the right again, you select font colour (default black);
> • Now use the Item Chooser menu to select the Orientation tab;
> • The first radio button to the right shows the printing to be perpendicular 
> to the feed direction of the envelope, and the second radio button shows it 
> to be parallel;
> • You can now print your envelope.
> 
> Fortunately, Contacts remembers the settings for next time!
> 
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:06, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> thank you ann and i am buying your book.
>> 
>> is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no 
>> success.
>> thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.
>> 
>> thanks again
>> 
>> george
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello George,
>>> 
>>> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for 
>>> one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts 
>>> if you need to print more than a couple at a time.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> jonathen 
>>>> 
>>>> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
>>>> envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web 
>>>> site.
>>>> 
>>>> i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing 
>>>> list of envelopes.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org 
>>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this 
>>>>> list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it 
>>>>> inside-out.
>>>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would 
>>>>> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. The

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

thank you ann and i am buying your book.

is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no success.
thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.

thanks again

george
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for one 
> envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts if you 
> need to print more than a couple at a time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> jonathen 
>> 
>> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
>> envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web 
>> site.
>> 
>> i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing list 
>> of envelopes.
>> 
>> thanks
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org 
>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, 
>>> particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.
>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would 
>>> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to 
>>> do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My 
>>> Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the 
>>> most of the application.
>>> You can learn more about the book here 
>>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>.
>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need 
>>> out there.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: VMware Fusion

[Basioli George]

scott,

could you please write ;me off list.  i need to talk to you

thanks

george
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:17 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> VM fusion is being developed just off shore I believe.  Things are in flux do 
> to the Dell deal in the works.
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2016, at 6:28 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  If the VMware Fusion product is no longer being developed, then there is a 
>> chance the current version may not be compatible with the next OS X. With 
>> that in mind, I will work to kick the Windows habit completely. Sounds like 
>> the 12 step program and I am probably on the 11th step.
>> 
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Re: Walking directions in the United States

[Basioli George]

ben,

since you have both blind square and navigon use them together 
start blind square and make your trip with useing your current location as the 
start, and your appointment place as the distination.
then when you tell b s the next move it will ask you what app it will see on 
your device and choose navigon
now navigon will open and it will do it’s thing and when you walk you will get 
the turns from navigon and you will get all the intersection info and all the b 
s info at the same time.
this is why i have different voices for my divice and blind square so when on 
the road you can tell which is telling you what.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ben, Sendero has a product that’s not bad that’s like $70 yearly or something 
> in that range.  They also have a free around me app.
> 
> The included Apple Maps app is very usable and regardless of any app, 
> congrats on the interview and I’m pulling for you to get the gig.
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a job interview coming up this week, and I need to do some practice 
>> so that I can know where I'm going. Once I get into the area, however, I 
>> would like to know which app you guys prefer for obtaining walking 
>> directions. Under android, I used an app called nearby explorer. It works 
>> splendidly. I have blind square, nava gone, Apple Maps, Google maps, and 
>> Waze. I have used BlindSquare before with great results, but I need to be 
>> very sure of what I'm receiving. What would you guys recommend?
>> 
>> Ben
>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

jonathen 

do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web site.

i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing list of 
envelopes.

thanks
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, 
> particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be 
> willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do 
> this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac 
> Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most 
> of the application.
> You can learn more about the book here 
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out 
> there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

i do not see sited persons gripeing when they pay for those 800 page books on 
how to use all this mac and windows stuff.

stop the winning because you have a disibility and get on with your lifes
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Just a thought: if you all feel so passionately that an author shouldn't be 
> paid for her work, why not use the resources there are--including buying that 
> book--and become experts yourselves? Then you can freely share all the 
> knowledge you like.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 02:21, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>>> anything to you or your family?
>>> 
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>>> this guide,
>>> 
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>> 
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>>> with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>>> beneficial knowledge.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
 
  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
 if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
 you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?
 
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>>> able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
 a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
 instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
 was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>> this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>> with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>> beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
 
 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>> able or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>>> people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

you got that wrong it is sanders who is promossing to give everything for free
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 19:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he 
> will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you 
> do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might 
> remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>> 
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available 
>>> means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. 
>>> However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It 
>>> probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do 
>>> other things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem 
>>> compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and 
>>> full of useful knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate.  
>>> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may 
>>> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I 
>>> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
>>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if 
>>> they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>> 
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>> 
>>> DFTBA!
>>> 
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>> 
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
 would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
 
 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
> to help them make a course for it.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
> 
>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
> 
>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>clearly knows it inside-out.
>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>application.
>You can learn more about the book here
>.
>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>real need out there.
>Jonathan Mosen
>Mosen Consulting
>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>http://Mosen.org 
> 
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Re: Adding or Moving Contacts Between Groups in iOS

[Basioli George]

go into your main contacts and highlite / select the ones you wish to put in a 
group and copy with command c
now go and select the group name in the group list so it is highlitted
now do a command v and past the selections you copied from the main contacts.
this will put the copy of those copied into the group you have selectted and 
leave the original in the fffmain contacts.

you have to have a name in the main contacts inable to put it in a group
if you start by creatting a new contact within the group when it is intered it 
will also put the contact in the main contacts.
> On Feb 25, 2016, at 15:18 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> With your consent, I would prefer to keep this, on-list, as I think others 
> may find the discussion useful.
> 
> So, last night, I opened up the Contacts app in OS X.  
> 
> Under the View Menu, I selected to show the Groups List.  After doing this, I 
> was able to see the various lists I created on iCloud.com.  
> 
> How does one add an existing Contact to various groups in OS X?  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Basioli George
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Adding or Moving Contacts Between Groups in iOS
> 
> you can only do it in i o s with third party apps.
> it is easy to do in contacts in o s x
> 
> if you have any questions contact me off list
>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 21:36 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I am cross-posting this.
>> 
>> I feel as though I am in the Twilight Zone, today. (smile)
>> 
>> Is there a natively Apple iOS method of moving Contacts between groups?  
>> 
>> From what I can discover, there is not.  
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud.com I can manage groups and move contacts between 
>> them using a very visual method.  That is to say, one has to click and 
>> drag the contacts to the various groups.  This is, in no way, blind or 
>> low-vision friendly.
>> 
>> Now I realize that there are third-party iOS apps that many use and 
>> recommend, however, I do not like the idea of giving a third-party app 
>> access to my contacts list.
>> 
>> Perhaps this can be done in OS X?  I seem to remember that this 
>> subject was discussed a while back on the Mac Visionaries mailing list.
>> 
>> Thank you all for your help on this one.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: iTunes really messed up

[Basioli George]

chill out maybe the apple server for iTunes is having issues.  it will all be 
good in time.
look on the bright side you could of had comcast last week and hade no server 
for over a day…lol
> On Feb 25, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Okay.  I tried to turn on Home sharing inside iTunes for my Apple TV and it 
> would not work.  So, I tried signing out of my Apple ID account using iTunes. 
>  Now, for some reason, I cannot seem to sign back in using iTunes.  I tried 
> moving my entire iTunes folder to my desk top temporarily but that didn't 
> work when I moved it back.  Any ideas?
> 
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> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
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Re: Adding or Moving Contacts Between Groups in iOS

[Basioli George]

you can only do it in i o s with third party apps.
it is easy to do in contacts in o s x

if you have any questions contact me off list
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 21:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I am cross-posting this.
> 
> I feel as though I am in the Twilight Zone, today. (smile)
> 
> Is there a natively Apple iOS method of moving Contacts between groups?  
> 
> From what I can discover, there is not.  
> 
> If I go to iCloud.com I can manage groups and move contacts between them
> using a very visual method.  That is to say, one has to click and drag the
> contacts to the various groups.  This is, in no way, blind or low-vision
> friendly.  
> 
> Now I realize that there are third-party iOS apps that many use and
> recommend, however, I do not like the idea of giving a third-party app
> access to my contacts list.  
> 
> Perhaps this can be done in OS X?  I seem to remember that this subject was
> discussed a while back on the Mac Visionaries mailing list.
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> Thank you all for your help on this one.
> 
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Re: Taking a backup from my system with VM ware

[Basioli George]

yes it will because v m fusion is like running a app in your o s x operatting 
system.  this is why v m fusion is a app in the apps window.

so, it backups with time machine and any thing you have installed to the fusion 
app.
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> yes, it will back up VMware as well. Basically the TimeMachine backup 
> performs a whole system backup, and Fusion uses what’s known as VMware bundle 
> file to store package of Windows files, which is by default stored in 
> /users/docuements/VMware folder. If you got a big enough hard drive space you 
> can also back that file up for any other use.
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>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> finally, I got my MacBook pro with El capitan and windows 7 in VMware fusion.
>> now I need to be sure that I can reinstall my windows any time I will
>> need to do so, because I depend on backups all my life.
>> if I will use the time machine, will it back up  the VMware? and
>> windows or what?
>> excuse me but am very very new on the mac world.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Download Completion Actions In Safari

[Basioli George]

el capitan, go to finderr download folder and right click on it and it is the 
first choice it is something not sure of the word and settings … open that 
choice and make your choice

 
> On Feb 20, 2016, at 19:46 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Is this for El Capitan? I could not find such an option.
> 
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> 
> On 2/20/2016 4:37 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>> You need to set up the folder alert system on your download folder in
>> Finder.
>> 
>> You can probably find this yourself by investigating by bringing up the
>> context menu on your downloads folder in Finder. I did do  a podcast on
>> this last year but I will have to look for it if it is not on Apple Vis.
>> 
>> There are some downsides to using folder alerts but on balance I think
>> the benefits outweigh the problems.
>> 
>> The main problem is that
>> 1. The folder alert will come up as soon as the download starts as it
>> recognise that a temporary download file has been placed in your
>> download folder.
>> 2. The folder alert dialogue will come up again when the download is
>> completed.
>> This means that you will get two notifications for each download.
>> 
>> The other problem is that the window that comes up offrering you the
>> ottion to look at the new file in your downloads folder is not
>> automatically announced by Voiceover though if you have some sight it is
>> apparently very visible.
>> However even though  I have no useful sight I do not find this a problem
>> in use.
>> 
>> 1. When the download starts you will expect the download alert to come
>> up. Using any Voiceover reading key will read the dialogue and reveal
>> what it is.
>> I then get on with something else. As soon as my Voiceover reading is
>> interrupted in whatever I am doing I will realise that almost certainly
>> it is the folder alert notice telling me that a file has arrived in the
>> download folder. Again naviggating with voiceover will read the dialogue
>> perfectly well.
>> 
>> If you do nothing the folder alert notice will go away of its own accord
>> after a few seconds.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/02/2016 18:12, Daniel Chavez wrote:
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering how can you have Safari perform an action when a
>>> download completes? (e.g., play a sound, or at least pop-up a,
>>> download complete, dialog.)
>>> I use to remember how to do it but i never wrote the instructions down.
>>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Basioli George]

also on the new mac book pros 2015 and newer with no optical drive there is no 
power button and the old eject button is now the power button
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> That makes sense.  On the MacBook Air, the Power button and the Eject button 
> are the same.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just fyi, this trick also works on the desk top mac, but it’s then control, 
>> option, command eject instead of power..
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anne 
>>> 
>>> I'd never heard of the Cmd-Option-Ctrl power shut down option.  Thanks for 
>>> sharing that.  What a useful trick when you find yourself in a situation 
>>> where forcing shut down is the only option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Caitlyn,
>>>> 
>>>> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
>>>> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
>>>> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. 
>>>> Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. 
>>>> Hold down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the 
>>>> Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup 
>>>> chime four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
>>>> 
>>>> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
>>>> press the Eject key.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
>>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>>>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello George,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is 
>>>>>> not only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! 
>>>>>> I use Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching 
>>>>>> to a French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get 
>>>>>> speech back.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> do the following
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>>>>>>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>>>>>>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
>>>>>>> since this is your defalt set voice
>>>>>>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar 
>>>>>>> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> close the voice over utility
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> how’s that
>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex 
>>>>>>>> screenreader my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to 
>>>>>>>> work 

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Basioli George]

do the following

command f8 to open the voice over utilities
in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
this is your defalt set voice
v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and the 
defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice

close the voice over utility

how’s that
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
> 
> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone 
> thanks a lot Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  > wrote:
> 
>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
>> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
>> problem.
>> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor"  
>> To:  
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I 
>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>> > 
>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
>> > the 
>> > problem. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
>> > it. 
>> > 
>> > Mark 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Basioli George]

i contactted apple senior tech this morning and they had me send them a email 
forward with the dreaded er string in the subject line.
they told me to let all know that suggestion is to change your defalt from alix 
and that they should have the issue fixed by wed otr thursday of this week.

said you may get a ox update or it will just happen in the background.

hope this helps all.


> On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:27 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Alex Hall  wrote:
>> Same with the Mac, but Alex is default on the Mac whereas Samantha is
>> default on iOS.
> 
> 
> The default varies by country/region, but I think it's always a Nuance
> synthesizer under iOS.
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Re: does any one know how i can get them with out paying for them?

[Basioli George]

can we stop this silly stuff now getting tired of deleatting
> On Feb 13, 2016, at 13:05 PM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> 
> Alright, in order to keep the piece, I'll drop that subject. No, I'm not 
> running away, and I'm not acquiescing to another view point, but I'll agree 
> to disagree.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
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> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 12:59 PM -0800, "E.T."  > wrote:
> 
> The dictionary would also disagree with your definition.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
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> 
> On 2/13/2016 12:53 PM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> > And how does it happen to disagree with /me/? I'd kindly ask you to read
> > my message again, because I did not say that I am proposed to piracy, I
> > just said that piracy is, in fact, not stealing.
> >
> > Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> > Devin Prater
> > d.pra...@me.com 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 12:51 PM -0800, "Mary Otten"  > wrote:
> >
> > Devon,
> > The law just happens to disagree with you.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2016, at 12:30 PM, d.pra...@me.com
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Piracy isn't stealing, it's copying. Sure, it's illegal, but it's
> >> not stealing, as the original person still has a copy. Stop with
> >> the sensational crap and learn, for your own sake. We don't grow
> >> in any way by simply spouting out what w've been taught, like a
> >> machine. Now onto the voice thing. My question is, why not use the
> >> built-in Vocalizer voices? I know, Infovox is new, and people
> >> always gravitate to new things, but Vocalizer has pretty much any
> >> language one would need. The only glaring omission that there is
> >> for me is that there is no Esperanto voice, but guess what?
> >> Infovox doesn't have one either. So really, use Vocalizer unless
> >> you have no regard for the law. In that case, go ahead and search,
> >> fore telling you not to will only further your resolve. Besides
> >> that, if the crack didn't exist, iVox wouldn't have a "lost sale"
> >> anyways, because you wouldn't have bought it, I'm sure. Now if
> >> Infovox has an Esperanto voice, I'd surely shell out some money
> >> for that, as no other voice system for the Mac has it.
> >>
> >> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> >> Devin Prater
> >> d.pra...@me.com 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 11:25 AM -0800, "Shaf"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> This is why piracy exists. If developers priced their apps 
> >> reasonably
> >> and didn't have any "3 activations per user" BS, people would be 
> >> more
> >> willing to pay. If a developer who's not filthy rich creates and
> >> incredible app at a reasonable price, I'll absolutely support them.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/13/2016 7:06 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> >> > I don’t need to comment on the ethics of the discussion, since 
> >> that has already elicited all the usual fairly predictable responses, but 
> >> I’m pretty sure I remember paying more for the Mac voices than for the 
> >> Doze ones, so I checked where prices stand now.
> >> >
> >> > Here are the numbers: to buy all of the Infovox iVox English 
> >> voices for the Mac, in one go, and benefiting from the 40% discount for 30 
> >> or more voices (total 39 English voices) it would cost me £280.80, which 
> >> entitles me to a licence of each voice for one Mac.  On Windows, the same 
> >> product is the InfoVox 4 English bundle, which costs £270.00 from Computer 
> >> Room Services, who will ship you a physical USB key, that permits 
> >> activations on up to 3 Windows boxes.
> >> >
> >> > So, no.  Alas, we Mac users are, in fact, being ripped off 
> >> pretty thoroughly compared to our unfortunate Windows-using friends.  This 
> >> is, of course, entirely unsurprising.  I think it’s best to avoid 
> >> discussing the price when advocating the Mac platform. :)
> >> >
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Re: Official Moderator Contact?

[Basioli George]

well you told us now that you have something for sale…

send a email to cara’s email link below and mark will get it
> On Feb 6, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Bloody Google Groups.
> 
> I have a Mac for sale.  How do I get to the moderator-person to approve the 
> ad [1]?  I see no obvious way from either Google’s own web interface or the 
> email help autoresponder.  Only the owner contact is listed, and my 
> recollection is that the owner is Cara who presumably doesn’t need to be 
> bothered with this.
> 
> Help appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
> 
> [1] A well-intentioned but silly rule, IMO.  The quality of a sale can’t be 
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Re: Uber Questions

[Basioli George]

frist of all

you need to go into settings and set up your account
you have to give a creditcard to pay
you need to let uber access your location  this is why your friend saw 5 cars
next you can choose current location that way as a pick up
you can do the address if you know what it is
now when you select get  a ride or what ever it is called, the cool thing is 
when a driver answers you will get a discription of the drriver i.e.  make of 
car, color, andlicense number.  now i know not to effictive for blind, but 
there is now a button to contact driver and you can call or text and tell the 
driver your visually inpared and discribe yourself and they need to look for 
you.



> On Feb 6, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> Hi guys:
> We just got Uber in my town! I have questions about the app that I cannot 
> find the answers to.
> 1. There is a pickup location home button, and a set pickup location button. 
> What is the difference?
> 2. At set pickup location, do you have to put in the street address? If you 
> are going to Target for example, do you look up the address before you go? If 
> so I don’t always know the address of where I’m going.
> 3. I opened the app last night, it said no cars available, but a sighted 
> person opened hers and saw 5 cars available and the ETA to our street. How 
> can I get this info? 
> 4. Any other tips or suggestions? I’m kind of nervous to use the app, and 
> travel alone.
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Re: having trouble getting into edit mode on my phone

[Basioli George]

hi,

do the following
just doubble tap and hold, dont press and witth another finger while; holding 
the first on the app tap once anywhere on the screen and you will get the 
dialog asking if you wish to deleate the app with all the worrings.
flick to deleate and doubble tap
> On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Never mind, got it.  Finally!
> Donna
>> On Feb 1, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know I've brought this up before, but it's happening again.  I can't get 
>> my screen into the edit mode so I can delete apps.  I've tried adjusting how 
>> hard I press on the screen, but nothing seems to work, I always end up  
>> opening the app.  Does anyone have a trick to consistently make this work?
>> thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: how to make a cell longer in Numbers

[Basioli George]

highlite the cell, interact with it
no go to the table menu and arrow down to auto size collum to fit and choose 
that


> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Wow, it was difficult for me to find the place in the table formatter to 
> adjust column and width size.  You can  set a hot spot for this while working 
> on adjusting the table. Also the contextual menu does have an option to 
> auto-size based on the current selection,  The third option is that 
> Applescript for Numbers appears to have a property for the column object for 
> width So if you need to have access to the width on a regular basis, you 
> could associate an applescript command to prompt you with a value.
> 
> .
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 07:44, Scott Berry  wrote:
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>> Hello there,
>> 
>> Is there a shortcut key to make the cells longer width wise in Numbers?
>> 
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Re: Frustration with AccessNote

[Basioli George]

where do i go to find writer please

thanks
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
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> Thanks, Jim, for the input.
> 
> I recently purchased Writer but hadn’t started using it. Based on my negative 
> experience with AccessNote, I wish that I had started using Writer earlier. I 
> am usually reluctant to criticize an app in a public forum, preferring 
> instead to first see if the problem isn’t at my end, i.e. that I am missing 
> something basic.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the tip about using Writer.  I’ll start using it today.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>> On 22,Jan,2016, at 23:07, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
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>> Hey Mike!
>> I don't know about the app you mentioned but if it doesn't work, give 
>> "writer" from voice dream a try.  Its a cool accessible app.
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> The American Foundation for the Blind created a simple wordprocessing 
>>> program called AccessNote, and this is the app to which my subject line is 
>>> referring.
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I spent several hours taking some notes on a book I was reading, 
>>> and to do this, I used AccessNote.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I lost all of my work and can’t figure out how this happened.
>>> 
>>> I read the manual a couple of times, but I never encountered a section 
>>> where saving files is discussed.  In the past, I have “saved” files by 
>>> renaming my title.
>>> 
>>> So here are my questions:
>>> 
>>> 1. How does one go about saving files.  In order to forestall a similar 
>>> frustration in the future, I’d like to be able to save my work every ten 
>>> minutes or so.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Is there any way to recover “lost” files?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Frustration with AccessNote

[Basioli George]

i went there and put in writer in the search field and found nothing like that.

by the way i did this before you told me to go find it in the app store.

so again how do i find the writter?
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> it is in the app store for iOS
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> where do i go to find writer please
>> 
>> thanks
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Mike Busboom <mbusb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jim, for the input.
>>> 
>>> I recently purchased Writer but hadn’t started using it. Based on my 
>>> negative experience with AccessNote, I wish that I had started using Writer 
>>> earlier. I am usually reluctant to criticize an app in a public forum, 
>>> preferring instead to first see if the problem isn’t at my end, i.e. that I 
>>> am missing something basic.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, thanks for the tip about using Writer.  I’ll start using it today.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22,Jan,2016, at 23:07, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Mike!
>>>> I don't know about the app you mentioned but if it doesn't work, give 
>>>> "writer" from voice dream a try.  Its a cool accessible app.
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Mike Busboom <mbusb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The American Foundation for the Blind created a simple wordprocessing 
>>>>> program called AccessNote, and this is the app to which my subject line 
>>>>> is referring.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yesterday, I spent several hours taking some notes on a book I was 
>>>>> reading, and to do this, I used AccessNote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unfortunately, I lost all of my work and can’t figure out how this 
>>>>> happened.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I read the manual a couple of times, but I never encountered a section 
>>>>> where saving files is discussed.  In the past, I have “saved” files by 
>>>>> renaming my title.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So here are my questions:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. How does one go about saving files.  In order to forestall a similar 
>>>>> frustration in the future, I’d like to be able to save my work every ten 
>>>>> minutes or so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2.  Is there any way to recover “lost” files?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
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Re: Clean Install or Not

[Basioli George]

i do clean installs and then backup from my time machine and v m fusion works 
just fine after the restore from a backup after the clean install.
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I always get nervous when I do a clean install but I have a great deal more 
> loaded now than a year ago. But I will do the same as before and make a plan 
> and list all the honey dews.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/21/2016 10:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Clean install should be no problem.  Not sure the VM ware question.  You 
>> could restore from time machine or do what I did which was just install the 
>> software and copy over the VM.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:24 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I am not sure I am up to doing a clean install. Anyone who upgraded from 
>>> Yosemite, were there any issues?
>>> 
>>>   If I do a clean install, how best to reinstall VMware?
>>> 
>>>   Looking forward to the feedback.
>>> 
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Re: Restoring a backup gone horribly wrong.

[Basioli George]

just so you know it does not put your apps back on the device. it sees howmany 
you have backed up and their names and when your all backed up then your device 
redownloads the apps to the device.  i have over 800 and it takes several hours 
sometimes.
> On Jan 16, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone on I O S ever experienced this?
>  
> I had an issue with my phone this morning.  I don't know what it thought it's 
> problem was, but the short version of the story is, I had to restore the dad 
> blamed thing to factory settings.
>  
> I had a backup which I'd made in ITunes.  I tried restoring from that backup, 
> and what a disaster!  Out of all 70 something odd apps, I think only about 20 
> to 25 of them came down, none of my e-mail accounts were configured like 
> before, none of my pared bluetooth devices were recognized, therefore making 
> me have to repare all of them again, my Apple Watch thought it was still 
> connected, even though the Watch app on my phone didn't see it, therefore 
> making me also have to reset the watch to default settings in order to get 
> back where I could reconnect the thing.
>  
> Also, on my home screen of the phone, only about 2 of the 6 or 7 folders I'd 
> custom created came down correctly.
>  
> Believe me.  I've restored many times from various backups, and never have I 
> had an issue like this.  Come to think of it, Voiceover didn't even come up 
> after restoring.  I had to use the very little vision I have, put in my 4 
> digit passcode, as my touch ID didn't work until I did so, and only then 
> after putting in the code did Voiceover come up.  I couldn't even tripple 
> click the home key.
>  
> I made absolutely 100% sure that this was the most recent backup, and that 
> all the above things were included in the backup, which they definitely were.
>  
> So, I'm curious if anyone knows what may have happened, and why?
>  
> Chris, who is quite annoyed right about now.  Shrugs!
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Re: Adding items not running to the dock?

[Basioli George]

hi Keath and all;

Keath could you please email me off list at

gbma...@gmail.com 

i really woould like to talk to you about useing v m fusion 8.
i have the app. but wish to understand how to install and set up to it’s 
optimal functions with a iMac and windows 10 please.

thanks

george


> On Jan 14, 2016, at 4:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> The practical thing is, you don't have to have a Finder Window opened with 
> your applications, therefore it's less screen clutter.  Just pop yourself 
> into the dock, open your app of choice, or whatever, and boom.  You're done, 
> nothing in the way.
> 
> And, you're very close.  It's actually command+ctrl+shift+T.  Don't forget 
> that shift key.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Anatoliy Popko" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Adding items not running to the dock?
> 
> 
>> Keith,
>> 
>> Control+Command+t is the shortcut (press when the focus is in Finder on the 
>> application you need).
>> 
>> Sidenote: I also haven't really figured out a place for the Doc in my user 
>> experience. Seems like not much key combinations to save: Command+Shift+a + 
>> first letter navigation or VO+d + first letter navigation.
>> 
>> If anyone has a practical use (not just a habitual user pattern) for the 
>> Doc, please, share. Actually, the same holds true for the Launchpad.
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hinton
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:21
>> To: macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Adding items not running to the dock?
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I'm curious, but how does somebody go about adding an application that might 
>> not currently be running to the dock?
>> 
>> The dock is a feature of OS Ten despite having used OS Ten for over two 
>> years now that I've never really used.
>> Usually, I've always gone in to the applications area and launched an 
>> application with command-O.
>> I'd like to start adding other applications other than Mail, Safari, etc to 
>> the Dock though for faster access.
>> 
>> VMware Fusion is an application that I tend to do serious Windows work in 
>> for quite a lot of things.
>> So, how might I go about adding Fusion to the dock for example for faster 
>> productivity?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Keith
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Re: MS Outlook Question

[Basioli George]

hi Joe,

i am moving from pc to mac and i use outlook for everything on the pc.  could 
you contact me off line on how to set up outlook on my iMac, please.

i have it downloaded and opened the outlook app on the mac.  this is as far as 
i have went.

can i inport my pst file from windows outlook to my mac?

i have a bunch of sub folders that i hope to use already set up on my my mac 
outlook.

thanks



> On Jan 4, 2016, at 22:16 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Hello, I'm an Outlook account running through my native mail app on the Mac. 
> And auto fill works with it by default.
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>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 12:12 AM, denise avant > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> If there is someone who uses MS Outlook on the Mac, can you tell me what I 
>> need to do in order to get outlook to automatically fill  in the e-mail 
>> addresses when I start typing them. I looked under preferences, but did not 
>> notice anything there.
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Basioli George]

hay scott, i pair my platronics you told me to get with my phone and watch 
every day.  the trick is you need a device that can pair to 2 devices at the 
same time like the plantronics and they automatically switch. thus when the 
watch rings if you answer on the watch it will work
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
> bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>> but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
>>> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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