Re: Braille Displays

[David Tanner]

No ST cards will be around for a long time. If you haven’t heard there is now a 
1 TB SSD card think that’ll save a little few documents or so question

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 8

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have one of those. I still think a USB drive is the preferred 
> mechanism for file transfer. Who knows, maybe it’s just a matter of personal 
> preference.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:04 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You can get adaptors that take several SD card sizes at one end, and
>> attach to your computer through a standard USB connector at the other
>> end. Very handy device to have.
>> 
>> Donna Goodin writes:
>>> I hope you're right.  But I'd definitely feel better having USB as an 
>>> option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t think those cards are going to disappear anytime soon. It may not 
>>>> be a full-size SD card. It’s some kind of ST card, and I’m not sure what 
>>>> kind. Certain flavors of SD cards are going to be around for a long time. 
>>>> Look at all the phones that still use them, plus cameras etc.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's very dated tech.  I would be worried that one of these days SD 
>>>>> cards are going to disappear altogether.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Christine Grassman 
>>>>>> <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I move files from my Mac to the SD card. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jason,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I demoed a HandyTech display a long time ago--like around 2007--and 
>>>>>>> strongly disliked the file transfer protocol.  The display had to be 
>>>>>>> connected to the computer, and you used some program under Windows 
>>>>>>> Utilities I think, like maybe VTerm?  It was slow and annoying.  How 
>>>>>>> does one currently move files back and forth between the displays you 
>>>>>>> mention and a Mac or PC?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The other thing I remember is that you couldn't open a file to the 
>>>>>>> place you were when you last closed it.  Every time you opened a file, 
>>>>>>> you were placed at the beginning.  Is that still the case?
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:21 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> How about 14? And maybe even a 12? I think there is a 12. Yes anything
>>>>>>>>> less than 40 is out, even 32.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's the same for me, as I read and edit text extensively. However, if 
>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>> interested in the Active Tactile Control, the Active Braille, and the 
>>>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>>>> Star, are both 40-cell displays.
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Braille Displays

[David Tanner]

Do you still have warranty coverage since the problems with bomb I understand 
that the problems are only in the United States and not in Europe so I am 
wondering if you were still covered for the warranty on your unit question

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 8

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi ET!
> I have the VarioUltra 20.
> Its as Donna says the best display in regards to form factor and the cells 
> and such.
> I haven’t seen the Braille Edge but to me it sounds like you should go for 
> the VarioUltra.
> Another display to concider is the Handytech Basic braille.
> Its only a braille display but its robbust and has very good cells.
> /A
> 
>> 28 apr. 2018 kl. 14:59 skrev Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com>:
>> 
>> Hey ET,
>> 
>> I currently own both those displays--I replaced my Edge with the VU, and was 
>> never able to sell my Edge.
>> 
>> This is a really hard question to answer.  Erik is right, the bankruptcy 
>> issue with Baum has real nightmare potential.  Currently David Bradburn is 
>> providing some repair support, but he's doing it as a side-gig.  The only 
>> tech support is the VU list.  It's a lot of knowledgeable and very helpful 
>> folks, but that's not the same as getting tech support from the company.
>> 
>> That said, the VU is the best display I've ever owned.  The  Braille Edge 
>> frankly doesn't even come close.  I'm not sure what happened with the Edge.  
>> It has lots of coolness potential, but it's like HIMS  started to develop it 
>> and then just stopped.  It has all these function keys, for example, but 
>> most of them don't do much.  The apps are also very limited.  It has a sort 
>> of minimal word processor and file manager, and a calculator, but it's all 
>> kind of like something you'd find on an old flip phone.
>> 
>> The VU has a nice word processor with separate file manager, a PDF reader, 
>> and an Excel spreadsheet viewer.  And as Erik pointed out, can connect to 
>> multiple bluetooth devices.
>> 
>> The VU also has by far the nicer form factor.  It's funny, when the Edge 
>> came out it felt relatively small, but it is very heavy and blocky compared 
>> to the VU, which is small, and light, and sleek.
>> 
>> The VU has a significantly higher learning curve, but I wouldn't imagine 
>> that that would be an issue for you.
>> 
>> One last thing to think about is that with the Edge, you transfer files onto 
>> it with an SD card, which is pretty dated.  With the VU, you can transfer 
>> either via USB drive or you can connect it directly to a PC, and it 
>> functions as a stand-alone drive.  Unfortunately, that feature does not work 
>> on the Mac.
>> 
>> So, that's the sum of my wisdom on the subject.  The VU is by far the better 
>> display, but it depends on whether you want to get involved with the Baum 
>> situation.  Were it me, I'd probably still go for the VU, it's just that 
>> much better.  But I can certainly understand someone not wanting to take 
>> that risk.  If you want to try and track down a VU, I'd suggest joining the 
>> list and asking there.  The URL to subscribe is: 
>> varioultra-reque...@freelists.org.  Put Subscribe in the subject line.  If 
>> you have any other questions, I'm happy to try and answer them.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 5:41 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the opportunity to replace my Braille Edge. Donna, I hope you will 
>>> chime in.
>>> 
>>> I can choose just about anything but will limit my choice to either another 
>>> Edge or the Vario Ultra 40. Given that Baum is in bankruptcy, the question 
>>> is then what about tech support. Is the Vario Ultra still a good bet?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> in the past. What if it were true?
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Re: cost of Active Braille displays?

[David Tanner]

I was not aware of the sale but that is a very good price and you are correct 
it is 40 cells.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 8

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 9:11 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   The Edge is priced at $2,800, on sale now for $2,500.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> On 4/29/2018 6:42 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> OMG!!!  That is seriously expensive.  And for all that money, there is no 
>> internal memory?
>> Just one thing I would correct.  the Braille Edge has forty cells, and i 
>> believe comes in right around $4000.  Also no internal memory, but about 
>> $2500 less than the Active Braille and $2800 less than the Active Star.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 8:07 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These prices are close, but may not be exact list prices.
>>> 
>>> Actileno - $4,000, Active Braille $6,500, Active Star $6,800.
>>> 
>>> Yes, they are expensive, and not the right choice for everyone out there.  
>>> I like my Active Braille, but my employer purchased it.  Not every blind 
>>> person has the opportunity to have a display purchased for them.  But, they 
>>> are an option that people should consider if they can afford it.
>>> 
>>> One thing folks should consider if they are looking at the displays under 
>>> $500 is that they are 20 cells, and in the case of the Orbit they have had 
>>> so many problems with those displays that one really should wait until they 
>>> have done a better job of showing that they can be depended upon before 
>>> they purchase one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
>>> Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:00 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: cost of Active Braille displays?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm curious.  People have been talking about the Active line like they cost 
>>> a small fortune.  Anyone happen to know the pricing?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: cost of Active Braille displays?

[David Tanner]

Thank you for that information. I believe that is the current price now.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 8

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 9:08 PM, alia robinson <ali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> the actilino is $2800  not $4,000
> 
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> OMG!!!  That is seriously expensive.  And for all that money, there is no 
> internal memory?
> 
> Just one thing I would correct.  the Braille Edge has forty cells, and i 
> believe comes in right around $4000.  Also no internal memory, but about 
> $2500 less than the Active Braille and $2800 less than the Active Star.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 8:07 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> These prices are close, but may not be exact list prices.
>> 
>> Actileno - $4,000, Active Braille $6,500, Active Star $6,800. 
>> 
>> Yes, they are expensive, and not the right choice for everyone out there.  I 
>> like my Active Braille, but my employer purchased it.  Not every blind 
>> person has the opportunity to have a display purchased for them.  But, they 
>> are an option that people should consider if they can afford it.
>> 
>> One thing folks should consider if they are looking at the displays under 
>> $500 is that they are 20 cells, and in the case of the Orbit they have had 
>> so many problems with those displays that one really should wait until they 
>> have done a better job of showing that they can be depended upon before they 
>> purchase one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
>> Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:00 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: cost of Active Braille displays?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm curious.  People have been talking about the Active line like they cost 
>> a small fortune.  Anyone happen to know the pricing?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: cost of Active Braille displays?

[David Tanner]

Actually the last time I looked Braille Edge was $2,995.00.
 I know a lot of folks who own Edge and are very happy with it.  it is about 
the best value for its price and features.





David Tanner

>From my iPhone 8

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> OMG!!!  That is seriously expensive.  And for all that money, there is no 
> internal memory?
> 
> Just one thing I would correct.  the Braille Edge has forty cells, and i 
> believe comes in right around $4000.  Also no internal memory, but about 
> $2500 less than the Active Braille and $2800 less than the Active Star.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 8:07 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> These prices are close, but may not be exact list prices.
>> 
>> Actileno - $4,000, Active Braille $6,500, Active Star $6,800. 
>> 
>> Yes, they are expensive, and not the right choice for everyone out there.  I 
>> like my Active Braille, but my employer purchased it.  Not every blind 
>> person has the opportunity to have a display purchased for them.  But, they 
>> are an option that people should consider if they can afford it.
>> 
>> One thing folks should consider if they are looking at the displays under 
>> $500 is that they are 20 cells, and in the case of the Orbit they have had 
>> so many problems with those displays that one really should wait until they 
>> have done a better job of showing that they can be depended upon before they 
>> purchase one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
>> Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:00 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: cost of Active Braille displays?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm curious.  People have been talking about the Active line like they cost 
>> a small fortune.  Anyone happen to know the pricing?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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RE: cost of Active Braille displays?

[David Tanner]

These prices are close, but may not be exact list prices.

Actileno - $4,000, Active Braille $6,500, Active Star $6,800. 

Yes, they are expensive, and not the right choice for everyone out there.  I 
like my Active Braille, but my employer purchased it.  Not every blind person 
has the opportunity to have a display purchased for them.  But, they are an 
option that people should consider if they can afford it.

One thing folks should consider if they are looking at the displays under $500 
is that they are 20 cells, and in the case of the Orbit they have had so many 
problems with those displays that one really should wait until they have done a 
better job of showing that they can be depended upon before they purchase one.





-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: cost of Active Braille displays?

Hi all,

I'm curious.  People have been talking about the Active line like they cost a 
small fortune.  Anyone happen to know the pricing?
Cheers,
Donna

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RE: Braille Displays

[David Tanner]

Well, all I can say is that I am sad that you would rather drop off a 
mailinglist than admit that your information was not correct, and be willing to 
admit that you were wrong.  Obviously you operate more on what you want to 
believe about blindness products than on facts.  That is really sad given that 
I believe you worked in a position with a university student disabilities 
office prior to your retirement.




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 7:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Displays

Well, as a not assistive technology specialist, excuse me for posting. I will 
be on subscribing because of people like you.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 5:41 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but as an assistive technology specialist who has been in this field 
> for over 30 years I have seen so many blind folks lead down the road to 
> purchase a Braille product that was not what they really needed because 
> people who didn't know what they were talking about gave them information 
> that was not correct.  That isn't fair to that individual, and when I see 
> statements made that are completely untrue I will continue to say so.
> 
> I am not completely opposed to Focus Braille displays, even though my 
> experience with them is that they are cheaply made, and their Braille cells 
> are far inferior to those of a majority of Braille displays on the market 
> today.
> 
> For the price a person would do much better with a Hims Braille Edge for 
> almost the same price as a Focus Braille Blue 40, and have note taking 
> features that the Focus does not have.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 7:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Displays
> 
> David, please calm down. I said it was all from memory. So just get off your 
> high horse. For once. I did look up the current information on the hymns site 
> about the active braille etc. It’s very expensive for what it is. If you have 
> the big bucks, go for it. If you’re like most of us, well you can dream.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 5:23 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am sorry, but I cannot believe that Earle would have ever said such a 
>> thing.  I know Earle very well, and actually talked to him earlier today.  
>> We both live in the twin cities and have worked together on projects for 
>> many years.  I also own a Active Braille which I have used on my computer at 
>> work for five years, and have recommended purchase of a number of Active 
>> Braille and Active Star displays from Earle's company for many years, the 
>> latest being this fall.
>> 
>> The Active Braille, Active Star and Actileno have worked with the iPhone 
>> since as early as 2011 when I actually got my Active Braille at work.  
>> 
>> I am not sure where you would have gotten this information, but it is 
>> completely incorrect.  Please check your facts before you make statements 
>> like this about products you have not owned or never used.  It is not fair 
>> to the company and their excellent products, and even more unfair to hand 
>> out false information to blind people looking for a good Braille display.
>> 
>> Frankly, I would rate my Active Braill as at least 50 times better made, and 
>> with far more features than any Focus Braille display you will find 
>> anywhere.  And, remember that Active Braille displays line of displays all 
>> have the ability to do note taking on them, but you won't find any Focus 
>> that has note taking, or nearly as well made Braille cells.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 2:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille Displays
>> 
>> I would actually be interested in hearing more about that with the active 
>> braille devices. I was under the very strong impression, based on interviews 
>> I had heard with Earl Harrison, and I think somethings I have seen written 
>> elsewhere, that it did not work with iPhones or Macs. Only with a special 
>> software.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:20 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> &l

RE: Braille Displays

[David Tanner]

Sorry, but as an assistive technology specialist who has been in this field for 
over 30 years I have seen so many blind folks lead down the road to purchase a 
Braille product that was not what they really needed because people who didn't 
know what they were talking about gave them information that was not correct.  
That isn't fair to that individual, and when I see statements made that are 
completely untrue I will continue to say so.

I am not completely opposed to Focus Braille displays, even though my 
experience with them is that they are cheaply made, and their Braille cells are 
far inferior to those of a majority of Braille displays on the market today.

For the price a person would do much better with a Hims Braille Edge for almost 
the same price as a Focus Braille Blue 40, and have note taking features that 
the Focus does not have.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Displays

David, please calm down. I said it was all from memory. So just get off your 
high horse. For once. I did look up the current information on the hymns site 
about the active braille etc. It’s very expensive for what it is. If you have 
the big bucks, go for it. If you’re like most of us, well you can dream.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 5:23 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am sorry, but I cannot believe that Earle would have ever said such a 
> thing.  I know Earle very well, and actually talked to him earlier today.  We 
> both live in the twin cities and have worked together on projects for many 
> years.  I also own a Active Braille which I have used on my computer at work 
> for five years, and have recommended purchase of a number of Active Braille 
> and Active Star displays from Earle's company for many years, the latest 
> being this fall.
> 
> The Active Braille, Active Star and Actileno have worked with the iPhone 
> since as early as 2011 when I actually got my Active Braille at work.  
> 
> I am not sure where you would have gotten this information, but it is 
> completely incorrect.  Please check your facts before you make statements 
> like this about products you have not owned or never used.  It is not fair to 
> the company and their excellent products, and even more unfair to hand out 
> false information to blind people looking for a good Braille display.
> 
> Frankly, I would rate my Active Braill as at least 50 times better made, and 
> with far more features than any Focus Braille display you will find anywhere. 
>  And, remember that Active Braille displays line of displays all have the 
> ability to do note taking on them, but you won't find any Focus that has note 
> taking, or nearly as well made Braille cells.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Displays
> 
> I would actually be interested in hearing more about that with the active 
> braille devices. I was under the very strong impression, based on interviews 
> I had heard with Earl Harrison, and I think somethings I have seen written 
> elsewhere, that it did not work with iPhones or Macs. Only with a special 
> software.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:20 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> You know, I've always thought that autoscroll sounded cool, but have 
>>> never gotten used to using it.  It always seems like it either 
>>> scrolls too fast, or I end up sitting there waiting for it to scroll.
>> 
>> 
>> The advantage of the Active Tactile Control in some HandyTech 
>> displays is that it senses the location of your fingers, so the 
>> scrolling isn't based on a timer.
>> 
>> It's interesting to note from this discussion that it reportedly 
>> works on Apple devices.
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RE: Braille Displays

[David Tanner]

I am sorry, but I cannot believe that Earle would have ever said such a thing.  
I know Earle very well, and actually talked to him earlier today.  We both live 
in the twin cities and have worked together on projects for many years.  I also 
own a Active Braille which I have used on my computer at work for five years, 
and have recommended purchase of a number of Active Braille and Active Star 
displays from Earle's company for many years, the latest being this fall.

The Active Braille, Active Star and Actileno have worked with the iPhone since 
as early as 2011 when I actually got my Active Braille at work.  

I am not sure where you would have gotten this information, but it is 
completely incorrect.  Please check your facts before you make statements like 
this about products you have not owned or never used.  It is not fair to the 
company and their excellent products, and even more unfair to hand out false 
information to blind people looking for a good Braille display.

Frankly, I would rate my Active Braill as at least 50 times better made, and 
with far more features than any Focus Braille display you will find anywhere.  
And, remember that Active Braille displays line of displays all have the 
ability to do note taking on them, but you won't find any Focus that has note 
taking, or nearly as well made Braille cells.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Displays

I would actually be interested in hearing more about that with the active 
braille devices. I was under the very strong impression, based on interviews I 
had heard with Earl Harrison, and I think somethings I have seen written 
elsewhere, that it did not work with iPhones or Macs. Only with a special 
software.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:20 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> You know, I've always thought that autoscroll sounded cool, but have 
>> never gotten used to using it.  It always seems like it either 
>> scrolls too fast, or I end up sitting there waiting for it to scroll.
> 
> 
> The advantage of the Active Tactile Control in some HandyTech displays 
> is that it senses the location of your fingers, so the scrolling isn't 
> based on a timer.
> 
> It's interesting to note from this discussion that it reportedly works 
> on Apple devices.
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RE: My Experiences with Directv Now

[David Tanner]

It is another name used by Comcast for a lot of their internet products.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now

 

Haven’t heard of Xfinity. Thanks!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
  

 

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 > On 
Behalf Of david.tanner...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now

 

In case you haven’t tried it yet, the Xfinity Stream TV app for both Android 
and iOS are both excellent, very accessible, and do have descriptive video  
that works very well, and is very easy to setup in the app.

 

 

 

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 > On 
Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now

 

We don’t have Comcast downl here. So far, I’m happy with Directv Now. I’ll let 
everyone know what I think of the others as I try them.

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
  

 

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 > On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: My Experiences with Directv Now

 

Well, I gave up on the cord cutting and went with Comcast voice guidance. They 
have a voice guidance system, much like a screen reader, that works great and 
allows me to do everything I need to do. Yes, I’m paying the price for it, but 
good things are worth paying for. Good luck with sling and all the other 
services, maybe one day I’ll join you.

Sent from my IPhone

 


On Mar 10, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:

Hi all:

I’ve had Directv Now for about two weeks. The service is 90% usable.

You will want to use it on an Apple TV with the remote set to direct touch. 
While playing a show, you can swipe across the remote to channel surf. You can 
search for content. You can view all networks via the guide. It is easy to mark 
and unmark channels as favorites, as well as to view only favorite channels.

With the iOS app, you can search for content. You can add shows to watch list. 
You cannot view network list, even in the guide. You cannot add channels to 
favorites. I have the $35 a month plan, with promotional price for $10 a month. 
They also have free Apple tv promotion for prepaying for service. I plan on 
trying the others as a free trial and then deciding which I want to keep.

 

 

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Re: Accessibility/usability of the DirecTV now app for Apple TV fourth GEN?

[David Tanner]

To select a network I go to the search box and it’s put in the name of the 
network and hit search button and it comes back with a list of everything on 
that network and then I can pick what I want if you’re looking for a networks 
such as ABC NBC or CBS one of those yet the end of the list it will say 
channels and it will list the local channel for that network and you just pick 
that network just double tap on that network if you’re if you want or you can 
do the video select to select that and that channel will come up

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Mar 5, 2018, at 8:43 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> How are you getting your network lists and adding stations to favorites?
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of David Tanner
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 4:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Accessibility/usability of the DirecTV now app for Apple TV 
> fourth GEN?
> 
> I forgot to mention in the earlier message that using DIRECTV NOW on iPhone 
> even the iPhone ate is working very nicely really like it.
> 
> David Tanner
> 
> From my iPhone 7
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Like Sarah, I’m cutting the cord and looking for a decent streaming package. 
>> Sling TV looked good or originally, but the accessibility of the app stinks. 
>> Now, DirecTV also looks quite good but I can’t really test out the app until 
>> I’ve signed up. Anybody have experience navigating the DirecTV now app? Is 
>> it at least 80% usable for us? Any input would be greatly appreciated before 
>> I take the plunge. Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Accessibility/usability of the DirecTV now app for Apple TV fourth GEN?

[David Tanner]

I forgot to mention in the earlier message that using DIRECTV NOW on iPhone 
even the iPhone ate is working very nicely really like it.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Mar 5, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Like Sarah, I’m cutting the cord and looking for a decent streaming package. 
> Sling TV looked good or originally, but the accessibility of the app stinks. 
> Now, DirecTV also looks quite good but I can’t really test out the app until 
> I’ve signed up. Anybody have experience navigating the DirecTV now app? Is it 
> at least 80% usable for us? Any input would be greatly appreciated before I 
> take the plunge. Thanks
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Re: Accessibility/usability of the DirecTV now app for Apple TV fourth GEN?

[David Tanner]

You should find it pretty good it takes a little getting used to but I have 
found if you use the search you can use it fine about anything you want fairly 
easily.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

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> 
> Like Sarah, I’m cutting the cord and looking for a decent streaming package. 
> Sling TV looked good or originally, but the accessibility of the app stinks. 
> Now, DirecTV also looks quite good but I can’t really test out the app until 
> I’ve signed up. Anybody have experience navigating the DirecTV now app? Is it 
> at least 80% usable for us? Any input would be greatly appreciated before I 
> take the plunge. Thanks
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RE: google home with Ios or mac voices?

[David Tanner]

Google home has its' own voice.  However, if you are connecting an iPhone to
your Google home via Bluetooth you will hear whatever voice you are using on
the iPhone on your Google Home.  

The point being that when you are using the Google assistant the voice will
be hearing is the Google Assistant voice and not one of the iPhone voices.
It needs to be said that the Google Assistant is a very good voice and quite
easy to understand.  So, I seriously doubt that you will be unhappy with the
Google Assistant voice when you are using it.  By the way, when you are
using the Google Assistant on your iPhone you will be hearing one of the
Google Assistant voices, not an iPhone voice.



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: list voiceover 
Subject: google home with Ios or mac voices?

Hi all,
I am considering getting google home which a local service suggests can
access their own home monitoring options.
I asked about the google home voices on the google access list, and not
getting an answer am asking a comparative question here.
Assuming that google home works with the IPhone, and or the Mac would apple
voices be  used for the service?
Although in the early stages of testing I have one, Daniel, on my IPhone 5
that may be safe for my use.
Oh and is he a recent macos voice too?
Thanks,
Karen


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RE: Is Anyone Using the Free Version of either Pandora or Google Play Music for iOS?

[David Tanner]

You should be able to do that on Pandora, but I am not sure that you can on 
Google Play unless you have a paid subscription.


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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Anyone Using the Free Version of either Pandora or Google Play 
Music for iOS?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know I said that I had no plans to subscribe to Apple Music, anytime 
soon but, well, let's just say I'm reconsidering this position.  

The primary reason why I didn't feel the need to subscribe to a music service 
is because, once upon a time, one could create custom radio stations based on 
artists, genres, a song title, etc, in iTunes.  Apparently, Apple has now 
restricted this functionality to only Apple Music subscribers.
(smart).

Before I take the subscription plunge, I would like to consider free 
alternatives if for no other reason but that I know that I will use the custom 
selection feature rarely.

So, is anyone using either the free version of either Pandora or Google Play 
Music for iOS?  If so, is it possible to create custom stations based on 
selected criteria?  

I'm probably going to end up subscribing to Apple Music but wanted to at least 
put this question out there, in the Ether (smile).

All replies greatly appreciated.

By the way, I'm still loving my HomePod.

Went over to a friend's house today to check out the Amazon Echo.  Wow!  I was 
extremely impressed.  

I think I'm going to pick up an Echo Dot and use it at least until my beloved 
Siri can catch up, as I truly think she will, in time-a very, very long, long 
time perhaps, (big smile).  Really enjoyed the audio games that Echo offers.

The way I see it, I will use HomePod for audio playback and personal contact 
features, as they become available, and Echo Dot for fun.  

Mark


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Re: mac partition question

[David Tanner]

Please note correction of spelling of question. It’s been spelled wrong now for 
way too long.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> So you used a mac with possibly mt lion or mavericks
> Yes the disk utility has changed since then.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The wolf
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2018 9:28 PM
> To: MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn
> 
> correction
> 
> when I used a mac last it was back when mountain lion was out it was around 
> 2012 or there abouts so I have been out of the mac sceen so to speak for 
> about 4 or 5 years
> 
>> On 1/16/2018 1:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> the partition for recovery is not large, approx. 1 gig if that.
>> But the best way to see this is to have a USB bootable installer and start 
>> the machine up on to that then view disk utility and you will see everything.
>> 
>>  Note disk utility in high sierra sierra and elcapitan are not great for 
>> voiceover usage.
>> 
>>  Still workable if you take the time to learn it.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The wolf
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2018 7:45 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn
>> 
>> yes of course
>> how big should the recovery partition be?
>> surely not 127 gigs?
>> 
>>> On 1/13/2018 11:01 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:
>>> Have you taken the recovery partition into account?
>>> Marshall
>>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:13 PM, The wolf <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello yes I am using High Sierra
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/12/2018 10:01 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>> You are running High Sierra? If the drive is not an SSD then you are 
>>>>> probably using macOS extended. Mine is formatted to APFS so the partition 
>>>>> tab is different. So I am not sure what you should look for.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 7:07 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>>>>> will give that a shot
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> is there anything that I should be looking out for?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 8:01 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>> Off list. Since I have not had this problem, perchance you can go 
>>>>>>> into the partition tab and see if you can address this there. Just a 
>>>>>>> guess that you somehow "lost" 125gigs in there.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
>>>>>>> Contact
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 5:07 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>>>>>>> disk aid was one of the verry first things that I tried running
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 6:03 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Too many things going on over here. So you are missing 125g. Have 
>>>>>>>>> you run First Aid?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
>>>>>>

Re: mac partition question

[David Tanner]

It’s also a very good idea to back up that partition in case it would get lost 
or corrupted.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 2:17 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> the partition for recovery is not large, approx. 1 gig if that.
> But the best way to see this is to have a USB bootable installer and start 
> the machine up on to that then view disk utility and you will see everything.
> 
> Note disk utility in high sierra sierra and elcapitan are not great for 
> voiceover usage.
> 
> Still workable if you take the time to learn it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The wolf
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2018 7:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn
> 
> yes of course
> how big should the recovery partition be?
> surely not 127 gigs?
> 
>> On 1/13/2018 11:01 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:
>> Have you taken the recovery partition into account?
>> Marshall
>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:13 PM, The wolf <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello yes I am using High Sierra
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1/12/2018 10:01 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>You are running High Sierra? If the drive is not an SSD then you are 
>>>> probably using macOS extended. Mine is formatted to APFS so the partition 
>>>> tab is different. So I am not sure what you should look for.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/12/2018 7:07 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>>>> will give that a shot
>>>>> 
>>>>> is there anything that I should be looking out for?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 8:01 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>Off list. Since I have not had this problem, perchance you can go 
>>>>>> into the partition tab and see if you can address this there. Just a 
>>>>>> guess that you somehow "lost" 125gigs in there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
>>>>>> Contact
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 5:07 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>>>>>> disk aid was one of the verry first things that I tried running
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 6:03 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>>>Too many things going on over here. So you are missing 125g. Have 
>>>>>>>> you run First Aid?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
>>>>>>>> Contact
>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 4:56 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 250 gb capasity
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> minus 125 gigs for the intire mac partition=
>>>>>>>>> 125 gigs
>>>>>>>>> there is still
>>>>>>>>> 125 gigs that should be free
>>>>>>>>> is thismaking any sense?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2018 5:46 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hank,
>>>>>>>>>>Go to Finder, do a command shift c to bring up the drives, do a 
>>>>>>>>>> command i on the drive and tell me what the 3 numbers are. Capacity, 
>>>>>>>>>&

Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

[David Tanner]

Could someone please repeat the address for where to get the tutorial I missed 
it somewhere along the line and have not been able to go back and find it thank 
you.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 1:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> One more response, Simon,
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> ...
> 
>> And I haven't yet seen bootcamp allow you to use  it twice in setting up 
>> systems
> 
> If you mean don't use the same USB stick a second time, this is correct.
> 
> It claims to format the stick, but it seems to only format unused space,
> thus eventually overfilling the medium.
> 
> I've confirmed this by examing file contents using my Linux computer.
> 
> I now routinely repartition and reformat on the Linux cli -- takes not
> even 30 seconds to do all that.
> 
> Janina
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RE: direct TV now updated

[David Tanner]

When it mutes all it is actually doing is turning your volume all the way down. 
 You can easily solve that by turning up the volume on your phone with the 
volume buttons on your phone.  Once you do that then go into settings in the 
app and close to the top of the settings you will find the choice for muting at 
startup of the app.  Just double tap and the check mark goes away and it will 
no longer mute the sound when you start up the app.





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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brent Harding
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: direct TV now updated

I thought about maybe trying it. How would one get around the automatic muting 
thing so I don't end up requiring a facotry reset of my iPhone to get it going 
with speech again, that is, if one doesn't have sighted people around to help?

- Original Message -
From: "Kliphton Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 7:13 AM
Subject: direct TV now updated


> Okay, so I have tried this app on appleTV, iPad mini, and iPhone.  I would 
> have to say the iPhone was the best experience.  Mainly because everything 
> is grouped together, and easy to get too.  1st off, you must change some 
> settings.  turn auto play off, next episode automatically starting off, 
> and mute sound when app starts should be off.  Once you do this, there are 
> some tabs at the bottom.  Home, shows, movies, and networks.  It works 
> great, you go into movies, and it lists all movies from your available 
> channels, gives you the year the movie was released, and a description of 
> it. You can even back out and go by TV show, or network.  And the best 
> part about it is, if you set your favorites on 1 device, they carry over 
> to any device you sign into.  I didn’t like the experience on iPad mini to 
> much, the split screen just confused me, but I don’t use the iPad mini 
> every day, and someone who does may understand the layout better.  I have 
> already posted about appleTV experience, so won’t repeat it here.  All in 
> all, the experience is fine if you have a little patients.  I am not 
> disappointed.  SlingTV has some thinking to do, because both there 
> packages together, is 45 bucks, and only 67 channels, with no HBO or Cina 
> max.  Plus there feed is choppy at best.  I watched direct TV now on 2 
> devices at the same time, and it never buffered.  Watched a NBA game on 
> ESPN, and a movie on lifetime at the same time for almost 2 hours.  HTH.
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[David Tanner]

Well look at it this way, if looking at the front if your phone so the camera 
can see your face it you're ugly enough to break the phone maybe you should get 
rid of it anyway. Smile

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Kawal,
> 
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean,
> If you hold the phone with the front of it pointing at your face then the 
> face recognition would see your face 
> like hold the phone with the screen looking at you, surely you can do that 
> with some success?
> 
> As for voiceover reacting with face recognition 
> Well that's a good one,
> I'm guessing it will not do much other than alert you if the phone is 
> unlocked by talking, or say something like 
> Recognition not possible, 
> Similar to what the phone does already if your finger print isn't picked up.
> 
> If your really unlucky or it's set up well then it could make the comment,
> Your to ugly to use this device, please take it back to the store you got it 
> from!
> 
> Or, 
> You don't own this phone, give it back or I'll scream! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2017 9:02 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
>>> Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
>>> technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to worry 
>>> about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will 
>>> be. You will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
>>> Star Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
>>> should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
>>> few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
>>> glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
>>> genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
>>> spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
>>> left eye

Re: Down grading my I cloud storage.

[David Tanner]

I just did the thing same thing about a week it's a little confusing actually 
it's not as difficult as it looks it just looks difficult actually is soon as 
you double tap on the 58 changes and all you have to say is that you're doing 
but you don't realize that until you do it. Hope that helps schedules

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I am having to change my I Cloud storage due to some change of circumstances 
> and as I tried to down grade my storage, it was as if Apple would not let me 
> do it.  At the present time I wanted to change from a 200 megabytes to a 50 
> megabytes and when I clicked on the option for that, it was with some 
> difficulty that I managed to do it at last.  I don't know why it was such a 
> struggle to down grade my I Cloud storage.  Anyone else have that problem?
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: brf files

[David Tanner]

I did try an app called Voice braille and hit it fairly good but I'm not sure 
where they're still on the App Store or not.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, the BARD app won't read BRF files via VoiceOver only with a 
> braille display, and then, I think, only BARD BRF files.  A few years ago, 
> there was an app in the app store that would read BRF files.  I don't 
> remember what it was called, and I don't think it is there any more. I never 
> tried it, but I got the impression from reading posts about it that   it 
> didn't work very well, and did not stay around very long. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:40 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>  A couple possibilities which I have not tried. The Bard Mobile app or 
> AccessNote.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/20/2017 2:15 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> What is the best app for reading brf files on the iPhone?
>> Can I put these files into dropbox and load them into an app?
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
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Re: DocuscanPlus

[David Tanner]

You can scan a PDF document and recognize it but you can't scan a document and 
turn it into a PDF with doc you scan plus

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On May 17, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> Hi guys:
> Has anyone used DocuScanPlus? I have a Mac and a Windows machine and am
> looking for a scanning solution to use with my HP 6100 all-in-one
> printer/scanner/fax machine. The HP machine is wireless. Would This program
> work with it? Can you save files in PDF format? What about filling out forms
> you have scanned in?
> The HP software with this printer doesn't make accessible PDF files, and if
> I put the pages in the document feeder wrong, I have no way of knowing.
> Regards,
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[David Tanner]

There is a built in screen reader in this product.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 9:51 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   OK. So how are you guys using the Fire Stick? I can’t find any information 
> about its accessibility and how one uses it as a totally blind person. If you 
> are doing so, please contact me off list.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The Fire TV has a better remote, better WiFi interface, faster processor, 
>> and a lot more snap to the interface from a user of TTS perspective.  I’m 
>> also not sure if the stick provides 4K video, the Fire TV does.  Both are 
>> good products don’t get me wrong I’m just a bigger fan of the Fire TV itself 
>> and use it more.
>>  Yes, Netflix and Hulu and the others have very good accessibility now 
>> including the sign in process.  The registering with providers for content 
>> like CBS and such is also more accessible on the Fire TV than Apple TV 
>> lately.  I think the cost between Fire TV and Apple TV is comparable, about 
>> twice the stick.
>> 
>> Devices aside on the amazon side, I think the content on Amazon is far 
>> better than Apple.  Sure you have iTunes on the Apple and can buy a lot of 
>> good content but that prime subscription sure includes a lot of top shelf 
>> stuff.  Amazon also has a clever way of releasing pilots and new content.  
>> What would have been ideal is if Amazon had made an app for Apple TV to 
>> stream prime content but we know the politics there.  As far as I know 
>> that’s not likely but this may have changed I’m not sure.  I like the button 
>> style of the amazon remote better than the Apple touch remote as well but 
>> that’s a personal preference thing, others probably disagree with me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> I don't see the use case for a blind person with a Fire TV versus the 
>>> stick. I have a stick, the newer generation. It seems quite responsive. 
>>> Admittedly, I don't have the Fire TV to compare it with. But I just don't 
>>> see the point, unless money is no object and you don't mind spending more. 
>>> Also, it's worth noting with respect to the stick and the AppleTV, that the 
>>> problem both devices have is with third-party apps not being accessible. 
>>> There are still bunches of those that are not accessible with a stick, just 
>>> as there are on the Apple TV apps that are not accessible. When Apple 
>>> change the format and went to apps, it seems to me they lost control over 
>>> their excess ability. So now it's up to the app developers, and many of 
>>> them screw up. Speaking of excess ability, has the Netflix sign in process 
>>> finally become accessible on the fire tv or stick? I know when I signed in 
>>> with mine, I had to have help from a sighted person. Not so with the Apple 
>>> TV.
>>> Of course, I'm sure that is on Netflix  and, not Amazons. But it does 
>>> illustrate the problem. We are so dependent on third-party apps with regard 
>>> to whether these devices are really useful and accessible or not.
>>> Sent from my  iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:55 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You would want a Fire TV in my opinion, not a fire stick.  The stick is a 
>>>> bit less powered and while a good product the Fire TV is a very very good 
>>>> product.  Accessibility has been continuously improved and the access to 
>>>> prime video content is fantastic.  The stick has a slower processor, less 
>>>> memory and is a bit different design.
>>>>  The Apple TV to me is a let down, yet another thing Apple is failing at 
>>>> but more specifically when it comes to accessibility.  The product is OK 
>>>> but it’s getting less and less accessible as time passes.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Apple watch tutorials

[David Tanner]

The simple answer is no Apple Watch does not work with braille displays.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 S

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does Braille display work w/ Apple Watch?
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:25 PM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> Hi there Maurice,
>> 
>> thanks for those details,
>> it is interesting to hear how someone in the deaf blind world uses one of 
>> the apple watchs,
>>  very interesting.
>> 
>> I also find it interesting to see your statement about using dragon for the 
>> mac to create the email,
>> It would appear that dragon on the mac is very good quality and well worth 
>> looking at as a voice recognition software.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of maurice.mines
>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 9:49 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple watch tutorials
>> 
>> Good afternoon everyone, I couldn’t resist. I have had the Apple Watch for 
>> about a month now. And I am positively impressed. So far, I’ve not had too 
>> many issues. It is a tiny bit different as a person who was learning how to 
>> be deaf blind. In case you’re wondering, let me explain. I am currently a 
>> student at the Helen Keller national Center for deaf and blind used in 
>> adults. It the main reason why I wound up buying the watch, is because my 
>> iPhone had to be turned into a communications device. Thanks similar to an 
>> iPad. So this created a bit of a challenge or friends, family, etc. to reach 
>> me. Basically what happens now is while staff are using my phone to contact 
>> me at least now I get a tactile reminder that there is an email, text 
>> message, or other communication from the above-mentioned groups that is 
>> waiting for me directly. The other benefit for me so far has been that when 
>> I set an alarm, say wake up each morning. I can set it on the launch it 
>> vibrates the same for the most part as the phone does. The added benefit is 
>> that the phone can stay where it normally stays in order to charge at night. 
>> I am such a light sleeper, that the watch vibrations generally do wake me up 
>> each morning. I’ve also been able to start it to tactfully remind me that it 
>> is the end of the class day should I have a class where I am essentially 
>> doing an independent study session. I’ve also successfully used at the time 
>> other things, such as laundry, as well as when I need to be at something 
>> that essence an activity that fits into class time precisely.
>> 
>> I hope my comments help anyone who may be reading this conversation, and 
>> wonders if the watch is right for them. I must stress however, that the 
>> watch may not be for everybody. I must admit that when I first purchased it, 
>> I thought okay I’m here to learn new things, let’s see if this is a 
>> beneficial use of the amount of money that it cost to purchase the watch.
>> 
>> Sincerely  maurice mines.
>> Note the above text has been dictated to the computer by means of Dragon 6.1 
>> for Mac OSx Sierra. If there are any errors in the text of my comments 
>> above, they may be the result of my other software, or the dictation 
>> process. If there’s something that I’ve written that you truly didn’t 
>> understand, please ask me, I will do my very best to clear up any 
>> misunderstandings.
>> > On Jan 2, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank your for your helpful replies.  I’ll take another look at the 
>> > applevis info now that I know it is still mostly applicable.
>> >
>> > Chris
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Re: direct TV now, live chat, and 72 hour rewind option

[David Tanner]

Does anyone know how to get access to your local channels in the area where you 
live using DIRECTV NOW question

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 S

On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:

>> So, got the live chat to work on the direct TV now support page.  The rep 
>> told me that they didn’t know how to get voiceover to work with there app, 
>> and I told them there was an entire section specifically for this.  The rep 
>> flat out ignored that comment.  Also said there is no phone number, they are 
>> only a streaming service, and live chat is the only way to talk to them.  He 
>> did give me a link to access the channel lineups, and told me they would 
>> attempt to fix the voiceover issues in the future.  Like I have stated 
>> before, the app is very usable, once you get use to it.  On another note, 
>> direct TV now app now has a 72 hour rewind option on select channels.  I 
>> know sling TV had this, and it worked well, I just saw this update last 
>> night, or this morning, whatever time you consider night and day, so I 
>> haven’t had a chance to try it out yet.  If anyone wants to see the live 
>> chat conversation let me know, I had the transcript  emailed to me.
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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[David tanner]

At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
that's not a whole lot.

Sent from my iPhone 7

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
> Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
> understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
> another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just 
> store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like long 
> car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a 
> lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my 
> plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
>> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
>> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
>> development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
>> 
>> 
>> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
>> apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the page 
>> "footer area".
>> 
>> 
>> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so it 
>> seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>>> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
>>> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading 
>>> this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from 
>>> marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
>>> directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but 
>>> I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is 
>>> going to be out of date in a year or two.
>>> Dolores
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That 
 is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in 
 what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking 
 about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no 
 one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
> criticizing here. Good call here Chris .
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not 
>> in the blame here.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>> 
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
>> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
>> better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
>> questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
>>> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
>>> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
>>> sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
>>> that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, 
>>> not blaming anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to 
>>> the list overall.
 On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued 
 the iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod 
 touch 6 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing 
 is to call apple itself and ask these question or email apple 
 accessibility and so on.  What do you guys think? I look 

Re: Search tab in iOS app store seems totally busted!

[David tanner]

It's working just fine on my iPhone 7

Sent from my iPhone 7

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Just tried it myself on my iPhone 6+.  It’s a mess alright.  I did a search 
> for “grand clock” and try though I might, I could not make the results come 
> up except by double tapping and holding on the search box.  Then, it only 
> showed me one result that it says is from the app store.  Then, I double 
> tapped on the “view” button just off to the right of it.  Y’all, from the 
> experience I had just now, it would appear that Apple has gone and done two 
> things.
> 
> 1.  Force touch seems to be necessary to get at the results listings.  I say 
> this due to the fact that my iPhone 6+ does not have force touch and 
> therefore it is impossible for me to interact with it.
> 
> 2.  Since the result from the app store bounced over to and opened iTunes, I 
> am forced to come to the conclution that Aple has changed the UI so that the 
> search in the app store no longer is independant of iTunes but is somehow 
> intigrated with it.  Most anoying seems to be that Apple did this without 
> bothering to tell us they were doing it nor offered instructions on how we 
> are supposed to find stuff now.
> 
> Now, I must emphasize that this is how it looks to me at this moment.  I 
> could, of course, be wrong, but, based on this evening’s testing, looks to me 
> like that’s what’s happened.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mind you, guys, that this was a really really big update, and, on top of 
>> that, the IPhone 7 just came out, which means new integrations to the app 
>> store, ITunes, and who knows... probably other API's and things we're not 
>> aware of totally.  Point is, in Apple's defense, maybe they were just having 
>> some issues earlier when I tried.  I'll look again, and see if it's 
>> improved.  If not though, then, this could be a real serious problem!  It 
>> was kind of acting like it does when their servers get overloaded.  Earlier, 
>> when I tried downloading the Keynote app, what for a 92MB file should a 
>> taken about 2 minutes, if even that for me, took about 20.  So, yeah... 
>> something's definitely up, but thats really the best guess I can come up 
>> with.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>  
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: David Chittenden
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 6:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Search tab in iOS app store seems totally busted!
>>> 
>>> I am unable to reproduce your problem. I have two iPhones, an iPhone 5S, 
>>> and an iPhone 6+. I double-tap on the search tab on the bottom of the 
>>> display. I then double-tap on the search field. I then type in my query 
>>> using the onscreen keyboard and the search button is in the lower right 
>>> corner. Or, I use braille screen input and swipe right with two fingers to 
>>> activate search. In both cases, on both iPhones, it just worked right 
>>> before writing this message.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 17/09/2016, at 08:38, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 I to am having an issue with the App Store and search on my new 7 and IOS 
 10, not sure if it is device specific but when I dictate nothing enters in 
 the search box and if I type in what I am looking for VO does not read the 
 results just skips over them to the tabs at the bottom. Looking like a 
 pretty serious issue.
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   What search tab? Just find the search field where its always been 
> located.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/16/2016 11:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> So... When I go, in iOS10 to the app store, then to the search tab, I
>> only some of the time now see my search box at the top of the screen.
>> If I do see it, I double tap.  The keyboard comes up, but if I then
>> flick back up to the text box, it doesn't say is editting.  If I try
>> using Siri to dictate, nothing gets inserted into the box.  If I
>> manually type my query in, it'll then type in the box, but the search
>> button isn't showing at the bottom of the keyboard.  in fact, as soon as
>> I put my finger in the bottom right quadrant of the screen to tap
>> search, the keyboard disappears entirely, and I land on the update tab
>> 

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[David Tanner]

It appears that it usually does tell the side of the street to where you were 
looking for

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 S

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:40 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
> street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies 
> it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
> identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it when 
> possible, I will likely purchase it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
> 
> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on 
> if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
> 
> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
> but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
> 
> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
> this information when possible. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
>> it at that.
>> 
>> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
>> of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
>> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
>> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
>> that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
>> street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them 
>> if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
>> 
>> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
>> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
>> it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies 
>> the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
>> information available to a blind user if possible.
>> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
>> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
>> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, 
>> good O skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking 
>> people in the area.
>> 
>> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
>> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
>> tool, it is another tool.
>> 
>> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
>> O skills without GPS.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>>>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
>>>> street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
>>>>> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>

Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads

[David Tanner]

Well I guess I believe that given the way things are today there are times when 
pain is subscription comes out cheaper than if you went the other way. For 
example with Apple Music if I wasn't paying a preferred subscription and got 
all the music I've gotten from Apple Music I'd be broken whole lot more. Also I 
think I'm getting a pretty good deal with my windows 365 with when I get it and 
the number of devices I can use it on

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 S

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:08 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> One clarification, "leading software" should have been "leasing software". 
> Sometimes my fingers don't go where I tell them :)
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 6/9/16 12:07 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Good points, Chris.
>> 
>> I've long felt that upgrade shouldn't need to be free.  If a developer works 
>> to build new features into their software, they should be able to charge for 
>> them.  Then I as the consumer can decide whether those upgrades matter to me 
>> or not.  If they do I simply pay for the upgrade.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:57 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My only concern is that leading software can lead to some developers 
>>> slacking off if they have their app pretty much working correctly. Back in 
>>> the day people kept upgrading computers and apps because the new ones were 
>>> faster and the apps had lots of new features. At some point the computers 
>>> got fast enough that I'm not really itching for new hardware all that often 
>>> and certain apps have pretty much all the features I care about. Whats an 
>>> app developer to do if I think their existing version works just fine? No 
>>> more revenue. Say they make a word processor and have pretty much got all 
>>> the basics down. I'm not as interested in paying a monthly/annual fee just 
>>> to keep using it as is. Sure it would be nice to have the new xyz feature 
>>> that lets me handle some obscure task easier but, for the most part, I'm 
>>> already set.
>>> 
>>> Maybe it's a generational thing. I like to own my media and not pay a 
>>> monthly fee for streaming and I like to own my apps. I don't mind paying a 
>>> larger fee up front and then decide down the road, when I'm good and ready, 
>>> to pay again because the developer has added enough new things that are 
>>> valuable to me. Actually, there are free apps where I wish I had the option 
>>> to pay and avoid all the in-app purchase/advertising junk.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>>> On 6/9/16 10:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>> It is true that change is a constant, and that we all have to be able to 
>>>> adapt to it.  But that does not mean we should blindly roll over and 
>>>> passively accept whatever changes come our way.  If you don't critically 
>>>> evaluate change and advocate for what you believe is right, you have no 
>>>> one but yourself to blame if you end up with a future that you do not 
>>>> like.  You can't always stop it, but you can at least be a voice at the 
>>>> table.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on 
>>>>> keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. 
>>>>> Everybody needs to adapt.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for 
>>>>>> the users.  In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply 
>>>>>> not purchase.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for 
>>>>>>> Apple) just published this. Link:
>>>>>>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store 
>>>>>>> <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store>
>>>>>>

Re: Typing Program

[David Tanner]

To get the keystroke program you know now I have to go to the main webpage for 
the New Mexico commission for the blind I not sure of the exact web mail 
address but it would be the main web address for the New Mexico commission for 
the blind and take the link from the main page

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 S

> On Apr 25, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Kat DeNicola <waterwogs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. I'm looking for a program on the mac to teach typing. I did a search and 
> found a post about one called Keystroke, but I get a 404 error when I go to 
> the link for it.  Anyone know what happened to it? Or have any ideas for 
> other programs? I tried XType, but either I'm missing something, or it's not 
> accessible anymore because I'm just getting voiceover telling me there are 
> letters with images. Thanks.
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Tanner]

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Adam
> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>  
> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>  
> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
> 
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Tanner]

Thank you very much! Your directions were right on the mark and I now have it 
working great, and even changed the choice for the login screen.  

Your help is greatly appreciated.

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 1.
> 
> Open system preferences.
> 
> 2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
> there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.
> 
> 3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
> options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to 
> select log in options.
> 
> 4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
> administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
> these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
> Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
> check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this 
> change.  To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item 
> which says, "click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be 
> prompted for your Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  
> Now, you can check to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you 
> most likely will want to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:david.tanner...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO 
>> will come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem 
>> turning VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I 
>> shut down the computer, it does not boot up automatically.
>> 
>> Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Adam
>>> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
>>> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>>>  
>>> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
>>> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
>>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
>>> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
>>> 
>>> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
>>> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
>>> This screen doesn't speak.
>>> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
>>> press enter I get the error sound.
>>> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in 
>>> and uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
>>> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
>>> 
>>> 
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>>>  
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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: General List Discussion Policy Update

[David Tanner]

Thank you for your good choice in this matter.

David Tanner, Host
MainMenu - Technology from a blindness perspective!
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org

Treasurer
American Council of the Blind - Minnesota


> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:56 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> You know, one list member wrote to me today saying that it seems as though 
> this list goes from one crisis to another.  When I read this, I couldn’t help 
> but smile as, sometimes, it does appear that way.  
> 
> Well, let’s put this particular crisis to bed, shall we?  
> 
> First, let me personally thank those of you who took the time to send your 
> objections, words of support, or general comments, to me, off-list.
> 
> As so many of us have observed over the years, when it comes to resolving 
> on-list conflicts or even policy, off-list communication, combined with a 
> little courtesy and patience, is very often more effective than on-list 
> knee-jerk reactions.
> 
> Second, like many of you, Cara and I have been members of this particular 
> community for many years and have found it to be a very warm, dynamic and 
> informative community.  
> 
> As is the case with any community, conflicts and differences of opinion do 
> occur and during such instances, it is important to remember that we are a 
> virtual family and that we walk the proverbial accessibility path together.
> 
> As with any well functioning forum, there must be policy to guide the flow of 
> communication and to preserve the integrity of the environment while 
> respecting and encouraging individual input to the extent that such input 
> does not attack, harass, or in any way cause another member to feel devalued.
> 
> That’s asking quite a lot of a policy and to put it bluntly, such a policy is 
> never going to please everyone all of the time.  All those of us, entrusted 
> with enacting, or in some instances, enforcing policy can do is to ask that 
> the members of the family remember that we’re all in this together.
> 
> Third, while both Cara and I have always considered Mac Visionaries to be a 
> Mac OSX-centric forum, with discussions including iOS, Windows, Linux, etc as 
> they relate to the Mac, as many of you have pointed out, the lines between 
> OSX and iOS have begun to blur.  Therefore, all non-beta Apple-related 
> discussions are welcomed on-list.  This is now the current policy however I 
> ask you to keep in mind that all policies are subject to change, from 
> time-to-time.
> 
> Fourth, I ask that you keep in mind that this can sometimes be a very high 
> traffic list and that part of the list management responsibility includes 
> insuring that the list traffic moves smoothly.  To that end, we may ask that 
> a topic either be taken back, on-topic, or closed.  Please respect that 
> request and if you have any objections, write to us off-list.
> 
> Finally, let me say that it is a privilege to be a member of this family and 
> that I look forward to walking this path with you far into the future.
> 
> Most Sincerely,
> 
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[David tanner]

Sorry I don't know your answers for the iOS question because I just got it 
installment haven't done that much with it yet. However El Capitan is set to 
release on 30 September.

Sent from my iPod

> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have and 
> it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed please?  
> Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, is that 
> fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan will be 
> released as I don't know.
> 
> I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions on 
> here now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

[David Tanner]

Perhaps the AppleVis list might be more open to discussion of all Apple 
products.

Clearly the mod of this list is determined to rid the list of iOS altogether. 

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd just like to add my +1 here.  these products are so interconnected that 
> to limit the list in that way would make for a much less useful list.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I respectfully disagree.  It has been stated in the past that MacVisionaries 
>> is an "Everything Apple" list where we can discuss just that, MacOS, iOS, 
>> Apple hardware etc.  As the line between the MacOS, the iOS and its related 
>> hardware continually fades, I feel that it is very beneficial to be able to 
>> discuss a wider range of Apple hardware/software as it relates to 
>> accessibility on this list.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 02:15, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

[David Tanner]

That's one of the things I like about this list. There's always someone with a 
hateful comment to make towards other users of the list. Maybe you should be 
disciplined.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:02 AM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok why don't you all sent this to him personally he gave you his email so we 
> do not have to read all this crap.  And yes can deleate, but non of you have 
> the respect to change the subject line, and yes I did not so you all who do 
> not change it see this
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 07:46
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Mark,
>Please keep in mind that this list was under moderated for a very 
> long time. Now its being over moderated.
> 
>There is also no published list guidelines. This can make your 
> rulings arbitrary. Not the best course to take.
> 
>Its impossible nowadays to separate OS X from iOS. Let's find middle 
> ground we can live with.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 9/15/2015 1:15 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you for understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Quick and easy way to record on iPhone.

[David Tanner]

I've been using dropbox for several years and it is always worked with the 
current version of iOS and works fine with the current version and Frank works 
very well thank you.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 

> On Sep 7, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, right.  I thought that Dropbox had incorporated this capability.  Last I 
> knew Dropvox didn't work with current versions of IOS?  Is that no longer the 
> case?
> thanks,
> Donna
>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:56 PM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>>  
>> You need to open the app called dropvox  notice it is vox for voice not box 
>> for box
>> If you do not have the dropvox  app it is free in the app store on your phone
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 16:50
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Quick and easy way to record on iPhone.
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have read that you're supposed to be able to record in dropbox, but when I 
>> look in the app I see no way to do it. How does one record in dropbox?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dropvox and boss jock Junior are two apps that come to mind right away.
>>> Both apps are basically one tap to record type apps and in the case of drop 
>>> vox it uploads you're recording to your dropbox. Boss job Junior is very 
>>> easy to use and lets you record and save recordings to dropbox and other 
>>> areas. They're both free apps as well.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I’m using the iPhone 5S.
>>>> Is there a way I can 
>>>>  record on my phone quickly?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Blessings,
>>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>>> 
>>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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RE: My Own Thoughts on Today's Subjects

[David Tanner]

Folks, let us be adults here.  We all have our own opinions about a lot of 
things.  And, just to say that a person doesn't have the right to say that they 
don't feel a need for a certain product is not life shattering.  And, if a 
person wants respect then they need to be sure that they are showing respect to 
others on the list.

If a different moderator is needed, or if there is again a need for a group of 
more than one moderator to make decisions on the rules for the list and how it 
is managed then let those who wish to work daily to make this list better let 
it be known that they wish to help make this a better list for all.

But, for better or worse there are times on any mailinglist that some folks 
want to act like children.  So, then the moderators need to have rules in place 
that clearly determine what actions will cause a person to be put on 
monitoring, and if the actions continue they will be removed from the list.  
And, once the rules are made the moderators need to stick to the rules so that 
everyone knows what the rules are and what actions by them will cause them to 
be removed from the list.

 that 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: My Own Thoughts on Today's Subjects

Hi all. I, like others, also say that making a new Mac Visionaries list won't 
solve anything. The reality of the matter is that drama follows us everywhere 
and if we make a whole new mailing list, we're basically running away from 
reality. Cara made an excellent point earlier and I'm proud that she was honest 
enough to come out in the open and explain herself. It's hard to lose someone 
you care dearly about, and I give her my sincere condolences.
Now, about the certain somebody that you all keep writing about, and I know who 
all of you are talking about. You each may have your own reasons for why you 
dislike him so much, but your contempt for him over shadows what he's done for 
this community, and I for one appreciate what he's done. I mean, I'm like him. 
When I post to this list about issues or opinions, I'm hoping that my 
intentions are good and that somebody appreciates them without having to ask 
for that appreciation. And when people attack me, just like someone did last 
week, (you know who you are), because I gave an honest opinion about the iPhone 
6 Plus and why I don't need one right now, it's like a slap in the face. It's 
like someone coming up to you and saying, We don't care what you think so shut 
the F**K up. I mean, has this list turned into so much of a drama pool where 
people like me can't voice questions or opinions without getting attacked? 
Because if so, that's fine. I'm on other mailing lists so I'll just share my 
contributions and opinions with those lists because they actually care what I 
have to say. And my other point is simple. Cara made a really good point. I 
think some of us have forgotten where the delete key is on the computer. So 
rather than pressing that magical button, people would rather post to the list 
creating more traffic just to bash that person. So let me give those people 
something to think about before you press the reply button to bash me. If you 
press that reply button, you're no better than the person that offended you. 
End of story. I hope you all have an excellent night/morning or whatever it is 
you live.

Shawn
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

[David tanner]

Has this become your list or can anyone else right on this list I would say the 
last 20 messages or more that I have seen have all been from you. How about 
somebody else but the message about something else.

Sent from my iPod

 On Aug 3, 2015, at 1:18 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You're wrong.
 
 I'm not gonna write cursing and screaming.
 
 I'm actually going to thank you for your opinion.  Whether it matters to me, 
 no comments one way or another.  All I'll say is you have a right to your 
 opinion, so thanks for sharing it.
 
 Have a great day, Jolly Blitson.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 5:17 PM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
 totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
 rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
 here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
 tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
 have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
 at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
 Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
 bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
 has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
 criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
 yourself should think about that criticism as well?
 On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
 that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
 whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
 want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
 a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
 apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
 I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
 my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
 sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
 that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
 This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
 all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
 but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
 grasp?
 
 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
 violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
 discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
 forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
 says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
 time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
 take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
 says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
 don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
 am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
 quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
 was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
 went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
 isn't true!
 
 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
 I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
 worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
 it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
 
 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
 you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
 
 Chris.
 
 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
 sakes!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To:
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
 treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
 isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
 means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
 And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
 wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
 comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
 apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You 

Re: textDetective versus knfbReader

[David Tanner]

I have used text detective a lot in the past and I can guarantee you that the 
recognition is nowhere close to as good as canopy reader. Texted tattoo has 
limited use but it also has heavy battery drain.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 6 

 On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Personally, I think this list is for all things Apple, iPhones computers 
 tablets whatever even now with the I watch. Should've would've could've, I 
 consider asking questions on this list the form of research anyway. I 
 appreciate the question because I'm thinking of buying KNFB myself. Anybody 
 out there have some constructive thoughts on this question?
 
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Surely this should be a topic for Viphone rather than Macvisionaries?
 None of these apps are available for Mac.
 
 Anyway, to address your topic, yes KNFB Reader is a lot better. But you 
 should have researched that.
 On 7/10/2015 8:51 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
 KnfbReader is on sale today for $75. The normal price is $99. Is knfbReader 
 worth $75? I already own a license for textDetective. But I've heard that 
 knfbReader is much better. Is that true?
 
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Re: Voice Dream Mail

[David Tanner]

You must be using the free version if you were using the professional version 
you would be able to have more than one account


Dictated from Voice Dream Mail.





On Jun 20, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:





Anyone out there using Voice Dream Mail?

I got my Google account set up for it and really like some of the features but 
can’t get my other accounts, which are with my cable/internet provider, set up.

Any tips and tricks for this app would be hugely appreciated. As I said, I do 
like it and think it has tons of potential.

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Re: getting started guide with veryoiceover for 10.10

[David Tanner]

The only problem with this guy is it is for OS 10.6 Snow Leopard and would not 
be very current and all with new additions to voiceover since then.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 6 

 On May 1, 2015, at 8:37 PM, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Joe, 
 
 The following URL maybe of assistance: 
 
 https://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/. 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 website: 
 
 Http://SadamAhmed.com 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 
 
 On 2 May 2015, at 11:27 am, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I mean where you can read it on a non mac device
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 vo-h g.
 
 On May 1, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 wht's the url for the getting started guide for using voiceover with os x 
 yosemite? Thanks!
 
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Re: Apple Stops Supporting Windows 7 in Boot Camp on New MacBook Pro, MacBook Air Models - Mac Rumors

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 Is Windows 8.1  supported? 


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 On Mar 20, 2015, at 3:48 PM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Barry, That's been a rumor for a while. Not too surprised!
 Jeff
 
 
 On 3/20/15, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 thought this might be of interest to someone here.
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/03/20/new-macbook-pro-air-no-windows-7-bootcamp/
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/03/20/new-macbook-pro-air-no-windows-7-bootcamp/
 
 
 Barry Hadder
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RE: What a disappointment.

[David Tanner]

I am guessing much of your problems were with your internet connection.  I
had almost no problems and was streaming on my work network with a iPhone 5.
Perhaps your internet connection is more of a problem than the internet or
Apple???

s



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
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Subject: Re: What a disappointment.

Hi!
Have some coffee for instance.
/A
9 sep 2014 kl. 19:33 skrev BobH. long.c...@virgin.net:

 I soon gave it up too, moved stuff about instead. Found it didn't fit, 
 so put it back and came on here instead.
 
 RobH, might go do something else yet.
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:15 PM
 Subject: What a disappointment.
 
 
 Hi!
 I am trying to watch the apple live stream.
 Can't hear a thing.
 Well sometimes i do but i guess the pressure is so high that the video 
 is choppy on my ipad and mac.
 Frustration grows!
 /A as angry.
 
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Re: yosemite public beta

[David Tanner]

Where can one sign up for the beta? 




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 On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey,
 i’m making a Second partition before installing the beta. am i able to access 
 apps that are still on mavrics?
 thanks
 
 Michael
 On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere tbussi...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
  
 I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
 the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
 Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
 app store.
 It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
 occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
 who didn’t even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
 people that applied before them are getting “reached capacity” or “Code 
 already used” errors in the app store.
  
 One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss 
 it openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if 
 we were running developer copies?
  
 From: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
  
 Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
 some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
 started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
 been down when I try to access it.
 On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere tbussi...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
 https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
 You must sign in, then click Get Yosemite on the top of the page.
 Things to note:
 Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
 the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
 If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
 presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
 here:
 http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
 achine/
 
 HTH
 
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 Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
 yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
 
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[David tanner]

I have several friends who are using windows on MacBook air yes it definitely 
works and it works with Mavericks




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 I am trying to find out if a Mac Book Air would have enough memory to run 
 windows either with boot camp or fusion? Thanks.
 
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Re: Google's music manager

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It doesn't be appear to be accessible with any kind of speech on Apple our 
windows.




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 On May 28, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I downloaded Google's music manager today and I can't get anywhere with it.  
 Voiceover will say the name of the application, and unknown.  Unknown seems 
 to be the only thing VO will say within the app.
 
 Any ideas or suggestions.  I'm trying to upload my music to Google Play.
 
 Thanks,
 Traci
 
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Re: perkins mini

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Very simple, never. I've never had a problem with it and the year and a half or 
more than I have had the display/notetaker.




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 On May 11, 2014, at 4:01 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Interesting. How many times have you had to send it in for reparation? 
 
 On May 10, 2014, at 19:09, David Tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The Perkins many costs $1550 in the US. I have had mine for a year and a 
 half and absolutely love it. It works great with either devices and it also 
 can be used with jaws and a number of other screenwriters.
 
 Sent from my accessible iPhone
 
 On May 9, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 How much does it cost, and what's it like? 
 
 On May 9, 2014, at 8:15, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it's on the list, but am just not sure. It is practically the only 
 one I think I can afford, except the braille pen, and that one people say 
 the currsor routing buttons don't work with voiceover, and you also can't 
 store things on it. Just wanted some real world experience from a user. 
 The edge looks cool it's just too expensive for me. 
 
 Alia 
 On May 9, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 If you are going to get a braille display, you may want to get one that 
 is on the voiceover list, just in case you do need to use it with either 
 your phone or your computer. Have you checked to see if this display is 
 on the voiceover list? My Braille edge 40 for example, allows you to 
 store files on it separately from your computer or your phone. However, 
 it can act as a braille display as well for either my computer or my 
 phone.
 Gigi
 
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Re: perkins mini

[David Tanner]

The Perkins many can be updated by putting the update file on them microSD card 
or putting it on a thumb drive and connecting it to the unit and going to 
update and it updates on it's own without windows

Sent from my accessible iPhone

 On May 9, 2014, at 9:47 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 this one is a small note taker too. It has a sd slot. I assume it can update 
 that way. 
 
 Alia
 On May 9, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 I don't think any braille display will update unless you use windows. I wish 
 the manufacturers who manufacture Braille displays would let us update 
 displays on any platform all VI people should now sign a petition on 
 change.org and send it to all the manufacturers or we should do something 
 else more effective.
 
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Re: perkins mini

[David Tanner]

The Perkins many costs $1550 in the US. I have had mine for a year and a half 
and absolutely love it. It works great with either devices and it also can be 
used with jaws and a number of other screenwriters.

Sent from my accessible iPhone

 On May 9, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 How much does it cost, and what's it like? 
 
 On May 9, 2014, at 8:15, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it's on the list, but am just not sure. It is practically the only one 
 I think I can afford, except the braille pen, and that one people say the 
 currsor routing buttons don't work with voiceover, and you also can't store 
 things on it. Just wanted some real world experience from a user. The edge 
 looks cool it's just too expensive for me. 
 
 Alia 
 On May 9, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 If you are going to get a braille display, you may want to get one that is 
 on the voiceover list, just in case you do need to use it with either your 
 phone or your computer. Have you checked to see if this display is on the 
 voiceover list? My Braille edge 40 for example, allows you to store files 
 on it separately from your computer or your phone. However, it can act as a 
 braille display as well for either my computer or my phone.
 Gigi
 
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RE: Pages tutorial

[David Tanner]

In case anyone is interested, there is a new book available on Bookshare
called iWork the Missing Manual.  This may be very helpful in using Pages.



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
Herrera
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 10:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages tutorial

how much did you pay for the course?
On 13 Mar 2014, at 03:47 am, Janet Ingber janet.ing...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Phil,
 
 I took Anne's Pages course and was very happy with it.  Anne and her
husband Archie are great.  Here's a link to the course description.
 http://cecimac.org/english.htm
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Janet
 On Mar 12, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Can anyone give me details about the pages tutorial offered by and
Robertson?
 Thanks
 
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Re: program for mac for typing in braille

[David tanner]

Actually there is a Duxberry for Mac now if that's what you're looking for.



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 On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 If noone answers this. The best thing I can come up right now for now is use 
 an updated Libre and ODT2 extention.
 
 I don't have a braille display or an embosser, so I have no way to test this.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Jessica jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi,
 What is a good braille translation program for typing in braille and if 
 necessary, translating it to print to check for errors before embossing?
 Will textedit work for this? If so, can someone please tell me how?
 Thanks,
 
 Jessica
 jldai...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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RE: program for mac for typing in braille

[David Tanner]

The free (demo) version adds characters in the output document.  Of course
you probably don't mind so long as it is just for personal use, but you
would not want to give it to someone else.



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: program for mac for typing in braille

how do I get the free version? I cannot find the link.
Jessica
jldai...@gmail.com



On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:27 PM, David tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually there is a Duxberry for Mac now if that's what you're looking
for.
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPod
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Daniel Hawkins
computersassocia...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If none answers this. The best thing I can come up right now for now is
use an updated Libre and ODT2 extention.
 
 I don't have a braille display or an embosser, so I have no way to test
this.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb iPhone 3gs 
 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Jessica jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi,
 What is a good braille translation program for typing in braille and if
necessary, translating it to print to check for errors before embossing?
 Will textedit work for this? If so, can someone please tell me how?
 Thanks,
 
 Jessica
 jldai...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: program for mac for typing in braille

[David tanner]

A new version is either out or coming out in the very near future according to 
the latest email I saw from Duxberry it was shown a TI a in January.



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 On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I was just looking at their website, it looks like the full version is $645, 
 and it have been last updated in 2009, so I question will it even work on 
 Maverick?
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
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 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  But where to find that demo? I looked but no luck.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 Where do forest rangers go to get away from it all?
 Robert  Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 2/16/2014 8:28 PM, David Tanner wrote:
 The free (demo) version adds characters in the output document.  Of course
 you probably don't mind so long as it is just for personal use, but you
 would not want to give it to someone else.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica
 Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:40 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: program for mac for typing in braille
 
 how do I get the free version? I cannot find the link.
 Jessica
 jldai...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:27 PM, David tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Actually there is a Duxberry for Mac now if that's what you're looking
 for.
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPod
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Daniel Hawkins
 computersassocia...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If none answers this. The best thing I can come up right now for now is
 use an updated Libre and ODT2 extention.
 
 I don't have a braille display or an embosser, so I have no way to test
 this.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb iPhone 3gs
 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Jessica jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi,
 What is a good braille translation program for typing in braille and if
 necessary, translating it to print to check for errors before embossing?
 Will textedit work for this? If so, can someone please tell me how?
 Thanks,
 
 Jessica
 jldai...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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RE: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in

[David Tanner]

One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA,
Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the
only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a
Windows 8 tablet.  That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn't taken into
consideration.

 

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM
To: Mac Visionary
Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader
built in

 

Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is
trying to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows
8 apps and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac.
And Google have the Chromebook.

 

As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel
based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM
bsed OS.

 

So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be
around.Unless JAWS can't keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower
their prices, so we will see.

Daniel Hawkins

- Posted from my Macbook Pro

 

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On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:





Hey guys,  Another thing has occurred to me about this.  As you know,
window-eyes has been under developed for several years.  You might not be
aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016.
Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year.
April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years.  In 2012
smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the
United States.  In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to
out sell the personal computer in 2014.  

 

It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they
are both already in the mobile space.  Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even
NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market?  Especially with
IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new
accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two
leading mobile platforms.

 

Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access
to windows?  How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility
features.  Let's see.  henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers,
artic, dolphin, AISquared.  How many of those companies, most of whom are
still with us, have competed for anything in the mobile space?  AISquared,
codefactory, that's all I can think of.  Humanware and AFB have stepped into
the mobile space but their efforts have met with mixed success.

 

Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of
the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people
could somewhat use it.

 

Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the
window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep
as much value in the product as possible for as long as possible?  I'm sure
Dan and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages  So do Eric and the
other FS bigwigs.  These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that
they once did.  They are in fact, stodgy.  What has GW done for us lately?
Proprietary desktop applications  for skype and facebook, both of which are
much more accessible in the mobile space to begin with and both of which are
better suited to the mobile space than the desktop space IMHO.  It's GW's
attempt to coast through for another couple of years until the pc space
evaporates and the heads can retire.

 

All speculation on my part.  I loved  window-eyes when it was on the cutting
edge.  I just don't see it now though.

 

Best,

 

Erik Burggraaf

Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194

or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/ 

 

On 2014-01-20, at 5:45 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:





I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears
to be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others
with  various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and
equipment. I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They are
behind the ball if you ask me. I love apple and my mac and that is where my
loyalties are at this point. I do think this opens doors and that can always
be a good thing. Maybe this will benefit me in some way in the future
especially since I'd like the ability to use a robust OCR  scanning software
with a camera instead of a traditional scanner. Maybe one day I will
consider putting windows on my computer with  boot camp or a virtual
environment. So, for me this topic is important to discuss even 

Re: using the garage band

[David tanner]

There is a beginning basic tutorial podcast on Apple Vis that was done not too 
long ago that seems to be a very good place to start.

Sent from my iPod

 On Jan 15, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't believe the tutorials are accessible on GarageBand. Best look around 
 for another learn to play course/app/program. GB is a good audio editor, in 
 my opinion, but not all that great for anything more.
 
 On Jan 15, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 is anyone here using garage band? because i want to learn how to play piano. 
 i already have the cable connected to my piano, the problem is on the garage 
 band, i can see the play and the other tutorials i’ve downloaded. what 
 should i do with this one?
 
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Re: Mack Compatible Assistive Technology Software for Mac or Iphone

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DocuScan+ is $299.00.  You can go to www.docuscanplus.com and sign-up for a 7 
day trial or the software can be downloaded and installed on your Mac from the 
Mac Store on your Mac for free.  But, when you run it the first time you will 
have to either purchase it or sign-up for a 7 day trial.  

It is easy to learn, and works quite well.


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 On Dec 30, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't know how much it is but DocuScan plus is available for the mac. 
 
 Hope Paulos
 
 On Dec 30, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Christine Olivares rafael4...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 I will be starting a work experience soon, but I need to be able to read 
 printed materials. I really don't want to go back to using JAWS or a Windows 
 computer unless I absolutely have to. I was wondering if there is OCR 
 software for the Mack, what scanner I have to get, etc. If there is nothing 
 for the Mack, is there an app for the iPhone where I can take a picture of 
 the document and my phone reads the material to me?
 
 thanks for your help. Have a great day!!
 
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Re: Mack Compatible Assistive Technology Software for Mac or Iphone

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The Cannon Lide desktop scanners work well with DocuScan, and can be had for 
around $100 for the Lide 210, which I believe is still the current model.


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 Hello everyone,
 I will be starting a work experience soon, but I need to be able to read 
 printed materials. I really don't want to go back to using JAWS or a Windows 
 computer unless I absolutely have to. I was wondering if there is OCR 
 software for the Mack, what scanner I have to get, etc. If there is nothing 
 for the Mack, is there an app for the iPhone where I can take a picture of 
 the document and my phone reads the material to me?
 
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Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team

[David Tanner]

So, I guess you have never seen anyone else or any other organization whose 
technology wasn't absoluetly perfect.

Maybe you would like to be over 200 miles up in space wondering if you would 
get back to earth because the software on the spacelab wasn't working right.  
Or, what about the huge software bugs in the new health care program of the 
federal goverment.

If you find that perfect technology and the perfect company with perfect 
customer service please let us know who they are and how much they paid you for 
your praise.


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 On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
 
 Cheree Heppe here:
 Would you suggeat, then, that the blindness accessibility fall into the 
 category of a publicity stunt and that Apple gets to accessibility elements 
 when it benefits this aim?
 I have experienced increasing bugs across the IOS platform that impair 
 function.  I am collecting my info systematically and intend to mention it.
 
 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 
 Sent from my IPhone 4S
 
 On 17 Dec 2013, at 5:58, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I would also like to point out, the accessibility team is made up of more 
 people than the people who read our e-mails and answer our calls.  There are 
 a few dedicated Voiceover engineers.  I’m guessing not many, but a few that 
 work on Voiceover specific issues.  I think we must understand like most huge 
 companies, maybe even more so with Apple, things are very compartmentalized.  
 So, there might be an accessibility issue in Mail for example that the people 
 responsible for the Mail app must address.  Sure, the VO engineers might 
 assist, and point out the errors on a technical level, but they might not be 
 a high priority for the Mail team to address, and the Voiceover team just 
 doesn’t have access to that to do it themselves.  They might well be as 
 frustrated as you or I.  And this stuff about Steve’s Jobs passing being 
 related to the lessoning or enhancing of Apple accessibility sounds so silly 
 to me its not even funny.  I mean guys, do you not remember me and others 
 complaining about access to third party icons in the status menu?  That 
 wasn’t added until last year.  If my math is right, Steve Jobs had been gone 
 over a year by then.  I don’t hear anyone thanking Tim cook for this. lol.  
 Yes, don’t get me wrong, I think Steve Jobs and others at Apple felt strongly 
 about accessibility.  But less not kid ourselves.  I don’t think Jobs was 
 spending sleepless nights trying to figure out how to make Voiceover better.  
 After all, there was a gap of around 4 years where the Mac was completely 
 inaccessible.  I’m just pointing out facts here folks.  I’m as biggest Steve 
 Jobs fan as you might find, but I’m not going to delude  myself in thinking 
 he coded Voiceover with his own two hands. :).
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:37 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as 
 if to suggest that we are being ignored.  It seems to be the belief of some 
 that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and problems with 
 Voice Over.  I do not believe that this is the case.  It is my belief that 
 the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited role at Apple.  
 Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, that role has 
 perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple accessibility team 
 never has had actual decision making capacity with respect to actual 
 implementation of fixes for Voice Over.  They didn’t even have this power 
 under Steve Jobs.  Unless I am very much mistaken, all the accessibility 
 team has any power to do is to forward our findings over to the development 
 teams but nothing more.  They cannot even tell us whether or not our reports 
 will be acted upon.  Now, this last is most likely a part of Apple’s non 
 disclosure policy:  however, I suspect that even if this was not so, Apple’s 
 accessibility team would not be informed in any case.  In short, it seems 
 that the only function that this accessibility team has and will ever have 
 at Apple is not much more than a kind of clearing house of feedback from us 
 blind users.  I cannot help wonder how many Apple app developmental teams 
 look at submissions from the accessibility team and say to themselves, “Oh, 
 no, not again.”.  I suspect that this explains why it is that our reports 
 seem to go unheeded.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
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Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

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Oh, you forgot how many times FS will deny that they are aware of a problem 
with their software to the bitter end regardless how many times you prove it to 
them.  Anyone ever experience the famous Jaws remark focus lost?



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 On Dec 17, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’m about to really annoy the moderators but, thanks Teresa for such a 
 well-reasoned post. One thing to keep in mind is, Freedom Scientific doesn’t 
 design computers, nor do they design operating systems. They design a screen 
 reader that supports an operating system whose developers aren’t all that 
 interested in accessibility. Yes, there are always problems when you’re an 
 early adopter of a new operating system, and yes, there are times when I’m 
 forced to use Windows because there is no Mac software that meets my specific 
 needs. However, overall, VoiceOver is stable, reliable, and, I’m not paying 
 $200 or more just to upgrade the screen reader, let alone the operating 
 system!
 
 
 You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
 richr...@gmail.com
 
 On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, alll,
 
 I wasn't going to post to this thread, but I've been thinking about this 
 issue of accessibility. When I decided to switch to a Mac, I knew I had to 
 consider the fact that buying a product off the shelf was going to mean 
 risking some accessibility features. Maybe mainstream developers are 
 sometimes not aware of how screen-readers work on a visceral level. Maybe 
 accessibility will not be as much a priority in this case as it would be for 
 an entity like Freedom Scientific. However, having tried Linuxx and using 
 various screen-readers and desktops on that platform, I still find that 
 Voiceover is far more stable and accessible than Orca screen-reader, for 
 example. I still explore and use various platforms, and believe me, I've 
 seen my share of bugs. So this update for Mac oSX is nothing to me. It has 
 some annoyances for sure, but imagine if it shut itself off every five 
 minutes or restarted the OS or just plain didn't read a good number of apps.
 
 Also, how much are we paying for these OS updates? How much did we pay for 
 this last full upgrade? Imagine having to pay an upgrade fee every time you 
 wanted to update just the screen-reader alone.
 
 So I think that before one uses software extensively, one has to consider 
 some factors. Is this something I want to risk my productivity on? If not, 
 should I stay with what i know? Do I like to learn new things, and how 
 tolerant am I of bugs in software? How much hand-holding do I need? If I buy 
 a product off the shelf, can I work around the accessibility glitches that 
 are probably going to rear their ugly heads? If not, maybe I should consider 
 getting something exclusively blind-friendly if I don't want to put up with 
 accessibility issues.
 
 In short, I really think Apple is doing a fantastic job, considering. And 
 yes, I would have higher expectations of a Freedom Scientific or Humanware.
 
 Just my two bits of currency. :)
 
 Teresa
 
 Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal
 
 On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Buddy Brannan wrote:
 
 BTW, for those who think that Tim Cook just doesn’t give two s**ts about 
 accessibility, this is probably well worn a view. Be cynical and say it’s 
 just Tim spewing a line or whatever you like, but I kind of don’t get that.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNEafGCf-kw
 
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Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team

[David Tanner]

Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices 
than it ever will to help make things better.  But, as I am sure you known 
blind people have a long history of being hateful, spiteful, not appreciating 
what is done for them, and constant complainers.


Sent from my accessible iPhone

 On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:53 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think the idea that accessibility is less important to Apple since the 
 death of Steve Jobs is nothing more than pure speculation and if anyone can 
 prove otherwise, I would love to see the evidence. I see no value in such 
 comments.
 
 Robert Carter
 
 
 On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Scott B. sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Absolutely right.  They can talking to engineering.  But engeeniering has 
 the final say.  I agree since the great Steve Jobs has passed we're probably 
 not seeing as much interaction from Accessibility as people saw before.  To 
 sum it up very briefly Accessibility is where you take the accessibility 
 suggestions or problems.  They either act upon them y supporting you the 
 person who needs help or passing it on to the engineering team by 
 escalation. Please also keep in mind these are tier 2 support personnel so 
 they can't know everything either so be easy on these people.
 
 
 On 12/17/2013 03:37, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as 
 if to suggest that we are being ignored.  It seems to be the belief of some 
 that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and problems 
 with Voice Over.  I do not believe that this is the case.  It is my belief 
 that the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited role at 
 Apple.  Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, that role 
 has perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple accessibility team 
 never has had actual decision making capacity with respect to actual 
 implementation of fixes for Voice Over.  They didn’t even have this power 
 under Steve Jobs.  Unless I am very much mistaken, all the accessibility 
 team has any power to do is to forward our findings over to the development 
 teams but nothing more.  They cannot even tell us whether or not our 
 reports will be acted upon.  Now, this last is most likely a part of 
 Apple’s non disclosure policy:  however, I suspect that even if this was 
 not so, Apple’s accessibility team would not be informed in any case.  In 
 short, it seems that the only function that this accessibility team has and 
 will ever have at Apple is not much more than a kind of clearing house of 
 feedback from us blind users.  I cannot help wonder how many Apple app 
 developmental teams look at submissions from the accessibility team and say 
 to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”.  I suspect that this explains why it 
 is that our reports seem to go unheeded.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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Re: VO documentation for iOS 7?

[David Tanner]

There are also three free books in the iBook Store that are free and cover iOS7 
very well and extensively.

iOS 7 iPhone Users Guide
iOS7 iTouch Users Guide
iOS7 iPad Users Guide

All three books are free and have 200 to 300 pages each.  I have read most of 
the iTouch book and it is very well done.


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 On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can find the latest iPhone manual here: 
 http://support.apple.com/manuals/#iphone.
 
 The new one has the accessibility stuff berried in the appendix.
 
 On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 I am looking for the documentation for VO running under iOS7.  In previous 
 versions, you could launch Safari and read it there.  Unless I am doing 
 something wrong, I can't locate it.
 
 On a similar note, it appears that the feature that lets you go into a 
 gesture help mode has been removed from 
 Settings/General/Accessibility/VoiceOver.  Does anyone know if this feature 
 still exists and where one can find it?
 
 Thanks too all, 
 
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RE: Reading Text Documents

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You will need to get the picture file run through an optical character
recognition software and turned into a text file before any screen reader
will be able to read this document. 

If you can not get help with this at the disabilities office at your college
then you really need to contact the state agency inyr state to get their
assistanc to help you get the instructor and your college to understand what
it takes to make a print document accessible to you. 



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helena Fehr
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Reading Text Documents

Hi all!
I've got a text document I'm supposed to read for class at my Bible college,
but VoiceOver won't read it, and just says return and bottom of document
because the professor who put the text online for me do download made a
photo copy of the book he wanted us to read, so now the text looks like a
picture of the text, rather than the normal text itself, like when you scan
it into the computer or type it out. The document is there on teh scren, and
it looks clear enough, but VoiceOver won't read it. Does anyone have ideas
what I can do so VoiceOver will read the text to me/ Is there an app I can
get that'll read it? Thanks!
God Bless!!!
Helena

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RE: iOS seven update

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And, how are they acting with the new upgrade.  It sounded like it wasn't a
good idea to upgrade the iPhone 4 and that also seemed to be the suggestion
for iPads too.  So, I am wondering if they are working alright on your
devices?  I have a couple of iPads that need upgrading and an iPhone 4 also,
but I was afraid that I had better leave them alone for now.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS seven update

It took about an hour for me to update my iPhone 4 but only about 15 minutes
for my iPad 2.
On 2013-09-18, at 6:16 PM, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Everyone!
 
 I just got finished updating my I pad mini  and now i am waiting for my I
phone 4.s. to finish installing the I.O.S. 7 update. Have anyone had any
difficulties with the installation of the software? It took over an hour and
a half for me to update my I pad mini. I did not know if anyone was having
the same difficulties as i was having with the installation process. 
 thanks.
 sincerely, chenelle
 
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Re: Question About Perkins Mini Braille Display

[David Tanner]

I own a Perkins many braille use it for work and have since November your 
evaluation is way off base it is very well-made is a 16 cell display am much 
better than the 14 cell display he recommended and far far better than the 12 
so frail pin

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On Sep 16, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't used it personally, but I did see it last year and got to try some 
 of its built-in functions. At the time, iOS didn't support it - it was only 
 added in the iOS6 update that came out a few months after I'd seen the 
 display.
 
 I found it very large, cheap-feeling, and clunky, especially for being a 
 14-cell display. The cells are recessed a good 3/4 to 1 inch below the rest 
 of the plastic casing, the ports fell like an afterthought, and the whole 
 thing just gave me a bad impression. For a 14-cell display, consider the 
 Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific, or the Braille Pen (though that's just 12 
 cells and lack cursor keys(). Yes, the Perkins Mini includes built-in 
 functions, but for that I'd much rather go with the Braille Edge from Hims 
 (40 cells, so more expensive, but I'm really hoping for a 20-cell version).
 
 The above are just my thoughts, based on maybe ten minutes with the device. 
 At the least, though, really try to get a demo of the unit before you decide 
 to buy it, or check the return policy.
 On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I'm curious to know if any of you have used the Perkins Mini Braille Display 
 with your iDevices?  I have read about this display and might be interested 
 in getting one, but I'd love to get some information from someone who has 
 actually used one.  Thanks!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
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RE: Anyone know what ever happened to NLS Bard's iPhone App

[David Tanner]

According to the folks that were at the NLS booth at the ACB and NFB
conventions this summer they were saying Septem

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone know what ever happened to NLS Bard's iPhone App

Well, that may be true; however, I still can't wait for it. I'm hearing
conflicting messages about when that is actually going to come out.


Some say September, others say later this fall, now, we have one saying
hopefully sometime this year. While. I guess that will just have to wait and
see.


Sent from my iPhone, the only smart phone with full accessibility for the
blind built-in!

On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

It's still in the works, will hopefully be out later this year.
Original message:
 Hey all, I remember several months ago that NLS Bard was testing their
iPhone app in Beta and that it was scheduled to be released in July. Well,
July is almost over, has anyone heard anything further about NLS coming to
the iPhone? Did Kindle becoming more accessible change the NLS mind? Thanks
for any info.

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RE: For David and others: Resending A Look at ProTools part 4

[David Tanner]

Thanks very much Chris.
s

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
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Subject: For David and others: Resending A Look at ProTools part 4

OK, upon request, here is part 4 again.

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/rrqvb5

Chris.

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RE: Here is Part 3 of A Look at ProTools.

[David Tanner]

Chris,

Would you please post the link for the 4th tutorial again.  I got the
message, but it accidently got deleted, and now I can't find the deleted
message.

Thanks very much!


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Subject: Here is Part 3 of A Look at ProTools.

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/lulafs

Chris.

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Re: IOS 7 did I hear something right?

[David Tanner]

What a shame!

One would really like to hear about the new announcements, and we have folks 
more interested in creating extra chat with their childish little on list fight.



Sent from my accessible iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Boy!  Aren't we in a good mood today!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Ray Foret jr rfore...@att.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: IOS 7 did I hear something right?
 
 
 Uh, I knew that.  Duh.  Not my point anyhow.  I think that these are a new 
 set of voices that Apple's coming out with but can't say that for sure.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ok.
 As I said on twitter, these are not actual synthetic. These are recorded by 
 the people who actually made the samanthaand tom voices. So who knows.
 On 2013-06-10, at 8:57 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 I'm not sure. I listen to both of those voices several times (I recorded 
 the entire thing is way file) and to tell the truth, I didn't recognize 
 Tom as the male voice. No. I think this is a completely new set of voices.
 
 
 I am also very hopeful that these new voices (assuming they are you 
 voices) will also be available on the Mac. Now, if that is the case, these 
 are much better voices than anything we have ever used before.
 
 
 To me, that is enough of a reason to get excited about the new iOS 7. And 
 then, of course, there is the new control panel. I would guess that one 
 would access it by swiping three fingers upward on the screen. But, that 
 is only a guess.
 
 Sent from my iPhone, the only smart phone with full accessibility for the 
 blind built-in!
 
 On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought the male voice sounded like a much nicer version of Tom than I'm 
 use to hearing. They did mention having French and German voices too and 
 demonstrated those briefly. And they said more hq languages were coming.
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: [Maccessibility] Prizmo OCR App for iOS Enhances VoiceOver Support

[David Tanner]

It is $9.99 regular price but it is on sale in the app store now for five 
dollars

Sent from my accessible iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:

 Is it still free?  I should like to see how it compairs with Text Detective 
 for which I paid.  Something to think about anyhow.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On May 14, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 I tried the new Prizmo update. I like it a lot. I was never successful at 
 getting Prizmo give me good text until they came out with this update. I 
 know other people of been able to get it to work without that, but not me.
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 14, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Maccessibility nore...@maccessibility.net 
 wrote:
 
 Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Prizmo OCR App for iOS Enhances 
 VoiceOver Support'
 
 Prizmo, a scanning, OCR, and speech application for iPhone and iPad, has 
 been updated with enhanced support for VoiceOver. From the release notes:
 Prizmo is made for everyone, and is thus fully compatible with VoiceOver. 
 It provides voice guidance to help position your iPhone when taking 
 document pictures, and will find the text [...]
 
 
 You may view the latest post at
 http://maccessibility.net/2013/05/14/prizmo-ocr-app-for-ios-enhances-voiceover-support/
 
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MainMenu Highlights The Accessible Kindel App For iOS Devices This Week!

[David Tanner]

The Amazon Kindel app for iOS devices and the accessibility of this app with
VoiceOver is the subject of MainMenu this week.

 

David Woodbridge from www.visionaustralia.org demonstrates the use of the
latest version of the Kindel app for iOS and how to use the new
accessibility features built into the latest release of the Kindel app.

 

This review anddemonstration will get you very well prepared to use and
enjoy reading books, magazines and more with the new Kindel app on your
iPhone, iTouch or iPad.

 

We congratulate Amazon on this very accessible app, and thank them for the
effort that went into making this release a real advance in accessibility to
printed material for blind and visually impaired people.  And, we now
anxiously await Amazon releasing accessible versions of their other Kindel
products.

 

 

You will not want to miss the information and interesting content in this
show for this week.

 

So join us and be a part of what is going on on MainMenu.

 

 

Main Menu can first be heard on Fridays at 9:00 pm Eastern time. It airs

throughout Saturday on ACB Radio. 

http://www.acbradio.org

It is also available in the iTunes store, in the iBlink Radio app for IOS

and Android devices, and is available to Radio Reading Services around the

world. 

 

Subscribe to the Main Menu podcast feed at: 

http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php

 

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http://mainmenu.acbradio.org

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RE: Convincing rehab services to purchase a Mac

[David Tanner]

Donna,

 

I am an assistive technology specialist for Minnesota State Services for the
Blind and have been with them for 17 years.  Over the past two to three
years we have purchased a number of MacBook Pros and a few iMaccs.   And,
none of our counselors object to purchasing Macs so long as they receive a
recommendation for it from one of us in the tech department.

 

We would be more than happy to assist if we can.

 

By the way, we do have a trainer certification test designed in-hous by
members of our team that are blind Mac users that have to be passed with a
score of 80 percent or better in order for us to contract with them to train
our clients on the Mac.

 

So, if it helps, please feel free to have your rehab folks contact me at
david.tan...@state.mn.us or our Chief Technology Officer, David Andrews at
david.b.andr...@state.mn.us

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Convincing rehab services to purchase a Mac

 

Hi all,

 

I haven't had time to respond to everyone's individual messages on this
topic, but I want to thank all who have posted.  You all have raised some
great points, and given me a lot to proceed with.  Thanks for taking the
time to pass along your thoughts and experiences.

Best,

Donna

On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:





I have read the responses to this inquiry with great interest. I would like
to add a few thoughts.

First, how well does this student know the Mac?

The rehab agency for which I once worked would want to know this. The
reason? It is fairly likely that the rehab agency in question doesn't have
qualified personel that would assist in technical support issues.

Next, if in fact this student's future employer uses the Mac, that would be
a huge step in the positive direction.

I do agree that the Mac is fairly easy to learn, but rehab agencies (at
least Oregon and definitely Iowa) would want to insure that agency personel
wouldn't have to provide ongoing tech support. This costs money, and they
tend to purchase the same tools for everyone. I know, whatever happened to
client choice?

I have seen Macs get purchased, but I must admit that the justification
needs to be thorough in nature.

That's enough for now.

Oh, one more thing, the rehab folks may flat ask what a Mac will do for this
student that a Windows machine won't?

 


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
Fielding

 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 

richr...@gmail.com

 

On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:





Thank you, Gigi.  I'm not sure much of this will carry much weight, for the
reasons I just explained.  but I'll try and get them to talk to Texas.
Someday these idiots just have to move into the 21st-century.
Best,
Donna
On Apr 9, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:




Hi there
Although the cost may be a good justification to rehab, I think the second
option of the employer wanting training and use of Apple products is an even
better argument in this case. You might want to also get the employer on
this as well, if it's possible. What they say means a lot.

Also, if they get the three-year warranty with the Mac, then they can be
given the accessibility number so their consumer can call it. They will
probably love that part. They will want to slam the case closed as soon as
they can. You might also point out that other states, such as Texas, have in
fact bought Macintosh computers for certain consumers. See if you can talk
the counselor into calling the Chris Cole rehabilitation center in Austin,
Texas to talk to them about that. 

Regards,
Gigi
On Apr 9, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:




I haven't done so myself, but it is possible.

The 2 justifications that can be used are:
1. lower cost of ownership (as accessibility is included)
2. Greater included feature set for the cost involved (built in camera,
bluetooth, wi-fi, firewire, USB 2.x or greater, full apple repair support,
minimal training cost and plenty of supported hardware options).

now, getting an equivalent windows machine involves the acquisition of the
machine, additional hardware, cost of the operating system, SMA for jaws
($250 per year), jaws itself ($890 for 2 keys), hardware only support from
dell, etc. the cost of the windows machine is actually higher on a total
cost of ownership basis than a mac would be. also, voiceover on the apple
doesn't require a yearly SMA and OS upgrades are inexpensive. 

cost of macbook pro with mountain lion OS: $1500 low end
cost of dell laptop with windows 7, MS Office 2012, jaws, SMA an equivalent
hardware options: $1900 low end.

believe me, I use both here and I much prefer the macbook over the windows
machine for sheer usefulness. 

the best justification that can be made to VR is the cost. the 

RE: AccessNote

[David Tanner]

I think that at present many folks may think that this app is over priced,
but if AFB comes through with the additional features that they have implied
that they will then I think that it will be a very good app for a lots of
folks.  One thing that I think folks are forgetting is that they have built
into this app a level of navigation of your document that is not possible
with other note apps in iOS.  That can be particularly helpful when using a
Braille display or Bluetooth keyboard.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AccessNote

I can ask another question, why is Braille touch 20 dollars in the US and
ovfor £10 in the UK? I do think  it cheeky as we're only downloading
software and it not being physical software.

Kawal.

On 4 Feb 2013, at 03:57 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Well, if you get flamed, I will go down with you. I completely agree,
Cryster.
 Cheers,
 Donna 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 4, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:
 
 I haven't seen accessnote and i think the price tag is outrageous just to
test and probably diss the product. What i for the life of me can not
understand and probably never going to get an answer to is this: Why do we
blind people so want to get back to the isolated state we were in before the
IPhone? Why do we want to get back to being in the hands of people who make
apps that are badly coded, lacks the most common features and often, though
admittedly not always is a downright insult of our inteligence and to a
ridiculous price when other apps exist that work? Is it because we've talked
to the developers of apps and haven't got positive responses quickly enough?
Is it that we lack the knowledge to tell the developers what we want? I
don't know, the only thing i know is what i remember from when this list
started, and how it has developed up to now. I also know i'm going to get
flamed to bits for saying this, it's just that i think it needs to be said.
Not that it matters, i am only one voice and one voice can be ignored, and i
may even be wrong altogether in what i feel, so i don't know anything.
 /Krister
 
 4 feb 2013 kl. 16:33 skrev Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com:
 
 
 Hi Kawal and others:
 
 For my way of thinking, I say forget Word for the iPhone and let's AFB
to do more with the program they just put out. I think I'm really going to
like this AccessNote program, especially if AFB can figure out a way to
start selection at the point user designated and then end it, also user
designated. I also would like the option of syncing with the Cloud and not
just Drop Box. I know they would have to talk Asple into that, but I can
wish. What I really wan is brf files because it appears that ;this program
takes out the carriage returns some of us have been wanting to get rid of
when using a braille display. In fact, I am even considering whether or not
it would work to change the extension to a brf file to txt so that you could
get a brf file easily onto the iPhone or any other IOS device. 
 
 Currently, what I don't have is Drop Box set up on my iPhone. Someone
may have answered this at some point, but I can't remember. How much does it
cost to have Drop Box? 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 
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FW: [IDevices] It's Now Illegal to Unlock Your Phone

[David Tanner]

 

 

From: IDevices [mailto:idevices-boun...@gatewayfortheblind.com] On Behalf Of
Trish Zoellers Scott
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:27 AM
To: Gateway IOS Devices
Subject: [IDevices] It's Now Illegal to Unlock Your Phone

 


 

 

From
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/now-illegal-unlock-cellphone/story?id=18319
518
By JOANNA STERN

You likely have a cellphone that you bought from a carrier, like ATT,
Verizon or Sprint, and that phone only works on that carrier's cellular and
data network -- unless you unlock it.

That is a software process that allows the phone to work on other carriers
if you put in a new SIM card or want to take the phone to another carrier
for service.

If that sounds complicated to you and like something you wouldn't bother
with, then today's news won't matter to you. But if that's something you've
done before or have thought about doing, then you should know that starting
today it is illegal to unlock a subsidized phone or tablet that's bought
through a U.S. carrier.

Why now? Starting today, the U.S. Copyright Office and Library of Congress
are no longer allowing phone unlocking as an exemption under the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

You can read the full docket here but, in short, it is illegal to unlock a
phone from a carrier unless you have that carrier's permission to do so. If
you're wondering what this has to do with copyright, it turns out not much.

It wasn't a good ruling, Rebecca Jeschke, a digital rights analyst at the
Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), told ABC News. You should be able to
unlock your phone. This law was meant to combat copyright infringement, not
to prevent people to do what they want to do with the device they bought.

Of course, the carriers prefer the new rule because it ties your phone to
their network. U.S. cellular carriers sell phones at a subsidized or
discounted rate with a contract. You pay the network for service on a
monthly basis and they give you the phone for a cheaper price than it
actually is worth.

When it was legal, people may have unlocked their phone to resell it when
they upgraded to a newer model or to use it with an overseas carrier and
take advantage of local rates when they traveled abroad.

If your phone has already been unlocked, you are grandfathered in and won't
face any legal issues. But what could happen if you unlocked your phone now
that it's illegal?

Violations of the DMCA [unlocking your phone] may be punished with a civil
suit or, if the violation was done for commercial gain, it may be prosecuted
as a criminal act, Brad Shear, a Washington, D.C.-area attorney and blogger
who is an expert on social media and technology law, told ABC News. A
carrier may sue for actual damages or for statutory damages.

The worst-case scenario for an individual or civil offense could be as much
as a $2,500 fine. As for those planning to profit off of the act or a
criminal offense -- such as a cellphone reseller -- the fine could be as
high as $500,000 and include prison time.

I don't see carriers going aggressively after people, but bottom line is
that I would not recommend violating this provision of the law, Shear said.

Jeschke said that the EFF hasn't heard of anybody who faced legal action
during an earlier period when it was illegal to unlock phones in the U.S.
before a prior rule change made it legal several years ago.

In 2015, there will be another rule making over the exemptions and,
according to Jeschke, the question of the legality or illegality of
unlocking a phone will likely be revisited.

It's unfortunate that the copyright office walked back this exemption to
the DMCA, but the carriers are already shipping unlocked devices like the
iPhone 5, so the impact on average consumers won't be too bad, said Nilay
Patel, a former patent attorney and managing editor of The Verge.

Apple and Verizon offer an unlocked iPhone 5 for $649.00 and the Nexus 4 is
available for $299.99 right from Google and T-Mobile.

Or, if you're really upset with the latest rule change, you can sign a We
the People petition on the White House's website that calls for the
Librarian of Congress to rescind this decision, and failing that, champion
a bill that makes unlocking permanently legal. 

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RE: [IDevices] It's Now Illegal to Unlock Your Phone

[David Tanner]

No, it isn't.  I actually heard about it first on the evening news last
Friday evening.  It is true, and I guess there can be fines and possibly
jail time after multiple repeated occurances.

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [IDevices] It's Now Illegal to Unlock Your Phone

 

This is ludicrus!  For one thing, it states in this mail that we're
grandfathered in if we already unlocked.  Hmm, G, so how do they know if we
did it a year ago, or if we did it just now?  And how would they prove it?
I'm sorry, but I'm calling a bullshit on this one.  I'm not saying you, as
the sender of this message to the list are wrong, but I wonder if this is
actually a hoax.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.

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From: David Tanner mailto:david.tanner...@gmail.com  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:08 AM

Subject: FW: [IDevices] It's Now Illegal to Unlock Your Phone

 

 

 

From: IDevices [mailto:idevices-boun...@gatewayfortheblind.com] On Behalf Of
Trish Zoellers Scott
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:27 AM
To: Gateway IOS Devices
Subject: [IDevices] It's Now Illegal to Unlock Your Phone

 


 

 

From
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/now-illegal-unlock-cellphone/story?id=18319
518
By JOANNA STERN

You likely have a cellphone that you bought from a carrier, like ATT,
Verizon or Sprint, and that phone only works on that carrier's cellular and
data network -- unless you unlock it.

That is a software process that allows the phone to work on other carriers
if you put in a new SIM card or want to take the phone to another carrier
for service.

If that sounds complicated to you and like something you wouldn't bother
with, then today's news won't matter to you. But if that's something you've
done before or have thought about doing, then you should know that starting
today it is illegal to unlock a subsidized phone or tablet that's bought
through a U.S. carrier.

Why now? Starting today, the U.S. Copyright Office and Library of Congress
are no longer allowing phone unlocking as an exemption under the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

You can read the full docket here but, in short, it is illegal to unlock a
phone from a carrier unless you have that carrier's permission to do so. If
you're wondering what this has to do with copyright, it turns out not much.

It wasn't a good ruling, Rebecca Jeschke, a digital rights analyst at the
Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), told ABC News. You should be able to
unlock your phone. This law was meant to combat copyright infringement, not
to prevent people to do what they want to do with the device they bought.

Of course, the carriers prefer the new rule because it ties your phone to
their network. U.S. cellular carriers sell phones at a subsidized or
discounted rate with a contract. You pay the network for service on a
monthly basis and they give you the phone for a cheaper price than it
actually is worth.

When it was legal, people may have unlocked their phone to resell it when
they upgraded to a newer model or to use it with an overseas carrier and
take advantage of local rates when they traveled abroad.

If your phone has already been unlocked, you are grandfathered in and won't
face any legal issues. But what could happen if you unlocked your phone now
that it's illegal?

Violations of the DMCA [unlocking your phone] may be punished with a civil
suit or, if the violation was done for commercial gain, it may be prosecuted
as a criminal act, Brad Shear, a Washington, D.C.-area attorney and blogger
who is an expert on social media and technology law, told ABC News. A
carrier may sue for actual damages or for statutory damages.

The worst-case scenario for an individual or civil offense could be as much
as a $2,500 fine. As for those planning to profit off of the act or a
criminal offense -- such as a cellphone reseller -- the fine could be as
high as $500,000 and include prison time.

I don't see carriers going aggressively after people, but bottom line is
that I would not recommend violating this provision of the law, Shear said.

Jeschke said that the EFF hasn't heard of anybody who faced legal action
during an earlier period when it was illegal to unlock phones in the U.S.
before a prior rule change made it legal several years ago.

In 2015, there will be another rule making over the exemptions and,
according to Jeschke, the question of the legality or illegality of
unlocking a phone will likely be revisited.

It's unfortunate that the copyright office walked back this exemption to
the DMCA, but the carriers are already shipping unlocked devices

Re: Blindy.tv - Please spread the word about it

[David Tanner]

The problem is the FCC rule says one thing, but the cable folks aren't 
following the rules, and nobody seems to want to take on folks like Comcast.



- Original Message - 
From: Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Blindy.tv - Please spread the word about it


I wish that were the cue here in British columbia, Canada.
On 2013-01-20, at 5:32 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:


you bet it really matters.
And yes they do.
As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same cable networks 
must provide audio described content, and they are doing i, every single 
week.
all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must provide the 
content as well...with  additional markets  joining each year.
why  should anyone invest in population who is simply going to steal 
property.
cable providers and satellites providers must insure that you can access 
the described content.
I do not have the link to post now, but program listings and details are 
on the ACB website.

frankly I find this exclusionary and distasteful.
consumers who happen to score differently on an eye chart, must be 
segregated to stolen property on the Internet Never mind that Hollywood 
films and television shows air each week with  described content.
are you so lacking in personal dignity that you feel stolen property is 
all you deserve?

Especially since the entire thing could be done legally?
Is to some extent already.
No one is going to value you if you do not value yourselves, document that 
there is a market, use what the FCC is doing to enhance the ability for 
everyone to enjoy television as they choose.



Karen

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote:


Hmm. Does it really matter? No one else seems to provide this, do they?
On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
wrote:



ahem,
they do have the legal right to run this service with this content?
Karen

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Are their any UK channels?  Do you think we could have an IOS App so 
that we can watch this service anywhere we go and we're not tied to the 
computer?  I like this service.


Kawal.

On 20 Jan 2013, at 07:51 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I do like this service. Its pretty good, I can finally watch sci-fi, 
and therefore can watch star trek! :)
On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Matt Dierckens 
matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi folks,
I have been given permission to post about this from another list. 
This is a great service.

Check it out and please spread the word.
Blindy.tv
Have you ever wanted to watch TV with audio description but can't get 
the track on your tv? Well, now you can...sort of. Have a look at 
this.

http://www.blindy.tv
This project was created so that everyone could watch TV episodes 
with audio description. Every show (except the brain channel) has 
described content. You can switch channels just like with an actual 
TV. So far,
their are 5 channels. Comedy, Drama, Si-fi, Brain and ETC. More may 
be added if needed. Each show is either 30 or 60 minutes long. After 
the show their are commercials (better than on TV, I can promise you 
that), a news segment or comedy skit, and some instrumental music at 
the top and bottom of each hour.
To access this place, you can do one of two things: You can either go 
to the website linked above and used the web players, or, if you'd 
rather listen in your media player of choice, place this link into 
it.
This will load all channels, and you can use the next and previous 
controls to move through the different channels.

http://blindy.tv/all.m3u
Please give any suggestions or criticisms you have. Feedback is 
always welcome. If you like the service, let us know. If you do not, 
tell us  what we could do to fix it up. Please spread the word if you 
like it.

Enjoy!

Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692

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Re: Blindy.tv - Please spread the word about it

[David Tanner]

You know what, the regulations you state here have been in place for over 6 
months and Comcast still is not providing these even on request they claim 
that they are still looking into it.


So, are you saying it is alright for Comcast to break the law and not follow 
FCC rules or Direct TV to not follow the rules, but we shouldn't take 
advantage of an opportunity to get this service just because sighted people 
rule the world and are the only folks allowed to have a choice about what 
they can watch and what they can't.  And, if they don't want us to have that 
same right it is ok not to follow the FCC regulations?



- Original Message - 
From: Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Blindy.tv - Please spread the word about it


depending on where you are, the source of your programming, your
cable provider or satellites provider is required to make that work for you.
In fact you can file an FCC complaint now if they do not.
Additionally, efforts going on to make those menus work easily will not
get much support if people are just going to circulate avenues  to stolen
property.
And you wonder why the author's guild fears making books work?
What is keeping programs with audio descriptions from getting sponsorship
the way captioning does?
The attitude that those getting the description do not deserve to be
treated like the rest of the consumer marketplace.
They can and will just steal it and circulate it as if this is perfectly
fine.
You cannot have it both ways, either you deserve a respected place at the
audience
market table regardless of how differently you view that table, or you
deserve the stolen crumbs  from that table.






On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote:

Thanks for that. If I can figure out how the menus on my TV work, I will 
certainly use what the FCC has provided.
On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
wrote:



you bet it really matters.
And yes they do.
As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same cable networks 
must provide audio described content, and they are doing i, every single 
week.
all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must provide the 
content as well...with  additional markets  joining each year.
why  should anyone invest in population who is simply going to steal 
property.
cable providers and satellites providers must insure that you can access 
the described content.
I do not have the link to post now, but program listings and details are 
on the ACB website.

frankly I find this exclusionary and distasteful.
consumers who happen to score differently on an eye chart, must be 
segregated to stolen property on the Internet Never mind that Hollywood 
films and television shows air each week with  described content.
are you so lacking in personal dignity that you feel stolen property is 
all you deserve?

Especially since the entire thing could be done legally?
Is to some extent already.
No one is going to value you if you do not value yourselves, document 
that there is a market, use what the FCC is doing to enhance the ability 
for everyone to enjoy television as they choose.



Karen

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote:


Hmm. Does it really matter? No one else seems to provide this, do they?
On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
wrote:



ahem,
they do have the legal right to run this service with this content?
Karen

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Are their any UK channels?  Do you think we could have an IOS App so 
that we can watch this service anywhere we go and we're not tied to 
the computer?  I like this service.


Kawal.

On 20 Jan 2013, at 07:51 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I do like this service. Its pretty good, I can finally watch sci-fi, 
and therefore can watch star trek! :)
On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Matt Dierckens 
matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi folks,
I have been given permission to post about this from another list. 
This is a great service.

Check it out and please spread the word.
Blindy.tv
Have you ever wanted to watch TV with audio description but can't 
get the track on your tv? Well, now you can...sort of. Have a look 
at this.

http://www.blindy.tv
This project was created so that everyone could watch TV episodes 
with audio description. Every show (except the brain channel) has 
described content. You can switch channels just like with an actual 
TV. So far,
their are 5 channels. Comedy, Drama, Si-fi, Brain and ETC. More may 
be added if needed. Each show is either 30 or 60 minutes long. After 
the show their are commercials (better than on TV, I can promise you 
that), a news segment or comedy skit, and some instrumental music at 
the top and bottom of each hour.
To access this place, you can do one of two things: You can either 
go to the website linked above and used the web players, or, if 
you'd rather 

Re: Blindy.tv - Please spread the word about it

[David Tanner]

You really must be dreaming!  The big cable companies will only react if it 
starts to hurt their profits.  So maybe a big class action lawsuite against 
the biggest ones out there supported by both ACB and NFB that goes for a 
monitary settlement large enough to hurt those companies and provide the 
money required to be sure that any blind person in the U. S. can have equal 
access to cable tv might make them change their tune.


Comcast knows that they are not following the regulations, but they also 
know they have a lot more money to fight with than a blind person requesting 
the service.


- Original Message - 
From: Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Blindy.tv - Please spread the word about it


The same energy the Mice is using to  circulate stolen movies and the same
energy these folks are using to circulate stolen content could  be used to
insure that information gets circulated.
The laws are new, have you any idea how many cable providers and satellites
companies would jump if people started calling and emailing, informing them
of the regulation and asking for what they are entitled to have as a
paying customer?
Most  stuff is done because of ignorance industry wise.  You must
demonstrate that you are a market for those providing  content to
that market...and many benefit from audio descriptions, just like many
benefit from audio books or voice over or  etc.
No matter what your income level or place in society you are a consumer.
they will take you seriously not because they should  to feel good, but
because you are a consumer...when more of you start acting like one that
is.
You pay their wages, buy their products and keep them functioning...never
mind your score on an eye chart.

I appreciate   that you understand the  difference.
Still, as with many groups in the human family, some are very invested in 
the victim

mentality.  I deserve to cheat on my wife / husband or to have an e-book
without copyright protection, or to get  stolen downloads because my eyes
work differently.
Lots of people do it, my skin, my social status, my use of or non-use of
the language. the world owes me just because, I choose to think I got a
bad hand.
Those freedom seekers are distorting freedom.
and  as Mark twain put it, do not say the world owes you anything...it was
here first.


On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote:

My view on it is, that if I can get it to work, then I will not look back. 
The illegal ways don't have all the content anyways, I know for sure that 
not all Star Trek, Next Generation episodes are available. So, if I can 
figure out how to take the most advantage out of the FCC's way of doing 
it, then I certainly will. I think there will always be those who will 
pirate, so that they can take the content everywhere, and use it in any 
way. But I think that if there was more abundant info on how to get the TV 
set up with the audio description, and how to do it with as many TVs as 
possible, mine being a Visio for instance, I think many will switch to 
that method, as that will mean that they can sit there with the family and 
all will be able to enjoy the same content. But, as twith the sited 
people, there will always be those freedom seekers who want to do 
everything with all the content they can, no matter how little the 
content.
On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
wrote:


depending on where you are, the source of your programming, your cable 
provider or satellites provider is required to make that work for you.

In fact you can file an FCC complaint now if they do not.
Additionally, efforts going on to make those menus work easily will not 
get much support if people are just going to circulate avenues  to stolen 
property.

And you wonder why the author's guild fears making books work?
What is keeping programs with audio descriptions from getting sponsorship 
the way captioning does?
The attitude that those getting the description do not deserve to be 
treated like the rest of the consumer marketplace.
They can and will just steal it and circulate it as if this is perfectly 
fine.
You cannot have it both ways, either you deserve a respected place at the 
audience market table regardless of how differently you view that table, 
or you deserve the stolen crumbs  from that table.







On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote:

Thanks for that. If I can figure out how the menus on my TV work, I will 
certainly use what the FCC has provided.
On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
wrote:



you bet it really matters.
And yes they do.
As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same cable 
networks must provide audio described content, and they are doing i, 
every single week.
all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must provide 
the content as well...with  additional markets  joining each year.
why  

How To Deauthorize A System You No longer Own

[David Tanner]

Does anyone know how one could deauthorize a computer in iTunes when you no 
longer have the computer.  I have run out of authorizations on my iTunes 
account and two of the systems that were authorized I can't deauthorize because 
I no longer have those two machines.  
David Tanner - Host
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Re: How To Deauthorize A System You No longer Own

[David Tanner]

Thank you.  I was hopeing that there was a way to do that.

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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: How To Deauthorize A System You No longer Own


Find a computer you can use; pc or mac, sign in with your apple ID on 
iTunes, then you can de-authorize the computers.
From the view my account menu, view your account. Then click on manage 
devices. On the manage devices screen, you can remove the computers you no 
longer own.


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Re: air play speaker recommendations?

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The exact name is SoundLink.  Sorry, I thought it was two separate words.


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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 2:01 AM
  Subject: RE: air play speaker recommendations?


  Exact name?

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:46 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: air play speaker recommendations?

   

  My personal choice, and it has bluetooth and Airplay is the Bose SoundLink.  
Excellent sound, plenty of power, 8 hours plus battery life per charge, and the 
size is small enough to carry along along with a laptop, and still not break 
your arm.  About the size of a college textbook.  Order on line for the best 
deal on it and a lot of other Bose products.

   

   

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Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:03 PM

Subject: air play speaker recommendations?

 

Okay, don't like a lot of cords running along the wall.  So what seems to 
be everyone's favorite airplay speaker of choice?  Want quality.  Thanks.

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Re: air play speaker recommendations?

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My personal choice, and it has bluetooth and Airplay is the Bose SoundLink.  
Excellent sound, plenty of power, 8 hours plus battery life per charge, and the 
size is small enough to carry along along with a laptop, and still not break 
your arm.  About the size of a college textbook.  Order on line for the best 
deal on it and a lot of other Bose products.


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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:03 PM
  Subject: air play speaker recommendations?


  Okay, don't like a lot of cords running along the wall.  So what seems to be 
everyone's favorite airplay speaker of choice?  Want quality.  Thanks.


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Re: Comments on third party iPod Touch

[David Tanner]

The sound is much better on the iTouch 5.  It isn't as good as the iPhone, 
but it certainly has improved very much.  I had a iTouch 3 and recently got 
an iTouch 5 and the cound is tons better, and also much better than the 
iTouch 4.



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Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: Comments on third party iPod Touch


Sorry for the strange subject lline, but one of my twin half brothers, who 
is 12 years old, received the 5th generation iPod Touch 32 Gb for 
Christmas. He is not a VoiceOver or other assistive technology user. I 
have to say from what I have heard it both sounds and looks awesome 
compared to the 4th generation. I heard a bit of music on it tonight, and 
while the audio is still tinny, it is if anything louder. I was pleased 
about this as a hearing impaired user. With the music as the factory set 
volume I was able to hear the lyrics and instrumentation.

So as a result I may invest in one of these in the future.
Hope you all had a nice Apple filled Christmas grin.

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Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon

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Yes, there is large print on the Mac, but it does not have nearly the 
features that Zoomtext to make the computer much easier to use for the low 
vision user.  If Zoomtext offers the level of features on the Mac that they 
do in Windows they are sure to attract a lot of low vision users because the 
support will be much fuller than with Zooms.


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon


Should be interesting to see if that sells at all, the mac already 
includes zoom for magnification and voice over for reading, these can also 
be used at the same time. If people buy it, great, but they're taking a 
huge gamble.

Original message:
Just to let everyone know, Ai Squared is close to releasing a version of 
ZoomText for the Mac. First release will be Magnification + Enhancements 
only to be followed by reading functionality.



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Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon

[David Tanner]

While I would still agree with your statement about Narrator.  You ought to 
take a look at what Microsoft has done with Narrator in Windows 8.  It has 
come a long way from where it was before.  It is really usable now.


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon


Hi Alex,

There's a bit of confusion here. I may get myself in trouble here, but I 
will say this: the off-the-shelf accessibility on the Mac is notches more 
complex than the off-the-shelf accessibility in Windows. I haven't used Zoom 
for the Mac, and don't know if it has the same magnification features as 
ZoomText. Someone else can speak to that. However, if I were to choose 
between Narrator for Windows and Voiceover for the Mac, there just isn't a 
comparison, and I really wouldn't try. Voiceover winds hands-down. It's a 
fact that there are more accessibility features in the Mac screen-reader 
than for Narrator. Again, I can't speak to Zoom for Mac, so I don't know if 
the parallel for magnification is valid.


Teresa


Visualize whirled peas.

On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:


I'm not a large print user at all, but it seems to me that saying
windows already has zoom is like saying Narrator is already a screen
reader. Does it read things on the screen? Sure, but comparing that to
Voiceover is ridiculous. I hope AI Squared does well with this, I just
don't know if it will happen.

On 11/29/12, Doug Hacker dhac...@gmail.com wrote:

Mike,

The same is true on the Windows platform but Ai Squared does a very good
business there, no reason to think it would be any different on the Mac
side. Visually impaired Mac users want the same thing as their Windows
counterparts.

- Better font smoothing
- Better tracking
- Cursor, pointer and focus enhancements
- Color schemes
- More efficient reading tools for VI users


On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:


Should be interesting to see if that sells at all, the mac already
includes zoom for magnification and voice over for reading, these can 
also

be used at the same time. If people buy it, great, but they're taking a
huge gamble.
Original message:
Just to let everyone know, Ai Squared is close to releasing a version 
of
ZoomText for the Mac. First release will be Magnification + 
Enhancements

only to be followed by reading functionality.



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Re: Braille displays

[David Tanner]

Do you have a choice as far as number of cells?

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Subject: Braille displays


I am looking for a portable Braille display that works well with both a Mac 
and Windows computer and an IPhone.

Does anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks.
Amber

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Re: Blocking Email Senders?

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This is far from the first time this list has turned into a disgusting place to 
be.  I have recommended NVDA, I have interviewed Mike several times for 
MainMenu, and I have a lot of respect for him, and for the entire development 
team.  But, I have to say that given the ongoing problems with this mailinglist 
I hesitate to recommend that anyone interested in NVDA subscribe to this list 
because there is far to high a chance that they will see some of the most 
disgusting dirt on this list that one could see anywhere.  And, if I were the 
developers of NVDA they would do well to insist that this list either be 
cleaned up or go away.

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


  OK, but this sender, believe me, I have a damn good idea who she's referring 
to, is persistent!  If he finds you're not answerring him for a reason or 
another, he'll create a fake e-mail and then harass you with it.  I probably 
have over literally 200 e-mail address he's created which by me reading the 
e-mail headers, I found out it was actually him.  I wish I could block e-mail 
regardless the address, coming from a particular I P address, but I don't think 
that's possible on any! O S.  Even if it was, his I P is not static.  I think 
it's dynamic, so, there went that idea.  Unfortunately, my I S P won't do 
anything about it either.

  Chris.


  Thank you kindly,

  Christopher-Mark Gilland.
  Founder of CLG Productions

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  Send me a fax from any standard fax machine:
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  Google Voice: (Please use sparingly):
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- Original Message - 
From: Ray Foret Jr 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


I have found that setting up a rule which causes all unwanted e-mails from 
an undesirable sender to be deleted works fairly well; though, not perfectly. 




Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!


Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!


Skype name:
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  Hi, all,

  I'm being inundated with spam by a particular email address. I'm 
wondering how to block it, as I'm getting messages every five minutes.

  Thanks,

  Teresa

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Re: Fast scanner that works on the mac

[David Tanner]

Don,

It is not a problem.  There is a Mac driver for the 210 and the 200.

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Subject: Re: Fast scanner that works on the mac



I have the successor to yours the 210 and you don't have to wait for the
light to come up to temperature and it is pretty fast.

Not using it on my mac though although I don't think that would be a
problem.

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Re: Best braille display

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At this time I can't think of any displays that small that do not have a 
Braille Perkins style keyboard on them.


- Original Message - 
From: Emrah li...@kavun.ch

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:45 PM
Subject: Best braille display


Hi folks,

What is your recommendation for a braille display that is well suited to 
mobility, offers excellent warrantee, is discrete and has good battery life?
I guess I am looking at something under 20 characters, and I don't need 
braille input / typing on the display.


Along with your recommendation, a pricing range would be most appreciated…

Thanks in advance and all the best,
Emrah

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Re: siriusxm

[David Tanner]

You cannot get just an on-line subscription.  I tried to drop down to that 
from having a radio, but I was told that you must have at least 1 radio.  So 
that is what I have, 1 raadio and an internet subscription that I use with 
Music Doc.



- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: siriusxm



Hi Pam. You're 100% correct. You can get most of the content in
similar flavors on the web, so there is really no point to subscribing
unless you're looking for sports coverage. There are ways around this
too, though some of them aren't for the less technically oriented, and
probably shouldn't be discussed on list as it's a sort of gray area. I
have tried tu sign up for a subscription a few times, since I wanted
the online only option, but couldn't seem to do so through their
website. I'm certainly not the most advanced screen reader user, but I
consider myself well above average when it comes to navigating the web
with either Safari, Firefox, or Internet Explorer. When I contacted
their customer service people on 3 different occasions, I had such a
difficult time understanding them and they had trouble understanding
me, that I resorted to sending the company emails. Sadly, my questions
were never answered. So they lose out on a customer who would have
paid for the programming because of some specific content, which I'll
have to get elsewhere. It's pretty pathetic when they don't even make
it easy to take your money...

Scott

On 10/11/12, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com wrote:

It was me asking thank you
On 2012-10-11 6:13 AM, Pam Francis ppowell...@aol.com wrote:


Hi folks,
In a previous thread, someone was asking about the accessibility
to the siriusxm site.
I have until recently subscribed for several years. I finally gave it up
largely to its inaccessibility.
When Sirius  XM were separate entities, their respective sites were
somewhat usable. However, since the merger, the flash  all of the
pretties
for the sighted community's benefit told me they no longer wanted my
money
nor my patronage. Their ipad App is half usable. Last I knew, their
iphone
app was still crap.
I realize we as visually impaired consumers can not stomp our feet 
throw
tantrums; however, if a service takes our money as a subscription
as does siriusxm, or services like it, we deserve a means to facilitate
our business along side our sighted counterparts.
As a general rule their customer service is outsourced
to other parts of the world. Seldom did I find anyone who would help me
take care of anything supposedly accessible on the site. I wish those
luck
who try. I have found plenty of accessible content on the web that more
than makes up for the inadequacies of siriusxm.

Pam Francis

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Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad

[David Tanner]

Ok, I admit I haven't used the app for 6 months or more, but the last I used it 
you couldn't get out of one channel and go to another channel using VoiceOver.  
Has that changed.  Finding the first channel went fine, but there was no 
accessible way to change channels.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


  May I say something without sounding very rude, as I tend to normally do?  

  How much effort really did your friend put into it?  Second of all, no 
offense but are you basing this opinion on that of what your friend said, or 
that on what you personally yourself has seen?  I totally totally agree with 
you that the app isn't very good, not at all, but come on, it's not that! bad.  
I agree, I'd not use it... I'd use Musicdock instead, but it's not that bad.  I 
still can browse genres, and the different channels, and get them to play.  
It's definitely a bit clunky, in your defense, I definitely'll give ya that, 
but it can be done.

  Also, again, this is only an opinion, not a fact, so take it as such, but I 
completely disagree with what you said on the quality of music.  There have 
been things on XM I've heard, that I'd never dream of hearing on regular FM 
radio.  I may hear it on fm radio, but, not necessarily.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Pam Francis 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


Matt please ask a question? Since when did Sirius XM app become accessible 
at thing has always been a piece of junk. I had a friend who told me that he 
could get around it a little easier, however it still was not quality that it 
should've been. I dump Sirius XM primarily because their app was so crappy. I 
find I'm able to get the same quality of music on the radio on the Internet for 
free

Pam Francis

On Sep 29, 2012, at 2:21 PM, David Tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I have the MusicDoc software and really like it, but I have noticed 
justrecently that some of the channels have changed and they have not yet 
changed on Music Doc to reflect the channel change on XM.  Is there anything we 
can do to get that changed so we are getting the right channel on MusicDoc?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


  Glad to help.  Let me know if I can help you any further with it.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Krysti .Power 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


Thanks Chris

On Saturday, September 29, 2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  It does, yes, fairly decently, but, may I please make a suggestion to 
make your life way easier?  Get an app from the app store called Musicdock.

  That's all one word smished together.  Think Music Dock, only run the 
two words together.  It's free, don't worry.  I mean, ok, obviously you'll have 
to have a Sirius XM Radio subscription, which you gotta pay for, but you 
probably know that already.

  I'd highly highly recommend it!  I use it all the time.  I mean, ok, 
the native app works just fine, but I find the screen ever? so slightly 
cluttered.  I just find the interface way less sloppy in Musicdock, but again, 
that's me, don't take it as gospel.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Krysti .Power 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


Does it work with vo 

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Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad

[David Tanner]

I have the MusicDoc software and really like it, but I have noticed 
justrecently that some of the channels have changed and they have not yet 
changed on Music Doc to reflect the channel change on XM.  Is there anything we 
can do to get that changed so we are getting the right channel on MusicDoc?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


  Glad to help.  Let me know if I can help you any further with it.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Krysti .Power 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


Thanks Chris

On Saturday, September 29, 2012, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  It does, yes, fairly decently, but, may I please make a suggestion to 
make your life way easier?  Get an app from the app store called Musicdock.

  That's all one word smished together.  Think Music Dock, only run the two 
words together.  It's free, don't worry.  I mean, ok, obviously you'll have to 
have a Sirius XM Radio subscription, which you gotta pay for, but you probably 
know that already.

  I'd highly highly recommend it!  I use it all the time.  I mean, ok, the 
native app works just fine, but I find the screen ever? so slightly cluttered.  
I just find the interface way less sloppy in Musicdock, but again, that's me, 
don't take it as gospel.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Krysti .Power 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Sirus XM app iPod iPad


Does it work with vo 

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Re: I O S 6 Bug: Accessibility seriously broken

[David Tanner]

No problems as reported here either.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Ring 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:17 AM
  Subject: Re: I O S 6 Bug: Accessibility seriously broken


  Using an iPhone 4S and iOS6, I cannot duplicate the issues that have been 
reported.


  I'm proud to be one of the 47 per cent!
  richr...@gmail.com


  On Sep 22, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Laura M laura.mcgl...@gmail.com wrote:


I don't have any issues here, either. Also using a 5 and a 4S.




On Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:34:12 PM UTC+1, Robert Carter wrote:
  That is very interesting. Like Ricardo, the table index and tabs are 
working as expected for me as well. This is both on the 4s and iPhone 5. 

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Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS

[David Tanner]

That's my point.  The notes app certainly will work, and I have used it with 
deaf-blind clients in the past, but this app will make it better because it 
is designed to work better for them in seeing the conversation and knowing 
what they said and what the other person said.  They aalso can save the 
conversation if they wish.


I am not a Humanware employee either, but I was on the betateam for this 
app, and it is nice for those who need it.  But, that isn't the average 
blind person.


I wish the price was lower, but I do understand why they need to charge what 
they are with the hope of recovering at least some of the cost of research 
and development.




- Original Message - 
From: Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS


Yes but we're not deafblind so we wouldn't see the point in paying for it. 
It is a significant reduction to their stand alone device.
If this app encourages more deafblind people to get iPhones, and use texting 
etc, and discover how easy email is, it may encourage more use of braille 
and greater literacy among deafblind people.
No, I don't work for Humanware, and would use the notes app myself if I were 
communicating with a deafblind person, but I think it's not aimed at us. 
Slagging off another company without really knowing about the issues is not 
helpful.

On 9/09/2012, at 2:25 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:


Let me ask this then: how is this so different from using the notes
app? Also, the cost per year for being an apple developer is $100. Do
they really plan on selling so few that they have to charge as much as
they pay apple for a year for just one app purchase? Yes, I realize
they get only 66% of the cost, but still... $100 for a text entry app?
I really don't see it.

On 9/8/12, David Tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com wrote:

No, you guys don't understand what is going on with this app.  It is
primarily an app that most blind folks wouldn't want.  It is so that a
deaf-blind can do face-to-face communications with another person.  Yes, 
it


looks pretty simple, but when you look at development costs and realize 
that


you aren't going to sell a whole lot of apps when you are only really
selling to a limited size deaf-blind community then the cost is going to 
be


higher than for an app that blind and sighted people would want to
purchase.

Again, it is a great app for those who need it, and actually drops the 
price


for communications for a deaf-blind person by thousands of dollars from 
the


$8,000 price of the deaf-Blind Communicator that Humanware has been 
selling


since 2009.  So, even if you add the cost of the app, a $2,500 or so
bluetooth Braille display and an iPhone it cuts the price in half or 
more.


- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS


Well, this is humanware after all. For those not in the know, let me
tell you about their latest major keysoft update (which takes one sma
count). It costs $200 for an sma, giving you two upgrades, or $135 for
a single upgrade if you do not have an sma. Keeping that in mind,
here's the long list of features they included in the last paid
update:
* a translator that can convert the text in pdf files to .txt files.
* bug fixes, including a fix for the braille terminal mode on qt units
(to fix something they broke in the previous update)
* a way for the bn to automatically use an active internet connection
without prompting the user to pick one each time (this rarely works as
advertised)

...and that's it. One feature, one interface change that doesn't work
right, and a fix for a previous mistake, all for the low price of
$135. Does this explain more about how they can charge $100 for a
simple app?

On 9/8/12, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
Perhaps the company are strapped for cash hence the new app so they 
think

people like us are made of money and if we are all stupid we'll buy not
any
one is stupid of course.
On 8 Sep 2012, at 20:09, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:


Um, well, put simply... nothing. True, hooking a display up to an iOS
device hides the onscreen keyboard, but in iOS6 I hear they will offer
a way to show it. Also, you get a buffer of past messages. Basically,
a program any decent coder could put together in, say a few days?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, though I really don't know if we'll
find anyone willing to throw away... rather, spend $100 on an app that
consists of a text fiel, list of messages, and keyboard.

On 9/8/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
This really is an honest question, but what does this app have that 
the

IOs
devices don't have natively. What would I be paying $100 to do?

Teresa

On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:53 AM

Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS

[David Tanner]

No, you guys don't understand what is going on with this app.  It is 
primarily an app that most blind folks wouldn't want.  It is so that a 
deaf-blind can do face-to-face communications with another person.  Yes, it 
looks pretty simple, but when you look at development costs and realize that 
you aren't going to sell a whole lot of apps when you are only really 
selling to a limited size deaf-blind community then the cost is going to be 
higher than for an app that blind and sighted people would want to purchase.


Again, it is a great app for those who need it, and actually drops the price 
for communications for a deaf-blind person by thousands of dollars from the 
$8,000 price of the deaf-Blind Communicator that Humanware has been selling 
since 2009.  So, even if you add the cost of the app, a $2,500 or so 
bluetooth Braille display and an iPhone it cuts the price in half or more.


- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS


Well, this is humanware after all. For those not in the know, let me
tell you about their latest major keysoft update (which takes one sma
count). It costs $200 for an sma, giving you two upgrades, or $135 for
a single upgrade if you do not have an sma. Keeping that in mind,
here's the long list of features they included in the last paid
update:
* a translator that can convert the text in pdf files to .txt files.
* bug fixes, including a fix for the braille terminal mode on qt units
(to fix something they broke in the previous update)
* a way for the bn to automatically use an active internet connection
without prompting the user to pick one each time (this rarely works as
advertised)

...and that's it. One feature, one interface change that doesn't work
right, and a fix for a previous mistake, all for the low price of
$135. Does this explain more about how they can charge $100 for a
simple app?

On 9/8/12, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

Perhaps the company are strapped for cash hence the new app so they think
people like us are made of money and if we are all stupid we'll buy not 
any

one is stupid of course.
On 8 Sep 2012, at 20:09, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:


Um, well, put simply... nothing. True, hooking a display up to an iOS
device hides the onscreen keyboard, but in iOS6 I hear they will offer
a way to show it. Also, you get a buffer of past messages. Basically,
a program any decent coder could put together in, say a few days?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, though I really don't know if we'll
find anyone willing to throw away... rather, spend $100 on an app that
consists of a text fiel, list of messages, and keyboard.

On 9/8/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

This really is an honest question, but what does this app have that the
IOs
devices don't have natively. What would I be paying $100 to do?

Teresa

On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Maccessibility nore...@maccessibility.net
wrote:


Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'The Humanware Communicator for
iOS'

Humanware has released The Humanware Communicator app for iOS, priced 
at

a
staggering $99.99 US. From the description:
The HumanWare Communicator application is intended to establish a text
conversation between a deaf-blind person and a sighted person. All
interaction appears both on the deaf-blind person’s refreshable Braille
display, as well as visually on the [...]


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Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS

[David Tanner]

Well, maybe they only pay $100 to be a developer, but what about all the 
time spent developing an app.  Are programmers suppose to live on air/?  If 
you don't pay a developer for their development time they aren't going to be 
a developer for long.  It does cost money for a developer to live, pay their 
bills, etc.


The Notes app will work for what this does, but not as well for the 
deaf-blind user as this app does.  On the other hand I'm not sure it is 
really worth $99, but as an assistive technology specialist working with 
deaf-blind I do realize that it is difficult to find accessible 
communications tools for the deaf-blind person to use, and when you do they 
are typically going to be very expensive because the number of deaf-blind 
people is much smaller than the number of hearing blind folks.  Hearing 
blind people don't need this app unless they want to communicate with a 
deaf-blind person.


- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS


Let me ask this then: how is this so different from using the notes
app? Also, the cost per year for being an apple developer is $100. Do
they really plan on selling so few that they have to charge as much as
they pay apple for a year for just one app purchase? Yes, I realize
they get only 66% of the cost, but still... $100 for a text entry app?
I really don't see it.

On 9/8/12, David Tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com wrote:

No, you guys don't understand what is going on with this app.  It is
primarily an app that most blind folks wouldn't want.  It is so that a
deaf-blind can do face-to-face communications with another person.  Yes, 
it


looks pretty simple, but when you look at development costs and realize 
that


you aren't going to sell a whole lot of apps when you are only really
selling to a limited size deaf-blind community then the cost is going to 
be


higher than for an app that blind and sighted people would want to
purchase.

Again, it is a great app for those who need it, and actually drops the 
price


for communications for a deaf-blind person by thousands of dollars from 
the


$8,000 price of the deaf-Blind Communicator that Humanware has been 
selling


since 2009.  So, even if you add the cost of the app, a $2,500 or so
bluetooth Braille display and an iPhone it cuts the price in half or more.

- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Maccessibility] The Humanware Communicator for iOS


Well, this is humanware after all. For those not in the know, let me
tell you about their latest major keysoft update (which takes one sma
count). It costs $200 for an sma, giving you two upgrades, or $135 for
a single upgrade if you do not have an sma. Keeping that in mind,
here's the long list of features they included in the last paid
update:
* a translator that can convert the text in pdf files to .txt files.
* bug fixes, including a fix for the braille terminal mode on qt units
(to fix something they broke in the previous update)
* a way for the bn to automatically use an active internet connection
without prompting the user to pick one each time (this rarely works as
advertised)

...and that's it. One feature, one interface change that doesn't work
right, and a fix for a previous mistake, all for the low price of
$135. Does this explain more about how they can charge $100 for a
simple app?

On 9/8/12, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

Perhaps the company are strapped for cash hence the new app so they think
people like us are made of money and if we are all stupid we'll buy not
any
one is stupid of course.
On 8 Sep 2012, at 20:09, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:


Um, well, put simply... nothing. True, hooking a display up to an iOS
device hides the onscreen keyboard, but in iOS6 I hear they will offer
a way to show it. Also, you get a buffer of past messages. Basically,
a program any decent coder could put together in, say a few days?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, though I really don't know if we'll
find anyone willing to throw away... rather, spend $100 on an app that
consists of a text fiel, list of messages, and keyboard.

On 9/8/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

This really is an honest question, but what does this app have that the
IOs
devices don't have natively. What would I be paying $100 to do?

Teresa

On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Maccessibility nore...@maccessibility.net
wrote:


Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'The Humanware Communicator for
iOS'

Humanware has released The Humanware Communicator app for iOS, priced
at
a
staggering $99.99 US. From the description:
The HumanWare Communicator application is intended to establish a text
conversation between a deaf-blind person and a sighted person. All
interaction appears both

Re: Scanning program for the iPhone I felt

[David Tanner]

The camera on the iTouch 4 is not going to be good enough to successfully 
recognize text.


- Original Message - 
From: Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Scanning program for the iPhone I felt


Is it worth getting with an iPod Touch 4Th Gen?  Considering it but don't 
want to spend the money if I can't get good results.


Jane


On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:

Try Text Detective. It's an app that scans automatically without the need 
to take a photo of text. Works best with the 4S and is on applevis if you 
want to peruse the description and comments on it. Here's the link:


http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/textdetective

On Aug 19, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

absolutely none.  I've never got it to work once in over a year.  I 
eventually just erased it from my phone.


Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Aug 19, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:


Hi guys
I have Prismo and it works fine it's far as I can say. But my husband 
found a program called say text all one word by the way. The thing I 
really like about it is that it really makes a big loud beeping noise 
when you get your picture in focus and then you leave the iPhone still 
to take the picture. I was wondering what success set it you guys had 
using this app?


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[David Tanner]

I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out 
we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff, 
but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and 
energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should just jump into their 
minds how to do everything.


Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain 
Lion and study those and learn before complaining.


- Original Message - 
From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion


Hello All.

Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my 
opinion.


People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
their right to do so of course.


But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into 
shape.


So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and 
sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
something positive.


Kawal.

On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote:


And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
that it gets the job done.

Jim

On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:

Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
iss about.

It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.

I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
the significant upgrade is.

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Re: Mountain Lion Installation Question

[David Tanner]

Hi,

How big a USB drive do you need for making the USB bootable disk drive?

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Carter nc5rn...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Installation Question


Hi,

Extracting the dmg may help but I didn't do that either. Lion Disk Maker 
just found what it needed. I think the key may be to have both apps in your 
applications folder. I expect that is where the lion disk maker is looking 
for them but don't know this for sure. I just know that the instructions 
said to make the recovery USB drive just after the Mountain Lion installer 
is downloaded. This would mean that when you quit out of it to make the 
recovery USB that it would be in the applications folder.


Robert Carter


On Jul 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Allison,

Okay, that makes sense now.  I did not extract anything, so I'll give your 
suggestion a shot.


Les
On Jul 29, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Allison Mervis alliso...@gmail.com wrote:

You need to xtract the DMG   file from the install package first. When 
you're focused on the file you downloaded from the app store, hit VO 
shift M, and arrow down to explore package contents. Arrow around the 
folders until you find a DMG file. This is the actual image file for the 
installer. Copy this file to another location, then launch disk maker, 
and you should be good to go.

Allison
On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

I copied the file into my downloads folder and then launched Lion Disk 
Maker.  A dialog came up stating that the file could not be used to 
create the installation or something like that.  Wouldn't it make more 
sense at this point to just copy the installation file to my external 
drive?


Les
On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi,

ok.  After the download is complete, and that dialog pops up asking you 
to continue, go to your applications folder.  Look for the Mountain 
lion installer app in there.  Copy it and paste it to another folder in 
your finder.  Like documents for example.  Then laucn lion disk maker. 
It she find it now.  If it doesn't, use the browse feature and point it 
to the installer you just placed in another folder.


hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:43 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Ricardo,

I have Lion Disk Maker.  After downloading the Mountain Lion 
installation, I pressed Command Tab to go to the Finder and launched 
Lion Disk Maker from the applications window.  I then get a message 
that a copy of Mountain Lion could not be found and I have the 
opportunity to search for it.  I didn't go looking for it yet.  I went 
back to the App Store and quit out of the installation rather than 
choosing Continue.  What would you recommend doing since the process 
was not automatic for me.


Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi,

Its a piece of cake.  First, I recommend downloading Lion disk maker. 
A google search for that should get you what you need.  After that, 
download mountain Lion.  When the download is complete, you will get 
a dialog box asking you to press continue to proceed with the 
installation.  You can just ignore this for a minute.  Command tab to 
your finder and open Lion disk maker.  Just follow the prompts.  It 
will search your Mac for the Mountain Lion installation app which is 
temporarily saved in your applications folder.  It will then ask you 
what do you want to create the bootable disk with.  just choose your 
thumb drive and let it do its thing.  Thats it. your done.


hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com 
wrote:


One other question and I apologize if this has been asked multiple 
times. I

have had a hard time keeping up with the list do to travel.
Can someone please point me to a step by step creation of the 
installation
disc. I am going to use the 32 GB thumb drive this is a figh end 32 
GB Micro

key Flash drive.
Again thanks to all.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 14:30
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Hi,

just to add, you don't even need all of the 32GB drive either.  You 
can

creat a 8GB partition and make that the bootable drive.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi,

You need to quit the installer, and do not, I repeat, do not 
install it.
Once you do, the installer deletes itself after the system restarts 
into

ML.

Yes,