2 iPad 6th generations for sell, in perfect condition

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> Let me start by saying I was given permission to post this by the mod.  2nd 
> please do not reply on list, send all interest to
> apple.4.l...@icloud.com 
> Now to the good stuff.  2 iPad 6th generations 128GB for sale.  Decided to go 
> with the 2018 MacMini instead of using this for my computing needs.  One of 
> them has a slim folio keyboard that puts the iPad in land scape viewing mode 
> to type, although I could sell the keyboard separately.  Asking for the 
> bundle of iPad 128gb 6th gen and slim folio keyboard, 400 or best offer.  For 
> the other iPad, asking 375 or best offer.  Again, please contact me at
> apple.4.l...@icloud.com 
> Serious offers only
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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

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I was using phone also, but used the rotter to do everything with swiping.

> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I was not using a Mac. I was using my phone. Maybe it’s a different site.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:24 PM, 'Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I ordered my XS Max threw t-mobile, and had no issues either time, just 
>> click one the link in the email, switch to buttons on the roofer, and vo 
>> spacebar on it.
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, tim >> <mailto:mrga...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they 
>>> just sent it to me and added it to the bill.
>>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten >>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is 
>>>> that I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to 
>>>> wait while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from 
>>>> home online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my 
>>>> husband got home and could complete that final step.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer 
>>>> >>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week 
>>>>> and went strate to the t-mobile store.
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Mary Otten 
>>>>> mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
>>>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com>; 
>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>>>>>  
>>>>> I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through 
>>>>> T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having 
>>>>> problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of 
>>>>> experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile 
>>>>> was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link 
>>>>> that I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use 
>>>>> a service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do 
>>>>> with that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or 
>>>>> write your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see 
>>>>> this box, so this process is not accessible. The customer service person 
>>>>> at T-Mobile was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had 
>>>>> really no knowledge of this in accessible box. When my husband got home 
>>>>> tonight, he did the signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone 
>>>>> has found a way around this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to 
>>>>> me I’ve purchased an iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the 
>>>>> same process, only I don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I 
>>>>> didn’t have that stupid box. I wonder how others did with their online 
>>>>> purchases through carriers.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile

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I ordered my XS Max threw t-mobile, and had no issues either time, just click 
one the link in the email, switch to buttons on the roofer, and vo spacebar on 
it.

> On Oct 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, tim  wrote:
> 
> They must have started that this year. Because when I got my iPhone 8 they 
> just sent it to me and added it to the bill.
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, of course you wouldn’t have that problem at the store. My problem is 
>> that I did not want to have somebody take me to the store and then have to 
>> wait while we went through the process. I thought I could just do it from 
>> home online which I have done before. Not this time, at least not until my 
>> husband got home and could complete that final step.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:03 AM, matthew dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I never had that problem.  I just got my iPhone 8 Plus just last week 
>>> and went strate to the t-mobile store.
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > on behalf of Mary Otten 
>>> mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:33:24 PM
>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Inaccessible experience purchasing an iPhone through T-Mobile
>>>  
>>> I purchased, or I should say I pre-ordered, an iPhone XR today through 
>>> T-Mobile. I first tried on the website, but it kept saying it was having 
>>> problems loading and I should retry. So I ended up calling my “team of 
>>> experts“ on my current T-Mobile phone. The Customer Service from T-Mobile 
>>> was very good. The woman got my order and sent me an email with a link that 
>>> I had to use in order to electronically sign the document. They use a 
>>> service called Doc you sign. And the very last thing you have to do with 
>>> that service before you submit the order is to draw your initials or write 
>>> your name in a box on the page. Naturally, voiceover does not see this box, 
>>> so this process is not accessible. The customer service person at T-Mobile 
>>> was apparently on familiar with this process, as she had really no 
>>> knowledge of this in accessible box. When my husband got home tonight, he 
>>> did the signing. When I am curious about is whether anyone has found a way 
>>> around this ridiculous in accessible feature. It seems to me I’ve purchased 
>>> an iPhone a couple of years ago from T-Mobile using the same process, only 
>>> I don’t think it was doc you sign. Or if it was, I didn’t have that stupid 
>>> box. I wonder how others did with their online purchases through carriers.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A Charging Pad for iPhone 8 Plus

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> Here is the one I chose.  It got almost 5 stars, and only costs 25 bucks.  I 
> have been using it with my iPhone XS Max for over a week now.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H2YNPVP/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 


>  Oct 18, 2018, at 2:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for that,
> 
> I'll check it out on the apple website.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018 2:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Charging Pad for iPhone 8 Plus
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> There is no model number on the box.  All it says is Belkin BoostUp 7.5W 
> Special Edition Charging Pad.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:26 AM
> To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com'
> Subject: RE: A Charging Pad for iPhone 8 Plus
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Any chance you have a model number for this charging pad?
> 
> I'm currently looking for one myself and this sounds like a good buy.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Monday, 15 October 2018 5:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Charging Pad for iPhone 8 Plus
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I went to the Apple Store with a friend today and decided to purchase the 
> special edition Belkin charging pad for my beloved 8 Plus.  It was $20 more 
> than the original model but well worth it as I do not have to pay any special 
> attention to where I place my phone.  I just lay it on the pad and it begins 
> charging.  Nice.
> 
> Even better, the pad is rated at 7.5 watts, as opposed to the standard 5 watt 
> adapter that ships with the phone.  So, in addition to the added convenience, 
> the phone recharges faster on the pad than it would were I to use the 
> original A/C adapter that shipped with 8 Plus.  Very nice, indeed.
> 
> I have my 8 Plus in a leather Case Mate folio case with 4-card slots and a
> sleeve.   It basically look just like a wallet with four slots for credit
> cards, photo identification, paper money, etc.  
> 
> As the case does not impede the charger, there is no need to remove the phone 
> from the case when placing it on the pad; even nicer, still.
> 
> Very, very nice, (smile).
> 
> Mark
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Re: torrenting

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The Pirate Bay still works for a site, and the client I use is bitt torrent.

> On Oct 6, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> does anybody on here download torrents using their Mac? if so, what's your 
> preferred site and what torrent client do you use? 
> 
> I used to download from bitsnoop a lot but it's not there any more and all 
> torrent sites don't work the same way. 
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple's iPhone XS Has A Serious New Problem, Forbes

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My max charges in 65 minutes with no issues.  I am also using a iPad charger, 
not the standard that comes in the box.

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 11:02 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I won't bother going on a rant but i got to agree with this. I hate
> how long it normally takes for my phone to charge. You offer the damn
> charging standard but them give me stupid excuses about why I don't
> get it in the box. Perfectly fine with charging me 70 bucks for it
> though.
> 
> On 9/29/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Apple's iPhone XS Has A Serious New Problem
>> By Gordon Kelly, 8:20 pm
>> 
>> What Apple's iPhone XS (details) and iPhone XS Max (details) get right,
>> they
>> get very right. The problem is what they get wrong, they get very wrong and
>> further tests have found a new skeleton in the closet.
>> Perhaps predictably (given existing complaints), the problem concerns both
>> new iPhone's wired charging with CNBC and PhoneArena describing their
>> findings as "insanely slow" and "borderline criminal" respectively.
>> 
>> Apple's iPhone XS (middle) and iPhone XS Max (left) have new battery
>> problemsApple
>> PhoneArena breaks down the numbers in detail, revealing that charging from
>> flat to full with the bundled charger takes the iPhone XS a whopping 3
>> hours
>> 5 minutes, while the iPhone XS takes 3 hours 29 minutes - almost half a
>> working day.
>> "This is borderline criminal compared to most Androids whose fast chargers
>> come in the box and don't require you shell out $68 extra for the
>> privilege," concludes PhoneArena reviewer Daniel Petrov.
>> He is right. Apple prices its USB-C fast charger at $49 and the required
>> USB-C one metre cable costs $19. Moreover, even with its fast charger Tom's
>> Guide has shown charging speeds still lag behind cheaper rivals from
>> OnePlus
>> and LG.
>> CNBC agrees with PhoneArena's conclusion, describing standard wired
>> charging
>> on both the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max as "insanely slow":
>> "With most Android phones, I can plug in my phone, take a shower and know
>> that I have enough battery to get me several more hours of battery life,"
>> says CNBC's Todd Haselton. "With the iPhone XS and iPhone XS, unless I use
>> a
>> bigger charger like the one included with the iPad, I don't get that same
>> experience."
>> 
>> iPhone XS and XS Max charge times are not competitive with Android rivals
>> out the boxPhoneArena
>> Defending its decision, Apple told Haselton that lots of customers
>> "actually
>> prefer the tiny charger to larger ones, since it's so compact and can be
>> carried anywhere" which is about as bad as excuses get.
>> Furthermore, while Apple spent some time promoting the faster wireless
>> charging in its new iPhones, this also isn't without problems.
>> For starters, it is slower than most premium Android rivals since its
>> Qi-compatible charging doesn't use even half of the standard's 18W
>> specification and, secondly, regular wireless charging has been shown to
>> wear out batteries. Coincidentally, last week Apple confirmed it will
>> charge
>> more to replace batteries in the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max.
>> All of which means the iPhone XR (details) looks even more appealing. It
>> may
>> have the same charging limitations as the XSes, but it is a lot cheaper,
>> has
>> much better battery life, retains their best features and comes in better
>> colours.
>> Minor display concerns aside, it's a no-brainer.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/09/27/apple-iphone-xs-max-xr-b
>> attery-life-fast-charging-wireless-price-cost-update-se2/#61a7a1973af0
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Finally downloaded Mojave,

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> Okay, Mojave is very different in some ways.  Takes some getting use to.  1 
> thing they removed I am not fond of, is they removed linked in, twitter, and 
> face book from the internet accounts.  That was something I grew a custom to 
> when working on my Mac.  Also, when I try to download paid purchases from 
> others in the shared family, it doesn’t allow me to download it without 
> paying for it.  Has anyone figured out how to do this?  Still poking around, 
> and will chime in later with more.
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Resetting apple mail?

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Haven’t had to do this in a while, but can someone remind me how to reset apple 
mail on the Mac?  It’s doing some weird stuff I just can’t fix and getting 
tired of dealing with, so just want to setup mail as if it was the 1st time.  
Thanks.

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Re: Onnex for mac, how the heck do you work with this app.

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You might want to make sure you have the correct version, if you have the wrong 
one, it won’t work
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> On Jul 27, 2018, at 4:36 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't even have this window.  I get system preferences to come up as well 
> as a blank window.  What am I doing well.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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>   > On Behalf Of jeff `greene
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 2:31 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Onnex for mac, how the heck do you work with this app.
> 
> Hi Matthew,
> I've gotOnyx on my wife's mac and have never had a problem with it.
> What I do is after it checks the drive, I go to the automation tab, check all 
> the boxes and hit run tasks. It does a pretty good job cleaning up a mac. I 
> do prefer cocktail myself.
> HTH Jeff
> 
> 
> On 7/27/18, matthew dyer  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Yesterday I installed onnex for mac and wondering if any one still 
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>> to c.lean up my mac, please let me know as my mac is really slow at times 
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Re: Good BitTorrent client for Mac?

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uTorrent works for me just fine.  And never crashes.   Plus I use HMA for a VPN.

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> BitTorrent client for Mac.
> 
> It's been at least 3 or 4 years since I looked into this. uTorrent was headed 
> downhill when last I used it, and I've been using the windows client which is 
> left an extraordinary bad taste in my mouth. if there is anything out there 
> that just works without any crap, I would love to know about it. Thanks, Eric
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Hands-on: 100 iOS 12 changes and features [

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 Jeff Benjamin 
 
 iOS 12 has now been out in the wild for a little over 24 hours, and we’ve 
 been digging through the highly-anticipated beta to find new features. In 
 this hands-on video walkthrough, we showcase 100 new iOS 12 
  features and changes.
 Changes covered in this video:
 
 GeekBench 4 Compute Comparison
 New iOS 12 wallpaper
 New Measure app
 Leveler moved from Compass app
 Swipe up to kill apps
 Redesigned Voice Memos app
 Voice Memos for iPad
 Date in iPad Status Bar
 Faster performance
 Video walkthrough
 
 
 
 
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 Updated QuickType keyboard UI
 Updated Stocks app
 iPad Stocks app
 New iPhone X-inspired iPad gestures
 Redesigned News app
 More Markup color options
 Change markup thickness and opacity
 Control Center Scan QR Code shortcut
 QR Codes now highlighted in frame
 Face ID Alternative Appearance
 Apple Books
 Updated Apple Books preferences
 Enhanced battery statistics
 Persistent battery usage data
 Hey Siri works with Low Power Mode
 Security code autofill
 New ‘Strong Password’ verbiage
 Updated Passwords and Accounts preferences
 Ask Siri for passwords
 Password reuse auditing
 Automatic system updates switch
 English thesaurus
 New dictionaries
 CarPlay supports third-party navigation apps
 Do Not Disturb during bedtime
 New Do Not Disturb options
 Grouped notifications
 Instant tuning for notifications
 Deliver notifications quietly
 Updated Notification Center
 Updated Notifications preferences UI
 Sounds and Haptics preferences relocated
 Control Center preferences relocated
 New Stocks preferences
 New Voice Memos preferences
 New Measure preferences
 No System Services Location icon
 Favicons in Safari tabs
 Podcast app custom skip settings
 Remote control skip support for Podcasts
 Animoji tongue detection
 Animoji wink detection
 Memoji
 Memoji Maker
 Longer Animoji (30 secs)
 Messages app Camera
 Photos iMessage app
 Messages app Camera effects
 Messages app Animoji
 Messages app filters
 Messages app text effects
 Messages app shapes
 Redesigned App Strip
 Quick Messages app contact shortcuts
 New Photos Search and For You app tabs
 New Photos app Album media types
 New Photos app Search
 New Photos app For You
 Updated photo/video import interface 
 Find My iPhone intents for Siri
 Add Shortcuts to Siri
 Screen Time
 Screen Time (Downtime)
 Screen Time (App Limits)
 Screen Time (Always Allow)
 Screen Time (Restrictions)
 Screen Time (for kids)
 FaceTime enhancements
 Group FaceTime
 Group FaceTime Messages
 Search for Music via lyrics
 Rescan failed Face ID 
 Trackpad mode via space bar
 Dark now playing Lock screen UI
 Siri flashlight control
 Workflow scripts work with Siri Shortcuts
 Extended email preview on notifications
 Dictation works with third-party keyboards
 Updated Apple Music artist page
 New Spotlight Suggestions (open links)
 Scrollable Reachability
 Live Listen Control Center Hearing shortcut
 New Control Center brightness control animation
 Apple Music Featured Radio Stations
 New home settings icon in Home app
 New notifications section for Home app
 Weather app air quality settings
 Screen Time widget
 Enhanced Spotlight Siri suggestions
 Updated Screen Recording UI for iPad
 What’s your favorite new iOS 12 feature?
 
 
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Re: WWDC 2018 Hopes and Predictions

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I heard no hardware just software will be talked about
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> On Jun 3, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
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> also the AirPower might be released Monday. We'll see. Also I heard the 
> iPhone SE2 might have Face ID.
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> On Jun 3, 2018, at 3:29 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  > wrote:
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>> Hi all. I'd like to share with you an article I wrote earlier this evening 
>> for my radio show called Accessibility Matters. For those of you that don't 
>> know what it is, Accessibility Matters is a radio show I created that talks 
>> about Accessibility and its issues in the community. But sometimes on the 
>> show we talk about fun things like assistive technology and accessible apps. 
>> The show can be heard Thursdays at 11:00 AM central on 95.9 CKUW's website 
>> ckuw.ca . Alternatively I host a Whatsapp group for the 
>> show and every week I post episodes there. If you want to join it, email me 
>> privately and I'll send you the invite link. This article can be read as 
>> well on our Facebook page at facebook.com/accessibilitymattersradio 
>> . I welcome any comments you 
>> may have. So without further ado, here is the article.
>> 
>> WWDC 2018: Hopes and Predictions
>> 
>> It's the biggest 4 letters of the year. WWDC starts Monday and we at 
>> Accessibility Matters are excited for the big day. Well, I don't know about 
>> Melissa, but I sure as heck am. Here are some predictions we, I mean I am 
>> looking forward to seeing.
>> 
>> Hopes
>> 
>> 1. Implementation Of The Siri Voices System Wide On macOS
>> 
>> Since iOS 9, Apple has made it possible to use the Siri voices for Voiceover 
>> and other system wide features that use speech. In 2016, Apple introduced 
>> macOS Sierra which brought the virtual assistant into the Macintosh 
>> environment. However, access to the voices system wide wasn't possible which 
>> is the case today. We on the Mac don't get the voices that PC users do such 
>> as Neospeech, Ivona, or the now debunked Innoetics. For 3rd party TTS 
>> providers, we only get Nuance, Acapela, Cereproc or Cepstral which I don't 
>> recommend anyone try unless they want to crash their computer. So on Monday, 
>> I hope we can finally use the Siri voices system wide. I'd love to use the 
>> new female voice on my Mac. I sometimes take a break from her but I always 
>> gravitate back to her because she is the most natural sounding female voice 
>> on the iPhone. A lot of blind people like voices if they're responsive and 
>> while that's important to me as well, I like my voices as human sounding as 
>> they can be. So Apple, make it happen. If Windows 10 allows Jaws users to 
>> use the Cortana voice whose name is Eva, then let us use the Siri voices on 
>> the Mac.
>> 
>> 2. If Siri Voices Still Can't Be Used, Give Us More Voices
>> 
>> If we still can't use the Siri voices system wide, then I hope the new 
>> voices that Nuance introduced two years ago will finally make their debut on 
>> Apple devices. Two years ago, Nuance introduced 5 new voices: Evelyn, Nathan 
>> and Zoe who are US voices, Malcom who is a British voice, and Rishi, an 
>> Indian English voice. These voices with the exception of Evelyn can be used 
>> with both NVDA and Jaws. You can download them for free with Jaws 17 and up, 
>> but you have to pay for them with NVDA. And if these voices come to the Mac 
>> and possibly iOS, I hope we get the natural version of Zoe that I first 
>> heard on the Nuance website and not the version that Jaws and NVDA have. On 
>> the website, she sounded very human, but with the version that NVDA and Jaws 
>> have now, she sounds like she's bored and doesn't sound like she's 
>> interested. Don't bother checking the Nuance website now though, the demo 
>> that they have of her now is the same thing the two Windows screenreaders 
>> have.
>> 
>> 3. No Authentication Message When Mac Display Goes To Sleep
>> 
>> Do you ever find it annoying when you're reading something on your Mac and 
>> when your display goes to sleep, Voiceover interrupts the reading and says, 
>> "Authentication, login panel, user, image, authentication has new window?" 
>> Yeah. I find that annoying too. Especially when you're reading a long 
>> article. Sure, there are ways around it like using the speech feature in the 
>> edit menu or setting your screen not to go to sleep at all, but those work 
>> arounds shouldn't be needed. Besides, wouldn't that damage your screen over 
>> time if you had it on 24/7? I have two suggestions that could be done to 
>> eliminate this problem. 1, have Voiceover speak the prompt after it finishes 
>> 

Re: Are There Any Reasons Not to Install iOS 11.4, from a VoiceOver Perspective?

[Kliphton Miller]

I have been using the beta ever since it was released almost a month ago, and 
to me it has been stable ever since the 2nd update.

> On May 30, 2018, at 2:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Has anyone installed iOS 11.4?  If so, are there any noticeable VoiceOver
> bugs of which one should consider before  updating?
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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

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Command tab works just fine for me.

> On May 29, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Dennis Clark  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> I have just installed Windows 7 on a Mac Mini running Fusion. I have no 
> experience using Fusion, and I could use some pointers on how I can move back 
> and forth between High Sierra and Windows. Other suggestions from experienced 
> Fusion users would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: directv now app again

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Try putting your order on follow focus, direct touch seems to be skipping over 
it.
> On May 28, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> I cannot get to discover anymore.
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> Go to discover, networks, and select it.  Than swipe down and you should be 
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>> On May 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli > <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi:
>> Looks like another update came out.
>> Cannot access list of networks.
>>  
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Re: directv now app again

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Go to discover, networks, and select it.  Than swipe down and you should be 
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> Cannot access list of networks.
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Things 3.6 upgrades task manager with Type Travel, full iPad keyboard support | 9to5Mac

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>> Cultured Code is releasing version 3.6 of its Things task manager, and the 
>> new update focuses on iPad users with full support for external keyboards. 
>> The goal of Things 3.6 is to make it possible to use the app on an iPad with 
>> an external keyboard without having to frequently touch the screen…
>> 
>> 
>> Things makes this possible with a combination of keyboard actions: item 
>> selection via arrow keys, and keyboard shortcuts for commands.
>> 
>> Before you can use a shortcut, you need a persistent selection in the list 
>> that you can target. So that’s exactly what we’ve built for Things 3.6.
>> 
>> To see what we mean, just open the app and tap the down arrow; you’ll see 
>> the first to-do selected. Now you can move the selection around with the 
>> arrow keys, or hold down shift and use the arrows to select more to-dos. 
>> Yes, it works just like the Mac!
>> 
>> As for the keyboard shortcuts users will want to use, Cultured Code 
>> highlights these:
>> 
>> Insert a to-do below your selection: Command + N
>> Open a to-do with Return and Tab around inside of it
>> Close the to-do again: Command + Return
>> Move items up or down the list: Command + Up / Down
>> Duplicate, copy, or paste items: Command + D / C / V
>> Set a date: Command + S
>> Mark it complete: Command + K
>> Things 3.6 also shows commonly used keyboard shortcuts when holding down the 
>> Command key just as you would expect, and holding down Command + Shift + ? 
>> opens this detailed webpage 
>>  with 
>> every keyboard shortcut explained. The number of actions mapped to keyboard 
>> shortcuts is really impressive.
>> 
>> Keyboard navigation and control also relies on a Mac feature Cultured Code 
>> calls Type Travel, and that’s now available on iPad:
>> 
>> It allows you to navigate Things with your keyboard. You don’t need a 
>> shortcut to use it – just start typing where in the app you want to go, and 
>> instantly you’re transported there. It’s magic.
>> 
>> In addition to comprehensive keyboard support, Things 3.6 adds three more 
>> features:
>> 
>> You can now drag & drop to-dos into Things’ sidebar to move them to other 
>> lists.
>> Tags and deadlines can now be applied to multiple to-dos at once: just 
>> select a group and tap ••• . Works on iPhone, too!
>> The iPad app now supports undo and redo.
>> Things 3.6 for iPad 
>> 
>>  is a free update for existing customers, and available for $19.99 on the 
>> App Store for new customers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: AutoFill Update

[Kliphton Miller]

Is this just on the Mac, or can you do it with BT keyboards on iPad and phone?
User of IOS, TVOS, MacOS, and watchOS?  That’s all we discuss in only apple 
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> On May 24, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: DIRECTV now updated and totally screwed

[Kliphton Miller]

Xfinity can not touch what I have.  I don’t need a cable box, I don’t have 
extra cords coming out of the wall, I have DVR service built right in, and I 
don’t need to sign a contract.  Over 120 channels, and can add any movie 
channel for only 5 bucks.

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, it’s all too much trouble for me. I went with Xfinity and got a good 
> package deal that beats anything DIRECTV NOW has to offer. Plus I get to use 
> the rather excellent Xfinity X one voice command system.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> On May 18, 2018, at 4:06 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Go to discover, networks, and navigate that way.
>>> On May 16, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It seems that DIRECTV NOW has updated and totally changed it’s interface. 
>>> It completely sucks and I’m wondering if anybody else has figured out how 
>>> to navigate through it. Any ideas? Just when you think you can cut the cord 
>>> they going stick it to you by changing things around without accessibility. 
>>> Back to cable we go.
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Re: DIRECTV now updated and totally screwed

[Kliphton Miller]

Go to discover, networks, and navigate that way.
> On May 16, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> It seems that DIRECTV NOW has updated and totally changed it’s interface. It 
> completely sucks and I’m wondering if anybody else has figured out how to 
> navigate through it. Any ideas? Just when you think you can cut the cord they 
> going stick it to you by changing things around without accessibility. Back 
> to cable we go.
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> 1st let me start by saying I received permission from Mark the list mod to 
> post these items.  2nd, please don’t reply on list, send all questions to 
> kliph...@icloud.com 
> Now that is out of the way.  iPhone X unlocked 64GB, gently used no scratches 
> drops or bumps, asking 800 USD.
> MacBookPro 13 inch with touch bar, 500GB SSD with a i5 processor up to 3.1 
> GHZ was only used for numbers and a few internet searches.  Asking 1500 USD 
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Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

Oh, BTW, I only need to use the arrow keys, not the voiceover keys.

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kliphton,
> 
> thanks very much. I sure appreciate the apology and the assistance too. :) 
> Hopefully I did not come off too strongly either. It’s not always easy to 
> gage tone in email.
> 
> Yeah, that must be really obnoxious when customers are kind of disregarding 
> the fact that you are a business and need to make some money so you can keep 
> that going. Serious kudos to you for being in the restaurant business! You 
> rock! :) where is your cafe?…
> 
> As for the keyboard, I have Apple BT keyboards (both the second and third 
> gen) I am currently using the third gen with the Apple TV.
> 
> After reading your earlier note, I did a Google search to see if I could find 
> anything out about this and I did find a tip on an Apple Vis forum about 
> switching the rotor to ‘Follow Focus’ so I tried switching the rotor to this 
> via the remote and I was able to get the arrow keys to work for the four 
> directions but only if the Voiceover keys were held down or locked.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this configuration, I cannot then use the enter key to 
> choose options on the Apple TV home screen without then needing to turn off 
> Voiceover.
> 
> What rotor option are you using?
> 
> this concerns me greatly, as a blind user should not need to press three keys 
> at a time (control option and an arrow) and need to use two hands vs one to 
> do what a sighted user can do with only one key press. I.E. If you turn off 
> Voiceover, all you need to do is simply press an arrow key and the cursor 
> moves there. When you get where you need to go, you simply press enter and 
> the action is done.
> 
> Why should a user with a disability need to be using two hands, pressing 
> multiple keys and then also need to toggle VO off simply to accomplish 
> navigation by way of the keyboard.
> 
> This is different from the Mac where Voiceover is meant to avoid key 
> conflicts. So in this case, this appears to just be arbitrary. -Especially 
> since keyboard navigation has worked so easily and simply for both sighted 
> and visually impaired customers alike until now.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? This is supposed to be an easy, enjoyable and 
> streamlined experience. Yes?…
> 
> So are you saying that there is an option that is actually allowing the 
> arrows and enter key to work as they do with VO off?
> 
> Thanks Kliphton, any other suggestions you can offer would be fantastic!
> 
> Have an awesome evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, sorry about that statement of some people don’t like change.  I run my 
> own cafe, and those customers sometime get under my skin complaining about 
> price change, expecting everything to be free.  Anyway, I am using a Logitech 
> k811 BT keyboard, I don’t know if the model matter.  As for changing rodder 
> options, I do it with the Siri remote, not with keyboard.  But it still gets 
> the job done.  What keyboard are you trying to use?  Again, sorry for the 
> general statement, meant no disrespect.
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Kliphton,
>> 
>> Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
>> before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via 
>> the keyboard and nothing seems to happen.
>> 
>> I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the 
>> keyboard and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.
>> 
>> So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you 
>> are making this work. You’d be helping make my life a whole lot easier, so I 
>> would really dig it! :)
>> 
>> thanks very much.
>> 
>> Now, as for the cliches about people, please chill out on it. Not just 
>> speaking for myself here, but pretty much everyone here on this list, just 
>> in the mere fact of being here says that there is a certain adventurous 
>> spirit among folks here.
>> 
>> So saying that people dislike change is way too general and kind of a cop 
>> out don’t you think?… :)
>> 
>> Many of us here are early adopters of a lot of technologies, as I am sure 
>> you are also.
>> 
>> Anyway, we are all welcome to our opinions here and put simply, change 
>> depending on why it happens is not necessarily always a good or smart thing. 
>> Personally, having designed UI myself, advised large audiences of UX 
&

Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

That has to be frustrating!  Using an apple keyboard with a apple product and 
it still doesn’t work?  That is not good, I use a   3rd party keyboard also, 
called baton wireless keyboard on amazon.  It’s only 10 bucks, and works great. 
 It was originally designed for android, but I rolled the dice and got lucky.  
Bought 3 of them since they were so cheap, it works with my iPhone and both 
appleTV4K’s.  The rodder option I select is direct touch, and follow focus, and 
they both work, I only use vertical navigation when I want to go 1 item at a 
time.  I would report this to apple accessibility, or maybe join beta users to 
report.  I actually have apublic beta group where we all discuss issues 
like this.  I don’t want to break any rules, so I won’t post the info here, but 
anyone who is running a public beta can email me for the info
kliph...@icloud.com <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>
BTW, my cafe is in northwest FL where I live.  Good luck

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kliphton,
> 
> thanks very much. I sure appreciate the apology and the assistance too. :) 
> Hopefully I did not come off too strongly either. It’s not always easy to 
> gage tone in email.
> 
> Yeah, that must be really obnoxious when customers are kind of disregarding 
> the fact that you are a business and need to make some money so you can keep 
> that going. Serious kudos to you for being in the restaurant business! You 
> rock! :) where is your cafe?…
> 
> As for the keyboard, I have Apple BT keyboards (both the second and third 
> gen) I am currently using the third gen with the Apple TV.
> 
> After reading your earlier note, I did a Google search to see if I could find 
> anything out about this and I did find a tip on an Apple Vis forum about 
> switching the rotor to ‘Follow Focus’ so I tried switching the rotor to this 
> via the remote and I was able to get the arrow keys to work for the four 
> directions but only if the Voiceover keys were held down or locked.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this configuration, I cannot then use the enter key to 
> choose options on the Apple TV home screen without then needing to turn off 
> Voiceover.
> 
> What rotor option are you using?
> 
> this concerns me greatly, as a blind user should not need to press three keys 
> at a time (control option and an arrow) and need to use two hands vs one to 
> do what a sighted user can do with only one key press. I.E. If you turn off 
> Voiceover, all you need to do is simply press an arrow key and the cursor 
> moves there. When you get where you need to go, you simply press enter and 
> the action is done.
> 
> Why should a user with a disability need to be using two hands, pressing 
> multiple keys and then also need to toggle VO off simply to accomplish 
> navigation by way of the keyboard.
> 
> This is different from the Mac where Voiceover is meant to avoid key 
> conflicts. So in this case, this appears to just be arbitrary. -Especially 
> since keyboard navigation has worked so easily and simply for both sighted 
> and visually impaired customers alike until now.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? This is supposed to be an easy, enjoyable and 
> streamlined experience. Yes?…
> 
> So are you saying that there is an option that is actually allowing the 
> arrows and enter key to work as they do with VO off?
> 
> Thanks Kliphton, any other suggestions you can offer would be fantastic!
> 
> Have an awesome evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, sorry about that statement of some people don’t like change.  I run my 
> own cafe, and those customers sometime get under my skin complaining about 
> price change, expecting everything to be free.  Anyway, I am using a Logitech 
> k811 BT keyboard, I don’t know if the model matter.  As for changing rodder 
> options, I do it with the Siri remote, not with keyboard.  But it still gets 
> the job done.  What keyboard are you trying to use?  Again, sorry for the 
> general statement, meant no disrespect.
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Kliphton,
>> 
>> Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
>> before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via 
>> the keyboard and nothing seems to happen.
>> 
>> I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the 
>> keyboard and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.
>> 
>> So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you 
>> are making this work. You’d be helping make 

Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

Hello, sorry about that statement of some people don’t like change.  I run my 
own cafe, and those customers sometime get under my skin complaining about 
price change, expecting everything to be free.  Anyway, I am using a Logitech 
k811 BT keyboard, I don’t know if the model matter.  As for changing rodder 
options, I do it with the Siri remote, not with keyboard.  But it still gets 
the job done.  What keyboard are you trying to use?  Again, sorry for the 
general statement, meant no disrespect.

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Kliphton,
> 
> Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
> before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via 
> the keyboard and nothing seems to happen.
> 
> I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the keyboard 
> and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.
> 
> So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you are 
> making this work. You’d be helping make my life a whole lot easier, so I 
> would really dig it! :)
> 
> thanks very much.
> 
> Now, as for the cliches about people, please chill out on it. Not just 
> speaking for myself here, but pretty much everyone here on this list, just in 
> the mere fact of being here says that there is a certain adventurous spirit 
> among folks here.
> 
> So saying that people dislike change is way too general and kind of a cop out 
> don’t you think?… :)
> 
> Many of us here are early adopters of a lot of technologies, as I am sure you 
> are also.
> 
> Anyway, we are all welcome to our opinions here and put simply, change 
> depending on why it happens is not necessarily always a good or smart thing. 
> Personally, having designed UI myself, advised large audiences of UX 
> designers on good UI and UX design, and also having the pleasure and 
> privilege of being able to work with absolute experts in the field, I have 
> some thoughts and opinions on this, which I will stand by. -For now at least. 
> :) If someone wants to show me I’ve made a mistake etc, then that’s cool too! 
> :) No worries, we all do it from time to time…
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your note, please please please let me know how you are 
> managing to get your BT keyboard arrow keys to work the way you are 
> mentioning. I will be very appreciative.
> 
> thanks bunches Kliphton, and have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Few things here.  The blu tooth keyboard for me works just fine, and I use 2 
> different ones.  The key is, making sure your router is set to direct touch, 
> then you can navigate any direction you want, even entering text.  And I have 
> been using the appleTV4 since it’s 1st release, now using a appleTV4K, and it 
> works fine with my bt keyboard also.  In regards to fast forwarding and 
> rewinding, I have no issue there either, this goes with trial and error 
> though.  Your router must be set to follow focus, and you will have no issues 
> performing fast forward or rewind.  As for the music app, I again make sure 
> the rotter is set to the corresponding setting, and things should work as 
> normal.  People don’t like change, and sometimes this keeps them from 
> exploring options because things are done differently, but exploring options 
> will grant you a pleasant surprise.
> JMO
>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Phil, I completely agree with you in regard to accessibility on the Apple TV 
>> 4th Gen.
>> 
>> In terms of day-to-day enjoyment and ease of use, in my opinion, the 
>> accessibility on the 4th Gen has gone way way way down.
>> 
>> There are three main areas where I find this to be true most.
>> 
>> The first is in the squirreliness of the use of the menu button to enable / 
>> disable VO in certain circumstances such as when in Music. I.E. I will find 
>> that on more than one occasion, VO will either not turn on with the usual 
>> triple press of the menu button, or once VO is on, I will not be able to 
>> leave the Now Playing screen in Music to go back to the Apple TV Home screen.
>> 
>> I have seen this issue in other Apple apps as well, but it is intermittent. 
>> I have more than one Siri remote so I have also checked to see that both 
>> remotes work properly and they do. So this is an issue with the Apple TV 4th 
>> Gen with VO apparently.
>> 
>> secondly, Rewinding or fast forwarding when watching video content can be 
>> absolutely excruciatingly tedious depending on which video a

Re: My Experiences with Directv Now

[Kliphton Miller]

Yup, I am not even a huge TV watcher, but my family is, and I signed on in the 
begining when that plan was only 35 bucks, and I am locked in for life.

> On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I wish I'd done this years ago. Don't have Hulu, just DirectvNow and Netflix. 
> I wish DIY, and the cooking channel were apart of the cheaper bundle, but I'd 
> have to go to the $60 a month plan for just adding those channels. *sigh* 
> Can't justify that. 
> 
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Experiences with Directv Now
> 
> I agree, with Netflix, Hulu, and direct TVNow I am still paying less and 
> getting more then I would with cable tv, I dumped cable tv 8 years ago, and 
> don’t regret it.
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 10:04 AM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I personally think cable companies do great at ripping you off. So if
>> I can avoid it I shall. I would rather use netflix and a couple of
>> these cheaper options
>> 
>> On 3/12/18, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Xfinity is essentially the new name for the old Comcast Corporation. It’s a
>>> huge conglomerate
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Haven’t heard of Xfinity. Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On
>>>> Behalf Of david.tanner...@gmail.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:10 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now
>>>> 
>>>> In case you haven’t tried it yet, the Xfinity Stream TV app for both
>>>> Android and iOS are both excellent, very accessible, and do have
>>>> descriptive video  that works very well, and is very easy to setup in the
>>>> app.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On
>>>> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:53 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now
>>>> 
>>>> We don’t have Comcast downl here. So far, I’m happy with Directv Now. I’ll
>>>> let everyone know what I think of the others as I try them.
>>>> 
>>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On
>>>> Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:31 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: My Experiences with Directv Now
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I gave up on the cord cutting and went with Comcast voice guidance.
>>>> They have a voice guidance system, much like a screen reader, that works
>>>> great and allows me to do everything I need to do. Yes, I’m paying the
>>>> price for it, but good things are worth paying for. Good luck with sling
>>>> and all the other services, maybe one day I’ll join you.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 10, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all:
>>>> I’ve had Directv Now for about two weeks. The service is 90% usable.
>>>> You will want to use it on an Apple TV with the remote set to direct
>>>> touch. While playing a show, you can swipe across the remote to channel
>>>> surf. You can search for content. You can view all networks via the guide.
>>>> It is easy to mark and unmark channels as favorites, as well as to view
>>>> only favorite channels.
>>>> With the iOS app, you can search for content. You can add shows to watch
>>>> list. You cannot view network list, even in the guide. You cannot add
>>>> channels to favorites. I have the $35 a month plan, with pro

Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

Few things here.  The blu tooth keyboard for me works just fine, and I use 2 
different ones.  The key is, making sure your router is set to direct touch, 
then you can navigate any direction you want, even entering text.  And I have 
been using the appleTV4 since it’s 1st release, now using a appleTV4K, and it 
works fine with my bt keyboard also.  In regards to fast forwarding and 
rewinding, I have no issue there either, this goes with trial and error though. 
 Your router must be set to follow focus, and you will have no issues 
performing fast forward or rewind.  As for the music app, I again make sure the 
rotter is set to the corresponding setting, and things should work as normal.  
People don’t like change, and sometimes this keeps them from exploring options 
because things are done differently, but exploring options will grant you a 
pleasant surprise.
JMO
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Phil, I completely agree with you in regard to accessibility on the Apple TV 
> 4th Gen.
> 
> In terms of day-to-day enjoyment and ease of use, in my opinion, the 
> accessibility on the 4th Gen has gone way way way down.
> 
> There are three main areas where I find this to be true most.
> 
> The first is in the squirreliness of the use of the menu button to enable / 
> disable VO in certain circumstances such as when in Music. I.E. I will find 
> that on more than one occasion, VO will either not turn on with the usual 
> triple press of the menu button, or once VO is on, I will not be able to 
> leave the Now Playing screen in Music to go back to the Apple TV Home screen.
> 
> I have seen this issue in other Apple apps as well, but it is intermittent. I 
> have more than one Siri remote so I have also checked to see that both 
> remotes work properly and they do. So this is an issue with the Apple TV 4th 
> Gen with VO apparently.
> 
> secondly, Rewinding or fast forwarding when watching video content can be 
> absolutely excruciatingly tedious depending on which video apps you might be 
> using. Hulu in particular can be utterly horrible for this. Yes, I know that 
> this is a third party situation, but this reflects how poorly the touch pad 
> on the Siri remote behaves both with and without VO. I have had many 
> complaints from sighted folks on this as well. -And furthermore, if you go 
> and read reviews on the Siri remote on the Apple Store app, almost every 
> single review is incredibly negative. -And I personally couldn’t agree more. 
> This is actually the worst Apple interface I have ever used by far.
> 
> Lastly, (and this is the major one for me) the bluetooth keyboard support has 
> suffered utterly when using Voiceover. I.e. apparently, the accessibility 
> team has tried to make the experience of using a bluetooth keyboard with VO 
> on the Apple TV, behave more like that of using VO on a Mac.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this case, this has severely crippled accessibility in this 
> regard. What I mean is this; in the past, when using a bt keyboard with an 
> Apple TV, the arrows would move the cursor in their respective four 
> directions on the screen. Now, if you turn on VO with a bt keyboard paired, 
> the arrows do not work this way. The most obvious issue is that you cannot 
> move straight down on the screen, you need to move left to right . This is a 
> huge problem in that it is not only more cumbersome to get where you need to 
> go, but there are actually some cases where you cannot get there at all using 
> the keyboard. You actually need to stop trying to navigate with the keyboard 
> and use the remote to move the cursor.
> 
> Now, if this were a design issue across the board for both sighted and blind 
> users, I would simply question Apple’s UX design choice. -However, this is 
> not across the board. This is purely an accessibility design issue. If you 
> turn off Voiceover, the bluetooth keyboard goes back to working as it always 
> has, with the arrow keys working normally.
> 
> If you then turn on Voiceover, the keyboard stops working as it should and 
> goes back to performing as I have been mentioning above.
> 
> So, instead of actually assisting blind users in having an easier and more 
> enjoyable experience with the Apple TV, now it is actually made worse and 
> more difficult in several situations.
> 
> I am curious to hear others’ experiences / opinions on these issues. Have you 
> seen them? What do you think?
> 
> Thanks so much and hope you have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t understand how you can say that the accessibility with the fourth GEN 
> is fine when you don’t even own one. Am I wrong or did you say you have the 
> third GEN 

Re: My Experiences with Directv Now

[Kliphton Miller]

I agree, with Netflix, Hulu, and direct TVNow I am still paying less and 
getting more then I would with cable tv, I dumped cable tv 8 years ago, and 
don’t regret it.

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 10:04 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I personally think cable companies do great at ripping you off. So if
> I can avoid it I shall. I would rather use netflix and a couple of
> these cheaper options
> 
> On 3/12/18, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> Xfinity is essentially the new name for the old Comcast Corporation. It’s a
>> huge conglomerate
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Haven’t heard of Xfinity. Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>> Behalf Of david.tanner...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:10 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now
>>> 
>>> In case you haven’t tried it yet, the Xfinity Stream TV app for both
>>> Android and iOS are both excellent, very accessible, and do have
>>> descriptive video  that works very well, and is very easy to setup in the
>>> app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:53 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now
>>> 
>>> We don’t have Comcast downl here. So far, I’m happy with Directv Now. I’ll
>>> let everyone know what I think of the others as I try them.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>> Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:31 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: My Experiences with Directv Now
>>> 
>>> Well, I gave up on the cord cutting and went with Comcast voice guidance.
>>> They have a voice guidance system, much like a screen reader, that works
>>> great and allows me to do everything I need to do. Yes, I’m paying the
>>> price for it, but good things are worth paying for. Good luck with sling
>>> and all the other services, maybe one day I’ll join you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> I’ve had Directv Now for about two weeks. The service is 90% usable.
>>> You will want to use it on an Apple TV with the remote set to direct
>>> touch. While playing a show, you can swipe across the remote to channel
>>> surf. You can search for content. You can view all networks via the guide.
>>> It is easy to mark and unmark channels as favorites, as well as to view
>>> only favorite channels.
>>> With the iOS app, you can search for content. You can add shows to watch
>>> list. You cannot view network list, even in the guide. You cannot add
>>> channels to favorites. I have the $35 a month plan, with promotional price
>>> for $10 a month. They also have free Apple tv promotion for prepaying for
>>> service. I plan on trying the others as a free trial and then deciding
>>> which I want to keep.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: Accessibility/usability of the DirecTV now app for Apple TV fourth GEN?

[Kliphton Miller]

You are able to select favorites, I haven’t done it in a while, but it doesn’t 
tell you when the favorites are selected.  You just have to go to your 
favorites list and confirm that it is there.  I just scroll threw the channel 
lineup and stop on the network I want.  Voiceover speaks each channels name.

> On Mar 5, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Like Sarah, I’m cutting the cord and looking for a decent streaming package. 
> Sling TV looked good or originally, but the accessibility of the app stinks. 
> Now, DirecTV also looks quite good but I can’t really test out the app until 
> I’ve signed up. Anybody have experience navigating the DirecTV now app? Is it 
> at least 80% usable for us? Any input would be greatly appreciated before I 
> take the plunge. Thanks
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: HomePod, iPhone, and Apple Watch, An Addicting Scenario I Can Definitely Live With

[Kliphton Miller]

If you are disabling hey Siri because of battery drain, that is 1 thing, but 
you don’t have to do it because you want HomePod to be the default.  Siri knows 
when the HomePod is near by, so hey Siri is only active on 1 device when they 
are in the same room or on the same wifi.  I read and article about this, and 
have also tested it.

> On Feb 22, 2018, at 8:22 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I've had my HomePod for a few days now and I am totally addicted to
> the following scenario:
> 
> SETUP:
> 1.
> Have "Hay Siri" disabled on iPhone 8 Plus.
> 
> 2.
> Have "Hay Siri" enabled on HomePod.
> 
> 3.
> Have Apple Watch set to silent mode, providing hap tic feedback, only, on
> incoming text messages.
> 
> SCENARIO:
> 1.
> Sitting in office, working on various projects.
> 
> 2.
> Receive hap tic feedback on wrist, via Apple Watch, notifying me of a new
> SMS or iMessage.
> 
> 3.
> Say, "Hay Siri, read message."
> 
> 4.
> Siri identifies the sender, and then reads the contents of the message, at
> the conclusion of which she asks if I wish to reply." 
> 
> 5.
> I reply, "Yes."
> 
> 6.
> She then asks me to dictate the reply, at the end of which she then reads
> the reply back to me.
> 
> 7.
> She then asks, "Would you like to send it?"
> 
> 8.
> I answer, "Yes." 
> 
> 9.,
> The message is sent with virtually no disruption in my work flow.  
> 
> This is a beautiful scenario that plays out time-and-time again, throughout
> my day.
> 
> Now I know that one can enable "Hay Siri", in iOS resulting in the potential
> for the same scenario but, to me, using HomePod makes far more sense as I
> don't like the power drain of 'Hay Siri" on my iOS devices when I forget to
> disable "Hay Siri" upon removing them from the A/C charger.
> 
> HomePod, iPhone, and Apple Watch, an addicting scenario I can definitely
> live with, (smile).
> 
> Mark
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Re: Braille commands on the Mac.

[Kliphton Miller]

These commands are listed in the users manual on there website.  Let me grab 
the link.  Actually, these commands are listed in an archive on my braille 
display list.  I will send them directly to you.

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> This morning I have been using my Focus on my Mac and have noticed some good 
> improvements with reading messages using the braille display.
> 
> However as I write this message I cannot see any braille and I can't use my 
> braille display to write with.
> 
> Is there anything special we need to do to get interaction with writing 
> messages on the braille display please?
> 
> Also I can't find a way to copy, cut or paste text as you can do so on the I 
> phone.
> 
> If I hear that we can't do this then I'll write to Accessibility.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Why can't iPhone owners just accept the fact that Google can save them?, BGR

[Kliphton Miller]

I agree, I have over 30 thousand photos, and they only take up about 6GB, but I 
do use google photos for a nice 2nd and backup just  in case.
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Interesting article, but the author just seems to brush over, or minimize the 
> iCloud Photo Library.  I'm not privy to the details of Google's optimization 
> algorithms as compared to Apple's such animals in the i/Cloud Photo Library, 
> but, as an example, I have over 45,000 photos in my iCloud Photo Library and 
> it only uses up about 4 Gig on my iPhone.  I, too, have access to all 45,000+ 
> photos with facial recognition, location recognition and such.  This is not 
> to dispute or disrespect Google Photos, just to clear the possible misguiding 
> information posted here.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 16:56, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Why can't iPhone owners just accept the fact that Google can save them?
> By h Epstein
> 
> There shouldn't be much question at this point that Apple tends to put a bit
> more thought into its products than rivals. Perhaps that's why so many
> consumer electronics companies have copied Apple products over the years.
> The good news is Apple has forced other companies to up their game, and up
> it they have. Android phone makers now put far more time and energy into
> product design and unique feature than they ever have in the past. Remember
> how ugly, cheap, and plasticky Samsung's flagship phones used to be? Now
> they're stunning, and Samsung fans have Apple to thank; Samsung simply
> couldn't continue to get away with releasing crummy plastic phones while
> Apple sold sleek iPhones made of glass and metal.
> Apple doesn't just put more thought into its products than rivals, however.
> It also seems to put more thought into how to make money. A perfect example
> is Apple's move to add exclusive features and upgrades to its more expensive
> Plus model iPhones, thus adding further encouragement for consumers to opt
> for higher-margin iPhones. Again, Samsung will finally catch up with this
> smart strategy in 2018 when it launches the Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9+.
> 
> Another example is storage. Unlike most other smartphone companies, Apple
> refuses to add microSD support to its iPhones. The main reason for this, of
> course, is that it forces people who want more local storage to buy more
> expensive, higher-margin iPhone models. While it's a brilliant move on
> Apple's part, this is an example of a smart business strategy that is
> decidedly anti-consumer. What many iPhone users still don't seem to realize
> or don't want to accept, however, is that Google can save them from spending
> that extra cash on an iPhone with more storage.
> 
> Google is one of Apple's top rivals in a few key areas. Of course, Android
> is the one most people focus on since Apple and Google own the two biggest
> mobile platforms in the world. Google isn't a platform company, however.
> It's a services company and an advertising company.
> Android exists as a delivery mechanism for Google's various software and
> services, and it serves its purpose quite well. But it would be silly of
> Google to confine its services to Android. Google wants access to as many
> users as possible, so it supports every popular software platform it can.
> That obviously includes iOS. Google would never confine its services to
> Android like Apple does with most of its software services. Apple is a
> hardware company and it uses software and services to lock customers in. In
> a way, Apple is Google's opposite.
> 
> That brings us to one of my personal favorite Google services, Google
> Photos. For those unaware, Google offers a service that includes unlimited
> storage for high-quality photos and videos for free. Well, for "free" - the
> price of most Google services is access to your data, of course. That's a
> price many people happily pay, myself included.
> iPhone users have been running out of storage space ever since the first
> iPhone was released more than a decade ago. In 2017, there are two main
> culprits. The lesser issue is typically the Messages app, since many people
> are unaware that all those photos and videos they receive are stored locally
> on their phones. That often adds up to gigabytes upon gigabytes of storage
> that gets gobbled up by media that will never be viewed again.
> 
> The bigger issue, of course, is all the storage that's eaten up by photos
> and videos captured by the iPhone itself.
> As smartphone camera quality continues to improve with each new smartphone
> generation, photo and video sizes get bigger and bigger. Apple's new
> high-efficiency photo format was developed to help matters a bit, but it
> makes sharing photos with anyone who doesn't also have an iPhone a huge
> pain. (Don't worry, you can disabled it by going to Settings > Camera >
> Formats and selecting "Most 

Re: New Generation Focus 40.

[Kliphton Miller]

It works flawlessly with IOS, at least it does for me.  Mac, I couldn’t get it 
to keep the blu tooth connection, but USB works just fine.  Once I got a list 
of the commands and what the buttons do, it was smooth sailing!  I love the 
battery life, up to 20 hours total with reading and being connected via blu 
tooth.
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> Is anyone using the new Generation Focus?? I hope to have one on Monday.
> 
> I got it at a discount as well as I persuaded the distributor to let me have 
> one!
> 
> I know Braille support on the Mac isn't too great or is it now?  I will be 
> able to connect the display to all my devices which I'm looking forward to.
> 
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Re: Is there a way to fast forward through a Netflix movie using a 4th Gen Apple TV?

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Yes, set your rotter on the Siri remote to follow focus, and then swipe to the 
right, you can swipe up to 4 times to get faster speeds.

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 10:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Question says it all.  Is there some way to quickly fast forward through a 
> Netflix movie using the 4th Gen apple TV?
> Cheers,
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Re: Transferring files from PC to Mac

[Kliphton Miller]

the toehr thing your friend could do is, setup iCloud on windows, copy 
everything into iCloud drive, and it will show up in iCloud drive on the mac.


> On Jan 1, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> That's what I'd do. You could also share the Windows folders over the local 
> network, then copy them directly, but that might need a bit more setup than 
> your friend wants to deal with.
> 
> As to formatting, you don't need to worry. Any format I know of can be read 
> by Mac and Windows. Thus, NTFS drives to which Windows can write will be 
> readable by the Mac, even if it can't also write to the drive in question. 
> FAT32 is good if both systems need to be able to write, but remember that 
> this format can't support any single file over 4GB in size, if my memory is 
> working right.
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2018, at 19:11, Agent086b > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> a friend of mine has seen the light and has purchased an iMac & a Mac 
>> laptop. He now wishes to take all his files from his PC to the Mac. What is 
>> the easiest way to do this? I can’t remember what I did more than 5 years 
>> ago when I made the switch. The only way I can think of is to get a USB 
>> drive and copy all his powerpoint and other documents he has and then 
>> connect it to the Mac and re-copy them again. If this is the way to do it 
>> what should he format the drive to so both machines can read the drive?
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> Max.
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Re: macmail rules : limitations, help pls

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if you do this from the iCloud.com  website, all rules will 
stick, and it will be done across all devices.

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:53 PM, William Windels  
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> Hello all,
> To clean up my mailbox , I use the macmail rueles in mac os 10.13 high sierra.
> 
> It seems I can’t make conditional rules with and/or operators.
> e.g. I cant say that all mails from @facebook.com or @twitter.com  or @ 
> applevis.com or @apple.com should be removed if they are received 30 days ago.
> If I should say the the rule is true if one or more of the conditions are 
> true, I should see that all conditions seperately are true.
> If I should say that the rule-evaluation is valid if all conditions are true, 
> I shouldn’t have any result since apple mail can’t handle more than 1 
> from-address.
> 
> There is also a option in the conditionlist of a mailrule  named “edit 
> headerlist.
> There, I could type and/or/… but this isn’t working.
> 
> And I could make also different rules for each from-address separately but 
> then , I have su much rules….
> 
> All hints are very welcome!
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> 
> William Windels 
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Kliphton Miller]

donna, that case doesn’t stay closed, and it is not real secure, the reason I 
didn’t like it is the phone stays in it unless you remove it from the inside 
holder, whitch is more trouble than it is worth, especially since the phone 
would be fullly exposed.  JMO
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> Would you by any chance want the apple folio x wallet case?
> Leather unused ?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 1:44 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone X cases?
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> Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,
> 
> Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but 
> like Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases 
> yesterday, but they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, 
> I'm not sure it's worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, 
> though, to see if it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds 
> intriguing.  Thanks, Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a leather 
> case.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
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>> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
>> apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox 
>> serious, but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
>>> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Kliphton Miller]

just make sure you get the tempered glass, as there is no screen protecter 
build in.  I love the thinness of the phone, feels real nice in my hand.
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
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> Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,
> 
> Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but 
> like Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases 
> yesterday, but they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, 
> I'm not sure it's worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, 
> though, to see if it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds 
> intriguing.  Thanks, Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a leather 
> case.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
>> apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox 
>> serious, but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
>>> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone X cases?

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I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox serious, 
but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Laser printer recommendation wanted

[Kliphton Miller]

here is the link to the printer I have.  Another thing I forgot to mention is 
it has duplex printing, meaning it prints on both sides of the paper.  My 
cousin has the fax version of this printer, and he loves it too.  here is the 
link
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LZS5EEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LZS5EEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8=1>
enjoy.
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I am a big fan of the  brother series.  The pertecular mdoel I have supports 
> wifi printing.  Meaning, if a co-worker comes over, needs to print something, 
> he can just hit print, it will find the printer as long as he is on my 
> network, and it will print with no extra software needed.  This model only 
> cost me about 80 bucks.  it’s quiet, and takes  me about 6 months to go threw 
> toner, but I only print about twice a week.  I will get sited help and get 
> the exact model number.
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:45 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Eric,
>> 
>> I am a huge fan of the Samsung monochrome Ethernet-ready laser printers.  
>> 
>> I have owned one for the past 4 years and love it to death.  I have recently 
>> set up 3 newer models for friends of mine who love theirs, also.  
>> 
>> As long as you get an Ethernet-ready model, you can connect it to your home 
>> WiFi router.  When connected, you can control the printer, via any web 
>> browser on the same network.  
>> 
>> Let's see, I think the one I pcked up a couple of months ago costs about 
>> $129 from Best Buy.
>> 
>> I purchased a laser printer for the same reason as you expressed.  I got 
>> tired of the ink drying up in the inkjet models.  Since toner is a powder, 
>> it will not dry up so you can use the printer for as long as the toner lasts.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Caron
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 5:50 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Laser printer recommendation wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  I’m looking for a printer to use with my Mac and iPhone.  I’ve bought 
>> two Ink jet printers in the past few years and they have been difficult to 
>> use as they use a touch screen with no audio.  Also, as I don’t print often 
>> when I do it seems they continually dry out and then don’t print.
>> 
>> I’d like to find a laser printer, as I think it is less likely to dry up.  I 
>> hope to find one I can control from the Mac or iPhone.  Color is not 
>> important.  Scanner copier would be nice.
>> 
>> I’d appreciate some recommendations from folks having success with printers 
>> and voice over.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Re: Laser printer recommendation wanted

[Kliphton Miller]

I am a big fan of the  brother series.  The pertecular mdoel I have supports 
wifi printing.  Meaning, if a co-worker comes over, needs to print something, 
he can just hit print, it will find the printer as long as he is on my network, 
and it will print with no extra software needed.  This model only cost me about 
80 bucks.  it’s quiet, and takes  me about 6 months to go threw toner, but I 
only print about twice a week.  I will get sited help and get the exact model 
number.
> On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eric,
> 
> I am a huge fan of the Samsung monochrome Ethernet-ready laser printers.  
> 
> I have owned one for the past 4 years and love it to death.  I have recently 
> set up 3 newer models for friends of mine who love theirs, also.  
> 
> As long as you get an Ethernet-ready model, you can connect it to your home 
> WiFi router.  When connected, you can control the printer, via any web 
> browser on the same network.  
> 
> Let's see, I think the one I pcked up a couple of months ago costs about $129 
> from Best Buy.
> 
> I purchased a laser printer for the same reason as you expressed.  I got 
> tired of the ink drying up in the inkjet models.  Since toner is a powder, it 
> will not dry up so you can use the printer for as long as the toner lasts.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Caron
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Laser printer recommendation wanted
> 
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   I’m looking for a printer to use with my Mac and iPhone.  I’ve bought 
> two Ink jet printers in the past few years and they have been difficult to 
> use as they use a touch screen with no audio.  Also, as I don’t print often 
> when I do it seems they continually dry out and then don’t print.
> 
> I’d like to find a laser printer, as I think it is less likely to dry up.  I 
> hope to find one I can control from the Mac or iPhone.  Color is not 
> important.  Scanner copier would be nice.
> 
> I’d appreciate some recommendations from folks having success with printers 
> and voice over.
> 
> Eric Caron 
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Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, I did the upgrade process with letting my old iPHone setup my new one, so 
I didn’t experience this, one thing I do remember is it kept saying hello, and 
the only other option was to make an emergency call, but that all went away 
when I selected my language.  Sorry your experience was so hard.

> On Dec 3, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> For those of you still on the fence, I thought I'd post my experience thus 
> far.
> 
> I finally have my iPhone X activated, but it has been one of the worst 
> upgrade processes I've ever been through.  There were several issues.
> 
> First, every time the screen dimmed--which, given that this was a new phone 
> was approximately every minute--when I pressed the power button I was taken 
> to a screen where my only option was to click on phone info.  The only way 
> out of this screen was to invoke a force shut, reset the phone and start 
> over.  I probably went through that process five times before all was said 
> and done.  Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mark for posting the article 
> about how to do that.  Without that information, I would have had to give up 
> and go to the Verizon store.
> 
> Second, I had to upgrade to IOS 11.02.  This presented two problems.  First, 
> given the issue I describe above, this meant I had to sit with my phone in my 
> hand, and make sure the screen never dimmed, because if it did, the upgrade 
> stopped.  Then, once I finally got to the "Preparing Update" message, the 
> phone was stuck there for a good 20 minutes.  I actually had to go through 
> this process twice to get to the point where the update was installed.
> 
> Then, once that was done, I was unable to unlock the phone without sighted 
> assistance, because I kept being taken to a screen similar to that described 
> in the first paragraph.  There was a swipe to unlock button, but I was unable 
> to activate it with Voiceover.  The only way to unlock the phone was to have 
> my husband come and swipe the unlock button.  I had planned to hold off on 
> setting up Face ID till later today, but ended up doing it, just because that 
> seems like the only way I can unlock my phone.  Setting up Face ID was not 
> too bad.  There was some trial and error, it probably took me three attempts 
> or so to get it set up.  But now that it is, it is working fine.
> 
> I know that some others' experiences have not been this awful.  I wonder if 
> any of what I experienced is carrier specific.  I'm with Verizon, so other VZ 
> users might want to have all this in mind.  I really haven't even used the 
> phone yet.  But I would say this.  If you upgrade, make sure you have sighted 
> assistance available, either via a friend or family member, or by store 
> personnel.
> Best,
> Donna
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new group, braille display users

[Kliphton Miller]

Hello, 1st let me start by saying I have been granted permission to post this.  
I got myself a new focus 40 blue fifth generation, and found there is no 
support groups and very limited documentation out there.  So I created a group 
so we can all help each other.  NOt just for the focus series, but for all 
braille displays.  To join this group send a request to
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Re: Focus blue commands?

[Kliphton Miller]

I was actually talking about on the phone, but probably the same aspect.

> On Dec 2, 2017, at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This would be he "mute voiceover" command, the only default place to find it 
> is in the touchpad commander where it has the same gesture as on the IOS 
> platform, which is double click with three fingers.
> There is also a mute checkbox in the voice area of VoiceOver utility but I 
> expect this leaves the sounds on and just mutes the voice.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is it possible to turn voiceover off while using braille display, or does vo 
>> have to stay on?  There are time I want to just read and not hear vo, is 
>> this possible?
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:shoole...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> To cycle between Grade 2, grade 1, and eight-dots computer code, for typing 
>>> in the name of a website for example, Hold down dots 2, 3, 6, as in 
>>> question mark, etc, and press the space bar, then release them both.
>>> 
>>> To basically go to the top, hold down the letter L and press space, then 
>>> release.
>>> 
>>> To go down to the bottom, hold down dots 4, 5, 6, which is the opposite of 
>>> the letter L, to help you remember, press space, then release.
>>> 
>>> To go to the home page, hold the letter H and press space, then release.  
>>> If you’re on another page, just repeat that command.
>>> 
>>> Hth,
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 5:56 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> got my hands on a focus 40 blue.  I need to know a few commands
>>>> how do I switch to grade 2?
>>>> how do I go back a menu or to the home screen on the iPhone?
>>>> and is it possible to connect the focus to the mac, if so, how?  Thanks.
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Re: Focus blue commands?

[Kliphton Miller]

Is it possible to turn voiceover off while using braille display, or does vo 
have to stay on?  There are time I want to just read and not hear vo, is this 
possible?

> On Dec 2, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> To cycle between Grade 2, grade 1, and eight-dots computer code, for typing 
> in the name of a website for example, Hold down dots 2, 3, 6, as in question 
> mark, etc, and press the space bar, then release them both.
> 
> To basically go to the top, hold down the letter L and press space, then 
> release.
> 
> To go down to the bottom, hold down dots 4, 5, 6, which is the opposite of 
> the letter L, to help you remember, press space, then release.
> 
> To go to the home page, hold the letter H and press space, then release.  If 
> you’re on another page, just repeat that command.
> 
> Hth,
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 5:56 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> got my hands on a focus 40 blue.  I need to know a few commands
>> how do I switch to grade 2?
>> how do I go back a menu or to the home screen on the iPhone?
>> and is it possible to connect the focus to the mac, if so, how?  Thanks.
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Focus blue commands?

[Kliphton Miller]

got my hands on a focus 40 blue.  I need to know a few commands
how do I switch to grade 2?
how do I go back a menu or to the home screen on the iPhone?
and is it possible to connect the focus to the mac, if so, how?  Thanks.

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Re: Focus 40 with gen?

[Kliphton Miller]

Well every experience is different, and the email I saw about continuing 
production was on there magnifier, not the braille display.  I have been 
waiting for a unit since august, was even told by the rep who came to my home 
to show it to me that I would be on the next shipment, that shipment came and 
went, so I went with VFO, the authorization was submitted Tuesday, and the unit 
is in my hands right now.  CAn’t argue with results.

> On Dec 1, 2017, at 9:17 AM, alia robinson <ali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> they are starting production again soon, and they have replied to my emails 
> within 2 hours, even called me from their own homes. I can’t say enough about 
> their customer service.
> 
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Tried to get that model, but they stopped production, and took a long time to 
> even reply to my inquires, so I went with the fifth gen, it’s more durable 
> and protects against drops and bumps.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2017, at 6:05 AM, alia robinson <ali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> just imo, but I don’t like focus displays. they don’t feel durable to me. I 
>> sent mine back before the 30 day return and got a varioultra.I also prefer a 
>> display with storage so I’m not having to connect to anything.
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2017, at 6:00 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone have any experience with this perticular braille display?  I am 
>> thinking about picking one up to use with iPhone and mac.  Is there a 
>> mailing list for it, some documentation I can read about commands or how to 
>> pair and use the device properly?  TIA
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Re: Focus 40 with gen?

[Kliphton Miller]

Tried to get that model, but they stopped production, and took a long time to 
even reply to my inquires, so I went with the fifth gen, it’s more durable and 
protects against drops and bumps.

> On Dec 1, 2017, at 6:05 AM, alia robinson <ali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> just imo, but I don’t like focus displays. they don’t feel durable to me. I 
> sent mine back before the 30 day return and got a varioultra.I also prefer a 
> display with storage so I’m not having to connect to anything.
> 
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 6:00 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with this perticular braille display?  I am 
> thinking about picking one up to use with iPhone and mac.  Is there a mailing 
> list for it, some documentation I can read about commands or how to pair and 
> use the device properly?  TIA
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Focus 40 with gen?

[Kliphton Miller]

Does anyone have any experience with this perticular braille display?  I am 
thinking about picking one up to use with iPhone and mac.  Is there a mailing 
list for it, some documentation I can read about commands or how to pair and 
use the device properly?  TIA

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Re: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.

[Kliphton Miller]

Dennis, I think your right.  I called to help my brother order an iPHone X 
today, and that rep also said 60 days.
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 1:24 AM, Dennis Clark <den...@dgclark.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark, Cliff  and list ,
> I purchased a computer from Apple today, and they told me that I had 60 days 
> to purchase Apple Care. It kind of sounds like it depends on which Apple 
> employee one is talking with.
> Best,
> Dennis
> 
> - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:39 PM
> Subject: RE: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.
> 
> 
>> Hello Cliff,
>> 
>> I stand corrected.
>> 
>> I thought it was 60 days but, now that I think about it, when last I was in 
>> an Apple store, I was told 30 days from the date of purchase, as well.
>> 
>> I don't know why I cannot get that 60-day time period out of my head. 
>> (smile).
>> 
>> I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.
>> 
>> Mark, I called apple about this last friday, and they told me apple care had 
>> to be purchased within 30 days of any device.  When were you told 60 days?
>>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:46 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Karen,
>>> 
>>> In the U.S., one can add Apple Care Plus to an iPhone up to 60 days
>>> from the date of purchase.  This, of course, is assuming that one buys
>>> the device from an authorized retailer.
>>> 
>>> I would expect the same or similar would be true in Canada, also.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:27 PM
>>> To: list voiceover
>>> Subject: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I do hope I have the service plan name correctly.
>>> As of December 1, all Canadian mobile providers must unlock phones
>>> free of charge.  I recently got an  IPhone 5..more to the type, that
>>> is tied to Bell, and that I
>>> intend   having unlocked.
>>> Once that is done I want to have an apple genius help me do some
>>> things, add all the enhanced voices the phone will support for example.
>>> As I have no other functional apple product, and to insure things are
>>> done well with some backup in person I want to buy the Apple care
>>> support service.
>>> Can I do this even if I did not buy the phone from Apple directly? My
>>> hope is that as I acquire the other apple things I desire, like a
>>> slightly older macbook pro, the care package will extend to those items as 
>>> well.
>>> Possible?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.

[Kliphton Miller]

Mark, I called apple about this last friday, and they told me apple care had to 
be purchased within 30 days of any device.  When were you told 60 days?
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:46 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Karen, 
> 
> In the U.S., one can add Apple Care Plus to an iPhone up to 60 days from the
> date of purchase.  This, of course, is assuming that one buys the device
> from an authorized retailer.  
> 
> I would expect the same or similar would be true in Canada, also.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:27 PM
> To: list voiceover
> Subject: a question about apple care, for an unlocked iphone.
> 
> Hi folks,
> I do hope I have the service plan name correctly.
> As of December 1, all Canadian mobile providers must unlock phones free of
> charge.  I recently got an  IPhone 5..more to the type, that is tied to
> Bell, and that I 
> intend   having unlocked.
> Once that is done I want to have an apple genius help me do some things, add
> all the enhanced voices the phone will support for example.
> As I have no other functional apple product, and to insure things are done
> well with some backup in person I want to buy the Apple care support
> service.
> Can I do this even if I did not buy the phone from Apple directly? My hope
> is that as I acquire the other apple things I desire, like a slightly older
> macbook pro, the care package will extend to those items as well.
> Possible?
> Kare
> 
> 
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Re: Well, I caved. lol

[Kliphton Miller]

oh, forgot to mention, if you don’t already know since verizons phones are 
shippped unlocked, I was able to pop my t-mobile sim card in, restore from a 
iCloud backup, and I was up and running in less than 10 minutes.
> On Nov 27, 2017, at 12:35 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I was lucky enough to get mine on launch day.  I didn’t get it from my 
> carrier though, I have a friend who is a verizon customer, he added a line to 
> his account, and gave me the phone.  Of course I am paying him for it, but 
> T-Mobile only opened the doors on launch day to tell customers they didn’t 
> have any.  I wasn’t going to get it, but when I got that device in my hands?  
> It was a no brainer, it felt like a shiny new catalack with no miles on it!  
> It felt so good in my hands, and the design of it?  Man this phone is nice.  
> ANd the new gestures to me now are 2nd nature just like on my iPHone7 and 
> before.  I see that the wait times are down to 1 to 2 weeks, instead of 5 
> weeks.  That is good for anyone who wants one.
>> On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:31 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> That's wonderful.  What a marvelous Christmas present.  
>> 
>> Yesterday, two friends and I walked into an Apple Store.  Quite 
>> off-handedly, one of my friends asked if they had any iPhone 10s in stock.  
>> All three of us were expecting the Apple employee to say, "No."  However, 
>> she said,  "Yes."  After the initial shock wore off, both of my friends, a 
>> husband and wife team, decided to buy two devices, one for each of them.  
>> 
>> We had a lot of fun, setting up their new phones; and I just spoke to them, 
>> today, and they are totally in love with their iPhone 10s.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:56 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Well, I caved. lol
>> 
>> Before the X was released, I had been thinking I would buy it, so that I 
>> could keep my 7 and use it as an iPod.  My current iPod is a 5th Gen Touch, 
>> and it's gotten so slow that I've come close to hurling it at the wall more 
>> than once.  Last night, after my husband and I went to the VZ store, he told 
>> me that if I wanted the X, he'd give it to me for Christmas. So, given the 
>> iPod situation, I decided to go for it.  I figure if I'd bought an iPhone 
>> SE, which was the other option, it would have cost as much, and I would have 
>> gotten a device that was inferior to my 7.
>> 
>> So, after all my posts yesterday, here I am, waiting for my X to ship. lol 
>> Cheers, Donna
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Re: Well, I caved. lol

[Kliphton Miller]

I was lucky enough to get mine on launch day.  I didn’t get it from my carrier 
though, I have a friend who is a verizon customer, he added a line to his 
account, and gave me the phone.  Of course I am paying him for it, but T-Mobile 
only opened the doors on launch day to tell customers they didn’t have any.  I 
wasn’t going to get it, but when I got that device in my hands?  It was a no 
brainer, it felt like a shiny new catalack with no miles on it!  It felt so 
good in my hands, and the design of it?  Man this phone is nice.  ANd the new 
gestures to me now are 2nd nature just like on my iPHone7 and before.  I see 
that the wait times are down to 1 to 2 weeks, instead of 5 weeks.  That is good 
for anyone who wants one.
> On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:31 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> That's wonderful.  What a marvelous Christmas present.  
> 
> Yesterday, two friends and I walked into an Apple Store.  Quite off-handedly, 
> one of my friends asked if they had any iPhone 10s in stock.  All three of us 
> were expecting the Apple employee to say, "No."  However, she said,  "Yes."  
> After the initial shock wore off, both of my friends, a husband and wife 
> team, decided to buy two devices, one for each of them.  
> 
> We had a lot of fun, setting up their new phones; and I just spoke to them, 
> today, and they are totally in love with their iPhone 10s.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Well, I caved. lol
> 
> Before the X was released, I had been thinking I would buy it, so that I 
> could keep my 7 and use it as an iPod.  My current iPod is a 5th Gen Touch, 
> and it's gotten so slow that I've come close to hurling it at the wall more 
> than once.  Last night, after my husband and I went to the VZ store, he told 
> me that if I wanted the X, he'd give it to me for Christmas. So, given the 
> iPod situation, I decided to go for it.  I figure if I'd bought an iPhone SE, 
> which was the other option, it would have cost as much, and I would have 
> gotten a device that was inferior to my 7.
> 
> So, after all my posts yesterday, here I am, waiting for my X to ship. lol 
> Cheers, Donna
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Re: Seventh Heaven Apples, Anyone?

[Kliphton Miller]

you tripple click the side button to turn voiceover off and on, the gesture is, 
slide up until you get habtic feedback to go back or close a folder, and do it 
until you get 2 habtic feedbaks to get the app switcher.  I have with some 
success just placed my finger where the home button use to be, lifted my 
finger, and the folder has closed.  Think this is by accident, cause it doesn’t 
happen everytime.
> On Nov 25, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Just curious, cliff. What is the gesture that replaces the home button? Also, 
> how does one turn voiceover on and off?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> yes, the home button being gone is not a big deal, and the gesture is 2nd 
>> nature once you do it a few times.  Is it the best phone out there, that 
>> depends who you talk to, I came from a 8 and got the x for work, just sold 
>> the 8, and working on getting rid of my 7, maybe I will just give it to my 
>> 12 year old.  But the x grows on you, and it is much snappier than the 7.
>>> On Nov 25, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, Simon,
>>> 
>>> The size wouldn't bother me, as I've never had a Plus phone.  So you really 
>>> don't miss the home button? I like the fact that with it being tactile, I 
>>> can press it without thinking about where I am on the screen, etc.  Is the 
>>> gesture that replaces it easy to invoke?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Nov 25, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HI Mark and Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> If I was to have a dislike for the x it has to now after a couple of 
>>>> weeks, 
>>>> Be the size of it.
>>>> 
>>>> For the passed 3 years or so I've had + sized phones,
>>>> 
>>>> Now the x is the size of the 7  I am starting more to notice the 
>>>> difference but it's growing on me.
>>>> 
>>>> I still look forward to what comes next year 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017 1:46 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Seventh Heaven Apples, Anyone?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> You know, I totally get why this is the case.  I've always been one who 
>>>> wanted the latest and greatest iPhone, but I've decided to sit this year 
>>>> out and hang on to my iPhone 7.  There are several reasons for this 
>>>> decision.  the 8 just doesn't feel like much of a step up, so there 
>>>> doesn't seem much point.  As for the X, first off, the price is 
>>>> ridiculous. Though I'm curious about face  ID, I don't feel like I 
>>>> absolutely have to have it.  I also like having a home button, and would 
>>>> prefer not to give that up until I have to, and yes, I suppose that within 
>>>> a year or two I will have to.  Finally, my hunch is that the phone that 
>>>> Apple releases next year (10S?) will be an improved version of the X, with 
>>>> many of the rough edges smoothed out, and probably a bit more speed, if 
>>>> Apple's past history is predictive here.  I'm also betting that once this 
>>>> model and it's technology are no longer new, the price will drop 
>>>> significantly.
>>>> 
>>>> Just curious, after the 7, what was the most common answer?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 9:07 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Today, Friday, November 24, 2017 is/was Black Friday, here in the US.  
>>>>> This is the busiest shopping day of the year, for us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As it turned out, I went to two very large shopping centers today, 
>>>>> each having an Apple Store.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At both locations, I was stunned to see so, so many people in lines, 
>>>>> outside the stores, waiting to buy new iPhones. There were lines for 
>>>>> other devices, also but the iPhone lines were definitely the longest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I passed by t

Re: Seventh Heaven Apples, Anyone?

[Kliphton Miller]

yes, the home button being gone is not a big deal, and the gesture is 2nd 
nature once you do it a few times.  Is it the best phone out there, that 
depends who you talk to, I came from a 8 and got the x for work, just sold the 
8, and working on getting rid of my 7, maybe I will just give it to my 12 year 
old.  But the x grows on you, and it is much snappier than the 7.
> On Nov 25, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Simon,
> 
> The size wouldn't bother me, as I've never had a Plus phone.  So you really 
> don't miss the home button? I like the fact that with it being tactile, I can 
> press it without thinking about where I am on the screen, etc.  Is the 
> gesture that replaces it easy to invoke?
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 25, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> HI Mark and Donna,
>> 
>> If I was to have a dislike for the x it has to now after a couple of weeks, 
>> Be the size of it.
>> 
>> For the passed 3 years or so I've had + sized phones,
>> 
>> Now the x is the size of the 7  I am starting more to notice the difference 
>> but it's growing on me.
>> 
>> I still look forward to what comes next year 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017 1:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Seventh Heaven Apples, Anyone?
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> You know, I totally get why this is the case.  I've always been one who 
>> wanted the latest and greatest iPhone, but I've decided to sit this year out 
>> and hang on to my iPhone 7.  There are several reasons for this decision.  
>> the 8 just doesn't feel like much of a step up, so there doesn't seem much 
>> point.  As for the X, first off, the price is ridiculous. Though I'm curious 
>> about face  ID, I don't feel like I absolutely have to have it.  I also like 
>> having a home button, and would prefer not to give that up until I have to, 
>> and yes, I suppose that within a year or two I will have to.  Finally, my 
>> hunch is that the phone that Apple releases next year (10S?) will be an 
>> improved version of the X, with many of the rough edges smoothed out, and 
>> probably a bit more speed, if Apple's past history is predictive here.  I'm 
>> also betting that once this model and it's technology are no longer new, the 
>> price will drop significantly.
>> 
>> Just curious, after the 7, what was the most common answer?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 9:07 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Today, Friday, November 24, 2017 is/was Black Friday, here in the US.  
>>> This is the busiest shopping day of the year, for us.
>>> 
>>> As it turned out, I went to two very large shopping centers today, 
>>> each having an Apple Store.
>>> 
>>> At both locations, I was stunned to see so, so many people in lines, 
>>> outside the stores, waiting to buy new iPhones. There were lines for 
>>> other devices, also but the iPhone lines were definitely the longest.
>>> 
>>> As I passed by the lines, I decided to query some of the people to see 
>>> which phone they were going to purchase.
>>> 
>>> It was strange, I only had to walk up to one or two people before 
>>> everyone else began volunteering their choices.  Now that I think 
>>> about it, these stores were near Hollywood and, no doubt, some of the 
>>> people thought we were preparing for some kind of a camera shoot or 
>>> something.  Everyone in these areas of town wants to be, "discovered," as 
>>> it were.  (smile).
>>> 
>>> Now that I think about it, the last time I waited in line to purchase 
>>> an iPhone, some years back, I was interviewed by a local news crew so, 
>>> such things can and do happen here.  (smile).
>>> 
>>> But I digress.
>>> 
>>> The reason I am posting this little vignette is to express my surprise 
>>> at how many people were choosing to buy iPhone 7 and 7 Plus models.  I 
>>> probably spoke to about 150 people, both locations included, and I'd 
>>> estimate that at least one-third of them were heading to iPhone 7th heaven.
>>> 
>>> The iPHone 7 series is alive and well with Apple orchards, everywhere.
>>> (smile)
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: iTunes library on a Mac and a PC?

[Kliphton Miller]

they do some very good NAS devices, I have 2 one at home, and one at work.  And 
I can access both of them from my iPHone when traveling.  The one at work is a 
modest 8TB, the one at home is 24TB.  and I store my iTunes library on both of 
them so I can play my music anywhere, I also subscribe to iTunes match, and I 
love that service to.  it just depends on what works for you.
> On Nov 25, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I know western digital do some very good nas cloud devices,
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, 25 November 2017 3:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes library on a Mac and a PC?
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> I believe one can purchase a network attached storage device for around $120 
> or thereabouts.  
> 
> Also, if one has a modern router, one can actually attach any USB key or 
> drive and it will act like a NAS.  The benefit of using a USB drive on a 
> network attached storage device is that one can easily use it as a 
> stand-alone drive, at any time.  Rarely, very rarely, a NAS UI can become 
> corrupt and this can cause one to lose all of one's data.  This happened to 
> me, once.  Fortunately, I was able to recover the drive but, since that time, 
> I use USB drives as NAS devices, exclusively.  
> 
> As you say, in order for this to work, one does need a router or hub that can 
> support such a configuration.  
> 
> Like you, I have a lot of movies, television shows, audio books, that I have 
> imported into my iTunes Library, over the years.  
> 
> I don't think setting up a USB router NAS system would be difficult should 
> one choose to undertake such a project as a learning experience. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes library on a Mac and a PC?
> 
> Thanks, Mark. That is unfortunate. We don’t have one of those devices, and 
> they’re probably a pain to set up, if it’s even possible with my old Apple 
> Airport extreme router. What a bummer. 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 11:09 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mary,
>> 
>> Both a PC and a Mac can have access to the same iTunes Library.  
>> 
>> All one need do is to make certain that the Library is located on a central 
>> drive. For example a network attached storage device.  
>> 
>> This is the setup I have in my home and it works well as my primary computer 
>> continues to be a Windows desktop computer.  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 10:36 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iTunes library on a Mac and a PC?
>> 
>> Is it possible to have your iTunes library on a Mac and a PC at the same 
>> time? If so, how? Mine is presently on Mac, where it has lived for  some 
>> years. I just got a PC running windows 10, and I would like to be able to 
>> have my library on this machine as well.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Face ID set up seccessfully.

[Kliphton Miller]

hold the phone about arms legth away, you don’t hold it close, it has to be 
some distance so the camera can scan the photo print it took.
> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> After lots of trial and error, I got my Face ID set up but now I can't seem 
> to unlock the phone with my face.  So what's the easiest way of doing that 
> please?  Never have I ever taken a selfiy so I have no idea how to do these 
> things.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Another I phone ten user as of tomorrow!

[Kliphton Miller]

listen to jonathan mosen’s podcast, that will help you a lot.  The key is to 
turn your face in a clockwise motion while the camera is scanning your face, 
that will set it up flawlessly the 1st time.
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I get my I phone ten tomorrow along with the Moffy Wireless charging base.  
> Excuse for the spelling.  Hope that I will like it and that I can get Face ID 
> working tomorrow!
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: iPhone X and face ID

[Kliphton Miller]

the attention setting being on doesn’t slow me down and it always unlocks the 
phone, this is huge for me because both my eyes are prostetics, what I found is 
if you move your eyes either difrection, the phone will know you are paying 
attention.  Since it works for me, and is a higher security measure, then I 
leave it on.
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 9:00 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  
> Yeah I’m finding it very easy
>  
> I did a small experiment lastnight with it
>  
> I turned on the attention neded setting and tried again to use the face id.
>  
> No matter what I did I could not unlock the phone using face id.
>  
> Turning attention needed off again and even with the lights off it unlocked 
> my phone
>  
> So a warning of types to the Blind and VI community with the iPhone x
> I personally find face id great but better with the attention needed feature 
> turned off.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Sunday, 19 November 2017 4:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: iPhone X and face ID
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Thanks for this Simon.  I kept hearing all sorts of people lamenting that the 
> Face ID would be more cumbersome than the Touch ID.  It's good to hear from a 
> blind user as to its ease of use and setup.  I realize that you're just one 
> opinion out of many, but good to hear actual use-case experiences instead of 
> speculation.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>  
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 03:59, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> FYI an addition to the iPhone X
>  
> I setup the face id today and I started by turning off the attention settings 
> so it doesn’t require me to look directly at the screen or camera
>  
> I don’t know about anyone else but a totally blind person looking at a 
> specific point on a small screen seems to me to be harder than it sounds.
>  
> And I’m not normally worried about these things,
> But after a couple hours trying it was a waste of time and effort.
>  
> So turning off the attention settings which is located under settings, 
> general and accessibility
>  
> I went to face id / pin code
>  
> The face ID set up is in kiwi talk,
> Bloody easy 
>  
> The phone does 2 scans of the face to get the image of the face,
>  
> The phone tells you what it requires you to do  or should I say VO tells you.
>  
> Then after a couple of minutes of the face scanning
>  
> I was able to lock my phone and then unlock it in seconds with the face id.
>  
> I’m inclined to say that face id is quicker by far when unlocking your phone 
> than touch id is / was.
>  
> The face id setup is very simple and as I said easy to do.
>  
> The instructions are clear from the phone and take in total less than 5 
> minutes in total to carry out.
>  
> I did try it tonight in darkness but that so far hasn’t gone well,
> I ended up using my pin code as the face id didn’t unlock the device in the 
> early darkness,
>  
> Thus far I have to admit I’m really impressed by the X
> It’s quick and responsive to touch.
> The face id is quick and easier to do than the pin code and unlike the pin 
> code with vo running can’t be heard by the people around you.
>  
> I’ve just changed my pin code for the first time in 3 years as folks I work 
> with have been hearing my pin code over the passed couple of days.
> Now they wont because of the face id.
>  
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Re: it's here, the X

[Kliphton Miller]

yes, vo is much snappyer and gestures register a lot quicker than they have in 
the past.  Sometimes I have to go a little slower because vo is keeping up with 
my jestures better than on any phone I had in the past.
> On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
> faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
> experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
> feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
> noticeable?
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> All I can say is that it's different.
>> 
>> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>> 
>> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
>> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
>> 
>> Hope to get my 10 next week.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home 
>>> button, but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I 
>>> have also learned you can still get to notifications and the control center 
>>> the exact same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a 
>>> folder, I just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down 
>>> a bit and the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent 
>>> of the time.
>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>>>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>>>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. 
>>>> How do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, 
>>>> is plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
>>>> more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes 
>>>> accessing apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something 
>>>> else entirely?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>>>> Mavericks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>>>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>>> for the Blind
>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote

Re: it's here, the X

[Kliphton Miller]

the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s fine. 
 You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is to 
close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I think 
it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, but a lot 
of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also learned you 
can still get to notifications and the control center the exact same way.  This 
one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I just place my finger 
at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and the folder closes for me. 
 Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
> some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
> but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
> like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
> but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
> two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
> more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>> Mavericks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>>> Services for the Blind
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. > wrote:
 
  Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
 Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
> Services for the Blind
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > > wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone 
>>> X had arrived,
>>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
>>> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
>>> versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
>>> start point and run through without an issue
>>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
>>> impressed with what they have done,
>>> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy 
>>> to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home 
>>> screens.
>>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
>>> great screen realestate to work with,
>>> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
>>> around to come over the next couple of days
>>> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
>>> place.
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Re: ScanSnap Configuration?

[Kliphton Miller]

I use it, but I have it going directly to my google drive folder.  ONce it 
installs on your mac, and you grant permission to your googlr drive, you should 
be done

> On Nov 12, 2017, at 1:04 PM, hellomatty  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> Wondering if anyone here has Fujitsu Scansnap/ Mac experience and can help me 
> with configuration? I'm using ScanSnap Manager 3.2L80 on Mac OS 10.12.3 and 
> the app does not seem to be playing well with VoiceOver for me :-(
> 
> I'm trying to get rid of the confirmation dialog that comes up when scanning 
> to a folder. I can select a profile to edit in ScanSnap Manager but after 
> clicking the 'Details' button to edit the profile I don't seem to be able to 
> VO-navigate into the sheet :-(
> 
> I found the plist files in ~/Librry/Preferences but couldn't work out what 
> changes to make in there :-(
> 
> With thanks in advance any help gratefully received!
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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Kliphton Miller]

It’s a bit smaller than the apple BT keyboard.  Donna, no it does not fold up.
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
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> Hi Cliffton,
> 
> How big is this Logitech keyboard?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone
> 
> I like the logitech BT keyboard, make sure you get the 811 model, not the 
> 810, although it probably don’t matter if your just using IOS.  This keyboard 
> can be paired to 3 devices, and works perfectly with any IOS device as well 
> as the appleTV
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If I wanted a small portible keyboard I would want the F and J marked.  I 
>> stopped looking for keyboards long ago because I couldn't find a mark on the 
>> F and J.
>> 
>> I am a touch typist and when I started typing at school we were taught that 
>> the F and J was marked which made it easier for VI people.  I was taught 
>> over 30 years ago so that shows you what age I might be!  All though I am 
>> not 60 so you can guess and come to your conclusions.
>> 
>> I at present use my small Focus 14 as a keyboard.
>> 
>> So if anyone knows of a good portible keyboard (not apple as it's too big) a 
>> small one which has the F and J marked and is made of metal (none of those 
>> cheap plastic ones thanks) I might be interested!
>> 
>> Thank you and please of course.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 7 Nov 2017, at 19:30, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to amazon.com.
>>> http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8
>>> 
>>> It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
>>> sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
>>> and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.
>>> 
>>> Enjoyu,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
>>> iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
>>> loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
>>> portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Kliphton Miller]

I like the logitech BT keyboard, make sure you get the 811 model, not the 810, 
although it probably don’t matter if your just using IOS.  This keyboard can be 
paired to 3 devices, and works perfectly with any IOS device as well as the 
appleTV

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> If I wanted a small portible keyboard I would want the F and J marked.  I 
> stopped looking for keyboards long ago because I couldn't find a mark on the 
> F and J.
> 
> I am a touch typist and when I started typing at school we were taught that 
> the F and J was marked which made it easier for VI people.  I was taught over 
> 30 years ago so that shows you what age I might be!  All though I am not 60 
> so you can guess and come to your conclusions.
> 
> I at present use my small Focus 14 as a keyboard.
> 
> So if anyone knows of a good portible keyboard (not apple as it's too big) a 
> small one which has the F and J marked and is made of metal (none of those 
> cheap plastic ones thanks) I might be interested!
> 
> Thank you and please of course.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 7 Nov 2017, at 19:30, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to amazon.com.
>> http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8
>> 
>> It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
>> sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
>> and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.
>> 
>> Enjoyu,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> 
>> On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
>> iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
>> loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
>> portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: accessible vpn

[Kliphton Miller]

I use a service called “hide my ass”. HMA.  It is very accessible, and price 
was very fair.  I paid for a whole year for just over 50 bucks.  It even shows 
up in your status menu.  YOu can connect and disconnect instantly.
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 10:59 AM, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> I think this has been asked before, but here goes! Does anybody know
> of a good VPN that is accessible on the mac and windows?
> I recently signed up with Nord VPN because it was an editor's choice
> on pc magazine. While the service was great, the price fair, and
> support pretty good, the software was crap! I finally got it set on
> the mac to connect on boot-up, and sometimes it actually did! I
> couldn't tell what server I was connected to though. On windows it was
> worse. I could connect using the wizzard but no other way, and the
> settings were totally unaccessible.
> I've just got my money back from Nord and am looking for something better!
> Thanks Jeff
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Re: Is There No Way to Hide Purchased iBooks in iOS 10 or Later?

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I have done this once so let me try to explain it.  YOu go into select mode, 
once you have selected the books you want to hide, all the way to the end there 
is an option that says hide, this should be right after delete or create a 
collection.
> On Oct 8, 2017, at 9:38 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In iOS 9, one could easily hide purchased iBooks from within the iOS iBook
> app.  
> 
> Try as I may, I can not discover how this is done in iOS 10, if, in fact, it
> can be done at all.
> 
> My Google searches result in articles written for the iOS 9 iBook app.
> 
> Do any of you know how to hide purchased iBooks in iOS 10 or 11?
> 
> All responses greatly appreciated.
> 
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Re: shutting down latest MBP?

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since there is no eject button, I just go to the apple menu, and select shut 
down.  In theery, you never have to shut it down anyway because the SSD is so 
quick that booting up takes no time at all.  JMO

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:21 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> How does one do this?  Thus far, the only way I've found is to do a force 
> quit by pressing and holding the Eject key.
> TIA,
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Re: Anybody left in Florida?

[Kliphton Miller]

WE in Tallahassee over here.  Store shelves are bare, people are leaving town, 
and the Red Cross is stocking up and picking up the homeless.  I just grabbed 
15 cases of water, 10 cases of gadarade, and some juice boxes for the kids.  It 
is expected to come threw here later on tonight so we will see what happens.  
The place I live is hurricane ready, so we will see what happens.
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> On Sep 10, 2017, at 2:51 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I lived in West Palm for a long time, talking to my friend this evening who 
> still does on the 18th floor of a condo complex.  Sounds like a place I would 
> not want to be.  We’re pulling for you all up here.  Looks like it’s headed a 
> bit west so may be little bit less damaging than originally thought but that 
> sure seems like a whopper of a storm.  Keep the powder dry down there.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Terje,
>> 
>> yes were down here in Sunrise fl Broward County AKA Fort Lauderdale
>> We just had a feeder band go through! and a tornado watch just went in to 
>> effect! :)
>> Shutters locked and loaded!
>> Chuck
>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>> "Albert Einstein’
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:
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>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> Are there someone from Florida or Georgia on this list? Good luck.
>>> 
>>> Take care
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Re: vpn services

[Kliphton Miller]

Scott, does all of the nighthawk routers have this feature?  Got my eye on one 
that just came out this past June.  Here is the link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072LZZZXB/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Let me know what you think.


> On Aug 26, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Few ways you could do this.
> 
> My router has Open VPN built in, it’s a Netgear Night Hawk 8500 and it has 
> all the certs and everything pre built.  Very easy to set up.  I can then 
> either just connect to my home network and send everything else in the clear 
> or tunnel everything through the home connection encrypted.  
> 
> You could also build a server with two NICs and put one on the inside 
> network, one on the outside, enable IP forwarding and install Open VPN.  
> Advantage here is you can use existing hardware in your collection but more 
> setup work on the down side.
> 
>   You could also buy some hardware on eBay used.  Something like an old 
> Cisco ASA or Juniper SRX that you would wire up similarly and or use as a 
> router replacement.  Since you’re a technical guy and heavy on the systems 
> side you might like this option so you start learning and working with 
> enterprise level gear on the cheap.
> 
> Just a ew ideas.
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and anyone else with thoughts on this.
>>  
>> I’m looking for a VPN service either existing that I can use to connect from 
>> my mac book air or iPad / iPhone to my home systems which consist of a 
>> couple of mac minis and windows servers 2012R2 and others.
>>  
>> I just want something to connect from the remote device to the home end and 
>> then rdp into what I need at the time to access.
>> I’m not sure free is the best option but thoughts greatfully appreciated.
>>  
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Re: Quick updates on Money Reader and LookTel Recognizer

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What is the difference between the 2?  Didn’t it start as money reader, and 
then change the name to look tell money reader?
> On Aug 14, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Should be pretty easy to recompile for 64 bit.  Hope it goes well I’m a big 
> fan and user of looktel.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2017, at 8:27 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
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>> Good to hear some news on these being updated. Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> On 8/13/17, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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>>> I just want to send along a quick note to let you know that both Money
>>> Reader and Recognizer are receiving attention right now.
>>> 
>>> We hope to have Recognizer updated in time for the iOS 11 release so there
>>> will be no interruptions for customers using it. This will depend on the
>>> amount of work involved and the resources available.
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much to all of you who are using these apps. I will share more
>>> when I know more.
>>> 
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>>> or caraqu...@caraquinn.com.
>>> 
>>> Have a terrific rest of your day / weekend!
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>>> Cheers!
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Kliphton Miller]

If you want to discuss the beta’s freely, and you are using at least one beta 
on 1 of your devices, you can join my beta list
Are you testing an apple beta?  want to discuss bugs with other testers?  Then 
come join a friendly, helpful, laid back community where we can squash these 
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Because of the non disclosure agreement, I have to say if your not a beta 
tester, please don’t join the group.

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:17 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Even Applevis puts restrictions on discussions regarding betas.
> 
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 8/10/2017 7:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing 
>> of voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google 
>> cast man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy 
>> posts on the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be 
>> able to discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion 
>>> at
>>> challswor...@icloud.com
>>> Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
 On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Anders,
 
 Beta software questions are not for this list.
 
 If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
 contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email 
 address in the body of the post.
 
 Thank you,
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
 
 Hi!
 For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question 
 for you.
 If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that 
 it comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
 I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
 voiceover will stay on the iphone.
 I have reported this to apple.
 I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
 device which was possible in ios 10.
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

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Bluetooth not wifi.
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> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:33 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   The Apple keyboard supports wifi?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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> On 8/7/2017 1:34 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> The apple wifi bt keyboard.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 10:13 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Bluetooth Keyboards
>> 
>>What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices?
>> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
>> size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but may 
>> as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Kliphton Miller]

It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on there it only 
pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My Logitech pairs to 3 devices, 
and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick to it.  JMO
> On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
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> Hi, 
> Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, but 
> can pair to up to five devices at once.
> HTH, 
> Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>>  What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
>> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
>> size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but may 
>> as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
>> 
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Bootcamp vs VM fusion?

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So, I have used fusion in the past, but never fusion.  Someone asked me witch 
is better, but since I have never given bootcamp a spin, I can’t answer that.  
So, anybody tried both, what is the advantages and disadvantages?  Except with 
fusion I know you can run both systems at once, so besides that?  Personally, I 
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The focus 14 or 20 line

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How many devices can the focus 14 or 20 connect too?

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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Kliphton Miller]

Click the button in the upper left corner 3 times.  This will turn voiceover on.

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 10:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Editing videos on an Apple 4th generation?

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I think your asking to much!lol.  Quick time works great, and so does hand 
break.  Both are free.
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> On Jul 25, 2017, at 11:41 PM, David & his pack of dogs 
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> If a video is shot using an IPhone 6S plus, can it then be edited on a 4th 
> generation Apple TV?  Or, am I wanting too much.  If not, what app would 
> y’all suggest.  
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Re: IOS 11 beta question

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That shut down button has been there since beta 1.  I am with t mobile, and I 
do not have this issue with voice mail.  You want more answers from beta 
testers, come join my group
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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:46 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi IOS Beta Testers,
>  
> Just wondering if anyone else other than myself is finding the new IOS 11 
> beta phone voicemail feature a bit of a pain in the butt?
>  
> Prior to IOS11 it was a case of click on the voicemail tab in the phone app 
> and it would automatically connect you to your mobile services voicemail and 
> tellyou what messages you have either new or saved.
>  
> At least that is what my provider gives me 
>  
> Now in IOS11 it’s a case of click on the voicemail button and then you have 
> to click the call voicemail which appears on the screen,
>  
> There doesn’t appear to be anything else on the screen except this which to 
> me is kind of a pain to have to initiate.
>  
> I didn’t notice this in beta 2 but in beta 3 out today the new shutdown 
> button is great as is the air drop option both under general in settings.
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Re: Refreshable Braille devices?

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I doubt that the expensive ones will go away.  Yes the orbit gives a cheaper 
option, but it has been rumored to have a lot of bugs, it only connects to 1 
device at a time, and as long as state agencies are paying for there clients to 
have them, they will continue to be around.  JMO
> On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> The orbit reader is coming and it's going to cost £500 (nort sure what that 
> is in dollars) but it's a whole lot cheaper.  When that comes out on the 
> market, braille displays, the expensive ones may be finished!
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Jul 2017, at 17:02, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Did not understand that but well, if a user is dependent on braille, that 
>> user will not feel a solidly-made braille display to be overpriced. 
>> Understand that concept? But here is the thing. How large a market do 
>> braille displays have? I dare say if if you can produce fantastic displays 
>> and sell a thousand a year, think you could sell them cheap and make a 
>> profit? Or would a million a year be more in line?
>> 
>>  I've never studied marketing and all that but can say that if a company 
>> does not make a profit, it cannot stay in business.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/24/2017 8:50 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> And iPhone with the braille display would be much less expensive than the 
>>> blandest waited well no takers. However, I understand people like them, I 
>>> just think they are way too costly. Just one person's opinion.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 24, 2017, at 11:43 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Les,
 Overpriced compared to? Is there a mainstream solution especially for the 
 deafblind?
 
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 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 7/24/2017 8:39 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
> Hi Mary,
> 
> In my opinion, all the no takers including the ultra or overpriced. The
> ultra the last time I checked for the 40 so my will cost her about
> $4000. Not worth it in my opinion for what you get. Anybody who buys a
> blind is no taking device is really paying premium for it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> If you don't want the full blown capability of a very expensive
>> blindness note taker, such as the new Polaris, you might consider the
>> varrio ultra. That has the ability to transfer files with a USB stick.
>> And it also has note taking capability. It has an excellent warranty.
>> Some people also find it more complicated than the traditional regular
>> braille displays such as the edge. They do have excellent US customer
>> support, as well as an online manual, and an active helpful email
>> list. This display comes in 20 or 40 sell links. It has a text reader,
>> word processor, PDF reader, spreadsheet viewer and others. What it
>> does not have our things like the ability to fetch email or connect to
>> the Internet. That is where you would need the full note taker, but
>> then you're also going to be paying a whole lot more. And if you're
>> good with your iPhone and your Mac, really, who needs that?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Caitlyn Furness
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Personally, I love any of the Hims devices, so these are things like
>>> the new polaris and the U2, braille sense line of products.  The
>>> braille is nice and crisp, and the devices themselves are just very
>>> well made.
>>> 
>>> I can’t speak about anything made by humanware except the brilliant,
>>> but that’s a full sized display and doesn’t have the capability to
>>> store files, just access what’s on the computer when you are hooked
>>> up to it.
>>> 
>>> I think the braille edge from Hims also works somewhat like a braille
>>> note taker, but am not sure on that.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had no troubles getting files from the mac onto the braille
>>> sense.  when I attach it to my mac with a USB cable, the device comes
>>> up like any other drive, and I can copy and paste things from one to
>>> the other, although it takes a long time.  Of course, you can also
>>> use a usb stick to transfer files, or the sd card.
>>> 
>>> HTH, 

Re: SOme mail makes Voiceover Crash.

[Kliphton Miller]

You should report all bugs to apple.  Even if you think it is small.  This way 
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> On Jul 11, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have been thinking of this for a while but never happen to ask here.
> I use the latest public beta of Hi-Sierra but i have been having this problem 
> in Sierra to.
> SOme mails i try to read mutes VoiceOver and after a while it restarts Vo so 
> i have to skip the mail i try to read because i can’t.
> This does not happen in all conversations but for example in the thread about 
> Upload speed is very low i can’t read mails From Scot (sorry for that BRO!).
> But i really wonder what makes things screwed here.
> I use mail with the classic layout and the preview pane opened so i just can 
> press VO j to view the mail.
> To me this is the easiest way to read messages.
> Is there any setting i can change in either mail or VoiceOver?
> It happens on the Eyes-free list with some mails too.
> I wonder if i should report this to apple or not.
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: Getting music from a Mac into google music cloud

[Kliphton Miller]

No matter where you select the folderr from, the meta data should go with it. 
But to be on the safe side, I would choose the main folder, not the alias.
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Now here's a stupid question. I have an alias to the folder where my 
> music is located, because it's a whole lot easier to just access it directly 
> from the desktop if I want to do something in there. But of course when I 
> upload all the stuff, I want the meta-data to go with it. I'm not sure if 
> that will happen unless I find some sort of parent folder that might have the 
> meta-data in it? You can tell I'm not the greatest with a Mac file system. 
> Sorry.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Below is the reply to your other message, same directions apply
>> 
>> It is accessible, but 2 things have to happen before you sign in.  1. You 
>> need to verify that you are 18 or older, to do this sign in to 
>> google.music.com <http://google.music.com/> go to download music, it will 
>> ask for a credit card, unless you  already have a card on your google 
>> account.  It doesn’t charge anything, just makes sure your 18 years or 
>> older.  Once this is done, download the google music downloader, and get 
>> sited help signing in.  It is not possible to do this without sited help, I 
>> tried for 2 days straight.  Once you sign in, add the folder where your 
>> music is, hit upload and your good.  You can even add more music to the 
>> folder after the 1st batch is done, and it will up load that too.  Once the 
>> app is installed, you can go to your mac’s system preferences and check on 
>> the upload status of your music.  The app on windows is the same way, you 
>> need sited help to sign in.  But once it’s done, your good to go!
>>> On Jul 5, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a bunch of music in iTunes on my Mac, both purchased and ripped from 
>>> CDs. I would like to get this music into the Google cloud so I can use it 
>>> with my Google audio Chromecast and send it to multiple rooms in the house 
>>> at once. I think Steve talk about how to do this using windows. But I can't 
>>> do it using windows, since my PC is incredibly old, not supported etc. So, 
>>> does anybody have an idea if this is possible to do with a Mac? Detailed 
>>> instructions or a pointer to a link with the same would be very much 
>>> appreciated.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Getting music from a Mac into google music cloud

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Below is the reply to your other message, same directions apply

It is accessible, but 2 things have to happen before you sign in.  1. You need 
to verify that you are 18 or older, to do this sign in to google.music.com 
 go to download music, it will ask for a credit card, 
unless you  already have a card on your google account.  It doesn’t charge 
anything, just makes sure your 18 years or older.  Once this is done, download 
the google music downloader, and get sited help signing in.  It is not possible 
to do this without sited help, I tried for 2 days straight.  Once you sign in, 
add the folder where your music is, hit upload and your good.  You can even add 
more music to the folder after the 1st batch is done, and it will up load that 
too.  Once the app is installed, you can go to your mac’s system preferences 
and check on the upload status of your music.  The app on windows is the same 
way, you need sited help to sign in.  But once it’s done, your good to go!
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have a bunch of music in iTunes on my Mac, both purchased and ripped from 
> CDs. I would like to get this music into the Google cloud so I can use it 
> with my Google audio Chromecast and send it to multiple rooms in the house at 
> once. I think Steve talk about how to do this using windows. But I can't do 
> it using windows, since my PC is incredibly old, not supported etc. So, does 
> anybody have an idea if this is possible to do with a Mac? Detailed 
> instructions or a pointer to a link with the same would be very much 
> appreciated.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Add your music with Google Play Music Manager - Google Play Help

[Kliphton Miller]

It is accessible, but 2 things have to happen before you sign in.  1. You need 
to verify that you are 18 or older, to do this sign in to google.music.com 
 go to download music, it will ask for a credit card, 
unless you  already have a card on your google account.  It doesn’t charge 
anything, just makes sure your 18 years or older.  Once this is done, download 
the google music downloader, and get sited help signing in.  It is not possible 
to do this without sited help, I tried for 2 days straight.  Once you sign in, 
add the folder where your music is, hit upload and your good.  You can even add 
more music to the folder after the 1st batch is done, and it will up load that 
too.  Once the app is installed, you can go to your mac’s system preferences 
and check on the upload status of your music.  The app on windows is the same 
way, you need sited help to sign in.  But once it’s done, your good to go!  HTH
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Chris. I will check it out. Even if it's not accessible, for a one 
> time thing, I can get my sighted  spouse to help.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Chris Moore  > wrote:
> 
>> Mary,
>> Perhaps this might help although I have no idea whether the mac app is 
>> accessible.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>> https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/1075570?hl=en 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: High Sierra Beta

[Kliphton Miller]

I did a clean install and had no issues either.
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.
> What problems have you found with APFS? I've been using my MAC OS High
> Sierra beta with APFS and there have been no problems at all.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On 7/5/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I had no such problem.  I upgraded in place though not installed fresh so
>> there may be a difference.  I just checked the checkbox and everything
>> proceeded perfectly.  New filesystem seems to be working so far but this is
>> not on a mission critical laptop so time will tell how stable it is.
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Michael Marshall 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My Apologies, I Accidentally Hit Send When I Was Typing my First Message.
>>> Do Not Upgrade to The New File System on The Test Version. It is Clearly
>>> Not Ready And This is Why it is Hidden in The Installer. I Tried Upgrading
>>> Through Recovery With Disastrous Results. I Was Presented With a White
>>> Screen and my System Would Not Even Booted into Recovery. In The End, I
>>> Had to Launch Internet Recovery, Erase my Entire Drive Including All
>>> Petitions And Restore From a Time Machine Backup I am not going to try
>>> this again until the main release.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:55 pm, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Yup but I have not found it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> yup.
> In the installer.
> You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
> upgrade by default.
> 
>> On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>  I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
>> site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
>> that one can switch to APFS after the fact.
>> 
>>  Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
>> login screen.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty 
 wrote:
 
 Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled
 
 
 
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 Subject: High Sierra Beta
 
 Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am
 using
 the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its
 to
 be formatted with Mac extended journaled?
 
 Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the
 old
 hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me
 back to
 the login screen. Did I miss something?
 
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Re: Ringtone issue

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I don’t know what might be going on with your phone.  But when I look under 
sounds, they are all there.  If you go under ring tones, they are all there, 
when I go under text tones, both are all there.  I have over 2000 ring and text 
tones, and they are in both lists.
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Ok,
> So how can I assign a ringtone as a default text tone when it only shows when 
> I’m looking at ringtones?
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ever since iOS 9, they have grouped them in the same category.  I think they 
>> did this so you can use a ring tone as a text tone, and a text tone as a 
>> ring tone.  Annoying, but that’s how it is.
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I found the tones I was missing.
>>> They all seem to be under ringtones.
>>> How can I make all ringtones show up when I’m looking at text tones?
>>> I’ve used one of these as a text tone before but now it’s only showing in 
>>> ringtones
>>> 
>>> Any help is appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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Re: Ringtone issue

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Ever since iOS 9, they have grouped them in the same category.  I think they 
did this so you can use a ring tone as a text tone, and a text tone as a ring 
tone.  Annoying, but that’s how it is.
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I found the tones I was missing.
> They all seem to be under ringtones.
> How can I make all ringtones show up when I’m looking at text tones?
> I’ve used one of these as a text tone before but now it’s only showing in 
> ringtones
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> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Peace,
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Kliphton Miller]

It’s relatively easy.  Just create a play list, add songs, albums, or artists 
to it.  When your done, plug in your phone, go to the music tab of your phone, 
select sync play lists, select the one you created, and let iTunes do it’s 
thing.  If you need any more 1on1 help, you can contact me at
kliph...@icloud.com 

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi Tim:
> Frankly i need to find a good podcast on using iTunes with mac, even as a 
> music player, copying songs to Iphone etc, can you recommend please?
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous 
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song 
>> transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll 
>> cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>> 
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>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: having trouble installing High Sierra beta

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I didn’t get that error, but I also did a clean install on a separate partition 
also.
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
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> Hello there,
> 
> Has anyone has trouble installing the High Sierra Beta?  I get an error that 
> says that the restore server has problems and can’t be accessed.  Is there 
> any suggestions on how to get around this.  In case the suggestion is to 
> report this I already did in the Sierra beta since it was an upgrade issue.
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Night owl?

[Kliphton Miller]

It’s been a while since I used night owl.  Anyone have a list of commands?  I 
have looked in the apple menu.  But the ones I need aren’t they, or maybe they 
don’t exist?
Following someone
Turning text alerts on or off for a single user
Viewing the text of a tweet
And unfolloi=wing someone 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

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You have to add the shift key now
This will give you the options you are looking for.
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
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> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

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Your doing nothing wrong.  The same thing happened to me.  I would enter the 
code right after it was sent, and it locked me out of signing in to the beta 
site for 8 hours.  I finally gave up and had sited help, went on the first try.
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> Hi!
> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
> beta software seems to be wrong.
> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
> sign in.
> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the icloud 
> message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click allow on my 
> Iphone.
> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
> first text field.
> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
> THen i click Continue.
> No go.
> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
> Voiceover.
> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Kliphton Miller]

The long way of doing it is just click on each individual one and add them to 
favorites in safari, otherwise, he would have to get a friend with a PC and 
export those favorites to a HTML file and then import them into safari.
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend 
> with Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think 
> Windows 10 does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not completely 
> certain.  If the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the favorites on 
> another Windows instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would be able to 
> import them.  They could then be exported again to a bookmark file that 
> Safari can import.  But before going to all that trouble I’d just do a search 
> of the web and see what turns up.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
>> folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how 
>> import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since 
>> they were not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and 
>> sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import 
>> them in and/or copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just 
>> out of luck on this one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
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Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Kliphton Miller]

Quick time is great too.
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
> 
> If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
> iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to 
> find another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you wish. 
> Thank you very much for your time.
> Steve
> 
> 
> 23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs  
> έγραψε:
> 
>> I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  Faulty 
>> but, sadly, true.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
>> Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover
>> 
>> I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging.  
>> I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some 
>> simple editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use 
>> menu commands to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I think 
>> that’s what it was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very 
>> tedious, so I too will be interested if someone knows a better way.  
>> Unfortunately it has not occurred even to the usually  accommodating folks 
>> at apple that blind people do have need to edit video.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they 
>>> found nothing. 
>>> I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
>>> narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where 
>>> can I find a tutorial?
>>> Thanks
>>> Steve  
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Re: Unable to log into Netflix on Apple TV 4

[Kliphton Miller]

You could try 2 things.  
1.  Use the touch pad to type in password.  I know it may be long, but 
sometimes the iPhone lags.
2.  You could dictate the password, this feature I love cause it is about 99.99 
percent accurate.  HTH.
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> I can't imagine what the problem would be.  I know this is only minimally 
> helpful, but I can tell you that we watch Netflix using our 4th gen Apple TV 
> all the time, so it is possible.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 3:10 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> We just got our new Apple TV 4, and overall it's great thus far. One 
>> problem, though: Netflix refuses to let us in. I know the password is right 
>> because two of us have checked it on Safari's saved passwords, and we're 
>> both typing it on the iPhone, so there's no problem with mistyping using the 
>> on-screen keyboard of the Apple TV.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what the problem could be. Is there a known bug in Netflix? Too 
>> many login sites, or something? I've already closed the app from the app 
>> switcher, and restarted the box. This was all done after installing the most 
>> recent tvOS version.
>> 
>> This, combined with a surprising lack of Spectrum or Time Warner support in 
>> the TV provider setting, are my two biggest disappointments so far. I'd 
>> rather not change the password, since I don't think it would help, but if 
>> you all think that's my only option, it's worth a try. Any ideas here? 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Kliphton Miller]

I myself am very happy with the appleTV4, it does what I need it to do.  But we 
all have different tastes.
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 3rd 
>> get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>  Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what I 
>>> am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want a 4fh 
>>> is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
 opinion.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
> get numbers or punctuation.
> 
> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
> Finder. Also a document scan function.
> 
> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had 
> the bucks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>> 
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>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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>>> 
>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
 the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
 the device starts a
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Kliphton Miller]

Really Scott?  I thought voiceover worked well on the 4th gen, what does amazon 
fire TV use for accessibility?  I know it had a voice serch, but that was very 
clunky and choppy when I tried it about a year ago, how much has it improved?  
Also, does fire TV have direct TV now as an available app?  With the channels I 
get with direct tv now, I am not giving that up.
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 3rd 
>> get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>  Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what I 
>>> am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want a 4fh 
>>> is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
 opinion.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
> get numbers or punctuation.
> 
> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
> Finder. Also a document scan function.
> 
> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had 
> the bucks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
 the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
 the device starts a
 
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Some focus 14 blu questions

[Kliphton Miller]

> Okay, I see the focus 14 blu is priced pretty low, for braille anyway.  I 
> chose this one over the orbit that is do to be sold later this year, because 
> I see the orbit is 20 cell, and the focus is 14.  That seems considerabley 
> smaller.  So, my questions.
> 1. Does the focus 14 blu work with Mac?
> 2. Does the focus do more than just pair with 2 blu tooth devices?
> 3. When sending an iMessage from phone, how would you send it?  I know with a 
> blu-tooth keyboard, you just hit enter, and it sends it, is it the same way 
> with the focus?  Thanks.

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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most things I 
like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and music about 15TB 
that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct TV now, and my own 
collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
> On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
> reading for my friend.
> 
> What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to your 
> cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, or this 
> new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven day trial, 
> just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
> 
> Looking forward to other answers,
> Traci
> PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app called 
> BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the biggest 
> networks in the UK.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over a 
>> year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
>> discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
>> options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
>>   In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
>> sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
>> iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the fact 
>> you don’t depend on application providers to make their products accessible. 
>>  That being said, I do like having the apple content available on the phone 
>> so have enabled some of the IOS apps like Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These 
>> seem pretty good.
>>   I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
>> tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native amazon 
>> content and so forth are great.
>>   If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending 
>> over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love to 
>> cut out all the TV costs.
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
>>> about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
>>> looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
>>> reluctant cord cutters.
>>> 
>>> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  
>>> For iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I 
>>> haven’t tried either of these services on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
>>> Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
>>> offerings.
>>> 
>>> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
>>> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
>>> 
>>> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
>>> cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
>>> offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
>>> include it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing with the group,
>>> Traci
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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Kliphton Miller]

The Hulu live tv service is ok, if you have patients to try and figure out the 
layout, things are okay.  As for audio description, direct TV now does have 
some.
> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
> about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
> looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
> reluctant cord cutters.
> 
> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  For 
> iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I haven’t 
> tried either of these services on the Mac.
> 
> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
> Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
> offerings.
> 
> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
> 
> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
> cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
> offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
> include it.
> 
> Thanks for sharing with the group,
> Traci
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

[Kliphton Miller]

I avoid the Mac version all together.  I can’t speak to the screen sharing, but 
everything else you mentioned, is completely accessible within the IOS app.  
Scheduling a meeting, adding participants, and even adding it to your calendar.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:00 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Karen and All,
> 
> I have also been using Zoom with a corporate account pretty much every day 
> for about a year now but unlike everyone else posting here so far, I have 
> encountered a number of really bothersome accessibility issues.
> 
> So I am wondering if you or someone else in this thread may be able to tell 
> me what the heck I am doing wrong! lol!
> 
> Firstly, in scheduling a meeting on the Mac, choosing a date causes VO to get 
> stuck in the date area.
> 
> Once I figured out that I needed to interact with the date again, I was not 
> able to hear which field I was editing with up and down arrows. More 
> accurately, I can hear the items which are changing but once I have selected 
> an item and use the left or right arrows to move to the next item, no time or 
> date elements are announced until I start using up or down arrows to edit 
> them.
> 
> So I basically need to just guess at which time or date element I am editing 
> at any given moment.
> 
> this is further complicated by the fact that once I am done editing the time 
> and date, Voiceover still seems to be stuck in the date area and it is only 
> by luck that I am able to get out of this area and not change anything I have 
> just set.
> 
> Once I get through that horror show, then I need to be careful when moving 
> through the rest of the scheduling window so as not to accidentally get 
> caught in the date area again.
> 
> So finally, once I have scheduled the meeting successfully, I then go to my 
> meetings tab and am greeted with a grid of unknown cells which I then need to 
> interact with to see which contains my scheduled meeting. Once I do that, 
> there is no obvious way to add participants to it.
> 
> If I click on the Contacts tab to access my company contacts I find a really 
> funky table that seems to cause Voiceover to keep jumping in the list of 
> people as if the list is constantly refreshing.
> 
> Once I am able to select a person, I am placed into what looks like a chat 
> window and again, Voiceover gets stuck in this window. I.E. I can press 
> Escape to get out of the chat window but as soon as Voiceover moves out of 
> the window its focus is immediately brought back into the chat window again.
> 
> This insanity also sometimes happens when I am just moving through the table 
> trying to locate a person. I.E. I will be looking for someone and suddenly I 
> will just end up in a chat window with a random person I am passing by in the 
> constantly refreshing list of contacts.
> 
> I am assuming this list keeps refreshing to keep up with coworkers statuses 
> and such but for God’s sake, there needs to be a way to turn this off. lol!
> 
> Needless to say this is all just hellishly annoying to say the least when I 
> just want / need to get work done. So I am really curious at what others’ are 
> doing to make this app usable.
> 
> I have not even gotten into the squirreliness on the iOS client or the window 
> juggling I seem to need to do when hosting a live meeting or presentation on 
> the Mac where I need to do screen sharing. It’s all just a bit much for me. 
> :) -And certainly is not ready to be called accessible at a corporate level 
> in my opinion.
> 
> So for me personally, calling this accessible is really kind of a stretch. 
> It’s sort of usable but not what I would consider accessible or at all 
> enjoyable. :)
> 
> Just my opinion of course and as I say, I am more than excited to hear 
> others’ feedback if it can help me tame this beastie! lol!
> 
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> 
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> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
> 
> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
> sort 

Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

[Kliphton Miller]

With the weekly apple conference that I host, we all use the internet audio 
from the app, and the sound is great.  It’s usually about 7 to 10 of us.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on 
> the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!!  Wonder if sighted people think 
> the quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
>> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
>> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
>> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
>>> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
>>> conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
>>>> discovered recently: www.zoom.us <http://www.zoom.us/> 
>>>> <http://www.zoom.us/ <http://www.zoom.us/>>. The big news here is that 
>>>> they have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
>>>> <https://zoom.us/accessibility><https://zoom.us/accessibility 
>>>> <https://zoom.us/accessibility>>), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
>>>> <mailto:acc...@zoom.us> <mailto:acc...@zoom.us <mailto:acc...@zoom.us>>), 
>>>> and a commitment to keeping their product accessible. They claim 
>>>> compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major 
>>>> platforms.
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
>>>> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first 
>>>> place. However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of 
>>>> service and you try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the 
>>>> experience.
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was 
>>>> already brought up over there.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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