Found it

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello,
After somme searching i was actually able to find the subscriptions for Apple 
Music and the like. Now that has been taken care of.
It wasn’t in an obvious place but i found it nonetheless.
/Krister

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Where are my subsccriptions?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello everyone.
I’m now really embarrased because i should know this but i don’t, either that 
or the setting i’m after is hidden somewhere and i can’t find it.
I wonder where i might find information about my subscriptions so that i can 
stop them. I’m talking about subscriptions to Apple music, one password and the 
like.
I thought they were under ICloud but that doesn’t seem to be the case so i 
wonder where to look both on the Mac and on the iPhone.
/Krister

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Re: Siri and music.

[Krister Ekstrom]

I think it has to do with language. It looks as if Siri has trouble 
communicating in multiple languages at the same time, so if you have Siri set 
to Swedish for example, it gets confused when suddenly one or more english or 
other forreign words are thrown into the mix.
That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth.
/Krister


> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 06:35 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> This I find interesting,
> 
> I just had siri play the wall and the wall delux release both by holding down 
> the power pbutton and saying play and also using the hey siri to play the 
> albums 
> 
> Can't see what the trouble is that your having as it worked all four times 
> for me. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:52 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Siri and music.
> 
> Hi!
> Actually i am beginning to be more and more sceptic about how Siri works when 
> you want to play music from your apple device.
> I don’t know why this is so hard but i tried to ask Siri to play The wall by 
> Pink Floyd yesterday and it didn’t work at all.
> Today i asked Siri t play a swedis song and it did not work.
> Very frustrating.
> I turned to my Nokia android phone and asked google assistant to play the 
> same song and Apple music started playing quite quick on my phone.
> I then tried to ask Google assistant to play THe wall by Pink floyd and yes 
> it did.
> Not wanting to bash apple here as i still have apple products and also in 
> respect to others that can use them with no problem.
> I am just a bit confused about why siri does not play music on my Ipad mini 
> which works quite well to play with  google assistant on my Android phone.
> I have apple music on both platforms so i t can’t be Apple Music.
> It must be some sort of problem with siri.
> I don’t know if its anidea to send some feedback to apple.
> Amaybe i should, maybe not.
> Now its time for you to have ideas on this thread if you’re intrested.
> Blessings from a Cold stockholm!
> /A
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Re: Amazing app for transferring, copying, extracting between and among computers/devices: any accessibility info?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I have actually downloaded a free trial of it and it looks pretty accessible as 
far as i can see.
There is a screen when you first open the app that looks a bit strange which is 
full of unknowns, this often is an accessibility issue but if you interact with 
the unknown you can actually see buttons which are well labeled and that you 
can press and when you do you are taken to various parts of your device such as 
phone, camera, ringtones etc.
I have tried to import ring tones into my phone with Imazing and it works.
/Krister


> 16 okt. 2018 kl. 19:16 skrev Raymond Foret Jr :
> 
> Now that’s very interesting.  Myself, I like File Browser.  The version I 
> have is free but I’ve heard some good things about Imazing.  Thing is this.  
> How accessible is Imazing?  Anybody know?
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Christine Grassman > <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Imazing is the name. With an I instead of an A.On Oct 16, 2018, at 12:14 
>>> PM, Krister Ekstrom >> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I too would like to know about this. Would be too bad if there’s a good app 
>>> for transfering stuff and then you can’t use it because it’s inaccessible.
>>> What’s the name of the app btw?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 16 okt. 2018 kl. 16:11 skrev Christine Grassman >>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> So, I am told there is an app which normally sells for $89 that is today 
>>>> available for $19.95 (as indicated in an article in the Verge), that makes 
>>>> it a breeze to transfer absolutely anything and everything between and 
>>>> among iOS devices, Macs, PC’s, etc. Is this wonder real, and most 
>>>> importantly, is it accessible? Apparently, we have another twelve hours to 
>>>> grab it if so.
>>>> Christine
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Re: Amazing app for transferring, copying, extracting between and among computers/devices: any accessibility info?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I too would like to know about this. Would be too bad if there’s a good app for 
transfering stuff and then you can’t use it because it’s inaccessible.
What’s the name of the app btw?
/Krister


> 16 okt. 2018 kl. 16:11 skrev Christine Grassman :
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> So, I am told there is an app which normally sells for $89 that is today 
> available for $19.95 (as indicated in an article in the Verge), that makes it 
> a breeze to transfer absolutely anything and everything between and among iOS 
> devices, Macs, PC’s, etc. Is this wonder real, and most importantly, is it 
> accessible? Apparently, we have another twelve hours to grab it if so.
> Christine
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Re: Dealbreaker alert!

[Krister Ekstrom]

I could be wrong here but as far as i know, the only action that has the ”show 
when running” option is the send messages action.
In my case there is a speed dial shortcut and when you run it, you are placed 
in the shortcuts app after the shortcut is run.
/Krister


> 21 sep. 2018 kl. 22:28 skrev John JD Denning :
> 
> Not sure if this does it, but. If the last action in your shortcut has a show 
> shortcut action. Turn that off. I think without on is what makes a return to 
> the Shortcuts app. If it’s off it should stay wherever you are. I think.
> 
> Yes I do appreciate that documentation. But I still have lots of questions.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 14:52, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>> The manual is helpful in many ways, but i see no mention of if it’s possible 
>> to be put back on the home screen rather than in the shortcuts app itself 
>> when the shortcut has run.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 21 sep. 2018 kl. 17:24 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Maybe this will be helpful.
>>> 
>>> <https://support.apple.com/guide/shortcuts/welcome/ios>
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 9/21/2018 7:12 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>>> Ok, this is worth investigating. In Workflow there was a possibility to 
>>>> make a workflow into an app of itself, wonder if that could be done here, 
>>>> or what gives there.
>>>> What i would love to have shortcuts do is to return me to the home screen 
>>>> after running a shortcut.
>>>> /Krister
>>>>> 21 sep. 2018 kl. 15:37 skrev John JD Denning :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, there is so much we have to learn about the Siri Shortcuts app. 
>>>>> I’ve successfully crazy hated a couple of fairly complex ones. But I’d 
>>>>> like to do more with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regarding at returning to the Siri Shortcuts app. I think that depends on 
>>>>> your last action. I have a script that the last thing it does is open an 
>>>>> app it opens that app and stops there. It does not return to the 
>>>>> Shortcuts app. What if your last action was something that runs 
>>>>> internally to the shortcuts a half, then it stops there with the 
>>>>> Shortcuts app having focus.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They could easily fix this I have an action to go to home screen. But I 
>>>>> don’t see any such action.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 06:36, Krister Ekstrom  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I have encountered what i think is a big deal breaker for the shortccuts 
>>>>>> app unless i have misunderstood  something here.
>>>>>> When i add a customized shortcut to Siri and run it from the home screen 
>>>>>> or anywhere else outside the shortcuts app, Siri runs the shortcut as 
>>>>>> expected, but leaves the shortcuts app open in the foreground, so you 
>>>>>> have to close the app yourself when the shortcut is run.
>>>>>> Why would it do that?
>>>>>> I thought that Siri would run the short cut and then jump me back to the 
>>>>>> home screen or wherever i am when asking Siri to fire off the shortcut, 
>>>>>> otherwise what’s the point of customizing shortcuts so it can be run by 
>>>>>> Siri?
>>>>>> I mean, i don’t want to see the shortcuts editor after having run a 
>>>>>> customized shortcut, i want to be back in the work flow of my iPhone
>>>>>> Is this the expected behaviour and if so can i change it so that it can 
>>>>>> be run without me seeing the shortcuts editor afterwards?
>>>>>> /Krister
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Re: Dealbreaker alert!

[Krister Ekstrom]

The manual is helpful in many ways, but i see no mention of if it’s possible to 
be put back on the home screen rather than in the shortcuts app itself when the 
shortcut has run.
/Krister


> 21 sep. 2018 kl. 17:24 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
>   Maybe this will be helpful.
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/shortcuts/welcome/ios>
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/21/2018 7:12 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> Ok, this is worth investigating. In Workflow there was a possibility to make 
>> a workflow into an app of itself, wonder if that could be done here, or what 
>> gives there.
>> What i would love to have shortcuts do is to return me to the home screen 
>> after running a shortcut.
>> /Krister
>>> 21 sep. 2018 kl. 15:37 skrev John JD Denning :
>>> 
>>> Hello, there is so much we have to learn about the Siri Shortcuts app. I’ve 
>>> successfully crazy hated a couple of fairly complex ones. But I’d like to 
>>> do more with it.
>>> 
>>> Regarding at returning to the Siri Shortcuts app. I think that depends on 
>>> your last action. I have a script that the last thing it does is open an 
>>> app it opens that app and stops there. It does not return to the Shortcuts 
>>> app. What if your last action was something that runs internally to the 
>>> shortcuts a half, then it stops there with the Shortcuts app having focus.
>>> 
>>> They could easily fix this I have an action to go to home screen. But I 
>>> don’t see any such action.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 06:36, Krister Ekstrom  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I have encountered what i think is a big deal breaker for the shortccuts 
>>>> app unless i have misunderstood  something here.
>>>> When i add a customized shortcut to Siri and run it from the home screen 
>>>> or anywhere else outside the shortcuts app, Siri runs the shortcut as 
>>>> expected, but leaves the shortcuts app open in the foreground, so you have 
>>>> to close the app yourself when the shortcut is run.
>>>> Why would it do that?
>>>> I thought that Siri would run the short cut and then jump me back to the 
>>>> home screen or wherever i am when asking Siri to fire off the shortcut, 
>>>> otherwise what’s the point of customizing shortcuts so it can be run by 
>>>> Siri?
>>>> I mean, i don’t want to see the shortcuts editor after having run a 
>>>> customized shortcut, i want to be back in the work flow of my iPhone
>>>> Is this the expected behaviour and if so can i change it so that it can be 
>>>> run without me seeing the shortcuts editor afterwards?
>>>> /Krister
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Re: Dealbreaker alert!

[Krister Ekstrom]

Ok, this is worth investigating. In Workflow there was a possibility to make a 
workflow into an app of itself, wonder if that could be done here, or what 
gives there.
What i would love to have shortcuts do is to return me to the home screen after 
running a shortcut.
/Krister


> 21 sep. 2018 kl. 15:37 skrev John JD Denning :
> 
> Hello, there is so much we have to learn about the Siri Shortcuts app. I’ve 
> successfully crazy hated a couple of fairly complex ones. But I’d like to do 
> more with it.
> 
> Regarding at returning to the Siri Shortcuts app. I think that depends on 
> your last action. I have a script that the last thing it does is open an app 
> it opens that app and stops there. It does not return to the Shortcuts app. 
> What if your last action was something that runs internally to the shortcuts 
> a half, then it stops there with the Shortcuts app having focus.
> 
> They could easily fix this I have an action to go to home screen. But I don’t 
> see any such action.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 06:36, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have encountered what i think is a big deal breaker for the shortccuts app 
>> unless i have misunderstood  something here.
>> When i add a customized shortcut to Siri and run it from the home screen or 
>> anywhere else outside the shortcuts app, Siri runs the shortcut as expected, 
>> but leaves the shortcuts app open in the foreground, so you have to close 
>> the app yourself when the shortcut is run.
>> Why would it do that?
>> I thought that Siri would run the short cut and then jump me back to the 
>> home screen or wherever i am when asking Siri to fire off the shortcut, 
>> otherwise what’s the point of customizing shortcuts so it can be run by 
>> Siri? 
>> I mean, i don’t want to see the shortcuts editor after having run a 
>> customized shortcut, i want to be back in the work flow of my iPhone
>> Is this the expected behaviour and if so can i change it so that it can be 
>> run without me seeing the shortcuts editor afterwards?
>> /Krister
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Dealbreaker alert!

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I have encountered what i think is a big deal breaker for the shortccuts app 
unless i have misunderstood  something here.
When i add a customized shortcut to Siri and run it from the home screen or 
anywhere else outside the shortcuts app, Siri runs the shortcut as expected, 
but leaves the shortcuts app open in the foreground, so you have to close the 
app yourself when the shortcut is run.
Why would it do that?
I thought that Siri would run the short cut and then jump me back to the home 
screen or wherever i am when asking Siri to fire off the shortcut, otherwise 
what’s the point of customizing shortcuts so it can be run by Siri? 
I mean, i don’t want to see the shortcuts editor after having run a customized 
shortcut, i want to be back in the work flow of my iPhone
Is this the expected behaviour and if so can i change it so that it can be run 
without me seeing the shortcuts editor afterwards?
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Shortcuts with If statements

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello,
I’m trying to understand the Shortcuts app and although i don’t understand much 
of programming i want to see if i can grasp at least something about this app.
Now i want to know if anyone has created shortcuts with one or more ”if”, 
”else” statements.
I don’t understand the syntax of this form of action.
I understand that first you have to put an action above the ”If” statement, 
this action then gets evaluated by the ”if” statement but i see no way to 
perform the actions decided by this evaluation, that is what happens if the 
”if” part is true and what if the ”if” part is false. I mean the actions go 
from top to bottom, and you can’t have actions next to eachother, which makes 
me think that even if one part of the ”if” statement was true, both actions 
that follow the ”if” statement would be performed.
What am i missing?
/Krister

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Re: Adding another language without VO going nuts

[Krister Ekstrom]

Well in my case if i put in another keyboard, instead of the swedish word 
”skrivbord” it says ”desk top” and then continues speaking Swedish. I think all 
VO commands get switched to english for some weird reason.
/Krister


> 23 aug. 2018 kl. 16:29 skrev Michael Busboom :
> 
> Hi, Krister,
> 
> I have two keyboards on my MacBook 2016, US English and German.  I do not 
> have the Mac switch output languages automatically.
> 
> The way I switch between keyboards is to use the Command-Space combination.  
> In my case, the command toggles between the two keyboard languages without 
> impacting the output languages.  I just switch output languages by using the 
> Shift-Control-Option-Command and cursor through the options.  In a recent 
> update, Apple did something I didn’t like.  Even if I am listening to a text 
> in German, VO pronounces some words in English when it thinks it should.  
> They even throw in a fake German-sounding type of accent when voicing these 
> words.  Furthermore, whenever I am listening to a German text, URLs within 
> the text are announced in English, with this same sort of fake accent.
> 
> I hope that this might shed some light on your situation, but if it doesn’t, 
> I am sorry.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>> On 22.08.2018, at 11:53, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I want to add an english keyboard layout to my Mac, but i want it to be 
>> below the Swedish keyboard layout in the layouts table. The reason is that 
>> if i only add the keyboard layout and it goes above the Swedish keyboard 
>> layout, Voiceover starts to speak swenglish, that is some words are in 
>> Swedish while others are in English and i find that very annoying. 
>> Can someone tell me how to do this if it is at all possible?
>> /Krister
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Adding another language without VO going nuts

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi all,
I want to add an english keyboard layout to my Mac, but i want it to be below 
the Swedish keyboard layout in the layouts table. The reason is that if i only 
add the keyboard layout and it goes above the Swedish keyboard layout, 
Voiceover starts to speak swenglish, that is some words are in Swedish while 
others are in English and i find that very annoying. 
Can someone tell me how to do this if it is at all possible?
/Krister

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Re: Create custom ringtones for your iPhone, CNET

[Krister Ekstrom]

In what app do you do this?
Sounds simple enough.
/Krister


> 24 juli 2018 kl. 14:58 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Why would one go through all this?
> 
> In the past, I've just taken songs I wanted to use as ringtones, marked off 
> the 30 seconds I wanted to use as a ringtone, saved it to my desktop, changed 
> the file extension to M4R, and hit cmd-O.  It works like a charm.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 10:32 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Create custom ringtones for your iPhone
>> Turn a song, sound clip, MP3 file or just about anything else into your very
>> own iPhone ringtone.
>> By Rick Broida, July 23, 2018 2:14 PM PDT
>> 
>> Ben Geskin/Twitter 
>> Does your iPhone ($1,000 at Cricket Wireless) sound like every other iPhone?
>> Does it play the default Waves ringtone, causing everyone nearby to pull out
>> their own phone and see if it's the one ringing? 
>> Time to stand out from the crowd! You can create an unlimited number of
>> custom ringtones for your device, using a virtually unlimited number of
>> sources: songs, sound effects, MP3 files -- you name it. Here's a rundown of
>> your options. 
>> Buy ringtones in iTunes 
>> You know you can buy apps, music and movies from the iTunes Store, but did
>> you know it sells ringtones as well? It's not immediately obvious if you
>> don't know where to look. 
>> Open the iTunes app on your phone, tap More (bottom right corner) and then
>> tap Tones. Voila! A whole section devoted to ringtones. 
>> Many of these are songs, but if you tap the Genres button and scroll down to
>> the bottom of the list, you'll see categories including Dialogue and Sound
>> Effects. That's where you can score 'tones like R2-D2 beeping and booping, a
>> T. rex roar from Jurassic Park, and spoken-word clips from all manner of
>> movies and TV shows. You can tap the thumbnail for any ringtone to hear a
>> sample. 
>> iTunes' ringtones sell for 99 cents or $1.29. When you tap to buy one,
>> you'll see options including Set as Default Ringtone, Set as Default Text
>> Tone (for text messages, naturally) and Assign to a Contact. You can, of
>> course, modify any of these options later on, as well as tap Done to
>> complete the setup later. 
>> 
>> This is the major advantage to spending money on ringtones: They're
>> automatically added to your phone, right on your phone, no conversion or
>> hoop-jumping required. 
>> DIY ringtones 
>> If you'd rather not spend any cash, however, or you want music or sounds not
>> available through iTunes, consider the DIY approach. 
>> Here's a great example. For my money, there is no better ringtone you can
>> have for your phone than this. YouTube is really the only place to find it
>> (and countless other clips, sound effects and more). Thankfully, it's fairly
>> easy to convert any YouTube video -- or, for that matter, any MP3 or other
>> audio track you own -- to a ringtone. 
>> If you're starting with YouTube, the basic process goes like this: Convert
>> the YouTube video to an MP3 or M4A audio file, convert that file to the M4R
>> format, then use iTunes to copy it to your iPhone. 
>> You can also hit up the App Store and search for "ringtone maker." You'll
>> find loads of free apps that can convert your songs to the aforementioned
>> M4R format -- but you'll still need iTunes for the final step. Let's take a
>> look at the whole process -- if you're starting with something other than
>> YouTube, jump in at step 3. 
>> 1. Copy the YouTube URL to your clipboard. 
>> 2. Head to YouTube MP3, a free browser-based conversion tool, and paste that
>> URL into the text field. Now click Download Music MP3. When the conversion
>> is done, it will automatically save to the default downloads folder on your
>> PC. (Note: There are any number of services that can perform the same task.
>> This one is quick, easy and blissfully free of ads.) 
>> 3. Now we need to convert that file to the ringtone format M4R. For this,
>> we're going to hit up another site: Free Ringtone Maker. Click the blue
>> Upload Files button and choose your MP3. (Note: This site has a lot of ad
>> banners, some of which look like they're part of the converter. They're not.
>> Use only the buttons mentioned here.) 
>> 
>> When using Free Ringtone Maker, make sure to click only the buttons
>> highlighted here. A lot of the ads are a bit deceptive-looking.
>> Screenshot by Rick Broida/CNET 
>> 4. Once the upload is done, use the sliders to choose (and preview) the
>> snippet you want turned into your ringtone. Then click the M4R button and,
>> finally, Make Ringtone. Once the conversion is complete, click the blue
>> Download button to save the new file. 
>> 5. Now you have an M4R file that needs to make its way to your iPhone. If
>> you don't typically connect your phone to your PC, well, you'll need to for
>> this. Run iTunes, connect your phone, then look for Devices in the left-side
>> toolbar. Click your phone to expand the options, then click 

Re: The 10 most important iPhone apps of all time, The Download Blog, CNET Download.com

[Krister Ekstrom]

Evernote isn’t. I tried it not so long ago and it was verry hard to work with, 
at least for what i wanted it to do.
I don’t consider Google maps fully accessible either since you can’t follow a 
map like you can on Apple Maps, so i guess you have to compromise, less 
accurate map data and more accessibility or vice versa.
/Krister


> 13 juli 2018 kl. 14:36 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I can tell you that Duolingo is completely accessible, as is Pandora.  I have 
> a vague recollection of reading somewhere that fortnight is accessible, but 
> don't hold me to that.  GoogleMaps and Twitter of courser are accessible.  
> PokemonGo when I last tried  was not. Evernote, I believe is.  For the rest, 
> someone else will have to answer.
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2018, at 3:30 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Thanks for this but what I'd like to know is 
>> Except for twitter or twitterific and google maps,
>> How many of these are accessible to us with vo?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Friday, 13 July 2018 4:50 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: The 10 most important iPhone apps of all time, The Download Blog, 
>> CNET Download.com
>> 
>> The 10 most important iPhone apps of all time In the decade since Apple 
>> first launched the App Store for iOS, a lot of stellar apps have come along. 
>> Here are the ones that have made the biggest impact.
>> by Jason Hiner, July 11, 2018, 1:38 AM
>> 
>> It took Apple a year after launching the original iPhone before it opened 
>> the App Store--and almost overnight it transformed a 
>> user-friendly-but-not-very-useful device into one of the great software 
>> platforms in history.
>> The App Store changed the way people get software, evened the playing field 
>> for small developers, and turned the iPhone into a digital Swiss Army Knife 
>> that could replace a fistful of tools--from cameras to radios to compasses 
>> to alarm clocks.
>> 
>> Some amazing apps came along that made this little slab of glass one of the 
>> most powerful tools that our species of tool builders has ever built. And 
>> this wasn't just an Apple story, of course, because what Apple made also had 
>> a profound influence on other platforms--most notably Android and Windows.
>> Among all of these great apps, there have naturally been some standouts that 
>> have made life better, given us new things we didn't know we needed, and 
>> entertained us in lots of new ways. So let's count down the top 10.
>> 
>> 10. TripIt
>> This little app launched as a web service in 2007--just after the launch of 
>> the original iPhone--but it really hit its stride once it became an app.
>> TripIt organizes all your travel itineraries for you in one place. So you 
>> can forward your confirmation emails for flights, hotel reservations, car 
>> rentals, dinner reservations, show tickets, etc. to TripIt (from an email 
>> address that's connected your TripIt profile) and the service uses machine 
>> learning to automatically groups them into trips for you. It replaced 
>> hand-written notes and sorting through emails to find confirmation numbers 
>> and trip details. Its premium service even sends notifications to your phone 
>> to keep you on-time and to update you on flight cancellations, gate changes, 
>> and other airline and airport information. Long before there were good 
>> airline and hotel apps, TripIt set the standard of using your smartphone to 
>> make your trips go a lot smoother.
>> 
>> 9. Fortnite
>> Originally launched as "Fortnite: Save the World," a popular console and 
>> computer game in 2017, the franchise eventually launched the breakout 
>> spin-off hit "Fornite Battle Royal." The player-vs-player battle game 
>> features diverse heroes, cartoon graphics, friendly controls, and minimal 
>> gore, which has given it wide appeal to lots of different kinds of gamers.
>> But, the popularity of the battle royal game went to a whole new level when 
>> Fortnite launched on iOS in March 2018 and earned $100 million in its first
>> 90 days in the App Store. Fortnite proved once-and-for-all that the 
>> smartphone is a powerful gaming platform for much more than just puzzles and 
>> word games.
>> 
>> 8. Evernote
>> Another thing that the smartphone replaced for many people was the notebook.
>> While the iPhone has its own Notes app that plenty of users like, the app 
>> that really made note-taking a thing on the iPhone was Evernote. The app did 
>> a couple things that made it standout: it let you not just take text notes, 
>> but also embed audio, attach photos, and attach documents like PDFs. And, it 
>> synced seamlessly (and almost instantly) between your phone and your 
>> computer. Apple eventually brought most of these same features to its Notes 
>> app and plenty of other note-taking competitors have shown up, but Evernote 
>> has been the gold standard.
>> 

Anyone worked with Evernote on the iPhone

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I needed a good app where i easily could do check lists and if possible even 
attach alarms to them so that i could check important things to do before i go 
on vacation in a couple days. I downloaded and tried Evernote and found it hard 
to work with and incredibly sluggish. 
Furthermore i could not find a way to create check lists or todo lists.
Has anyone worked with Evernote on an iPhone and can give me some hints or 
should i try another app and if so which? No not reminders or textedit, that 
simply won’t do.
/Krister

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Re: 13 apps for your iPhone that are better than the ones Apple made, Business Insider

[Krister Ekstrom]

I got interested and tested Edison Email. It looks really promising i’d say.
Ok, there may not be every single thing under the sun accessible, there’s no 
rotor actions for example, but still mail is readable and most actions can be 
performed as far as i can see. Haven’t tested replying yet from the email 
client but will try soon.
Some things have to be tested by others as features like payment tracking, 
package tracking etc aren’t available in Sweden. (why) 
/Krister


> 19 juni 2018 kl. 02:15 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I thought I would post the following article as a point of interest but
> please note that I am, in no way, endorsing or speaking to the VoiceOver
> accessibility of any of them.  
> 
> In fact, in some instances, I flatly disagree with the author.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 13 apps for your iPhone that are better than the ones Apple made
> 
> By Dave Smith
> Business Insider 
> 
> 
> Every iPhone comes with a slew of Apple's own first-party apps. 
> 
> Thankfully, though, the App Store is overflowing with alternative apps, many
> of which are better than Apple's. 
> 
> Whether you're looking to organize your photos, get work done, or get around
> town, we've scoured the App Store for the best apps that are better than the
> default ones on your iPhone. 
> 
> Instead of Mail, use Edison Email.
> I try new email apps all the time, but after using Outlook for a while, I've
> fallen in love with another app, Edison Email. 
> It's incredibly fast, highly customizable, and, most importantly, it's both
> smarter and more proactive than any other email app I've used. It
> automatically scans your emails for purchases, receipts, attachments,
> calendar dates, and more, and it'll automatically put those emails into
> separate, appropriately labeled folders that appear on your sidebar. It's
> super nifty - you can  read my review of it here. 
> (Edison Email,  free) 
> 
> Instead of Calendar, use Google Calendar.
> I've used Google's calendar app on the desktop for years - but even if you
> haven't, you'll feel right at home on Google Calendar, which is beautiful to
> look at and easy to use. 
> Like Apple's Calendar, it can pull in data from Google, Facebook, and
> iCloud, but it presents all the information in a much more useful way than
> Apple's default app does. The top half of the screen shows you the whole
> month, and the lower half of the screen shows you what's up next. You can
> scroll down to see what's coming up, and you can tap the top right corner of
> the screen to jump back to the present day. It's all incredibly intuitive. 
> (Google Calendar,  free) 
> 
> Instead of Notes, use Evernote.
> Apple's Notes for iOS has gotten better in recent years, but Evernote is
> still the best way to create different types of notes and keep them
> organized across all your devices. 
> With Evernote, you can create notes out from photos or text, flag notes to
> revisit later, set reminders for yourself, and tag your notes in various
> ways to stay organized. Better yet, if you take pictures of documents and
> upload them to Evernote, its powerful search function can even scan those
> PDFs and other documents. And, of course, Evernote syncs across all devices
> - phones, tablets, laptops, and desktops. 
> (Evernote, free) 
> 
> Instead of Maps, use Google Maps.
> Apple's mapping and navigation app has gotten much better since its debut in
> 2012, but Google Maps is still the most reliable, most detailed,
> easiest-to-use mapping and navigation app for travel, whether you're
> walking, driving, biking, taking a bus, taking a train, or hailing a car. 
> Google says its Maps data is crowdsourced from "oodles of Android phones
> moving through the world" and processed by machine learning algorithms that
> study traffic patterns to give you the quickest route every time. 
> (Google Maps, free) 
> 
> Instead of Voice Memos, use Recordium.
> Apple's Voice Memos app is nice, but it doesn't give you a great way to
> organize or annotate all your recordings. Enter Recordium, which lets you
> edit your clips right in the app and annotate any part of the recording. It
> will even sync with your favorite cloud storage service like Google Drive or
> Dropbox. 
> (Recordium Pro,  $9.99) 
> 
> Instead of Apple Music, use Spotify.
> Apple Music is Apple's built-in music streaming service - you can still load
> it up with music from your iTunes library for free, but if you pay $10 a
> month, you'll get access to Apple's entire music catalog. Spotify, however,
> is still the most polished music app out there, and in my opinion the best
> experience that's actually worth your money. 
> Spotify Premium costs about the same per month as Apple Music, but Spotify
> organizes music into clever ways that Apple does not. Aside from browsing by
> genre or what's topping the charts, Spotify also puts together a unique
> "Discover Weekly" playlist for you every Monday based on your listening
> habits and a "Release Radar" 

Re: Beware of a new inaccessible control

[Krister Ekstrom]

It’s called Fundler, but i’vde seen this type of dialog in another app as well 
that i don’t remember the name of.
/Krister


> 16 juni 2018 kl. 17:40 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   What app is this?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
> it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan
> 
> On 6/16/2018 6:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> Hello
>> I have recently tried to start an account in an app and failed due to a new 
>> inaccessible control, or rather the control isn’t inaccessible as such but … 
>> well, it’s like this:
>> I as i said tried to open an account in an app and they wanted to have my 
>> phone number, which is totally understandable. However, there’s no chance to 
>> enter the telephone number because as soon as i try clicking the box where i 
>> am to type in my telephone number, a new dialog pops up asking for country 
>> code. This would have been acceptable if it wasn’t for the fact that this 
>> popup mechanism blocks the field where the phone number should be entered so 
>> that every time you try clicking on the phone number field, and you don’t 
>> even need to touch the field, only pass over it with a finger, the menu with 
>> country codes pops up so you can’t type the phone number.
>> Swiping won’t help, turning VO off and trying to click this field won’t help 
>> because when you turn VO on again the country code menu pops up again.
>> Sorry for crossposting but i wanted to reach out with this in case someone 
>> has seen this behaviour and maybe has a solution/workaround.
>> /Krister
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Beware of a new inaccessible control

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello 
I have recently tried to start an account in an app and failed due to a new 
inaccessible control, or rather the control isn’t inaccessible as such but … 
well, it’s like this:
I as i said tried to open an account in an app and they wanted to have my phone 
number, which is totally understandable. However, there’s no chance to enter 
the telephone number because as soon as i try clicking the box where i am to 
type in my telephone number, a new dialog pops up asking for country code. This 
would have been acceptable if it wasn’t for the fact that this popup mechanism 
blocks the field where the phone number should be entered so that every time 
you try clicking on the phone number field, and you don’t even need to touch 
the field, only pass over it with a finger, the menu with country codes pops up 
so you can’t type the phone number.
Swiping won’t help, turning VO off and trying to click this field won’t help 
because when you turn VO on again the country code menu pops up again.
Sorry for crossposting but i wanted to reach out with this in case someone has 
seen this behaviour and maybe has a solution/workaround.
/Krister

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Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I’m actually a bit surpriced that the touchbars haven’t made it into the magic 
keyboard for the mac.
I wonder if they will come.
/Krister


> 12 juni 2018 kl. 20:25 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Close John.  It was actually 2016 that the Touch Bar MacBook Pros came out.  
> Everything else you've stated is right on the money.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:55, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>I believe the 2017 models were the first, but it's only the Mac Book Pros 
> at the moment. I think there might still be a MBP model that doesn't have the 
> Touch Bar. The Mac Book Air and Mac Book models don't use the Touch Bar I 
> believe.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:52 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys
>> and replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what
>> models were the last to have physical keys?
>> 
>> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
>> 
>> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone
>> recalls any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
>> 
>> Janina
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>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org 
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>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa 
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A good gps solution for the blind revisited

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Sorry for the somewhat frustrated tone of this letter, guess i need to let off 
steam or somesuch.:-)
I’m trying to find a good gps solution because i’m about to try a new route 
that i haven’t walked for a year or more. At that time i had an Android phone 
and just about the only good thing with that phone was the gps app GetThere 
which in my not so humble opinion blows everything else on every platform out 
of the water.
I realize ofcourse that there’s nothing like GetThere in the Apple eco system, 
at least nothing that’s available in Sweden. Soundscape has not yet arrived, 
and as i say the sendero and APH apps aren’t available to us. Some people use 
Apple maps, and i wonder how they do it to be honest. I prefer to have my phone 
in my pocket but even with navigation with headings turned on, nothing is 
spoken except the occasional turn-by-turn instruction but not even that is 
reliable. 
So to people using apple maps, are you holding your phone in your hand? What 
then if you carry bags or such?
Thanks for any help.
/Krister

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Apple Watch series 2 and Airpods

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I have an Apple watch series two and in the manual they claim that you should 
be able to use them with an apple watch when you don’t use it with the iPhone, 
however, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
When i stop using the iPhone and try to use the watch, no sound comes from the 
Airpods.
Is theresomething i could do to have this work or is it a bug somewhere?
Apple said in the manual that if the watch and the phone are connected to the 
same apple id which they are, then pairing should happen seamlessly, if not, 
what do i do?
/Krister

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Is there a way to forward an entire mail conversation?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
This is one of those ”i really should know this but…” questions:
If i have to forward a lot of mail to others and they are in a conversation or 
more, is it possible to forward that entire conversation thread or must i 
forward the mails one by one? If there is a way to forward a thread at once, 
how would this be done?
Thanks.
/Krister

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Re: I'm probably getting my airpods today, is there something i should know?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I’ve had this problem even with a Plantronics Voyager legend so that doesn’t 
disturb me in the least.
/Krister


> 23 mars 2018 kl. 21:29 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> Hi Krista,
> I can tell you one thing that makes the apple earpods shit,
>  
> If you don’t charge them for a few days then the bloody things cut out during 
> phone calls.
>  
> I just don’t get it, why can’t they stay functioning until the call your on 
> is ended.
> Crap, absolute shit.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2018 11:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm probably getting my airpods today, is there something i 
> should know?
>  
> I have to tell you a story about the first step you mentioned.
> So there i was with my shiny new airpods, proud as ever. I took them out of 
> the case and put them in my ears and nothing happened. I got grumpily 
> disappointed since it was quite late yesterday evening and i said to myself 
> that this was money wasted because the frigging things don’t work and i put 
> back the airpods in their case, or i was just about to when suddenly the 
> phone came to life and shouted that there was a couple airpods nearby and 
> would i want to pair them so i answered yes and off i went. 
> I’m surpriced at just how good they sound. I think they will be my favourite 
> ear phones.
> /Krister
>  
> 
> 
> 22 mars 2018 kl. 02:36 skrev Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>>:
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> The process is simple. You unlock your phone, open the AirPods case near the 
> phone, and wait a moment. You'll be asked if you want to pair the AirPods 
> with the phone, to which you answer that you do. Once that's done, insert the 
> AirPods into your ears, and off you go.
>  
> To control what each Pod does when you tap it twice, open Settings, then 
> Bluetooth. Find your AirPods in the list, go to More Info, and find the 
> settings there. Each Pod can skip forward or back, play/pause, or invoke Siri 
> when you double tap it. You can have two different commands (one per Pod) or 
> use the same command on both.
>  
> To stop using AirPods, just remove them. To use them again, put them in. If 
> you insert them, they chime to indicate they're on, but sound doesn't route 
> to them, open your control center. Do a 3d press (or double tap and hold on 
> devices lacking that ability) on the playback controls to expand that 
> section. Find and double tap "playback destination", and choose your airPods 
> from that list. I find that, if sound doesn't go to my AirPods right away, I 
> can issue a play command (since my left Pod is set up for that) and sound 
> usually goes to them on its own.
>  
> There's more to them, like how to use them with other devices, but that 
> should be more than enough to get you started. Also, since they have no 
> buttons or anything of their own, any questions you have which are answered 
> online should have no accessibility challenges.
> 
> --
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>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2018, at 04:39, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com 
> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hello,
> I’ve purchased a set of Apple Airpods that i’m going to get today or 
> tomorrow. Now i wonder if there’s anything i have to do to make these beasts 
> accessible and/or if there’s somewhere i could read up on the commands that 
> you use to operate the Airpods.
> I understand you have to tap somewhere on them to make things happen.
> Thanks for any help.
> /Krister
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Re: I'm probably getting my airpods today, is there something i should know?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I have to tell you a story about the first step you mentioned.
So there i was with my shiny new airpods, proud as ever. I took them out of the 
case and put them in my ears and nothing happened. I got grumpily disappointed 
since it was quite late yesterday evening and i said to myself that this was 
money wasted because the frigging things don’t work and i put back the airpods 
in their case, or i was just about to when suddenly the phone came to life and 
shouted that there was a couple airpods nearby and would i want to pair them so 
i answered yes and off i went. 
I’m surpriced at just how good they sound. I think they will be my favourite 
ear phones.
/Krister


> 22 mars 2018 kl. 02:36 skrev Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com>:
> 
> The process is simple. You unlock your phone, open the AirPods case near the 
> phone, and wait a moment. You'll be asked if you want to pair the AirPods 
> with the phone, to which you answer that you do. Once that's done, insert the 
> AirPods into your ears, and off you go.
> 
> To control what each Pod does when you tap it twice, open Settings, then 
> Bluetooth. Find your AirPods in the list, go to More Info, and find the 
> settings there. Each Pod can skip forward or back, play/pause, or invoke Siri 
> when you double tap it. You can have two different commands (one per Pod) or 
> use the same command on both.
> 
> To stop using AirPods, just remove them. To use them again, put them in. If 
> you insert them, they chime to indicate they're on, but sound doesn't route 
> to them, open your control center. Do a 3d press (or double tap and hold on 
> devices lacking that ability) on the playback controls to expand that 
> section. Find and double tap "playback destination", and choose your airPods 
> from that list. I find that, if sound doesn't go to my AirPods right away, I 
> can issue a play command (since my left Pod is set up for that) and sound 
> usually goes to them on its own.
> 
> There's more to them, like how to use them with other devices, but that 
> should be more than enough to get you started. Also, since they have no 
> buttons or anything of their own, any questions you have which are answered 
> online should have no accessibility challenges.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2018, at 04:39, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com 
>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I’ve purchased a set of Apple Airpods that i’m going to get today or 
>> tomorrow. Now i wonder if there’s anything i have to do to make these beasts 
>> accessible and/or if there’s somewhere i could read up on the commands that 
>> you use to operate the Airpods.
>> I understand you have to tap somewhere on them to make things happen.
>> Thanks for any help.
>> /Krister
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I'm probably getting my airpods today, is there something i should know?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello,
I’ve purchased a set of Apple Airpods that i’m going to get today or tomorrow. 
Now i wonder if there’s anything i have to do to make these beasts accessible 
and/or if there’s somewhere i could read up on the commands that you use to 
operate the Airpods.
I understand you have to tap somewhere on them to make things happen.
Thanks for any help.
/Krister

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Re: An audio editor question

[Krister Ekstrom]

It’s possible that left- and right brackets work, however they aren’t in the 
same place on the Swedish keyboard as on the US English so i don’t know if it’s 
at all possible to do this. I and O doesn’t work, it just produces the VO bong.
/Krister


> 18 mars 2018 kl. 19:33 skrev Raymond Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
> 
> Did you try left bracket to drop a beginning marker and right bracket to drop 
> an end marker?  Or, if that doesn’t work, try i for in marker at the 
> beginning point of a selection and o for out marker at the end.  I’d like to 
> know if you got that  to work.
> 
> 
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 4:36 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello and sorry for the cross posting but i figured that if someone on one 
>> list doesn’t know this then maybe another one on the other list might know.
>> I’m using an audio editor for the Mac called TwistedWave which for the very 
>> most part is accessible, however i can for the life of me not figure out how 
>> to select small portions of audio from the keyboard. I have tried shift+left 
>> and or shift+right arrow but to no avail.
>> Yes there are the editors where you can punch in how long a selection should 
>> be time wise but that method is unprecise as i see it because even if you 
>> say how many seconds or whatever the sound should be, you could get in the 
>> middle of a sound you don’t want edited and what then? 
>> I want to be able to edit audibly so that i hear exactly what is to be cut 
>> and what not and if i have selected too little or too much i want to be able 
>> to nudge the selection left or right.
>> Yes Amadeus can do that but then you don’t have scrubbing and it’s tedious 
>> and cumbersome to edit in there. In my opinion only two sound editors did 
>> this right, Soundforge for windows and Sound designer for Macc. 
>> Unfortunately Sound designer doesn’t exist anymore and Sound forge is on the 
>> wrong platform and besides it has gone from a nice two-track editor for 
>> stereo files to a multi track DAW wannabe.
>> So does anyone know if selecting small portions of sound is even possible 
>> from the keyboard in TwistedWave?
>> /Krister
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An audio editor question

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello and sorry for the cross posting but i figured that if someone on one list 
doesn’t know this then maybe another one on the other list might know.
I’m using an audio editor for the Mac called TwistedWave which for the very 
most part is accessible, however i can for the life of me not figure out how to 
select small portions of audio from the keyboard. I have tried shift+left and 
or shift+right arrow but to no avail.
Yes there are the editors where you can punch in how long a selection should be 
time wise but that method is unprecise as i see it because even if you say how 
many seconds or whatever the sound should be, you could get in the middle of a 
sound you don’t want edited and what then? 
I want to be able to edit audibly so that i hear exactly what is to be cut and 
what not and if i have selected too little or too much i want to be able to 
nudge the selection left or right.
Yes Amadeus can do that but then you don’t have scrubbing and it’s tedious and 
cumbersome to edit in there. In my opinion only two sound editors did this 
right, Soundforge for windows and Sound designer for Macc. Unfortunately Sound 
designer doesn’t exist anymore and Sound forge is on the wrong platform and 
besides it has gone from a nice two-track editor for stereo files to a multi 
track DAW wannabe.
So does anyone know if selecting small portions of sound is even possible from 
the keyboard in TwistedWave?
/Krister

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Re: Face id question

[Krister Ekstrom]

The first time i had Attention turned on, i could not for my life open the 
phone. Turned out i had the phone too close to my face, when i turned the 
feature off, i still couldn’t open the phone until i held it farther from my 
face and then it worked fine, so i turned on attention again to see if it would 
work better and it did so now i have attention turned on.
An extra layer of security is only good for you.:-)
/Krister


> 13 mars 2018 kl. 23:26 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com>:
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> Hi.
> 
> If you set up Face ID first without tension, as voice over won't let you put 
> it on first, once Face ID is set, you can turn Tention on providing that it 
> can see the eyes.  That is how I use mine.
>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:57, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> To those who use Face ID, do you use it with the extra Attention mode or do 
>> you have that turned off?
>> I tried the attention mode and it was almost impossible to open the phone 
>> then. I just wondered how you other people do it?
>> /Krister
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Face id question

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
To those who use Face ID, do you use it with the extra Attention mode or do you 
have that turned off?
I tried the attention mode and it was almost impossible to open the phone then. 
I just wondered how you other people do it?
/Krister

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Re: I have stepped into the future and have a question

[Krister Ekstrom]

I managed to get everything right, but it took a little fiddling. I reset the 
phone and then managed to get my apps and settings back in place again by 
choosing to set up the phone from a backup in iCloud so everything is back to 
normal again and i can start enjoying my new iPhone X.

> 13 mars 2018 kl. 21:17 skrev Maria Reyes <the.big.apple@icloud.com>:
> 
> to be honest, I set up my iPhone X as new. The only thing is I think you 
> still have to download your apps iCloud won't do it. Someone correct me if 
> I'm wrong. 
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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net 
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>> Hi,
>>  
>> By any chance, did you backup your previous phone before getting rid of it? 
>> You can do a restore from the backup to the IPhone 10. It sounds like you’ve 
>> already set the new phone up, but I know that when I did the setup on mine, 
>> there is a point during setup where if you just hold the old phone next to 
>> the new phone it copies over all or at least most of your settings. Of 
>> course this requires that you still have the older phone.
>>  
>> Good luck.
>>  
>> Eileen
>>  
>>  
>> From: Krister Ekstrom <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:56 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
>> Subject: I have stepped into the future and have a question
>>  
>> Hi i’ve got an iPhone X that i purchased today. I have just set it up and 
>> now i wonder, is there a way to get all my old settings back without having 
>> to start from the beginning again with setting up the iPhone? I want my 
>> apps, favorites and contacts and so on back.
>> I know this is a typical ”i should know this” question but i can for the 
>> life of me not remember how to get things back to the way it was on my 
>> iPhone 7 plus. Can someone please help?
>> Thanks,
>> /Krister
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Re: I have stepped into the future and have a question

[Krister Ekstrom]

That would’ve been wonderful if i could do that, but the old phone was changed 
for the new one on my phone providers store, and it all went so fast that i 
didn’t get the time to tell them to restore my old data again, oh well, i guess 
i will have to do the reset thing.
Thanks so much.
/Krister


> 13 mars 2018 kl. 16:33 skrev Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com>:
> 
> I know you said you didn’t want to start over, but the easiest thing might be 
> to do that. Just place your new phone next to your old one and initiate set 
> up. And your data will be copied over onto the new phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use iCloud backup but i can’t see anything to restore from even though 
>> there should be things to restore. Could you please remind me where to go?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 13 mars 2018 kl. 16:00 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>> 
>>> If you use iCloud Backup you can restore from it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 3/13/2018 7:56 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>>> Hi i’ve got an iPhone X that i purchased today. I have just set it up and 
>>>> now i wonder, is there a way to get all my old settings back without 
>>>> having to start from the beginning again with setting up the iPhone? I 
>>>> want my apps, favorites and contacts and so on back.
>>>> I know this is a typical ”i should know this” question but i can for the 
>>>> life of me not remember how to get things back to the way it was on my 
>>>> iPhone 7 plus. Can someone please help?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> /Krister
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Re: I have stepped into the future and have a question

[Krister Ekstrom]

I use iCloud backup but i can’t see anything to restore from even though there 
should be things to restore. Could you please remind me where to go?
/Krister


> 13 mars 2018 kl. 16:00 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
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>   If you use iCloud Backup you can restore from it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 3/13/2018 7:56 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> Hi i’ve got an iPhone X that i purchased today. I have just set it up and 
>> now i wonder, is there a way to get all my old settings back without having 
>> to start from the beginning again with setting up the iPhone? I want my 
>> apps, favorites and contacts and so on back.
>> I know this is a typical ”i should know this” question but i can for the 
>> life of me not remember how to get things back to the way it was on my 
>> iPhone 7 plus. Can someone please help?
>> Thanks,
>> /Krister
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I have stepped into the future and have a question

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi i’ve got an iPhone X that i purchased today. I have just set it up and now i 
wonder, is there a way to get all my old settings back without having to start 
from the beginning again with setting up the iPhone? I want my apps, favorites 
and contacts and so on back.
I know this is a typical ”i should know this” question but i can for the life 
of me not remember how to get things back to the way it was on my iPhone 7 
plus. Can someone please help?
Thanks,
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Re: Pro Tools with VO? is it any good?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hey,
I thought i would try PT 2018 out but i can only see a free trial of PT 11 
which is quite useless since i already have tested it. Is there a free trial or 
do i have to renew my license which i haven’t done since v11 came out?
Also is there a list of compatible control surfaces both third party and Avids 
own?
/Krister


> 23 feb. 2018 kl. 23:18 skrev Slau Halatyn :
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Pro Tools is quite accessible and has been improving over the years. Flo 
> Tools is a set of macros that make using Pro Tools far more efficient. 
> FloTools.org  has a bunch of information along with 
> tutorials, etc. One thing to consider is that there is currently nothing out 
> there in the way of Pro Tools-specific tutorials from a blindness 
> perspective. There was something called ProToolsWithSpeech.com 
>  but that's quite out-of-date at this point. 
> That said, it can be learned pretty much by reading the pdf manuals, although 
> it's daunting given the sheer amount of info. It's absolutely not for the 
> faint of heart but, it's worth it if you're serious about audio. Essentially, 
> you'll get out of it what you put into it. There's an email list and a 
> WhatsApp group. Feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more info.
> 
> Cheers,
> Slau
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Apologies if this has been asked before but i'm wondering if 
>> 
>> Pro Tools works at all with voiceover.
>> I was reading something about an open source set of scripts called flow 
>> tools which uses a third party program called keyboard maestro but i'm still 
>> not sure.
>> Has anyone on here ever managed to successfully use 
>> 
>> Pro Tools?
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: Pro Tools with VO? is it any good?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Well i don’t do so much Midi. It’s one of those things this dinosaur can’t get 
his head around. I record as if it was a Tascam 244 portastudio i worked with.
The advantage with Logic as i see it is that it has tons and tons of good 
instruments and it has a built-in drummer that is really good for being a drum 
machine.
/Krister


> 23 feb. 2018 kl. 19:07 skrev CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> It did take a bit of "elbow grease" to get use to the Pro tools  "DAW" after 
> switching from my AMPEX  2 inch tape machine though!
> If you haven't tried pro tools 12 or the new "2018 version that may explain 
> your observation. :)
> The midi section is night & day now from pre PT 12 days!
> YMMV :)
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>>> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Odd that you should say that. I found that in Pro tools you had to read tons 
>> of manuals and partly obsolete tutorials just to be able to record one 
>> single track. It took me over a year to even get off the ground and when i 
>> did, half of the time i didn’t know what i was doing, while in Logic i was 
>> off the ground within 6 months. Having said that i must say that i am one of 
>> those old dinosaures that can’t get his head around modern recording even 
>> though he tries.
>> Disclaimer: the opinions expressed above are solely my experience and does 
>> not necessarily apply to the rest of the blind community, in other words, 
>> ignore my rants please and get on with life as usual.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 23 feb. 2018 kl. 16:49 skrev CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Oriol,
>>> Don't want to get into a Mines better than yours discussion!
>>> But in a nut shell Pro Tools is very straight forward in achieving tasks & 
>>> Logic is very convoluted to do the same task!
>>> And we all know time is money! :)
>>> Its a shame Apple has owned Logic Audio for such a long period of time and 
>>> are still not up to there own Accessibility standards yet! :(
>>> I do 1 on 1 tutoring with Avid's Pro tools if anybody wants to contact me 
>>> off list!
>>> Talk soon
>>> Chuck
>>>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What are some differences between protools and logic?
>>>> 
>>>> Anything you can tell us?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/23/18, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>> Yes Avid Pro tools is VoiceOver accessible!
>>>>> Also you don't need flowtools at all Pro tools works right out of the box
>>>>> just fine.
>>>>> Its the best option for Audio recording out there!
>>>>> Yes I have logic audio and there is absolutely no comparison when it comes
>>>>> time to work in realtime along side of clients.
>>>>> Talk soon
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> hey all,
>>>>>> Apologies if this has been asked before but i'm wondering if
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pro Tools works at all with voiceover.
>>>>>> I was reading something about an open source set of scripts called flow
>>>>>> tools which uses a third party program called keyboard maestro but i'm
>>>>>> still not sure.
>>>>>> Has anyone on here ever managed to successfully use
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pro Tools?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael
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Re: Pro Tools with VO? is it any good?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Odd that you should say that. I found that in Pro tools you had to read tons of 
manuals and partly obsolete tutorials just to be able to record one single 
track. It took me over a year to even get off the ground and when i did, half 
of the time i didn’t know what i was doing, while in Logic i was off the ground 
within 6 months. Having said that i must say that i am one of those old 
dinosaures that can’t get his head around modern recording even though he tries.
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed above are solely my experience and does not 
necessarily apply to the rest of the blind community, in other words, ignore my 
rants please and get on with life as usual.
/Krister


> 23 feb. 2018 kl. 16:49 skrev CHUCK REICHEL :
> 
> Hi Oriol,
> Don't want to get into a Mines better than yours discussion!
> But in a nut shell Pro Tools is very straight forward in achieving tasks & 
> Logic is very convoluted to do the same task!
> And we all know time is money! :)
> Its a shame Apple has owned Logic Audio for such a long period of time and 
> are still not up to there own Accessibility standards yet! :(
> I do 1 on 1 tutoring with Avid's Pro tools if anybody wants to contact me off 
> list!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>> "Albert Einstein’
>> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> What are some differences between protools and logic?
>> 
>> Anything you can tell us?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> On 2/23/18, CHUCK REICHEL  wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> Yes Avid Pro tools is VoiceOver accessible!
>>> Also you don't need flowtools at all Pro tools works right out of the box
>>> just fine.
>>> Its the best option for Audio recording out there!
>>> Yes I have logic audio and there is absolutely no comparison when it comes
>>> time to work in realtime along side of clients.
>>> Talk soon
>>> Chuck
>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>> 
 hey all,
 Apologies if this has been asked before but i'm wondering if
 
 Pro Tools works at all with voiceover.
 I was reading something about an open source set of scripts called flow
 tools which uses a third party program called keyboard maestro but i'm
 still not sure.
 Has anyone on here ever managed to successfully use
 
 Pro Tools?
 
 thanks
 
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Re: Microsoft Office.

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I have no knowledge of excell since i don’t work with that kind of 
applications. For my kind of workflow which is very simple, word works well. 
What i’m most impressed with however is the way Outlook now works on the Mac 
with every calendar view accessible and visible, whereas earlier on there was 
not much accessibility there.
/Krister


> 22 feb. 2018 kl. 11:46 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> I am working for the an organization here in Sweden with Blind Christians.
> We are going to get new computers for the Office and they plan or discuss to 
> go from Windows to Mac.
> How accessible is Microsoft Office together with VoiceOver?
> Can it be used at all or are there things that can be used while other 
> components can’t?
> I don’t think we use powerpoint but how is it with word and excell?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: GPS on iOS

[Krister Ekstrom]

In Moovit, is it possible when you’ve made a route to see upcoming busses in 
realtime, that is not only when they are estimated to arrive according to time 
table but when it actually is to arrive if you understand what i mean.
/Krister


> 7 jan. 2018 kl. 13:47 skrev David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>:
> 
> I mainly use Apple Maps. I occasionally use Google Maps. When using public 
> transit, I use moovit.
> 
> I occasionally use BlindSquare when searching for nearby businesses.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2018, at 18:45, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is the only gripe i have about the iOs platform, that no good gps 
>> solution exists if you live outside the US or UK and i think it’s too bad. 
>> Yes you can use Blindsquare but personally i don’t think it’s as intuitive 
>> as it could be.
>> Isn’t Viaopta nav only limited to turn-by-turn instructions?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 6 jan. 2018 kl. 17:42 skrev Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>:
>>> 
>>> Hello James,
>>> 
>>> I’ve just looked for Nearby Explorer in the French Appstore and it isn’t 
>>> available here. Looking at the information, it seems only to work fully in 
>>> North America and Canada.
>>> I have several GPS apps and usually use BlindSquare which isn’t cheap, but 
>>> there are other similar options. One that I think is free and seems to have 
>>> become quite good is ViaOpta Nav.
>>> Also, the built-in Maps app is accessible and will give you walking 
>>> directions.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Jan 2018, at 17:59, James Austin <james.londons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone recommend any GPS apps please? I am particularly looking for 
>>>> something that allows me to roam freely, tells me when I am approaching an 
>>>> intersection/street, and if possible, the shape of the road.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you
>>>> 
>>>> Take care
>>>> 
>>>> James
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Re: GPS on iOS

[Krister Ekstrom]

This is the only gripe i have about the iOs platform, that no good gps solution 
exists if you live outside the US or UK and i think it’s too bad. Yes you can 
use Blindsquare but personally i don’t think it’s as intuitive as it could be.
Isn’t Viaopta nav only limited to turn-by-turn instructions?
/Krister


> 6 jan. 2018 kl. 17:42 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello James,
> 
> I’ve just looked for Nearby Explorer in the French Appstore and it isn’t 
> available here. Looking at the information, it seems only to work fully in 
> North America and Canada.
> I have several GPS apps and usually use BlindSquare which isn’t cheap, but 
> there are other similar options. One that I think is free and seems to have 
> become quite good is ViaOpta Nav.
> Also, the built-in Maps app is accessible and will give you walking 
> directions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2018, at 17:59, James Austin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend any GPS apps please? I am particularly looking for 
>> something that allows me to roam freely, tells me when I am approaching an 
>> intersection/street, and if possible, the shape of the road.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> James
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Re: New IPhone X and Setup.

[Krister Ekstrom]

Here here, Ray. +1000 to that.

> 5 dec. 2017 kl. 19:57 skrev Raymond Foret Jr :
> 
> Just being truthful blast it.  I am getting sick and tired of whiny blind 
> people complaining we can’t do this or that when, if they would just bother 
> to properly inform themselves, they would see otherwise.  Is it any wonder 
> that the sighted look down on us so much?
> 
> 
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:16 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Perhaps its some blind people who don't have all the answers and go to 
>> those who are there to offer tech support. Why blame them for being helpful? 
>> Why waste your time being so critical? It serves no purpose.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/5/2017 3:33 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
>>> Simon is correct.  I too set up my iPhone X with no sighted assistance what 
>>> so ever.  Could it be that some stupid individual or individuals out there 
>>> are trying to make us blind people think that a blind person cannot set up 
>>> an iPhone X?  Dare I speculate that some blind people are trying to make 
>>> the rest of us blind people think we cannot set up an iPhone X without the 
>>> assistance of the all mighty sighted?  Well, all I have to say about that 
>>> is BS!!!
>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
 On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Yes Robin,
 Why is that so difficult to understand?
 I also setup my own mac computers infact I setup iMacs at twork for the 
 team I work with,
 And yes totally blind
 *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]*On
  Behalf Of*Robin
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 *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 *Subject:*Re: New IPhone X and Setup.
 Wow! Independent SetUp of Apple's iPhoneX
 By TotallyBlind with ONLY PhoneAssistance
 Right???
 or
 Are you LowVision?
 
 Congratulations!! On YourPurchase of Apple's iPhoneX
 Enjoy YourSelf & Your iPhoneX
 At 06:23 PM 12/3/2017, you wrote:
 
   Hi All,
 
   I got my IPhone X this past Thursday and decided to do the set up
   today since I had a block of time to work on it. I did call Apple
   Accessibility to ask for assistance since I wanted to be sure
   everything went smoothly. The tech person did a screen sharing
   session with me on my IPhone 6 since the new phone wasn’t set up
   screen sharing could not be done on the X directly. We did the
   screen sharing and he had me launch the camera so in turn I held
   the 6 above the 10 and he was able to view the screen on the new 10.
 
   For the most part, it worked out very well. The thing I found most
   frustrating is that the X would lock in a very short time and it
   kept requiring reentry of my pass code numerous times. I found
   this added unnecessarily to the time it took to set up the phone.
   When the phone was finally up and running and I checked out
   settings, I found it was set to lock after only 30 seconds.
 
   During setup I also skipped the facial recognition. I need to go
   to an Apple store later in the week since I’ll need a new
   outerbox and screen protector so I think I’ll ask for assistance
   then in setting up the facial recognition. So far the phone seems
   lovely and its a matter of getting use to new ways of unlocking,
   going to the home screen and the app switcher which don’t seem
   difficult at all. I am finding right now the phone is very fast
   and very responsive. I’m sure I’ll find other things where
   I’ll need to alter how I do things but as of now I am very happy
   with what I’m experiencing with this phone.
 
   Eileen
 
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Re: Strange problem with Sophos AntiVirus

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi and thank you.
I have had this nagging dialog for over a week now so i think i could hang on 
for a couple days more.:-)
/Krister


> 4 nov. 2017 kl. 04:39 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I know I've struck a similar situation like this a couple of years back where 
> the Sophos version I used wasn't working well with I think it was OS X 10.10 
> at the time.
> 
> We had a link to a Sophos page that had a script that you could run which 
> would remove the old version of Sophos getting rid of everything from it's 
> installation.
> 
> I will check this one with our security team on Monday if you can hang on 
> that long.
> 
> Otherwise may be searching for a Sophos removal tool would be a good solution 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, 4 November 2017 5:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Strange problem with Sophos AntiVirus
> 
> Hello,
> I’m trying to uninstall Sophos Antivirus so that i can reinstall it again. 
> The saga started a while back when i suddenly couldn’t open Sophos at all 
> because it claimed that an image was missing and when i tried to quit, the 
> application got into an endless loop where it popped up the dialog about that 
> it couldn’t open time and time again.
> I stupidly uninstalled only the application portion and forgot that deep in 
> the system there was this Sophos agent that should be turned off before 
> uninstalling, now the real fun begins: Every time the computer starts up i 
> get this message saying that the Sophos agent couldn’t be opened because of 
> an unexpected error a help button and an ok button. Pressing the ok button 
> makes the dialog go away a couple minutes at best but then it comes right 
> back again and pressing ok only pops it up again. I have chosen to ignore the 
> dialog because i don’t know what to do and how to do it to get rid of the 
> offending component and reinstall Sophos again.
> I have been into the login items page, but Sophos agent can’t be found. I 
> have tried to kill processes but no process with the name ”Sophos agent” is 
> present. I have tried to throw away components from the /user/library but it 
> can’t be done because a component is in use.
> What can i do?
> /Krister
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Strange problem with Sophos AntiVirus

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello,
I’m trying to uninstall Sophos Antivirus so that i can reinstall it again. The 
saga started a while back when i suddenly couldn’t open Sophos at all because 
it claimed that an image was missing and when i tried to quit, the application 
got into an endless loop where it popped up the dialog about that it couldn’t 
open time and time again.
I stupidly uninstalled only the application portion and forgot that deep in the 
system there was this Sophos agent that should be turned off before 
uninstalling, now the real fun begins: Every time the computer starts up i get 
this message saying that the Sophos agent couldn’t be opened because of an 
unexpected error a help button and an ok button. Pressing the ok button makes 
the dialog go away a couple minutes at best but then it comes right back again 
and pressing ok only pops it up again. I have chosen to ignore the dialog 
because i don’t know what to do and how to do it to get rid of the offending 
component and reinstall Sophos again.
I have been into the login items page, but Sophos agent can’t be found. I have 
tried to kill processes but no process with the name ”Sophos agent” is present. 
I have tried to throw away components from the /user/library but it can’t be 
done because a component is in use.
What can i do?
/Krister

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Re: alternatives to Skype?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Can you send messages to members of the conference and have the replies only go 
to me? Can you do this outside an actual conference?
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 22:09 skrev David Chittenden :
> 
> Yes, and even better, they have call-in phone numbers in many countries. All 
> call-in numbers take one to the sam conference system. Their free system only 
> permits conferences up to one hour in length, and a maximum of 15 attendees. 
> Their paid service permits unlimited length conferences, and the lowest paid 
> service permits up to 50 attendees (if memory serves). They are not very 
> expensive, and a paid account lasts 30 days per pay period (as of a year 
> ago). I believe they also have annual plans.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2017, at 23:13, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David and Ray,
>> 
>> Does Zoom give you the option of having a phone number that people can call?
>> 
>> Thanks very much for the suggestion.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I second that for sure.  On the Mac, Zoom is quite accessible as well.  
>>> Beats Skype all to hell in my opinion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>> 
 On Oct 29, 2017, at 3:41 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Zoom is the up-and-coming teleconferencing app. It works on iPhone, 
 Android, Windows, and Mac. It is rather accessible with developers who 
 keep accessibility in mind during development and updates. Several 
 organisations that I communicate or work with use Zoom. I encourage 
 organisations which do not use Zoom to change. Amongst other reasons, Zoom 
 is one of the least expensive apps, yet has a very robust feature set.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 29 Oct 2017, at 17:52, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> 
> I use Skype less and less and only use Face time and what's app if needs 
> be.  
> For work I have to use Skype for Business and I do not like it.
>> On 28 Oct 2017, at 21:18, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> I seem to have kinda sorta resolved the voicemail issue in that I was 
>> able to leave myself one and successfully retrieve it.  This makes me 
>> think that perhaps the person who thought they had left a voice message 
>> had called a wrong number.
>> 
>> That said, I've been liking Skype less and less since Microsoft bought 
>> it.  Just curious if anyone is using an alternative app?  If so, what?  
>> I know about GoogleVoice, but wonder about its longevity, and also have 
>> not been happy with the call quality.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Application for the Mac that can build audio books?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi and thanks for that. I’ll have a look at it.
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:53 skrev jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Krister,
> I think I've got it! There's an app in the mac app store called mp3
> cutter joiner for $2.99. Looks like it got good reviews. It also looks
> like the app is updated regularly!
> Hope this helps! Jeff
> 
> 
> On 10/29/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> Ok, it would be pretty crappy if you bought the app for 50 swedish crowns
>> only to find out that you *had* to put your readily built books into iTunes
>> and iTunes alone.
>> 
>> 
>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:47 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I think you can skip this step.
>>> So you can build books and have the app not importing things to Itunes.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:35 skrev Krister Ekstrom
>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> No it isn’t unless you can make it not import into iTunes. From the
>>>> description in the app store it seems you could only place readymade
>>>> audio books into iTunes which i don’t want.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:22 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Audiobook builder is the one you want.
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 15:13 skrev Krister Ekstrom
>>>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi I’m looking for an application for the Mac that can build Audio
>>>>>> books from folders with .mp3 or other files and that does not place the
>>>>>> book into iTunes. The reason i want this is that sometimes when i load
>>>>>> audio books into Sonos or my Victor Reader the files get messed upp so
>>>>>> that some chapters of a book appear before others, and it would be
>>>>>> great if there was a way via an application to sort this mess out.
>>>>>> I looked at Audio book builder but it required iTunes, something i want
>>>>>> to avoid like the plague.
>>>>>> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>>>>>> /Krister
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Re: Application for the Mac that can build audio books?

[Krister Ekstrom]

You can’t take VLC with you when on a trip. I don’t read books on the iPhone 
due to battery being how it is, i much prefer the Victor reader stream.
I purchased Audio book builder and it has some good features, but there’s at 
least one feature it lacks, namely the possibility to save files into .mp3 
format. It can save to M4a or M4b and if my Victor reader can read the M4a 
format i guess it’s ok, but if it can’t then i’m basically screwed.
/Krister


> 30 okt. 2017 kl. 06:17 skrev Maria Chapman <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>:
> 
> HI.
> 
> will vlc not play m4b?
> 
> Maria
> 
>> On 30 Oct 2017, at 4:25 am, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Krister,
>> As far as .m4b files go the answer is yes and no. The only thing I
>> know of that will play them on the mac is itunes, and possibly
>> quicktime. On windows s, windows media player will play them, although
>> it will bitch at you the first few times you try it. Where do you want
>> to play your audio books?
>> As far as apps to join mp3's i'll look around and see what I can find.
>> I use mp3 surgeon on windows and it works fine. On the amac I've
>> useany audio joiner from the app store but its not reliable. Sometimes
>> it joins mp3's very quickly and then the result doesn't play right.
>> Other times it takes hours to do nne book, so I deleted it off my mac.
>> I'll take a look around and get back to you about  mp3 joiners.Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/29/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>>> Can an .m4b file be played outside the Apple eco system? Also could you give
>>> an example of a good app that combines many .mp3 files into one?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 15:43 skrev jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Krister,
>>>> There is an app I use called audio book binder. Its available in the
>>>> app store. It does want to import your books into itunes but you can
>>>> turn this off in the preferences. It takes a bunch of mp3's and turns
>>>> them into 1 .m4b file. If you want to join together a bunch of mp3's
>>>> into one mp3 there are apps in the mac app store that do that too.
>>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/29/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi I’m looking for an application for the Mac that can build Audio books
>>>>> from folders with .mp3 or other files and that does not place the book
>>>>> into
>>>>> iTunes. The reason i want this is that sometimes when i load audio books
>>>>> into Sonos or my Victor Reader the files get messed upp so that some
>>>>> chapters of a book appear before others, and it would be great if there
>>>>> was
>>>>> a way via an application to sort this mess out.
>>>>> I looked at Audio book builder but it required iTunes, something i want
>>>>> to
>>>>> avoid like the plague.
>>>>> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>>>>> /Krister
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Re: Switching voices in High Sierra

[Krister Ekstrom]

I must be utterly dence but i can’t find any such shortcut anywhere. It’s 
probably because i don’t know what to look for. I found ”open previous” and 
”open next item in the voice attributes guide” but i guess that’s not it.
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:58 skrev 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Thanks for the tip.i bet it works every time
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> that's cool.  I didn't know you could do that.  Thanks, Anne.
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Here’s a slightly quicker way of switching voices in High Sierra.
>>> • Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Down Arrow or set a shortcut to do this;
>>> •Type the first few letters of the name of the desired voice;
>>> • Press VO-Space and the new voice should start speaking.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
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Re: Application for the Mac that can build audio books?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Ok, it would be pretty crappy if you bought the app for 50 swedish crowns only 
to find out that you *had* to put your readily built books into iTunes and 
iTunes alone.


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:47 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
> 
> Hi!
> I think you can skip this step.
> So you can build books and have the app not importing things to Itunes.
> /A
> 
>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:35 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>:
>> 
>> No it isn’t unless you can make it not import into iTunes. From the 
>> description in the app store it seems you could only place readymade audio 
>> books into iTunes which i don’t want.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:22 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Audiobook builder is the one you want.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 15:13 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi I’m looking for an application for the Mac that can build Audio books 
>>>> from folders with .mp3 or other files and that does not place the book 
>>>> into iTunes. The reason i want this is that sometimes when i load audio 
>>>> books into Sonos or my Victor Reader the files get messed upp so that some 
>>>> chapters of a book appear before others, and it would be great if there 
>>>> was a way via an application to sort this mess out.
>>>> I looked at Audio book builder but it required iTunes, something i want to 
>>>> avoid like the plague.
>>>> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>>>> /Krister
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Re: alternatives to Skype?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Stop the press!!! I’ve actually found it in the Swedish app store. It says 
something like ”zoom cloud meetings and ” something else, i hope that is it 
because it had quite many features by the looks of it.
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:44 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
> 
> Hi!
> No i haven’t heard of that one.
> So this is for our friends at the other side of the pond.
> But hangouts can do phone calls from what i know.
> But i am not sure how accessible it is.
> /A
> 
>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:13 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>:
>> 
>> As i say, and maybe Anders agrees, Zoom doesn’t seem to be available here 
>> unless i search with the wrong search term. What am i looking for exactly?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 19:31 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> What about hangouts?
>>> It works on android and Ios at least.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 09:41 skrev David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Zoom is the up-and-coming teleconferencing app. It works on iPhone, 
>>>> Android, Windows, and Mac. It is rather accessible with developers who 
>>>> keep accessibility in mind during development and updates. Several 
>>>> organisations that I communicate or work with use Zoom. I encourage 
>>>> organisations which do not use Zoom to change. Amongst other reasons, Zoom 
>>>> is one of the least expensive apps, yet has a very robust feature set.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Oct 2017, at 17:52, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Donna.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use Skype less and less and only use Face time and what's app if needs 
>>>>> be.  
>>>>> For work I have to use Skype for Business and I do not like it.
>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2017, at 21:18, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I seem to have kinda sorta resolved the voicemail issue in that I was 
>>>>>> able to leave myself one and successfully retrieve it.  This makes me 
>>>>>> think that perhaps the person who thought they had left a voice message 
>>>>>> had called a wrong number.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That said, I've been liking Skype less and less since Microsoft bought 
>>>>>> it.  Just curious if anyone is using an alternative app?  If so, what?  
>>>>>> I know about GoogleVoice, but wonder about its longevity, and also have 
>>>>>> not been happy with the call quality.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
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Re: Application for the Mac that can build audio books?

[Krister Ekstrom]

No it isn’t unless you can make it not import into iTunes. From the description 
in the app store it seems you could only place readymade audio books into 
iTunes which i don’t want.
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 20:22 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
> 
> Hi!
> Audiobook builder is the one you want.
> /A
> 
>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 15:13 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>:
>> 
>> Hi I’m looking for an application for the Mac that can build Audio books 
>> from folders with .mp3 or other files and that does not place the book into 
>> iTunes. The reason i want this is that sometimes when i load audio books 
>> into Sonos or my Victor Reader the files get messed upp so that some 
>> chapters of a book appear before others, and it would be great if there was 
>> a way via an application to sort this mess out.
>> I looked at Audio book builder but it required iTunes, something i want to 
>> avoid like the plague.
>> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>> /Krister
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Re: Switching voices in High Sierra

[Krister Ekstrom]

Confirmed here too, the menu does not stick. Maybe there’s a way of locking it 
but i don’t know it.
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 19:52 skrev Shawn Krasniuk :
> 
> Hey Anne. That doesn't work here. When I let go of the shift key, the menu 
> disappears. Sometimes it sticks but not all the time. When you get lucky and 
> the menu sticks, is that when you do that trick?
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Here’s a slightly quicker way of switching voices in High Sierra.
>> • Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Down Arrow or set a shortcut to do this;
>> •Type the first few letters of the name of the desired voice;
>> • Press VO-Space and the new voice should start speaking.
>> 
>> Cheers,
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Re: alternatives to Skype?

[Krister Ekstrom]

As i say, and maybe Anders agrees, Zoom doesn’t seem to be available here 
unless i search with the wrong search term. What am i looking for exactly?
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 19:31 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> What about hangouts?
> It works on android and Ios at least.
> /A
> 
>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 09:41 skrev David Chittenden :
>> 
>> Zoom is the up-and-coming teleconferencing app. It works on iPhone, Android, 
>> Windows, and Mac. It is rather accessible with developers who keep 
>> accessibility in mind during development and updates. Several organisations 
>> that I communicate or work with use Zoom. I encourage organisations which do 
>> not use Zoom to change. Amongst other reasons, Zoom is one of the least 
>> expensive apps, yet has a very robust feature set.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2017, at 17:52, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> 
>>> I use Skype less and less and only use Face time and what's app if needs 
>>> be.  
>>> For work I have to use Skype for Business and I do not like it.
 On 28 Oct 2017, at 21:18, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 I seem to have kinda sorta resolved the voicemail issue in that I was able 
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 called a wrong number.
 
 That said, I've been liking Skype less and less since Microsoft bought it. 
  Just curious if anyone is using an alternative app?  If so, what?  I know 
 about GoogleVoice, but wonder about its longevity, and also have not been 
 happy with the call quality.
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Re: Application for the Mac that can build audio books?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi and thanks so much.
I was looking to play the audio books either in my Sonos system or in my Victor 
Readers, i have both a Stream and a Stratos.
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 18:25 skrev jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Krister,
> As far as .m4b files go the answer is yes and no. The only thing I
> know of that will play them on the mac is itunes, and possibly
> quicktime. On windows s, windows media player will play them, although
> it will bitch at you the first few times you try it. Where do you want
> to play your audio books?
> As far as apps to join mp3's i'll look around and see what I can find.
> I use mp3 surgeon on windows and it works fine. On the amac I've
> useany audio joiner from the app store but its not reliable. Sometimes
> it joins mp3's very quickly and then the result doesn't play right.
> Other times it takes hours to do nne book, so I deleted it off my mac.
> I'll take a look around and get back to you about  mp3 joiners.Jeff
> 
> 
> On 10/29/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> Can an .m4b file be played outside the Apple eco system? Also could you give
>> an example of a good app that combines many .mp3 files into one?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 15:43 skrev jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Krister,
>>> There is an app I use called audio book binder. Its available in the
>>> app store. It does want to import your books into itunes but you can
>>> turn this off in the preferences. It takes a bunch of mp3's and turns
>>> them into 1 .m4b file. If you want to join together a bunch of mp3's
>>> into one mp3 there are apps in the mac app store that do that too.
>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/29/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi I’m looking for an application for the Mac that can build Audio books
>>>> from folders with .mp3 or other files and that does not place the book
>>>> into
>>>> iTunes. The reason i want this is that sometimes when i load audio books
>>>> into Sonos or my Victor Reader the files get messed upp so that some
>>>> chapters of a book appear before others, and it would be great if there
>>>> was
>>>> a way via an application to sort this mess out.
>>>> I looked at Audio book builder but it required iTunes, something i want
>>>> to
>>>> avoid like the plague.
>>>> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>>>> /Krister
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Re: Application for the Mac that can build audio books?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Can an .m4b file be played outside the Apple eco system? Also could you give an 
example of a good app that combines many .mp3 files into one?
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 15:43 skrev jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Krister,
> There is an app I use called audio book binder. Its available in the
> app store. It does want to import your books into itunes but you can
> turn this off in the preferences. It takes a bunch of mp3's and turns
> them into 1 .m4b file. If you want to join together a bunch of mp3's
> into one mp3 there are apps in the mac app store that do that too.
> Hope this helps! Jeff
> 
> 
> On 10/29/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> Hi I’m looking for an application for the Mac that can build Audio books
>> from folders with .mp3 or other files and that does not place the book into
>> iTunes. The reason i want this is that sometimes when i load audio books
>> into Sonos or my Victor Reader the files get messed upp so that some
>> chapters of a book appear before others, and it would be great if there was
>> a way via an application to sort this mess out.
>> I looked at Audio book builder but it required iTunes, something i want to
>> avoid like the plague.
>> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>> /Krister
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Application for the Mac that can build audio books?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi I’m looking for an application for the Mac that can build Audio books from 
folders with .mp3 or other files and that does not place the book into iTunes. 
The reason i want this is that sometimes when i load audio books into Sonos or 
my Victor Reader the files get messed upp so that some chapters of a book 
appear before others, and it would be great if there was a way via an 
application to sort this mess out.
I looked at Audio book builder but it required iTunes, something i want to 
avoid like the plague.
Any help with this would be appreciated.
/Krister

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Re: alternatives to Skype?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I myself use Whatsapp for almost all my phoning and messaging needs. I don’t 
know if you can call outside Whatsapp though. Unfortunately it seems Zoom isn’t 
available here in Sweden for some reasson.
I would recommend Viber but i have gotten some spams there so i’m not sure i 
want to have to do with them at all.
/Krister


> 29 okt. 2017 kl. 14:09 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I feel your pain.  I have to use Skype for Business at my day job, too, and I 
> don't like it either.  I swear Microsoft just ruins everything they touch.
> 
> The problem with Face time is that it only works with other apple products.  
> I use Skype in my coaching business.  So I need a solution that isn't Apple 
> limited.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:52 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> I use Skype less and less and only use Face time and what's app if needs be. 
>>  
>> For work I have to use Skype for Business and I do not like it.
>>> On 28 Oct 2017, at 21:18, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> I seem to have kinda sorta resolved the voicemail issue in that I was able 
>>> to leave myself one and successfully retrieve it.  This makes me think that 
>>> perhaps the person who thought they had left a voice message had called a 
>>> wrong number.
>>> 
>>> That said, I've been liking Skype less and less since Microsoft bought it.  
>>> Just curious if anyone is using an alternative app?  If so, what?  I know 
>>> about GoogleVoice, but wonder about its longevity, and also have not been 
>>> happy with the call quality.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: You Tube downloader?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I use Downie from Charly Monrow software. I like it a lot.
Google and you shall find.
/Krister


> 24 okt. 2017 kl. 14:04 skrev Jürgen Fleger :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> up to now I used You View as a You Tube downloader. Unfortunately it doesn’t 
> support High Sierra and the developer seems not to release a new version 
> soon. 
> Which downloader do you recommend? I’d love to have an app rather than a web 
> page. But a web page would be fine as well.
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> Thanks and all the best
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Re: App for cleaning up your contacts

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi and thanks for that info. I’ll have to investigate that possibility, didn’t 
even know it was there. Well you learn new things every day i guess.:-)
/Krister


> 23 okt. 2017 kl. 19:38 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> In the Contacts aapp itself under the card menu there’s an item “look for 
> duplicates…”. When activated, it will show you duplicate cards and you can 
> then use another menu item to merge duplicates into one card.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have a contacts list that is very messy to say the least. It looks big but 
>> that’s because there are lots and lots of duplicate contacts, so now i 
>> wonder if there’s an accessible, good app that works worldwide that can 
>> clean up duplicates and merge different contacts if there is different info 
>> in the duplicates or at least get rid of those pesky duplicates?
>> /Krister
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App for cleaning up your contacts

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello,
I have a contacts list that is very messy to say the least. It looks big but 
that’s because there are lots and lots of duplicate contacts, so now i wonder 
if there’s an accessible, good app that works worldwide that can clean up 
duplicates and merge different contacts if there is different info in the 
duplicates or at least get rid of those pesky duplicates?
/Krister

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Re: Twitterrific returns to the Mac as a modern Twitter client w/ themes, muffle syncing, more

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
The only gripe i have about Twitterrific for the Mac is that it seems you can’t 
muffle/mute tweets on the Mac, only on iOs. Is this right or is there something 
i am missing? There are some highly annoying tweets i want to mute.
/Krister


> 15 okt. 2017 kl. 01:22 skrev Alex Hall :
> 
> Having happily backed this project, and having used the betas since backers 
> got them months ago, here are the differences I see.
> 
> * If you use Twitterrific for iOS, position syncing via iCloud works nearly 
> perfectly. Tweet Marker has never worked once for me.
> 
> * Night Owl shows only short links in tweets, but Twitterrific shows real 
> URLs, so you know what you're clicking.
> 
> * Press enter on a tweet with an image or video attached to open the media. 
> Videos play, while, with 10.13, you can use vo-shift-l to get a description 
> of the image. The app also recognizes image captions the tweet author adds.
> 
> * DMs are threaded, meaning no more scanning through tons of messages with 
> one person to find a message from someone else.
> 
> * The company has shown dedication to accessibility through Twitterrific on 
> iOS, and through making this new app accessible from the start. VO support 
> was even a stated goal on their initial list when the project was released on 
> Kickstarter.
> 
> * Quoted tweets are supported. You can read them, as well as write them.
> 
> * The company is active on Twitter and through email, taking questions and 
> suggestions.
> 
> * Muffle syncing means anything you mute on iOS or macOS syncs to the other 
> platform automatically.
> 
> * The auto-complete feature for usernames actually works, whereas on Night 
> Owl it either doesn't work or freezes everything.
> 
> * More I'm forgetting.
> 
> The things Night Owl has over Twitterrific that I can think of:
> 
> * Built-in support for read later services. On Twitterrific, you have to open 
> a link and use your browser to save the page, rather than just a keystroke 
> like in Night Owl.
> 
> * You can't create saved searches in Twitterrific, though the company says 
> that feature is coming soon.
> 
> * Again, I'm probably forgetting some.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 18:10, Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all, very exciting about this, but can anyone let me know what the 
>> benefit is to using this app over Night Owl which I currently use? Debating 
>> the $20 is worth it. Thanks
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:23 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, have just purchased this app, love the iOS client so will love this.,
>>> 
 On 10 Oct 2017, at 16:53, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
 Good news for Twitterrific lovers.
 
 Twitterrific returns to the Mac as a modern Twitter client w/ themes, 
 muffle syncing, more
 9to5Mac  /  Zac Hall
 
 
 The Iconfactory has officially launched Twitterrific 5 for Mac after a 
 successful Kickstarter campaign for Project Phoenix earlier this year. 
 Twitterrific for macOS is a totally new version of the Twitter client with 
 a modern design that includes a dark theme, visual customization, 
 muffle/mute/timeline syncing to the iOS app, and more.
 
 
 Twitterrific for Mac has been effectively dead for the last few years as 
 the market shifted to iOS where Twitterrific 5 has experimented with 
 in-app purchases to remove ads and unlock features.
 
 With Project Phoenix, however, The Iconfactory used crowdfunding to ensure 
 demand for a modern Mac client before devoting months of development work 
 to the project. Ultimately, the Kickstarter campaign received $108,346 
 from 2,852 backers.
 
 For users of Twitterrific for iOS, this launch means there’s finally a 
 modern version of their favorite Twitter client for the desktop again. But 
 even if you’re not yet a Twitterrific user, the interest in the new app 
 existing is both good news for the Mac as a platform as well as the Mac 
 Twitter client competition (which Twitter tries to prevent without 
 maintaining its own app well).
 
 Twitterrific lets you choose between two themes (light and dark), a 
 handful of fonts including Menlo (shown below), nine text sizes ranging 
 from Tiny to CHOCK, and three media thumbnail options.
 
 
 
 Changing between light and dark theme also changes the window color for 
 menus even if you’re not using the basic ‘Use dark menu bar and Dock’ 
 preference which is a nice touch, and media opens in a whimsical and fluid 
 popover with share options and even playback controls for video included.
 
 Twiterrific also includes VoiceOver support for navigating the timeline, 
 composing tweets, and the option to add 

Help, my system won't allow me to check a check box

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi good people.
I’m having a bit of an issue here, you see i’m trying to check the box in VO 
utilities that says ”allow voiceover to be commanded by apple script” or 
something to that effect. Now i need a password to check this box and it is 
fine, i type in the correct password and the computer thinks a while and then 
comes back with the checkbox still unchecked. I know i type the correct 
password for my account so i don’t know what’s wrong.
Anyone seen similar behaviour?
/Krister

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Re: Twitterrific returns to the Mac as a modern Twitter client w/ themes, muffle syncing, more

[Krister Ekstrom]

Yeah, it’s a good client. Only gripe i have so far is that you can’t seem to 
filter out unwanted tweets, but hey that may even be in the pipeline for all i 
know.
/Krister


> 10 okt. 2017 kl. 18:41 skrev Jürgen Fleger :
> 
> Hey Mary, what a good news. Works fabulously. This news made my day. Thanks. 
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 10.10.2017 um 17:53 schrieb Mary Otten > >:
>> 
>> Good news for Twitterrific lovers.
>> 
>> Twitterrific returns to the Mac as a modern Twitter client w/ themes, muffle 
>> syncing, more
>> 9to5Mac  /  Zac Hall
>> 
>>  
>> The Iconfactory has officially launched Twitterrific 5 for Mac 
>> 
>>  after a successful 
>> 
>>  Kickstarter campaign for Project Phoenix 
>> 
>>  earlier this year. Twitterrific for macOS is a totally new version of the 
>> Twitter client with a modern design that includes a dark theme, visual 
>> customization, muffle/mute/timeline syncing to the iOS app, and more.
>> 
>> 
>> Twitterrific for Mac has been effectively dead 
>>  
>> for the last few years as the market shifted to iOS where Twitterrific 5 has 
>> experimented with in-app purchases to remove ads and unlock features.
>> 
>> With Project Phoenix, however, The Iconfactory used crowdfunding to ensure 
>> demand for a modern Mac client before devoting months of development work to 
>> the project. Ultimately, the Kickstarter campaign 
>> 
>>  received $108,346 from 2,852 backers.
>> 
>> For users of Twitterrific for iOS 
>> ,
>>  this launch means there’s finally a modern version of their favorite 
>> Twitter client for the desktop again. But even if you’re not yet a 
>> Twitterrific user, the interest in the new app existing is both good news 
>> for the Mac as a platform as well as the Mac Twitter client competition 
>> (which Twitter tries to prevent without maintaining its own app well).
>> 
>> Twitterrific lets you choose between two themes (light and dark), a handful 
>> of fonts including Menlo (shown below), nine text sizes ranging from Tiny to 
>> CHOCK , and 
>> three media thumbnail options.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Changing between light and dark theme also changes the window color for 
>> menus even if you’re not using the basic ‘Use dark menu bar and Dock’ 
>> preference which is a nice touch, and media opens in a whimsical and fluid 
>> popover with share options and even playback controls for video included.
>> 
>> Twiterrific also includes VoiceOver support for navigating the timeline, 
>> composing tweets, and the option to add a text description to images as a 
>> fantastic accessibility feature.
>> 
>> And like the iOS version, Twitterrific 5 for macOS lets you quickly fix typo 
>> tweets with an edit workaround that actually deletes the typo tweet and 
>> replaces it with your edited version without manually copying and pasting 
>> the tweet.
>> 
>> 
>> Here’s the full feature list for Twitterrific 5.0 for macOS:
>> 
>>  Simple to use, easy to understand
>>  True multi-account/multi-window support
>>  View mentions, messages, and favorites quickly and easily
>>  Timeline syncing of reading position across all platforms via iCloud
>>  System-wide alerts for mentions & direct messages via Notification Center
>>  Fully accessible via VoiceOver
>> Support for Retweet (RT) & Quoted tweets
>> Quick access to Emoji when composing new tweets
>>  Autocompletion of usernames & hashtags while editing tweets
>> View Twitter saved searches and lists
>> Check out global and local trending topics
>> Browse conversation threads between users
>> Support for tweet storms & chained tweet threads
>> Quickly Delete & Edit your own tweets
>> Translate tweets to your native language
>> Helpful color-coding of tweet types
>> In-app media viewing for images, animated GIFs, Instagram & more
>> Share a tweet with actions for email, Messages, Safari Reading List & more
>> Muffles & mutes synced from Twitterrific for iOS via iCloud
>> Robust in-app media viewer with detachable popovers
>> Customize the appearance of media in the timeline or hide it completely
>> View user profiles including past tweets, likes & mentions
>> Follow and unfollow other users directly from their user profile
>> Block and report spammers with a single click
>> Theme control (light or dark)
>> Font size & type face control
>> Robust keyboard 

Re: External hard drive formating problem

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
That didn’t work at all. What worked though was erasing the whole disk not the 
volume. Now everything is as it should.
/Krister


> 6 okt. 2017 kl. 23:33 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> Try partitioning the drive rather than just eraising it.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 8:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> Subject: External hard drive formating problem
> 
> Hi,
> Sorry for cross posting but i need help with this strange problem.
> I bought a 6 Tb hard drive and got it yesterday.
> Upon connecting it to my iMac i noticed that the disk was formatted in NTFS, 
> which is a no go if you want the mac to be able to write to it so i thought i 
> would reformat it to a file system readable by the Mac.
> I went into disk utility where i clicked on ”erase” which is the Macs name 
> for format. When all was said and done with deciding what format to have and 
> so on i clicked ”erase” and got this message: ”Action failed. Media kit 
> reports there is not enough space to perform this action. Action failed.” 
> This is a very rough translation from Swedish.
> The disk has 6 unused terrabytes on it and Media kit claims there’s not 
> enough space? WTF? 
> So now i’m stuck with a hard disk that can’t be read because if you try 
> connecting the drive i get this: ”The computer is unable to read the drive, 
> please format” and a button that points to the disk utility which can’t 
> format because there’s ”not enough space to perform this action”.
> What to do next?
> /Krister
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Hard disk formatting problem solved

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi there.
The problem with the hard drive that i couldn’t format due to lack of free 
space is now solved. 
Turned out i formatted or tried to format a partition not the disk itself and 
that didn’t work. Now i have done it the right way and it works.
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External hard drive formating problem

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Sorry for cross posting but i need help with this strange problem.
I bought a 6 Tb hard drive and got it yesterday.
Upon connecting it to my iMac i noticed that the disk was formatted in NTFS, 
which is a no go if you want the mac to be able to write to it so i thought i 
would reformat it to a file system readable by the Mac.
I went into disk utility where i clicked on ”erase” which is the Macs name for 
format. When all was said and done with deciding what format to have and so on 
i clicked ”erase” and got this message: ”Action failed. Media kit reports there 
is not enough space to perform this action. Action failed.” This is a very 
rough translation from Swedish.
The disk has 6 unused terrabytes on it and Media kit claims there’s not enough 
space? WTF? 
So now i’m stuck with a hard disk that can’t be read because if you try 
connecting the drive i get this: ”The computer is unable to read the drive, 
please format” and a button that points to the disk utility which can’t format 
because there’s ”not enough space to perform this action”.
What to do next?
/Krister

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Re: watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Either i have misunderstood something obvious and simple or there’s something 
wrong with my Apple watch series 2 because the time travel thing has never 
worked for me.
/Krister

> 27 sep. 2017 kl. 06:03 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> 9to5Mac - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 8:51 AM
> watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch
> 
> watchOS 4 introduces a new Siri watch face on Apple Watch that intelligently
> updates to show you relevant content throughout the day. The Siri watch face
> pulls data from 14 different sources by default, but customizing these
> sources can help remove information from the timeline that you don't need
> and make the watch face more useful.
> 
> The Siri watch face includes a digital clock with a flashing second
> indicator (but no option for seconds), two customizable complications
> including a new Siri complication, and two dynamic tiles of information.
> These tiles will update depending on time of day, date, current events,
> activity progress, and more.
> Like other watch faces, swiping down from the top reveals Notification
> Center and swiping up from the bottom opens Control Center. Spin the Digital
> Crown on Siri face, however, and the timeline becomes a vertical carousel of
> information.
> Rotating the Digital Crown downward shows Recent and All-Day tiles like
> temperature highs and lows and Now Playing cards. The tap minimizes to the
> top right corner with a light background indicating that it's a button you
> can tap to return to the main view. You can also click the Digital Crown to
> leave the timeline and go back to the starting point.
> Rotating the Digital Crown upward shows you tiles for Up Next and Tomorrow.
> Siri face previews the first Up Next tiles by default, and scrolling here
> reveals more. Rolling the Digital Crown lets you move around the timeline
> too.
> 
> While these tiles change dynamically, Siri face features two complications
> that you set. My default, the new Siri complication is located in the top
> left (this is the only face with this complication) and the date is located
> above the digital clock.
> Tapping the Siri complication invokes the voice assistant just like holding
> the Digital Crown or saying 'Hey Siri' when the display is on. It's a
> visually satisfying complication, but you may get more use out of Siri face
> if you put something else here since you can invoke Siri with voice or a
> click.
> 
> Press the Siri face firmly, then select Customize to choose between
> Activity, Alarm, Battery, Breathe, Calendar, Date, Find My Friends, Heart
> Rate, Home, Mail, Maps, Messages, Moon Phase, Music, News, Phone, Reminders,
> Remote, Siri, Stocks, Stopwatch, Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, Weather
> Conditions, Workout, World Clock, and third-party complications.
> The top right complication is a bit smaller and can be set to Alarm,
> Battery, Calendar, Date, Heart Rate, News, Stocks, Stopwatch,
> Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, World Clock, and third-party complications.
> 
> After you personalize the two complications, consider customizing which data
> sources Siri face uses. You can't do this from the Apple Watch, however, so
> you'll need your iPhone. Open the Watch app on your iPhone, look for the
> Siri face in the My Faces section (or add it from the Face Gallery tab at
> the bottom), then tap the Siri face to reveal customization options.
> From here you can set both complications just like on the Apple Watch, and a
> Data Sources list lets you toggle apps that appear on Siri face on and off.
> watchOS 4.0 includes 14 data sources: Alarms, Breathe, Calendar, Home, News,
> Now Playing, Photos, Reminders, Stocks, Stopwatch, Timer, Wallet, Weather,
> and Workout.
> You can't use third-party apps as data sources (yet), but you can disable
> data sources that aren't useful for you and declutter the Siri face
> timeline. For example, I toggle off Photos, News, and Stocks to avoid seeing
> poorly chosen snapshots, the latest Trump headline, and stock market changes
> on my Siri face.
> This cleans up the experience for me and only surfaces useful tiles like
> HomeKit scene triggers, exercise recommendations, and upcoming Wallet
> passes.
> My 'Good morning' scene is displayed when I wake up, and the 'Good night'
> scene is shown in the evening. Tapping these launches the Home app and shows
> the specific scene in the list, then tapping the scene activates it (which
> turns my lights off, locks the front door, etc.).
> 
> Siri face is a great exercise coach, too, as it will recommend the exact
> amount of walking you should do to complete your Move goal at the end of the
> day. Siri face also shows the Now Playing card for music and podcasts played
> on the iPhone (or music on the watch), upcoming alarms and reminders appear
> in the timeline as well as calendar events, and Wallet passes are surfaced
> to the top when needed just like the lock screen on the iPhone.
> You'll also see 

Re: Copying text from one Apple device to another

[Krister Ekstrom]

That function has never worked for me. I don’t know what i do wrong, but the 
universal clipboard has never worked.
/Krister


> 15 sep. 2017 kl. 13:59 skrev Michael Busboom :
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I recently needed to copy a moderately long text from my MacBook Pro to my 
> iPhone.  I listened to David Woodbridge’s podcast on this subject, and it 
> seemed straightforward enough..
> 
> In my case, I selected the text I wanted to copy, and then copied it to the 
> clipboard of my MacBook pro.  Then, on my iPhone, I went into the app where I 
> wanted to insert the text.  I went into the edit menu, tried pasting the 
> information with the Paste option.  Unfortunately, all that happened was that 
> the iPhone pasted in the text that was still in its clipboard from something 
> I had written earlier.  Do I somehow need to flush the iPhone clipboard 
> before I will be allowed to paste in information from a different device?  Do 
> I need to turn on bluetooth for this feature to work?
> 
> Thanks so much in advance,
> 
> Mike
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Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[Krister Ekstrom]

Don’t worry Simon, it’s like this here in Sweden too, which is about the only 
actual gripe i have about apple products. The features find their way here, 
only it takes a couple of forevers for the feature to actually find their way 
here. How long was it since ApplePay started again? It’s coming to Sweden this 
fall.


> /Krister

> 13 sep. 2017 kl. 14:14 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> Ray,
>  
> One thing I do agree with ii that when it come to apple products we can be 
> 99% sure that it will work with voiceover out of the box,
>  
> The only reason I say 99% is that  gotta give a 1% chance of something not 
> working, but lets face it, everything apple works without issue for us,
>  
> Including the home pods and I’m sure the Series 3 watch with LTE which isn’t 
> going to be available in new zeaad for a while, the gps only model is already 
> advertised,
>  
> Why can’t this country I live in come in to the real world with everyone else.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 9:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>  
> I’m backing my friend Krister on this point.  Frankly, I am getting just 
> plain sick and tired of al these blind people whining that something is going 
> to suck or not be usable even before we know all the details of how it works. 
>  Talk about a drain on one’s energy.
>  
>  
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray 
>  
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com 
> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote:
>  
> Why do blind people always have to invent worst case scenarios even when the 
> phone hasn’t come out yet? Ok, ok before you say anything i was also doubtful 
> for many years, wondering how Apple would solve this or that, turned out they 
> did and did it good at that.
> At tha risk of getting flamed, but hell i’ve been that before and survived, 
> one thing the apple user base could learn from the Android one is to show 
> some appreciation for what is being done. Every time Talkback comes out, even 
> if its features are virtually useless for some, they get praise, but every 
> time Voiceover comes out the negative always outways the positive and it 
> lasts for months on end. Is Voiceover really *that* bad or am i stupid and 
> unintelligent, and if it sucks so hard, why is it that after eight months in 
> Android land i left probably not to return again and went back to iOs?
> /Krister
>  
> 
> 
> 13 sep. 2017 kl. 08:03 skrev 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>  
> Also without a home button I wonder how we'll start/stop VO, use the
> app switcher and get to home.  Probably using the app switcher and
> going home could be done with gestures but what about
> starting/quitting VO...?
> 
> Catherine
> 
> On 9/13/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Interesting,
> 
> Samsung have a full screen no buttons face recognition and a finger print
> sensor.
> 
> Why can’t apple do that also.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 3:40 PM
> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org <mailto:macvoiceo...@freelists.org>; 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>;
> viph...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
> 
> 
> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
> Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo
> 
> [Image removed by sender.]
> Enlarge<https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg 
> <https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg>> /
> This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.
> 
> The all-new iPhone
> X<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/
>  
> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/>>
> is out, and it's packed with t

Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[Krister Ekstrom]

Why do blind people always have to invent worst case scenarios even when the 
phone hasn’t come out yet? Ok, ok before you say anything i was also doubtful 
for many years, wondering how Apple would solve this or that, turned out they 
did and did it good at that.
At tha risk of getting flamed, but hell i’ve been that before and survived, one 
thing the apple user base could learn from the Android one is to show some 
appreciation for what is being done. Every time Talkback comes out, even if its 
features are virtually useless for some, they get praise, but every time 
Voiceover comes out the negative always outways the positive and it lasts for 
months on end. Is Voiceover really *that* bad or am i stupid and unintelligent, 
and if it sucks so hard, why is it that after eight months in Android land i 
left probably not to return again and went back to iOs?
/Krister


> 13 sep. 2017 kl. 08:03 skrev 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Also without a home button I wonder how we'll start/stop VO, use the
> app switcher and get to home.  Probably using the app switcher and
> going home could be done with gestures but what about
> starting/quitting VO...?
> 
> Catherine
> 
> On 9/13/17, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>> Interesting,
>> 
>> Samsung have a full screen no buttons face recognition and a finger print
>> sensor.
>> 
>> Why can’t apple do that also.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 3:40 PM
>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com;
>> viph...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>> 
>> 
>> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>> Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo
>> 
>> [Image removed by sender.]
>> Enlarge> > /
>> This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.
>> 
>> The all-new iPhone
>> X>  
>> >
>> is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed with
>> is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for a
>> nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front Touch
>> ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like many
>> phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely. Instead,
>> the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature for
>> biometric security.
>> Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts your
>> face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple
>> says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone.
>> 
>> None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck.
>> 
>> This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition feature,
>> and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or accurate
>> Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your face.
>> This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint reader,
>> which doesn't have to be aimed at anything.
>> 
>> Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good, you'll
>> stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands on
>> the fingerprint reader. Touch ID works as both an "on" button and an
>> "authentication" button. In one touch, you've turned on the phone and logged
>> in. You haven't even fully taken the phone out of your pocket yet, and it's
>> already on and unlocked. By the time you bring the phone to your face, the
>> unlock process is finished and you're looking at the home screen.
>> 
>> To use the iPhone X's Face ID, you have take the phone out of your pocket,
>> lift it up to your face, swipe up to turn it on, and only then can can you
>> start the unlock process. The difference is probably one or two seconds, but
>> for something you do 80 times a
>> day> >,
>> having the fastest possible unlock system really matters.
>> [Image removed by sender.]
>> Hardware involved in Apple's True Depth Camera system.
>> [Image removed by sender.]
>> Example of how Face ID maps and learns your face.
>> [Image removed by sender.]
>> Demo of Face ID setup.
>> [Image removed by sender.]
>> Animojis, which move to mimic your facial expressions.
>> [Image removed by sender.]
>> 3D mask produced with facial recognition on the iPhone X.
>> [Image removed by sender.]
>> Face 

Crossposted: Issue with installing FLogic and VOCR solved

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi good people and sorry for the cross posting, but i thought i’d say this so 
everyone on the lists where i posted my question can hear it.
The issue with installing FLogic and VOCR macros are now solved. It turned out 
to be a both easy and not obvious thing. I had had the check box for letting VO 
be controled by Apple script enabled all the time and could not fathom why the 
macros didn’t install. Turned out that i had to uncheck and then check the box 
for allowing VO to be controled by Apple script again because the Mac i’m 
working at hadn’t accepted, for lack of a better word, the setting. So if you 
have enabled the check box for allowing Voiceover to be controled by apple 
scripts on a Mac you’ve owned earlier and then change machines but keep the VO 
settings, make certain you uncheck and then check the box for allowing VO to be 
controled by Apple scripts again. Upon this you will get a prompt for your 
account password, fill it in and ok the dialog and you should be good to go.
Thanks all for the help in this matter.
/Krister

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Re: vpn services

[Krister Ekstrom]

I wonder if it would be hard to set up a OSX server, seeing as i’ve never done 
that before, except i tried setting up a mail server in Linux once and it was … 
geeky to say the least. I never got the hang of that. Guess i’m a GUI guy.
/Krister


> 28 aug. 2017 kl. 16:15 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> MacOS Server is an app available in the MacApp Store.  In Canada, it's $20, 
> or $19.99 to be exact.  Not sure how much it is for you folks over across the 
> Atlantic, but it shouldn't be much more comparatively.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 05:35, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> A question from me.
> How much does it cost?
>  If its that easy i might use my Pi for something else.
> /A 
> 
>> 26 aug. 2017 kl. 05:55 skrev Tim Kilburn > >:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> Yes, it's simply a tunnel so as long as you enter the proper credentials, it 
>> shouldn't matter whether you're dealing with Mac or Windows.
>> 
>> Yes, I'm out of the fire zone this year.  Nothing left to burn around us :). 
>>  There have been some smaller fires within 70 to 80 kilometres but not 
>> really any big concerns to many of us.  The worst of it all is in British 
>> Columbia, just on the other side of the Rockies from us.  My Dad lives close 
>> to a rather aggressive one that ignited a couple of days ago, but so far 
>> he's not worried.  Lots of smoke and often difficult to see particularly 
>> far, and rough for folks with respiratory ailments.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any issues trying to set things up.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 20:00, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> And the fact I’m going to be connecting to windows servers and workstations 
>> via this connection shouldn’t be an issue?
>>  
>> I do already have sierra server on one of my minis.
>>  
>> I’ll have a look and see what happens.
>>  
>> Thanks Tim,
>>  
>> I take it your out of the fire zone this time?
>>  
>> Sounds pretty bad over there in Canada currently.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 August 2017 11:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: vpn services
>>  
>> Simon,
>>  
>> I would suggest you use, and do use myself already, MacOS X Server.  Since 
>> you already have Minis, you would just need the Server app, available from 
>> the App Store.  The VPN service is easily configurable.
>>  
>> Later...
>>  
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>>  
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 16:54, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Scott and anyone else with thoughts on this.
>>  
>> I’m looking for a VPN service either existing that I can use to connect from 
>> my mac book air or iPad / iPhone to my home systems which consist of a 
>> couple of mac minis and windows servers 2012R2 and others.
>>  
>> I just want something to connect from the remote device to the home end and 
>> then rdp into what I need at the time to access.
>> I’m not sure free is the best option but thoughts greatfully appreciated.
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Strange happenings when trying to install VOCR

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello and sorry for the cross posting to many lists, so those who have seen 
this before don’t need to read it again.
I’m trying to install the VOCR macros and have encountered a very odd problem 
here.
I’m running the ”import VOCR macros” application and nothing at all happens. I 
have done what was suggested by running the ”install.command” file and all 
seemed to go well. Then i tried to import the macros and when i open the 
application for doing that, nothing happens, no indication that something bad 
has occurred but no alert that a script or more have been imported to Keyboard 
maestro either, only nada nothing happens. What obvious thing am i missing?
/Krister

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Which audio book player to use?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi good people.
When i used Android a short while there was an app called ”smart audio book 
player” that looked very nice and promising. I wonder what is the best audio 
book player for iOs that can be used with audio books in .mp3 format and that 
can be used even outside the US? The reason for the last question is that i 
live in Sweden and i don’t think we can use apps like Bard Mobile there.
/Krister

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Re: One mistake people make using public WiFi, USA Today

[Krister Ekstrom]

The problem with that approach at least here in Sweden is that as far as i 
know, and i could be wrong here, there’s no telco in Sweden offering unlimited 
data plans. They typically rather offer free calls and sms/mms within Sweden.
/Krister


> 19 aug. 2017 kl. 21:00 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Or, better still, with an unlimited data plan from your telco you can
> just skip the wifi and stay with your telco.
> 
> I've been doing this at conferences I attend. I have a lot less trouble
> than my colleagues who are struggling with conference wifi and its
> vagaries.
> 
> Janina
> 
> M. Taylor writes:
>> One mistake people make using public Wi-Fi Kim Komando , Special for USA
>> TODAY 
>> Modern Greyhound buses offer free WiFi, a feature the company hopes will
>> attract younger travelers. (Photo: Greyhound) If I've said it once, I've
>> said it a thousand times: Avoid doing anything you would not want anyone in
>> the world to know on public Wi-Fi. You may think you're safe in that busy
>> café or big-name hotel, but public Wi-Fi is a major liability. It doesn't
>> matter how safe the connection seems to be; your computer is vulnerable to
>> hackers because you have no idea who is really in charge of that router or
>> who has access to it and all the data that passes through it. Knowledge is
>> power. Learn how crooks attack your computer on public Wi-Fi. There are lots
>> of ways to protect yourself, of course. Your best defense is a virtual
>> private network (VPN), which can prevent nosy strangers from snooping on
>> your browser. You can also employ the usual firewalls and antivirus software
>> to defend your computer from hackers and malware. Learn more about VPNs and
>> safe browsing on public WiFi. Even the best security systems have their
>> weaknesses, and you have likely never heard of this one: File sharing on a
>> public network can expose your computer to data thieves. This is a scary
>> problem because you may not even realize that you're sharing files. But if
>> your computer is on the wrong setting, you may attract any number of
>> cyber-criminals. So how do you make sure your computer isn't leaking
>> information by accident? File sharing is very handy, especially for groups
>> of people. Whether you're using iCloud, Dropbox, or Google Drive, file
>> sharing allows a large team to work on a single project at once, or families
>> to browse digital photo albums, or data specialists to organize large
>> batches of information. This is very convenient, as long as you're on your
>> own secure network. But if you're sharing files on public Wi-Fi, your
>> folders may be accessible to anyone connected to the same public network. In
>> other words, file sharing automatically exposes your computer and everything
>> you intend to share. Your vacation photos may end up in the wrong hands, and
>> so could your contracts, spreadsheets, and tax information. In fact, you
>> don't have to be a hacker to take advantage of shared folders. Anyone who
>> looks around their network folders can instantly run a search and find
>> unguarded files. It works the other way around too. An attacker can also set
>> up a shared folder with malicious files. You may stumble into the mysterious
>> folder and think, "Wait a minute, where did this come from? Then you click
>> on it, releasing the malware onto the desktop. There are other ways you can
>> get into trouble. Learn how to avoid getting hacked on the road. Want to
>> ensure your privacy? Make sure to turn off file sharing before you connect
>> to public WiFi. Here's how to do it: 1. Search for "Control Panel" then
>> click on the best match to open it. 2. Under "Network and Internet," click
>> on "View network status and tasks. 3. On the next page, click "Change
>> advanced sharing settings. 4. Under "File and printer sharing," tick off
>> "Turn off file and printer sharing. 5. To prevent network snoopers from
>> seeing your computer, tick off "Turn off network discovery" too. 6. Save
>> changes. 1. Open your Mac's System Preferences (the gear icon on your dock).
>> 2. Click on the "Sharing" icon. 3. On the next "Sharing Page," uncheck File
>> Sharing. 4. I also recommend that you uncheck all the other sharing services
>> here when connecting to public Wi-Fi. 5. Close the window and you're set.
>> Okay, you're done your business, and now you can log off of public Wi-Fi.
>> You've taken all the necessary precautions, and there's a good chance none
>> of your information was compromised. Just remember to switch your file
>> sharing back on when you get back to your home or office. None of these
>> services will work unless you restore your regular settings. When you're
>> back on your secure server, you can continue sharing to your heart's
>> content. How else can you protect yourself from digital intrusion? Be sure
>> to listen or download my podcasts, or click here to find it on your local
>> radio station . 

Re: Quick updates on Money Reader and LookTel Recognizer

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Have you considered going international? The reason i wonder is that just of 
late, the money have changed shape here in Sweden. Before the notes were in 
different sizes so it was easy to tell the difference between the different 
valued notes, or how you say it. Now however all notes are practically the same 
size so it’s quite tricky to recognize money here too.
/Krister


> 14 aug. 2017 kl. 00:32 skrev Cara Quinn :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just want to send along a quick note to let you know that both Money Reader 
> and Recognizer are receiving attention right now.
> 
> We hope to have Recognizer updated in time for the iOS 11 release so there 
> will be no interruptions for customers using it. This will depend on the 
> amount of work involved and the resources available.
> 
> Thanks so much to all of you who are using these apps. I will share more when 
> I know more.
> 
> If you have any questions, please send me a note at either c...@looktel.com 
> or caraqu...@caraquinn.com.
> 
> Have a terrific rest of your day / weekend!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[Krister Ekstrom]

Don’t hold your breath, Anders, i don’t think so myself.
/Krister


> 17 juli 2017 kl. 23:16 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> Do you guys think this will come to smaller countries such as Sweden?
> Thanks.
> /A
>> 16 juli 2017 kl. 14:51 skrev Jeff Berwick > >:
>> 
>> I have to admit, Microsoft did an amazing job on this product.  It is 
>> encouraging to think of the possibilities going forward.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks.  I was so blown away by the performance I didn’t explore further.  
>>> I thought I’d try it on my mail and was just amazed by how quickly it read. 
>>>  I blew through the intro without paying much attention, so it didn’t occur 
>>> to me there would be a mode for document scanning.  I’ll have to play with 
>>> it.  There may not be a reason for me to bother with KNFB going forward.  
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Ryan Mann > wrote:
 
 You can actually save it if you use the document channel instead of short 
 text.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. > wrote:
 
> It is awesome for quick reading.  If you don’t need to save the text, it 
> walks all over KNFB.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:44 PM, David & his pack of dogs 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> They must work on its accuracy.  It had me 18 years older then I really 
>> am and my wife 6 years older.  I am listed as a 76 years young man with 
>> grey hair and a beard.  I’m greying at the temples but, only 58 years 
>> young.  It is still a good app, though.  Just question its accuracy in 
>> facial recognition.  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: July 15, 2017 1:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from 
>> the description in the Canada Store.
>>  
>> Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for 
>> the blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project 
>> harnesses the power of AI to open up the visual world and describe 
>> nearby people, text, and objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the 
>> app enables you to recognize:  •  Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it 
>> appears in front of the camera.  • Documents - Provides 
>> audio guidance to capture a printed page, and recognizes the text, along 
>> with its original formatting.  • Products - Scans barcodes, using audio 
>> beeps to guide you; hear the name, and package information when 
>> available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) •   People - Saves 
>> people’s faces so you can recognize them, and get an estimate of their 
>> age, gender, and emotions.  •   Scenes (early preview) - Hear an 
>> overall description of the scene captured.  •  Images in other apps - 
>> Just tap “Share” and “Recognize with Seeing AI” to describe images from 
>> Mail, Photos, Twitter, and more.  Seeing AI is built to help you achieve 
>> more by leveraging the power of the cloud and artificial intelligence. 
>> As the research progresses, more channels may be added.  Visit 
>> http://SeeingAI.com  for more details and 
>> instructional videos.  Available in the U.S., Canada, India, Hong Kong, 
>> New Zealand, Singapore. Coming soon to more countries.  Languages 
>> supported – English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 5S and later; best 
>> performance with iPhone 6S and later models. Questions, feedback or 
>> feature requests? Email us at seeingai @ microsoft.com 
>> .
>>  
>> Later...
>>  
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>>  
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>>  
>> I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put 
>> in to get it.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being 
>>> married to me has aged 

Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Krister Ekstrom]

There’s always the keyboard commander.
/Krister

> 1 juli 2017 kl. 12:28 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> Actually love the new shortcut. I do however see how it is a problem to 
> somebody. with one hand or other difficulties.
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2017, at 7:19 pm, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cait. Actually, anyone that has Sierra installed will be able to run High 
>> Sierra. That includes mid 2010 Macs like mine. And as for the extra key, 
>> they did this so that accessing the navigation rotor is easier for people. 
>> But I do understand that it may be an inconvenience for some people.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Caitlyn Furness >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo 
>>> options!
>>> 
>>> and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to 
>>> handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy 
>>> bank..
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr > wrote:
 
 At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in 
 mind, however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle 
 any form of Sera, I had to wing it.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you 
>> actually do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away 
>>> VO plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., 
>>> speech rate, volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
>>> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only 
>>> stuff like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, 
>>> navigation, etc.)
>>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options 
>>> available when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to 
>>> now use Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went 
>>> into VO help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Krister Ekstrom]

Anders, have you hear d the new swedish siri voice? I thought it was quite 
nice. Wonder if you can only use it with Siri.
One bug i noticed in earlier iOs versions has apparently been fixed, you can 
now add posts to calendar using Siri. I’m not quite sure what i like or don’t 
like about the app store.
I think there will always be a limited amount of swedish voices. There are 
gazillions of english voices fro everywhere but only two or three swedish ones, 
that’s the way of the world alas.
/Krister

> 28 juni 2017 kl. 18:33 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> A bit of a lag is there but it is so small i don’t find it irritating.
> But this is on an Iphone Se.
> SO far Ios 11 does not impress me.
> SOme new things in the control center makes it more usable ofcourse but i 
> thought they should add more voices to swedish but sadly not.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 12:01 skrev Simon Fogarty > >:
>> 
>> Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!
>>  
>> My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three 
>> fingers,
>> I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just 
>> a first release issue.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 1:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>  
>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
>> the beta though installing it early this morning.
>>  
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
>> would be 
>> DON”T!
>>  
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
>> normal,
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
>> closing the app and then reopening it.
>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
>> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
>> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>  
>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Krister Ekstrom]

But is the GUI now accessible or is it just the geeky command line stuff that 
is?
/Krister

> 10 juni 2017 kl. 04:46 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has 
> a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point 
> and click and use the GUI.
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
>>> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
>>> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
>>> windows and no other systems to select from.
>>> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
>>> Can this be done without sight?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Krister Ekstrom]

This is intreaguing, you say that to charge the airpods you put them in their 
case, how do you then charge the case itself? I guess it has some kind of port 
thing. Could you charge the airpods and the case at the same time?
/Krister

> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:24 skrev Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com>:
> 
> I would say that would depend on how you want to use them.  I want to use 
> them for work outs, for walking, for using my phone at night while my 
> husband's asleep, stuff like that.  I think they're supposed to give you like 
> 5 hours?  For my purposes, that's plenty of time.  And remember, all you have 
> to do to charge them is put them back in the case.  So if you use them for a 
> while, then stop, they'll charge while you aren't using them.  But I like the 
> sound a lot, and find them very comfortable to wear.  Even my husband, who's 
> a cheap-skate and a skeptic, has decided after trying mine, that he's going 
> to go buy himself a pair.
> 
> Like I said, everyone's usage and preferences are different.  You might want 
> to do what my husband did, and find someone who will let you try theirs 
> first.  But I'm very happy with them.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time 
>> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if 
>> they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them 
>> after all.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com>:
>>> 
>>> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
>>> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
>>> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
>>> the HomePods.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time which 
isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if they are 
comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them after all.
/Krister

> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
> the HomePods.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Krister Ekstrom]

That was what i was about to write a couple mails ago, many of those digital 
assistants have no or limited functionality outside the US. I’m not certain 
that even Google or Siri for that matter works at their fullest here in Sweden 
and then let’s not even begin to talk Samsungs new Bixby. I wonder when or 
rather if it will ever reach these cold is it latitudes?:-)
/Krister

> 23 apr. 2017 kl. 14:18 skrev David Chittenden :
> 
> Step outside the US, and Alexa falls apart. Unlike Siri and Google, Alexa 
> does not support anything outside it's limited geographical area. This is why 
> it is able to be so much better there, it is limited in scope.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 23/04/2017, at 20:50, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes. Just search for Reverb for Amazon Alexa.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So Sean,
>>> 
>>> This amazon alexa is available through an app for my iPhone?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:47 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital 
>>> assistant game
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott. I'm not Yuma but I can tell you who I think is the better AI. 
>>> After watching demos of the two of them, Alexa still wins hands down. Sure, 
>>> with Google Now, when you ask it questions, you can ask subsequent 
>>> questions about the topic you started with it. Alexa has a hard time with 
>>> that, but she has more smart devices she can connect to than Google. On a 
>>> video I saw, you can rectify the problem by using IFTTT, but that sounds 
>>> like it could be more complicated than it should be. Also, it just sounds 
>>> better to call your virtual assistant by a name rather than Google or 
>>> Amazon, so Alexa wins there too. Lastly, I can use Alexa anywhere I wish, 
>>> on my Mac or on my phone using Reverb and Google doesn't have anything like 
>>> that yet to my knowledge besides Allo, which like I said in my last 
>>> message, only sends messages through text. I'd rather have the app speak 
>>> the messages the assistant sends automatically like Alexa does in Reverb. 
>>> So for me, Alexa takes it.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Wow there’s a lot of great points here.
 
 I’m curious, as someone who’s heavily involved in AI who do you think is 
 the absolute cutting edge right now outside the classified space.  Maybe 
 you could rank a little the major publicly visible efforts like Watson 
 verses Google verses Amazon and such.  Who makes you think wow that’s 
 really impressive?  We know Apple in many ways is behind the times but 
 who’s way ahead?
 
 Also, do you have any published papers or anything I could read of your 
 work you’ve impressed me with your response and I’d like to learn more 
 about where you’re coming from.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
 
> On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:54 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to chime in for a few points:
> 
> Apple is dispersing itself a bit too much. What's next on the line? A 
> Lavazza partnership for a coffee machine? Or maybe some jogging shoes 
> with mag safe laces? Better yet, a Mars lander capsule with an enhanced 
> version of voice over? Wait, the latter is something they should aim for, 
> shoot to mars projects, not attempts at capturing consumer markets 
> outside of what they do best.
> 
> In terms of the A.I, as a daily A.I programmer, I'm not impressed at all. 
> Why does siri forget a name I call all the time when it worked until 
> then? What is the use of asking me the same thing all the time, when siri 
> should know that I know the command better and faster than it can 
> respond? And what about putting some of the phrases together, and assist 
> in performance driven ways, which is the one major reason why I would 
> like an assistant as a blind user? Wait, this bleeds into all users 
> anyway, and google now + alexia are taking cloud based and data centric 
> approaches way higher. To be fair, Apple's frameworks are increasingly 
> better, and the sheer breadth of things you can do with their libraries 
> is the model they have taken, to create an eco system where the user can 
> become one of the earners, and 

Re: wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

[Krister Ekstrom]

Well to tell you the truth, as they say in those old BBC mystery dramas, i 
don’t know really. I’m thinking of putting up a small personal site with some 
static pages, a blog and having it linked to twitter and/or facebook. I don’t 
know really but perhaps a podcast.
/Krister

> 23 apr. 2017 kl. 12:40 skrev Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi,
> Well, it depends on what you want and need as to what’s good.
> 
> what are some things you are wanting to do with your site?
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com 
>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> There are so many plugins to Wordpress that sifting through them all would 
>> probably have my head spinning in no time, so what are good accessible 
>> themes/plugins etc?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 23 apr. 2017 kl. 03:31 skrev Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Well, 
>>> 
>>> I guess you got an answer from Michael. I have heard of other blind people 
>>> maintaining word press, and my brother maintains a word press blog about 
>>> Architecture in Spain. I
>>> I watched with interest on the AIM list about accessible WordPress 
>>> templates, and general work to make word press more accessible, but I am 
>>> not directly involved in it at all.
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 1:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Do you know of any "pod casts" or tutorials out there regarding 
>>>> Maintaining " wordpress sites with VoiceOver?
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't hired that james d as a consultant yet.
>>>> I'm a recording studio that also offers music lessons & gig in the local 
>>>> South Florida area.
>>>> I wanted to do a new site before expanding the music lessons to the net.
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you need to decide on your goals. Nothing about CMS needs to be 
>>>>> associated with facebook unless you want it to. Generally, I think of CMS 
>>>>> as being a master electronic management system it is essential for large 
>>>>> organizations  since they will have multiple people adding to the web 
>>>>> site, and need to force controls like standard look accessibility and 
>>>>> peer review. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you will be the maintaining of most of the imformation, then I suggest 
>>>>> you start simple and expand as necessary. It is better to have a good 
>>>>> structure of a small amount of information then a web site that was 
>>>>> designed for 10,000 pages but only has three with relevant information. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As an owner of copyrighted material that you might be distributing, 
>>>>> having a good store front to find and purchase securely that copyrighted 
>>>>> material might be essential for you. Certainly listen to your consultant, 
>>>>> but your consultant will want to have you paying a regular fee for his 
>>>>> services, this is great if you need regular updates in style and 
>>>>> function, but if you are putting out a electronic business card with 
>>>>> maybe a monthly update on services, then  make sure you aren't spending 
>>>>> too much on the consultant. WordPress has themes out of the box that are 
>>>>> accessible, and I believe they have some kind of badge to indicate what 
>>>>> is accessible. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
>>>>>> I'm lookin

Re: wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

[Krister Ekstrom]

There are so many plugins to Wordpress that sifting through them all would 
probably have my head spinning in no time, so what are good accessible 
themes/plugins etc?
/Krister

> 23 apr. 2017 kl. 03:31 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> Well, 
> 
> I guess you got an answer from Michael. I have heard of other blind people 
> maintaining word press, and my brother maintains a word press blog about 
> Architecture in Spain. I
> I watched with interest on the AIM list about accessible WordPress templates, 
> and general work to make word press more accessible, but I am not directly 
> involved in it at all.
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 1:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> Thanks,
>> Do you know of any "pod casts" or tutorials out there regarding Maintaining 
>> " wordpress sites with VoiceOver?
>> 
>> I haven't hired that james d as a consultant yet.
>> I'm a recording studio that also offers music lessons & gig in the local 
>> South Florida area.
>> I wanted to do a new site before expanding the music lessons to the net.
>> Thanks again
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> Chuck,
>>> 
>>> I think you need to decide on your goals. Nothing about CMS needs to be 
>>> associated with facebook unless you want it to. Generally, I think of CMS 
>>> as being a master electronic management system it is essential for large 
>>> organizations  since they will have multiple people adding to the web site, 
>>> and need to force controls like standard look accessibility and peer 
>>> review. 
>>> 
>>> If you will be the maintaining of most of the imformation, then I suggest 
>>> you start simple and expand as necessary. It is better to have a good 
>>> structure of a small amount of information then a web site that was 
>>> designed for 10,000 pages but only has three with relevant information. 
>>> 
>>> As an owner of copyrighted material that you might be distributing, having 
>>> a good store front to find and purchase securely that copyrighted material 
>>> might be essential for you. Certainly listen to your consultant, but your 
>>> consultant will want to have you paying a regular fee for his services, 
>>> this is great if you need regular updates in style and function, but if you 
>>> are putting out a electronic business card with maybe a monthly update on 
>>> services, then  make sure you aren't spending too much on the consultant. 
>>> WordPress has themes out of the box that are accessible, and I believe they 
>>> have some kind of badge to indicate what is accessible. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
 I'm looking for a solution "APP" that I can do content management with.
 I'm in discussions with a guy  who said he can build me a new Sound 
 Picture Recording site and can put the VoiceOver "tags" in it for 
 accessibility.
 
 I don't use Face book enough to do content management  through it at this 
 point.
 Also is it true that  wordpress offerers a "html template"
 Thanks for some direction on building & content management of a new site.
 Ps whats the most cost effective "hosting"  building solutions out 
 there?
 Thanks
 Chuck
 
 
 
 CHUCK REICHEL
 soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
 www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
 954-742-0019
 GUFFAWING :)
 In GOD I Trust
 
 
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

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> 26 mars 2017 kl. 16:22 skrev Kliphton Miller :
> 
> What is this other group?

It’s the Logic Pro accessibility mailing list that shares their synths and 
documentation and stuff on Dropbox.
/Krister

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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Krister Ekstrom]

I can report that the PCloud service looks quite nice on a Samsung Galaxy S7 
Edge with Android 7.x. Really starting to like this service but wonder whether 
to change completely from Dropbox to PCloud given that i have friends on 
Dropbox whom i don’t know if i can convince to get over to PCloud and another 
mailing list that i’m a member of is sharing their stuff on Dropbox and it’s 
quite large.
/Krister

> 26 mars 2017 kl. 15:30 skrev Kliphton Miller :
> 
> I have heard there is a windows desktop client that downloads to your pc once 
> you are signed up.
>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Ryan Mann > > wrote:
>> 
>> In Windows, can you access the drive from Windows Explorer  once you sign 
>> up?  I can with Dropbox and Google Drive. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for sure 
>>> for windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using windows, to sign 
>>> up with fire fox, then IE will work once your signed up.
 On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 HI Cliffton,
  
 You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for windows or 
 android,
  
 Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
  
 Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
  
 Cheers,
  
  
 Simon F
  
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 Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And 
 instead of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used 
 a service called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  
 You get 10GB free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  
 You get upload and download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent 
 accessible on both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I 
 don’t use it on either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you 
 want to upgrade, and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my 
 referral link.  Sign up with it, and we both get a free GB.
 https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
  
 
  
  
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Re: The Native iOS Maps App Provides Excellent Intersection Announcements, But .

[Krister Ekstrom]

Yes it is. The closest we get is Nearby explorer online, and i don’t think it 
has turn-by-turn instructions and it might not even be available for iOs.
In my not so humble opinion, Sweden is like a third world country when it comes 
to good navigation software and apps for busses and the like. Trains are 
covered quite nicely on the iOs platform but busses, subways and so on 
especially busses outside the three major cities are sadly lacking coverage.
/Krister

> 8 jan. 2017 kl. 18:10 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> Is the nearby explorer app US only?
> /A
>> 7 jan. 2017 kl. 19:34 skrev Mary Otten > >:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> The problem you are describing is one that all of the GPS programs have, 
>> because the point that they are looking at is not the door, but some other 
>> arbitrary point that has been said by the folks to make a Maps. If you have 
>> a program such as nearby explorer, you can set your own point, which would 
>> be the door or whatever you were trying to find. And the "Geo beam" feature 
>> is very helpful here as well. But the first time you go to the store or the 
>> restaurant, of course you won't have set that point. So you would be in the 
>> same fix that you would be in if you were using the regular apple maps. The 
>> nice thing about these programs is the ability to set these favorites, but 
>> of course you have to set them before you can use them.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been considering Blind Square for the past 6 months, but was not 
>>> sure about if accuracy was sufficient. Transit and MoveIt transit services 
>>> work in my area, and generally my Guide Dog gets me to places I have been 
>>> before with little difficulty. However when there is a restaurant I read 
>>> about on yelp, or a specific store I want to visit in a downtown block, I 
>>> find that maps gets me near the street address, but then finding the door 
>>> can be quite an adventure. This is especially true in suburban areas where 
>>> there are large parking lots around an office building. If I got Near By 
>>> Explorer or BlindSquare would I be more likely to find the entrance I want 
>>> without assistance?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 7, 2017, at 1:18 AM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 Apple is using many more sources for map and POI data. I just read through 
 the list.
 
 I have been using Maps primarily for the type of walking you described for 
 a few years now. I also use BlindSquare for the same purpose, but maps is 
 often more accurate.
 
 As for POIs, I submitted a business location / name correction a couple 
 months ago, and Apple accepted the correction within a day. Google Maps 
 allows the same sort of data correction submissions.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 6/01/2017, at 20:32, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello All,   
> 
> I was just experimenting with the native iOS Maps app today and, as many 
> of
> you already know, if one sets the tracking feature to, "On+Heading", then
> places VoiceOver focus on the, "My Location", area of the screen, as one
> travels down a road, cross street names and intersection info is quite
> accurately announced.
> 
> In fact, I enjoy this feature so much so that I am beginning to use the 
> Maps
> app instead of Seeing Eye GPS or Nearby Explorer, when merely traveling 
> down
> a street, with no particular destination in mind.  
> 
> There is, however, kind of a drawback in using the Maps app for 
> intersection
> announcements, as least as far as I am concerned; said drawback being 
> that,
> in addition to accurately providing intersection information, such as the
> names of cross streets, Maps also continuously announces 
> points-of-interests
> as they are passed.  For me, this is too much information, especially when
> traveling in a vehicle as the announcements become somewhat cluttered.  My
> personal preference would be to have intersection/cross street
> announcements, only.
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a way to disable POI announcements in Maps?  
> 
> If POI announcements could be disabled, in the scenario I have described
> above, then the native iOS Maps app could quite easily make it possible 
> for
> those of us who are visually challenged to enjoy basic GPS navigation
> without having to 

Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[Krister Ekstrom]

Ok, a little late into this thread, but can i actually copy a folder from the 
”on my mac” location to my imap account, or is there even a way to merge a 
couple folders with the same name, on in my IMap account and one in the ”on my 
mac” folder? If so how?
Yes i should know this but alas i don’t.
/Krister

> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 16:24 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A reminder that the "On My Mac" is simply a Header for the "On My Mac" 
> folder.  When you use VO navigation to locate it, it will have an disclosure 
> triangle for expanding/closing.  When it is closed, you cannot send anything 
> its way.  When expanded, you need to choose a folder from within its contents 
> to move/copy items to.  There should be no issues copying between iMap and 
> folders on your Mac.  I go the other way all the time.  I much prefer them in 
> the iMap location so that they're accessible to all my devices using that 
> eMail account.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 12, 2016, at 08:15, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes it totally hangs the mail app and i had to force quit it.
> /A
>> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 13:58 skrev Jonathan Cohn > >:
>> 
>> In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac line. 
>> The arrow keys will just skip over that line. 
>> 
>> Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend that 
>> you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with this 
>> command.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These are 
>>> folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into an IMAP 
>>> folder and see them on the Mac.
>>> 
>>>   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the On 
>>> My Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Krister Ekstrom]

To be frank, i don’t think there’s any difference. I’d be glad if it was but i 
no longer hold my breath.
/Krister

> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 21:17 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>:
> 
> You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
> bridge, and it works fantastically.
> 
> On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
> accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's any 
> better.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ----- Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> 
> My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
> although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
> The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the experience 
> on the mac isn’t so nice.
> Hope this helps.
> /Krister
> 
>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>> 
>> Hi krister,
>> 
>> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the Sonos 
>> app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably straying 
>> into an off-list topic.
>> 
>> Many thanks for responding
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular hifi 
>>> speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
>>>> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether 
>>>> anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says 
>>>> that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities 
>>>> to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which 
>>>> are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality 
>>>> of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save 
>>>> them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be 
>>>> connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home 
>>>> network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate 
>>>> any comments.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 
>>>>>> more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 
>>>>>> channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an 
>>>>>> extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier. Certainly, 
>>>>>> 9.2 would be sufficient.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>>>>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Krister Ekstrom]

My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the experience 
on the mac isn’t so nice.
Hope this helps.
/Krister

> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
> 
> Hi krister,
> 
> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the Sonos 
> app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably straying into 
> an off-list topic.
> 
> Many thanks for responding
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular hifi 
>> speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
>>> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether 
>>> anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says that 
>>> one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities to 
>>> airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which are 
>>> very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality of 
>>> sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them 
>>> by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to 
>>> the home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home network via 
>>> the ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate any comments.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
>>>>> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
>>>>> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
>>>>> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 
>>>>> would be sufficient.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>>>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
>>>>>> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
>>>>>> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
>>>>>> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
>>>>>> Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
>>>>>> DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
>>>>>> listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
>>>>>> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  S

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular hifi 
speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
/Krister

> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether 
> anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says that 
> one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities to 
> airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which are 
> very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality of sound 
> they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them by 
> getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to the 
> home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home network via the 
> ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate any comments.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hell no dude,
>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
>>> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
>>> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
>>> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would 
>>> be sufficient.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
 
 That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
 living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
 
 For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
 mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
 safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
 Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
 DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
 listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers 
 were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you, 
 sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically 
 adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than 
 from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 
 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if 
 you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have 
 different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 
 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that 
 blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
 would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 
 microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink 
 noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
 can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software 
 updated and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different 
 surround standards.  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider 
 how many features you get.  There’s also an App for the iPad or iPhone 
 to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in case the 
 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
 included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, 
 not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they 
 use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does 
 a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
 
 You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
 decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when 
 I buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way 
 I’m going.  The other 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Krister Ekstrom]

Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
/Krister

> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
> 
> XB
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Re: Aftershockz bluez 2s headset

[Krister Ekstrom]

Do the Trekz titanium sit as tight on the head as the Bluez 2S do? Half an hour 
with those on and i get a serious headache and in my not so humble opinion the 
sound quality just isn’t fit for music with only midrange and no bass or treble 
at all.
That’s me though and the mileage may vary.
/Krister

> 18 nov. 2016 kl. 00:50 skrev Larry Thacker Jr. :
> 
> The Blues are a plastic band.  They necessarily have some flex, but I broke 
> at least 2 pair and one side went out on the third.  According to Aftershokz 
> there was a manufacturing defect that has been corrected since and my wife 
> has a pair that has held up, but they just sit on the table most of the time. 
>  The Trekz Titanium are actually made of Titanium.  I don’t think you could 
> break them if you tried, and they are lighter and smaller. The neck band is 
> less than 1/4 inches thick.  The plastic Blues are considerably wider around 
> the back.  
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> How do those differ and why are they more durable?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 16:27, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same here.  I recommend spending the extra to get the Trekz Titanium.  The 
>>> Blues I have had all broke or stopped working.  Aftershokz was good about 
>>> replacing them, but that gets old.  The Titaniums are made differently and 
>>> are much more durable.  I wear mine around the house and leave them on my 
>>> head all the time when I go out.  You may find them inadequate if you spend 
>>> time in loud environments such as a bus, train, or crowded restaurant.  
>>> Mine shipped with a pair of ear plugs, which rather defeats the purpose of 
>>> the headset but is a good solution if you’re somewhere safe and for the 
>>> moment don’t need to hear what’s around you.  They are best for their 
>>> advertised purpose of leaving your ears open.  However, as my wife would 
>>> tell you, what you are hearing in the headset will still distract you and 
>>> possibly cause you to miss what’s going on around you.  That’s a brain 
>>> issue, and perhaps others’ are better than mine.  If I have to start 
>>> commuting again, I may prefer something that works better on the train, but 
>>> otherwise I love my Aftershokz 
>>> and highly recommend them.
>>> 
 On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
 
 I love mine because they let me hear both ambient and i-device sounds, 
 improving navigation and phone access.  They pair just fine.
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 16, 2016, at 13:46, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone on the list had aftershockz bluez 2S headset? If so, is it 
> easy to pair with iOS devices and/or mac? Any comments on their 
> performance?  I've only just come across them and thought they might be 
> rather useful as they wouldn't cut out the ambient noise - an important 
> factor if I walk around the house.  With headset that fit into my ear or 
> cover my ears, I either have to use just one ear or otherwise bump into 
> furniture and doors.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Peel the Apple or what ever it is called.

[Krister Ekstrom]

+100 on that one.

> 11 nov. 2016 kl. 03:55 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   One month?! You will break that pledge at the speed of light. Its not in 
> your nature to stick to this one. Trust me. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/10/2016 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> You wrote:
>> 
>> I hereby pledge to not post anything off-topic for at least a month no
>> matter how provoked I feel. Anybody with me?
>> 
>> I'm in!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: Any one have any news on GPG for Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Mailmate is supposed to support Gpg, however it didn’t quite match my workflow, 
too bad since it was a nice mail client.
/Krister

> 24 okt. 2016 kl. 00:35 skrev Michelle Hurdt :
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I know there is Alpine, but if you want something with a Gui, I don't know.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 10/23/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I’ve been googling and even installed 2016.10 the latest GPG but no love for
>> Apple mail.  (worked in El Capitan)  Anyone have any news as to when this
>> will be addressed or better yet have an accessible mail client suggestion
>> that works on the Mac and supports GPG?  Any pointers would be most
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Thank you
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Re: Android was Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Krister Ekstrom]

You know, this is interesting. I actually find the Swedish google voice to be 
quite bloody good, it’s the only modern Swedish voice that actually to a 
certain extent can be multilingual however, i wonder if it’s the google voice 
that’s choppy when used out and about with a bluetooth headset.
/Krister

> 18 sep. 2016 kl. 05:29 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I totally agree with you on the voices.  I have eloquence on my droid device 
> and enjoy that a lot.  Much more open on the voice side than Apple.  It’s 
> nice that individual manufacturers can create their own TTS engines for 
> android  and you can simply install them.
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Erik Burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I use Android on a regular basis. there are several Braille keyboards 
>> for Android. the problem is that they require you to turn off explore by 
>> touch. explore by touch is critical for navigating your phone using 
>> gestures. so, I have never wanted to install one of these keyboards and try 
>> to make it usable.
>> 
>> The default Google text to speech voices are pretty terrible. this might 
>> lead you to believe that speech on Android is not quite as good as speech on 
>> iOS. in fact, speech on Android is far superior to that on iOS. the number 
>> of Manufacturers and the variety of voices you can actually purchase or 
>> download for free is far and beyond that available on iOS.  Android also had 
>> pronunciation dictionaries available starting with 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich 
>> which are only now being introduced in iOS 10.
>> 
>> Braille  is another matter. yes it's nice to be able to hook up the few 
>> supported Braille displays; however, they are not leveraging the full power 
>> of Android to make Braille the wonderful experience that it could be.   
>> especially not compared with iOS.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> .
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com 
>> On September 17, 2016 8:49:22 AM Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Please could someone do a podcast on how to use Braille output on their I 
>>> phone please?  I don’t know how to use it but heard all of Jonathan’s 
>>> podcast today when he was unboxing his I phone 7 plus and he was so fast on 
>>> Braille output.  I’d like to use it but the dots are not in the same place 
>>> as I don’t know how to calibrate the dots and can you chord i.e. do all the 
>>> six finger combinations as you do on a perkins?  Does Android have this 
>>> method?  Just curious.  Never used Android as when I heard it a long time 
>>> ago, didn’t like the voices.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: IOS10 Mail app changes

[Krister Ekstrom]

The whole Samsung/battery issue reminds me of the Nokia phones way back in the 
Symbian days. I don’t remember if there were the batteries or if there were 
special phone models involved, but every now and then you heard stories of new 
Nokia phones catching fire.
/Krister

> 16 sep. 2016 kl. 23:53 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> So the problem turns out that Samsung was not responding to complaints from 
> users.  Once the US government got involved more started to come out.  The 
> two phones they mentioned by name other than the Note 7 are the S7 (didn’t 
> say edge or regular) and the Core which I’m not familiar.  I’m with you 
> though if it hasn’t been a problem it’s probably not going to be for you.  I 
> charge my stuff on a metal table anyway so if it self destructed, no matter 
> the brand it shouldn’t matter.  Anybody can have battery problems, look at 
> the hover boards as an example or the vapor smoking battery operated puffers, 
> they blow up and cause fire all the time from cheap chinese parts.  Samsung 
> doesn’t have the monopoly on bad batteries.  It’s just they handled the 
> situation less than perfectly.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanx 4 Sharin', Didn't know that. I'm just Curious why it took SoLong for 
>> Samsung's GalaxyS7 & GalaxyS7Edge MobilePhones to CatchFire as you have 
>> implied based on Stories you heard from (what I beleive) are National Media 
>> OutLets
>> 
>> What's Next? Will My GalaxyS6Edge catch Fire? DoubtIt I've had it for Almost 
>> a Year
>> JustSayin'
>> At 02:01 PM 9/16/2016, you wrote:
>>> and whether you have a fire proof place to run the phone.
>>> 
>>> CNBC is running a piece on the S7 now and how it may be added to the recall 
>>> as they are catching fire it turns out as well.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Robin  wrote:
 
 Samsung
 NuffSaid
 
 Although it might NOT be OnPar with Accessibility as Apple for Some, but 
 for Others it is
 
 It depends ON YourLevel of TechSavy Skills to TroubleShoot 
 problems, which may arise
 At 06:44 PM 9/15/2016, you wrote:
>  You tell it to the universe. We are using a product that is mainstream 
> and for the most part accessible. Please tell us what other company 
> building mainstream products has better accessibility.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/15/2016 6:39 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>> No.
>> Disregarding working, intuitive practice for fluffy, legacy emulation is
>> not progress.
>> Tell that to the galactic Oogy Buggy.
>> This is a marketing problem.  If it isn't what I like or can use, it's a
>> marketing issue.
>> Tell that to the Galactic Trader's Alliance.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 18:30, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time
>>> adapting to change. But, at the end of each day, change is inevitable.
>>> If that is what you deem as force, well, the solution is, of course,
>>> jump ship. But, inevitable there as well. the cycle repeats itself.
>>> 
>>> Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource called
>>> Applevis.
>>> 
>>> How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this system
>>> but it sure outruns Windows.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 9/15/2016 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
 It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined
 functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy
 system, namely OS.
 If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS.  The
 iOS represents a gateway experience that the public has readily 
 adopted.
 Among the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users.
 If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am going
 to be forced into seeking another phone and notebook alternative.  This
 mail issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an update promised to improve,
 to make simpler, to add features.
 My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion.  No 
 release
 notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just not helpful
 or easily usable.
 It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned on
 that clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those using 
 the
 iOs.  It is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs to give place
 to the more modern, more 

Re: IOS10 Mail app changes

[Krister Ekstrom]

Will i’ve got a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. So much for having a burning desire to 
change operating systems for a while.:-)
/Krister

> 16 sep. 2016 kl. 23:22 skrev Robin :
> 
> Thanx 4 Sharin', Didn't know that. I'm just Curious why it took SoLong for 
> Samsung's GalaxyS7 & GalaxyS7Edge MobilePhones to CatchFire as you have 
> implied based on Stories you heard from (what I beleive) are National Media 
> OutLets
> 
> What's Next? Will My GalaxyS6Edge catch Fire? DoubtIt I've had it for Almost 
> a Year
> JustSayin'
> At 02:01 PM 9/16/2016, you wrote:
>> and whether you have a fire proof place to run the phone.
>> 
>> CNBC is running a piece on the S7 now and how it may be added to the recall 
>> as they are catching fire it turns out as well.
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > Samsung
>> > NuffSaid
>> >
>> > Although it might NOT be OnPar with Accessibility as Apple for Some, but 
>> > for Others it is
>> >
>> > It depends ON YourLevel of TechSavy Skills to TroubleShoot 
>> > problems, which may arise
>> > At 06:44 PM 9/15/2016, you wrote:
>> >>   You tell it to the universe. We are using a product that is mainstream 
>> >> and for the most part accessible. Please tell us what other company 
>> >> building mainstream products has better accessibility.
>> >>
>> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> >>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> >>
>> >> On 9/15/2016 6:39 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>> >>> No.
>> >>> Disregarding working, intuitive practice for fluffy, legacy emulation is
>> >>> not progress.
>> >>> Tell that to the galactic Oogy Buggy.
>> >>> This is a marketing problem.  If it isn't what I like or can use, it's a
>> >>> marketing issue.
>> >>> Tell that to the Galactic Trader's Alliance.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 18:30, E.T. > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>>   Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time
>>  adapting to change. But, at the end of each day, change is inevitable.
>>  If that is what you deem as force, well, the solution is, of course,
>>  jump ship. But, inevitable there as well. the cycle repeats itself.
>> 
>>   Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource called
>>  Applevis.
>> 
>>   How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this system
>>  but it sure outruns Windows.
>> 
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>  On 9/15/2016 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>> > It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined
>> > functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy
>> > system, namely OS.
>> > If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS.  The
>> > iOS represents a gateway experience that the public has readily 
>> > adopted.
>> > Among the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users.
>> > If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am going
>> > to be forced into seeking another phone and notebook alternative.  This
>> > mail issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an update promised to improve,
>> > to make simpler, to add features.
>> > My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion.  No 
>> > release
>> > notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just not helpful
>> > or easily usable.
>> > It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned on
>> > that clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those using 
>> > the
>> > iOs.  It is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs to give place
>> > to the more modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs and not the other
>> > way round.
>> > Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of 
>> > improvements.
>> > There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old friends at
>> > rehab, insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for our
>> > own good.
>> > I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or risk
>> > losing something that could and did change the world for us.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden > > 
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now
>> >> looks much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail.
>> >>
>> >> When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled
>> >> the same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a
>> >> thread to activate it, one goes 

Re: IOS10 Mail app changes

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I simply or maybe not so simply i don’t know, assigned another gesture to the 
menus, in my case one tap on the edge of the unit opens the global side menu 
and two taps on the edge of the unit opens the local talkback menu. It works 
quite well apart from the fact that when you put down your phone on the table 
the menus fall down but other than that it works ok.
I can hardly do the angle gestures at all.:-)
/Krister

> 16 sep. 2016 kl. 22:58 skrev David Chittenden :
> 
> I have an LG Nexus 9 (Google Android) tablet which runs stock Android. The 
> right angle gestures are the current downfall of that system. I am very good 
> at performing gestures. With the right-angle gestures, one must draw a 
> straight horrizontal or vertical line, followed by a straight line which is a 
> right-angle turn at the end of the first line. The complete gesture must be 
> drawn within half a second, and must be quite precise. Sighted people do this 
> without any difficulty. I am now able to do it successfully about 1/3 the 
> time, after a couple months of practice. If Google did arcs rather than right 
> angles, it would work without much difficulty, and I would use a stock 
> Android as my second phone, rather than two iPhones.
> 
> Samsung rewrote the interface with Speech Assist and took out the angle 
> gestures. They put in more multiple finger commands. However, their interface 
> is not-at-all customisable, and it does not provide as many advanced features 
> as voiceover. Oh, and they have a recent history of current devices lighting 
> up people's lives.
> 
> Now, if any of the TALKBack crowd wish to give me useable strategies for 
> performing angle commands, without vision, and it being precise more than 95% 
> of the time, I will definitely listen, practice, and work more with Android. 
> I believe in multiple accessible general market products, but the interface 
> must be usable.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 16/09/2016, at 23:43, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Simon, I like your humor buddy.;)
>> 
>> Well played sir.
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Um, that type of prostate exam would probably be ok, because it's now done 
>>> with a blood test, so captain hook would be able to help get the blood out!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016 1:46 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes
>>> 
>>> Michael you’re right and just try using Android.  It’s like getting a 
>>> prostate exam from Captain Hook.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:40 PM, michael babcock > wrote:
 
 Apple doesn’t make there products and services to work for everyone.
 All this talking about leaving because you don’t like there updates, means 
 nothing honestly.
 Apple is doing there marketing the right way; they aren’t in the everyone 
 business and the people who do like there products and services obviously 
 pay more.
 What is a Mac in most cases?
 A PC…
 A Personal Computer …
 But apple markets a Mac as a Mac and the people who want there changes 
 will continue paying for them.
 I’ve seen a few people say that they don’t like the way apple is doing 
 there updates, and just had to say, so what… Switch to android, back to a 
 Nokia N82, (Side note do they still make that phone?), windows 10 touch 
 phone, etc.
 #choices.
 And regarding the new mail problem, yes i complained to a friend that i 
 couldn’t use preview in my mail and listen to part of the messages. He 
 didn’t know how to get this working, however the podcast AppleVis released 
 helped me a lot.
 Thanks for reading my rant.
 Best.
 
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:30 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time 
> adapting to change. But, at the end of each day, change is inevitable. If 
> that is what you deem as force, well, the solution is, of course, jump 
> ship. But, inevitable there as well. the cycle repeats itself.
> 
> Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource called 
> Applevis.
> 
> How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this system but it 
> sure outruns Windows.
> 

Re: IOS10 Mail app changes

[Krister Ekstrom]

I can confirm the experience of the Samsung devices being more iPhone like. 
That helped me a lot in the switch. ’nough said about that here.
/Krister

> 16 sep. 2016 kl. 13:45 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> You know the Samsung devices have a custom interface that is much more iPhone 
> like.  That makes it easier for some to transition over.  I have my issues 
> with Samsung but others may have a better time of it and that’s one 
> similarity that may make it easier and worth while.
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I've played with OS 6 from android and I didn't find it any easier to use 
>> than os 5 
>> 
>> Mind you I have to admit I can't stop doing gestures fo rthe iPhone but then 
>> that's just because it's my device of preference.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016 3:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes
>> 
>> OK, Scott. But weren't you going to try a more recent android experience?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Michael you’re right and just try using Android.  It’s like getting a 
>>> prostate exam from Captain Hook.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:40 PM, michael babcock  
 wrote:
 
 Apple doesn’t make there products and services to work for everyone.
 All this talking about leaving because you don’t like there updates, means 
 nothing honestly.
 Apple is doing there marketing the right way; they aren’t in the everyone 
 business and the people who do like there products and services obviously 
 pay more.
 What is a Mac in most cases?
 A PC…
 A Personal Computer …
 But apple markets a Mac as a Mac and the people who want there changes 
 will continue paying for them.
 I’ve seen a few people say that they don’t like the way apple is 
 doing there updates, and just had to say, so what… Switch to android, back 
 to a Nokia N82, (Side note do they still make that phone?), windows 10 
 touch phone, etc.
 #choices.
 And regarding the new mail problem, yes i complained to a friend that i 
 couldn’t use preview in my mail and listen to part of the messages. He 
 didn’t know how to get this working, however the podcast AppleVis released 
 helped me a lot.
 Thanks for reading my rant.
 Best.
 
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:30 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time 
> adapting to change. But, at the end of each day, change is inevitable. If 
> that is what you deem as force, well, the solution is, of course, jump 
> ship. But, inevitable there as well. the cycle repeats itself.
> 
> Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource called 
> Applevis.
> 
> How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this system but it 
> sure outruns Windows.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/15/2016 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>> It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined 
>> functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy 
>> system, namely OS.
>> If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS.  
>> The iOS represents a gateway experience that the public has readily 
>> adopted.
>> Among the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users.
>> If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am 
>> going to be forced into seeking another phone and notebook 
>> alternative.  This mail issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an 
>> update promised to improve, to make simpler, to add features.
>> My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion.  No 
>> release notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just 
>> not helpful or easily usable.
>> It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned 
>> on that clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those 
>> using the iOs.  It is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs 
>> to give place to the more modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs 
>> and not the other way round.
>> Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of improvements.
>> There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old friends at 
>> rehab, insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for our own 
>> good.
>> I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or 
>> risk losing something that could and did change the 

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Krister Ekstrom]

Has anyone heard if there are plans to go worldwide with this app? Would be 
great if they did but i have my doubts seeing that it has been on Android for 
quite a while.
/Krister

> 21 aug. 2016 kl. 15:37 skrev Mike Arrigo :
> 
> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
> States and Canada.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
>> that people like with this app.
>> /A
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that 
>>> or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m 
>>> really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,  
 
 I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
 iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for the 
 Blind.  
 
 So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
 whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
 user manual, below my signature line.
 
 A couple of things to note, however:
 
 1.
 Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
 Canada.  
 
 2.
 At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
 anyway, $79.99.
 
 3.
 In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in map 
 of North America, you must have at least 4GB of free space available on 
 your iOS device.
 
 4.
 The direct URL to the online user manual, which includes a in-page 
 hyperlinked table of contents, omitted in this post, is:
 http://tech.aph.org/ne/index.html
 
 5.
 I have not edited the contents of this text in any way.  I simply copied 
 the text from the website; therefore some of the formatting may not be 
 consistent with the HTML version of the manual.
 
 Finally, to you old-timers out there, I am delighted to report that this 
 app reminds me a great deal of the groundbreaking, GPS navigation solution 
 for the blind and low vision that started it all; I am referring, of 
 course, to Code Factory’s Mobile Geo.  
 
 Okay, on to the show.  
 
 Enjoy and Happy & Safe Traveling,
 
 Mark
 
 Nearby Explorer for iOS User's Guide
 
 Copyright 2016
 
 American Printing House for the Blind, Inc.
 
 2016/8/19
 
 Introduction
 
 When sighted people use a global positioning system (GPS), their main 
 interests are getting directions and/or guidance to a destination. Blind 
 users appreciate these features as well, but generally desire more 
 orientation queues than are available on commercial GPS apps. Nearby 
 Explorer is a GPS app designed to provide these queues. When combined with 
 an accessible interface and customizable, current information about points 
 of interest (POIs), the tools provide a meaningful picture of the vicinity 
 and its characteristics.
 
 Nearby Explorer works by:
 1.displaying a screen containing several geography-related categories, 
 letting you turn on the ones of interest (announced as you move). You can 
 put the phone to sleep and continue receiving feedback or examine the 
 values on the screen.
 2.letting you orient the phone in various positions to get more targeted 
 information about: ◦points of interest (POIs),
 ◦direction and streets, and
 ◦the closest point of interest.
 
 3.providing descriptive details such as: ◦intersection configurations as 
 you approach,
 ◦transit stop next time, direction of travel, and head sign for systems in 
 over 30 metro areas,
 ◦distance and adjustable direction to POIs, and
 ◦adjustable scope for prominence and proximity for POI announcements.
 
 
 Features
 
 The information that Nearby Explorer provides helps the blind traveler 
 stay oriented. It shows surrounding and approaching streets, businesses, 
 institutions, and public facilities, and offers continually updating 
 distance and directional information to the nearest or selected location.
 
 Nearby Explorer provides a sense of the surrounding streets and their 
 relationship to the user's current position. Additionally, it enables the 
 passenger in a vehicle to aid the driver with directions and suggestions.
 
 About This Manual
 
 This documentation was complete and accurate at the time of its writing. 
 When there are updates or