Re: Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

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I’d say Mac, windows is very complexed.Kliph SrSent from my Mobile OfficeOn May 12, 2024, at 9:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi Kelly,I don’t mind doing that, but I’m pretty limited for time.  Which of the two—Windows or Mac—would be easiest to get up and running with?TIA,DonnaOn May 12, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:





For what is worth, I have this keyboard and find it to be excellent. With respect to the app on both the Mac and Windows, and my experience while the app would fail pretty much any accessibility standard, I have found a way to use it with both
 JAWS and VoiceOver. It requires a lot of use of the JAWS touch cursor and VoiceOver commands to activate different items and it is far from efficient. In addition, you have to get familiar with a couple of nameless buttons to recall which one does what task.
 I’m by no means suggesting I would consider the app usable, unless you are willing to go through all of these hoops.


Typing on the device for me is excellent and aside from checking battery status I don’t use the app regularly.







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Windows does have an app, and yes it is not accessible on the Mac, I had to get sited help. It’s nice though, cause you can set up keys to open up folders or do keyboard commands.





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On May 12, 2024, at 6:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:


The Mac does have one, but it sounds like Michael’s experience is that it isn’t accessible either.
Donna

On May 12, 2024, at 6:41 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

I would love to use the app but have not found it to be accessible. I’m not even sure if the Mac has one.

But it is not accessible on Windows.
Merv


On May 12, 2024, at 7:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

Hi Mervin,

So you don’t use the app at all?  I ask because it looks like the only way to disable backlighting on the keyboard is in the Logitech app, and it looks like doing that significantly extends battery life.  That would be really convenient for me since I’ll be
 traveling.
Cheers,
Donna


On May 12, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Mervin Keck III  wrote:

Logitech sells A Mac only version of the MX keyboard. If this is the one you have then you have the one I am currently using. And it is totally accessible. In fact I like it better than the one I am using on my windows 11 Pro machine which is for both Mac and
 windows. When using it on windows 11 Pro there are a couple of keys that do nothing. And windows keeps trying to install a Logitech app that is 0% accessible. And the only way I know it is even trying to install it is because my 32GB i7 Carbon X1 Extreme starts
 revving up like it is ready to take off on a runway.  
The Mac version gives me no issues and does not try to install anything. And works great. I use the Mac Only Logitech MX on my M1 MacBook Pro but since it allows me to connect up to 3 devices I also have my iPhone 14 Pro Max paired with it as well. It works
 great with my iPhone as well.
Merv


On May 12, 2024, at 7:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

Hi all,

I just bought one of these keyboards to take to Europe in lieu of my Mac.  Anyone else using one?  One thing I’m wondering about is the Logi Options app.  From what I can find, it’s for Mac only.  Can anyone confirm or deny?  Second, if you’ve installed it
 on a Mac, how accessible is it?
TIA,
Donna

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Anyone using a Logitech MX keyboard for Mac?

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> Windows does have an app, and yes it is not accessible on the Mac, I had to 
> get sited help. It’s nice though, cause you can set up keys to open up 
> folders or do keyboard commands.
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>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> The Mac does have one, but it sounds like Michael’s experience is that it 
>> isn’t accessible either.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2024, at 6:41 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> I would love to use the app but have not found it to be accessible. I’m not 
>>> even sure if the Mac has one. 
>>> But it is not accessible on Windows.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 12, 2024, at 7:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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 Hi Mervin,
 
 So you don’t use the app at all?  I ask because it looks like the only way 
 to disable backlighting on the keyboard is in the Logitech app, and it 
 looks like doing that significantly extends battery life.  That would be 
 really convenient for me since I’ll be traveling.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On May 12, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Mervin Keck III  
> wrote:
> 
> Logitech sells A Mac only version of the MX keyboard. If this is the one 
> you have then you have the one I am currently using. And it is totally 
> accessible. In fact I like it better than the one I am using on my 
> windows 11 Pro machine which is for both Mac and windows. When using it 
> on windows 11 Pro there are a couple of keys that do nothing. And windows 
> keeps trying to install a Logitech app that is 0% accessible. And the 
> only way I know it is even trying to install it is because my 32GB i7 
> Carbon X1 Extreme starts revving up like it is ready to take off on a 
> runway.  
> The Mac version gives me no issues and does not try to install anything. 
> And works great. I use the Mac Only Logitech MX on my M1 MacBook Pro but 
> since it allows me to connect up to 3 devices I also have my iPhone 14 
> Pro Max paired with it as well. It works great with my iPhone as well.
> Merv
> 
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>> On May 12, 2024, at 7:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just bought one of these keyboards to take to Europe in lieu of my 
>> Mac.  Anyone else using one?  One thing I’m wondering about is the Logi 
>> Options app.  From what I can find, it’s for Mac only.  Can anyone 
>> confirm or deny?  Second, if you’ve installed it on a Mac, how 
>> accessible is it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mail Signatures

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Pasting them is not necessary, you can drag and drop them, there for not having 
to copy and paste, and they stay in the all signatures table, no matter how 
many times you drag and drop them on different accounts, they keep only one 
copy in the all signatures table. The late great Tim Kilburn wrote up some 
great instructions on how to do this.


> On May 7, 2024, at 9:50 PM, Joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Yeah but you can paste signatures that are in the signature staying into an 
> account signature that you wanna have on the new Mac. And I've done this. 
> Somehow, some old signatures got stored from a previous Mac that I had, and 
> when I got my new Mac, I was able to find those signatures, and paste them 
> into a new signature field. For a new account. So what I did was copied the 
> signature, and then deleted the old signature from the all signature field.
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 9:25 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> I am not seeing this.
>> What I do see is something different.
>> I have 4 different mail accounts on my Mac.  One of them is iCloud Mail, 
>> which is not enabled.
>> The others are Gmail, Outlook and AT Yahoo accounts.
>> The AT Yahoo account is my primary email account, and the only one for 
>> which I have created signatures.
>> I have 2 Macs, a Mac studio and a MacBook Pro.
>> In order to use signatures, I have to create them on each Mac, and then 
>> those signatures can only be used on the Mac on which they were created, and 
>> only in the account for which they were created.
>> On each Mac, I can go to Mail Settings > Signatures, and in the Signatures 
>> table, under All Signatures, I can see all signatures created on both of my 
>> Macs, but can only use signatures created on the Mac on which a signature 
>> was created, in the account in which it was created.
>> I have been using a Mac since 2013, and have had 2 Macs since 2014, and this 
>> how signatures have worked all along.
>> I have just learned to accept that this is just how it is.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 6, 2024, at 21:00, ancient.aliens via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Brad,
>>   No idea on why I cannot make changes to the signatures? I can delete them 
>> and add new ones. But if I close the Mail app then open it again, all the 
>> old sigs are back. 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard…
>> What do batteries run on?
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>>> I've never been able to get mail signatures to sync across both of my Max. 
>>> I've always had to set them up separately on each Mac.
>>> I've never been able to get mail signatures to sync across both of my Max. 
>>> I'm always had to set them up separately on each Mac.
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2024, at 18:29, ancient.aliens via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> On the 2020 MBP, I cannot edit the signatures, cannot remove what is shown 
>>> there in the All sigs table.
>>> 
>>> On this 2012 MBP, I have what I want for each mail account. Is there a way 
>>> to sync this to the 2020 Mac? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: HomePod mini

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The mini won’t give you that great of stereo sound even with a pair, JMO

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> Hi!
> But if I use one HomePod then I won’t have stereo sound right?
> Bless.
> /A
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>> 29 apr. 2024 kl. 20:43 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Anders,
>> 
>> I don’t know about mounting them, but I would think so.  Each mini is sold 
>> separately.  If you want them to function as a stereo pair, you set that up 
>> in settings, otherwise, they will each function independently.  And yes, 
>> each one has its own power supply.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2024, at 1:19 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>> Hi!
>>> I am a bit interested in the HomePod mini.
>>> And since its a stereo pair I am wondering if its possible to hang them on 
>>> the wall?
>>> I also am interested in if there are  one  power unit to drive the both 
>>> HomePods or if I have to have one for each HomePod?
>>> Bless.
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Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

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Nice tip, I use iCloud.com , so I don’t get much junk, but 
will pass this tip along.


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> Hi all,
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> I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just learned 
> about, and it has turned out to be very handy.
> 
> Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All you 
> have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  I was 
> skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  Forwarding these 
> messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails a day, to one, if that.  
> When you’re getting as much junk mail as I was, it’s kind of a pain to have 
> to forward every message, but it really does work.  It was only a matter of a 
> few days before my junk mail started dropping off dramatically.
> 
> As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to do about 
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Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 8:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
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>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and 
>> I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
>> keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the Orbit reader. 
>>  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember that at least 
>> early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader. 
>>  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it’s compatible with 
>> Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

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Most don’t know this, but if you hold down the fn key 1 threw 0 will perform 
the function keys function.  I find that they are not needed much anymore, so 
personally I don’t know what the big deal is.  To each there own though.

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> On May 20, 2021, at 8:34 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
> 
> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
>> function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision 
>> can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be 
>> enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will 
>> even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, 
>> perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the 
>> touch bar would be appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check 
>> do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never 
>> use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other 
>> issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, 
>> but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login options 
>> under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very 
>> happy with my purchase.
>>  
>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of 
>> a touch bar.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the 
>> new Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your 
>> unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
>> configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
>> receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in 
>> thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of 
>> consideration. I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one. 
>> What factors were important to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook 
>> Pro? Thanks for the assist.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
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Let's Talk Apple Event for May 22nd; change of date and additional instructions

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> Because of medical issues in my family and other distractions, the event is 
> being pushed back to be held on Saturday, June 5, at 1 PM US Eastern time. If 
> anyone cannot make it who did register, the event will be recorded and I can 
> send a Dropbox link to the file afterwards.
>> 
>>What We Need from You
>> 
>>For those who plan to attend, Donna and I would like you to send specific 
>> questions in regard to Mac or iOS accessibility. This can include 
>> shortcomings or enhancement recommendations. Donna and I will field your 
>> questions and comments, but then, in the last segment, the forum will be 
>> open to everyone for additional conversations. Your questions or comments 
>> can be sent to, j...@macfortheblind.com.
>> 
>> IMPORTANT NOTE:
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>> This is Not a vehicle for Apple bashing or general complaints. If anyone 
>> seeks to use this forum for that purpose, they will be removed immediately 
>> from the session by myself or Donna or another moderator. We are desiring 
>> constructive comments and criticism that is professionally and tactfully 
>> presented. This information will be sent directly to Apple accessibility, so 
>> there will be no toleration for any “abusive” behavior towards Apple or any 
>> other company.
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>> We apologize for any inconvenience this change might cause, and we look 
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Let's talk apple!

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> Opened to all interested persons across North America and beyond!
> 
> Date:  Saturday May 22 2021
> Time:  1 pm Eastern
> 
> World renowned Apple trainer and consultant John Panarese and 
> Apple Certified support professional Donna Jodhan 
> Are pleased to announce the following special event
> 
> On May 22 John and Donna will be hosting a very special and unique event!
> A Zoom session to give you the chance to share your thoughts and suggestions 
> as to how Apple can further enhance and improve its products to meet the 
> requirements of blind and vision impaired persons and for you to share some 
> of your dreams and visions as to how we can foster more collaboration with 
> Apple. 
> 
> We are very excited about this event as it is probably one of the first of 
> its kind.
> We are hoping to attract many participants and because we want to ensure 
> maximum participation we will limit the number of persons signing up to 50 
> and should there be a demand from more than this then we would be happy to 
> host more than one zoom session.
> 
> Description
> John and Donna will host a 90 minute session consisting of three segments.
> Segment one will last for approximately 40 minutes where you will have a 
> chance to share your thoughts and comments with others about the Mac.
> Tell us what you think could be another revolution or enhancement or 
> challenge that Apple should be aware of.
> 
> Segment two will last for approximately 30 minutes where you will have a 
> chance to share your thoughts and comments with others.
> In this session we will turn your attention to IOS devices and ask for your 
> input in a similar manner to segment one.
> 
> Segment three will be one where the floor will be opened to your questions 
> directed to John and Donna.
> You will have an opportunity to ask any of your favourite questions.
> 
> All of your feedback will be shared with Apple and rest assured that 
> identities of respondents will be kept strictly confidential.
> 
> To register, please send an email to j...@macfortheblind.com 
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> Zoom details will be sent to you closer to the date of May 22 2021
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Every M1 Mac compared: Which Apple silicon computer is right for you?

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The rollout of Apple silicon continues with the introduction of the 24-inch iMac. Now there are four different Macs with Apple’s M1 system-on-a-chip (SoC) at the heart of each model: two laptops and two desktop computers. That means you have more choices, and that’s good—but that also means there are now more designs, features, specifications, and prices to consider, which can make picking the right one tricky.To help you decide with M1 Mac to buy, let’s break down each model and look at each of their similarities and differences. If you know for sure that you want an M1 Mac laptop and not a desktop computer, take a look at our M1 Mac laptop guide that compares the MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro. Plus Apple still sells Macs with Intel processors, so there’s a lot to consider before you plunk down a thousand-plus dollars on a new Mac.



M1: Laptop versus desktopThe four M1 Macs that Apple sells can be easily divided into laptops and desktop computers. The differences are obvious—skip to the next section if you don’t need it spelled out for you. Read on if you want more information to help you decide.Laptops. Apple sells two M1 Mac laptops, the MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro. Laptops are all-in-one computers, with a built-in display, keyboard, and trackpad. Mac laptops have a built-in battery that you charge by plugging in a power adapter to one of the Thunderbolt/USB 4 ports. You can charge the battery, unplug it when you travel, and then use the laptop on battery power at a remote location.Mac laptops tend to be a slower than Mac desktop computers because the laptops need to do more to maintain a comfortable temperature. But with the M1, the performance gap isn’t as big as it used to be with Intel processors, which we’ll outline below. Even before the switch to Apple silicon, Mac laptops provide enough performance to be used as a primary computer both on an office desk and on the go.Desktop. Apple offers two desktop M1 Macs, the Mac mini and the 24-inch iMac. These computers are designed to stay on a desk and are not generally considered to be mobile devices. The Mac mini requires you to provide a display and input devices, which you can also buy at the point of purchase from Apple or use your own. The iMac is an all-in-one computer with a built-in display and it comes with input devices.The desktop M1 Macs are faster than the M1 laptops, but not by a lot in general use. A desktop has a speed advantage with work that is very processor intensive, such as with pro apps like Final Cut, Logic Pro, and Xcode. Laptops need to be more attentive to the running temperature and will slow down if it starts to get too hot. Desktops, meanwhile, can run at a higher temperature for a longer period.Our take: Laptops are popular and with good reason. They have enough processing power for most users, are easy to travel with, and have the features most people need. A laptop might seem like the obvious choice, but if you’re not going to be traveling much, Apple’s M1 desktop computers are ideal for users who need the most processing power and an extensive setup with external hardware. If you need a monitor, look at the iMac, if not the Mac mini is a fantastic option.



M1: Processor and graphicsAll four Macs use the M1 SoC, which has an 8-core CPU with four perform­ance cores and four efficiency cores. Based on our testing of three of the four Macs released so far, it provides impressively fast performance, with similar results across all four models.As of this writing, the 24-inch iMac had not yet started shipping. Apple said the iMac would start making its way to customers in the second half of May. We won’t be surprised if the 24-inch iMac posts Geekbench 5 scores similar to what has been posted by the M1 Mac mini, but we’ll update this post once we get our hands on one.Here’s a look at the Geekbench 5 CPU results. The M1 laptops have scores that are lower than the Mac mini, probably because the laptops run a tad slower for temperature control. But the difference is really small—we’re talking about 1.5 percent—and in everyday use, you won’t notice a difference between the three.



Geekbench 5 CPU benchmark



Mac modelSingle-core testMulti-core testMacBook Air1730745413-inch MacBook Pro17247569Mac mini17537735Results are scores. Higher scores are better.



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Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

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Why bother when numbers gets the job done, but yes Crome can be used on the m1, 
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> On May 8, 2021, at 11:55 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, before I explore a VM for the M1, can you use Google sheets and Google 
> Chrome on the Mac?
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
>  
> In any case, so far as I’m aware, there are no ARM64 versions of popular 
> Windows screen readers. Microsoft Narrator would be the only possibility.
>  
> I’m contemplating buying an Apple Silicon Mac (m1 or whatever the next chip 
> is) later this year. I don’t plan to run Windows on it. I can do everything 
> on the Mac that I can on Windows. There is work underway that may allow Linux 
> to run on Apple Silicon Mac hardware, and I may be interested in that 
> possibility though at some point.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com 
>  >
> Date: Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:12
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >
> Subject: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines
> 
> Hi,
> This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the 
> new M1 Macs.
> It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
> registration.
> https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
>  
> 
> I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
> on the same machine.
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pDF pen pro, or PDF expert?

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> Witch one of these apps for the Mac is more accessible for filling out pdf’s 
> on the Mac?  There both a bit expensive, but as long as it works I will pay.
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Re: experience with N1 MacBook Air

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With a M1 Mac, you just hold down the power button for about 10 seconds, then 
do the usual command f5 and VoiceOver will come on.  I am also sorry you are 
having so much trouble, I have setup 3 M1 Macs, 2 from time machine backups, 
and haven’t had these issues.


> On May 5, 2021, at 4:26 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can you refresh me on how to boot in recovery mode? Oddly enough, in 12 years 
> of using a Mac, I've never had to do that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 5, 2021, at 4:19 PM, matthew dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes.  Wile in recovery mode.  CMD+F5 will bring up VO.  You can then go into 
>> disk utility and erase the drive then chuse reinstall Mac OS from there.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2021, at 4:33 PM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> How can you wipe a Mac if you have no speech?
>>> Command f5 should start VoiceOver.
>>> Can you wipe the Mac in recovery mode and get speech separate from the OS?
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 4:31 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: experience with N1 MacBook Air
>>>  
>>> I know several VoiceOver users who have new MacBook Airs with the M1 
>>> processor, and none of them have experienced the issues you report.
>>> I think your issue stems from doing the Time Machine backup from your old 
>>> Mac to the new M1 Mac.
>>> I don’t necessarily think the macOS update will make any difference, but it 
>>> can’t hurt either.
>>> I suggest wiping the Mac, and starting over as a completely new Mac.  Then 
>>> transfer your old data to the new Mac manually.
>>> I think you will have a lot less trouble doing this.
>>>  
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On May 5, 2021, at 13:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Recently there has been a discussion about the new MBA, so I thought I 
>>> would share my experience.
>>> 
>>> I unboxed my MBA yesterday afternoon, and it's been nothin but a headache 
>>> since.  When I booted it for the first time, all seemed fine.  But after I 
>>> migrated my data using a time machine backup, VO went silent.
>>> 
>>> Yesterday afternoon I called Apple Accessibility, and spent a half hour on 
>>> hold, then another half hour on the phone with some idiot who spent the 
>>> call directing me to position the camera on my phone with one hand so she 
>>> could see the screen, while she directed the finger on my other hand to 
>>> select and activate items on the trackpad.  to say the least, the 
>>> experience was unpleasant and frustrating, and I finally just gave up and 
>>> hung up.  My husband and I spent most of last night trying to troubleshoot 
>>> the problem, as I could do nothing without sighted assistance.  We were not 
>>> successful.
>>> 
>>> This morning I called Apple to request a replacement.  I spent another half 
>>> hour on the phone with a very nice support person, at the end of which, he 
>>> directed me to take my computer to the local authorized Apple Service 
>>> dealer.  My husband and I both just took two hours off work to do that.  I 
>>> just got back from there.  They weren't able to fix it either.  He said 
>>> that it looks like VO is unable to select a voice, and has recommended that 
>>> I install the latest Big Sur update.  I'm downloading it now.  If that 
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Re: MacCafe (apple pages for Mac edition!)

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Yes it will, also will be posted on the sturitup YouTube page

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Extra voices in dock an menu?

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> So, has anyone been successful downloading editions voices in the clock area? 
>  .
> I have had an issue activating the ok button after all settings were done 
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Re: Torrent clients.

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Have never used that one, WebTorrent works perfectly with VoiceOver

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> voiceOver.
> Its not shown programs chooser but I can see that its loaded when I cmd tab 
> cycling through apps.
> In the Security and intigrity settings I have allowed it in the accessibility 
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Re: amadeus pro: fastest method for reading current time

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The go to command works every time as long as you move play head there

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> On Apr 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> You can find the elapsed time in the Toolbar. I tried to set a VoiceOver 
> Hotspot there but Hotspots are not very reliable as you might know. And it 
> seems to be difficult if there are several windows open. VoiceOver confuses  
> them when reading the content of the Hotspot.
> 
> So CMD + g might be the better choice.
> 
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 03.04.2021 um 14:43 schrieb Jeff Berwick :
>> 
>> I don’t know where it is located visually, but if you move the insertion 
>> point to the play head you can then hit command + g to see the time.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 1:18 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am currently coding some quick scripts in python to generate video clips 
>>> from a list of youtube videos, and a transcription of my own audio to layer 
>>> on top automatically.
>>> 
>>> I am looking for the most efficient, as in fastest way of reading the 
>>> current playhead on the timeline on amadeus pro. I don't want to fool 
>>> around using vo navigation, but just capture the time stamp, by using 
>>> keyboard maestro or some other such keyboard command to get the information.
>>> 
>>> Anyone know where the timeline is located in the amadeus pro interface?
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> 
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Re: Audio looping software suggestions

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I am  not really sure, I just started getting the hang of it a couple weeks ago.


> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Yeah I know, and the learning curve for GB is a pain in the rump. I’m hoping 
> for something simpler to work with than GB if it all possible. How about 
> Amadeus pro does that do looping?
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> Garage band does this and a whole lot more, and it is free99! And comes 
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>>> positions on an audio file (X begin, why end) and loop that section. Any 
>>> suggestions? I’m not interested in anything with a high learning curve or a 
>>> big price tag. Simpler the better. my purpose is to record a chord 
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>>> having to lay down eight or 10 run-throughs of the progression to be used 
>>> as a practice rhythm backing track. Thanks
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Re: Audio looping software suggestions

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:26 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I’m looking for an app either iPhone or OS X that will let me mark positions 
> on an audio file (X begin, why end) and loop that section. Any suggestions? 
> I’m not interested in anything with a high learning curve or a big price tag. 
> Simpler the better. my purpose is to record a chord progression on guitar 
> once through and then be able to loop it rather than having to lay down eight 
> or 10 run-throughs of the progression to be used as a practice rhythm backing 
> track. Thanks
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Re: BOSS Tone Studio software

[kliph miller Sr]

My mistake.   Sorry about that.


> On Mar 28, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Cliff, I’m afraid you misunderstand me. Bosstones studio is an editor for 
> editing the various settings inside the actual hardware of the boss guitar 
> amplifier. It’s not a general audio editing piece I have used Amadeus but 
> this is totally different. And yes I find that Roland is almost totally 
> accessible but there’s certain key parts that aren’t there that can’t be 
> reached voiceover. And, trying to send a service or accessibility request a 
> boss is near impossible. I can’t even send a message to support because of 
> their screwed up help system.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> No I haven't used that.
>> My experience with aBoss and Roland is that things is not totally accessible 
>> but they can work.
>> /A
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Is anyone familiar with the Boss tone studio app for Mac OS X? It’s an 
>>> editor app that works with boss katana guitar amps. I’m trying to work out 
>>> the accessibility of this app and would appreciate a little help if anyone 
>>> else has been here before. Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: BOSS Tone Studio software

[kliph miller Sr]

I have never heard or used that one.  Amadeus Pro is where it is for 
accessibility.  I am just mad at myself I took so long to use it.

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> On Mar 28, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Is anyone familiar with the Boss tone studio app for Mac OS X? It’s an editor 
> app that works with boss katana guitar amps. I’m trying to work out the 
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Re: mac os big sur: renaming the inbox names in mail

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Reminder, how do you root the mouse again?

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> On Mar 23, 2021, at 8:03 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
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> Hey Yuma,
> Move vo to the favorites group at the top of the mailbox list and rout the 
> mouse.  This will cause an Add button to appear.  Add the All Inboxes group 
> to the favorites.  This should fix the problem.
> It is also possible that it is all-ready shown and it isn’t expanded.
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2021, at 17:08, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This one is sticking like a sore thumb as I need to play guessing games or 
>> pattern recognition when accessing my multiple mailboxes.
>> 
>> Currently in the mailbox list, all my inboxes are just called "inbox" where 
>> previously they were associated to the name of the email address, like 
>> "gmail" or "icloud" etc.
>> 
>> mac os big sur changed this, and I was wondering if anyone knew where I'd go 
>> to put my mailbox names back in the list?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[kliph miller Sr]

Not yet, that’s all I will say for now


> On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:23 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I am referring to being able to tell the HomePod to play it directly without 
> having to use your phone.  For example, on my android phone and probably.e on 
> my iPhone 8+ though I have not tested this I should be able to tell Sirri to 
> play a station on Sirius-xm.  I can tell my Samsung device to do this and 
> google speakers can do this after you set it up.  You can not do this on 
> apple speakers,  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:42 AM, kliph miller Sr > <mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Its been publicly announced that serious XM will be allowed to be your 
>> default music service in IOS14.5
>> 
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>>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 5:28 PM, matthew dyer >> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> My only complante with apple is þ they don't have access to Sirius XM as 
>>> least not through the speaker.  I have considered a google home for that or 
>>> an amazon speaker.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 11:38 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod 
>>> Mini, USA Today
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
>>> problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
>>> Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
>>> And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even 
>>> on the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time 
>>> and totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So 
>>> I totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all 
>>> about me in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that 
>>> exists on a service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just 
>>> screwed up. This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. 
>>> The homePod‘s are really nice speakers in my opinion.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
>>>> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play 
>>>> every station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or 
>>>> iHeart.  You might give that another try.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
>>>> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
>>>> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
>>>> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
>>>> you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
>>>> 
>>>> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
>>>> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
>>>> mini.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten >>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t 
>>>>> think Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and 
>>>>> never mind privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter

Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[kliph miller Sr]

Its been publicly announced that serious XM will be allowed to be your default 
music service in IOS14.5

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> On Mar 15, 2021, at 5:28 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> My only complante with apple is þ they don't have access to Sirius XM as 
> least not through the speaker.  I have considered a google home for that or 
> an amazon speaker.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 11:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod 
> Mini, USA Today
> 
> Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
> problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
> Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
> And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even on 
> the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time and 
> totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So I 
> totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all about me 
> in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that exists on a 
> service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just screwed up. 
> This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. The homePod‘s 
> are really nice speakers in my opinion.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
>> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play every 
>> station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or iHeart.  You 
>> might give that another try.
>> 
>> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
>> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
>> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
>> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
>> you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
>> 
>> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
>> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
>> mini.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t think 
>>> Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and never mind 
>>> privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in these cases. 
>>> Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the world to play 
>>> reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t you switch 
>>> among music providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, better than Google 
>>> certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I can’t compare. I mean 
>>> really. HomePod aside, Siri still get an awful lot of stuff wrong, and 
>>> still sends you to the web Waymore than it should. Didn’t Apple say that 
>>> was one of their big focuses for this year? Well, they blew it. So now, I 
>>> have my nice HomePods which may or may not ever see any more upgrades. The 
>>> performance is not reliable. It’s not the speaker. It’s the infrastructure. 
>>> Apple screwed up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi, Mary,
 
 I'm sure everyone on this list knows I've had my frustrations with Siri. 
 lol That said, I'd still rather have Siri than either Alexa or Google. Not 
 that any company has a flawless track record, but I trust Apple's handling 
 of privacy issues much more than either Amazon or Google. Also, none of 
 the Amazon devices I've listened to sound as good as the HomePod does.
 
 I have a couple of minis and they're fine as sort of satellite  Siris that 
 can also play music. I have one in the bedroom, and one down in the 
 exercise room. Neither are places where I'm totally focused on the sound 
 quality so it's fine. But I would never want a Mini in one of the main 
 living spaces of the house.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with 
> the homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They 
> really have not done what they should be doing with 

Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

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I have a feeling apple has something big coming up, they never come to these 
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> Anders,
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> First, your probably right, my feedback won’t change anything. But at least 
> it’s worth a try. See the earlier thread for why discontinuing the homepod is 
> a bad decision. That’s been addressed already.
> Cheers,
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> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Why is that a bad decision?
>> Explain that to me please.
>> I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
>> There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to my 
>> country yet.
>> I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you give.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
>>> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to 
>>> do the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
>>> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: looking for a new iMac

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The M1 iMacs are rumored to be out sometime in the 2nd half of this year.  So 
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> I looked on the Apple store app on my phone and noticed they all had the 
> intel processor. Did I miss something or is the new Apple processor only on 
> the iPads and MacBooks ? Can anyone suggest what I might look at? All help 
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Audio editing?

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Re: Mac big sur m1 2020, doc question

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If you have a track pad, turn trackpad commander off, hold down the control 
key, and press the trackpad, this should bring up the menu you are looking for.


> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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> Hi,
> With this new mac, whenever I attempt to use the shortcut menu to remove an 
> app from the doc I am repeatedly sent to the finder. Is there something I am 
> doing wrong, or is it a quirky new thing with big sur?
> Thanks.
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Re: starting on a new mac - help with the set up

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> On Mar 6, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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> Thanks so much, I appreciate  your help.
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>> On Mar 6, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> This should be fairly simple. When you triple tap the power button after the 
>> computer is on, an accessibility dialog comes up. This dialog is self 
>> speaking. prestap once and it should say "voiceover" I believe pressing 
>> space then activates voiceover it might be return though. then you can leave 
>> that dialog and start configuring the system with VO. 
>> Have fun with your new MAC.
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Comparing VoiceOver and NVDA, Upcoming Panel Discussion

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>> compare Voiceover on Mac OS with NVDA on Windows. As promised, Kliph and I, 
>> along with our good friend John of Mac For the Blind, will host a reaction 
>> panel, in which we will discuss this article and our opinions of it. This 
>> discussion will be held in Zoom tonight at 8PM Eastern, 7PM Central, and you 
>> are all invited to join us. Come ask your questions and share your thoughts. 
>> The meeting link is the same one used by Trainer Kliph for some of his 
>> various training sessions, as well as for our monthly Bible study. It is:
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>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3116952583?pwd=SlFQZmVtbFZlNXppcmU4TmZGeDIwZz09
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> It changed in Big Sur. In Catalina and earlier, before the list of Mailboxes 
> was a separate grouping of Favorite Mailboxes.
> In Big Sur they are not a distinct groups, the easiest way to see Favorites 
> in the newer system is to go to the top of the list of Mailboxes. The first 
> line should say something like:
> Favorites 6 items add button.
> If you click the add button you can add additional mail folders to your 
> favorites.
> The big advantage to favorites is the builtin commands for them.
> command-1 will open the first favorite folder and. command-control-1 will 
> move a message to the first favorite mailbox. 
> These commands work up to at least 6  favorite folders.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 15:13, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> where are favorites on the Mac?
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
>>> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at 
>>> quickly.
>>> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it 
>>> there is a option to remove it from favorites.
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing 
 though.
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
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> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before 
> it starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear 
> that every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
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Re: Audio editing?

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Yes it would.


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm interested in Amadaeus pro. haven't bought it yet but am planning to. 
> would that one be included in this?
> 
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>> Ok, there was a discussion on this list and a few others about Audio Hijack 
>> pro, among other apps, I have learned how to use Audio Hijack, and a few 
>> others.  Want those who know how to edit audio, or who want to learn how to 
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

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Don’t know what the issue was before, but the iPhone can be on the table, iPad 
and Mac in the other room, and I can switch to them without having to touch any 
of the devices.  I wish there was a hot key, but going to the terminal and 
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> Hi Tracy,
> 
> That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do it 
> manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the exact 
> process, and the latest update may have made the process more streamline. 
> Joseph can speak to that better than I.
> 
> Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
> truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the 
> coffee table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. If 
> you're a qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!
> 
> BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more robust 
> editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and stuff like 
> that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do want the option 
> to do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the editor on the Mantis 
> is pretty good, but it has some file size limitations that didn't work for 
> me. That said, I'm still very interested in the Mantis, and I suspect that 
> eventually, I will own one.
> 
> The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. The 
> user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned my 
> unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
> drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
> back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my 
> unit. I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back 
> order was due to supply chain issues related to COVID.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays 
>> and new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to 
>> one device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on 
>> my iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus 
>> works with that device. 
>> 
>> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
>> need to reestablish the connection?
>> 
>> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
>> 
>> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m 
>> not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some 
>> slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
>>> size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
>>> very easy to type on.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
 but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
 
 Traci
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
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> Hi!
> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
> /A
> 
>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan > >:
>> 
>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>> 
>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com  If you are this 
>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier 
>>> displays.
>>> /A
>>> 

Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

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>> It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
> 1. This is a windows user
> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
> Note: I am not the author of this article!
> 
>> Introduction
>> The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or 
>> visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with 
>> modern computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers 
>> have been very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to 
>> obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet 
>> capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we 
>> will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop 
>> Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own 
>> right, but they have their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in 
>> more detail. Hopefully by the end of this article, you will have a better 
>> understanding of each product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
>> 
>> NVDA
>> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
>> reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind 
>> the project is an Australian company called NV Access (www.nvaccess.org 
>> ). It has been around since 2006 and primarily 
>> competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom 
>> Scientific or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the same 
>> features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen reader 
>> users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered 
>> free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no longer a 
>> financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do anything else on a 
>> computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from individuals or 
>> grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very much worth it 
>> to help this amazing project continue long into the future. The obvious 
>> benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field with 
>> sighted peers at no more cost than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also 
>> free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add new 
>> features.
>> 
>> Since NVDA is open source , 
>> anyone is free to review the source code and propose changes. While anyone 
>> can propose a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and approved by NV 
>> Access before it is included in anything anyone can download. This ensures 
>> the security of the software from unauthorised changes and means that the 
>> final product available from https://www.nvaccess.org/ 
>>  is just as secure and well vetted as the closed 
>> source from another company. Thousands of people from all over the world 
>> constantly contribute to the project which benefits everyone in the end. 
>> NVDA is a screen reader made for the blind by the blind. NV Access is 
>> overseen by a board of directors (of whom at least 33% must be blind or 
>> vision impaired, according to their constitution 
>> .
>> 
>> VoiceOver
>> VoiceOver  is 
>> Apple’s built-in and the only screen reader for the Mac. It has been around 
>> since 2005, although the last significant update was in 2011 with Mac OS X 
>> Lion. VoiceOver works well with Apple’s built-in apps and used to be very 
>> reliable. Since it is built into the system, anyone can walk up to a Mac 
>> running a modern version of macOS and get it talking by pressing Command+F5. 
>> Apple should be commended for building a very capable screen reader into the 
>> system and showing the rest of the world that it is possible to build very 
>> robust accessibility features into mainstream products.
>> 
>> As previously mentioned, however, VoiceOver is not as reliable as it could 
>> or should be. Apple has not made significant changes in nearly a decade, and 
>> bugs are rarely if ever fixed. Issues have piled up over the years and the 
>> experience, while still good, is far from satisfactory depending on the 
>> tasks you wish to do. The latest trend appears to be introducing bugs that 
>> make certain things unusable. For example, there is a bug in macOS Big Sur 
>> where VoiceOver crashes when opening the Disk Utility application in macOS 
>> Recovery mode 
>> .
>>  This is absolutely unacceptable and would be fixed promptly if it was 
>> impacting sighted users, yet someone somewhere decided it was okay to 
>> release with this broken feature for blind users. This goes against Apple’s 
>> commitment to accessibility 
>>  and the high 
>> standard of quality many would 

Audio editing?

[kliph miller Sr]

Ok, there was a discussion on this list and a few others about Audio Hijack 
pro, among other apps, I have learned how to use Audio Hijack, and a few 
others.  Want those who know how to edit audio, or who want to learn how to 
edit audio to join me in mastering this for podcasts or just in your free time. 
 Subscribe here
audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io

Don’t join just to add another group to your list of groups your in.  Thanks

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Any Audio Hijack users?

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If you are a user of Audio Hijack, and want to exchange tips and hints, please 
email me off list, trying  to get to know this app, but confused about a few 
things.
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Farrago?

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Anyone here use farrago for the mac?  I have it pretty much figured out, but 
have a few questions.  If anyone does, email me at
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Thanks


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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

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Don’t know if this makes a difference, but using Big Sur on a Mac Mini with M1, 
when I get a call, I just command tab to the FaceTime window, and right arrow 
to the except button.  Works every time


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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Messages is pretty easy, Select the conversation you want to delete and do 
> VO Shift M for the context menu. You will then see the delete option. As for 
> notifications, do VO O for the notification and widgets. Interact with 
> notifications and VO right to the one you want, do VO shift space and you can 
> select your option that you want to do.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 17:02, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a similar questions for notifications on the Mac.
>> 
>> How do you get rid of notifications once you have them?  If I put my cursor 
>> on any, I get a bleep.  I get lots of bleeps when something isn’t working 
>> with Big Sur.
>> 
>> I hate messages on the Mac now as it’s not easy to delete the messages now 
>> and I wish that Apple didn’t change the way the messages were on the Mac.  I 
>> know this is unrelated but I had to say this as it’s stressful.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
 On 28 Dec 2020, at 21:29, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Herbie,
  
 As John describes in that message below, prior to the Big Sur update that 
 is exactly how it worked for me – just and easy swipe or VO-left/right and 
 press the accept button. Now, with the update to Big Sur there is no 
 simple way to just navigate to the accept button when the call comes in.
  
 Eileen
 From: Herbie Allen
 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
  
 Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
 FaceTime calls.
  
 
 On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese  wrote:
  
   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
 accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification 
 center to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for 
 me, the VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just 
 have to navigate to the, accept, button.
  
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
 
> On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> John,
>  
> Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
> doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
> comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>  
>   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the 
> options. You can then VO-spacebar.
>  
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Hello All,
>>  
>> Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
>> to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O 
>> takes me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try 
>> and find the answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place 
>> out-going with Face Time, however.
>>  
>> Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, 
>> is it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?
>>  
>> I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
>> that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
>> rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe 
>> on the track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.
>>  
>> Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications 
>> since I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their 
>> tech support.