Re: A question about reading subtitling with VO
Hi again, And if we tried to read the captions with the mouse cursor? 1) in VoiceOver Utilities check the option read everything under the mouse 2) Put the mouse on the caption: a) with VO+left; VO+right put the VoiceOver on the caption. VO+shift +down to enter in the caption's element. Then Vo+right until the middle of caption. b) call mouse pointer to VoiceOver Cursor with VO+command+F5 3) Now play the video (VO+space on play/pause button) and put the head of index finger in contact with touchpad (don't scroll it). If you balance the head of index finger right and left - that produce a very small movement in the mouse pointer, sufficient to refresh the next caption. Is not the good solution but is sufficient to access to close captions with VoiceOver. You could check an example, in portuguese, of this with the Debtocracy Documentary at: http://universalaccess.blogspot.com/2011/07/voiceover-no-lion-cegos-leem-legendas.html Seems me if we could control the mouse pointer with cursor-routing keys of display braille this could be more accurately controlled, and we could continue to listen the caption or either read it in display braille - course, we need to be a very faster braille reader!. Cheers, Jorge Fernandes On Jul 19, 10:21 pm, Jorge Fernandes jor...@sidar.org wrote: Seems me you right, Chris. But maybe the wrong isn't the way that Google implement the caption but how Apple implement the hotspots. I'll send to Apple our discussion, to see if it is possible to do something or to give us more information about how to use the hotspot. Another option, if VisioVoice (from AssistiveWare) read the srt or txt file [1] respecting the timetables (we coded in this files) it will be possible to produce one audio file to syncronised with our movie. Is not the same, but maybe works... Thanks, Jorge -- [1] typical file format with captions to syncronized with a movie. [00:00:09.36] Bom dia ! [00:00:11.00] [00:00:11.92] Antes de iniciar a minha comunicação queria agradecer a vossa presença [00:00:15.64] [00:00:16.00] uma vez que temos o privilégio, enquanto Centro de Recursos de Inclusão Digital, [00:00:21.84] On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Seems like hotspots would do the trick but I couldn't get it to work. Under the hood there is a span with a class of captions-text which I assume is where my hotspot is attached when I set one. But when the next caption is inserted, instead of updating the text inside that span the entire span is destroyed and re-created. I'm guessing this breaks the hotspot assignment. This seems to be the case because just after the text changes doing a VO-command-1 (for the #1 hotspot I had assigned) say Hot spot no longer exists. This is one of those cases where not doing the right thing under the hood has negative conseques for assistive technology. I've seen similar things with web-based chat clients that redrew the entire chat roll rather than append one new item, causing AT to read the entire conversation every time. Not sure how to get that fixed. Probably considered an edge case since most VO users wouldn't want to hear the captions in addition to the audio. CB On 7/13/11 5:45 AM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Hi, Since the launched of Youtube videos in HTML5 that it is possible to control all the buttons of the video interfaces with VoiceOver. I also noted that it is possible to read the subtitles, but I need continuosly press VO+left arrow VO+right arrow to positioning the cursor under the subtitles. VoiceOver read 1 subtitle and then stop, either when a new subtitle is already on the screen. I need continuously to jump to line before and then back to, current line to make VO read the subtitle. Is it possible we configure the VoiceOver to permanently read the subtitles in sequence, when they appear on screen? Something like a monitoring an HotSpot and when something new appear in that position read it? Thanks, Jorge Fernandes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about reading subtitling with VO
That would require some pretty close synch with the video playback engine to let VO know when the video was paused, rewound etc. Probably best to let VO read the end result which is the ticking text of the caption and let the player keep that caption text in sync with the video. CB On 7/19/11 5:21 PM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Seems me you right, Chris. But maybe the wrong isn't the way that Google implement the caption but how Apple implement the hotspots. I'll send to Apple our discussion, to see if it is possible to do something or to give us more information about how to use the hotspot. Another option, if VisioVoice (from AssistiveWare) read the srt or txt file [1] respecting the timetables (we coded in this files) it will be possible to produce one audio file to syncronised with our movie. Is not the same, but maybe works... Thanks, Jorge -- [1] typical file format with captions to syncronized with a movie. [00:00:09.36] Bom dia ! [00:00:11.00] [00:00:11.92] Antes de iniciar a minha comunicação queria agradecer a vossa presença [00:00:15.64] [00:00:16.00] uma vez que temos o privilégio, enquanto Centro de Recursos de Inclusão Digital, [00:00:21.84] On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, Chris Blouchcblo...@aol.com wrote: Seems like hotspots would do the trick but I couldn't get it to work. Under the hood there is a span with a class of captions-text which I assume is where my hotspot is attached when I set one. But when the next caption is inserted, instead of updating the text inside that span the entire span is destroyed and re-created. I'm guessing this breaks the hotspot assignment. This seems to be the case because just after the text changes doing a VO-command-1 (for the #1 hotspot I had assigned) say Hot spot no longer exists. This is one of those cases where not doing the right thing under the hood has negative conseques for assistive technology. I've seen similar things with web-based chat clients that redrew the entire chat roll rather than append one new item, causing AT to read the entire conversation every time. Not sure how to get that fixed. Probably considered an edge case since most VO users wouldn't want to hear the captions in addition to the audio. CB On 7/13/11 5:45 AM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Hi, Since the launched of Youtube videos in HTML5 that it is possible to control all the buttons of the video interfaces with VoiceOver. I also noted that it is possible to read the subtitles, but I need continuosly press VO+left arrow VO+right arrow to positioning the cursor under the subtitles. VoiceOver read 1 subtitle and then stop, either when a new subtitle is already on the screen. I need continuously to jump to line before and then back to, current line to make VO read the subtitle. Is it possible we configure the VoiceOver to permanently read the subtitles in sequence, when they appear on screen? Something like a monitoring an HotSpot and when something new appear in that position read it? Thanks, Jorge Fernandes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about reading subtitling with VO
Seems me you right, Chris. But maybe the wrong isn't the way that Google implement the caption but how Apple implement the hotspots. I'll send to Apple our discussion, to see if it is possible to do something or to give us more information about how to use the hotspot. Another option, if VisioVoice (from AssistiveWare) read the srt or txt file [1] respecting the timetables (we coded in this files) it will be possible to produce one audio file to syncronised with our movie. Is not the same, but maybe works... Thanks, Jorge -- [1] typical file format with captions to syncronized with a movie. [00:00:09.36] Bom dia ! [00:00:11.00] [00:00:11.92] Antes de iniciar a minha comunicação queria agradecer a vossa presença [00:00:15.64] [00:00:16.00] uma vez que temos o privilégio, enquanto Centro de Recursos de Inclusão Digital, [00:00:21.84] On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Seems like hotspots would do the trick but I couldn't get it to work. Under the hood there is a span with a class of captions-text which I assume is where my hotspot is attached when I set one. But when the next caption is inserted, instead of updating the text inside that span the entire span is destroyed and re-created. I'm guessing this breaks the hotspot assignment. This seems to be the case because just after the text changes doing a VO-command-1 (for the #1 hotspot I had assigned) say Hot spot no longer exists. This is one of those cases where not doing the right thing under the hood has negative conseques for assistive technology. I've seen similar things with web-based chat clients that redrew the entire chat roll rather than append one new item, causing AT to read the entire conversation every time. Not sure how to get that fixed. Probably considered an edge case since most VO users wouldn't want to hear the captions in addition to the audio. CB On 7/13/11 5:45 AM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Hi, Since the launched of Youtube videos in HTML5 that it is possible to control all the buttons of the video interfaces with VoiceOver. I also noted that it is possible to read the subtitles, but I need continuosly press VO+left arrow VO+right arrow to positioning the cursor under the subtitles. VoiceOver read 1 subtitle and then stop, either when a new subtitle is already on the screen. I need continuously to jump to line before and then back to, current line to make VO read the subtitle. Is it possible we configure the VoiceOver to permanently read the subtitles in sequence, when they appear on screen? Something like a monitoring an HotSpot and when something new appear in that position read it? Thanks, Jorge Fernandes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A question about reading subtitling with VO
Hi, Since the launched of Youtube videos in HTML5 that it is possible to control all the buttons of the video interfaces with VoiceOver. I also noted that it is possible to read the subtitles, but I need continuosly press VO+left arrow VO+right arrow to positioning the cursor under the subtitles. VoiceOver read 1 subtitle and then stop, either when a new subtitle is already on the screen. I need continuously to jump to line before and then back to, current line to make VO read the subtitle. Is it possible we configure the VoiceOver to permanently read the subtitles in sequence, when they appear on screen? Something like a monitoring an HotSpot and when something new appear in that position read it? Thanks, Jorge Fernandes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about reading subtitling with VO
Seems like hotspots would do the trick but I couldn't get it to work. Under the hood there is a span with a class of captions-text which I assume is where my hotspot is attached when I set one. But when the next caption is inserted, instead of updating the text inside that span the entire span is destroyed and re-created. I'm guessing this breaks the hotspot assignment. This seems to be the case because just after the text changes doing a VO-command-1 (for the #1 hotspot I had assigned) say Hot spot no longer exists. This is one of those cases where not doing the right thing under the hood has negative conseques for assistive technology. I've seen similar things with web-based chat clients that redrew the entire chat roll rather than append one new item, causing AT to read the entire conversation every time. Not sure how to get that fixed. Probably considered an edge case since most VO users wouldn't want to hear the captions in addition to the audio. CB On 7/13/11 5:45 AM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Hi, Since the launched of Youtube videos in HTML5 that it is possible to control all the buttons of the video interfaces with VoiceOver. I also noted that it is possible to read the subtitles, but I need continuosly press VO+left arrow VO+right arrow to positioning the cursor under the subtitles. VoiceOver read 1 subtitle and then stop, either when a new subtitle is already on the screen. I need continuously to jump to line before and then back to, current line to make VO read the subtitle. Is it possible we configure the VoiceOver to permanently read the subtitles in sequence, when they appear on screen? Something like a monitoring an HotSpot and when something new appear in that position read it? Thanks, Jorge Fernandes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
