Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I just didn't know anything about favorites. never used them or looked at them.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Some Favorites may be in the Favorites area by default.  Others must be added.
> This is nothing new.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:30, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
> how often they're used?
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Brad Snyder 
Some Favorites may be in the Favorites area by default.  Others must be added.
This is nothing new.

- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:30, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
how often they're used?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Lorie McCloud 
do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
how often they're used?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Brad Snyder 
The behavior I described has been true for all versions of Apple mail, going 
back for as long as I have been using a Mac. This is not something that's new 
in either Big Sur or Monterey.

- Brad -

On Dec 29, 2021, at 15:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Oh, I see what you’re talking about.  If I don’t use VO keys, the only thing 
the arrow keys do is expand and collapse the mailbox.  Again, this is in Big 
Sur.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
> Arrow keys).
> If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
> keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
> When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
> headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
> These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
> navigation commands.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the 
> mailboxes expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
>> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
>> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
>> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  
>> I am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
>> 
>> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
>> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
 Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
 The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
 of the Mailbox list.
 The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
 Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
 These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
 if you wish.
 Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
 on your Mac.
 Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
 active in your Apple Mail client.
 If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
 above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
 DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
 When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
 group and each mail account..
 If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can 
 expand it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any 
 group as well.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
 Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
 say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
 think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Oh, I see what you’re talking about.  If I don’t use VO keys, the only thing 
the arrow keys do is expand and collapse the mailbox.  Again, this is in Big 
Sur.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
> Arrow keys).
> If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
> keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
> When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
> headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
> These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
> navigation commands.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the 
> mailboxes expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
>> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
>> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
>> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  
>> I am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
>> 
>> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
>> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
 Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
 The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
 of the Mailbox list.
 The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
 Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
 These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
 if you wish.
 Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
 on your Mac.
 Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
 active in your Apple Mail client.
 If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
 above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
 DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
 When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
 group and each mail account..
 If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can 
 expand it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any 
 group as well.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
 Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
 say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
 think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Brad Snyder 
After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
Arrow keys).
If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
navigation commands.

HTH.


- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the mailboxes 
expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
> am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
> 
> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the mailboxes 
expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
> am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
> 
> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Brad Snyder 
1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not find 
the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is collapse, you 
will not be informed of this information.
I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
am sure you will find things you did not know were there.

2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".

- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
Monterrey will those things change?

2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
conversation view?
TIA,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
> other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
> other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
> and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Hi Alia,

Thanks.  I’d disabled it in the View Menu in All Inboxes, but didn’t realize I 
needed to do that for each mailbox.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:11 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> nothing should change too much if you upgrade. go to the view menu to disable 
> conversations.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
 Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
 The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
 of the Mailbox list.
 The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
 Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
 These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
 if you wish.
 Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
 on your Mac.
 Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
 active in your Apple Mail client.
 If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
 above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
 DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
 When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
 group and each mail account..
 If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can 
 expand it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any 
 group as well.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
 Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
 say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
 think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread alia robinson 
nothing should change too much if you upgrade. go to the view menu to disable 
conversations.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Hi all,

So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
Monterrey will those things change?

2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
conversation view?
TIA,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
> other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
> other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
> and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Les Kriegler 
Yes, I often do not interact with the mailbox table. That might be why I’m not 
seeing it. I like to use first letter navigation when I can. I have to Mail 
accounts and I can generally jump between them using that method when I am in 
the mailbox list. It beats using the up-and-down arrows which I also have to do 
sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Brad Snyder 
I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.

- Brad -

On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Brad,

I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one locate 
the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s probably not a 
mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud pops up. But I 
don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Les Kriegler 
Hi Brad,

I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one locate 
the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s probably not a 
mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud pops up. But I 
don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-29 Thread Brad Snyder 
The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big Sur.  
There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
the Mailbox list.
The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent Items, 
for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
you wish.
Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
your Mac.
Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
active in your Apple Mail client.
If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
and each mail account..
If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand it 
using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as well.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in Apple 
mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't say the 
name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I think I just 
can't find iCloud. how does this work?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-28 Thread joseph hudson 
Hi Lori, you need to make sure all them boxes are expanded. Once you're in the 
mailbox table, you should be able to arrow down and see which mailboxes are 
available.

> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:10 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
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> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
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> Lorie
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Apple mail in Monterey

2021-12-28 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in Apple 
mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't say the 
name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I think I just 
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