Apple Mail in Catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

How do the toggle buttons work in Apple mail? What does Toggle mailbox do for 
example and how is it activated?

thanks.
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Apple mail in catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

What do I need to do to set up my mail in Catalina closest to classic view? Do 
I want column view or not? Also I want to separate my 2 mailboxes. Currently 
everything’s all in one inbox. 

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Re: Apple mail in Catalina

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Lorie,

Congratulations on successfully installing macOS Catalina.

I have not found a use for the filter at the top of the message list.  It seems 
to report how mail is sorted, but serves no other purpose that I can tell
To change sort order of items in the message list, go to:
MenuBar > View > Sort By, where you can select Date.  In this menu, you can 
also select if you want the newest or oldest message on top.

Also, there is no longer Classic View in Catalina’s Mail app.  If this is your 
preference, you will want to go to the View menu as above, and enable Column 
View, which is pretty much the same as the old Classic View.

HTH.

- Brad -


On Nov 25, 2020, at 01:22, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I just successfully installed Catalina. in mail, when I press 
command-option-up-arrow while in messages it took me to the top of the message 
list. this time though I got a filter. it says: "arrange by subject" I can 
enable it or not. where is arrange by date?

thanks.
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Apple mail in Catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

I just successfully installed Catalina. in mail, when I press 
command-option-up-arrow while in messages it took me to the top of the message 
list. this time though I got a filter. it says: "arrange by subject" I can 
enable it or not. where is arrange by date?

thanks.
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,

Thanks for this. I didn't know it would work in Catalina.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> While Classic view is not available in Catalina, there is a similar 
> alternative called Column layout, that can be enabled from within the View 
> menu, in the Menu Bar of the Mail app.
> 
> The preview pane that appears either below or to the right of the mailbox 
> content area can be disabled as follows:
> 1.  With VoiceOver focus on the mailbox content area, VO + Right Arrow one 
> time to place focus on the splitter.  If the preview pane is set to appear 
> below the mailbox content area, this is a horizontal splitter.
> 2.  Use VO + SHIFT + Down Arrow to interact with the splitter.
> 3.  Once you have interacted with the horizontal splitter, use VO + Down 
> Arrow to set the splitter to 100%, which totally collapses the splitter and 
> eliminates the preview pane altogether.
> 4.  Use VO + SHIFT + Up Arrow to stop interacting with the splitter, and you 
> are done.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have not yet upgraded to Catalina, but am considering doing so, since I 
> find myself with time on my hands. I currently use the classic view in Mail, 
> and have preview disabled. I know we lose classic view in Catalina, but is 
> there a way to disable the preview?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Paul Parravano > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
>> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
>> messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[John Panarese]

Hi Brad,
I’ll have to mess with this in Catalina. I know in passed versions of the 
OS, there were inconsistencies in how Notification settings effected actual 
apps. This might actually solve my own problems with Mail notifications.


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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I believe the correct resolution to this issue is within Notification 
> preferences.  By default, Catalina displays a banner notification that 
> briefly appears in the upper right corner of the screen for each incoming 
> mail item.  When this banner appears, it is read aloud by VoiceOver.  This 
> can be disabled in Notification preferences, while allowing both the incoming 
> mail sound and badge app icon number to continue.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:33, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>   You can go into Mail Preferences in the general pane and choose to have 
> notifications only come with VIPs or another mailbox. By default, the inbox 
> is the selected mailbox in which new messages are read. This is an option I 
> have always wished the VoiceOver user could adjust to their own preferences.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Paul Parravano > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
>> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
>> messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Donna,

While Classic view is not available in Catalina, there is a similar alternative 
called Column layout, that can be enabled from within the View menu, in the 
Menu Bar of the Mail app.

The preview pane that appears either below or to the right of the mailbox 
content area can be disabled as follows:
1.  With VoiceOver focus on the mailbox content area, VO + Right Arrow one time 
to place focus on the splitter.  If the preview pane is set to appear below the 
mailbox content area, this is a horizontal splitter.
2.  Use VO + SHIFT + Down Arrow to interact with the splitter.
3.  Once you have interacted with the horizontal splitter, use VO + Down Arrow 
to set the splitter to 100%, which totally collapses the splitter and 
eliminates the preview pane altogether.
4.  Use VO + SHIFT + Up Arrow to stop interacting with the splitter, and you 
are done.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

I have not yet upgraded to Catalina, but am considering doing so, since I find 
myself with time on my hands. I currently use the classic view in Mail, and 
have preview disabled. I know we lose classic view in Catalina, but is there a 
way to disable the preview?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
> messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[Brad Snyder]

I believe the correct resolution to this issue is within Notification 
preferences.  By default, Catalina displays a banner notification that briefly 
appears in the upper right corner of the screen for each incoming mail item.  
When this banner appears, it is read aloud by VoiceOver.  This can be disabled 
in Notification preferences, while allowing both the incoming mail sound and 
badge app icon number to continue.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:33, John Panarese  wrote:

  You can go into Mail Preferences in the general pane and choose to have 
notifications only come with VIPs or another mailbox. By default, the inbox is 
the selected mailbox in which new messages are read. This is an option I have 
always wished the VoiceOver user could adjust to their own preferences.


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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
> messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Paul
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[Paul Parravano]

Works great with this helpful reminder. You had me just right.

Thanks again,

Paul



> On Mar 22, 2020, at 12:20, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  You have to use the VO-arrows to be able to read the descriptions before 
> each item. If you only use the tab key to navigate, it only jumps to each 
> control.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you John. I’ve made the change as you suggested. Not sure why I wasn’t 
>> able to read the title of each item under the general pane. I needed to have 
>> a sighted person tell me which one was the notification item. VoiceOver only 
>> said “inbox only”. I only heard the actual setting, and not what they 
>> referred to.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:33, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can go into Mail Preferences in the general pane and choose to have 
>>> notifications only come with VIPs or another mailbox. By default, the inbox 
>>> is the selected mailbox in which new messages are read. This is an option I 
>>> have always wished the VoiceOver user could adjust to their own preferences.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
 
 I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
 interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
 messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
 
 Many thanks,
 
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh good! I would also hate being interrupted by VO reading previews for 
incoming mail. Thanks, John.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:47 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I believe in Mail Preferences in the Viewing Pane, you can set the preview 
> to, None. It’s 1 or 2 lines by default, but it’s a popup menu.
> 
> 
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>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have not yet upgraded to Catalina, but am considering doing so, since I 
>> find myself with time on my hands. I currently use the classic view in Mail, 
>> and have preview disabled. I know we lose classic view in Catalina, but is 
>> there a way to disable the preview?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
>>> 
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>>> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
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>>> 
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[John Panarese]

  You have to use the VO-arrows to be able to read the descriptions before each 
item. If you only use the tab key to navigate, it only jumps to each control.


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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> Thank you John. I’ve made the change as you suggested. Not sure why I wasn’t 
> able to read the title of each item under the general pane. I needed to have 
> a sighted person tell me which one was the notification item. VoiceOver only 
> said “inbox only”. I only heard the actual setting, and not what they 
> referred to.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:33, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  You can go into Mail Preferences in the general pane and choose to have 
>> notifications only come with VIPs or another mailbox. By default, the inbox 
>> is the selected mailbox in which new messages are read. This is an option I 
>> have always wished the VoiceOver user could adjust to their own preferences.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
>>> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
>>> messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Paul
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[Paul Parravano]

Thank you John. I’ve made the change as you suggested. Not sure why I wasn’t 
able to read the title of each item under the general pane. I needed to have a 
sighted person tell me which one was the notification item. VoiceOver only said 
“inbox only”. I only heard the actual setting, and not what they referred to.

Best,

Paul



> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:33, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   You can go into Mail Preferences in the general pane and choose to have 
> notifications only come with VIPs or another mailbox. By default, the inbox 
> is the selected mailbox in which new messages are read. This is an option I 
> have always wished the VoiceOver user could adjust to their own preferences.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
>> 
>> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
>> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
>> messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[John Panarese]

  I believe in Mail Preferences in the Viewing Pane, you can set the preview 
to, None. It’s 1 or 2 lines by default, but it’s a popup menu.



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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I have not yet upgraded to Catalina, but am considering doing so, since I 
> find myself with time on my hands. I currently use the classic view in Mail, 
> and have preview disabled. I know we lose classic view in Catalina, but is 
> there a way to disable the preview?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
>> 
>> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
>> interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving 
>> messages. Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?
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>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I have not yet upgraded to Catalina, but am considering doing so, since I find 
myself with time on my hands. I currently use the classic view in Mail, and 
have preview disabled. I know we lose classic view in Catalina, but is there a 
way to disable the preview?
Cheers,
Donna

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> 
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Re: Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[John Panarese]

   You can go into Mail Preferences in the general pane and choose to have 
notifications only come with VIPs or another mailbox. By default, the inbox is 
the selected mailbox in which new messages are read. This is an option I have 
always wished the VoiceOver user could adjust to their own preferences.


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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
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> I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
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Question please regarding Apple mail in Catalina

[Paul Parravano]

I am a new Catalina user. While reading messages in Apple mail, I am 
interrupted regularly by VoiceOver reading previews of newly arriving messages. 
Any way to stop this disruptive behavior?

Many thanks,

Paul

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