Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Paul,

That’s a problem. It’s quite a story, but I’ll tell you all I know. I have 
bootcamp installed and it went successfully on my mac mini late 2012. However, 
on a macbook air from a friend from 2013, it did not work at all. Yes you can 
boot Bryan’s DVD and you will get to a windows desktop soon where NVDA is 
running indeed, but you have no drivers, so that interaction with the system is 
impossible. There is no keyboard driver inside Bryan’s DVD, that supports your 
macbook air keyboard. Likewise, there is no compatible mouse driver so you 
cannot use the mouse. Likewise, the talking DVD does not have the macbook air 
sound driver as far as I’m aware, so you won’t hear anything from NVDA at all. 
I tried plugging in a USB keyboard, a USB mouse and a USB sound system, but 
with no luck. If the talking windows installer DVD can be used on a macbook air 
at all, I hope we will hear how to work that thing, for on other systems, it is 
very usable and useful. What follows is my experience on my mac mini late 2012. 
If that’s not what you think can help you, by all means skip the rest.

You will go through these steps:
1. Get and burn Bryan’s dvd.
2. Go through the bootcamp assistant and at the reboot, turn off your mac.
3. Install windows using Bryan’s DVD.
4. Finish the rest of the installation, either with a sighted person or using 
fusion.

Regarding step 1: Bryan’s DVD.
I would advise you to use the large Bryan archive, as that contains a working 
installer for an entire windows 7 system. Once you have the iso image, have a 
capable program burn its contents on to a dvd. Then leave that DVD for a while.

Regarding step 2: running bootcamp assistant.
Before going ahead, first have a USB flash drive, stick or key ready, and 
format it as fat32. 
>From the utilities folder on your mac, run the bootcamp assistant. It will let 
>you perform these 3 tasks, and I would advise you to let it do all of them.
A. Unfortunately, it will ask for a USB drive or USB stick, onto which bootcamp 
assistant will then copy the windows installation files. Just to satisfy the 
bootcamp assistand on the mac, you will have to let it do this, or you won’t 
get your bootcamp partition created afterwards. You won’t need this windows 
installer because we are going to use Bryan’s, but bootcamp wants you to go 
through this. Bootcamp assistant wants an iso file, or a physical DVD with an 
official windows installer, supposedly to proove that you indeed own one. It 
reads windows off of your dvd or iso file, and transfers those files over to 
the USB flash drive, which again, you don’t really need.

b. Windows does not know how to listen to your keyboard on your mac, nor how to 
listen to the mouse, or how to send sound out through your mac speakers. For 
all kinds of hardware, windows drivers are required. Once you run the bootcamp 
assistant, you can enable a checkbox that lets it download the specific set of 
drivers for your very mac. Just check that box and let it do that, because once 
done, you will have a windows installation USB flash drive, that also has a 
directory on it for the bootcamp, i.e. mac hardware in windows drivers. And you 
need those after installing windows. You will also need nvda, so download that 
and put it on the USB flash drive for later. I would rename the official NVDA 
installer to NVDA.exe.

c. Next, bootcamp installer will ask you how much space to allocate to windows 
on your hard drive. That space is taken away from OS 10. There is a slider that 
lets you devide your disk, and after each nudge of the slider, you move off of 
it, to read the labels telling you how much space is now set aside for windows.
 Then, the bootcamp assistand utility will reboot your mac. Normally, a sighted 
person would then continue the installation from the USB key, and then, after 
windows is installed, install the bootcamp drivers, to enable all mac hardware 
functions inside windows. However, for us that is a different matter. What I do 
when the reboot comes, is turn off the mac entirely, and then boot from Bryan’s 
DVD.

If you have not seen Bryan’s dvd in action, here’s what it does. After you boot 
it, you will land on the windows 7 desktop. But this is a very minimal system. 
What’s great about it, is that NVDA is already running. You can do all sorts of 
things like inserting a USB drive, running programs from it etc. Besides, you 
will find the windows 7 installer right away through the computer icon, in xp 
that was my computer, so from there it’s easy, because you now have speech 
during the windows installation. But on a mac, it’s not that easy.

On my mac mini where all went fine after all, I had no sound initially, after I 
started from Bryan’s DVD. So, I plugged in a pair of usb speakers and booted 
the dvd again. This time, still no sound. The USB external speakers are 
functioning, but with a volume of zero.
So I attached my braille display, an Alva bc 640, which did not work either, 

Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

It works just fine on a MacBook Air. I did this to install Boot Camp 
several months ago, and all I needed was the regular earpods (though it 
probably doesn't matter as long as you plug something into the 3.5MM 
jack.) I didn't have speech when I did not use the EarPods, although 
some people have gotten USB audio to work with headsets.


I just tried this again to see if it still works on my Mid2012 MacBook 
Air 11 inch, and it works fine. Keyboard and mouse included, because it 
uses generic drivers. Obviously that means FN doesn't work, at least not 
on mine, but it works fine otherwise.


Nicolai

On 12/2/2015 7:43 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi Paul,

That’s a problem. It’s quite a story, but I’ll tell you all I know. I 
have bootcamp installed and it went successfully on my mac mini late 
2012. However, on a macbook air from a friend from 2013, it did not 
work at all. Yes you can boot Bryan’s DVD and you will get to a 
windows desktop soon where NVDA is running indeed, but you have no 
drivers, so that interaction with the system is impossible. There is 
no keyboard driver inside Bryan’s DVD, that supports your macbook air 
keyboard. Likewise, there is no compatible mouse driver so you cannot 
use the mouse. Likewise, the talking DVD does not have the macbook air 
sound driver as far as I’m aware, so you won’t hear anything from NVDA 
at all. I tried plugging in a USB keyboard, a USB mouse and a USB 
sound system, but with no luck. If the talking windows installer DVD 
can be used on a macbook air at all, I hope we will hear how to work 
that thing, for on other systems, it is very usable and useful. What 
follows is my experience on my mac mini late 2012. If that’s not what 
you think can help you, by all means skip the rest.


You will go through these steps:
1. Get and burn Bryan’s dvd.
2. Go through the bootcamp assistant and at the reboot, turn off your mac.
3. Install windows using Bryan’s DVD.
4. Finish the rest of the installation, either with a sighted person 
or using fusion.


Regarding step 1: Bryan’s DVD.
I would advise you to use the large Bryan archive, as that contains a 
working installer for an entire windows 7 system. Once you have the 
iso image, have a capable program burn its contents on to a dvd. Then 
leave that DVD for a while.


Regarding step 2: running bootcamp assistant.
Before going ahead, first have a USB flash drive, stick or key ready, 
and format it as fat32.
From the utilities folder on your mac, run the bootcamp assistant. It 
will let you perform these 3 tasks, and I would advise you to let it 
do all of them.
A. Unfortunately, it will ask for a USB drive or USB stick, onto which 
bootcamp assistant will then copy the windows installation files. Just 
to satisfy the bootcamp assistand on the mac, you will have to let it 
do this, or you won’t get your bootcamp partition created afterwards. 
You won’t need this windows installer because we are going to use 
Bryan’s, but bootcamp wants you to go through this. Bootcamp assistant 
wants an iso file, or a physical DVD with an official windows 
installer, supposedly to proove that you indeed own one. It reads 
windows off of your dvd or iso file, and transfers those files over to 
the USB flash drive, which again, you don’t really need.


b. Windows does not know how to listen to your keyboard on your mac, 
nor how to listen to the mouse, or how to send sound out through your 
mac speakers. For all kinds of hardware, windows drivers are required. 
Once you run the bootcamp assistant, you can enable a checkbox that 
lets it download the specific set of drivers for your very mac. Just 
check that box and let it do that, because once done, you will have a 
windows installation USB flash drive, that also has a directory on it 
for the bootcamp, i.e. mac hardware in windows drivers. And you need 
those after installing windows. You will also need nvda, so download 
that and put it on the USB flash drive for later. I would rename the 
official NVDA installer to NVDA.exe.


c. Next, bootcamp installer will ask you how much space to allocate to 
windows on your hard drive. That space is taken away from OS 10. There 
is a slider that lets you devide your disk, and after each nudge of 
the slider, you move off of it, to read the labels telling you how 
much space is now set aside for windows.
 Then, the bootcamp assistand utility will reboot your mac. Normally, 
a sighted person would then continue the installation from the USB 
key, and then, after windows is installed, install the bootcamp 
drivers, to enable all mac hardware functions inside windows. However, 
for us that is a different matter. What I do when the reboot comes, is 
turn off the mac entirely, and then boot from Bryan’s DVD.


If you have not seen Bryan’s dvd in action, here’s what it does. After 
you boot it, you will land on the windows 7 desktop. But this is a 
very minimal system. What’s great about it, is that NVDA is already 
running. You can do all 

Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[mattias]

and if you dont have a external cdrom for bootcamp?

Den 2015-11-19 kl. kl 16:21, skrev Nicolai Svendsen:

Hi!

Have you tried plugging in earbuds, like the ones from Apple?

That sometimes does the trick. My Mac doesn't speak either unless I plug those 
in, and I know people who've had to do this as well. Bryan's page claims it 
does not support USB audio, but I've also connected USB headsets to the 
installer in the past.

Nicolai

On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:

I've tried both images. Neither of which I can get to talk. Both will however 
boot up onto the desktop I've had somebody visually verify. iMessage Brian on 
Twitter, and he says he doesn't know why it doesn't work with some Macs.

Sent from Pablo's iPhone


On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:25 AM, mattias  wrote:

wonder wich iso armando uses?
because in bryans archive there is 2
one named somthing mega
and one about 512 mb


Den 2015-11-18 kl. kl 21:53, skrev Paul Sandoval:
i'm trying to install Windows 7 via Boot Camp.
I'm also attempting to use the talking windows installer.
If someone has experience using this installer, I could really use some 
assistance.
I've listened to a podcast on Apple this, but I do not know what I'm missing.
I'm using a MacBook air mid 2013.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Sent from Pablo's iPhone

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Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[mattias]

wonder wich iso armando uses?
because in bryans archive there is 2
one named somthing mega
and one about 512 mb

Den 2015-11-18 kl. kl 21:53, skrev Paul Sandoval:

i'm trying to install Windows 7 via Boot Camp.
I'm also attempting to use the talking windows installer.
If someone has experience using this installer, I could really use some 
assistance.
I've listened to a podcast on Apple this, but I do not know what I'm missing.
I'm using a MacBook air mid 2013.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Sent from Pablo's iPhone



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Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[Rob]

Hi,
I used a low cost USB sound card from WalMart.
Please note that sometimes, NVDA boots with the no speech option selected.
Pressing insert+S, followed by pressing the home key, then enter should 
fix it.



On 11/19/2015 8:47 AM, Paul Sandoval wrote:

I've tried both images. Neither of which I can get to talk. Both will however 
boot up onto the desktop I've had somebody visually verify. iMessage Brian on 
Twitter, and he says he doesn't know why it doesn't work with some Macs.

Sent from Pablo's iPhone


On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:25 AM, mattias  wrote:

wonder wich iso armando uses?
because in bryans archive there is 2
one named somthing mega
and one about 512 mb


Den 2015-11-18 kl. kl 21:53, skrev Paul Sandoval:
i'm trying to install Windows 7 via Boot Camp.
I'm also attempting to use the talking windows installer.
If someone has experience using this installer, I could really use some 
assistance.
I've listened to a podcast on Apple this, but I do not know what I'm missing.
I'm using a MacBook air mid 2013.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Sent from Pablo's iPhone

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Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Have you tried plugging in earbuds, like the ones from Apple?

That sometimes does the trick. My Mac doesn't speak either unless I plug those 
in, and I know people who've had to do this as well. Bryan's page claims it 
does not support USB audio, but I've also connected USB headsets to the 
installer in the past.

Nicolai
> On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> I've tried both images. Neither of which I can get to talk. Both will however 
> boot up onto the desktop I've had somebody visually verify. iMessage Brian on 
> Twitter, and he says he doesn't know why it doesn't work with some Macs.
> 
> Sent from Pablo's iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:25 AM, mattias  wrote:
>> 
>> wonder wich iso armando uses?
>> because in bryans archive there is 2
>> one named somthing mega
>> and one about 512 mb
>> 
>>> Den 2015-11-18 kl. kl 21:53, skrev Paul Sandoval:
>>> i'm trying to install Windows 7 via Boot Camp.
>>> I'm also attempting to use the talking windows installer.
>>> If someone has experience using this installer, I could really use some 
>>> assistance.
>>> I've listened to a podcast on Apple this, but I do not know what I'm 
>>> missing.
>>> I'm using a MacBook air mid 2013.
>>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>> Sent from Pablo's iPhone
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Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[Paul Sandoval]

I've tried both images. Neither of which I can get to talk. Both will however 
boot up onto the desktop I've had somebody visually verify. iMessage Brian on 
Twitter, and he says he doesn't know why it doesn't work with some Macs.

Sent from Pablo's iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:25 AM, mattias  wrote:
> 
> wonder wich iso armando uses?
> because in bryans archive there is 2
> one named somthing mega
> and one about 512 mb
> 
>> Den 2015-11-18 kl. kl 21:53, skrev Paul Sandoval:
>> i'm trying to install Windows 7 via Boot Camp.
>> I'm also attempting to use the talking windows installer.
>> If someone has experience using this installer, I could really use some 
>> assistance.
>> I've listened to a podcast on Apple this, but I do not know what I'm missing.
>> I'm using a MacBook air mid 2013.
>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>> Sent from Pablo's iPhone
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Boot Camp, talking installer.

[Paul Sandoval]

i'm trying to install Windows 7 via Boot Camp.
I'm also attempting to use the talking windows installer.
If someone has experience using this installer, I could really use some 
assistance.
I've listened to a podcast on Apple this, but I do not know what I'm missing.
I'm using a MacBook air mid 2013.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Sent from Pablo's iPhone

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