Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-10-03 Thread CHUCK REICHEL 
Hi ET,
How about setting up a vo activity for your financial app?
I've done this in pro tools and it helps much. :)
It would be nice just to have vo say minus or negative with out all the other 
verbosity stuff though.
Talk soon
Chuck

On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:51 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   What led me to start this topic is that I noticed some shortcomings in 
> Checkbook Pro. When I knew there were some entries with negative numbers, I 
> was not hearing the indicator. So I changed the punctuation verbosity level 
> from some to most and VO then spoke those entries with 'dash'.
> 
>   So Jonathan pointed me to the same place and change the substitution. That 
> works but if I leave the punctuation verbosity level set to most I get too 
> much.
> 
>   I experimented in a document and it was nice to see how this works. I will 
> run this by the developer too and see if if a change can be made there so I 
> can keep the level set to some.
> 
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> On 10/3/2016 11:05 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You could also set up a keyboard shortcut for this.  If you open the Emoji & 
>> Symbols dialog with cmd-ctrl-space, enter a dash in the Search field, then 
>> you should be able to locate the Math symbol for "⁻" (minus).  Now, in the 
>> Text tab of the Keyboard System Preferences, create a substitution.  For 
>> example, you could set it to always substitute the "⁻" sign when you type 
>> some combination of characters such as m s g n.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 17:33, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find the list 
>> of those codes  This will be useful.
>> 
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>> On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus 
>>> sign but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive 
>>> numbers.
>>> 
>>> There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input 
>>> UNICODE minus as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into 
>>> edit->emotes and symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can 
>>> search for minus.
>>> 
>>> There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! 
>>> What fun we could have.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth 
 the effort to find out.
 
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 On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it 
> in Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
> ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same 
>> as number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne 
>>> would not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when 
>>> numbers are involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, 
>>> minus would not be good.
>>> 
>>> So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
>>> characters? Thanks much.
>>> 
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 On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
 go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
 Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place 
 for the Substitution
 note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the 
 table then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
 hope that helps
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and 
> not 'dash'?
> 
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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-10-03 Thread E.T. 
   What led me to start this topic is that I noticed some shortcomings 
in Checkbook Pro. When I knew there were some entries with negative 
numbers, I was not hearing the indicator. So I changed the punctuation 
verbosity level from some to most and VO then spoke those entries with 
'dash'.


   So Jonathan pointed me to the same place and change the 
substitution. That works but if I leave the punctuation verbosity level 
set to most I get too much.


   I experimented in a document and it was nice to see how this works. 
I will run this by the developer too and see if if a change can be made 
there so I can keep the level set to some.


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On 10/3/2016 11:05 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

You could also set up a keyboard shortcut for this.  If you open the Emoji & Symbols dialog with 
cmd-ctrl-space, enter a dash in the Search field, then you should be able to locate the Math symbol for 
"⁻" (minus).  Now, in the Text tab of the Keyboard System Preferences, create a substitution. 
 For example, you could set it to always substitute the "⁻" sign when you type some 
combination of characters such as m s g n.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 2, 2016, at 17:33, E.T.  wrote:

  Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find the list 
of those codes  This will be useful.

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On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus sign 
but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive numbers.

There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE minus 
as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into edit->emotes and 
symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search for minus.

There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! What 
fun we could have.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth the 
effort to find out.

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On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:

That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would not 
notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are involved, 
dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be good.

So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two characters? 
Thanks much.

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On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 'dash'?

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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-10-03 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

You could also set up a keyboard shortcut for this.  If you open the Emoji & 
Symbols dialog with cmd-ctrl-space, enter a dash in the Search field, then you 
should be able to locate the Math symbol for "⁻" (minus).  Now, in the Text tab 
of the Keyboard System Preferences, create a substitution.  For example, you 
could set it to always substitute the "⁻" sign when you type some combination 
of characters such as m s g n.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 2, 2016, at 17:33, E.T.  wrote:

  Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find the list 
of those codes  This will be useful.

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On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus 
> sign but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive 
> numbers.
> 
> There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE 
> minus as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into 
> edit->emotes and symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search 
> for minus.
> 
> There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! 
> What fun we could have.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth 
>> the effort to find out.
>> 
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>> On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it 
>>> in Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
>>> ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same 
 as number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
> not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
> involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not 
> be good.
> 
> So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
> characters? Thanks much.
> 
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>> On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
>> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
>> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place 
>> for the Substitution
>> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
>> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
>> hope that helps
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
>>> 'dash'?
>>> 
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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-10-02 Thread E.T. 
   Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find 
the list of those codes  This will be useful.


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On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus sign 
but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive numbers.

There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE minus 
as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into edit->emotes and 
symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search for minus.

There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! What 
fun we could have.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth the 
effort to find out.

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On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:

That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would not 
notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are involved, 
dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be good.

So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two characters? 
Thanks much.

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On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 'dash'?

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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-10-02 Thread Blee Blat 
Fascinating.  You just gave us a new toy. Thank you!

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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-10-02 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus sign 
but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive numbers.

There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE 
minus as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into edit->emotes 
and symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search for minus.

There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! What 
fun we could have.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth 
> the effort to find out.
> 
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> On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
>> Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
>> ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
>>> number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
 
 That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
 not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
 involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not 
 be good.
 
 So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
 characters? Thanks much.
 
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> On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for 
> the Substitution
> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
> hope that helps
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
>> 'dash'?
>> 
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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-09-30 Thread E.T. 
   This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its 
worth the effort to find out.


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On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:

 That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would not 
notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are involved, 
dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be good.

 So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two characters? 
Thanks much.

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On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 'dash'?

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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-09-30 Thread E.T. 
   Thanks, that was easy. Now though comes attempts to find a balance 
between some punctuation or most punctuation. Set to some, VO will not 
speak the minus. Set to most, it will but also will read hyphen in other 
areas. Is it possible to do finer tweaking of this?


   And back in the pronunciation section, its either All apps or one. 
Can you select more than one app? Or add separate entries and pick a 
different app for each?


   This is going to be a fun exercise for me.

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On 9/29/2016 9:56 PM, michael babcock wrote:

I don’t think there is a way to type it differently, but maybe :) always stand 
to be corrected.
you can set in the drop down of the third column  of that table an app if you 
want VO to handle that Pronunciation globally or within one app.


On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would not 
notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are involved, 
dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be good.

  So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
characters? Thanks much.

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go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 'dash'?

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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-09-30 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn 
I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
> number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..
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>> On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
>> not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
>> involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be 
>> good.
>> 
>>  So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
>> characters? Thanks much.
>> 
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>>> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
>>> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for 
>>> the Substitution
>>> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
>>> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
>>> hope that helps
 On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-09-30 Thread David Chittenden 
The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..

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> On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
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>   That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
> not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
> involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be 
> good.
> 
>   So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
> characters? Thanks much.
> 
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>> On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
>> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
>> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for 
>> the Substitution
>> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
>> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
>> hope that helps
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
>>> 'dash'?
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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-09-29 Thread michael babcock 
I don’t think there is a way to type it differently, but maybe :) always stand 
to be corrected.
you can set in the drop down of the third column  of that table an app if you 
want VO to handle that Pronunciation globally or within one app.

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
> not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
> involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be 
> good.
> 
>   So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
> characters? Thanks much.
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>> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
>> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for 
>> the Substitution
>> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
>> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
>> hope that helps
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>>>  Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
>>> 'dash'?
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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-09-29 Thread E.T. 
   That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne 
would not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers 
are involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would 
not be good.


   So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
characters? Thanks much.


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On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:

go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
'dash'?

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Re: Dash vs Minus

2016-09-29 Thread michael babcock 
go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps
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Dash vs Minus

2016-09-29 Thread E.T. 
   Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and 
not 'dash'?


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