RE: File recovery

2020-04-28 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And that's what recovery software can do also.

Infact some software locates and mounts the drive then wants you to format the 
drive before recovering its data.

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If it doesn't mount; what good any recovery software?
If you have experience with the terminal it is sometimes possible to force an 
external drive mount.
If you don't know terminal, find someone who does.  Might this be a question 
for apple disability with them using a remote hookup to view your machine so 
they can talk you through the terminal mount process?

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, Ian Harrison wrote:

> Hi all,
> I need to recover files from an external hard drive that won???t mount any 
> more. Do you have any suggestions for one with Catalina in mind.
>
> There is one called Disk Drill that gets good ratings on the appstore, but 
> the developer says it is not really voice over accessible.
>
> with thanks
> Ian
>
>

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Re: File recovery

2020-04-27 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

Many disk recovery tools are able to mount disks that are unmountable in the 
Finder.  They might use some of the same tools as the Terminal uses within 
their software.

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> On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:42 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> If it doesn't mount; what good any recovery software?
> If you have experience with the terminal it is sometimes possible to force an 
> external drive mount.
> If you don't know terminal, find someone who does.  Might this be a question 
> for apple disability with them using a remote hookup to view your
> machine so they can talk you through the terminal mount process?
> 
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, Ian Harrison wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I need to recover files from an external hard drive that won???t mount any 
>> more. Do you have any suggestions for one with Catalina in mind.
>> 
>> There is one called Disk Drill that gets good ratings on the appstore, but 
>> the developer says it is not really voice over accessible.
>> 
>> with thanks
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
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Re: File recovery

2020-04-27 Thread dan d.


If it doesn't mount; what good any recovery software?
If you have experience with the terminal it is sometimes possible to force an 
external drive mount.
If you don't know terminal, find someone who does.  Might this be a question 
for apple disability with them using a remote hookup to view your
machine so they can talk you through the terminal mount process?

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, Ian Harrison wrote:

> Hi all,
> I need to recover files from an external hard drive that won???t mount any 
> more. Do you have any suggestions for one with Catalina in mind.
>
> There is one called Disk Drill that gets good ratings on the appstore, but 
> the developer says it is not really voice over accessible.
>
> with thanks
> Ian
>
>

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Re: File recovery

2020-04-27 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

I’ve used Data Rescue in the past.  It was fairly accessible, but I haven’t 
tried it lately.

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> On Apr 27, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> Maybe in the terminal there might be something you could install.
> For command line there’s a bunch of tools that might work but not sure how 
> good they will work with VoiceOver.
> /A
> 
>> 27 apr. 2020 kl. 11:33 skrev Ian Harrison :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I need to recover files from an external hard drive that won’t mount any 
>> more. Do you have any suggestions for one with Catalina in mind.
>> 
>> There is one called Disk Drill that gets good ratings on the appstore, but 
>> the developer says it is not really voice over accessible.
>> 
>> with thanks
>> Ian
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Re: File recovery

2020-04-27 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hello!
Maybe in the terminal there might be something you could install.
For command line there’s a bunch of tools that might work but not sure how good 
they will work with VoiceOver.
/A

> 27 apr. 2020 kl. 11:33 skrev Ian Harrison :
> 
> Hi all,
> I need to recover files from an external hard drive that won’t mount any 
> more. Do you have any suggestions for one with Catalina in mind.
> 
> There is one called Disk Drill that gets good ratings on the appstore, but 
> the developer says it is not really voice over accessible.
> 
> with thanks
> Ian
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File recovery

2020-04-27 Thread Ian Harrison
Hi all,
I need to recover files from an external hard drive that won’t mount any more. 
Do you have any suggestions for one with Catalina in mind.

There is one called Disk Drill that gets good ratings on the appstore, but the 
developer says it is not really voice over accessible.

with thanks
Ian

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help with dropbox web interface and deleted file recovery

2015-04-01 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi all,

I have a shared dropbox folder with a friend. He accidentally deleted a bunch 
of stuff that was only present in our shared folder, and I, rather we, would 
like to get it back.

From the dropbox web interface, we can recover those files, but here’s a 
question. I do see all the files that were deleted from the folder in 
question. Everything from the last month is there, so that’s beautiful. 
Problem is: I don’t know how to undelete these files, nor how to mark them for 
undelete and then restore them in one go. I know that dropbox allows us to 
undelete files and folders right from its own web interface, which is what I 
need right now, but what do I click to achieve it? I can navigate to the 
dropbox folder in question using the dropbox web interface, and next to each 
file I want back, it says deleted audio, or deleted video. But clicking that 
does not bring the file back. If you know how to do this with VoiceOver, 
please let me know. 

Regards,
Paul.

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Re: help with dropbox web interface and deleted file recovery

2015-04-01 Thread Jed Barton

I'm looking to do the same thing, so any info would be extremely ehlpful.

On 4/1/2015 6:57 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi all,

I have a shared dropbox folder with a friend. He accidentally deleted a bunch 
of stuff that was only present in our shared folder, and I, rather we, would 
like to get it back.


From the dropbox web interface, we can recover those files, but here’s a 
question. I do see all the files that were deleted from the folder in question. 
Everything from the last month is there, so that’s beautiful. Problem is: I 
don’t know how to undelete these files, nor how to mark them for undelete and 
then restore them in one go. I know that dropbox allows us to undelete files 
and folders right from its own web interface, which is what I need right now, 
but what do I click to achieve it? I can navigate to the dropbox folder in 
question using the dropbox web interface, and next to each file I want back, it 
says deleted audio, or deleted video. But clicking that does not bring the file 
back. If you know how to do this with VoiceOver, please let me know.


Regards,
Paul.



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Re: help with dropbox web interface and deleted file recovery

2015-04-01 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi Paul,

I'm not sure whether it's going to work because I've not been in this 
situation.  However, if you press vo+shift+m to get contextual menu, would 
there be an option there to undelete the file?  It's worth checking this 
command.  You never know what contextual menu hides.

Andrew
 On 1 Apr 2015, at 11:57, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a shared dropbox folder with a friend. He accidentally deleted a bunch 
 of stuff that was only present in our shared folder, and I, rather we, would 
 like to get it back.
 
 From the dropbox web interface, we can recover those files, but here’s a 
 question. I do see all the files that were deleted from the folder in 
 question. Everything from the last month is there, so that’s beautiful. 
 Problem is: I don’t know how to undelete these files, nor how to mark them 
 for undelete and then restore them in one go. I know that dropbox allows us 
 to undelete files and folders right from its own web interface, which is what 
 I need right now, but what do I click to achieve it? I can navigate to the 
 dropbox folder in question using the dropbox web interface, and next to each 
 file I want back, it says deleted audio, or deleted video. But clicking that 
 does not bring the file back. If you know how to do this with VoiceOver, 
 please let me know. 
 
 Regards,
 Paul.
 
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Re: help with dropbox web interface and deleted file recovery

2015-04-01 Thread The Believer
   Since I have Dropbox on my Mac, I googled for solutions. The below 
link may provide what you need.


https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/296#rejoin

From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 4/1/2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

  undelete these files, nor how to mark them for undelete and then restore them 
in one go. I know that dropbox allows us to undelete files and folders right 
from its own web interface, which is what I need right now, but what do I c


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Re: Accessible Mac file recovery utilities?

2013-01-28 Thread Maurice Mines
Hello Darrell when will we have the next VMware users group get together? I 
know that this is somewhat off-topic for this thread, but I don't have your 
correct email address. My testing, use of Windows 8 professional in my virtual 
machine is going well with JAWS, window eyes, and in VDA. Note with my severe 
hearing loss in BDA is barely understandable. And if I had to use it I probably 
couldn't do it with my current level of hearing. Also a general question for 
the list, does anyone have any good suggestions for how to teach an 81-year-old 
who apparently is newly blinded how to use an iPhone? I'm looking for 
suggestions? Please forgive my posting somewhat off-topic? Have a great day 
everybody.Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of 
Washington Clark County Chapter. Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko. Phone 
360-524-0791. Email address kd0...@icloud.com.
On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:

 Which ones did you test so we'll know to avoid them?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Darrell Shandrow darrell.shand...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've tested four different trial versions of file recovery tools today, only 
 to find they're not VoiceOver accessible.
 
 Does anyone out here use an effective, accessible tool for undeleting files 
 in Mac OS X?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Accessible Mac file recovery utilities?

2013-01-26 Thread Darrell Shandrow

Hello Everyone,

I've tested four different trial versions of file recovery tools today, 
only to find they're not VoiceOver accessible.


Does anyone out here use an effective, accessible tool for undeleting 
files in Mac OS X?


Thanks,

Darrell

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Re: Accessible Mac file recovery utilities?

2013-01-26 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Which ones did you test so we'll know to avoid them?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Darrell Shandrow darrell.shand...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've tested four different trial versions of file recovery tools today, only 
 to find they're not VoiceOver accessible.
 
 Does anyone out here use an effective, accessible tool for undeleting files 
 in Mac OS X?
 
 Thanks,
 
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