Re: Do I need to disable FileVault before upgrading to High Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Haven't decided yet.  It's good to hear that I don't have to, but I am nervous. 
:)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 11:33 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> No you shouldn't need to!
> 
> Everytime I've updated file volt has been on,
> However if your concerned, then it's your choice.
> 
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> Subject: Do I need to disable FileVault before upgrading to High Sierra?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm hoping that sometime within the next week or so I'll get around to 
> upgrading to High Sierra.  Should I disable file vault before upgrading?  I 
> don't want to end up locked out of my Mac again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: Do I need to disable FileVault before upgrading to High Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

No you shouldn't need to!

Everytime I've updated file volt has been on,
 However if your concerned, then it's your choice.

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Subject: Do I need to disable FileVault before upgrading to High Sierra?

Hi all,

I'm hoping that sometime within the next week or so I'll get around to 
upgrading to High Sierra.  Should I disable file vault before upgrading?  I 
don't want to end up locked out of my Mac again.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Do I need to disable FileVault before upgrading to High Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

That's great to hear.  Thank you, Harry.
Best,
Donna
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:
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> I use FileVault and I had no problems when I upgraded to High Sierra. 
> Harry
> 
>> On 13 Nov 2017, at 11:14, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm hoping that sometime within the next week or so I'll get around to 
>> upgrading to High Sierra.  Should I disable file vault before upgrading?  I 
>> don't want to end up locked out of my Mac again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Do I need to disable FileVault before upgrading to High Sierra?

[Harry Bell]

I use FileVault and I had no problems when I upgraded to High Sierra. 
Harry

> On 13 Nov 2017, at 11:14, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm hoping that sometime within the next week or so I'll get around to 
> upgrading to High Sierra.  Should I disable file vault before upgrading?  I 
> don't want to end up locked out of my Mac again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Do I need to disable FileVault before upgrading to High Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I'm hoping that sometime within the next week or so I'll get around to 
upgrading to High Sierra.  Should I disable file vault before upgrading?  I 
don't want to end up locked out of my Mac again.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: FileVault

[Jonathan Cohn]

On older Mac one beep for username two beeps for password and three beeps to 
indicate that startup is proceeding.

On my 2015 MacBookAir it actually says username, password and incorrect 
password. The three beeps occasionally still do occur.
So at some point apple decided they could put a sound file in that does more 
than beep for the File Vault 2 pre-boot login prompts.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On 1 Jul 2016, at 12:30, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> After a while after pressing the start up button, you can type the password 
> and hit enter. Or, instead hit command + f5 to start voice over, then type 
> user name hit enter type password hit enter. If memory serves, there is one 
> tone for correct username and two tones for correct password. No speech.
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 1. jul. 2016 kl. 14.49 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> It depends on the version of laptop you have or device.
>> 
>> On more recent models, you can press command F5 and the file vault log in 
>> will speak.  Usually the order there is you type your username then press 
>> enter and then the password.  Older versions aren’t spoken and require some 
>> arrowing around.  This depends on the number of users and so forth on the 
>> machine. Hopefully you have a newer revision.
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there,Somehow the File Vault got enabled on my computer. how do I get 
>>> into the password field for that when it comes up?  It comes up at thke 
>>> beginning of the boot sequence
>>> 
>>> I Sent from my iPhone
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RE: FileVault

[Simon Fogarty]

Turn voiceover on as you would with a normal boot up.
 It's just in a basic state not a normal type voiceover voice.

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Subject: FileVault

Hi there,Somehow the File Vault got enabled on my computer. how do I get into 
the password field for that when it comes up?  It comes up at thke beginning of 
the boot sequence

I Sent from my iPhone

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Re: FileVault

[Terje Strømberg]

After a while after pressing the start up button, you can type the password and 
hit enter. Or, instead hit command + f5 to start voice over, then type user 
name hit enter type password hit enter. If memory serves, there is one tone for 
correct username and two tones for correct password. No speech.

Take care

> 1. jul. 2016 kl. 14.49 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> It depends on the version of laptop you have or device.
> 
> On more recent models, you can press command F5 and the file vault log in 
> will speak.  Usually the order there is you type your username then press 
> enter and then the password.  Older versions aren’t spoken and require some 
> arrowing around.  This depends on the number of users and so forth on the 
> machine. Hopefully you have a newer revision.
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,Somehow the File Vault got enabled on my computer. how do I get 
>> into the password field for that when it comes up?  It comes up at thke 
>> beginning of the boot sequence
>> 
>> I Sent from my iPhone
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Re: FileVault

[Scott Granados]

It depends on the version of laptop you have or device.

On more recent models, you can press command F5 and the file vault log in will 
speak.  Usually the order there is you type your username then press enter and 
then the password.  Older versions aren’t spoken and require some arrowing 
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Hopefully you have a newer revision.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
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> of the boot sequence
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[Scott Berry]

Hi there,Somehow the File Vault got enabled on my computer. how do I get into 
the password field for that when it comes up?  It comes up at thke beginning of 
the boot sequence

I Sent from my iPhone

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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wonder if you’re misunderstanding.  How is Voiceover going to speak for him 
at this low level?  He’s not saying that Voiceover volume is low I don’t think. 
 I think what he’s saying is the beeps you hear when trying to unlock the 
drive, right after you hear the startup chime are somehow muted or turned way 
way down.  So at this point, any VO commands aren’t gonna work.

I apologize for getting in the way if I’m wrong and only further complicated 
this post.

Chris.

 On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:19 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 No real answer to the problem but I have two workarounds for you.
 
 1.  After pressing cmd-f5 and you notice that there is no sound, press 
 VO-cmd-left arrow three times, then press VO-cmd-up arrow a number of times.  
 The System volume will increase and you should soon hear VO speak.
 
 or, if everything seems to be messed up and you can’t make it work that way...
 
 2.  Reset your PRAM.  This will put things like the sound back to defaults 
 and the next time you turn on VO, sound will be there.
 
 Sorry, not the exact thing you were looking for, but it may help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wow, Joseph.
 
 Just! freaking, wow!  Seeing how advanced I am of a mac user, I always love! 
 the questions like this, which really get you thinking/ponderring.  I'm gonna 
 have to definitely research this, but man oh man!  You really have got me 
 curious now!  If you find out anything, let me know, I'd be profoundly 
 interested in your findings.
 
 Feel free to  hold on to my e-mail address and keep me updated.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 
 chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com
 To: Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:57 PM
 Subject: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup
 
 
 Hello List,
 Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
 On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
 Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command F5. 
 The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks for 
 password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an error 
 message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it another 
 try.
 Ok., all’s well and fine.
 Now for the problem.
 User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
 volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
 using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
 The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
 regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
 So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
 Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
 FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
 what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
 influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to why 
 this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
 Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock the 
 Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
 For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know?  An espresso doesn’t sound actually half bad right about now.  I’m 
gonna take you up on that seeing my Keurig Rivo is just across the room from me 
begging to be used.

LOL!

Chris.

 On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:41 AM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 That’s right. I forgot all about that one till it was mentioned in a previous 
 reply to my message.
 Thanks a bunch. I suppose I really do need another Espresso, infact, a double 
 shot!
 Again, thanks.
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:33 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello Joseph, your computer stores the volume setting in memory, called 
 NVRAM. This is intentional, and I don’t think it’s configurable. Once you 
 are logged in, you can of course increase the volume again. If you ever run 
 into problems, you could try resetting NVRAM to bring the volume back to a 
 default setting. See this article for more information: 
 http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204063
 
 Grant
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello List,
 Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
 On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
 Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command 
 F5. The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks 
 for password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an 
 error message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it 
 another try.
 Ok., all’s well and fine.
 Now for the problem.
 User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
 volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
 using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
 The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
 regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
 So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
 Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
 FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
 what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
 influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to 
 why this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
 Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock 
 the Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
 For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: [Virus Error] Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Danny Keys]

Hello,
In the newer MBPS and I would assume the same to be true of the latest iMacs, 
there is a slight difference in the way things work with VoiceOver when 
unlocking FileVault at startup.
Older machines have 1 beep, 2 beeps or 3 beeps as you step through the process.
In the newer machines, both the account prompt and the password prompts are 
spoken. While after the password has been typed and enter is pressed, then you 
will hear the 3 beeps.
So what I'm saying is this. VoiceOver does not actually talk when the volume 
has been previously reduced to 0 by a previous user, prior to closing down the 
machine.
But for now, I'll use the resetting of the PRAM.




 On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I wonder if you’re misunderstanding.  How is Voiceover going to speak for him 
 at this low level?  He’s not saying that Voiceover volume is low I don’t 
 think.  I think what he’s saying is the beeps you hear when trying to unlock 
 the drive, right after you hear the startup chime are somehow muted or turned 
 way way down.  So at this point, any VO commands aren’t gonna work.
 
 I apologize for getting in the way if I’m wrong and only further complicated 
 this post.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:19 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 No real answer to the problem but I have two workarounds for you.
 
 1.  After pressing cmd-f5 and you notice that there is no sound, press 
 VO-cmd-left arrow three times, then press VO-cmd-up arrow a number of times. 
  The System volume will increase and you should soon hear VO speak.
 
 or, if everything seems to be messed up and you can’t make it work that 
 way...
 
 2.  Reset your PRAM.  This will put things like the sound back to defaults 
 and the next time you turn on VO, sound will be there.
 
 Sorry, not the exact thing you were looking for, but it may help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wow, Joseph.
 
 Just! freaking, wow!  Seeing how advanced I am of a mac user, I always love! 
 the questions like this, which really get you thinking/ponderring.  I'm 
 gonna have to definitely research this, but man oh man!  You really have got 
 me curious now!  If you find out anything, let me know, I'd be profoundly 
 interested in your findings.
 
 Feel free to  hold on to my e-mail address and keep me updated.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 
 chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com
 To: Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:57 PM
 Subject: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup
 
 
 Hello List,
 Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
 On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
 Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command 
 F5. The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks 
 for password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an 
 error message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it 
 another try.
 Ok., all’s well and fine.
 Now for the problem.
 User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
 volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
 using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
 The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
 regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
 So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
 Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
 FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
 what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
 influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to 
 why this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
 Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock 
 the Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
 For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: [Virus Error] Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh wow!  I was not aware that they'd changed that.  That's really really 
cool.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Danny Keys ablindvou...@icloud.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Virus Error] Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in 
LowLevel / FileVault Startup



Hello,
In the newer MBPS and I would assume the same to be true of the latest 
iMacs, there is a slight difference in the way things work with VoiceOver 
when unlocking FileVault at startup.
Older machines have 1 beep, 2 beeps or 3 beeps as you step through the 
process.
In the newer machines, both the account prompt and the password prompts are 
spoken. While after the password has been typed and enter is pressed, then 
you will hear the 3 beeps.
So what I'm saying is this. VoiceOver does not actually talk when the volume 
has been previously reduced to 0 by a previous user, prior to closing down 
the machine.

But for now, I'll use the resetting of the PRAM.




On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


I wonder if you’re misunderstanding.  How is Voiceover going to speak for 
him at this low level?  He’s not saying that Voiceover volume is low I don’t 
think.  I think what he’s saying is the beeps you hear when trying to 
unlock the drive, right after you hear the startup chime are somehow muted 
or turned way way down.  So at this point, any VO commands aren’t gonna 
work.


I apologize for getting in the way if I’m wrong and only further 
complicated this post.


Chris.


On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:19 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

No real answer to the problem but I have two workarounds for you.

1.  After pressing cmd-f5 and you notice that there is no sound, press 
VO-cmd-left arrow three times, then press VO-cmd-up arrow a number of 
times.  The System volume will increase and you should soon hear VO 
speak.


or, if everything seems to be messed up and you can’t make it work that 
way...


2.  Reset your PRAM.  This will put things like the sound back to 
defaults and the next time you turn on VO, sound will be there.


Sorry, not the exact thing you were looking for, but it may help.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Wow, Joseph.

Just! freaking, wow!  Seeing how advanced I am of a mac user, I always 
love! the questions like this, which really get you thinking/ponderring. 
I'm gonna have to definitely research this, but man oh man!  You really 
have got me curious now!  If you find out anything, let me know, I'd be 
profoundly interested in your findings.


Feel free to  hold on to my e-mail address and keep me updated.

clgillan...@gmail.com

chris.

- Original Message - From: Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com
To: Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:57 PM
Subject: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault 
Startup



Hello List,
Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the 
problem.
Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command 
F5. The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks 
for password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an 
error message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give 
it another try.

Ok., all’s well and fine.
Now for the problem.
User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course 
of using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 
0.
The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output 
info regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.

So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no 
matter what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level 
is influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as 
to why this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock 
the Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?

For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Chris,

Because FileVault is on and because it is a low level process, VO at that point 
in the boot is running similarly to how it does when in the Recovery Partition. 
 Therefore, regular volume up/down commands aren’t applied but if VO is on, but 
just not being heard due to the volume setting prior to shutdown, then you 
should be able to increase the system volume with the command I mentioned.  
It’s not that VO doesn’t work because the other user turned down the volume, 
it’s that VO isn’t being heard and the regular methods for increasing volume 
aren’t available.  Try it when in the Recovery Partition to see what I mean.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 13, 2015, at 23:59, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I wonder if you’re misunderstanding.  How is Voiceover going to speak for him 
at this low level?  He’s not saying that Voiceover volume is low I don’t think. 
 I think what he’s saying is the beeps you hear when trying to unlock the 
drive, right after you hear the startup chime are somehow muted or turned way 
way down.  So at this point, any VO commands aren’t gonna work.

I apologize for getting in the way if I’m wrong and only further complicated 
this post.

Chris.

 On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:19 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 No real answer to the problem but I have two workarounds for you.
 
 1.  After pressing cmd-f5 and you notice that there is no sound, press 
 VO-cmd-left arrow three times, then press VO-cmd-up arrow a number of times.  
 The System volume will increase and you should soon hear VO speak.
 
 or, if everything seems to be messed up and you can’t make it work that way...
 
 2.  Reset your PRAM.  This will put things like the sound back to defaults 
 and the next time you turn on VO, sound will be there.
 
 Sorry, not the exact thing you were looking for, but it may help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wow, Joseph.
 
 Just! freaking, wow!  Seeing how advanced I am of a mac user, I always love! 
 the questions like this, which really get you thinking/ponderring.  I'm gonna 
 have to definitely research this, but man oh man!  You really have got me 
 curious now!  If you find out anything, let me know, I'd be profoundly 
 interested in your findings.
 
 Feel free to  hold on to my e-mail address and keep me updated.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 
 chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com
 To: Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:57 PM
 Subject: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup
 
 
 Hello List,
 Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
 On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
 Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command F5. 
 The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks for 
 password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an error 
 message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it another 
 try.
 Ok., all’s well and fine.
 Now for the problem.
 User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
 volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
 using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
 The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
 regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
 So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
 Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
 FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
 what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
 influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to why 
 this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
 Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock the 
 Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
 For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wow, Joseph.

Just! freaking, wow!  Seeing how advanced I am of a mac user, I always love! 
the questions like this, which really get you thinking/ponderring.  I'm 
gonna have to definitely research this, but man oh man!  You really have got 
me curious now!  If you find out anything, let me know, I'd be profoundly 
interested in your findings.


Feel free to  hold on to my e-mail address and keep me updated.

clgillan...@gmail.com

chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com

To: Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:57 PM
Subject: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup


Hello List,
Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command 
F5. The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks 
for password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an 
error message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it 
another try.

Ok., all’s well and fine.
Now for the problem.
User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.

So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to 
why this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock 
the Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?

For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

No real answer to the problem but I have two workarounds for you.

1.  After pressing cmd-f5 and you notice that there is no sound, press 
VO-cmd-left arrow three times, then press VO-cmd-up arrow a number of times.  
The System volume will increase and you should soon hear VO speak.

or, if everything seems to be messed up and you can’t make it work that way...

2.  Reset your PRAM.  This will put things like the sound back to defaults and 
the next time you turn on VO, sound will be there.

Sorry, not the exact thing you were looking for, but it may help.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Wow, Joseph.

Just! freaking, wow!  Seeing how advanced I am of a mac user, I always love! 
the questions like this, which really get you thinking/ponderring.  I'm gonna 
have to definitely research this, but man oh man!  You really have got me 
curious now!  If you find out anything, let me know, I'd be profoundly 
interested in your findings.

Feel free to  hold on to my e-mail address and keep me updated.

clgillan...@gmail.com

chris.

- Original Message - From: Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com
To: Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:57 PM
Subject: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup


Hello List,
Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command F5. 
The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks for 
password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an error 
message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it another 
try.
Ok., all’s well and fine.
Now for the problem.
User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so volumes 
and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of using the 
computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is influenced 
by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to why this isn’t 
completely isolated from post boot conditions.
Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock the 
Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Grant Hardy]

Hello Joseph, your computer stores the volume setting in memory, called NVRAM. 
This is intentional, and I don’t think it’s configurable. Once you are logged 
in, you can of course increase the volume again. If you ever run into problems, 
you could try resetting NVRAM to bring the volume back to a default setting. 
See this article for more information: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204063

Grant

 On Apr 13, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello List,
 Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
 On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
 Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command F5. 
 The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks for 
 password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an error 
 message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it another 
 try.
 Ok., all’s well and fine.
 Now for the problem.
 User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
 volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
 using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
 The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
 regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
 So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
 Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
 FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
 what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
 influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to why 
 this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
 Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock the 
 Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
 For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
 Thanks in advance.

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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Joseph]

Hello,
Oh boy!
Ok. I did know about setting the PRAM but totally forgout all about that. It 
never occured to me that just because the VO Command didn’t speak when 
unlocking FileVault, that it would even work. I’ll give this a try. Because I 
am a total system junky.

 On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 No real answer to the problem but I have two workarounds for you.
 
 1.  After pressing cmd-f5 and you notice that there is no sound, press 
 VO-cmd-left arrow three times, then press VO-cmd-up arrow a number of times.  
 The System volume will increase and you should soon hear VO speak.
 
 or, if everything seems to be messed up and you can’t make it work that way...
 
 2.  Reset your PRAM.  This will put things like the sound back to defaults 
 and the next time you turn on VO, sound will be there.
 
 Sorry, not the exact thing you were looking for, but it may help.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wow, Joseph.
 
 Just! freaking, wow!  Seeing how advanced I am of a mac user, I always love! 
 the questions like this, which really get you thinking/ponderring.  I'm gonna 
 have to definitely research this, but man oh man!  You really have got me 
 curious now!  If you find out anything, let me know, I'd be profoundly 
 interested in your findings.
 
 Feel free to  hold on to my e-mail address and keep me updated.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 
 chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com
 To: Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:57 PM
 Subject: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup
 
 
 Hello List,
 Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
 On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
 Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command F5. 
 The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks for 
 password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an error 
 message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it another 
 try.
 Ok., all’s well and fine.
 Now for the problem.
 User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
 volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
 using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
 The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
 regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
 So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
 Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
 FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
 what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
 influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to why 
 this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
 Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock the 
 Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
 For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Joseph]

Hello,
That’s right. I forgot all about that one till it was mentioned in a previous 
reply to my message.
Thanks a bunch. I suppose I really do need another Espresso, infact, a double 
shot!
Again, thanks.

 On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:33 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello Joseph, your computer stores the volume setting in memory, called 
 NVRAM. This is intentional, and I don’t think it’s configurable. Once you are 
 logged in, you can of course increase the volume again. If you ever run into 
 problems, you could try resetting NVRAM to bring the volume back to a default 
 setting. See this article for more information: 
 http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204063
 
 Grant
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello List,
 Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
 On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
 Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command 
 F5. The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks 
 for password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an 
 error message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it 
 another try.
 Ok., all’s well and fine.
 Now for the problem.
 User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so 
 volumes and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of 
 using the computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
 The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
 regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
 So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
 Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
 FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
 what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is 
 influenced by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to 
 why this isn’t completely isolated from post boot conditions.
 Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock 
 the Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
 For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
 Thanks in advance.
 
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A question regarding Startup Volume in LowLevel / FileVault Startup

[Joseph]

Hello List,
Here’s an interesting situation that I’d like to bounce off all of you.
On one of our MBPs using FileVault and several accounts. Here’s the problem.
Say, I log in under my account using the VO prompts after hitting Command F5. 
The machine requests the account name. Then I press enter and it asks for 
password. Then I press enter and the machine gives three beeps or an error 
message, in either case, the machine either starts or lets me give it another 
try.
Ok., all’s well and fine.
Now for the problem.
User #3 gets on the computer and logs in. This user isn’t a VO user, so volumes 
and things don’t really mean much. He logs in and in the course of using the 
computer, for some reason he decides to reduce the volume to 0.
The problem is that when I go to log in as a VO user, I have no output info 
regarding the state of things while using VO after Command F5.
So here’s the Billion Dollar question.
Does anyone know of any way to preset the volume level at the 
FileVault/Recovery system level for VO users at a constant value, no matter 
what any other users do. If the audio provided at this low level is influenced 
by users after logging in, I kind of am a little curious as to why this isn’t 
completely isolated from post boot conditions.
Again, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could preset and lock the 
Volume Level for Pre Unlock or Recovery modes?
For example something preset in terminal or in the ROM somehow?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

In other words, please suggest to Apple Accessibility that the firmware be made 
more accessible.  That's what we all need.

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FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

[Grant Hardy]

I noticed in Apple’s VoiceOver getting started guide for Yosemite, they mention 
that on some machines, speech services are available at the FileVault login 
window. Of course, it has always been reasonably easy to interact with 
FileVault by pressing CMD+F5 before typing in your username, and learning what 
the audible tones mean. But on my machine, I’m now given an audible prompt to 
enter my username and password when I press CMD+F5. This is a Yosemite feature, 
but I’m not sure which machines have it. I’m also not sure whether this is 
something that is now present on the startup volume or whether it is included 
in the firmware. These speech services still don’t seem to be available in some 
places, such as when holding down the OPTION key when booting up the Mac to 
select a startup disk.

Grant

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Re: FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

[Joseph]

Hello,
How might I activate that feature. At this time all I get is the beeps and no 
Voice Prompts.

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I noticed in Apple’s VoiceOver getting started guide for Yosemite, they 
 mention that on some machines, speech services are available at the FileVault 
 login window. Of course, it has always been reasonably easy to interact with 
 FileVault by pressing CMD+F5 before typing in your username, and learning 
 what the audible tones mean. But on my machine, I’m now given an audible 
 prompt to enter my username and password when I press CMD+F5. This is a 
 Yosemite feature, but I’m not sure which machines have it. I’m also not sure 
 whether this is something that is now present on the startup volume or 
 whether it is included in the firmware. These speech services still don’t 
 seem to be available in some places, such as when holding down the OPTION key 
 when booting up the Mac to select a startup disk.
 
 Grant
 
 
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Re: FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

[Grant Hardy]

If you are running Yosemite and are only getting the beeps, your Mac probably 
doesn't support this feature. The guide dozen clarify which models support 
these speech services. This link should take you to the relevant section of the 
guide: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.10/#/vo36047

Grant

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On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:

Hello,
How might I activate that feature. At this time all I get is the beeps and no 
Voice Prompts.

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I noticed in Apple’s VoiceOver getting started guide for Yosemite, they 
 mention that on some machines, speech services are available at the FileVault 
 login window. Of course, it has always been reasonably easy to interact with 
 FileVault by pressing CMD+F5 before typing in your username, and learning 
 what the audible tones mean. But on my machine, I’m now given an audible 
 prompt to enter my username and password when I press CMD+F5. This is a 
 Yosemite feature, but I’m not sure which machines have it. I’m also not sure 
 whether this is something that is now present on the startup volume or 
 whether it is included in the firmware. These speech services still don’t 
 seem to be available in some places, such as when holding down the OPTION key 
 when booting up the Mac to select a startup disk.
 
 Grant
 
 
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Re: FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

[Joseph]

Hello,
I’ll read the info. Thanks. My iMac is a 27 inch mid 2010 machine and I’ll bet 
that’s why I don’t have the feature. But I’m going to purchase a new machine 
shortly. Cant wait till I get it.

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 If you are running Yosemite and are only getting the beeps, your Mac probably 
 doesn't support this feature. The guide dozen clarify which models support 
 these speech services. This link should take you to the relevant section of 
 the guide: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.10/#/vo36047 
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.10/#/vo36047
 
 Grant
 
 Sent from mobile
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com 
 mailto:ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 How might I activate that feature. At this time all I get is the beeps and no 
 Voice Prompts.
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com 
 mailto:grantha...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I noticed in Apple’s VoiceOver getting started guide for Yosemite, they 
 mention that on some machines, speech services are available at the 
 FileVault login window. Of course, it has always been reasonably easy to 
 interact with FileVault by pressing CMD+F5 before typing in your username, 
 and learning what the audible tones mean. But on my machine, I’m now given 
 an audible prompt to enter my username and password when I press CMD+F5. 
 This is a Yosemite feature, but I’m not sure which machines have it. I’m 
 also not sure whether this is something that is now present on the startup 
 volume or whether it is included in the firmware. These speech services 
 still don’t seem to be available in some places, such as when holding down 
 the OPTION key when booting up the Mac to select a startup disk.
 
 Grant
 
 
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Re: FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

[Erik Heil]

Hello
Well, to your question, in order for this to be implemented when you press 
option to select the boot device, this will have to be implemented at the EFI 
level. That is, it will have to be baked into the actual from work which boots 
your device. Since the transition to Intel, all Macintoshes have used EFI to 
boot their systems.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I noticed in Apple’s VoiceOver getting started guide for Yosemite, they 
 mention that on some machines, speech services are available at the FileVault 
 login window. Of course, it has always been reasonably easy to interact with 
 FileVault by pressing CMD+F5 before typing in your username, and learning 
 what the audible tones mean. But on my machine, I’m now given an audible 
 prompt to enter my username and password when I press CMD+F5. This is a 
 Yosemite feature, but I’m not sure which machines have it. I’m also not sure 
 whether this is something that is now present on the startup volume or 
 whether it is included in the firmware. These speech services still don’t 
 seem to be available in some places, such as when holding down the OPTION key 
 when booting up the Mac to select a startup disk.
 
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Re: FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Erik,

Yes, Intel-based Macs use UEFI, and I am aware that any speech services that 
are available before selecting a volume would need to be included in the 
computer’s firmware. That is why I wondered whether FileVault’s speech services 
are included on the startup (recovery) volume or whether they are a part of the 
Mac’s firmware itself which might explain why only newer machines can use it. 
It’s definitely possible that this has nothing to do with firmware at all. I 
haven’t looked into this at all. I was simply throwing that out there as a 
possibility.

Grant

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Hello
Well, to your question, in order for this to be implemented when you press 
option to select the boot device, this will have to be implemented at the EFI 
level. That is, it will have to be baked into the actual from work which boots 
your device. Since the transition to Intel, all Macintoshes have used EFI to 
boot their systems.

Sent from my iPhone

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mailto:grantha...@outlook.com wrote:

 I noticed in Apple’s VoiceOver getting started guide for Yosemite, they 
 mention that on some machines, speech services are available at the FileVault 
 login window. Of course, it has always been reasonably easy to interact with 
 FileVault by pressing CMD+F5 before typing in your username, and learning 
 what the audible tones mean. But on my machine, I’m now given an audible 
 prompt to enter my username and password when I press CMD+F5. This is a 
 Yosemite feature, but I’m not sure which machines have it. I’m also not sure 
 whether this is something that is now present on the startup volume or 
 whether it is included in the firmware. These speech services still don’t 
 seem to be available in some places, such as when holding down the OPTION key 
 when booting up the Mac to select a startup disk.
 
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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Dan,
Curious. How did you know that full Lion disk encryption is 128 bit?
On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Dan wrote:

 Hello,
 I like the full disk Encryption in OS X 7. However, I also wish the end user  
 could set it to 256 bit encryption instead of just 128 bit.
 Just my thoughts.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at all 
 but now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND 
 encryption. After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password 
 again. I feel very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other locations 
 and leaving it alone for a while.
 What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, that 
 if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is ready for 
 input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if it is wrong, 
 also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it for yourself its 
 very niftily done.
 I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system and 
 while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it makes me 
 feel a lot more secure.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:
 Hi all,
 Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
 difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
 complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
 sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you 
 will still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd 
 give it a shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't think 
 I'll revert back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, though it 
 may be present. It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if your full 
 disk is encrypted, only avery  small part of the os can be left 
 unencrypted, so that's why you don't have voiceover at the login prompt. 
 The prompt now comes very quickly, and the rest of the os is loaded after 
 you enter valid credentials.
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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi, 

A newbie question on the encryption. Actually two. Does it have any latency 
once encrypted on an ssd drive? And how does it play with drop box?


Best regards,

Yuma 
On 6/09/2011, at 7:24 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:

 Hi Dan,
 Curious. How did you know that full Lion disk encryption is 128 bit?
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Dan wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I like the full disk Encryption in OS X 7. However, I also wish the end user 
  could set it to 256 bit encryption instead of just 128 bit.
 Just my thoughts.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at all 
 but now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND 
 encryption. After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password 
 again. I feel very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other locations 
 and leaving it alone for a while.
 What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, 
 that if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is ready 
 for input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if it is 
 wrong, also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it for 
 yourself its very niftily done.
 I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system and 
 while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it makes me 
 feel a lot more secure.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:
 Hi all,
 Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
 difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
 complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
 sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you 
 will still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd 
 give it a shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't think 
 I'll revert back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, though 
 it may be present. It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if your full 
 disk is encrypted, only avery  small part of the os can be left 
 unencrypted, so that's why you don't have voiceover at the login prompt. 
 The prompt now comes very quickly, and the rest of the os is loaded after 
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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Yuma,
I'm experiencing no latency on the encrypted drive. I now know that ssd is a 
lot faster than a normal hard drive, and because my mac is starting to get old, 
I still have a mechanical hard drive and there are no speed issues. Regarding 
dropbox, the Lion full disk encryption is completely transparent to any program 
you run, so it's not going to conflict with anything. Rest assured about 
dropbox. Well, at least about its functioning. About its security, I have seen 
a number of articles on our internet new site, but that's another matter.
Paul.
On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

 Hi, 
 
 A newbie question on the encryption. Actually two. Does it have any latency 
 once encrypted on an ssd drive? And how does it play with drop box?
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Yuma 
 On 6/09/2011, at 7:24 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
 
 Hi Dan,
 Curious. How did you know that full Lion disk encryption is 128 bit?
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Dan wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I like the full disk Encryption in OS X 7. However, I also wish the end 
 user  could set it to 256 bit encryption instead of just 128 bit.
 Just my thoughts.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at all 
 but now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND 
 encryption. After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password 
 again. I feel very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other 
 locations and leaving it alone for a while.
 What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, 
 that if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is ready 
 for input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if it is 
 wrong, also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it for 
 yourself its very niftily done.
 I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system 
 and while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it 
 makes me feel a lot more secure.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:
 Hi all,
 Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
 difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
 complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
 sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you 
 will still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd 
 give it a shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't 
 think I'll revert back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, 
 though it may be present. It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if 
 your full disk is encrypted, only avery  small part of the os can be left 
 unencrypted, so that's why you don't have voiceover at the login prompt. 
 The prompt now comes very quickly, and the rest of the os is loaded after 
 you enter valid credentials.
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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[Yuma Decaux]

Thanks Paul for the clarifications.

I might try it out but will read up on it a bit more.

Cheers 

Yuma On 6/09/2011, at 8:02 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:

 Hi Yuma,
 I'm experiencing no latency on the encrypted drive. I now know that ssd is a 
 lot faster than a normal hard drive, and because my mac is starting to get 
 old, I still have a mechanical hard drive and there are no speed issues. 
 Regarding dropbox, the Lion full disk encryption is completely transparent to 
 any program you run, so it's not going to conflict with anything. Rest 
 assured about dropbox. Well, at least about its functioning. About its 
 security, I have seen a number of articles on our internet new site, but 
 that's another matter.
 Paul.
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 A newbie question on the encryption. Actually two. Does it have any latency 
 once encrypted on an ssd drive? And how does it play with drop box?
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Yuma 
 On 6/09/2011, at 7:24 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
 
 Hi Dan,
 Curious. How did you know that full Lion disk encryption is 128 bit?
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Dan wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I like the full disk Encryption in OS X 7. However, I also wish the end 
 user  could set it to 256 bit encryption instead of just 128 bit.
 Just my thoughts.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at all 
 but now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND 
 encryption. After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password 
 again. I feel very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other 
 locations and leaving it alone for a while.
 What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, 
 that if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is ready 
 for input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if it is 
 wrong, also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it for 
 yourself its very niftily done.
 I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system 
 and while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it 
 makes me feel a lot more secure.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:
 Hi all,
 Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
 difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. 
 No complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going 
 to sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, 
 you will still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I 
 thought I'd give it a shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but 
 I don't think I'll revert back to normal. I don't notice any speed 
 degradation, though it may be present. It just doesn't get in the way. 
 Of course, if your full disk is encrypted, only avery  small part of the 
 os can be left unencrypted, so that's why you don't have voiceover at 
 the login prompt. The prompt now comes very quickly, and the rest of the 
 os is loaded after you enter valid credentials.
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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Yuma,
The good thing about the disk encryption in Lion is, that there is not much you 
need to know about it. Just turn it on in sysprefs, follow the dialogs and off 
you go.
Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

 Thanks Paul for the clarifications.
 
 I might try it out but will read up on it a bit more.
 
 Cheers 
 
 Yuma On 6/09/2011, at 8:02 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
 
 Hi Yuma,
 I'm experiencing no latency on the encrypted drive. I now know that ssd is a 
 lot faster than a normal hard drive, and because my mac is starting to get 
 old, I still have a mechanical hard drive and there are no speed issues. 
 Regarding dropbox, the Lion full disk encryption is completely transparent 
 to any program you run, so it's not going to conflict with anything. Rest 
 assured about dropbox. Well, at least about its functioning. About its 
 security, I have seen a number of articles on our internet new site, but 
 that's another matter.
 Paul.
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 A newbie question on the encryption. Actually two. Does it have any latency 
 once encrypted on an ssd drive? And how does it play with drop box?
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Yuma 
 On 6/09/2011, at 7:24 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
 
 Hi Dan,
 Curious. How did you know that full Lion disk encryption is 128 bit?
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Dan wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I like the full disk Encryption in OS X 7. However, I also wish the end 
 user  could set it to 256 bit encryption instead of just 128 bit.
 Just my thoughts.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at 
 all but now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND 
 encryption. After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password 
 again. I feel very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other 
 locations and leaving it alone for a while.
 What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, 
 that if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is 
 ready for input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if 
 it is wrong, also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it 
 for yourself its very niftily done.
 I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system 
 and while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it 
 makes me feel a lot more secure.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:
 Hi all,
 Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
 difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. 
 No complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are 
 going to sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption 
 enabled, you will still get audible feedback though, and it is 
 workable. I thought I'd give it a shot so I backed up securely and 
 turned it on, but I don't think I'll revert back to normal. I don't 
 notice any speed degradation, though it may be present. It just doesn't 
 get in the way. Of course, if your full disk is encrypted, only avery  
 small part of the os can be left unencrypted, so that's why you don't 
 have voiceover at the login prompt. The prompt now comes very quickly, 
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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[Dan]

Hello Paul,
It was in an Apple article I came across regarding the hole disk encryption in 
Lion. It was discussing the different encryption schemes currently in use and 
the reasons for them. It pointed out that generally, the 128 bit encryption was 
in most cases and for most people just as good as 256 bit. I then came across 
another reference to the encryption scheme when reading about Lion Recovery and 
Encrypted drives. Both articles kind of inferred that FileVault 2 is 128 bit.
Unfortunately, I didn't keep the info.
HTH.


Dan

On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

 Hi Dan,
 Curious. How did you know that full Lion disk encryption is 128 bit?
 On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Dan wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I like the full disk Encryption in OS X 7. However, I also wish the end user 
  could set it to 256 bit encryption instead of just 128 bit.
 Just my thoughts.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at all 
 but now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND 
 encryption. After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password 
 again. I feel very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other locations 
 and leaving it alone for a while.
 What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, 
 that if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is ready 
 for input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if it is 
 wrong, also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it for 
 yourself its very niftily done.
 I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system and 
 while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it makes me 
 feel a lot more secure.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:
 Hi all,
 Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
 difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
 complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
 sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you 
 will still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd 
 give it a shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't think 
 I'll revert back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, though 
 it may be present. It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if your full 
 disk is encrypted, only avery  small part of the os can be left 
 unencrypted, so that's why you don't have voiceover at the login prompt. 
 The prompt now comes very quickly, and the rest of the os is loaded after 
 you enter valid credentials.
 Paul.
 
 
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filevault Lion experiences

[Paul Erkens]

Hi all,
Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you will 
still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd give it a 
shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't think I'll revert 
back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, though it may be present. 
It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if your full disk is encrypted, only 
avery  small part of the os can be left unencrypted, so that's why you don't 
have voiceover at the login prompt. The prompt now comes very quickly, and the 
rest of the os is loaded after you enter valid credentials.
Paul.

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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[anouk radix]

Hi,
Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at 
all but now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND 
encryption. After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password 
again. I feel very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other 
locations and leaving it alone for a while.
What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, 
that if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is 
ready for input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if 
it is wrong, also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it 
for yourself its very niftily done.
I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system 
and while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it 
makes me feel a lot more secure.

Greetings, Anouk,
Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:

Hi all,
Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you will 
still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd give it a 
shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't think I'll revert 
back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, though it may be present. 
It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if your full disk is encrypted, only 
avery  small part of the os can be left unencrypted, so that's why you don't 
have voiceover at the login prompt. The prompt now comes very quickly, and the 
rest of the os is loaded after you enter valid credentials.
Paul.



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Re: filevault Lion experiences

[Dan]

Hello,
I like the full disk Encryption in OS X 7. However, I also wish the end user  
could set it to 256 bit encryption instead of just 128 bit.
Just my thoughts.

Dan

On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:

 Hi,
 Normally I let my systems start up automatically with noi password at all but 
 now with my new mac I have indeed setup a startup password AND encryption. 
 After a few minutes of non-use I have to enter that password again. I feel 
 very secure now even takingmy laptop along to other locations and leaving it 
 alone for a while.
 What I like about the boot up process AFTER your drive is encrypted is, that 
 if you enter cmd+f5 you will hear a beep when your computer is ready for 
 input, you then hear a beep if its right and another beep if it is wrong, 
 also this goes for the password. Just experiment with it for yourself its 
 very niftily done.
 I havent heard of anything like this being possible on a windows system and 
 while I did not use it before i got my mba, i like it a lot and it makes me 
 feel a lot more secure.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 Op 5-9-2011 17:59, Paul Erkens schreef:
 Hi all,
 Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
 difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
 complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
 sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you 
 will still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd 
 give it a shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't think 
 I'll revert back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, though it 
 may be present. It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if your full disk 
 is encrypted, only avery  small part of the os can be left unencrypted, so 
 that's why you don't have voiceover at the login prompt. The prompt now 
 comes very quickly, and the rest of the os is loaded after you enter valid 
 credentials.
 Paul.
 
 
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filevault Lion experiences

[Paul Erkens]

Hi all,
Just passing on my experience with Lion's file vault. I thought it'd be 
difficult but it's not. Carefully read the dialogs and you're all set. No 
complicated setup. Encryption takes a while. Only thing you are going to 
sacrifice is a voice over supported log in. With encryption enabled, you will 
still get audible feedback though, and it is workable. I thought I'd give it a 
shot so I backed up securely and turned it on, but I don't think I'll revert 
back to normal. I don't notice any speed degradation, though it may be present. 
It just doesn't get in the way. Of course, if your full disk is encrypted, only 
avery  small part of the os can be left unencrypted, so that's why you don't 
have voiceover at the login prompt. The prompt now comes very quickly, and the 
rest of the os is loaded after you enter valid credentials.
Paul.

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