Re: Hello Anne

[christopher hallsworth]

Wow! Grumpy indeed. I am always in the notion that Apple never “forces” users 
anything down their throats, upgrading to Sierra being one of them. It’s not 
even in Software Update; you have to grab it from the Mac App Store yourself. 
It isn’t just thrown at you like the other boys tried, at their very best I 
must say, when they pushed users running Windows 7 or 8.1 to 10. Of course, 
that isn’t happening now the free offer has expired, but you get the idea. Just 
my £0.02 worth and will get out of my soapbox before I say anything I will 
later regret.


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:34, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Totally skewed. Apple has not made the decision for you, you did, as we all 
> do, to press the upgrade button or not to press the upgrade button.
> 
>   Good luck with the Ultra Book. Nothing will change with that, only the 
> names.
> 
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>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/28/2016 7:26 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
>> Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
>> Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
>> with a few others. Not a show stopper however.
>> 
>> The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
>> opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
>> have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
>> to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
>> decision taken out of my own hands by others.
>> 
>> As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
>> ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
>> in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
>> such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
>> instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
>> machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
>> less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
>> best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
>> today.
>> 
>> The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
>> purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
>> for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
>> hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
>> agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
>> manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
>> given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
>> after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
>> is always a hidden cost.
>> Take care Anne.
>> From grumpy Marty
>> 
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Re: Hello Anne

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Martin,

The release of Sierra has not rendered your Mini obsolete, thus also has not 
forced you to throw away a perfectly good machine, nor does it force your hand 
into purchasing a new computer.  That Mini works very well with El Capitan and 
will likely continue working well for quite a while.  You mentioned that you 
have 4 GB of RAM and a 500 GB HD in your Mini, which is fine, but even if you 
have 16 GB RAM and a 1 TB SSD, there are many other factors that come into play 
including the processor, Cache speed, memory speed, video memory, the number of 
processors etc, which all together determine whether a system can work on any 
given machine.  In the past, I have forced a new MacOS onto an older machine 
and the results were obvious.  Yes, it worked, but it was brutal to operate.  
So very slow, especially with VO and speech.  Almost painful.  I totally 
disagree with your suggestion of purchasing the lowest end Mac as opposed to 
beefing it up a little.  As the feature set grows, your system is taxed 
further, thus having a few components that are beyond minimum will allow your 
experience to be richer, longer.

Just my thoughts.

Have a good one.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 28, 2016, at 08:26, Martin Brown  wrote:

Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today. 

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost. 
Take care Anne.
>From grumpy Marty

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Re: Hello Anne

[E.T.]

   Totally skewed. Apple has not made the decision for you, you did, as 
we all do, to press the upgrade button or not to press the upgrade button.


   Good luck with the Ultra Book. Nothing will change with that, only 
the names.


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On 9/28/2016 7:26 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

 Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today.

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost.
Take care Anne.
From grumpy Marty



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Hello Anne

[Martin Brown]

 Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today. 

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost. 
Take care Anne.
>From grumpy Marty

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