Help with bold text?
Hi, I'm stuck. I've got to look at some information on the web where certain elements are marked in bold. So, I tooled around in the hotkeys list and found that control option T reads the text atributes of the current item, but when I press it, nothing happens. Then I went to the find menu and discovered that control option command B finds the bold elements on the webpage. So I tried that, and nothing happened. Any ideas on how I can get this info? Thanks, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with bold text?
Perhaps vo-shift-command-b to search in reverse? The other possibility is that vo-command-c might help you out. Jon On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:21 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, I'm stuck. I've got to look at some information on the web where certain elements are marked in bold. So, I tooled around in the hotkeys list and found that control option T reads the text atributes of the current item, but when I press it, nothing happens. Then I went to the find menu and discovered that control option command B finds the bold elements on the webpage. So I tried that, and nothing happened. Any ideas on how I can get this info? Thanks, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with bold text?
Thanks for the suggestions, but it looks like VO Simply isn't recognizing the fact that some of the items on this page are bold while others are not. Control option command C skips right over the text completely bold and all. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-20, at 4:26 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: Perhaps vo-shift-command-b to search in reverse? The other possibility is that vo-command-c might help you out. Jon On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:21 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, I'm stuck. I've got to look at some information on the web where certain elements are marked in bold. So, I tooled around in the hotkeys list and found that control option T reads the text atributes of the current item, but when I press it, nothing happens. Then I went to the find menu and discovered that control option command B finds the bold elements on the webpage. So I tried that, and nothing happened. Any ideas on how I can get this info? Thanks, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with bold text?
Hi Eric, Control-Option-Command-B moves me to the next bold text and adding a Shift to that moves me to the previous bold text. The announcement of text attributes (VO-T) tells me about the font colors. The easy way for me to check that this is working is to select the web page and send the text to a TextEdit window by using the New TextEdit Window Containing Selection Service Menu option, which I enabled and bound to a keyboard shortcut, so all I have to do is select all in the web page with Command-A, then execute my shortcut to send this to TextEdit. Looking through things in TextEdit makes it very easy to tell just what font is being used (size and whether it is bold), because I can simply select a sample of text and bring up the font table with Command-T. If I use VO-Command-B to find next instance of bold text (as Jon suggested) or VO-Shift-Command-B to find previous instance of bold text, I'll move through the file to each instance of bold text. If there's no further bold text, issuing VO-Command-B won't move me anywhere, while VO-Shift-Command-B moves me to the previous instance of bold text. I'm not saying this works on the web page you are looking at, but it did on the ones that I tried. Plus, only having to execute two shortcuts (Command-A to select all, and the shortcut I chose to assign the service menu shortcut) to get the selection to a TextEdit file (in rich text format) is a lot faster than mucking around in the HTML navigation, where you might have extraneous image elements, etc. If you want to set up the Services menu option for New TextEdit Window Containing Selection, I wrote this up in a list post back in March: Two ways to deal with the problem web site [was Re: Web site problems]: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg42795.html This was one of two solutions offered to reading a really awful web site (you can read the previous comments by Anne, and the initial post by the person who needed a solution). Sending things to TextEdit via the Services menu strips them of a lot of bad HTML coding that affects accessibility, and is also much cleaner and faster than trying to copy and paste if you're really just interested in the text content. There are a few corrections to the instructions -- I think I incorrectly referred to the Keyboard Shortcuts Table as Table of Services because I was using old notes, and was nearly on my way out the door. Also, a quick way to get to the Services Preferences menu with all the correct items selected is to just select something in any application, and then navigate to the Services menu for that application (could be Mail, Safari, TextEdit, or anything -- just make sure to select some text or a page first, since the service menu options don't show up if there's nothing selected for them to operate on.) At the bottom of the Services submenu options, there will be a Services Preferences… option. Selecting that bypasses about the first 4 steps of the old instructions, since you don't have to start by bringing up System Preferences, finding the Keyboard menu, selecting the Keyboard Shortcuts tab, and selecting Services in the Keyboard Shortcuts Categories. All those will automatically be set, and you can just search for New TextEdit Window Containing Selection to check the box to enable it under the Services menu. I've never understood why this Services menu option has received so little attention on this list, since I find it really useful. I use TextEdit a lot for handling math symbols or non-latin text. But I also used to use this method to read problematic web pages, including back in the time some years ago when there was a Safari bug that sometimes didn't expose the page elements to VoiceOver unless you refreshed the page. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:35, erik burggraaf wrote: Thanks for the suggestions, but it looks like VO Simply isn't recognizing the fact that some of the items on this page are bold while others are not. Control option command C skips right over the text completely bold and all. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-20, at 4:26 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: Perhaps vo-shift-command-b to search in reverse? The other possibility is that vo-command-c might help you out. Jon On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:21 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, I'm stuck. I've got to look at some information on the web where certain elements are marked in bold. So, I tooled around in the hotkeys list and found that control option T reads the text atributes of the current item, but when I press it, nothing happens. Then I went to the find menu and discovered that control option command B finds the bold elements on the webpage. So I tried that, and nothing happened. Any ideas on how I can get this info?
Re: Help with bold text?
Hi Esther, Thanks very much for this. I've never needed so much detail in the 15 years or so that I've been using a pc, but I could always get it with a keystroke if I wanted it. Now that I have this set up according to your instructions, it will do, but it is really really clunky. Ah well some things we must do. Thanks again. Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-20, at 5:37 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Eric, Control-Option-Command-B moves me to the next bold text and adding a Shift to that moves me to the previous bold text. The announcement of text attributes (VO-T) tells me about the font colors. The easy way for me to check that this is working is to select the web page and send the text to a TextEdit window by using the New TextEdit Window Containing Selection Service Menu option, which I enabled and bound to a keyboard shortcut, so all I have to do is select all in the web page with Command-A, then execute my shortcut to send this to TextEdit. Looking through things in TextEdit makes it very easy to tell just what font is being used (size and whether it is bold), because I can simply select a sample of text and bring up the font table with Command-T. If I use VO-Command-B to find next instance of bold text (as Jon suggested) or VO-Shift-Command-B to find previous instance of bold text, I'll move through the file to each instance of bold text. If there's no further bold text, issuing VO-Command-B won't move me anywhere, while VO-Shift-Command-B moves me to the previous instance of bold text. I'm not saying this works on the web page you are looking at, but it did on the ones that I tried. Plus, only having to execute two shortcuts (Command-A to select all, and the shortcut I chose to assign the service menu shortcut) to get the selection to a TextEdit file (in rich text format) is a lot faster than mucking around in the HTML navigation, where you might have extraneous image elements, etc. If you want to set up the Services menu option for New TextEdit Window Containing Selection, I wrote this up in a list post back in March: Two ways to deal with the problem web site [was Re: Web site problems]: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg42795.html This was one of two solutions offered to reading a really awful web site (you can read the previous comments by Anne, and the initial post by the person who needed a solution). Sending things to TextEdit via the Services menu strips them of a lot of bad HTML coding that affects accessibility, and is also much cleaner and faster than trying to copy and paste if you're really just interested in the text content. There are a few corrections to the instructions -- I think I incorrectly referred to the Keyboard Shortcuts Table as Table of Services because I was using old notes, and was nearly on my way out the door. Also, a quick way to get to the Services Preferences menu with all the correct items selected is to just select something in any application, and then navigate to the Services menu for that application (could be Mail, Safari, TextEdit, or anything -- just make sure to select some text or a page first, since the service menu options don't show up if there's nothing selected for them to operate on.) At the bottom of the Services submenu options, there will be a Services Preferences… option. Selecting that bypasses about the first 4 steps of the old instructions, since you don't have to start by bringing up System Preferences, finding the Keyboard menu, selecting the Keyboard Shortcuts tab, and selecting Services in the Keyboard Shortcuts Categories. All those will automatically be set, and you can just search for New TextEdit Window Containing Selection to check the box to enable it under the Services menu. I've never understood why this Services menu option has received so little attention on this list, since I find it really useful. I use TextEdit a lot for handling math symbols or non-latin text. But I also used to use this method to read problematic web pages, including back in the time some years ago when there was a Safari bug that sometimes didn't expose the page elements to VoiceOver unless you refreshed the page. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:35, erik burggraaf wrote: Thanks for the suggestions, but it looks like VO Simply isn't recognizing the fact that some of the items on this page are bold while others are not. Control option command C skips right over the text completely bold and all. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-20, at 4:26 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: Perhaps vo-shift-command-b to search in reverse? The other possibility is
