Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior
In relation to the original post to the thread. If I move my finger to the top left hand corner. I hear the signal strength of the mobile. If I move to the right on the same line of the status bar. I hear my mobile (cellular) provider. Then I hear the wireless signal and then the SID of the wireless. this is all done on a IPhone 5. In relation to Bugs. Of course there are priorities. Therefore, if 100k user’s have a issue compared to 10k users (k = 1000) then product management will allocate the necessary resources to the larger number of people being effected. Thus bugs related to VO are going to be lower on the list always. Unless the bug is truly impacting the product and the end-user. What they call a show stopper. EG: crashes is one that will get higher attention due to QA. 8.x has some real major bugs related to navigation in apps. 8.3 might have fixed the issue in Audible where you couldn’t navigate through the books in your library in any normal order. It would jump over book details and would not move backwards. Still playing with this. Emails also jump over the place where I have found after deleting an email, you end up in a different location, rather then being on the next message. all the above issues did not occur in 7.x. Thus why the QA in my humble opinion was not done correctly in the first place. There is a lot of posts out there that also complain that 8.x was not as stable as previous versions. Sean On 12 Apr 2015, at 2:21 pm, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Thanks for that, it should be a good read and I have bookmarked it. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 9:17 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: In case you're not familiar with some of this philosophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good Watson-Watt, who developed early warning radar in Britain to counter the rapid growth of the Luftwaffe, propounded a cult of the imperfect, which he stated as Give them the third best to go on with; the second best comes too late, the best never comes. CB On 4/11/15 4:24 PM, The Believer wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open,
Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior
I agree with you on Apple being not perfect, beta testers aren't perfect as well. When I tested iOS 8, I didn't think of going into an app like Weather and tapping the status bar to see if I could see my network. I was more focussed on other serious issues like touch tones not being audible. Like I said on another mailing list, this bug or strange behavior isn't really that important. We can see how many bars we have with our network connection right? So shouldn't we have enough common sense to realize that our carriers wouldn't change on us? Shawn Sent From My White Macbook - Original Message - From: The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 5:56 PM Subject: Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior If beta testing were to be truly effective, Apple would have to create a very detailed flow chart the testers would have to follow faithfully. That in itself would not be practical. More testers on the team tho I have no idea how many there are now. We could label this any way we like but bugs are things that do any number of things that are not desired. This is not a desired result of tapping the status bar therefore its a buglet. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 2:04 PM, Shen wrote: Hello, Thank you all for responding to my email and confirming the strange behavior. Note that I said strange behavior, and not bug. In my opinion, it's not a bug, but a strange behavior. A strange behavior which has never happened in the past. Here's also my opinion on Apple's beta test and what not. I agree that everything is a work in progress. I also agree that when something as complicated as an operating system, it is almost impossible to be completely bug free. However, Apple has a dedicated Accessibility team. They also have senior engineers who answer calls helping end users with accessibility issues. I've also met people, blind and not, who are private beta testers for VoiceOver and Zoom. With all this in place, it seems so impossible for something as obvious as an incorrect status bar item to slip through without being discovered. It is almost impossible to test a braille display without seeing this issue. Of course private beta testers are just that, private, certain select people, and who probably are not as thorough as people who work for Apple. All we can do is report it as a new issue and hope Apple will add it to their growing list of bugs to fix. I also agree that the missing email in the inbox is still there. I thought I'm the only person having this issue. I also have a new bug in Yosemite after updating to 10.10.3. I will check into that further before I report it to Apple. Shen goalb...@gmail.com On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:24 PM, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com
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Hi! Yes this happens on my Iphone 5 S also. Strange but not a big deal. /A 11 apr 2015 kl. 09:15 skrev Shen goalb...@gmail.com: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior
Ordinarily I might say yes, but the problem comes when the status bar displays extended network, which could mean that you don't want to use data, as you will be charged. Roaming is a serious thing with some carriers, so it may be a bigger problem than you might think. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2015, at 2:37 AM, BBS bbssh...@icloud.com wrote: I agree with you on Apple being not perfect, beta testers aren't perfect as well. When I tested iOS 8, I didn't think of going into an app like Weather and tapping the status bar to see if I could see my network. I was more focussed on other serious issues like touch tones not being audible. Like I said on another mailing list, this bug or strange behavior isn't really that important. We can see how many bars we have with our network connection right? So shouldn't we have enough common sense to realize that our carriers wouldn't change on us? Shawn Sent From My White Macbook - Original Message - From: The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 5:56 PM Subject: Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior If beta testing were to be truly effective, Apple would have to create a very detailed flow chart the testers would have to follow faithfully. That in itself would not be practical. More testers on the team tho I have no idea how many there are now. We could label this any way we like but bugs are things that do any number of things that are not desired. This is not a desired result of tapping the status bar therefore its a buglet. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 2:04 PM, Shen wrote: Hello, Thank you all for responding to my email and confirming the strange behavior. Note that I said strange behavior, and not bug. In my opinion, it's not a bug, but a strange behavior. A strange behavior which has never happened in the past. Here's also my opinion on Apple's beta test and what not. I agree that everything is a work in progress. I also agree that when something as complicated as an operating system, it is almost impossible to be completely bug free. However, Apple has a dedicated Accessibility team. They also have senior engineers who answer calls helping end users with accessibility issues. I've also met people, blind and not, who are private beta testers for VoiceOver and Zoom. With all this in place, it seems so impossible for something as obvious as an incorrect status bar item to slip through without being discovered. It is almost impossible to test a braille display without seeing this issue. Of course private beta testers are just that, private, certain select people, and who probably are not as thorough as people who work for Apple. All we can do is report it as a new issue and hope Apple will add it to their growing list of bugs to fix. I also agree that the missing email in the inbox is still there. I thought I'm the only person having this issue. I also have a new bug in Yosemite after updating to 10.10.3. I will check into that further before I report it to Apple. Shen goalb...@gmail.com On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:24 PM, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something
Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior
I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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My Bad you say, tomato and I say, ... Whether you refer to it as strange behavior, issues, problem, bugs, or etc., it really doesn't matter You wouldn't have posted something if it didn't catch your attention I agree with your assessment of Apple being a Work IN Progress, but I also agree that Google and Microsoft are also Works IN Progress Some require more ironing than others, if you catch my drift At 02:04 PM 4/11/2015, you wrote: Hello, Thank you all for responding to my email and confirming the strange behavior. Note that I said strange behavior, and not bug. In my opinion, it's not a bug, but a strange behavior. A strange behavior which has never happened in the past. Here's also my opinion on Apple's beta test and what not. I agree that everything is a work in progress. I also agree that when something as complicated as an operating system, it is almost impossible to be completely bug free. However, Apple has a dedicated Accessibility team. They also have senior engineers who answer calls helping end users with accessibility issues. I've also met people, blind and not, who are private beta testers for VoiceOver and Zoom. With all this in place, it seems so impossible for something as obvious as an incorrect status bar item to slip through without being discovered. It is almost impossible to test a braille display without seeing this issue. Of course private beta testers are just that, private, certain select people, and who probably are not as thorough as people who work for Apple. All we can do is report it as a new issue and hope Apple will add it to their growing list of bugs to fix. I also agree that the missing email in the inbox is still there. I thought I'm the only person having this issue. I also have a new bug in Yosemite after updating to 10.10.3. I will check into that further before I report it to Apple. Shen goalb...@gmail.com On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:24 PM, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to
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I'm sorry to say this, but not every bug in every situation can and will be fixed. That's the reality of software development. Public betas will just widen the scope of who can and cannot test, who can and cannot report bugs etc. Also, bugs are fixed in some sort of priority order. On 11 Apr 2015, at 21:15, Robin robin-mel...@comcast.net wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
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Hello, Thank you all for responding to my email and confirming the strange behavior. Note that I said strange behavior, and not bug. In my opinion, it's not a bug, but a strange behavior. A strange behavior which has never happened in the past. Here's also my opinion on Apple's beta test and what not. I agree that everything is a work in progress. I also agree that when something as complicated as an operating system, it is almost impossible to be completely bug free. However, Apple has a dedicated Accessibility team. They also have senior engineers who answer calls helping end users with accessibility issues. I've also met people, blind and not, who are private beta testers for VoiceOver and Zoom. With all this in place, it seems so impossible for something as obvious as an incorrect status bar item to slip through without being discovered. It is almost impossible to test a braille display without seeing this issue. Of course private beta testers are just that, private, certain select people, and who probably are not as thorough as people who work for Apple. All we can do is report it as a new issue and hope Apple will add it to their growing list of bugs to fix. I also agree that the missing email in the inbox is still there. I thought I'm the only person having this issue. I also have a new bug in Yosemite after updating to 10.10.3. I will check into that further before I report it to Apple. Shen goalb...@gmail.com On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:24 PM, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To
Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior
The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --
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Personal Aloha, Charlie On Apr 10, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
IoS 8.3, strange behavior
I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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i just tried it on my 6 and, yes, i get the same thing that you are getting. Vivianna On Apr 11, 2015, at 2:15 AM, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior
Sorry for single word message, slip of the finger on my end. As far as the original subject matter goes the problem is in the update not your phone same result using 5s. Might do well letting Apple know. Aloha, Charlie On Apr 10, 2015, at 9:43 PM, Charlie Doremus giantdolp...@gmail.com wrote: Personal Aloha, Charlie On Apr 10, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Yes, this is happening on my iPhone 5 as well. However, if you swipe left beyond the swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the notification center ... the phone says (in my case), 3 of 5 bars signal strength but doesn't give the name of my phone carrier. On 4/11/2015 12:15 AM, Shen wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Thanks for that, it should be a good read and I have bookmarked it. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 9:17 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: In case you're not familiar with some of this philosophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good Watson-Watt, who developed early warning radar in Britain to counter the rapid growth of the Luftwaffe, propounded a cult of the imperfect, which he stated as Give them the third best to go on with; the second best comes too late, the best never comes. CB On 4/11/15 4:24 PM, The Believer wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
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Yes I can confirm this with an iPhone 6. I still hear 3 of 5 bars next to it, but the network name is not spoken. Very odd. Lisette On 11/04/2015, at 7:15 pm, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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In case you're not familiar with some of this philosophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good Watson-Watt, who developed early warning radar in Britain to counter the rapid growth of the Luftwaffe, propounded a cult of the imperfect, which he stated as Give them the third best to go on with; the second best comes too late, the best never comes. CB On 4/11/15 4:24 PM, The Believer wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You
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How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi, there, I have just tried it on my I phone 6 plus, in the calendar app it says 3 of 5 bars signal, but it doesn't say e e network any more, Sarah. Saz Leadbetter sent from my I phone 6 plus On 11 Apr 2015, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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If beta testing were to be truly effective, Apple would have to create a very detailed flow chart the testers would have to follow faithfully. That in itself would not be practical. More testers on the team tho I have no idea how many there are now. We could label this any way we like but bugs are things that do any number of things that are not desired. This is not a desired result of tapping the status bar therefore its a buglet. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 2:04 PM, Shen wrote: Hello, Thank you all for responding to my email and confirming the strange behavior. Note that I said strange behavior, and not bug. In my opinion, it's not a bug, but a strange behavior. A strange behavior which has never happened in the past. Here's also my opinion on Apple's beta test and what not. I agree that everything is a work in progress. I also agree that when something as complicated as an operating system, it is almost impossible to be completely bug free. However, Apple has a dedicated Accessibility team. They also have senior engineers who answer calls helping end users with accessibility issues. I've also met people, blind and not, who are private beta testers for VoiceOver and Zoom. With all this in place, it seems so impossible for something as obvious as an incorrect status bar item to slip through without being discovered. It is almost impossible to test a braille display without seeing this issue. Of course private beta testers are just that, private, certain select people, and who probably are not as thorough as people who work for Apple. All we can do is report it as a new issue and hope Apple will add it to their growing list of bugs to fix. I also agree that the missing email in the inbox is still there. I thought I'm the only person having this issue. I also have a new bug in Yosemite after updating to 10.10.3. I will check into that further before I report it to Apple. Shen goalb...@gmail.com On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:24 PM, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the Powerball. It's called work in progress. If people wait for an OS that is 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait. This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their attention from much more important bugs. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote: I thought the advent of public BetaTesting would resolve these perceived bugs' and/or flaws in Apple's iOS (iOS8 Beyond) This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates such as, iOS9 I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived bugs and/or flaws detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's Accessibility Department Is Apple slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell the true story At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote: When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on the I phone. It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily. On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of
Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior
Maybe this has always existed, but since Sprint just enabled the feature, I don't know. In my status bar, it suggests that I am connected to a sprint wifi hot spot. I guess it's a weird way to indicate that wifi calling has been enabled, but my wifi itself isn't named Sprint. - Original Message - From: Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 6:53 AM Subject: Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with something that was working. My experience is the part On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug. Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed. On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen goalb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny. If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following: First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are using, ATT, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc. Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far. With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver still say the name of your network? Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. But VoiceOver says, Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to scroll to top. So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly. I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to them. Might be another call to Apple Accessibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
