RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok folks,

 Can't we put this to rest?

 Anne and Jonathan have produced a good product that can only increase our 
abilities when using pages / Voiceover.

As for handing out copies of the book for free,

All I can say is if you do that then I hope you know your copywrite laws, 
because that's a breech of copywrite!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 1:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

 

Don't do me any favors Jason. Your offer has a taint to it.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who 
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
>> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>> 
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I 
>>> don't need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
 anything to you or your family?
 
 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
 producing this guide,
 
 They've worked hard to put it together,
 
 And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
 Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on 
 the Mac with VoiceOver
 
 Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
 freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
 beneficial knowledge.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the 
> day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in 
> winter, then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so 
> cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it 
> were true?
> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free 
>> to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who 
>> have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>> 
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience 
>>> as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of 
>>> time—time that the author could be using to do other things for 
>>> themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating 
>>> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of 
>>> useful knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS 
>>> with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this 
>>> book and encorporate some of its information into training 
>>> sessions as appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a 
>>> lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s 
>>> not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a 
>>> book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
>>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be 
>>> shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>> 
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>> 
>>> DFTBA!
>>> 
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>> 
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
 which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
 financially able or not.
 
 
> 

RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Simon Fogarty]

When I think about it I'm not sure what issue people have with paying $35 USA 
to buy this eBook,

I'm guessing it will cost me around $50 NZ dollars to buy the same book, 
But I'll be buying it.

 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 5:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

Well, I agree there is value in sharing knowledge but in capitalistic 
economies, value is usually given for value received. That's why educators and 
others who advance knowledge are paid for their services. Maybe you should 
explain what you mean by free knowledge because it seems as if it's your 
singular opinion. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't 
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
>> producing this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>> beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the 
>>> day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, 
>>> then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free 
 to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have 
 the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of 
> time—time that the author could be using to do other things for 
> themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating 
> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
> knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS 
> with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book 
> and encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
>> financially able or not.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to 
>>> have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. 
>>> The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, 
>>> and I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Dora Speck]

Wait, what book is this?

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Amazon
> 
>> On 3/1/2016 7:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching 
>> to a blind computer user,
>> So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written 
>> specifically for Voiceover users 
>> 
>> Show me another book like this that's as cheap.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>> with VoiceOver
>> 
>> That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
>> creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be 
>> very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were 
>> told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  
>> And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have 
>> everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a 
>> book about home improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About 
>> cooking or gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no 
>> reason that this should be any different.
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
>>> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
 
  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
 if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
 you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?
 
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves 
>> and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
>>> financially able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to 
 have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. 
 The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and 
 I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Amazon

On 3/1/2016 7:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching 
> to a blind computer user,
> So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written 
> specifically for Voiceover users 
> 
> Show me another book like this that's as cheap.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
> creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be 
> very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were 
> told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  
> And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have 
> everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a 
> book about home improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About 
> cooking or gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no 
> reason that this should be any different.
> Donna
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
>> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
>
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves 
> and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>
> DFTBA!
>
> John D. Lipsey
>
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter: @J_TGL
>
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
>> financially able or not.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to 
>>> have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. 
>>> The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and 
>>> I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone, 

RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Simon Fogarty]

I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching to 
a blind computer user,
So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written specifically 
for Voiceover users 

Show me another book like this that's as cheap.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be very 
happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were told that 
we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  And unless 
you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have everything 
handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a book about home 
improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About cooking or 
gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no reason that 
this should be any different.
Donna
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
> sharing beneficial knowledge.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
 together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
 that the author could be using to do other things for themselves 
 and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
 something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
 
 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
 prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
 tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
 
 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
 
 DFTBA!
 
 John D. Lipsey
 
 mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
 
 Twitter: @J_TGL
 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
> financially able or not.
> 
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to 
>> have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. 
>> The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and 
>> I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>> people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

On 3/1/2016 2:14 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> Thank you Ann. I will gladly purchase this book. You deserved to be paid for 
> your talents, and for your work. You shouldn’t be expected to work for free. 
> Blind people need to stop this entitlement crap! This is your niche. You do 
> an awesome job. We all appreciate your dedication.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
>> distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, 
>> you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done 
>> so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same 
>> list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you 
>> never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you 
>> have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? 
>> I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no 
>> way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to 
>> work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be 
>> getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't 
>> get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their 
>> time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and 
>> only charge $15 p
er hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, 
which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over what it 
would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than 
reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will 
gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not 
pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan 
for yet another awesome book. 
>> Aleeha Dudley 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>>
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
 why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>>
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
>> producing this guide,
>>
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>
>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>>
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
>
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Thank you Ann. I will gladly purchase this book. You deserved to be paid for 
your talents, and for your work. You shouldn’t be expected to work for free. 
Blind people need to stop this entitlement crap! This is your niche. You do an 
awesome job. We all appreciate your dedication.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
> distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, 
> you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done 
> so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list 
> as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never 
> had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have 
> one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I 
> should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way 
> you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work 
> one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one 
> because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. 
> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and 
> hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 
> per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This 
> book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over 
> what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than 
> reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will 
> gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will 
> not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and 
> Jonathan for yet another awesome book. 
> Aleeha Dudley 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
>>> why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>> 
>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
 need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
 
> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
> anything to you or your family?
> 
> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
> this guide,
> 
> They've worked hard to put it together,
> 
> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
> beneficial knowledge.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
 together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
 that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
 or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

hahaha

On 3/1/2016 12:42 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> I really hope that's true, because I'm getting tired of having to put up with 
> these little thieving, Disagreeable little brats I'm list. The last one tried 
> to bring us all down for disagreeing with him. now this one wants to tell us 
> how great thievery is
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral 
>> compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with 
>> people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it 
>> too.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Aleeha,
>>>
>>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>>>
>>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>>> you until the very end through this mess.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>>
>>>
>>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>>> awesome book.
>>> Aleeha Dudley
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:

 I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
 asks. Contact me if you want it.

> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>
> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>>> worth anything to you or your family?
>>>
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>>> producing this guide,
>>>
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>>>
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>>
 On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

I really hope that's true, because I'm getting tired of having to put up with 
these little thieving, Disagreeable little brats I'm list. The last one tried 
to bring us all down for disagreeing with him. now this one wants to tell us 
how great thievery is


Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. 
> The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like 
> this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>> 
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
 so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
 
 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
> wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>> worth anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>> producing this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

 

Don't do me any favors Jason. Your offer has a taint to it.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
>> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>> 
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
 anything to you or your family?
 
 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
 this guide,
 
 They've worked hard to put it together,
 
 And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
 Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
 with VoiceOver
 
 Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
 freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
 beneficial knowledge.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>> 
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>> 
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>> 
>>> DFTBA!
>>> 
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>> 
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
 which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
 able or not.
 
 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Those who got a free copy will benefit a lot from this book also. Nobody
will starve or die by freely sharing this book.

On 2/29/2016 11:15 PM, E.T. wrote:
>It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral
> compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with
> people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with
> it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>>
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>>
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>
>>
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>>
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
 so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
> wrote:
>
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>> worth anything to you or your family?
>>
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>> producing this guide,
>>
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>>
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>
>>>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Chris Gilland]

fair enough. Your point is taken. And I do agree. enough said. Everybody have a 
blessed day.

Chris.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 18:15, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. 
> The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like 
> this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>> 
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
 so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
 
 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
> wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>> worth anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>> producing this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[E.T.]

   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral 
compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with 
people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with 
it too.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Aleeha,

I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.

I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
you until the very end through this mess.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
Mac with VoiceOver


That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
awesome book.
Aleeha Dudley

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:

I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.


On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life

On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.


On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
worth anything to you or your family?

I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
producing this guide,

They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
the Mac with VoiceOver

Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
other than sharing beneficial knowledge.


On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

 You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?


On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.


On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aleeha,

I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could agree 
more with you, if someone asked me to do so.


I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You cannot 
know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support you until 
the very end through this mess.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
with VoiceOver



That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, 
you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done 
so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same 
list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you 
never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you 
have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? 
I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no 
way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to 
work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be 
getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't 
get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their 
time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and 
only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS 
certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, 
costs just over what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I 
find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book 
at some point and will gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to 
right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. 
Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome book.

Aleeha Dudley

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:

I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.


On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?


so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life

On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.


On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
anything to you or your family?


I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
producing this guide,


They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw

Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
Mac with VoiceOver


Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
sharing beneficial knowledge.



On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

 You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?


On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.


On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
knowledge.


Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
encorporate some of its information into 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Aleeha Dudley]

That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, you 
said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done so. 
Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list as 
the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never had a 
job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have 
you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I should be so 
lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way you can 
understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and 
expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your 
talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. Wouldn't that 
upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and hard work. I 
train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 per hour for that 
training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless 
contains several hours of information, costs just over what it would to get two 
hours of training from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will 
probably purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information 
from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I 
can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome 
book. 
Aleeha Dudley 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
>> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>> 
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
 anything to you or your family?
 
 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
 this guide,
 
 They've worked hard to put it together,
 
 And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
 Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
 with VoiceOver
 
 Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
 freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
 beneficial knowledge.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>> 
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>> grand scheme 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[John D. Lipsey]

Congratulations on that, I guess.

As much as I enjoy free information, I’m going to go buy a copy of the book 
sometime before this week is out. Finding the time to sit down and delve into 
it is going to be the tricky part.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:17, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> That's the best thing I've read for you in a while. Thanks kid, but I've
> already shared the book to at least 9 people since your message. Thanks
> to everybody who reached out.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 9:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Thank you Jason for letting us know.  Now, we have evidence of your
>> message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy
>> of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well
>> as to Anne Robertson.
>> 
>> Smooth move, XLax!
>> 
>> Never mind my sarcasm.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. 
>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>> 
>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
 need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
 
 On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
> worth anything to you or your family?
> 
> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
> producing this guide,
> 
> They've worked hard to put it together,
> 
> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
> the Mac with VoiceOver
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other
> than sharing beneficial knowledge.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>> true?
>> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
 together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
 that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
 or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
 something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful
 knowledge.
 
 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
 prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
 tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
 
 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
 
 DFTBA!
 
 John D. 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

That's the best thing I've read for you in a while. Thanks kid, but I've
already shared the book to at least 9 people since your message. Thanks
to everybody who reached out.

On 2/29/2016 9:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Thank you Jason for letting us know.  Now, we have evidence of your
> message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy
> of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well
> as to Anne Robertson.
> 
> Smooth move, XLax!
> 
> Never mind my sarcasm.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
> Mac with VoiceOver
> 
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. 
>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
 worth anything to you or your family?

 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
 producing this guide,

 They've worked hard to put it together,

 And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
 Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
 the Mac with VoiceOver

 Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
 book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other
 than sharing beneficial knowledge.

 On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>
>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
> true?
>
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>
>>> DFTBA!
>>>
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw 
 wrote:

 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge
 which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially
 able or not.


 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thank you Jason for letting us know.  Now, we have evidence of your message, 
and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy of your mail 
and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well as to Anne 
Robertson.


Smooth move, XLax!

Never mind my sarcasm.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Shaw" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
with VoiceOver



I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.

On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?


so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life

On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.

On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
anything to you or your family?


I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
producing this guide,


They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw

Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
Mac with VoiceOver


Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
sharing beneficial knowledge.


On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:

  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?

On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:

I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
knowledge.


Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
tried to charge that much for this knowledge.

That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL

On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  
wrote:


This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge
which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially
able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have
a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I
was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile .
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com 




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> wrote:

   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.

On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
> 
> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>>> anything to you or your family?
>>>
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>>> this guide,
>>>
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>>> with VoiceOver
>>>
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>>> beneficial knowledge.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
 if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
 you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?

 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>
>> DFTBA!
>>
>> John D. Lipsey
>>
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>>> able or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
 a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
 instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
 was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.

 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 




 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:

Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

thank you so much ann
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> Thank you for buying the book.
> 
> Below my signature are instructions for printing a batch of envelopes from 
> Contacts.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> Use Contacts to address envelopes.
> 
> • Put the selected card or cards into a new group;
> • Press Command-P to bring up the Print dialogue;
> • Navigate to the last visible item (VO-End) then go left twice. If you find 
> Show Details button, click it;
> • Use the Item Chooser to find the label Style;
> • Go right to the pop up button;
> • Pop it and select "Envelopes" if it is not already saying "Envelopes";
> • Navigate right to Layout and select it;
> • Navigate right past the other two tabs and click the button to the right of 
> where it says "layout" again;
> • Navigate down the menu, past Save as, delete and so on, until you find 
> either International envelopes or North American Envelopes submenu;
> • Select the appropriate envelope type;
> • Navigate right to see the exact dimensions of the envelope, the position 
> and size of the recipient's address panel (how far from top, how far from 
> left and how big);
> • Continue to navigate right, past the field telling you the number of 
> addresses selected and the zoom slider and you'll find the position and size 
> of the Sender address panel;
> • Use the Item Chooser menu to locate the Label tab and select it;
> • Navigate right to the checkbox "Print my address", clear this checkbox if 
> you don't want your address to appear on the envelope;
> • Navigate right to the address category pop up button and select the one you 
> want to send from (Home, Work, etc.);
> • Navigate right to the Addresses pop up button where you select the category 
> of address for the recipient(s);
> • To the right again, you select the print order (alphabetical or Postal 
> Code);
> • Continuing right, you can select to print your company name, the 
> recipient's company name, both or neither;
> • To the right again, if you check Country, all country names will be printed 
> unless you check the checkbox Except my country, in which case only other 
> country names will be printed;
> • To the right again, you select font colour (default black);
> • Now use the Item Chooser menu to select the Orientation tab;
> • The first radio button to the right shows the printing to be perpendicular 
> to the feed direction of the envelope, and the second radio button shows it 
> to be parallel;
> • You can now print your envelope.
> 
> Fortunately, Contacts remembers the settings for next time!
> 
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:06, Basioli George > > wrote:
>> 
>> thank you ann and i am buying your book.
>> 
>> is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no 
>> success.
>> thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.
>> 
>> thanks again
>> 
>> george
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello George,
>>> 
>>> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for 
>>> one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts 
>>> if you need to print more than a couple at a time.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George > wrote:
 
 jonathen 
 
 do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
 envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web 
 site.
 
 i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing 
 list of envelopes.
 
 thanks
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this 
> list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it 
> inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would 
> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to 
> do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called 
> "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for 
> making the most of the application.
> You can learn more about the book here 
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need 
> out there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
> Visionaries list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Alan Lemly]

Well, I agree there is value in sharing knowledge but in capitalistic 
economies, value is usually given for value received. That's why educators and 
others who advance knowledge are paid for their services. Maybe you should 
explain what you mean by free knowledge because it seems as if it's your 
singular opinion. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>> this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>> with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>> beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>> able or not.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>>> people on
>>>this list, 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello George,

Thank you for buying the book.

Below my signature are instructions for printing a batch of envelopes from 
Contacts.

Cheers,

Anne

Use Contacts to address envelopes.

• Put the selected card or cards into a new group;
• Press Command-P to bring up the Print dialogue;
• Navigate to the last visible item (VO-End) then go left twice. If you find 
Show Details button, click it;
• Use the Item Chooser to find the label Style;
• Go right to the pop up button;
• Pop it and select "Envelopes" if it is not already saying "Envelopes";
• Navigate right to Layout and select it;
• Navigate right past the other two tabs and click the button to the right of 
where it says "layout" again;
• Navigate down the menu, past Save as, delete and so on, until you find either 
International envelopes or North American Envelopes submenu;
• Select the appropriate envelope type;
• Navigate right to see the exact dimensions of the envelope, the position and 
size of the recipient's address panel (how far from top, how far from left and 
how big);
• Continue to navigate right, past the field telling you the number of 
addresses selected and the zoom slider and you'll find the position and size of 
the Sender address panel;
• Use the Item Chooser menu to locate the Label tab and select it;
• Navigate right to the checkbox "Print my address", clear this checkbox if you 
don't want your address to appear on the envelope;
• Navigate right to the address category pop up button and select the one you 
want to send from (Home, Work, etc.);
• Navigate right to the Addresses pop up button where you select the category 
of address for the recipient(s);
• To the right again, you select the print order (alphabetical or Postal Code);
• Continuing right, you can select to print your company name, the recipient's 
company name, both or neither;
• To the right again, if you check Country, all country names will be printed 
unless you check the checkbox Except my country, in which case only other 
country names will be printed;
• To the right again, you select font colour (default black);
• Now use the Item Chooser menu to select the Orientation tab;
• The first radio button to the right shows the printing to be perpendicular to 
the feed direction of the envelope, and the second radio button shows it to be 
parallel;
• You can now print your envelope.

Fortunately, Contacts remembers the settings for next time!


> On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:06, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> thank you ann and i am buying your book.
> 
> is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no 
> success.
> thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.
> 
> thanks again
> 
> george
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello George,
>> 
>> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for 
>> one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts 
>> if you need to print more than a couple at a time.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> jonathen 
>>> 
>>> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
>>> envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web 
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing list 
>>> of envelopes.
>>> 
>>> thanks
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this 
 list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it 
 inside-out.
 Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would 
 be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to 
 do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called 
 "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making 
 the most of the application.
 You can learn more about the book here 
 .
 Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need 
 out there.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
 
 -- 
 The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
 Visionaries list.
  
 If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
  
 Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara 
 Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[d . prater]

I'm sorry, y'all, for being the one to whine this time. I'm getting to used to 
free books and all from NLS, lol. Gosh they spoil us. Anyways, I am considering 
saving up money for it. Is it on the iBooks store? If so, iTunes cards will 
take care of it. If not, that's okay. I'd just have to go a few steps more. But 
if I don't buy the book, I'll still try and figure out a few things at least, 
and post them as guides on Applevis. I'm probably not as good at the Mac as 
Anne is, but you never know. Maybe I'll surprise myself. :)

Sent from Outlook Mobile.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com




On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:32 AM -0800, "Phil Halton"  wrote:










After reading through all the messages in this thread I am heartened to see the 
Goodcents shown by the majority of the listers. It looks like our friend Jason 
is getting a "free" education today on how the world really works,  


Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it
> should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself
> for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no
> charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive
> tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from
> blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you
> feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available
> and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the
> resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just
> like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain
> things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was
> enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people
> would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can
> tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes
> a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write
> a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While
> I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I
> only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done.
> 
> JMO,
> Scott
> 
>> On 2/29/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only
>> on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy
>> it else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me
>> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the
>> investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
 know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
 to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>>   > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 
 
   --
   The following information is important for all members of the
   Mac Visionaries list.
 
   If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
   list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
   please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than
   posting on the list itself.
 
   Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your
   

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[E.T.]

Jason,
   Free is an oxymoron. Means that nothing is truly free, there is a 
cost to every action. Even taking the time to avail yourself of free 
knowledge comes with a price.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/28/2016 11:21 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.

On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything 
to you or your family?

  I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
this guide,

  They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely 
available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial 
knowledge.

On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:

Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?

On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:

I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.

Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
tried to charge that much for this knowledge.

That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL


On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge
which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially
able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have
a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I
was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile .
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com 




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> wrote:

 Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

 Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
people on
 this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
 clearly knows it inside-out.
 Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
 Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
into an
 eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
published
 it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
 application.
 You can learn more about the book here
 .
 Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely
meets a
 real need out there.
 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

After reading through all the messages in this thread I am heartened to see the 
Goodcents shown by the majority of the listers. It looks like our friend Jason 
is getting a "free" education today on how the world really works,  


Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it
> should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself
> for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no
> charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive
> tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from
> blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you
> feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available
> and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the
> resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just
> like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain
> things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was
> enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people
> would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can
> tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes
> a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write
> a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While
> I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I
> only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done.
> 
> JMO,
> Scott
> 
>> On 2/29/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only
>> on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy
>> it else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me
>> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the
>> investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
 know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
 to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 
 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

And why do you think they should go to the bother of sharing their heart one 
knowledge if there is no incentive for them to do so. I'm talking about earning 
a living here.
If you've ever had to earn your way in this world you'll know what I'm talking 
about. Innovation doesn't come cheap and neither does knowledge. If you want to 
enjoy the fruits of these things be prepared to compensate people for their 
time and effort. When and if you ever use your mind to create something of 
value, you will write fully expect to be compensated for your labors.


Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is
> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than
> sharing beneficial knowledge.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you
>> might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together
 is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the
 author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their
 family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for something as
 long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
 
 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices
 from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to
 charge that much for this knowledge.
 
 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
 
 DFTBA!
 
 John D. Lipsey
 
 mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
 
 Twitter: @J_TGL
 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able
> or not.
> 
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
>> instructors
>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very
>> unprepared
>> to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
>> people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
>> into an
>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
>> published
>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>application.
>>You can learn more about the book here
>>.
>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely
>> meets a
>>   

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I, too bought the book, and was very very proud to do so!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Basioli George 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:06 AM
  Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
with VoiceOver


  thank you ann and i am buying your book.


  is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no 
success.
  thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.


  thanks again


  george

On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:


Hello George,


The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for 
one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts if 
you need to print more than a couple at a time.


Cheers,


Anne




  On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George  wrote:


  jonathen 


  do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web site.


  i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing 
list of envelopes.


  thanks

On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this 
list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it 
inside-out.
Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie 
would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to 
do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac 
Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of 
the application.
You can learn more about the book here.
Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real 
need out there.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org




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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Scott Davert]

Also, for those who want a free resource, which isn't quite as
comprehensive on pages, you may wish to check out:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/mastering-macintosh-voiceover/id899197795?mt=11
It's certainly not as extensive as this book, but it should get you started.

Scott

On 2/29/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> Also, when you pay for the book, you are getting three different formats,
> all for the purchase price.
>
> Way worth it.
>
> Caitlyn
>
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Remember guys and girls,
>>
>> Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be
>> creaming his cut also off the top of this.
>>
>> Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially
>> when the book is probably a great resource.
>>
>> As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really
>> needs to be.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac
>> with VoiceOver
>>
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available
>>> means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible.
>>> However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It
>>> probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do
>>> other things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem
>>> compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and
>>> full of useful knowledge.
>>>
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed
>>> it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of
>>> things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this priced at or above
>>> $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting,
>>> and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>
>>> DFTBA!
>>>
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
 would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
 not.


 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was
> very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
>
>   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen    > wrote:
>
>   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>   clearly knows it inside-out.
>   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>   application.
>   You can learn more about the book here
>   .
>   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>   real need out there.
>   Jonathan Mosen
>   Mosen Consulting
>   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>   http://Mosen.org 
>
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

thank you ann and i am buying your book.

is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no success.
thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.

thanks again

george
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for one 
> envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts if you 
> need to print more than a couple at a time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George > > wrote:
>> 
>> jonathen 
>> 
>> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
>> envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web 
>> site.
>> 
>> i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing list 
>> of envelopes.
>> 
>> thanks
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, 
>>> particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.
>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would 
>>> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to 
>>> do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My 
>>> Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the 
>>> most of the application.
>>> You can learn more about the book here 
>>> .
>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need 
>>> out there.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Why do you think I don't do audio tutorials anymore for people free of 
charge?  When I did, no one ever was greatful, and so I quit.  I still 
record tutorials, and I still offer one on one training, but I absolutely 
refuse to do it any longer for free under any circumstances.  If people want 
my service bad enough, they'll pay, otherwise, they just won't get it.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Davert" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
with VoiceOver



If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it
should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself
for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no
charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive
tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from
blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you
feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available
and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the
resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just
like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain
things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was
enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people
would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can
tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes
a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write
a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While
I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I
only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done.

JMO,
Scott

On 2/29/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m 
only

on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy
it else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me
especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the
investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.


On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:

This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
to help them make a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile .
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com 




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> wrote:

   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Caitlyn Furness]

Also, when you pay for the book, you are getting three different formats, all 
for the purchase price.

Way worth it.

Caitlyn

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Remember guys and girls,
> 
> Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be 
> creaming his cut also off the top of this.
> 
> Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially when 
> the book is probably a great resource.
> 
> As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really needs 
> to be.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability 
> to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
>> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
>> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
>> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other 
>> things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating 
>> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
>> knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate.  
>> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may 
>> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I 
>> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they 
>> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which 
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a 
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
 instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was 
 very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 
 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Caitlyn Furness]

Nobody is forcing anybody to pay.

If you want knowledge, just ask on this and other mac related lists and people 
will help you.

On the other hand, there is no free lunch and people with experience and 
knowledge should be compensated for their time and experience.

that’s life.
Caitlyn

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
> 
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>> to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>application.
>>You can learn more about the book here
>>.
>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>real need out there.
>>Jonathan Mosen
>>Mosen Consulting
>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>http://Mosen.org 
>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Scott Davert]

If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it
should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself
for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no
charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive
tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from
blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you
feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available
and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the
resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just
like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain
things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was
enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people
would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can
tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes
a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write
a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While
I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I
only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done.

 JMO,
Scott

On 2/29/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only
> on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy
> it else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me
> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the
> investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.
>
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
>> not.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>>> to help them make a course for it.
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>>application.
>>>You can learn more about the book here
>>>.
>>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>>real need out there.
>>>Jonathan Mosen
>>>Mosen Consulting
>>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>http://Mosen.org 
>>>
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Donna Goodin]

And let's not forget, folks.  Anne is one of the most knowledgeable Mac users 
on this list, and for years she has generously shared her expertise with us for 
free.  She has been a huge help to me over the years, and personally, I'm glad 
to see her getting some compensation for her knowledge.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only 
> on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy it 
> else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me 
> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the 
> investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>>> to help them make a course for it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>   > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>>   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>   clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>>   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>>   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>>   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>>   application.
>>>   You can learn more about the book here
>>>   .
>>>   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>>   real need out there.
>>>   Jonathan Mosen
>>>   Mosen Consulting
>>>   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>   http://Mosen.org 
>>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello George,

The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for one 
envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts if you 
need to print more than a couple at a time.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> jonathen 
> 
> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
> envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web site.
> 
> i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing list 
> of envelopes.
> 
> thanks
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, 
>> particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.
>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be 
>> willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do 
>> this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac 
>> Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most 
>> of the application.
>> You can learn more about the book here 
>> .
>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need 
>> out there.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have no problems and issues with this either.
I don’t do text or word processing on the mac since the lack of braille support 
is driving me nuts so i stick to linux when i have to write something.
/A
> On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:10, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Remember guys and girls,
> 
> Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be 
> creaming his cut also off the top of this.
> 
> Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially when 
> the book is probably a great resource.
> 
> As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really needs 
> to be.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability 
> to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
>> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
>> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
>> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other 
>> things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating 
>> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
>> knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate.  
>> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may 
>> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I 
>> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they 
>> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which 
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a 
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
 instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was 
 very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 
 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Scott Granados]

I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only on 
computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy it else 
nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me especially when 
you consider how much in return you can get from the investment.  Some people 
just expect to be handed everything for free.

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
> 
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>> to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>application.
>>You can learn more about the book here
>>.
>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>real need out there.
>>Jonathan Mosen
>>Mosen Consulting
>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>http://Mosen.org 
>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

jonathen 

do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web site.

i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing list of 
envelopes.

thanks
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, 
> particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be 
> willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do 
> this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac 
> Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most 
> of the application.
> You can learn more about the book here 
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out 
> there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree with John 1 billion! percent!  Honestly, you all need to be 
greatful, as frankly, $35 is actually quite reasonable, when you consider 
what all Pages can do!


I'm not gonna comment any more on this.  I'll stand to support this until 
the end.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "John D. Lipsey" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
with VoiceOver



I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other 
things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating 
somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
knowledge.


Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. 
Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may 
be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I 
could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they 
ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.


That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL


On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
to help them make a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile .
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com 




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> wrote:

   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Donna Goodin]

That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be very 
happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were told that 
we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  And unless 
you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have everything 
handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a book about home 
improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About cooking or 
gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no reason that 
this should be any different.
Donna
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is
> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than
> sharing beneficial knowledge.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you
>> might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together
 is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the
 author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their
 family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for something as
 long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
 
 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices
 from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to
 charge that much for this knowledge.
 
 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
 
 DFTBA!
 
 John D. Lipsey
 
 mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
 
 Twitter: @J_TGL
 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able
> or not.
> 
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
>> instructors
>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very
>> unprepared
>> to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
>> people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
>> into an
>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
>> published
>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>application.
>>You can learn more about the book here
>>.
>>Thanks 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Ahoy list!
If you can't save up $35.00 may be you shouldn't be using a mac!
This "socialist" attitude of everything should be free is "OFF"  and time is 
money so buy the thing and save time! :)
If you never had to meet the "mortgage" or the "electric bill", I could see 
where  you would bee asking for it to be  free! :)
I guess the "elephant" in the room question is did you buy your mac product or 
did you have the state buy it for you?
If some one else bought it for you you have no clue how much time went in to 
"WORKING" for it, that was actually spent!!!
So get a job and pay Ann for her work and be happy! :)
Talk soon
Chuck
 
On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Just a thought: if you all feel so passionately that an author shouldn't be 
> paid for her work, why not use the resources there are--including buying that 
> book--and become experts yourselves? Then you can freely share all the 
> knowledge you like.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 02:21, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>>> anything to you or your family?
>>> 
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>>> this guide,
>>> 
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>> 
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>>> with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>>> beneficial knowledge.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
 
  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
 if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
 you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?
 
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>>> able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
 a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
 instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
 was very unprepared to help 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

i do not see sited persons gripeing when they pay for those 800 page books on 
how to use all this mac and windows stuff.

stop the winning because you have a disibility and get on with your lifes
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Just a thought: if you all feel so passionately that an author shouldn't be 
> paid for her work, why not use the resources there are--including buying that 
> book--and become experts yourselves? Then you can freely share all the 
> knowledge you like.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 02:21, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>>> anything to you or your family?
>>> 
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>>> this guide,
>>> 
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>> 
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>>> with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>>> beneficial knowledge.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
 
  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
 if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
 you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?
 
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>>> able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
 a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
 instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
 was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>> this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>> with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>> beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
 
 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>> able or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>>> people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

you got that wrong it is sanders who is promossing to give everything for free
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 19:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he 
> will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you 
> do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might 
> remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>> 
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available 
>>> means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. 
>>> However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It 
>>> probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do 
>>> other things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem 
>>> compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and 
>>> full of useful knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate.  
>>> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may 
>>> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I 
>>> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
>>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if 
>>> they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>> 
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>> 
>>> DFTBA!
>>> 
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>> 
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
 would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
 
 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
> to help them make a course for it.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
> 
>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
> 
>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>clearly knows it inside-out.
>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>application.
>You can learn more about the book here
>.
>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>real need out there.
>Jonathan Mosen
>Mosen Consulting
>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>http://Mosen.org 
> 
>--
>The following information is important for all members of the
>Mac Visionaries list.
> 
>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than
>posting on the list itself.
> 
>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your
>owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
>caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
> 
>The archives for 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Alex Hall]

Just a thought: if you all feel so passionately that an author shouldn't be 
paid for her work, why not use the resources there are--including buying that 
book--and become experts yourselves? Then you can freely share all the 
knowledge you like.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 02:21, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>> this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>> with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>> beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
 
 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>> able or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>>> people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.

On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
> anything to you or your family?
> 
>  I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
> this guide,
> 
>  They've worked hard to put it together,
> 
> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
> beneficial knowledge.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>
>>You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>>
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.

 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
 together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
 that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
 or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
 something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.

 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
 prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
 tried to charge that much for this knowledge.

 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

 DFTBA!

 John D. Lipsey

 mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

 Twitter: @J_TGL

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
> able or not.
>
>
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>> people on
>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>> clearly knows it inside-out.
>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge 
>> into an
>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has 
>> published
>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>> application.
>> You can learn more about the book 

RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Simon Fogarty]

So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything 
to you or your family?

 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing this 
guide,

 They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely 
available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial 
knowledge.

On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>>
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>
>>> DFTBA!
>>>
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
 which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
 able or not.


 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
>
> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
> people on
> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
> clearly knows it inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge 
> into an
> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has 
> published
> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
> application.
> You can learn more about the book here
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely 
> meets a
> real need out there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and 

RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Simon Fogarty]

Remember guys and girls,

 Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be 
creaming his cut also off the top of this.

 Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially when 
the book is probably a great resource.

As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really needs 
to be.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody 
with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will 
donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things 
> for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody 
> for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover 
> to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of 
> its information into training sessions as appropriate.  Also, even though $35 
> may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s 
> not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like 
> this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices 
> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that 
> much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which 
>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a 
>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was 
>>> very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>>application.
>>>You can learn more about the book here
>>>.
>>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>>real need out there.
>>>Jonathan Mosen
>>>Mosen Consulting
>>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>http://Mosen.org 
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>The following information is important for all members of the
>>>Mac Visionaries list.
>>>
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>>>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
>>>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than
>>>posting on the list itself.
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>>>owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is
freely available. There are other ways of making money other than
sharing beneficial knowledge.

On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you
> might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together
>>> is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the
>>> author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their
>>> family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for something as
>>> long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>>
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices
>>> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to
>>> charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>
>>> DFTBA!
>>>
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
 would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able
 or not.


 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
> instructors
> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very
> unprepared
> to help them make a course for it.
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
>
> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
> people on
> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
> clearly knows it inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
> into an
> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
> published
> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
> application.
> You can learn more about the book here
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely
> meets a
> real need out there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the
> Mac Visionaries list.
>
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of
> this
> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than
> posting on the list itself.
>
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your
> owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
>   

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[d . prater]

I didn't demand that the book be free. I just have a hope that they'd do guides 
or podcasts on Applevis for it. Some people don't like having to read through 
large chunks of information, some like listening to podcasts, and others just 
don't feel that knowledge that sighted people can ascertain from looking at 
videos and all for free, should cost almost as much as a video game, for blind 
people to use a free application. I know, if I don't like the price, find an 
alternative. But the sad truth is, there are no alternatives that I know of. I 
was embarrassed so much when I couldn't teach the instructor how to use pages 
more than doing basic formatting. It made me, and the whole Mac system, look 
even worse than it originally did to the assistant instructor. Now, the 
assistant "hates the Mac" and I couldn't do anything more to help sway his 
opinion.

Sent from Outlook Mobile.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:41 PM -0800, "Mary Otten"  wrote:










As soon as the people who spend all of their time and resources to make this 
stuff available don't have to buy groceries or pay rent or utilities, then I 
will agree with you. Until then, pay the 35 bucks or stop complaining. Why is 
it that there are so many blind people who think they are owed everything that 
other people put their time and effort into for nothing? If you can afford to 
buy a Mac or an iPhone, you can afford 35 bucks for a book that is going to 
help you use pages if you really need to use pages. And if somebody gave you 
the Mac and or the iPhone, all the more reason why you shouldn't mind spending 
35 bucks on a good professional resource.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
>> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
>> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
>> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other 
>> things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating 
>> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
>> knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate.  
>> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may 
>> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I 
>> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they 
>> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
 know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
 to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>>   > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[E.T.]

   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.


   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you 
might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:

I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things 
for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody 
for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.

Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover 
to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of its 
information into training sessions as appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may 
seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, 
in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from 
Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much 
for this knowledge.

That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL


On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
to help them make a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile .
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com 




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> wrote:

Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
clearly knows it inside-out.
Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
application.
You can learn more about the book here
.
Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
real need out there.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Mary Otten]

As soon as the people who spend all of their time and resources to make this 
stuff available don't have to buy groceries or pay rent or utilities, then I 
will agree with you. Until then, pay the 35 bucks or stop complaining. Why is 
it that there are so many blind people who think they are owed everything that 
other people put their time and effort into for nothing? If you can afford to 
buy a Mac or an iPhone, you can afford 35 bucks for a book that is going to 
help you use pages if you really need to use pages. And if somebody gave you 
the Mac and or the iPhone, all the more reason why you shouldn't mind spending 
35 bucks on a good professional resource.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
>> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
>> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
>> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other 
>> things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating 
>> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
>> knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate.  
>> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may 
>> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I 
>> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to 
>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they 
>> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
 know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
 to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 
 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things 
> for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody 
> for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover 
> to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of 
> its information into training sessions as appropriate.  Also, even though $35 
> may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s 
> not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like 
> this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices 
> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that 
> much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>>> to help them make a course for it.
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>>application.
>>>You can learn more about the book here
>>>.
>>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>>real need out there.
>>>Jonathan Mosen
>>>Mosen Consulting
>>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>http://Mosen.org 
>>>
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[John D. Lipsey]

I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things 
for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody 
for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.

Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover 
to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of its 
information into training sessions as appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may 
seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, 
in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from 
Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much 
for this knowledge.

That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
> 
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>> to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>application.
>>You can learn more about the book here
>>.
>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>real need out there.
>>Jonathan Mosen
>>Mosen Consulting
>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>http://Mosen.org 
>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
> to help them make a course for it.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
> 
> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
> clearly knows it inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
> application.
> You can learn more about the book here
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
> real need out there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[d . prater]

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a free 
option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors know next 
to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared to help them make 
a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"  
wrote:










Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, 
particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.Last 
year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing 
to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and 
Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and 
contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the 
application.You can learn more about the book here.Thanks to Anne and Archie 
for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out there.

Jonathan MosenMosen ConsultingBlindness technology eBooks, tutorials and 
traininghttp://Mosen.org









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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Kevin Chao]

Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this
> list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it
> inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would
> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to
> do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My
> Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the
> most of the application.
> You can learn more about the book here
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need
> out there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, 
particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.
Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be 
willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this 
and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" 
and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the 
application.
You can learn more about the book here .
Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out 
there.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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