RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Simon Fogarty]

Ating an apple now, it keeps the doctor away!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2016 3:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

How did this morph from a moderator's note to holiday wishes to Political 
Science 101 all under the same subject? And nary an Apple anywhere in sight. 
(smiles)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/6/2016 3:53 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Simon, only one candidate per party.
>
> The primaries are held to elect the individual candidates per party so you 
> have a selection process per party and then the general election where one 
> representative of each runs against the other.
>
>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> Are they really,
>> I thought one was democrat and the other republican?
>>
>> Can you have 2 candidates from the same repugnant party in the one election?
>>
>> You yanks are crazy weird people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 5:20 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that 
>> you could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at 
>> this point. They're both repugnant.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Check this out before you vote!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
>>> Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
>>> And the emails just keep coming!
>>> Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan 
>>>> to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can 
>>>> I vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote 
>>>> to be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the 
>>>>> country you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators 
>>>>> and her husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a 
>>>>> guy named Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux 
>>>>> Klan member and openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was 
>>>>> following in his foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she 
>>>>> has a long checker history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play 
>>>>> business dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are 
>>>>> flawed and in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>>>>
>>>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have 
>>>>> any sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this 
>>>>> year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused 
>>>>> and I believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  
>>>>> To give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the 
>>>>> population of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican 
>>>>> and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the 
>>>>> Green party and the write in option.  Voters have the option to write the 
>>>>> name of anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of pic

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[elayneh]

read this also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0fka-FwC8


On 11/6/2016 1:52 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Donna,

  Are they really,
I thought one was democrat and the other republican?

Can you have 2 candidates from the same repugnant party in the one election?

  You yanks are crazy weird people.




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 5:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

Hi Chuck,

Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that you 
could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at this 
point. They're both repugnant.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Hi Donna,
Check this out before you vote!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
And the emails just keep coming!
Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
Chuck


On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan to 
vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I vote 
for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to be 
registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country you 
may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her husband has 
a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named Robert Bird from 
West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and openly used the N 
Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his foot steps.  So let’s 
not give her a pass either, she has a long checker history not only of criminal 
behavior, pay to play business dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both 
candidates are flawed and in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.

To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best described 
as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for example we want 
small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro choice viewpoints.  (just 
an example)  There is also the Green party this year which is a very left 
leaning group heavily environmentally focused and I believe has historical 
connections to the communist workers party.  To give you an idea of the 
percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population of the US will vote Democrat, 
about 45% will vote Republican and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, 
the remainder will be the Green party and the write in option.  Voters have the 
option to write the name of anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of 
picking one of the listed options.  I know for example someone who is writing 
in Kermit The Frog.

Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does not 
as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a complete gun 
grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but like you Simon I 
don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order to sleep at night I 
couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so I didn’t.



On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy
lying scum are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the 
outside Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's 
the right person as for Donny His womanising sexist attitude and general racest 
ignorance makes me want to shoot myself.

And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the male 
species  if he is actually a male!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to me, 
and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the reading 
machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as that between 
priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I have complete 
faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. Sometimes just got to 
go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another person know what you 
thinking.

Sent from my IPhone



On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

Those of you who vote, do you 

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[M. Taylor]

That's quite funny, Scott (smile).

Okay, okay Everyone, enough with this, please close this thread and take the 
subject, off-list.

Thanks,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:40 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

Does it count I used an Apple product to write it?

;)

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 9:44 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   How did this morph from a moderator's note to holiday wishes to 
> Political Science 101 all under the same subject? And nary an Apple 
> anywhere in sight. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/6/2016 3:53 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Simon, only one candidate per party.
>> 
>> The primaries are held to elect the individual candidates per party so you 
>> have a selection process per party and then the general election where one 
>> representative of each runs against the other.
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Are they really,
>>> I thought one was democrat and the other republican?
>>> 
>>> Can you have 2 candidates from the same repugnant party in the one election?
>>> 
>>> You yanks are crazy weird people.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 5:20 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that 
>>> you could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at 
>>> this point. They're both repugnant.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> Check this out before you vote!
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
>>>> Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
>>>> And the emails just keep coming!
>>>> Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I 
>>>>> plan to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but 
>>>>> nor can I vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want 
>>>>> my vote to be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the 
>>>>>> country you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators 
>>>>>> and her husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a 
>>>>>> guy named Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux 
>>>>>> Klan member and openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was 
>>>>>> following in his foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she 
>>>>>> has a long checker history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play 
>>>>>> business dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are 
>>>>>> flawed and in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have 
>>>>>> any sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>>>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>>>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>>>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party 
>>>>>>

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Does it count I used an Apple product to write it?

;)

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 9:44 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   How did this morph from a moderator's note to holiday wishes to Political 
> Science 101 all under the same subject? And nary an Apple anywhere in sight. 
> (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/6/2016 3:53 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Simon, only one candidate per party.
>> 
>> The primaries are held to elect the individual candidates per party so you 
>> have a selection process per party and then the general election where one 
>> representative of each runs against the other.
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Are they really,
>>> I thought one was democrat and the other republican?
>>> 
>>> Can you have 2 candidates from the same repugnant party in the one election?
>>> 
>>> You yanks are crazy weird people.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 5:20 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that 
>>> you could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at 
>>> this point. They're both repugnant.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> Check this out before you vote!
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
>>>> Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
>>>> And the emails just keep coming!
>>>> Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I 
>>>>> plan to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but 
>>>>> nor can I vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want 
>>>>> my vote to be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the 
>>>>>> country you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators 
>>>>>> and her husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a 
>>>>>> guy named Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux 
>>>>>> Klan member and openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was 
>>>>>> following in his foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she 
>>>>>> has a long checker history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play 
>>>>>> business dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are 
>>>>>> flawed and in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have 
>>>>>> any sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>>>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>>>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>>>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party 
>>>>>> this year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally 
>>>>>> focused and I believe has historical connections to the communist 
>>>>>> workers party.  To give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 
>>>>>> 45% of the population of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote 
>>>>>> Republican and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[E.T.]

   How did this morph from a moderator's note to holiday wishes to 
Political Science 101 all under the same subject? And nary an Apple 
anywhere in sight. (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/6/2016 3:53 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Simon, only one candidate per party.

The primaries are held to elect the individual candidates per party so you have 
a selection process per party and then the general election where one 
representative of each runs against the other.


On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Are they really,
I thought one was democrat and the other republican?

Can you have 2 candidates from the same repugnant party in the one election?

You yanks are crazy weird people.




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 5:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

Hi Chuck,

Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that you 
could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at this 
point. They're both repugnant.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Hi Donna,
Check this out before you vote!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
And the emails just keep coming!
Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
Chuck


On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan to 
vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I vote 
for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to be 
registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country you 
may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her husband has 
a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named Robert Bird from 
West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and openly used the N 
Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his foot steps.  So let’s 
not give her a pass either, she has a long checker history not only of criminal 
behavior, pay to play business dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both 
candidates are flawed and in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.

To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best described 
as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for example we want 
small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro choice viewpoints.  (just 
an example)  There is also the Green party this year which is a very left 
leaning group heavily environmentally focused and I believe has historical 
connections to the communist workers party.  To give you an idea of the 
percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population of the US will vote Democrat, 
about 45% will vote Republican and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, 
the remainder will be the Green party and the write in option.  Voters have the 
option to write the name of anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of 
picking one of the listed options.  I know for example someone who is writing 
in Kermit The Frog.

Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does not 
as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a complete gun 
grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but like you Simon I 
don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order to sleep at night I 
couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so I didn’t.



On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy
lying scum are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the 
outside Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's 
the right person as for Donny His womanising sexist attitude and general racest 
ignorance makes me want to shoot myself.

And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the male 
species  if he is actually a male!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to me, 
and Mark my selections 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Simon, only one candidate per party.

The primaries are held to elect the individual candidates per party so you have 
a selection process per party and then the general election where one 
representative of each runs against the other.

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Are they really, 
> I thought one was democrat and the other republican?
> 
> Can you have 2 candidates from the same repugnant party in the one election?
> 
> You yanks are crazy weird people.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 5:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that 
> you could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at 
> this point. They're both repugnant.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Check this out before you vote!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
>> Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
>> And the emails just keep coming!
>> Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan 
>>> to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can 
>>> I vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote 
>>> to be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>>>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>>>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>>>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member 
>>>> and openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in 
>>>> his foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long 
>>>> checker history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business 
>>>> dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and 
>>>> in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>>> 
>>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>>>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this 
>>>> year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused 
>>>> and I believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  
>>>> To give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the 
>>>> population of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican 
>>>> and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the 
>>>> Green party and the write in option.  Voters have the option to write the 
>>>> name of anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of picking one of 
>>>> the listed options.  I know for example someone who is writing in Kermit 
>>>> The Frog.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary 
>>>> does not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a 
>>>> complete gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but 
>>>> like you Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in 
>>>> order to sleep at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either 
>>>> option, so I didn’t.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy 
>>>>> ly

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 Are they really, 
I thought one was democrat and the other republican?

Can you have 2 candidates from the same repugnant party in the one election?

 You yanks are crazy weird people.




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016 5:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

Hi Chuck,

Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that you 
could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at this 
point. They're both repugnant.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Check this out before you vote!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
> Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
> And the emails just keep coming!
> Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
> Chuck
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan 
>> to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I 
>> vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to 
>> be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and 
>>> openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his 
>>> foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long checker 
>>> history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business dealings but 
>>> anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and in full 
>>> disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>> 
>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this 
>>> year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused and 
>>> I believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  To 
>>> give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population 
>>> of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican and the 
>>> remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the Green 
>>> party and the write in option.  Voters have the option to write the name of 
>>> anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of picking one of the listed 
>>> options.  I know for example someone who is writing in Kermit The Frog.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does 
>>> not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a 
>>> complete gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but 
>>> like you Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order 
>>> to sleep at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so 
>>> I didn’t.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy 
>>>> lying scum are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from 
>>>> the outside Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think 
>>>> she's the right person as for Donny His womanising sexist attitude and 
>>>> general racest ignorance makes me want to shoot myself.
>>>> 
>>>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>>>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 Novem

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

I agree I’m glad this came up.  I’m happy to answer for anyone outside the 
country the procedural stuff and how we do things and how our constitution 
works.  It’s an important topic, I’m glad the moderators allowed a little 
leeway but I don’t want to offend folks not interested in the topic either.  
I’m happy to answer questions off list though if any remain.  Just like we had 
I think an important conversation on Brexit our election, especially the non 
partisan procedural stuff is important and effects the rest of the world in a 
similar way.  I’m glad the moderators allowed a bit of wiggle room in the rules 
but I don’t want to abuse that generosity either.
 


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> It's all been interesting and thanks for replying to my question.  I'd love 
> to talk about this some more but am thinking there will be another 
> moderator's note asking us to close this topic.
> 
> On 5 Nov 2016, at 14:33, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna, I went Gary Johnson but leaving it blank is another option.  You 
>> probably also have Jill Stein as your green party option.  You might pick 
>> one of them whom ever closest matches your beliefs.  Or, you could write in, 
>> I hear Kermit needs the votes.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan 
>>> to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can 
>>> I vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote 
>>> to be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>>>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>>>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>>>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member 
>>>> and openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in 
>>>> his foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long 
>>>> checker history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business 
>>>> dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and 
>>>> in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>>> 
>>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>>>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this 
>>>> year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused 
>>>> and I believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  
>>>> To give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the 
>>>> population of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican 
>>>> and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the 
>>>> Green party and the write in option.  Voters have the option to write the 
>>>> name of anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of picking one of 
>>>> the listed options.  I know for example someone who is writing in Kermit 
>>>> The Frog.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary 
>>>> does not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a 
>>>> complete gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but 
>>>> like you Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in 
>>>> order to sleep at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either 
>>>> option, so I didn’t.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying 
>>>>> scum are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the 
>>>>> outside Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think 
>>>>> she's the right perso

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

g a 
>>>> complete gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but 
>>>> like you Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in 
>>>> order to sleep at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either 
>>>> option, so I didn’t.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying 
>>>>> scum are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the 
>>>>> outside Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think 
>>>>> she's the right person as for Donny 
>>>>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want 
>>>>> to shoot myself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of 
>>>>> the male species  if he is actually a male!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it 
>>>>> to me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>>>>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
>>>>> that between priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and 
>>>>> I have complete faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. 
>>>>> Sometimes just got to go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another 
>>>>> person know what you thinking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a 
>>>>>> braille format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a 
>>>>>> local polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have 
>>>>>> no useful vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb 
>>>>>> people's inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my 
>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for any replies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>>>>>>> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as 
>>>>>>> polling places but that’s not a universal thing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> O, Ok,
>>>>>>>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy 
>>>>>>>> insane political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>> Wit

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[E.T.]

   The harsh reality is this. We can vote for neither major candidate, 
or vote for a third party. It will not change the final outcome, one of 
the two candidates will win.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/5/2016 9:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

It's all been interesting and thanks for replying to my question.  I'd love to 
talk about this some more but am thinking there will be another moderator's 
note asking us to close this topic.

On 5 Nov 2016, at 14:33, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Donna, I went Gary Johnson but leaving it blank is another option.  You 
probably also have Jill Stein as your green party option.  You might pick one 
of them whom ever closest matches your beliefs.  Or, you could write in, I hear 
Kermit needs the votes.



On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan to 
vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I vote 
for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to be 
registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country you 
may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her husband has 
a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named Robert Bird from 
West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and openly used the N 
Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his foot steps.  So let’s 
not give her a pass either, she has a long checker history not only of criminal 
behavior, pay to play business dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both 
candidates are flawed and in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.

To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best described 
as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for example we want 
small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro choice viewpoints.  (just 
an example)  There is also the Green party this year which is a very left 
leaning group heavily environmentally focused and I believe has historical 
connections to the communist workers party.  To give you an idea of the 
percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population of the US will vote Democrat, 
about 45% will vote Republican and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, 
the remainder will be the Green party and the write in option.  Voters have the 
option to write the name of anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of 
picking one of the listed options.  I know for example someone who is writing 
in Kermit The Frog.

Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does not 
as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a complete gun 
grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but like you Simon I 
don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order to sleep at night I 
couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so I didn’t.



On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum are 
teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside Hillary 
is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the right person 
as for Donny
His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want to 
shoot myself.

And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the male 
species  if he is actually a male!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to me, 
and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the reading 
machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as that between 
priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I have complete 
faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. Sometimes just got to 
go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another person know what you 
thinking.

Sent from my IPhone



On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a braille 
format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a local polling 
station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no useful vision?  
May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb people's inboxes as it'

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chuck,

Sorry, just saw this and have already voted. Honestly there's nothing that you 
could show me about either of the candidates that would surprise me at this 
point. They're both repugnant.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Check this out before you vote!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
> Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
> And the emails just keep coming!
> Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
> Chuck
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan 
>> to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I 
>> vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to 
>> be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and 
>>> openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his 
>>> foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long checker 
>>> history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business dealings but 
>>> anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and in full 
>>> disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>> 
>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this 
>>> year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused and 
>>> I believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  To 
>>> give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population 
>>> of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican and the 
>>> remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the Green 
>>> party and the write in option.  Voters have the option to write the name of 
>>> anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of picking one of the listed 
>>> options.  I know for example someone who is writing in Kermit The Frog.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does 
>>> not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a 
>>> complete gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but 
>>> like you Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order 
>>> to sleep at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so 
>>> I didn’t.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
>>>> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
>>>> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
>>>> right person as for Donny 
>>>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want 
>>>> to shoot myself.
>>>> 
>>>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>>>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> 
>>>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
>>>> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>>>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
>>>> that 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

It's all been interesting and thanks for replying to my question.  I'd love to 
talk about this some more but am thinking there will be another moderator's 
note asking us to close this topic.

On 5 Nov 2016, at 14:33, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, I went Gary Johnson but leaving it blank is another option.  You 
> probably also have Jill Stein as your green party option.  You might pick one 
> of them whom ever closest matches your beliefs.  Or, you could write in, I 
> hear Kermit needs the votes.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan 
>> to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I 
>> vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to 
>> be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and 
>>> openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his 
>>> foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long checker 
>>> history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business dealings but 
>>> anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and in full 
>>> disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>> 
>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this 
>>> year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused and 
>>> I believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  To 
>>> give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population 
>>> of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican and the 
>>> remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the Green 
>>> party and the write in option.  Voters have the option to write the name of 
>>> anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of picking one of the listed 
>>> options.  I know for example someone who is writing in Kermit The Frog.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does 
>>> not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a 
>>> complete gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but 
>>> like you Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order 
>>> to sleep at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so 
>>> I didn’t.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
>>>> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
>>>> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
>>>> right person as for Donny 
>>>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want 
>>>> to shoot myself.
>>>> 
>>>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>>>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> 
>>>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
>>>> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>>>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
>>>> that between priest and penitent. Th

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Donna Goodin]

Loll. I have to confess I did think about writing in Kermit. He clearly do 
better than any of the candidate choices. I went Gary Johnson to, but I confess 
I did so feeling very glad that he would not actually win.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, I went Gary Johnson but leaving it blank is another option.  You 
> probably also have Jill Stein as your green party option.  You might pick one 
> of them whom ever closest matches your beliefs.  Or, you could write in, I 
> hear Kermit needs the votes.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan 
>> to vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I 
>> vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to 
>> be registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and 
>>> openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his 
>>> foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long checker 
>>> history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business dealings but 
>>> anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and in full 
>>> disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>>> 
>>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro 
>>> choice viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this 
>>> year which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused and 
>>> I believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  To 
>>> give you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population 
>>> of the US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican and the 
>>> remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the Green 
>>> party and the write in option.  Voters have the option to write the name of 
>>> anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of picking one of the listed 
>>> options.  I know for example someone who is writing in Kermit The Frog.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does 
>>> not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a 
>>> complete gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but 
>>> like you Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order 
>>> to sleep at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so 
>>> I didn’t.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
>>>> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
>>>> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
>>>> right person as for Donny 
>>>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want 
>>>> to shoot myself.
>>>> 
>>>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>>>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> 
>>>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
>>>> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>>>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationshi

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Donna,
Check this out before you vote!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM=desktop
Make sure you all have your "big boy pants on" before clicking.
And the emails just keep coming!
Freedom brought us the apple lets not loose it now!
Chuck

On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan to 
> vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I 
> vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to be 
> registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and 
>> openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his 
>> foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long checker 
>> history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business dealings but 
>> anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and in full 
>> disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>> 
>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro choice 
>> viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this year 
>> which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused and I 
>> believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  To give 
>> you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population of the 
>> US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican and the remainder will 
>> vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the Green party and the write 
>> in option.  Voters have the option to write the name of anyone they wish on 
>> the ballot as well instead of picking one of the listed options.  I know for 
>> example someone who is writing in Kermit The Frog.
>> 
>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does 
>> not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a complete 
>> gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but like you 
>> Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order to sleep 
>> at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so I didn’t.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
>>> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
>>> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
>>> right person as for Donny 
>>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want 
>>> to shoot myself.
>>> 
>>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
>>> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
>>> that between priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I 
>>> have complete faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. 
>>> Sometimes just got to go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another 
>>> person know what you thinking.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a 
>>>> braille format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Hi Donna, I went Gary Johnson but leaving it blank is another option.  You 
probably also have Jill Stein as your green party option.  You might pick one 
of them whom ever closest matches your beliefs.  Or, you could write in, I hear 
Kermit needs the votes.


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan to 
> vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I 
> vote for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to be 
> registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
>> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
>> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
>> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and 
>> openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his 
>> foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long checker 
>> history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business dealings but 
>> anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and in full 
>> disclosure, I voted for neither option.
>> 
>> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
>> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
>> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
>> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro choice 
>> viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this year 
>> which is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused and I 
>> believe has historical connections to the communist workers party.  To give 
>> you an idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population of the 
>> US will vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican and the remainder will 
>> vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the Green party and the write 
>> in option.  Voters have the option to write the name of anyone they wish on 
>> the ballot as well instead of picking one of the listed options.  I know for 
>> example someone who is writing in Kermit The Frog.
>> 
>> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does 
>> not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a complete 
>> gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but like you 
>> Simon I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order to sleep 
>> at night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so I didn’t.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
>>> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
>>> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
>>> right person as for Donny 
>>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want 
>>> to shoot myself.
>>> 
>>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
>>> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
>>> that between priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I 
>>> have complete faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. 
>>> Sometimes just got to go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another 
>>> person know what you thinking.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a 
>>>> braille format?  Of course you can o

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

I hear that Phil.  That’s one reason we need a more consistent way of self 
voting.  After all it’s the actual corner stone of our democracy and we blind 
need direct access to it.

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I usually tend to vote for, "none of your damn business". It's the 
> American way. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
>> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
>> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
>> right person as for Donny 
>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want to 
>> shoot myself.
>> 
>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> 
>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
>> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
>> that between priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I 
>> have complete faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. 
>> Sometimes just got to go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another 
>> person know what you thinking.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a 
>>> braille format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a 
>>> local polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no 
>>> useful vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb 
>>> people's inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my 
>>> knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any replies.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>>>> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as polling 
>>>> places but that’s not a universal thing.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> O, Ok,
>>>>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy 
>>>>> insane political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Simon F
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@google

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Phil Halton]

Scott, I usually tend to vote for, "none of your damn business". It's the 
American way. 

Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
> right person as for Donny 
> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want to 
> shoot myself.
> 
> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
> male species  if he is actually a male!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
> 
> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
> that between priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I 
> have complete faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. 
> Sometimes just got to go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another 
> person know what you thinking.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a 
>> braille format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a 
>> local polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no 
>> useful vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb 
>> people's inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my 
>> knowledge.
>> 
>> Thanks for any replies.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>>> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as polling 
>>> places but that’s not a universal thing.
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> O, Ok,
>>>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>>>> 
>>>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>>>> 
>>>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy 
>>>> insane political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>>>> 
>>>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon F
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>>>>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>>>>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having said this, 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Donna Goodin]

I'm with you, Scott!  I'll be going to early vote this morning, and I plan to 
vote for None of the Above.  I can't vote for Donald Trump, but nor can I vote 
for Hilary.  Even though I know no one will notice, I want my vote to be 
registered as not supporting either of those two whack jobs.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country 
> you may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her 
> husband has a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named 
> Robert Bird from West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and 
> openly used the N Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his 
> foot steps.  So let’s not give her a pass either, she has a long checker 
> history not only of criminal behavior, pay to play business dealings but anti 
> black pro KKK dealings.  Both candidates are flawed and in full disclosure, I 
> voted for neither option.
> 
> To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
> sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best 
> described as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for 
> example we want small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro choice 
> viewpoints.  (just an example)  There is also the Green party this year which 
> is a very left leaning group heavily environmentally focused and I believe 
> has historical connections to the communist workers party.  To give you an 
> idea of the percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population of the US will 
> vote Democrat, about 45% will vote Republican and the remainder will vote 5 - 
> 8% Libertarian, the remainder will be the Green party and the write in 
> option.  Voters have the option to write the name of anyone they wish on the 
> ballot as well instead of picking one of the listed options.  I know for 
> example someone who is writing in Kermit The Frog.
> 
> Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does 
> not as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a complete 
> gun grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but like you Simon 
> I don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order to sleep at 
> night I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so I didn’t.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
>> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
>> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
>> right person as for Donny 
>> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want to 
>> shoot myself.
>> 
>> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
>> male species  if he is actually a male!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> 
>> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
>> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
>> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
>> that between priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I 
>> have complete faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. 
>> Sometimes just got to go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another 
>> person know what you thinking.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a 
>>> braille format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a 
>>> local polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no 
>>> useful vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb 
>>> people's inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my 
>>> knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any replies.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>>>> Sometimes they close the s

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

In my case Kawal I filed a mail in ballot.  I sent a request to my local court 
house and they mailed me a ballot where I voted by filling out the forms with a 
sited family member that I trust.  I then insert the ballot in to provided 
envelopes (an inner sealed envelope and outer shipping envelope) and place them 
in the mail or drop it off in person at my registrar of voters office which is 
in our local town hall.  I’m not sure your equivalent in the UK here but in the 
US each town has someone responsible called the Registrar of Voters.  They 
manage the election process for their own little area and are usually located 
with the town government in what we call our town hall.  Options for the blind 
differ between states and even towns.  Some have a template system, there are 
some braille ballots out there I hear, electronic options with TTS and as Phil 
mentioned appointed workers who are meant to assist.  These appointed members 
are equally distributed between the parties and polling places have members of 
each major party present.  We also have questions or things other than 
political office that people vote on.  In the state I’m registered in for 
example there are questions ranging from different education options (whether 
we want to fund charter schools) and we have a question on the legalization of 
marijuana for sale and consumption.  In the US right now several states are 
moving against the federal government and ignoring parts of the drug laws 
either providing Marijuana usage options for medical patients or out right 
legalizing marijuana for general use much like liquor or tobacco.  Five states 
are voting for total legalization, 4 states are voting for Medical use and 23 
states already allow medical usage and I believe 3 have total legalization.  
Other issues that can be voted on include different taxes, selling bonds to 
raise money for town or state projects, gay marriage was another issue states 
voted on before our Supreme court ruled and many other issues.  So, its not 
just political positions we vote for.

Hope that clears up things.  Just like we have many states we do things 
differently all over depending on what part of the country you’re in.


> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a braille 
> format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a local 
> polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no useful 
> vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb people's 
> inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my knowledge.
> 
> Thanks for any replies.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as polling 
>> places but that’s not a universal thing.
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> O, Ok, 
>>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>>> 
>>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>>> 
>>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>>  Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
>>> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>>> 
>>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>>> 
>>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Simon F
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> Importance: High
>>>> 
&

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Well, you can’t say Hilary isn’t racist either.  Being outside the country you 
may not know but she calls young black men Super predators and her husband has 
a long racist history.  Also,  Hilaries mentor was a guy named Robert Bird from 
West Virginia.  Robert Bird was a Klu Klux Klan member and openly used the N 
Bomb on US television while Hilary was following in his foot steps.  So let’s 
not give her a pass either, she has a long checker history not only of criminal 
behavior, pay to play business dealings but anti black pro KKK dealings.  Both 
candidates are flawed and in full disclosure, I voted for neither option.

To answer your question, yes there are 3rd party options but none have any 
sizable following.  The Libertarians of which I am a member are best described 
as economically conservative and socially liberal meaning for example we want 
small government but also support Gay Marriage or pro choice viewpoints.  (just 
an example)  There is also the Green party this year which is a very left 
leaning group heavily environmentally focused and I believe has historical 
connections to the communist workers party.  To give you an idea of the 
percentage breakdown, about 45% of the population of the US will vote Democrat, 
about 45% will vote Republican and the remainder will vote 5 - 8% Libertarian, 
the remainder will be the Green party and the write in option.  Voters have the 
option to write the name of anyone they wish on the ballot as well instead of 
picking one of the listed options.  I know for example someone who is writing 
in Kermit The Frog.

Personally, I know the candidate I voted for won’t win, I hope Hillary does not 
as I view her as more dangerous to the country over all being a complete gun 
grabbing criminal.  I do support Trump’s economic plan but like you Simon I 
don’t feel either candidate is a great option and in order to sleep at night I 
couldn’t in good conscience vote for either option, so I didn’t.


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum 
> are teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside 
> Hillary is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the 
> right person as for Donny 
> His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want to 
> shoot myself.
> 
> And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the 
> male species  if he is actually a male!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
> 
> I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to 
> me, and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the 
> reading machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as 
> that between priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I 
> have complete faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. 
> Sometimes just got to go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another 
> person know what you thinking.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a 
>> braille format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a 
>> local polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no 
>> useful vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb 
>> people's inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my 
>> knowledge.
>> 
>> Thanks for any replies.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>>> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as polling 
>>> places but that’s not a universal thing.
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> O, Ok,
>>>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>>>> 
>>>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>>>> 
>>>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegro

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Simon Fogarty]

SO who do you vote for when your choices are both untrustworthy lying scum are 
teere other unknown of parties that can be voted for?from the outside Hillary 
is the better of the 2 evils but even so I don't think she's the right person 
as for Donny 
His womanising sexist attitude and general racest ignorance makes me want to 
shoot myself.

And I don’t even live in that country but he's a bad representation of the male 
species  if he is actually a male!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to me, 
and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the reading 
machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as that between 
priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I have complete 
faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. Sometimes just got to 
go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another person know what you 
thinking.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a braille 
> format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a local 
> polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no useful 
> vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb people's 
> inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my knowledge.
> 
> Thanks for any replies.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as polling 
>> places but that’s not a universal thing.
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> O, Ok,
>>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>>> 
>>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>>> 
>>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>>  Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy 
>>> insane political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>>> 
>>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>>> 
>>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Simon F
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> Importance: High
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>>>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>>>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>>>> the following:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>>>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>>>> 
>>>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>>>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>>>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>>>> 
>>>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, j

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Phil Halton]

I get cited assistance from a poll worker. They take my ballot, read it to me, 
and Mark my selections for me, and then insert the ballot into the reading 
machine for me. I think of it as the same kind of relationship as that between 
priest and penitent. They don't judge me for my choices and I have complete 
faith that they are marking the selections I tell them. Sometimes just got to 
go on faith and don't be embarrassed to let another person know what you 
thinking.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a braille 
> format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a local 
> polling station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no useful 
> vision?  May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb people's 
> inboxes as it's nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my knowledge.
> 
> Thanks for any replies.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
>> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as polling 
>> places but that’s not a universal thing.
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> O, Ok, 
>>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>>> 
>>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>>> 
>>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>>  Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
>>> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>>> 
>>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>>> 
>>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Simon F
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> Importance: High
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>>>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>>>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>>>> the following:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>>>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>>>> 
>>>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>>>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>>>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>>>> 
>>>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
>>>> will see it.
>>>> 
>>>> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>>>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>>> 
>>>> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
>>>> right in my area but since he blocks me 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Those of you who vote, do you get templates on your ballot paper in a braille 
format?  Of course you can only have one of those if you go to a local polling 
station.  How do blind people vote in America if they have no useful vision?  
May be you can reply to me off list so as not to jamb people's inboxes as it's 
nothing to do with Macs etc.  This is for my knowledge.

Thanks for any replies.

Kawal.
> On 4 Nov 2016, at 17:29, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  
> Sometimes they close the schools because they may use schools as polling 
> places but that’s not a universal thing.
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> O, Ok, 
>> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
>> 
>> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
>> 
>> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> 
>>   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
>> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>> 
>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>> 
>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> Importance: High
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>>> 
>>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>>> the following:
>>> 
>>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>>> 
>>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>>> 
>>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
>>> will see it.
>>> 
>>> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
>>> right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
>>> everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.
>>> 
>>> Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me 
>>> off list.  Aside from Chris of course.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems to me you might try it this way.
>>> 
>>> If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
>>> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
>>> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, 
>>> NOT, be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
>>> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
>>> very basic to me.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

We don’t get election day as a holiday, things are pretty much open.  Sometimes 
they close the schools because they may use schools as polling places but 
that’s not a universal thing.

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> O, Ok, 
> You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.
> 
> Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?
> 
> It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
> 
>Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Could you clarify for me please?
>> 
>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>> 
>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>> 
>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>> the following:
>> 
>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>> 
>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>> 
>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
>> will see it.
>> 
>> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> 
>> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
>> right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
>> everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.
>> 
>> Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
>> list.  Aside from Chris of course.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems to me you might try it this way.
>> 
>>  If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
>> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
>> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, 
>> NOT, be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
>> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
>> very basic to me.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
>> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>> 
>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
>> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
>> reveal their gender.
>> 
>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
>> t

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Simon Fogarty]

O, Ok, 
You guys get all kinds of crazy holidays.

Waw really a holiday for electing a muppet in to a position of power?

It really doesn't matter which one wins, the worlds in danger

 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2016 3:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
>  Could you clarify for me please?
>
>  What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>
>  Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>
>  Cheers,
>
> Simon F
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
> Importance: High
>
> Hello All,
>
> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>
> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
> following:
>
> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>
> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
> world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, 
> they will be banned from the list.
>
> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
> see it.
>
> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mark
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>
> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
> right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
> everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.
>
> Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
> list.  Aside from Chris of course.
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Seems to me you might try it this way.
>
>   If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, 
> be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
> very basic to me.
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
> blind built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>
> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
> reveal their gender.
>
> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
> general.
>
> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
> the apps.
>
> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
> cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
> 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be 
> if they were on a wifi network. O

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, Thanks giving.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:48 AM
Subject: RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?


Hi Mark,

Could you clarify for me please?

What holiday season is it you are referring to?

Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?

Cheers,

Simon F

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
Importance: High

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.


Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
the following:


Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.


In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
behavior, they will be banned from the list.


I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
will see it.


To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.


Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.



On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, NOT, 
be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able 
to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t 
see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.


I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.


Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
general.


When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.


I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would 
be if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or 
don't understand, one of the two.


I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.


The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time 
they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, 
as they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.


I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, 
as they do have wifi calling enabled.


Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Yep, Thanks Giving is a big one here when we celebrate the native Americans 
helping us survive the winter and we thanked them by taking their land and 
running them in to the pacific.;)

The funny thing it’s a big deal where I am, Plymouth Rock is not far from where 
I’m sitting. The fake mayflower they have there isn’t bad either. I like the 
revolutionary war stuff better but the pilgrims story isn’t bad.  Could deal 
with out the Puritans and witch burnings but hey, LSD will push people over the 
edge which is what happened here.  The fungus growing on the wheat produces 
lysergic acid and well the good people of Salem were on a bad trip.;)

History is interesting.


> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> LOL, no kidding. Thanksgiving is also coming up.
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:15 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
>> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> 
>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>> 
>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>> 
>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> Importance: High
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>>> 
>>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>>> the following:
>>> 
>>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>>> 
>>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>>> 
>>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
>>> will see it.
>>> 
>>> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
>>> right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
>>> everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.
>>> 
>>> Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me 
>>> off list.  Aside from Chris of course.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems to me you might try it this way.
>>> 
>>> If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
>>> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
>>> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, 
>>> NOT, be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
>>> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
>>> very basic to me.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with f

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

LOL, no kidding. Thanksgiving is also coming up.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:15 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> 
> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Could you clarify for me please?
>> 
>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>> 
>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>> 
>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>> the following:
>> 
>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>> 
>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>> 
>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
>> will see it.
>> 
>> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> 
>> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
>> right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
>> everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.
>> 
>> Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
>> list.  Aside from Chris of course.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems to me you might try it this way.
>> 
>>  If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
>> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
>> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, 
>> NOT, be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
>> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
>> very basic to me.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
>> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>> 
>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
>> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
>> reveal their gender.
>> 
>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
>> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
>> general.
>> 
>> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
>> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
>> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
>> the apps.
>> 
>> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
>> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
>> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that whe

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[E.T.]

   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy 
insane political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mark,

 Could you clarify for me please?

 What holiday season is it you are referring to?

 Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?

 Cheers,

Simon F

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
Importance: High

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will conduct 
themselves in a gracious and kind manner.

Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
following:

Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.

In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, they 
will be banned from the list.

I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
see it.

To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.

I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.

Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.

When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.

I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.

I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.

The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.

I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.

Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput 

RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Could you clarify for me please?

 What holiday season is it you are referring to?

 Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?

 Cheers,

Simon F

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
Importance: High

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will conduct 
themselves in a gracious and kind manner.

Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
following:

Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.

In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, they 
will be banned from the list.

I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
see it.

To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.  

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Guys,
 
I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
 
I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.
 
Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.
 
When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.
 
I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.
 
I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.
 
The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
 
I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.
 
Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
 
I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that doesn't 
mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and there. The 
only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi netwo

MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will conduct 
themselves in a gracious and kind manner.

Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
following:

Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.

In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, they 
will be banned from the list.

I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
see it.

To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.  

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Guys,
 
I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
 
I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.
 
Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.
 
When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.
 
I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.
 
I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.
 
The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
 
I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.
 
Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
 
I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that doesn't 
mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and there. The 
only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at which point, it 
falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on  a wifi network, 
it would not use their 6GB data plan.
 
Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
 
Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.
 
They told me that they called