Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-19 Thread Anders holmberg
Hi. Then it might be the screen protector on my iPhone that causes that issue. 
18 sep. 2020 kl. 20:11 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
>> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
>> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
>> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
>> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
>> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a 
>> small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
>> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
>> there since the data came out.
>> 
 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>>> a later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread Mary Otten
There is some kind of feature in iOS 14 which will speed up having the “use 
passcode“, if you’re on a phone that has only Face ID. So there is not going to 
be touch ID on the iPhone 12 I am extremely sure. They put this new feature in 
14 to try to help with the mask situation.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:23 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well I hope the 12 has a Touch ID as I can’t use Face ID when I have to use 
> a mask.  I bet Apple will put it on there and there excuse will be due to 
> wearing masks.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
>>> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
>>> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
>>> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
>>> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
>>> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is 
>>> a small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
>>> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
>>> there since the data came out.
>>> 
 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
 
 Hello Family,
 
 1.
 I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
 
 Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
 However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
 scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
 crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
 all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
 forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
 setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing 
 so
 did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
 
 2.
 I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
 descriptions were set to off, by default.
 
 3.
 My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
 market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
 installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
 phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after 
 hearing
 from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
 slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
 planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
 ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
 iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
 for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back 
 on
 a later model.
 
 4.
 Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
 sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
 similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
 implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
 off.  Just have to wait and see.
 
 5.
 I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
 talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
 If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
 
 I hope you are all doing well.
 
 Mark
 
 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
Well I hope the 12 has a Touch ID as I can’t use Face ID when I have to use a 
mask.  I bet Apple will put it on there and there excuse will be due to wearing 
masks.

Kawal.

> On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
>> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
>> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
>> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
>> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
>> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a 
>> small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
>> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
>> there since the data came out.
>> 
>>> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>>> a later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi Anders,

I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
Best,
Donna


> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a 
> small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
> there since the data came out.
> 
>> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
>> 
>> Hello Family,
>> 
>> 1.
>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>> 
>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>> 
>> 2.
>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>> 
>> 3.
>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>> a later model.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>> 
>> I hope you are all doing well.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread Anders holmberg
Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom meeting 
depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am curious about 
is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with Siri voices? Not 
much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard is quite sluggish so 
I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really don't like as they are 
having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a small crack sometimes 
when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any problems with The new 
update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been there since the data came 
out.

> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Family,
> 
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> 
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
> 
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> 
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
> a later model.
> 
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
> off.  Just have to wait and see.
> 
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi Mark,

I agree with you about the image descriptions. On one hand it's kind of cool 
that Foiceover can offer them, but they really do get distracting in my 
opinion. FWIW, when I installed 14 on my iPhone 11, image descriptions 
defaulted to on. Go figure. :)
Cheers,
Donna
P.S. I hope you're right about the 12 having a touch sensor. I almost bought an 
SE for that very reason, but was worried that it wouldn't have a good upgrade 
path, so decided to hold out.



> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:01 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Family,
> 
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> 
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
> 
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> 
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
> a later model.
> 
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
> off.  Just have to wait and see.
> 
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Family,

1.
I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.

Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.

2.
I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
descriptions were set to off, by default.

3.
My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
a later model.

4.
Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
off.  Just have to wait and see.

5.
I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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